Great video. I’d love to see more vids with Tom as he seems to be quite innovative and has invaluable experience! Thx for sharing some great ideas. I’d love to hear a discussion with the two of you guys specifically on glues for veneering. I recently watch a vid from a guy in the NH Guild of woodworkers, who talked all about hide glue. Love to hear Tom’s perspective on this and what his favorite methods are. Thx.
I have a veneer chest. It looks like something got wet underneath where the mirror sat. I wonder if I sprayed it with water and followed the rest of the video with the hot plate and something on top, minded flatten out? It is a little wavy but it is not torn or cracked. It probably will be painted but I would like to get it flat because I plan to sell it thank you for any help 11:52
I had very small pieces of veneer I wanted to get flat, so I thinking how to apply this technique "in miniature", I decided to use my hair straightening irons in place of aluminium sheets - and I'm pleased to report it worked really well! (Just out of interest - why an hour in the oven for the aluminium sheets? Surely they would reach the set temperature in much less time?)
It is great to know that a hair straightening iron will work for flattening small pieces of veneer. With that much mass of aluminum we leave it in for an hour just to be on the safe side.
This is great method! I can't wait to give it a try...such simple magic! Thanks Charlie and Tom for sharing... Also, I have tried the StopLossBags and they really do work! cheers, mark Laub
I just completed a video that shows How to Flatten Veneer using hot aluminum plates. This is an amazing technique! I am really impressed by how well it works. My friend Tom Schrunk showed me this technique and he was nice enough to participate in the video with me. This the first serious TH-cam video that I have uploaded in the last few years. I tried some new things in this video and it would really help me to know what you think of them so please let me know what you think. Thanks! Charlie
Hi Andy, I let the stack of plates and veneer sit for several hours and it was completely cooled off by then. The closed captioning is done right through the Video Manager in TH-cam. Once in video manager click on the Edit button and there should be an option for "Subtitles and CC" Yes, I noticed the subtitles blocked some of my text. At least you can turn them off. Thanks! Charlie
John David Castle Veneer, especially figured veneer, will always move over time. It may not warp as badly as it was beforehand, but it is best to use it shortly after flattening.
Any chance the water vould have a reaction with the aluminum and impart some kind of staining on the veneer? I think I'd idolate the veneer from rhe aluminum wirh sheets of brown oaper, and I'd also spritz both sides of the veneer. Nice technique. Have you since verified the 5052 alloy spec?
Thats pretty amazing. ive never worked with veneer but after watching this I think I want to..lol and ill give it a try on my next cabinet build. thanks for sharing! Good stuff
Thanks for the good education. Luckily you showed me the oven display. Else i wouldnt have known whether its degrees centigrade or fahrenheid. I would have guessed, but i wasnt sure. Not sure what happens at 450 centigrade...
sorry, it didn't put in the pasted image--the alloys are 2024, 3003, 5052, 5083/5086, 6061, 7075, 7050 and Tool and Jig aluminum sheet/plate. Please help! Also, any advised revisions if trying to flatten AND DRY veneer that was dyed in H20? Thank you!
HI Evan, I am not an expert on aluminum alloys, but I suspect that any of them are safe up to at least 600 degrees and probably much more. The stuff I used was just the least expensive aluminum plate that the vendor happened to have. I found a chart on line with melting points of various different metals: www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html As far as veneer that was colored with water based dye, I would say to test the particular veneer that you are working with. Maybe try veneer softener sold by Joe Woodworker and others. It might be fine with the hot plate method, too.
Wow, that was a fast reply! I will try going with the cheper version... hope it doesn't go Chernobyl on me :-)I do have some of the veneer solution from Joe Woodworking already--so I may use that in the future.
I appreciate the video, it finally resolved a big problem for me. I'm about to download Woody Hyezmar's Bible, the net is roaring with rave reviews, but who knows until I google it?
I often use an iron to flatten veneer that isn't too wavy. This particular veneer was very wavy and stiff. I tried using an iron, but it only worked about halfway across the sheets before they started to deform. I would suggest testing with an iron and if works then you're good to go. If it doesn't then you could try flattening with a chemical veneer softener, or you could flatten it with the hot plate method.
Great video. I’d love to see more vids with Tom as he seems to be quite innovative and has invaluable experience! Thx for sharing some great ideas. I’d love to hear a discussion with the two of you guys specifically on glues for veneering. I recently watch a vid from a guy in the NH Guild of woodworkers, who talked all about hide glue. Love to hear Tom’s perspective on this and what his favorite methods are. Thx.
Tom is a real gem and he knows a LOT about veneering! He occasionally teaches at Marc Adams School of Woodworking.
I have a veneer chest. It looks like something got wet underneath where the mirror sat. I wonder if I sprayed it with water and followed the rest of the video with the hot plate and something on top, minded flatten out? It is a little wavy but it is not torn or cracked. It probably will be painted but I would like to get it flat because I plan to sell it thank you for any help 11:52
That worked really well and is a lot less messy than some alternatives. Defiantly giving this a try! Thanks for sharing this Jack (and Tom)!
ThisWoodwork Thanks Alex!
That really is a cool technique!
That's really slick!
Cool video Charley!
Zach Jeffrey Thanks Zach!
Super helpful! Thank you so much!!!
Thanks! I'm glad it was helpful to you!
Thanks Matt!
Many thanks for that tip , it's much appreciated :)
Thank You!
I had very small pieces of veneer I wanted to get flat, so I thinking how to apply this technique "in miniature", I decided to use my hair straightening irons in place of aluminium sheets - and I'm pleased to report it worked really well! (Just out of interest - why an hour in the oven for the aluminium sheets? Surely they would reach the set temperature in much less time?)
It is great to know that a hair straightening iron will work for flattening small pieces of veneer. With that much mass of aluminum we leave it in for an hour just to be on the safe side.
This is great method! I can't wait to give it a try...such simple magic!
Thanks Charlie and Tom for sharing...
Also, I have tried the StopLossBags and they really do work!
cheers, mark Laub
Mark Laub Thanks Mark, and yes the Stop Loss Bags will really save your finishes!
I just completed a video that shows How to Flatten Veneer using hot aluminum plates. This is an amazing technique! I am really impressed by how well it works.
My friend Tom Schrunk showed me this technique and he was nice enough to participate in the video with me.
This the first serious TH-cam video that I have uploaded in the last few years. I tried some new things in this video and it would really help me to know what you think of them so please let me know what you think.
Thanks!
Charlie
Hi Andy,
I let the stack of plates and veneer sit for several hours and it was completely cooled off by then.
The closed captioning is done right through the Video Manager in TH-cam. Once in video manager click on the Edit button and there should be an option for "Subtitles and CC"
Yes, I noticed the subtitles blocked some of my text. At least you can turn them off.
Thanks!
Charlie
nice!
Great Video, how long will the veneer maintain its flatness after pressing, thanks for the info
John David Castle Veneer, especially figured veneer, will always move over time. It may not warp as badly as it was beforehand, but it is best to use it shortly after flattening.
How long depends on the veneer and ambient conditions. I would expect it to stay flat for at least a week or two, probably longer.
AH! Many thanks for the swift reply, got my plates ready
Hi Evan!! the aluminum plates that he use are 5052 alloy, they are not to light but not to heavy.
Thanks! I actually didn't know that. Tom just went to the supply house and bought a sheet of "aluminum"
Any chance the water vould have a reaction with the aluminum and impart some kind of staining on the veneer? I think I'd idolate the veneer from rhe aluminum wirh sheets of brown oaper, and I'd also spritz both sides of the veneer. Nice technique.
Have you since verified the 5052 alloy spec?
Thats pretty amazing. ive never worked with veneer but after watching this I think I want to..lol and ill give it a try on my next cabinet build.
thanks for sharing!
Good stuff
Joe Walters Go for it, Joe. Veneering can be a lot of fun.
Thanks!
Charlie
That is awesome!
Thanks Wesley!
Thank you!
+The First Thoughtt I am so glad that you like the video!
Thanks for the good education.
Luckily you showed me the oven display. Else i wouldnt have known whether its degrees centigrade or fahrenheid. I would have guessed, but i wasnt sure. Not sure what happens at 450 centigrade...
I think the veneer would get pretty dried out at 450 centigrade!!
sorry, it didn't put in the pasted image--the alloys are 2024, 3003, 5052, 5083/5086, 6061, 7075, 7050 and Tool and Jig aluminum sheet/plate. Please help!
Also, any advised revisions if trying to flatten AND DRY veneer that was dyed in H20?
Thank you!
HI Evan, I am not an expert on aluminum alloys, but I suspect that any of them are safe up to at least 600 degrees and probably much more. The stuff I used was just the least expensive aluminum plate that the vendor happened to have. I found a chart on line with melting points of various different metals: www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html
As far as veneer that was colored with water based dye, I would say to test the particular veneer that you are working with. Maybe try veneer softener sold by Joe Woodworker and others. It might be fine with the hot plate method, too.
Wow, that was a fast reply! I will try going with the cheper version... hope it doesn't go Chernobyl on me :-)I do have some of the veneer solution from Joe Woodworking already--so I may use that in the future.
I appreciate the video, it finally resolved a big problem for me. I'm about to download Woody Hyezmar's Bible, the net is roaring with rave reviews, but who knows until I google it?
how about i just take an iron to it?
I often use an iron to flatten veneer that isn't too wavy. This particular veneer was very wavy and stiff. I tried using an iron, but it only worked about halfway across the sheets before they started to deform. I would suggest testing with an iron and if works then you're good to go. If it doesn't then you could try flattening with a chemical veneer softener, or you could flatten it with the hot plate method.
@@JackbenchWoodworking ah ok, thanks.
@@JackbenchWoodworkingI'll try this first to iron it. On second thought maybe I should wait to hear from you.❤
it must have been a real workout to cut the sheet into sections, the supply house should have done it in no time with a shear for a few bucks
Thanks Sam, I agree! It probably would have been worth it to have the supply house cut it up.