You really should highlight the need to use 'floating ring' 1/4" to 1/8" cables when using a DC coupled interface. I know people who have damaged their expensive interface. I don't have Push, so I just bring my audio in on a simple Live Audio track. You don't need to use an 'external instrument device'.
I could really do with some help and thought my experience might help others. This video was a huge help to me and started me off on a path of solutions. So thank you for that. I followed the instructions to a T and I didn't have any luck. I'm using an RME Babyface pro and using the stereo out mini headphone output 3/4. I got all the routing correct as well as the levels. I tested it by plugging the same output into a Korg Volca Sample. It jumped around all over the place until I turned down the volume but then it worked fine. I plugged it back into the DFAM but it refused to play. I used a Moog mono patch cable. Then I had a bit of a brain wave. I synced the Volca to Ableton live via the Midi out that's on the RME Babyface Pro and then patched the sync out of the Volca into the DFAM and it worked! I have to start the DFAM on the 1st step and it takes one cycle of 8 to kick in but it is synced. Sometimes the DFAM keeps playing when I press stop in Ableton but as long as I hit play in Ableton on step 8 it seems to lock again. One thing I have noticed is when I'm using the ADV / Clock input on the DFAM I get an extra click sound. It's only very apparent when I have a short VCA decay. Has anyone else noticed the same thing?
So after a bit more experimenting the Volca obviously sends out a continuous sync signal rather than starting and stopping with Ableton playback. I'm a hardware noob. What are the correct terms for this type of sync?
Can't do it from your interface if it doesn't have a dc coupled output like Focusrite. You'll have to use a midi/cv converter. But if you have a USB clocked synth, you can get the cv from there for clocking purposes
would have been nice to see the potentially recorded waveform in order to check the sync. I guess the waveform will have its delay which has to be corrected. (same as you record a tr-8s or digitakt)
Excellent. This works beautifully for me first time and only took a few minutes to set up. Much appreciated. Thanks kindly! So glad I finally switched to Ableton. Can you please make a how-to going the other direction with the CV Clock In device in the Ableton CV Tools pack?
All of these questions, and no help from Moog (on any of their you tube tutorials). How about hiring someone to assist with social media? A little customer service would be appreciated.
It seems that when using CV tools with the DFAM and Apollo Twin, the clock is dramatically triggered once reaching a certain frequency threshold. If the volume increases beyond 30% the clock is disrupted and triggered uncontrollably. Any ideas for a solution ??
I figured this out! The issue I have is I'm using the wrong cable to connect them. The good news its only like $6 from Perfect Circuit. You need a 1/4" TRS to 3.5mm TS cable. I was using a TRS 3.5mm and the 'R' of the TRS was causing the issue. Some people refer to this as a mono cable, but its really just an unbalanced connection. You need a Floating Ring cable.. (the R in TRS) to get that ticking to go away. Hope that helps!
When I plug my 3.5 mm jack into the adv. clock, press run/stop on the DFAM, and then press play on Ableton, the DFAM doesn't start. I only hear clicking from the Ableton CV Clock out Plug-in. Has anyone else experienced this? Any help?
The first step would be to confirm you're using an audio interface with DC-coupled outputs, and then check to make sure the cable is correct. You want to use a cable with a floating ring, so it should be TRS 1/4" on the interface side, and TS 3.5mm on the DFAM side. If this doesn't solve your problem. Please contact our service department at techsupport@moogmusic.com
Moog Music Inc I’m sure Ableton documents this but it might have been nice to include that in the video. DC coupled audio interfaces aren’t ubiquitous.
to sync your DFAM only, you don't need a DC coupled audio interface. i already tested it with the Clock Out plugin. but all he CV related tools to control pitch will not work. syncing the DFAM without the Clock Out plugin of the CV Tools should work too, but it's a bit more complicated, because it requires a second audiotrack that must send out triggers. commonly generated by a rim shot, bass drum or what ever. luckily i own a Mother 32 too that has Midi in. so i don't need these CV Tools^^
@@MoogSynthesizers hey friends! lovely videos!!! please note that for all clocking duties of cv tools no special sound card is required, trigger signals will work with any off the shelf soundcard.
I am using a Presonus 24C and all I hear is clicking coming form the left speaker. The DFAM never advances. Also the audio is really really soft coming out of the DFAM.
You would need to use a device that can convert midi to an analog clock signal like the doepfer msy2. You could also use a midi to cv/gate converter, then you can use the gate channel to trigger the step sequencer on DFAM.
@@MoogSynthesizers Thanks for responding so fast! It seems odd that the Mother32 has a midi in port but none of the others in the series do tbh guys. It's such a mess having to use converters for basic midi clock sync.
The Mother-32 and Subharmonicon both feature MIDI, the DFAM is fully analog and has no digital components, therefore uses analog clock sync like many other modular sequencers.
I use Presonus Studio 28/24. The synchronization works only at low level. If I turn up the volume control on the DFAM more than 30%, only crackling noises and all LEDs flash wildly. I have tried several settings in Ableton. Unfortunately without result ... Does anyone have a solution?
I am having the same issue with my DFAM & Apollo Twin.. It seems that once the frequency reaches a certain threshold the clock is dramatically increased. I have also found that keeping my volume control roughly at 30% has been a temporary solution, although it is still frustrating. Any ideas for a solution moog??
I had exactly this same issue with my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and it turns out I had my hardware mix set up incorrectly, sending the stereo mix into the CV clock channel.
@@hexial Hy alx_files, question; you wanna say - you corrected it with mono out Channel, with 1/4 to 3.5mm TS Cable ?! thanks for your answer in advance.
Hi! I did it and everything works fine now! But I tried to record the DFAM and it wasn't possible....how can record it? Should I create an audio channel and put the audio to DFAM midi channel to the new audio channel?
You'll need a midi/cv converter like this: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DarkLinkBun--doepfer-dark-link-usb-midi-to-cv-gate-interface?mrkgadid=3341927569&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=studio&recording&&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700046934908091&lid=92700046934908091&ds_s_kwgid=58700005283400378&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=373165019894&product_id=DarkLinkBun&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=m&network=g&matchtype=&locationid=9057153&creative=353482679457&targetid=aud-572640271088:pla-373165019894&campaignid=2004943121&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhLGr1cqy7QIV1BmtBh29xATxEAQYASABEgJ6EfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds but if you have a semi modular synth that's clocked to your daw through USB, you can get cv clock source from there
with arturia keystep ( for example ) its easy. from interface midi out into midi in of keystep. and then sync out from keystep into " PLAY" input of DFAM or SUbharmonicum and go!
what they don't mention here is that you have to manually advance the DFAM to the 8th step after EVERY TIME you hit stop in order for it to start at the beginning of the bar. And you also have to pull the patch EVERY TIME because the ADVANCE button doesn't work when the patch is in. It's a very inelegant and inefficient method and very disingenuous of Moog to omit that fact in this video. It's unforgivable that they don't have a better method for sync than this. Never buying a Moog product again. Great sound, but they're stuck in the 1970s when it comes to designing workflow. They also give you the stupidest, cheapest, crappiest power supply they could find.
OK. Maybe "unusable" and "unforgivable" were a bit strong. The sequencer is extremely primitive, and the lack of any convenient workflow functionality makes it a drag to try to use it in conjunction with anything else. But I want to back down from my angry rant. The DFAM sounds fantastic, and the knobs and patching make cool things happen. That's what this thing is about. I dislike the sequencer, so I don't use it.
Just perfect. Imagine hooking up an elegant Eurorack setup with the DFAM to this stuff, minds will be blown.
You can also do it easily via midi :)
this is great thank you! FYI to anyone else not being able to get this working: what worked for me was turning up the Amp % on the CV clock out
You really should highlight the need to use 'floating ring' 1/4" to 1/8" cables when using a DC coupled interface. I know people who have damaged their expensive interface.
I don't have Push, so I just bring my audio in on a simple Live Audio track. You don't need to use an 'external instrument device'.
Hey! I am a newbie in music production, quick question, is a "floating ring" cable a 1/4" TRS on one side and a 3.5mm TS on the other side?
I could really do with some help and thought my experience might help others.
This video was a huge help to me and started me off on a path of solutions. So thank you for that.
I followed the instructions to a T and I didn't have any luck. I'm using an RME Babyface pro and using the stereo out mini headphone output 3/4. I got all the routing correct as well as the levels. I tested it by plugging the same output into a Korg Volca Sample. It jumped around all over the place until I turned down the volume but then it worked fine. I plugged it back into the DFAM but it refused to play. I used a Moog mono patch cable.
Then I had a bit of a brain wave. I synced the Volca to Ableton live via the Midi out that's on the RME Babyface Pro and then patched the sync out of the Volca into the DFAM and it worked! I have to start the DFAM on the 1st step and it takes one cycle of 8 to kick in but it is synced.
Sometimes the DFAM keeps playing when I press stop in Ableton but as long as I hit play in Ableton on step 8 it seems to lock again.
One thing I have noticed is when I'm using the ADV / Clock input on the DFAM I get an extra click sound. It's only very apparent when I have a short VCA decay. Has anyone else noticed the same thing?
So after a bit more experimenting the Volca obviously sends out a continuous sync signal rather than starting and stopping with Ableton playback. I'm a hardware noob. What are the correct terms for this type of sync?
@@hughfasher8070 bullshit from Moog the correct term... very difficult for beginners
Can't do it from your interface if it doesn't have a dc coupled output like Focusrite. You'll have to use a midi/cv converter. But if you have a USB clocked synth, you can get the cv from there for clocking purposes
I don't understand where the minijack comes from ? where to connect it ?
It comes from the audio output. The audio interface must be in order to control the voltage level ("DC-coupled")
would have been nice to see the potentially recorded waveform in order to check the sync. I guess the waveform will have its delay which has to be corrected. (same as you record a tr-8s or digitakt)
Excellent and straight forward video - really helped me to get my DFAM synched with my computer.
Doesn't work. I only can hear the clock in the midi channel. The sequence on the DFAM doesn't start when I plug in the cable and launch Live.
Excellent. This works beautifully for me first time and only took a few minutes to set up. Much appreciated. Thanks kindly! So glad I finally switched to Ableton. Can you please make a how-to going the other direction with the CV Clock In device in the Ableton CV Tools pack?
All of these questions, and no help from Moog (on any of their you tube tutorials). How about hiring someone to assist with social media? A little customer service would be appreciated.
Also, what level should the line output be set to volume-wise so as not to damage the equipment?
Set the output volume around 1 O'clock.
I've been trying this exact setup with my subharmonicon but it won't link. Any tips?
It seems that when using CV tools with the DFAM and Apollo Twin, the clock is dramatically triggered once reaching a certain frequency threshold. If the volume increases beyond 30% the clock is disrupted and triggered uncontrollably. Any ideas for a solution ??
does this work with the volt 476P?
Does the Mother 32 have this ability to receive clock pulse from ableton?
This works great, thanks for the tip!
Hey guys. How to remove (mute) the audible pulse sound when clocking DFAM? :) thanks!
Having the same issue here. Doesn't matter what channel i send the CV out, it ends up bleeding into the DFAM audio Output.
I figured this out! The issue I have is I'm using the wrong cable to connect them. The good news its only like $6 from Perfect Circuit. You need a 1/4" TRS to 3.5mm TS cable. I was using a TRS 3.5mm and the 'R' of the TRS was causing the issue. Some people refer to this as a mono cable, but its really just an unbalanced connection. You need a Floating Ring cable.. (the R in TRS) to get that ticking to go away. Hope that helps!
I see that the 3.5mm end is a TS, what does the 1/4” side need to be? Would it have to be a TRS since it’s a balanced output?
In the Moog manual they explicitly say you need TS.
Has anyone tryed this with the » Universal Audio Volt 476 « ?
I'm not able to make link them :/
help!
When I plug my 3.5 mm jack into the adv. clock, press run/stop on the DFAM, and then press play on Ableton, the DFAM doesn't start. I only hear clicking from the Ableton CV Clock out Plug-in. Has anyone else experienced this? Any help?
The first step would be to confirm you're using an audio interface with DC-coupled outputs, and then check to make sure the cable is correct. You want to use a cable with a floating ring, so it should be TRS 1/4" on the interface side, and TS 3.5mm on the DFAM side. If this doesn't solve your problem. Please contact our service department at techsupport@moogmusic.com
Moog Music Inc perfect. Just ordered some floating ring cables. Thanks!
Do you need a DC coupled audio interface for this? Typically you do for CV.
Yes, you would need a DC Coupled Audio Interface to interact with Ableton CV Tools.
Moog Music Inc I’m sure Ableton documents this but it might have been nice to include that in the video. DC coupled audio interfaces aren’t ubiquitous.
to sync your DFAM only, you don't need a DC coupled audio interface. i already tested it with the Clock Out plugin. but all he CV related tools to control pitch will not work.
syncing the DFAM without the Clock Out plugin of the CV Tools should work too, but it's a bit more complicated, because it requires a second audiotrack that must send out triggers. commonly generated by a rim shot, bass drum or what ever. luckily i own a Mother 32 too that has Midi in. so i don't need these CV Tools^^
@@MoogSynthesizers no you don't need a DC Coupled Interface if you're just sending clock. Any audio interface with a line out will do.
@@MoogSynthesizers hey friends! lovely videos!!! please note that for all clocking duties of cv tools no special sound card is required, trigger signals will work with any off the shelf soundcard.
Hey folks, any chance you could share what cameras you used to film this?
I am using a Presonus 24C and all I hear is clicking coming form the left speaker.
The DFAM never advances. Also the audio is really really soft coming out of the DFAM.
How do I sync my DFAM to Protools?
How would I sync the DFAM to the Elektron Digitakt without using a computer?
You would need to use a device that can convert midi to an analog clock signal like the doepfer msy2. You could also use a midi to cv/gate converter, then you can use the gate channel to trigger the step sequencer on DFAM.
@@MoogSynthesizers Thanks for responding so fast! It seems odd that the Mother32 has a midi in port but none of the others in the series do tbh guys. It's such a mess having to use converters for basic midi clock sync.
The Mother-32 and Subharmonicon both feature MIDI, the DFAM is fully analog and has no digital components, therefore uses analog clock sync like many other modular sequencers.
I use Presonus Studio 28/24. The synchronization works only at low level. If I turn up the volume control on the DFAM more than 30%, only crackling noises and all LEDs flash wildly. I have tried several settings in Ableton. Unfortunately without result ...
Does anyone have a solution?
I am having the same issue with my DFAM & Apollo Twin.. It seems that once the frequency reaches a certain threshold the clock is dramatically increased. I have also found that keeping my volume control roughly at 30% has been a temporary solution, although it is still frustrating. Any ideas for a solution moog??
I had exactly this same issue with my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and it turns out I had my hardware mix set up incorrectly, sending the stereo mix into the CV clock channel.
@@hexial Hy alx_files, question; you wanna say - you corrected it with mono out Channel, with 1/4 to 3.5mm TS Cable ?! thanks for your answer in advance.
Do a video using the Grandmother arp clock
Hi! I did it and everything works fine now! But I tried to record the DFAM and it wasn't possible....how can record it? Should I create an audio channel and put the audio to DFAM midi channel to the new audio channel?
Yes, that would be the easiest way to do so.
Does not work with my DFAM and a Focusrite 6i6 … Where is the trick ?
You'll need a midi/cv converter like this: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DarkLinkBun--doepfer-dark-link-usb-midi-to-cv-gate-interface?mrkgadid=3341927569&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=studio&recording&&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700046934908091&lid=92700046934908091&ds_s_kwgid=58700005283400378&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=373165019894&product_id=DarkLinkBun&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=m&network=g&matchtype=&locationid=9057153&creative=353482679457&targetid=aud-572640271088:pla-373165019894&campaignid=2004943121&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhLGr1cqy7QIV1BmtBh29xATxEAQYASABEgJ6EfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds but if you have a semi modular synth that's clocked to your daw through USB, you can get cv clock source from there
Very nice groove!
If my dfam is out of time say by one or two beats, how would I get that back in a live performance?
I think ... never ... the DFAM step thing is pretty limited.
Anyone know who if this process works with a keystep?
yes, easy. 1. from interface midi out into midi in of keystep. 2. sync out keystep into " play" input of DFAM or subharmonicum
How would you connect the Moog semi modular trio to Ableton? Would you need an audio interface with more ins/outs? What would the process be?
just have clock in one of them and chain the rest no?
Thx bro!!!!
damn.. the 1/4 to 1/8 cable thing...., will have to purchase from somewhere.
but thanx cool vid
with arturia keystep ( for example ) its easy. from interface midi out into midi in of keystep. and then sync out from keystep into " PLAY" input of DFAM or SUbharmonicum and go!
what they don't mention here is that you have to manually advance the DFAM to the 8th step after EVERY TIME you hit stop in order for it to start at the beginning of the bar. And you also have to pull the patch EVERY TIME because the ADVANCE button doesn't work when the patch is in. It's a very inelegant and inefficient method and very disingenuous of Moog to omit that fact in this video. It's unforgivable that they don't have a better method for sync than this. Never buying a Moog product again. Great sound, but they're stuck in the 1970s when it comes to designing workflow. They also give you the stupidest, cheapest, crappiest power supply they could find.
Correction: you don't have to pull the patch to advance the steps. You can hit RUN/STOP and then the ADVANCE button works. Still incredibly lame.
No way for the sequencer to be anything other than 8 steps. No sequence reset. Sequencer is basically unusable in a modern setting.
OK. Maybe "unusable" and "unforgivable" were a bit strong. The sequencer is extremely primitive, and the lack of any convenient workflow functionality makes it a drag to try to use it in conjunction with anything else. But I want to back down from my angry rant. The DFAM sounds fantastic, and the knobs and patching make cool things happen. That's what this thing is about. I dislike the sequencer, so I don't use it.