A few notes on this, now that you've had your first brush with Football Manager's AI. The AI is notorious for annihilating nonsensical approaches to the game. To compensate for this, it takes a very lenient approach to your tactics, choosing to interpret them in the most consistent way possible. Kofie's ALL LEFT formation was likely played by the game as a variation of a central left-wing 3-4-3 formation, just biased to left. This is why Kofie consistently scored in his Chaos games, but was blown out more and more as the season went along. Teams just figured him out, and the Premier League is the toughest league in the world, in-game. If you get figured out, you'll suffer pastings as the game ruthlessly explores your vulnerabilities. The less said about Jon's CAVEMEN the best. As you have no doubt realized, the game is hard-coded to PUNISH people trying nonsense like that. On a funnier note, his team still didn't beat the all-time record for a game between competitive football teams (for National Teams, this would be the infamous Australia 31-0 Australian Samoa, back when Australia still qualified to the World Cup from the Oceania brackets. For world top leagues it's an infamous 149-0 protest match in the Madagascar top flight, which is a Secret Base story in and of itself.). Unlike very early editions of FM and predecessors, the game KNOWS you're running no defense and will appropriately murder you for it. Also funnily, no offense, aka no striker formations, ARE possible and even pretty successful with the right setups, both in-game and in real life. Kofie's Box-and-1 was (and this may surprise you, Kofie) not a terrible idea. The only issue is Kofie set the defensive line as Defensive Midfielders, which, essentially, meant he was playing a softer variant of Jon's CAVEMEN. The game visibly attempted to compensate for this, even throwing in a good game, by shunting the DMs into more defensive roles, but ultimately, it still would punish you in counterattacks and pass into space motions. This is why you had a bunch of high scoring games, with an offensive tactic that dominated the center, but once teams found you out, it became shootouts, which you lost for reasons I will elaborate on later. Kim's two tactics were interesting choices coming from an expert. Utopia's tactic is and was a very common tactic with struggling teams in the real-life Premier League, earning the infamous moniker of Route One Football. It is designed for slow methodical games, where the defense stifles the opponent's offensive production and launches balls to a Slow Tall Forward (aka a Turret) who grabs the ball and disposes of the backmost defenders to score on the counter. It also lends itself well to set pieces, as Slow Tall Forwards dominate the box. It's also colloquially known as the Crouch tactic, over famous forward Peter Crouch, tall and terrifying in such team tactics. Route One is more of a "staying alive" tactic, which is why it often produces boor 0-0 draws. That's what it's made for. I dislike this tactic, though I see its merits, as more often than not, it won't wield wins if you desperately need them. Chaos is the much more expressive 4-1-1-4 DM Wide, a tactic designed to move the ball fluidly to the forward lines quickly and effectively, and create lots of chances from the wings, with crucial flank changes. Of all the tactics presented, this is one I actually play with at times in my teams, though it's definitely more suited to top leagues, as the results show. It's the kind of formation that skilled teams play when gifted with technical flair players, and has been spotted in many a strong Spanish, British, French and German sides with up-and-coming teams. Given Chaos's overall level of talent, I venture that it'd have done quite well over a full season, probably the best overall. Most interesting of all is Jon's 4-2-4. By channelling his Rocket League experience, Jon accidentally landed in one of modern football's cookie cutter tactics, the 4-2-2-2 wide play. The two Trequartista fill exactly the role Jon expects them to, circulating the ball and creating chances, and the passing instructions are pretty good too. The problem this tactic had was that the wingers were set far too offensive (this could work if they were world-level quality wingers and thus could do both tasks efficiently, but with a middling Premier League side, they'll struggle to position themselves effectively in defense in counterattack situations, thus allowing opponents space through thw ings), and also, somewhat unexpectedly, Shoot on Sight is counterproductive. Shoot on Sight is designed to allow the first players getting into a shooting position to fire immediately on target. This does not, in fact, have the effect that Jon wants it to, because in football, offensive pushing is rarely an immediate full-pitch press. As a result, forwards are rarely in position to tuck in the rebound à la Rocket League unless the play was already in the opponent's field. That being said, I would actually expect this 4-2-4, if played through a full season, to yield something between 35-50 points and actually survive relegation. So, Jon, you actually are not so bad with football as you claim. The issues that tripped this experiment up were, surprisingly, not due to your creativity, but more due to your expectations based on previous sims. The Fumble squads were made of primarily 30 and over skilled players, with declining contracts. This means they a) are old, which means they get really tired in matches versus fully fit younger Premier League squads. This is why you saw so many leads slip away late, and penalties given. Old players lack pace in the end of games, and have to resort to stronger contact to stop some plays. This tends to lead to what you saw. b) early decline, which meant Utopia and Chaos were actively getting much worse as the season went. Fitness levels and morale levels matter for player performances, and the overall skill of old players diminishes actively in FM. It is possible to have a team of old players but you need to safeguard them from injuries and fitness concerns actively, otherwise they'll get much less capable after gruelling 38 game seasons, and c) you picked Norwich as your base, which is a yo-yo team that often gets relegated with a budget to match. In short, you were replacing not an average team, but a kind of hobbled version of the 0-16 Detroit Lions that had inherent flaws baked in. Given that, I'd say Utopia performed admirably and came surprisingly close to surviving relegation, while Chaos was sunk by Jon's... paleohistorical inclinations. That being said, I loved this, and I can't reiterate this enough: I want more FM. I want you to get to learn about the game a bit, and try really REALLY silly ideas, because FM is surprisingly open to more outlandish propositions. As a bonus, behold a silly formation that I actually once won the Croatian League with. OOO O O O O OOO This (the game reads it as 3-2-2-3 Wide) was dubbed the Roman Turtle formation, inspired on the typical Roman heatershield turtle formation. It won a league. So can you.
@@VersaceJesus Well... let's just say, this video has historical precedents in Career text archives in forums. The Premier League is usually FM's most competitive national league, and the teams in it can afford top of the line players even in the lower end. However, one too many players across early editions of FM loved going full Fumble on tactics and try to completely expose it. An example: an early edition of the series had the AI not adjust tactics substantially (change numbers or shaping) after the start of the match if you didn't, which you could for instance ruthlessly take advantage of by lining an innocuous 4-4-2 standard deal and then change it to have all the midfielders and forwards always ran to the same side as a block, during counterattacks or offensive play, resulting in 3-on-2 and 3-on-1 breakaways all the time in counters. This would render you sufficiently balanced against middling side teams who often struggled past your defense if you invested enough in it... and provided for thorough pantsings of top sides who believed they should take over the game, and kept eating goals on the counter. Suffice to say, the next edition of FM added an immediate modifier for the AI to notice. In a way, FM AI is the result of decades of continuous Fumbling at it, with players attempting all sorts of cheeses. Very much like real football, no tactic in FM will ever rule forever (though the 4-3-1-2 had a good run of it for a few years), and if a cheese ever gets too broken, you can rest assured the next year's AI will bonk you on the head for trying it. Speaking with experience here. :D
i have to echo what Good Effort says. most long youtube comments are racist screeds and/or pretentious drivel, so usually i'd just say "mucho texto" and move on with my life. however, this one was incredibly insightful and interesting (as well as actually relevant), so i give it two thumbs and two big toes up. your breakdown was absolutely fantastic, cheers
To take on what Jon said at 13:41, American Samoa once lost 31-0 to Australia just because they were crappy. And once in Madagascar, a team lost by more than 100-0, because they spent the whole game scoring own goals as a protest against another team's result (both of these would make great That's Weird).
The American Samoa team didn't lose by that because they were crappy. They lost by that much because none of the American Samoan men's team except for the goalie could get visas into Australia. The main junior side were in the middle of high school exams, so they pretty much had to send out a team with 15-16 year olds. Plus the reason Australia piled on so many goals is because they were in a group stage with Tonga, Fiji and Samoa. Because goal difference was a factor. They needed to pile them on, just as they did against Tonga a week earlier 22-0. Because if they didn't and Fiji did, Fiji would only need a draw to move on to the next round.
In an Oceania tournament back in 2008 (I believe) Micronesia lost their 3 games by more than 30 goals. The last match had Vanuatu scoring as many goals as they possibly could in order to advance to the next stage due to goal differential. That resulted in them beating Micronesia 46-0
soccer could easily be fixed by getting rid of offsides (or making a permanent line for it), banning players who flop/embellish, and allow some physical defense to be played (boxing out, some form of hip/body checking)
"Somewhere in a lonely hotel room, there's a guy starting to realize that eternal fate has turned its back on him. It's 2 AM." Or possibly 4:38 in the afternoon.
@@CBielski87 I agree some type of boxing out would be kinda cool on like corners and stuff, (but it kinda already happens a bit) but flopping happens in other sports too (basketball is a prime example) and offsides is essential, otherwise it would just be a game of parking the bus and sending the ball long for two guys to try to score
Honestly, for their two Chaos tactics, you don't need an expert to tell you what went wrong. Zero defence = fuckloads of goals. The only weird thing is how the hell they managed to concede only 8 to Watford (although I suspect that the blame is 100% on Watford for this one)
In my eyes, this is how I view the 6 tactics. Jon Chaos: Defense matters. Kofie Chaos: Use both sides of the pitch. Kim Chaos: Not that bad if implemented correctly, as teams have found success with 4-2-4. Anyways, 4-2-3-1 is still better. Jon Utopia: Honestly the most sound out of the 6 formations. This formation alone was this close to saving Utopia from relegation. Kofie Utopia: Good in possession, but a complete joke in scoring. They're too scared to lose possession and get their defense (with no true center backs or fullbacks) shredded. Kim Utopia: You can't just park the bus every game and expect your average striker to carry the entire attack.
I found Kim's tactics to be the worst overall. Jon's Chaos was horrendous for sure, but it was designed to be. His Utopia made up for it and would have finished mid table. Kofies was pretty much in the middle.
A satisfying end to the experiment: a bunch of Americans experiencing relegation for the first time in their lives Seriously tho, another experiment on FM would be so cool
@Theo Leadfoot Imagine that in the NFL the 3 worst teams get relegated to playing with XFL teams. In other words no longer playing at the highest level of football possible
Honestly, Jon and Kofie have the best chemistry in all of Secret Base. They're my favorites alongside Seth and Will. But, everyone at Secret Base always has great content. Love you guys 🤩
soccer could easily be fixed by getting rid of offsides (or making a permanent line for it), banning players who flop/embellish, and allow some physical defense to be played (boxing out, some form of hip/body checking)
@lelz stop commenting that everywhere. Also stationary offside line would be hella dumb. It would make the game worse because the defensive team would not be able to press past a certain point because the other team would be onside behind the defenders, so you'd have less dynamic play because more people would have to sit back. Right now you can't be offside in your own half which I think is fair enough so that the other team doesn't completely reduce your space by pushing far forward. In futsal that might make sense if you want to add offside to it but it's not really needed there either. Flopping is a problem, but a lot of yellow cards you see these days are for professional fouls which you do on purpose to stop the other team's attack. Some stuff is embellished soft calls which needs to go and I agree with it (I'm not sure penalties should be given as often since it's a guaranteed goal for an attack that might've made it to the box but not really produce a good chance), but a lot of 'softer' things should still be called to eliminate cheap strategic fouls. Also you're allowed to box out if you have control of the ball, players do it all the time to let the ball out of play for goal kicks or corners. It is common to flop while doing this sometimes to win a free kick which I do think is dumb though. Also it's a big part of any physical striker's hold up play to box out. It's also important to box out on contested headers too. Hip checks and body checks wouldn't make sense because it's not hockey? There are some surprisingly physical body checks where both players race for the ball and it's not clear who'll get there first, but I don't think you should be able to just check people who have the ball, that would eliminate any skill in defending. Think about how many opportunities the defending team would have to body check on any given play. This would lead to even less goals and more shithousery. In hockey this works because of a small rink, congested gameplay and on the fly substitutes to keep intensity. Soccer has too much space you'd have to travel without getting absolutely murdered. You sound like you'd rather just watch hockey lmao. If your changes happened there'd be less scoring and more shithoused draws and you'd still complain and watch hockey instead
@@arsenalfanatic09 i ronly ead the last paragraph, seems like what you "fear" the game would become is exactly what it is, boring draws and 1-0 scores w 15 flops per game.
@@CBielski87 me when somebody makes a valid point and you just scroll down to the bottom: -_- also that makes high-scoring games more unique if there are so many boring games, and not many games are boring
It’s great there’s also ones that break the forth wall like “These injuries are too unrealistic” and the transfer ones are spectacular “My uncle owns a taxi he had [insert players] dentist in the car he say he’s definitely staying”
soccer could easily be fixed by getting rid of offsides (or making a permanent line for it), banning players who flop/embellish, and allow some physical defense to be played (boxing out, some form of hip/body checking)
@@CBielski87 if you a guy just watching it from a tv is just stupid idea. Banning offside just make the game to long ball mania or cattenacio era. And more physical contact just make players have more injury issuses. I agree about the flopper though.
@@CBielski87 Yeah I agree with Bima, getting rid of offsides would be pretty silly. As for diving, it's an unfortunate part of the game, that I don't think would go away for a while. Luckily, technologies like VAR make it way easier for the referee to identify flopping, but that only exists at high levels of the sport. The truth is that loads of youth coaches around the world teach kids how to fall more "convincingly", I reckon that's the root of the problem. Also, I'm not sure where you got the fact that physical plays don't exist. I mean "successful" flops, that manage to fool the referee don't even happen every game, and most contacts, even those that happen to cause injuries are dismissed as "manly challenges"
Fumble Chaos is gonna get relegated so hard, they're going straight to the lowest level of British football. Or maybe invent a new lowest level just for them.
It was painful to watch my sport get dismantled so thoroughly. Perhaps that’s the greatest compliment I could ever hope to pay to the Fumble Dimension.
I know this doesn't get as many views as the football, baseball or basketball videos but these have been my 2 favourite videos for a while. Absolutely love you guys messing around on FM and I'd love to see some more soccer/football videos. Thanks from Scotland!
Can I get a T-shirt that's just a pic of Kofie doing that stare into the camera while sipping coffee thing and says "I expensed 5 soccer games" in bold type underneath?
This series has me laughing so hard hahaha I died when the chaos players refund their fans after the 11-1 loss. I've never seen this happen in my 3k+ hours of FM. Keep up the great work guys.
If y'all put out a piece of merch for every fumble dimension saga, I would buy it every time. You deserve so much for the time, and probably large piece of your soul, that you leave on the pitch during every deep dive.
I know the music for these videos is probably considered "relaxing jazz" by the composers, but with this video it just feels depressing. It's like the music for a sad montage in a 90s rom-com.
what's truly incredible about Jon's time in fumble chaos is that he didn't even score many goals. I feel like if he had at least scored like 7-8 goals a game while still losing as much as he had he would've kept his job at the very least. truly an unmatched performance
I love that Delia Smith is still the chair of the Fumble Teams. If you guys don't know, Delia Smith is a really famous TV Chef in the UK, and also a massive Norwich City Fan and Shareholder). I'm imagining her firing Jon over a nice homemade Cottage Pie.
Rarely. It happens in lower leagues more often where a club might refund travelling fans who went and saw a 6-0 or 10-0 drubbing if the manager doesn't think they put enough effort in. www.businessinsider.com/crewe-manager-players-will-refund-fans-6-0-defeat-2018-8
One thing that's worth mentioning when discussing the relative successes of the formations is the aspect that is shown sometimes by Kofie of how poor management can impact team performance down the line. i.e although Kofie's Chaos strategy *was* hot garbage, once Jon's Chaos strategy sent them into the pits of hell, the team was never recovering because the game is in-depth enough that things like player morale, fitness etc do impact the results quite heavily if you let them. The fact that they had precisely one strategy in their playbook at any one time and only changed that up twice in the whole season also had an impact, most likely. There were multiple warnings from the game about that.
I'm from Great Britain, and can confirm that i'm not mad at you. In fact, i wholeheartedly endorse all of this absolute madness. Also, bonus points for the Shakespearean street urchin, genuine lol at that. :D
13:30 the highest score in professional soccer history was 149-0. All 149 goals were own goals scored by the losing team, in protest of refereeing decisions in a previous match. And fittingly, paying spectators demanded refunds for their tickets!
I would love to see what happens if you use the most effective formations (I think it was Kim’s for Chaos and Jon’s for Utopia) for a whole season. Just to see if any or both teams can be redeemed someway somehow.
I wasn't able to watch this when it was released. It's now 1/10/21 and I'm watching this. THANK YOU for something entertaining and funny to help me take my mind off of . You guys do great work. Keep it up.
Jon Bois managing to live out his Scorigami dream in Football Manager of all things might genuinely be the most impressive achievement in Fumble Dimension so far.
Fun/Depressing fact, I’ve been a goalkeeper on the end of scorelines like those in Jon’s fumble chaos reigns. It is impressive, especially when you realise that as a goalkeeper you literally have to keep going.
A few notes on this, now that you've had your first brush with Football Manager's AI.
The AI is notorious for annihilating nonsensical approaches to the game. To compensate for this, it takes a very lenient approach to your tactics, choosing to interpret them in the most consistent way possible. Kofie's ALL LEFT formation was likely played by the game as a variation of a central left-wing 3-4-3 formation, just biased to left. This is why Kofie consistently scored in his Chaos games, but was blown out more and more as the season went along. Teams just figured him out, and the Premier League is the toughest league in the world, in-game. If you get figured out, you'll suffer pastings as the game ruthlessly explores your vulnerabilities.
The less said about Jon's CAVEMEN the best. As you have no doubt realized, the game is hard-coded to PUNISH people trying nonsense like that. On a funnier note, his team still didn't beat the all-time record for a game between competitive football teams (for National Teams, this would be the infamous Australia 31-0 Australian Samoa, back when Australia still qualified to the World Cup from the Oceania brackets. For world top leagues it's an infamous 149-0 protest match in the Madagascar top flight, which is a Secret Base story in and of itself.). Unlike very early editions of FM and predecessors, the game KNOWS you're running no defense and will appropriately murder you for it. Also funnily, no offense, aka no striker formations, ARE possible and even pretty successful with the right setups, both in-game and in real life.
Kofie's Box-and-1 was (and this may surprise you, Kofie) not a terrible idea. The only issue is Kofie set the defensive line as Defensive Midfielders, which, essentially, meant he was playing a softer variant of Jon's CAVEMEN. The game visibly attempted to compensate for this, even throwing in a good game, by shunting the DMs into more defensive roles, but ultimately, it still would punish you in counterattacks and pass into space motions. This is why you had a bunch of high scoring games, with an offensive tactic that dominated the center, but once teams found you out, it became shootouts, which you lost for reasons I will elaborate on later.
Kim's two tactics were interesting choices coming from an expert. Utopia's tactic is and was a very common tactic with struggling teams in the real-life Premier League, earning the infamous moniker of Route One Football. It is designed for slow methodical games, where the defense stifles the opponent's offensive production and launches balls to a Slow Tall Forward (aka a Turret) who grabs the ball and disposes of the backmost defenders to score on the counter. It also lends itself well to set pieces, as Slow Tall Forwards dominate the box. It's also colloquially known as the Crouch tactic, over famous forward Peter Crouch, tall and terrifying in such team tactics. Route One is more of a "staying alive" tactic, which is why it often produces boor 0-0 draws. That's what it's made for. I dislike this tactic, though I see its merits, as more often than not, it won't wield wins if you desperately need them.
Chaos is the much more expressive 4-1-1-4 DM Wide, a tactic designed to move the ball fluidly to the forward lines quickly and effectively, and create lots of chances from the wings, with crucial flank changes. Of all the tactics presented, this is one I actually play with at times in my teams, though it's definitely more suited to top leagues, as the results show. It's the kind of formation that skilled teams play when gifted with technical flair players, and has been spotted in many a strong Spanish, British, French and German sides with up-and-coming teams. Given Chaos's overall level of talent, I venture that it'd have done quite well over a full season, probably the best overall.
Most interesting of all is Jon's 4-2-4. By channelling his Rocket League experience, Jon accidentally landed in one of modern football's cookie cutter tactics, the 4-2-2-2 wide play. The two Trequartista fill exactly the role Jon expects them to, circulating the ball and creating chances, and the passing instructions are pretty good too. The problem this tactic had was that the wingers were set far too offensive (this could work if they were world-level quality wingers and thus could do both tasks efficiently, but with a middling Premier League side, they'll struggle to position themselves effectively in defense in counterattack situations, thus allowing opponents space through thw ings), and also, somewhat unexpectedly, Shoot on Sight is counterproductive. Shoot on Sight is designed to allow the first players getting into a shooting position to fire immediately on target. This does not, in fact, have the effect that Jon wants it to, because in football, offensive pushing is rarely an immediate full-pitch press. As a result, forwards are rarely in position to tuck in the rebound à la Rocket League unless the play was already in the opponent's field. That being said, I would actually expect this 4-2-4, if played through a full season, to yield something between 35-50 points and actually survive relegation. So, Jon, you actually are not so bad with football as you claim.
The issues that tripped this experiment up were, surprisingly, not due to your creativity, but more due to your expectations based on previous sims. The Fumble squads were made of primarily 30 and over skilled players, with declining contracts. This means they a) are old, which means they get really tired in matches versus fully fit younger Premier League squads. This is why you saw so many leads slip away late, and penalties given. Old players lack pace in the end of games, and have to resort to stronger contact to stop some plays. This tends to lead to what you saw. b) early decline, which meant Utopia and Chaos were actively getting much worse as the season went. Fitness levels and morale levels matter for player performances, and the overall skill of old players diminishes actively in FM. It is possible to have a team of old players but you need to safeguard them from injuries and fitness concerns actively, otherwise they'll get much less capable after gruelling 38 game seasons, and c) you picked Norwich as your base, which is a yo-yo team that often gets relegated with a budget to match. In short, you were replacing not an average team, but a kind of hobbled version of the 0-16 Detroit Lions that had inherent flaws baked in. Given that, I'd say Utopia performed admirably and came surprisingly close to surviving relegation, while Chaos was sunk by Jon's... paleohistorical inclinations.
That being said, I loved this, and I can't reiterate this enough: I want more FM. I want you to get to learn about the game a bit, and try really REALLY silly ideas, because FM is surprisingly open to more outlandish propositions.
As a bonus, behold a silly formation that I actually once won the Croatian League with.
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This (the game reads it as 3-2-2-3 Wide) was dubbed the Roman Turtle formation, inspired on the typical Roman heatershield turtle formation. It won a league. So can you.
This is one of the longest TH-cam comments I have ever read and also enjoyed reading. Thanks for sharing.
I love that the Premier League AI has a reputation for looking at goofy formations and going "U 'AVIN A LAUGH M8?!"
@@VersaceJesus Well... let's just say, this video has historical precedents in Career text archives in forums. The Premier League is usually FM's most competitive national league, and the teams in it can afford top of the line players even in the lower end. However, one too many players across early editions of FM loved going full Fumble on tactics and try to completely expose it.
An example: an early edition of the series had the AI not adjust tactics substantially (change numbers or shaping) after the start of the match if you didn't, which you could for instance ruthlessly take advantage of by lining an innocuous 4-4-2 standard deal and then change it to have all the midfielders and forwards always ran to the same side as a block, during counterattacks or offensive play, resulting in 3-on-2 and 3-on-1 breakaways all the time in counters. This would render you sufficiently balanced against middling side teams who often struggled past your defense if you invested enough in it... and provided for thorough pantsings of top sides who believed they should take over the game, and kept eating goals on the counter. Suffice to say, the next edition of FM added an immediate modifier for the AI to notice.
In a way, FM AI is the result of decades of continuous Fumbling at it, with players attempting all sorts of cheeses. Very much like real football, no tactic in FM will ever rule forever (though the 4-3-1-2 had a good run of it for a few years), and if a cheese ever gets too broken, you can rest assured the next year's AI will bonk you on the head for trying it. Speaking with experience here. :D
This was great. Thanks for sharing
i have to echo what Good Effort says. most long youtube comments are racist screeds and/or pretentious drivel, so usually i'd just say "mucho texto" and move on with my life. however, this one was incredibly insightful and interesting (as well as actually relevant), so i give it two thumbs and two big toes up. your breakdown was absolutely fantastic, cheers
Jon's tenure as Fumble Chaos gaffer needs to have a "The Worst" episode dedicated to it.
Should be an April Fool's video, would be amazing.
I would legit watch this.
Agreed
I literally came to this video to comment saying that they should bring back the worst with the original guy
Meanwhile, after the way the season started, Fumble Utopia warrants an episode of Collapse.
Kofie is incredibly good at these "Kofie Despondent" scenes.
I live for Kofie.
He has a lot of practice
That shot of him at 10.30 nails the look of a League 1 manager down 3-0 who knows he's destined for relegation and the sack
I am worried about him.
He went outside.
To take on what Jon said at 13:41, American Samoa once lost 31-0 to Australia just because they were crappy. And once in Madagascar, a team lost by more than 100-0, because they spent the whole game scoring own goals as a protest against another team's result (both of these would make great That's Weird).
they did a video about the Madagascar one
Imagine if that American Samoa team played a team like Brazil of France.
The American Samoa team didn't lose by that because they were crappy. They lost by that much because none of the American Samoan men's team except for the goalie could get visas into Australia. The main junior side were in the middle of high school exams, so they pretty much had to send out a team with 15-16 year olds. Plus the reason Australia piled on so many goals is because they were in a group stage with Tonga, Fiji and Samoa. Because goal difference was a factor. They needed to pile them on, just as they did against Tonga a week earlier 22-0. Because if they didn't and Fiji did, Fiji would only need a draw to move on to the next round.
In an Oceania tournament back in 2008 (I believe) Micronesia lost their 3 games by more than 30 goals. The last match had Vanuatu scoring as many goals as they possibly could in order to advance to the next stage due to goal differential. That resulted in them beating Micronesia 46-0
@@Basetornado Not giving your oponents players visas when you need a win is just plain evil.
A FUFC scarf would be great but consider: a “Welcome To A Moment In History” tank top. These guns deserve a closer look.
If that's not on the back of the shirt, I'm rioting, lol
soccer could easily be fixed by getting rid of offsides (or making a permanent line for it), banning players who flop/embellish, and allow some physical defense to be played (boxing out, some form of hip/body checking)
@@CBielski87 Yeah. Lots of floppers and organizers can't do jackshit about it. Only the brainwashed masses tolerate that sport.
I would pay inordinate amounts of money for a “welcome to a moment in history” hoodie and shirt
@@namesurname7172 lol
20:38 “Its 7 in the morning”
Oven Clock: 4:38 PM
I think Kofie has gone too far into the fumble dimension this time.
Are you telling me your oven clock shows the right time because that's bullshit and I dont believe you
What if we’re in the fumble dimension and football manager is the real dimension?
"Somewhere in a lonely hotel room, there's a guy starting to realize that eternal fate has turned its back on him. It's 2 AM." Or possibly 4:38 in the afternoon.
@@thenotoriousdig610 lmao true words
Ah, it's time for Kofie's “none pizza left beef” tactic
@@CBielski87 Uhh, just no, no. The offside rule is essential to the game
@@CBielski87 without an offside there would be no point in having a midfield.
@@CBielski87 I agree some type of boxing out would be kinda cool on like corners and stuff, (but it kinda already happens a bit) but flopping happens in other sports too (basketball is a prime example) and offsides is essential, otherwise it would just be a game of parking the bus and sending the ball long for two guys to try to score
“An open world sandbox game where you just go around England and eat bad food”
Yakuza-styled Peaky Blinders game when?
“Aye, he messed up Fumble Chaos.”
“GET HIM!!!”
failed football manager simulator 2021
You mean like actual life living in England?
@@JWex-jy7sk OI MISTA
Who else loves Kofi's soft and soothing, yet highly relatable voice?
What's highly relatable voice lmao
It's perfect for the undersold humor he does
@@archief1 idk what it is but he's right
He could host an episode of Sesame Street any day.
Are your adjectives randomly generated?
I would have loved a W-D-L record for all 6 tactics, ideally with Kim's input on why they failed or failed miserably.
Honestly, for their two Chaos tactics, you don't need an expert to tell you what went wrong. Zero defence = fuckloads of goals. The only weird thing is how the hell they managed to concede only 8 to Watford (although I suspect that the blame is 100% on Watford for this one)
In my eyes, this is how I view the 6 tactics.
Jon Chaos: Defense matters.
Kofie Chaos: Use both sides of the pitch.
Kim Chaos: Not that bad if implemented correctly, as teams have found success with 4-2-4. Anyways, 4-2-3-1 is still better.
Jon Utopia: Honestly the most sound out of the 6 formations. This formation alone was this close to saving Utopia from relegation.
Kofie Utopia: Good in possession, but a complete joke in scoring. They're too scared to lose possession and get their defense (with no true center backs or fullbacks) shredded.
Kim Utopia: You can't just park the bus every game and expect your average striker to carry the entire attack.
I found Kim's tactics to be the worst overall. Jon's Chaos was horrendous for sure, but it was designed to be. His Utopia made up for it and would have finished mid table. Kofies was pretty much in the middle.
@@Basetornado I'm pretty sure though that after Jon's Utopia (which was just a very standard tactic), Kim's were the most successful.
@@DrZaius3141
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I never see that "player refund the fans" things in like 10 years + of my history playing FM XD
even on my research on many sites too
thx dude :D
I did once. I basically rested all my first team players against OL. We lost 6-0.
welcome to the fumble dimension
22:24 You're laughing. Jon Bois has been fired from soccer, and you're laughing.
"I'm trying to get dumber every passing day"
-Jon Bois; 2021
Me too, Jon, me too...
Yeah me to, unfortunately I keep getting sent back to school, oh well I suppose that really just makes it easier though.
If he keeps getting dumber, he'll probably become the dumbest boy alive by April
I don’t know that I’m trying to get dumber every day but it’s definitely happening anyway
I literally scrolled past this comment as Jon said the line in the video.
@@uniboy13 hmmmm
Robert Lewandowski’s 5 goals in 9 minutes deserves a deep rewind
Man that would be cool as hell
And even if it was only like a 3ish min joke of a video it’d still be awesome
Lewandowski breaking the record might be easier
A satisfying end to the experiment: a bunch of Americans experiencing relegation for the first time in their lives
Seriously tho, another experiment on FM would be so cool
Im going to assume its about as miserable as a 2-14 season or worse for American Football
@Theo Leadfoot
Imagine that in the NFL the 3 worst teams get relegated to playing with XFL teams. In other words no longer playing at the highest level of football possible
Honestly, Jon and Kofie have the best chemistry in all of Secret Base. They're my favorites alongside Seth and Will. But, everyone at Secret Base always has great content. Love you guys 🤩
clara + kevin garnett for best combo; the amount of sheer hate she has for the man is unparalleled
soccer could easily be fixed by getting rid of offsides (or making a permanent line for it), banning players who flop/embellish, and allow some physical defense to be played (boxing out, some form of hip/body checking)
@lelz stop commenting that everywhere. Also stationary offside line would be hella dumb. It would make the game worse because the defensive team would not be able to press past a certain point because the other team would be onside behind the defenders, so you'd have less dynamic play because more people would have to sit back. Right now you can't be offside in your own half which I think is fair enough so that the other team doesn't completely reduce your space by pushing far forward.
In futsal that might make sense if you want to add offside to it but it's not really needed there either.
Flopping is a problem, but a lot of yellow cards you see these days are for professional fouls which you do on purpose to stop the other team's attack. Some stuff is embellished soft calls which needs to go and I agree with it (I'm not sure penalties should be given as often since it's a guaranteed goal for an attack that might've made it to the box but not really produce a good chance), but a lot of 'softer' things should still be called to eliminate cheap strategic fouls.
Also you're allowed to box out if you have control of the ball, players do it all the time to let the ball out of play for goal kicks or corners. It is common to flop while doing this sometimes to win a free kick which I do think is dumb though. Also it's a big part of any physical striker's hold up play to box out. It's also important to box out on contested headers too.
Hip checks and body checks wouldn't make sense because it's not hockey?
There are some surprisingly physical body checks where both players race for the ball and it's not clear who'll get there first, but I don't think you should be able to just check people who have the ball, that would eliminate any skill in defending. Think about how many opportunities the defending team would have to body check on any given play. This would lead to even less goals and more shithousery. In hockey this works because of a small rink, congested gameplay and on the fly substitutes to keep intensity. Soccer has too much space you'd have to travel without getting absolutely murdered.
You sound like you'd rather just watch hockey lmao. If your changes happened there'd be less scoring and more shithoused draws and you'd still complain and watch hockey instead
@@arsenalfanatic09 i ronly ead the last paragraph, seems like what you "fear" the game would become is exactly what it is, boring draws and 1-0 scores w 15 flops per game.
@@CBielski87 me when somebody makes a valid point and you just scroll down to the bottom: -_-
also that makes high-scoring games more unique if there are so many boring games, and not many games are boring
Okay but can you imagine how fun it was for the developers to sit in the writers room and just brainstorm angry fake soccer tweets?
It’s great there’s also ones that break the forth wall like “These injuries are too unrealistic” and the transfer ones are spectacular “My uncle owns a taxi he had [insert players] dentist in the car he say he’s definitely staying”
Jon's formation is something I've always wanted to do, as a Football Manager fan, but never had the guts to
It almost feels illegal
soccer could easily be fixed by getting rid of offsides (or making a permanent line for it), banning players who flop/embellish, and allow some physical defense to be played (boxing out, some form of hip/body checking)
@@CBielski87 if you a guy just watching it from a tv is just stupid idea. Banning offside just make the game to long ball mania or cattenacio era. And more physical contact just make players have more injury issuses. I agree about the flopper though.
@@CBielski87 go watch the 70's Brasil vs Italy final, that's what a physical football is, tons of almost ilegal tackles and Injuries
@@GabrielP2R ya, entertaining
@@CBielski87 Yeah I agree with Bima, getting rid of offsides would be pretty silly. As for diving, it's an unfortunate part of the game, that I don't think would go away for a while. Luckily, technologies like VAR make it way easier for the referee to identify flopping, but that only exists at high levels of the sport. The truth is that loads of youth coaches around the world teach kids how to fall more "convincingly", I reckon that's the root of the problem.
Also, I'm not sure where you got the fact that physical plays don't exist. I mean "successful" flops, that manage to fool the referee don't even happen every game, and most contacts, even those that happen to cause injuries are dismissed as "manly challenges"
Fumble Chaos is gonna get relegated so hard, they're going straight to the lowest level of British football. Or maybe invent a new lowest level just for them.
It's called the Scottish Premiership
@@ratedpending Ouch that’s cold lol.
@@ratedpending you savage
You mean below Swansea
They’ll be playing kids and still be losing.
Jon’s mournful “broke the chart” is maybe the essence of fumble dimension in one sentence
I'm still laughing that Jon got fired.
The best part was that Delia Smith fired him. As well as being part owner of Norwich City, Delia was a hugely successful TV chef.
Man I really should stop looking at the comments before finishing the video. Got me real stressed out about real Jon for a second lol
I was so worried when I saw Jon got fired 😭
It was painful to watch my sport get dismantled so thoroughly. Perhaps that’s the greatest compliment I could ever hope to pay to the Fumble Dimension.
I know this doesn't get as many views as the football, baseball or basketball videos but these have been my 2 favourite videos for a while. Absolutely love you guys messing around on FM and I'd love to see some more soccer/football videos. Thanks from Scotland!
I actually really like kofies voice, I think it’s really relaxing and soothing, never change kofie
the 26 thousands icons on Kofie's desktop makes me angrier than he said that he hates his voice.
I'm almost certain that was just to rile us up. Mission accomplished.
20:38 "It's 7 in the morning, I can't sleep so I decided to simulate more Football Manager"
The clock on your oven says 4:11. You can't fool us Kofie!
When have oven clocks ever been accurate?
A reenactment I expect.
You know it's gonna be a good year when there's a new fumble dimension video in the first week
GIVE US FUMBLE UTOPIA AND FUMBLE CHAOS MERCH!!
A split scarf lmao
@@anonymous71207 agree, the split scarf is perfect
Split Scarf. Stickers. Bonus points if you could make a team kit for one of them.
Greatest idea ever.
I'd absolutely buy a FU or CU jersey with "BOIS 69" or "YEBOAH (insert number Kofie likes here)" on the back. That'd actually be incredible
Kofi liking One Piece is something I'm glad I learned
Seeing that flag on his wall put a smile on my face
Just realized how chaotic Kofie's desktop is
Only Jon Bois could be fired by a video game. This was spectacular.
No literally anyone could.
Kofie, I think that it's pretty inevitable that when your formation is literally an L column, that's where you will end up most of your games
"It's 7 in the morning. I can't sleep, so I decide to simulate more football manager" perfectly describes my life at this point.
Kofie laughing maniacally, slowly losing his mind, doing emo photo shoots... this is why we subscribe
The "trying my best" hoodie really makes those sad Kofie scenes so much better
That moment where Kofie reveals the two other bottles of wine is perhaps the most hilarious and best cinematic moment on Fumble Dimension ever.
"Southampton sucks bruh" - as someone that has worked at their stadium and quit on the job, truer words have never been said
6:37 I have played these games for about 20 years and have never seen this happen. Bravo!
“That’s almost everyone on earth and we’re gonna get there.” - Jon Bois, 2020/21. I like his confidence 👍
Hi Kofi's boss, please make Fumble Chaos/Utopia merch so I can purchase a crippling amount of it, thank you.
It’s like being a Cleveland browns fan lmao
I don't think either FDFC club won a playoff match on the road against a bitter rival without their head coach and several key players.
Can I get a T-shirt that's just a pic of Kofie doing that stare into the camera while sipping coffee thing and says "I expensed 5 soccer games" in bold type underneath?
I would love this.
4:15 damn that’s 2 more goals than Dele Alli actually has so far this season
Jon's capacity for destruction is unmatched, I'm legitimately blown away
Kofie wearing hockey sweaters…please tell me that’s a sign of what your doing next.
Pleaseee
Much like I say Kobe when shooting a basketball, I will now be saying Kofie when shooting a sad look at the camera
This series has me laughing so hard hahaha I died when the chaos players refund their fans after the 11-1 loss. I've never seen this happen in my 3k+ hours of FM. Keep up the great work guys.
If y'all put out a piece of merch for every fumble dimension saga, I would buy it every time. You deserve so much for the time, and probably large piece of your soul, that you leave on the pitch during every deep dive.
I know the music for these videos is probably considered "relaxing jazz" by the composers, but with this video it just feels depressing. It's like the music for a sad montage in a 90s rom-com.
Bois era Fumble Chaos deserves a collapse video.
Failure of this magnitude is an absolutely astounding achievement. I don't think I could concede more if I was deliberately trying to lose.
what's truly incredible about Jon's time in fumble chaos is that he didn't even score many goals. I feel like if he had at least scored like 7-8 goals a game while still losing as much as he had he would've kept his job at the very least. truly an unmatched performance
Who has been leaving mean comments about Kofie? Kofie has the voice of an angel.
I completely forgot what this whole series was about ~10 minutes into this video. But, I kept watching since I love Kofi and Jon’s voices so much
23:31 FM actually has an option at the beginning of a game for you to start unemployed.
Can we take a moment to appreciate Kofi's style throughout this video? Man's got outfits on outfits.
Jon's fumble chaos strategy seems a lot like Leeds 2020/21
I love that Delia Smith is still the chair of the Fumble Teams. If you guys don't know, Delia Smith is a really famous TV Chef in the UK, and also a massive Norwich City Fan and Shareholder). I'm imagining her firing Jon over a nice homemade Cottage Pie.
I'm impressed that the game allows for refunds to happen in the simulation. How many times does that happen in real life?
Rarely. It happens in lower leagues more often where a club might refund travelling fans who went and saw a 6-0 or 10-0 drubbing if the manager doesn't think they put enough effort in.
www.businessinsider.com/crewe-manager-players-will-refund-fans-6-0-defeat-2018-8
I think my club Southampton offered refunds after a 9-0 loss last year.
It happened when a team gets a heavy beating but rarely more than once a season
Twitter so toxic that even fake twitter is soul crushing
4:00 Liverpool is playing their bench players besides VVD, Gomez, and Fabinho lol
Kofie: "hey my chaos team won, this might work"
Jon: *"and i took that personally."*
would be cool to see how kim's fumble chaos would fare over the course of a full season!
Maybe they would've stayed up
It’s basically a 4-2-4 and although I think Jon’s Utopia is better, either one would make them a mid table side.
"if both teams cooperated" sounds like the DeVry basketball game you covered lol
Jon's chaos team is the physical embodiment of chaotic evil
"I am trying to get dumber with every passing day."
Me too, Jon. Me too.
Oof. That moment when Lacazette scores 12 past you 😂
Jon Bois is a gift to humanity and absolute saint. I love him
One thing that's worth mentioning when discussing the relative successes of the formations is the aspect that is shown sometimes by Kofie of how poor management can impact team performance down the line. i.e although Kofie's Chaos strategy *was* hot garbage, once Jon's Chaos strategy sent them into the pits of hell, the team was never recovering because the game is in-depth enough that things like player morale, fitness etc do impact the results quite heavily if you let them. The fact that they had precisely one strategy in their playbook at any one time and only changed that up twice in the whole season also had an impact, most likely. There were multiple warnings from the game about that.
Man, I love this series. You guys are awesome.
Also, Jon must be held accountable for his sins.
"This is hope isn't it? I hate this." - Kofie
22:33 This laughter is the perfect description of Fumble Chaos's downward spiral
RE: the store -- i am in love with my Mariners poster. if they ever restock i encourage you, dear commenters, to get on that
I missed that and I sooo want them to restock it.
I'm from Great Britain, and can confirm that i'm not mad at you. In fact, i wholeheartedly endorse all of this absolute madness. Also, bonus points for the Shakespearean street urchin, genuine lol at that. :D
13:30 the highest score in professional soccer history was 149-0. All 149 goals were own goals scored by the losing team, in protest of refereeing decisions in a previous match. And fittingly, paying spectators demanded refunds for their tickets!
You don't see people playing Monopoly by themselves with candles anymore. Keep up the great work Kofie!
I would love to see what happens if you use the most effective formations (I think it was Kim’s for Chaos and Jon’s for Utopia) for a whole season. Just to see if any or both teams can be redeemed someway somehow.
I wasn't able to watch this when it was released. It's now 1/10/21 and I'm watching this. THANK YOU for something entertaining and funny to help me take my mind off of . You guys do great work. Keep it up.
Petition to change the name of this series to “Making Kofie cry”
Jon's Chaos strategy ended up not being the one soccer needs, but definitely the one soccer deserves
How where you guys not fired after 22-1? I just have to loose once by 10 after a horrendus tactic choice to loose my job.
I love that Kofie is suffering and Jon is like well this sucks, oh well
Kofie's therapist must be making so much money with all the mental torture he's being put through
Jon Bois managing to live out his Scorigami dream in Football Manager of all things might genuinely be the most impressive achievement in Fumble Dimension so far.
18:37
THIS MAN JUST SAID THAT *JON BOIS* ISNT GOOD ENOUGH
As a wise man once said, “IT’S TIME TO GO!”
@@jcorona984 RIP Claude
Things I did not expect to appear in this video:
* a One Piece flag
* a Carolina Hurricanes jersey
* a Winnipeg Jets jersey
* SCR Altach
Glad to get the next episode. And we love your voice.
*to the tune of the "We Lose Every Week" chant.*
"We're Fumble Chaos, were Fumble Chaaaooooos.
We play all up front, we don't give a toss."
You guys make a Tom Dugdale Utopia kit and I would buy it in a SECOND.
'it's 7am'
your kitchen clock would disagree
Ooooh, boy. First time I'm early to a Secret Base vid, AND it's Fumble Dimension? Brilliant. :)
-Jaybird029
Time to send ice hockey into the fumble dimension?
It finally happened, you got fired by a video game! 🤣
The musicians who made the music in your videos had no idea what greatness lie in store for their recordings.
Commenting to boost that fickle algorithm
Fun/Depressing fact, I’ve been a goalkeeper on the end of scorelines like those in Jon’s fumble chaos reigns. It is impressive, especially when you realise that as a goalkeeper you literally have to keep going.
Poor Kofie, he always looks so tired, someone send this guy some help
The wine scene is just... *chef's kiss*
Here's what I learned:
Southampton is trash, bruh
The same Southampton beat Liverpool, anyway.
"Switched off and confused" lmao