£50M Astana ‘Super Team’ Is Coming + What’s With Cav’s Gearing? - Wild Ones Pro Show TdF Stage 6
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- Highlights and discuss from Stage 6 of the Tour de France 2024
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Jasper Philipsen pushing Wout into the barriers again had me fuming
He has been put back about 100+ positions apparently!!. Hope it is true!!.
Wasn’t that bad tbh
@@J-cz7yv🤦♂️
@@stevenfreeman7798Relegated to the back of the group he was in so that’s true! I’m so happy about that. He is the worst at deviating from his line on those bunch sprints.
If the rules were applied equally to Jasper as the rest of the peloton, he'd be run out of the sport. Guy couldnt maintain a line if his life depended on it.
A piece of information that might not have made it: Philipsen got relegated for blocking Van Aert.
i wish you did these live, always waiting for it as soon as the stage has finished
Just missing Jonathan Milan and Tim Merlier
I miss seeing Milan's headbanging in the sprint.
Me too. Hate Karen jasper.
Yeah I was confused when the guy said “all of the best sprinters are here” lol. Merlier has arguably been the best sprinter this year with Milan right behind him.
loving this show format. i would watch this everyday if you kept it going. And keep Chris for as long as you can. Great Chemistry between all of you. Great work!
Where’s the mustard!?
Can I just say that Philipson is my least favorite rider with the Alpecin-Deceuninick team directors following in a close second.
I agree!
Same!
Moscon
Groenewegen
Philipsen
Loving this series so far! Would love to have a behind the scenes on how you're getting this out so fast on a daily basis for 3 whole weeks.
Philipsen relegated, moving Pedersen🇩🇰 to second for green
Cav is actually running 55-42 which is not available in 12speed lol
WVA has some incredible calm. I’d have dropped the disaster by now.
I don't think I agree on "best" sprint field in years... no Merlier, no Kooij, no Milan.
Absolutely! The sprinters at this year’s tour have looked really strong, but it’s hardly a “sprint World Cup” without these three in my opinion.
Best sprint field in years I agree with because it is much stronger than a lot of the previous Tours and with, seemingly, more guys in form but ‘mini sprinters world championships’ I disagreed with due to the absence of the riders you mentioned.
xds(X-LAB) is a reletivly big brand in China. It does its own branding for 20 plus years while being an OEM factor for Trek and few other brands.
Thank you Chris , Emily , and Jimmi ... Dijon frisson new "Aeroface" unveiled soon !
I may be the first today. Anyway, amazing Tour, amazing show and amazing hosts! The next season of the Netflix series will be a belter!
Astana mechanics were asked about Cav’s chainrings following yesterday’s stage and they said their testing shows they’re slightly stiffer than latest versions
It’s VERY common for Cav’s chain to come off when he wins as he just stops pedalling slowly. Look back at 2021 wins, did it every time
Can you explain the chain falling off part? Why?
@@trev-trev they explained it in the video as well, if he backpedals, the chain stops on the chainring while it's still moving on the freewheel, throwing it over in front
@@trev-trev try spinning at 1000 watts+, 110rpm+ and immediately stop, or even backpedal slightly and see what happens. The chain still has momentum and will skip off the teeth of the chainrings. Happens often for Cav who, when he wins sits up and stops pedalling sharply. If he doesn't win then he lays off power less abruptly and even just rotating the cranks prevents it.
It's no big issue, if he needed to continue through the finish zone just pedalling would almost certainly re mount the chain
I run Dura Ace 11s. And when my 11s cranks (54/42) were warranty replaced by Shimano, they sent back a 12s Dura Ace crank with 11s chainrings (54/40). I can also sprint on fast group rides up to around 1100w and I can't fathom why his chain always seems to disengage like that. The notion some people make that the freehub is still trying to spin while his crank is stopping seems so ridiculous (I mean the chain is driving the cassette and when you stop pedaling, you stop moving the cassette). Conspiracy theory here 👀: Motors are causing chain suck. Somebody do some testing with a motor and then stop pedaling while the motor tries to continue.
Y'all should have a look at Sean Quinn's bike for the stage today. It is Independence Day in the U.S. and he's the U.S. Road Champ. They surprised him with a stars and stripes bike for July 4, and it was really special.
Chris rocking all that Fini gear.
11:04 Here in Costa Rica and I suppose several other global south countries XDS has a big presence most LBS has them along with Giant as their premium and middle entry bikes.
that’s cool to know! They don’t seem to have any presence here in the uk
Maybe cycling should be following the same way F1 has gone with a budget cap for teams.
I think on the chainring front.. R9200 are available in 52t and 54t.
Cav was running R9100 in 55t. Possible that’s the biggest commercially available Shimano chainring he can get hold of.
This tour does not have the strongest sprint field. Three of the four best sprinters are not here, Merlier, Milan and Kooij. Merlier is the best sprinter this year.
For the record, XDS more than just an OEM company, it makes all kinds of bikes and has a full range of offering from entry level bike to their top of the range X-LAB (XDS's top offering). Their market share are just as big as Giant in mainland if not even bigger. However, their operation is relativly regional so outside Asia they are not known by many people.
Question: First time watching the TdF and i wonder: What are the advantaces of time trial bikes compared to "regular" ones? And id time trials are better then the regular ones, why don't they use the TT bike at every stage?
Chris Hall "Every major sprinter is in the tour"
Jonathan Milan has entered the chat 😀
I’ve only been following pro cycling a few years but I think this is my favorite tour yet
Back pedalling,in the top or bottom sprocket, will often unship the chain due to the extreme angle on short chain stay bikes. C
What I've liked about the sprint stages so far is not one "sprint train" has come anywhere near dropping their sprinter off. Each stage has been very messy very chaotic. No train has managed to keep it together past 2km to go.
Best sprinter so far this season, Tim Merlier isn't in the Tour.
Sarto still manufacture frames for Condor
Don't know if they're the same brand, but my local shop here in South Australia sells a budget brand called XDS.
Fun show!! Keep it up.
Olav Kooij
Tim Merlier
Jonathan Milan
Astana could have purchased whatever chainring they want from PASS QUEST; three kinds of 110BCD chainring are provided to fit different generations of Dura ace spiders, plus aero options.
The chain falling off Cavs bike goes back to the 2021 Tour. Move on ............... : - (
Astana: Hello Shimano, I ‘d like to get a 12 speed 56 tooth chain ring for Sir Cav, please.
Shimano: Sir who? Nah, he gotta buy it.
Astana: oh. Ok. We just hack it with a 11 tooth chain ring we have lying around somewhere.
Dude with the finisterre gear has no pro cycling knowledge
Callibg this Sprint field strong with no one missing is just soooo wrong
No Merlier
No Milan
No Kooij
Literally 3 of the top 4 Sprinters in the World missing
What are you even talking about
No Dainese/De Klejn
You don't know anything about bike manufacturing in Italy. You haven't lived there and worked for an Italian bike manufacturer. You talk of Sarto and don't mention Fratelli Masciaghi.
I managed to guess Bernard Hinault. that was the only one I managed to get. It also reminded me that I still have my Look Team Jersey I bought when I was in my teems (80s). I can barely get into it now, It's like a skin suit. New goal for 2024, lose some weight to fit that thing again!
3T is creating the "Italia" version of their bikes in Italy, with a new (Revolutionary?) technic, see many videos on YT. They are NOT cheap.
I'm not sure why nobody is mentioning it, but I think Cav didn't go for it because of the issue with drafting his team car earlier in the stage. He had words with the race referee and I think they probably told him that he was going to be penalized or something of that sort, so he just took himself out of it. That's my thought, but I could be wrong. Maybe he just didn't have the legs? But after the previous stage, I just don't think that was the issue.
It’s not a strong sprint field this year, but Cav’s 35 wins have been against some greats.
With regard to Chinese manufacturers beginning to market their own brand names, word on the street is, they are sick of western brands driving down the price they pay and then adding huge mark ups. We all know it happens, we all know it's not sustainable...
Wating on my xlabs frame thats 560g w full internal routing basically a fully integrated version of athos with more relaxed geometry
I honestly think you picked some poor choice of words over the whole Chinese part.
It's not so much that people need to get over any issues they have.
It seems to be more a case of, people need to understand any issues they have with the Chinese government and/or the few company's selling fake stuff and blatantly breaking patent laws. Doesn't define all Chinese people and businesses
The problem is what constitutes accepted business practice in China, which includes a tolerance for corruption that greatly reduces the chances of law enforcement action against knockoffs.
If it’s being sold offshore from China, Beijing may not see it as their problem.
Best get on the Go-Kat biscuits & Tuna Jimi, hit the gym, Emily's eyes starting to wander ! :) 🦇 👀
The glasses have now been banned.....
A big budget won't equate to wins its not like football or other sports where money is buying the best and that equates to victories
Pantani winning a time trial? Forgetting about Merlier and Milan? You can do better I would think 🙄
This series does _not_ suck
I am sorry..... But WHY did Jimmi have eggs in his shoe?! 😂
1:47 every big sprinter?? Sorry Tim Merlier? Olav Kooij? Jonathan Milan? Kaden Grooves?
Still no electrical tape on the guest mic ... ;-)
more risk averse- reluctant , careful
Less consolidation in the sport is better!
Francis, have you by chance ever fought in the American Civil War? -- serious question
All the big sprinters are at the rendezvous except the strongest of the season: TIM MERLIER!!!
Ive seen some X-Lab bikes in person and they are not your steriotypical Chinese frame. They are beautifully crafted pieces of kit, mainly the RS9.
The chain line is dictated by the spider, not the chainrings if I recall correctly.
Also, his chainring was a 55T, which isn’t available in 9200 even for pros.
That said, the 12 Speed chain is perfectly functional, and actually quieter than the 11 Speed chain on 9100.
Regarding 3T, they outsourcing most of the production to Taiwan, not china, but bikes made with waved tubes are made in Italy
Sorry Chris, but strongest sprint field is completely rubbish. Merlier has beaten Jasper several times this year. Milan looked beastly at Giro. Kooij a threat too.
No doubt a strong field but missing 3 out of top 10, poss even top 5
The only missing big sprinters are Jonathan Milan and Tim Merlier
+ Kooij!
@@thomassummers249 oh yes, totally forgot him! Imagine a sprint field where every one of these guys is racing
3t isn't just producing bike frames in Italy. The way the use carbon there is quite unique as it isn't the usual layup technic but woven, quite impressive engineering. And comes with a serious sticker...
Interesting that Cav and Jasper got "warned" for stage 5 sprint. Today Jasper religated, both Jasper and Cav fined and points taken away.
The reason why all Chinese bike look like Specialized because Specialized itself made in China. The moulding already there, is so easy to copy.
Great show. Love the content and the delivery. Keep up the good work team! Great insights.
A Chinese investor with loads of money buying a cycling team doesn't mean they will be willing to pay better salaries to the riders. The World knows they don't pay good wages and those people have to work like ants to make a living. We will see but I don't think this will be a silver lining move for Astana.
You guys have become my “go to” for TDF coverage, although I dip my toes into Lantern Rouge for some geekier analysis and Chris Horner for a racers perspective. Your coverage captures bits that are interesting, the delivery is fun, and your enthusiasm for the race is infectious.
Guys, Cube is huge on the continent. Great value for money and they are really hard to find as you have all the treks and giants thrown after you with big discounts. They are even sought after here in Belgium, the cycling Mekka.
Every big sprinter you can think of is here? Merlier, Milan, Kooij arent
Jonny Milan and Tim Merlier are both not there..........
It’s not a strong sprint field this year, but Cav’s 35 wins have been against some greats.
You cannot forget the absence of Merlier and Milan. Top sprinters but not in the Tour
Totally off subject Jimmy Field Music are you a fan ?
Don't forget there are a few others that may surprise us...
Philipsen relegated
VERY GOOD
WTH happened to Astana???
you never made your pick!!!
That green cube is stunning. Love the paint.
Yeah, all right. But where is this week’s WILD ONES PODCAST video?
They did say they will pause the normal podcast during the tour in favour of the pro show
Just luv her accent!
Had Merckx and Hainalt
timestamps
I know y’all aren’t American, but Sean Quinn’s bike for the 4th was exquisite
I came to the comments to say the same thing! It was sick and a special debut for the holiday. Super cool!
Chinese brand buying a World Tour team..... They just cannot stop interfering and destroying everything. It's what hey do., and to give them credit, they do it very well.
Ask Joe@chinacycling, he can settle the bet if the new Astana sponsor makes OEM frames currently
mid end and low end products of Trek are made by XDS.
Let's see the cycling terrain in a few years when intellectual property is no longer respected.
Giant is the OG OEM turned main brand.
The Artist Formally Known as Schwinn
Chain is dropping because he is running a very small front chainring since he can’t climb.
@@jrosesftv his team is saying he is using 9100 chainrings in 55-41 combination. I don’t think he is using 41. I suspect he is using a 39 or less. He is using a chain way too long. I would fire his whole mechanic staff if that shit happened in my watch. This is what happens when Shimano doesn’t support officially a team and “creative” mechanics get involved.
leave the paint jobs they’re all extra weight
£50m. Guess who’s paying for that?
Surprise! You Are. The consumer. So enjoy the ride… or, more correctly, getting ridden.
tell them, bro
Chinese company nobody has ever heard of taking over - sounds great. RIP Astana, need better rules, are there even any Chinese cyclists. Commercially driven rubbish like this will ultimately detract from the sport for sure
Vinegar will win all the TTs by 5 or 10 minutes at least.
sure