Yeaaaah wasn’t it ultimately too many chambers were breached and took on water? I’ve heard usually about 2 (forget the word) hull compartments can take on water and still float before it becomes an issue. Another ship made an error on not filling their empty fuel tank with seawater and it ended up listing on its side further than what it was designed to do when it collided with a ship, resulting in it sinking. You’re deffs right though
@@Missditabomb actually the fire might have actually given the titanic almost triple the amount of time before it sank. Because they had to move all of the coal to one side of the ship to stop the fire, the ship was balanced out keeping it from tipping inward and rolling over. Instead that’s why the bow sunk and the stern lifted out of the water which you wouldn’t think would happen with damage to just one side of the ship.
The type of damage "Olympic" suffered was the exact sort of damage that was envisioned when the ships were designed. The watertight compartments acted like they were supposed to.
Thanks for sharing. My grandmother was 11 years old when this happened. She was living in Chicago when this occurred and told how upset the people were. She gave me MANY history lessons before she died in 1975. RIP Grandma Frances.
They got ice warnings and were still going pretty quick. Even told another ship to shut up when they tried to warn titanic. Sad event that didnt have to happen.
@@Xb0x_XR i know why, philips was listening to a distant frequencey and the californian stepped on it surprised philips with the loud noise. Doesnt change the fact they should have listened to any of the previous ice warnings and not been going full speed at night. Buck stops with the captain at the end.
That's not the way I understood it. It was said that a message had gone to them but one of the workers put it on the desktop with a paperweight on it and was going to take it over to let them know but instead got caught up in worrying more about the passengers messages that were coming in and out and he got sidetracked and never delivered that message.
@@snealon802 Given that they had received several warnings about ice earlier in the day, I'm not sure another warning from the Californian would have made a difference.
@@alanluscombe8a553 the captain went further south than the course was supposed to to try to avoid it and it was common to go full speed back then until the need to slow down
It could have been a lot worse. Imagine if the ship hit the iceberg at the back of ship with the same number of compartments flooded. It would destroy the power and the engines causing the ship to sink faster as the center of mass of the ship is in the back of the ship. Many more would have died.
Because of the Titanic, todays modern sea safety precautions are realized and executed… Sometimes bad things need to happen for us to realize and improve.
Full speed, low visibility, near peak iceberg month, max probability iceberg area, night, cold, not enough lifeboats. Things were "doubtful" long before the captain ordered to be notified if anything became at all doubtful.
You are thinking in a 2021 mindset and not in 1912. Back in 1912 to nearly everyone Titanic was unsinkable. Also it was common practice for captains to move their ships through ice fields as fast as possible, so to quickly clear the ice field. Captain Smith did exactly as any other captain in 1912 would have done.
@@johnking5174 Captain of Californian did the opposite what you suggest, stopping completely to wait for better visibility in the morning. Cap. Titanic gambling with peoples lives, playing the odds. How does speed improve maneuverability?
@@StillChrist becouse it was in frount of them, titanic was not... yet that’s why they had look outs, they see iceberg ship slows and stops and manoeuvre out of the way, that’s the 1912 standed practice
Titanic was the safest luxury liner in the world, by far surpassing safety features of other Ocean liners. They even had more lifeboats than legally required. Sad thing is that back then you didn't need to have a lifeboat spot for everyone.
There's another Mistake the documentary didn't mention and that was 2nd officer Lightoller's decision to open the D deck gangway door on the portside to use to offload more passengers into Lifeboats being lowered. Inevitably this evacuation procedure wasn't used, but the door remained open of which caused a noticeable list in Titanic halfway through the sinking and undoubtedly increased the rate of water. After water reached D deck she had less than hour left.
That wouldn’t matter anyway because of the design in the bulkheads especially using iron 3 instead of iron 4. Titanic couldn’t within stand this impact. I don’t think opening the desk D gangway door would’ve mattered. Even if it remained closed, that wouldn’t help the lack of lifeboats and the design of the bulkheads. Not only that, the height of the bulkheads were lowered allowing more water to flood in. It flooded in more than 4 compartments. Titanic was weaker on it’s side, but stronger on the front. I think that’s why it was never mentioned in the documentary... it’s a design flaw rather than opening a door. Hypothetically, even if that saved time, what life boats would they use? Maybe the 44 they cut from the boat? Originally it was suppose to have 64... and they decided to have 20... such a dumb decision.
@@imtherealone.6268 Titanic was doomed the moment boiler room 6 and beyond was opened to sea water I agree, however the rate of the sinking would've been slower if it wasn't for this blunder. By how much, who knows but given the size of the door opening was roughly equal 30ft sq (just over double the total iceberg openings at 12 sq feet), this would've gravely increased the sinking rate. When water reached D deck outside, parts of the ship below was still dry hence reports from crew that water began flooding from above as water poured in through a few open portholes above the squash court and Turkish baths. I do personally think that whilst lifeboat capacity for all is essential, the Titanic wouldn't of had the time to launch all of them given collapsible A and B were practically washed off deck as the bridge submerged. Indeed lifeboats launched earlier on in the sinking were half or less than half full, so more boats would've left probably the same. Given the volume of water coming in Titanic held very well right up to the end, but time and ill judgement was against her passengers and crew that night.
@@tonycypriot9401 And do you know why it opened up the sides like a zipper causing water to flood in? The sinking wouldn't have happened if they didn't use weaker iron and made the sides weaker. Whether bulk heads were high or low, it comes down to what it was made of. The sinking doesn't have anything to do whether it's about Deck D or the boiler room or evacuation procedures. The binoculars being taken limiting the view from the crows nest is debatable, but like I said earlier, it comes down to a design flaw, nothing more given the fact iron 3 is weaker than iron 4. You know, if they made the sides stronger, the boat wouldn't have sinked like it did and more lives would've been saved....
My great grandfather Albert Horswill was a crewman on the RMS Titanic. He survived the wreck on cutter lifeboat number one. He was ordered into the boat by Second Officer Murdoch, on the less populated Starboard side. The lifeboat held 40 but it was let out to sea with only 12, 7 crewmen and 5 first class passengers. He and the crew were accused of taking a bribe from Cosmo Duff Gordon and his designer wife Lucy Duff Gordon to avoid returning to the wreck to pick up passengers because they were worried the lifeboat would be swamped and sink. This was not true, they were given 5 pounds each by Cosmo as merely a kind gesture to compensate the men for lost wages. White Star quit paying the men as soon as the ship went down.
Interesting video. I have always known that Titanic was basically the prime example of "a series of unfortunate events" but I had never known quite how true that statement was. There's so many things that if just one had been handled better, it may have never sank at all.
The Titanic was actually the 'sister' ship, OLYMPIC, which was IDENTICAL, and which was SCUTTLED for insurance $hekel$. The OLYMPIC needed many repairs to continue to be a money-maker. The owners decided it was cheaper to bait and switch, then ...SCUTTLE. Of course the media/'history' books are beLIEved by the majority of the dumbed down herd! Most of you cannot discern reality from TV. It was BLOWN UP with explosives in the hold. Many survivors HEARD the explosions before it started to sink.
@@mr.blackhawk142 Yeah that’s not what happened lol. You’re the one who got baited and switched. The Olympic switch theory as well known and been disproven.
The Captain of the Titanic chose speed over safety after the ship received telegrams that warned them of icebergs in the area. Can only imagine what was going through his mind when they determined the ship was doomed and both he and many people were going to die? It was a fool’s folly. This is why so many people are still intrigued by the story of this unsinkable ship. If they would have lowered their speed until daybreak they would have made it.
@@michaelrief4424 Well not only that but had the crows nest watchman had binoculars they may have seen it early enough, had they just rammed it head on, they would’ve been able to seal the front compartments. It was an absolute perfect storm of things, chain of events, that caused her demise. You’re right too, about him going full steam. That’s another of many things that if they were done slightly differently it probably wouldn’t have sunk.
@@djjazzyjeff1232 What a shame radar wasn’t around in that era. If it was they would have been able to steer around the iceberg well ahead of the collision. The other big factor was the iron plate that the ship was built from. It was much more brittle than steel plate. But the whole story is in the History books now and it’s old news. But some folks still don’t get it. I was in New York City a number of years ago at a Florist shop at Chelsea Market and there was a marble bollard out in front of their shop. The shop owner bragged that his father told him it was at the Pier where the Titanic tied up to back when his father worked on the shipping wharfs. You should have seen his face when I told him that the Titanic never made it to NYC.
I've read so much information over the years about the Titanic. This is the first time I've heard about passengers leaving port holes open when they left their rooms. At the time they weren't aware that the ship was sinking but it was still foolish knowing what a cold night it was.
Interior sections of a steamship could get pretty warm and stuffy, even with freezing temperatures outside. It wasn't uncommon on non-military ships for people (especially in the lower decks closer to the boilers) to open port holes and windows to get a little air. It wouldn't likely have made it uncomfortably cold inside, especially for the Scandinavian passengers, which made up a sizable portion of third class. There were regulations against leaving port holes open on military ships, but it happened anyway. Was a factor in the Britannic's sinking a few years later.
@@canadianfortrump4057 I'm no physicist or whatever, but my instinct says it's not likely it would have actually bought them enough time to make a difference for most of the people that ended up in water, since it only takes like 15 minutes to freeze to death, but those last two collapsible boats that were basically swept off the deck as the water rushed up would probably have had an easier time of it, maybe launching properly with neither ending up upside down or missing oars, they could even have been able to take on a few more people, but unfortunately we can only wonder
The fire was in boiler room 5. The Titanic was designed to stay afloat with any two joining compartments flooded. She could even stay afloat if three of her first five compartments were flooded. She could even stay afloat of the first four compartments were flooded. The iceberg tore open, the fore peak, numbers 1 and 2 holds, the mail room and boiler room 6 and two feet of boiler room 5. That is five compartments open to the sea long before the supposed weakness of coal chute of boiler room 5.
There wasn’t any breach of the bulkhead “E” caused by a fire. The door in the coal bunker gave way under the weight of the water that entered it thru the tear in the hull.
Night boat should heave to avoiding floating mines, ship containers accidently falling off containers ships floating, small trees , and slowly melting sheets of ice, flotsam, any buoyant object
yeah, was only a small opening to v sea finger width but ti was 300 foot long so to many compartnments were compramised, bad rivets was 1 of many reasons she founded.
I agree with most everything they say in this video, it is quite accurate. Except one thing: the binoculars. No doubt, the lookouts should have had access to their own pair of binoculars, because it could’ve helped them spot an iceberg in the daytime. But I don’t think it would’ve helped very much that night. And it would’ve helped even less if there a haze-like optical illusion. The lookouts were in the wrong place to spot an iceberg at night, they should’ve been closer to the bow and closer to being at surface level with the sea. Then they could’ve used the starlight to help them see the horizon and the berg’s outline. But from the crow’s nest, on a moonless night, they couldn’t tell where the sea and the sky come together.
There were actually a set of lookouts posted on the ship's forecastle that night by either Captain Smith before leaving for dinner or by 1st Officer Murdoch upon taking up his watch at 10:00 PM. Despite myths to the contrary Smith and the bridge were fully cognizant of the fact that ice hazards would be in the general vicinity of the sea they would be navigating through. Two southerly course adjustments to the liner had already been executed by Smith putting the liner's charted course towards New York City to the south of the ice field as they understood it to exist which had been plotted by Smith and either Boxhall or Moody (I forget which one...) in the chart room based on the multiple ice warnings radioed in earlier that day along with their corresponding coordinates. Smith felt fairly confident they were south of the icefield and in the possible event an iceberg lay in the path of the liner the lookouts would of course identify the hazard well early enough to allow for an evasive maneuver with time to spare. Of course they hadn't counted on the unusual atmospheric visual illusions that were present that night.
@@RobbyHouseIV That's really interesting. But then why didn't those forecastle lookouts give the first alarm? Probably Smith should have taken the rather extreme measure of giving them a gun to, say, fire three times if they saw an iceberg ahead.
Yeah I've been on the sea at night, it's terrifying to try and discern where the sky meets the water. I remember only being about to see the water about 50 miles out? The moon was around last quarter I wanna say, def was there but wasn't too bright
1:08- For 75 years, it was believed that the burg cut a 300 foot hole in its right side. The discovered only in the past two decades via sonar that the damage created by the burg was 12 square feet of popped rivets. Later they made another discovery. Not only did she sideswipe it but ran over it as well. They also found it had a double Hull! It took several dives to find both pieces!
Glad you were paying attention. The ship’s discovery in 1985 also put to rest the controversy about its final moments. That’s when they found out that Titanic had in fact split apart as she sank.
She was double bottomed not a total double hull design if she was a full double hull she wouldn't have foundered as the inner hull wouldn't have been punctured
@@timothyreed8417 actually Harlan and Wolfe plans show a double bottom on all three sisters. The Olympic and Britainic were retrofitted after the RMS Titanic sank. The Water Tight compartments were raised and capped. The number of lifeboats were increased and other safety measures were done. If the Titanic had a true double hull construction she would have developed a list and needed help and repair but would have sunk.
@@kirkmorrison6131 the same basic hull plans were used for all three ships: “The Olympic” class. Many changes made to Titanic, were things learned from the sailing of Olympic. After titanic sank many changes made to olympic to upgrade. Britannic was an upgrade of olympic. What happened to titanic was the culmination of many small and insignificant events, that taken separately, would have had impact. But taken together……
For a freak accident there were so many things that ensured she'd sink and as many people as possible would die. Years of many human errors pushed her headlong to make history, to make headlines. To rush. The weather earlier in the year caused the icebergs to be further south than normal. Human pride, greed and arrogance did the rest.
yeah sometimes i wonder if they'd seen it just a little bit *later*, they might have hit it head on and caused less damage But equally, if they saw it just a little bit earlier, they may have missed it entirely
When Lightoller told the court "everything was against us" the court was not impressed and the notion persisted that the accident was yes of the 1/1,000,000 variety
I had the unique experience of testing samples of the Titanic's hull brought up by Dr. Ballard. He brought it to the Newport News Shipbuilding laboratory for testing. The tensile strength was reasonable for what was referred to as "free machining" steel, which contains a bit of sulfur. Unfortunately the sulfur forms strings in the steel resulting in weak areas similar to perforations in a cardboard box. The real eye opener though were the Charpy impact tests where a 10mm square bar is notched on one side to provide a weak spot. It is struck with a hammer in a special machine and can be heated or cooled for the test. I tested them at 30° F, the water temperature in the North Atlantic the night of the sinking. The specimens broke like they were made of glass. I do not remember the values, but they were low enough to be very alarming, in addition to the cold worked rivets with slag inclusions, the hull plates would have shattered rather then tear, needing little force to open a long gash.
@@DilanGilluly Possibly, but not very likely as regards to the Charpy impact specimens. These were as close to centered between the inner and outer faces of the hull plate section as possible to minimize the effects of immersion.
An interesting little tidbit of knowledge. However I dont think it has much merit. We've known for a century or more that the total area of hull damaged was about 3sq/ft. Infact if you look closely at the mosaic of the bow section you can just about see an opening just above the mud line on the starboard side before the bow disappears into the mud. This slit/opening is roughly where tje coal bunker of boiler room 5 is. Meaning it could very well be iceberg damage
if the titanic had hit the iceberg head on there is also just as great a chance that it would have sunk faster and badly injured multiple passengers from the sudden stop of the ship. Bulkheads weren’t designed for ramming into icebergs- the best they could do is survive a collision with another ship and ships are movable and much lighter objects. This means that the entire ship would bear the impact- making it more likely to split apart at the seams. The watertight doors also risk being jammed open. Heading straight for the iceberg at full speed means taking responsibility for numerous deaths even if the ship can still somehow float.
Something else not mentioned here is that the ship stopped shortly after hitting the berg. Then apparently Captain Smith ordered the ship to start moving again, and the Titanic sailed for about 10-15 minutes at around 10 knots after hitting the berg. This would have forced water into the ship, likely speeding up the sinking of the ship.
@@connorericksonmusic Thing is, that is in the written testimony. Every commentator since then has either overlooked or ignored this small but extremely vital detail.
@@TimeMasterOG Yes, but he was on the bridge after the Titanic came to a full stop. After a preliminary cursory check for possible damage had been done, he then ordered the ship to start moving again, around 5-15 minutes after the collision.
@@nicholasconder4703 The Titanic did not sink. It was made to sink and no one died. 3 days after April 15, that is, on April 18, 1912, it was written in all newspapers and other country newspapers that "all the passengers and crew were saved". But this false narrative still continues. The ship remained there for 7 - 8 years and then after repairs and some modifications in Germany, it was given to England.
he didnt tell him to go away when he was told about the iceberg field that message was a long time earlier - he was actually told to be quiet after the radio was just fixed and the operator was going through the mass pile of messages.
The issue was the wireless operators weren’t employed by white star line they were a separate company who were employed to send telegrams to and from passengers!
In 1912, radio was still a novelty and there weren't many regulations about it. That's why the Californian operator just turned it off for the night. And according to one version of the movie "S.O.S. Titanic", the Carpathia operator was just about to turn in and only got the message at the last moment by accident; don't know if that's true or not. One of the changes made after the Titanic inquiry was a 24-hour radio watch.
More than that. Loads of things were at fault. The design, White Star Line, the captain, Murdock. The wireless operator, the Californian. Loads of things cause the boat to sink.
@@LittleImpaler Well the California operator told him multiple times that hey there is ice before going to bed. Because of high frequency the Titanic operator was getting head aches from it so he asked them to stop communicating. Additionally it was rather natural for wireless operators to go to bed and turn of the wireless at the time, today you have 247 people who take calls and listen to other ships. Plus California was a scapegoat for Titanic. In reality they were farther away. But people eat up that drama with a nearby ship that just never came and ignored Titanic.
The coal fire theory was debunked years ago. Without loads of oxygen there was no way a smoldering coal fire could reach the necessary temperature to damage the bulkhead.
Derrick Laurie that was common on ships back then. The fire did not contribute to the ship sinking in any way. Survivor testimony (3 separate corroborating testimonies) and lab testing on the steel proves the bulkhead didn’t fail. There’s zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
I can read off the internet aswell, you must have missed the testimony of chief fireman fred barret, who witnessed the fire and observed the damage to the bulkhead, and described a wall of water bursting in from boiler room 6 into boiler room 5, 2 hours after the iceberg hit, but im sure you know better than him
@Derrick Laurie Internet? Nope. I've been studying this class of ship for the better part of a decade and a half... You should read his statement more carefully. George Beauchamp said he saw water in the bunker on the aft side of bulkhead E, right after the collision. So that bunker was already perforated by the iceberg. This means water was on the other side of the bulkhead that had the fire. Barret said he never saw a bulkhead fail... he saw the water at 1:10am, then climbed the ladder to Scotland Road, where he also observed water, which means it was over the boiler room by this time. This is also confirmed by Steward Weat just 20 minutes prior, who spotted water flowing from E-Deck to F-Deck when he was helping evacuate the Turkish Bathes. This location is roughly 50-60 feet aft of where Barret was. The rush of water was most likely caused by the coal bunker doors failing... they were not designed to be water-tight. The bulkhead did not fail... basic physics, chemistry, eye witness accounts, and lab testing have already proved it didn't. This theory is dead.
A quick short video describing all the fatal issues that took place that night. Including, the bunker fire, the messages between the California and the titanic. And also the Maroge making it harder to see the water at the iceberg. As another person said, they were surprised to hear about the port holes being left open. That was a new one on me as well.
Same, I never heard of port holes being left open. It's crazy if that alone really doubled the water intake. So much happened to go wrong on the Titanic.
From what I've read and documentaries I've seen, one unforeseen problem (I'll call it no. 11 with an asterisk) was the weather conditions that year that caused an unusual number of icebergs to calve and also allowed them to float more or less intact farther south than usual, well into the shipping lanes. The warnings of ice probably should have alerted the captain to the dangers, but weather forecasts were iffy at that time on land, let alone in the remote north Atlantic. Probably the White Star Line made a misjudgment in starting the sailing season quite so early, but the transatlantic liner season was only about half a year, so I suppose they needed to stretch the season as much as possible to make the expenditure on a luxury vessel worthwhile. Also (I'm calling this no. 12) wasn't there an intense rivalry between the shipping companies at the time, and pressure on the White Star Line owners and executives to set a speed record as a publicity stunt but also to attract the rich passengers? This sort of rivalry lasted for decades more, as I remember the Cunard Line with its Queen liners and a French line and an American line (with the "United States") were always trying to break the speed record. Thus the pressure on a captain to sail too fast for the conditions, in hindsight, of course, incredibly reckless.
small question to bring up for the speed thing you mentioned. How fast was the Titanic sailing at that night? I heard from somewhere that she was going at a normal speed and she hadn't even had the chance to get one of the boiler rooms up and running before she went down.
yes, aslo if it was ave or poor weather v berg would have been seen as waves breaking on it n v ship wold hve reduced speed 4 paresger comfort. no colision wood hve happend, it was still
The Titanic did not sink. It was made to sink and no one died. 3 days after April 15, that is, on April 18, 1912, it was written in all newspapers and other country newspapers that "all the passengers and crew were saved". But this false narrative still continues. The ship remained there for 7 - 8 years and then after repairs and some modifications in Germany, it was given to England.
@@mehmetdenek5830 How do you explain that some very prominent rich people were not seen again after what you are calling the non-sinking of the Titanic? Were the hundreds of missing (rich and poor) interned somewhere for the rest of their lives? Or assassinated? If the Titanic did not sink, what is the very large ship found at the bottom of the Atlantic in the area where the Titanic (according to you non-sunken) was lost? What about the artifacts brought up from the wreckage? Are they all fake--faked well enough to deceive experts?
@@elainechubb971 1 - It became The RMS Majestic, which they claim was laid down in 1913. Just one year after Titanic " sank " It didn't operate until 1920 though. They sent it to Hamburg port for the war. A few minor changes were made to " disguise " it from Titanic. Then Germany " gave " it to Britain.
The coal bunker fire is actually largely irrelevant. Even without the damage to the coal bunker she would've been doomed. She could stay afloat with any two, Any three of the first five or even the first four in a row and not sink. The iceberg opened the Forepeak tank Hold 1, Hold 2 and Hold 3... As well as boiler room six... Five compartments, one more than she could manage and therefore was destined to founder no matter what . The 2ft opening in the coalbunker of BR.5 only slightly hastened her demise. As is the case with the rivets. In 2012 they tested the strength of the rivets. Built to the exact spesification of wrought iron as they did in 1912. A small sample "seam" was constructed and subjected to a stress test. The steel itself bent before they gave up, with only one or two rivets failing. The force of impact was simply too great and even a modern rivet made of the highest quality steel likely would've failed from the sheer force.
@@victormanuelbisbee7449 Are you referring to a scenario where boiler room six somehow remains undamaged, but the coal bunker of BR.5 is still breached? Because if neither of those two compartments are breached then the ship will not sink. She could survive the first four in a row breached. However if you mean that the coal bunker is punctured by the iceberg... I think she might survive long enough for Carpathia to arrive, possibly. All of Titanic's pumps could pump out 1700 tons of water an hour out. I dont know how fast water would flood into the coal bunker from a 2ft opening but I could assume it's less than that, which would be enough to keep her afloat as long as the pumps continue to keep the coal bunker dry.
@@SQUAREHEADSAM1912 That is very true. I guess I'm just worried that the weight of the water in the coal bunker, should the pumps prove inadequate to keep it dry, or water to a minimum will cause her to go further down by the head, causing the water to spill into boiler room six once the water had filled them up.
@@niki75 no they said water was pouring in 15x faster than the pumps could pump out so the pumps wouldn’t of worked. The pressure and everything just came threw especially with water it just doesn’t stop it can get into anywhere and fast and them pumps couldn’t keep up . They talked about it in another documentary that the water was coming in way to fast their was no stopping it and the pumps couldn’t catch up .
So the coal bunker fire was between 500 - 1000 degrees celsius. Ok, you do realise that those temperatures would have caused the first class swimming bath to quite literally boil as it was located directly above the coal bunker plus if those temperatures were present then the firemen and trimmers would have needed full body ppe just to approach it. I saw this tonight and although it uses Titanic: Honour and Glory's animations, does not use their or the Titanic community's research but instead the usual sensational myths that have already been debunked. Go read "On a Sea of Glass".
The best way to describe the Titanic disaster is that it was not caused by one single cataclysm but by a series of little things - miscalculations, errors in judgment, unexpected events that could not be foreseen, etc. that combined to doom the ship and more than two-thirds of her passengers.
The coal bunker fire has been debunked, that did not cause enough heat warping to be the reason the bulkhead failed. Watched two separate videos on it both using extensive sources. The fire was at best a smolder with coals and not a raging inferno as this video suggests. Also there was no order to reverse engines. Murdoch knew the best course of action was to "hard-a starboard", meaning to turn left due to how the helm worked, and then order "all stop" to let the rudder do its job. The thing with the size of Titanic is that nothing is instantaneous or even relatively quick.
The ship was doomed from the start. Sadly though, if only one of these mistakes/issues had been addressed, she might not have struck the iceberg at all.
That's a very hard "maybe". In any case, they were stopped in order to avoid shearing off the blades if they were to clip the iceberg. This is what the officers were trained to do. Remember that ships turn from the rear, and it would have been a very near miss had they been able to avoid it. There would have been no room for error, so in that case it could easily have been the stern that hit the iceberg rather than the bow, in which case the propellers would have been destroyed.
It definitely would’ve turned quicker but it’s still a maybe if it would’ve hit the ice berg or not. They probably would’ve had a higher chance of not hitting it if they wouldn’t have stopped the propellers
Nope it's not that. When you turn the bow the stern swings right into the berg. They saved the stern so they didnt damage the propellers but the bow was hit. In that situation they would have had to turn way ahead of time. It didn't have anything to do with propellers.
@@simonbaker9386 That would take awhile since it doesn't brake so with the theory of motion it would continue on at its speed losing it much much later.
I've actually been on the Queen Mary! I went to California for one of those out of state field trips with my high school band and orchestra and we stayed inside Queen Mary. Luxurious experience but kind of horrifying because it reminded me of the Titanic!
How different things would have been. If it happened during the afternoon. Then the iceberg, would have been spotted sooner. Then change course in time.
The Titanic was already running late. Stopping for the night or just slowing down would have increased the delay. Arriving 6-8 hours late would have ruined its reputation and was out of question: too many rich people with business appointments, too many migrants waiting to register, etc. Now, that doesn't mean the captain was intentionally sailing blindly at full speed through icebergs. In fact, Smith had changed course during the day to get around the tip of the icefield. So he thought he must have cleared the ice by the night fall. Instead, the Titanic was already sailing right through the icebergs, they must have passed several without even noticing them - the lookouts were not even looking sideways. When Carpathia arrived, there was a big pack of floating wooden debris from the Titanic : this pack of debris was floating right in the middle of several icebergs which Carpathia had a hard time navigating through.
Well done. Some fantastic research . How all the tangibles added up. The Captains false confidence in the ships construction . The chemistry of the iron vs. steel rivets. The fire in the coal bin. The optical illusion the look outs faced. The Marconi operators situation. Amazing research ! So well done !
The "RUSH" to get somewhere faster than necessary just because the Captain wanted to. Then he decides to have a seafood platter...the fish get their vengeance.
My grandad told me that he got to see the titanic and from the beginning he was shouting "don't get on that ship" he repeatedly shouted this until he was kicked out of the cinemas
most of the damage is below the waterline. Armoured cruisers of the day were built with large rams that were below the waterline and Hawke's ram went straight into Olympic.
One thing that's always confused me is that these compartments are always described as watertight but if the water reaches the top, the water simply spills over into the next compartment. So, why were they considered watertight?
Yeah I never understood that either. It seems like if they sealed the tops of them once the compartments filled the sinking would at least slow significantly, giving passengers more time to be rescued. Instead they just overflow and the ship sinks like they were not even "water tight" to begin with.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 The way it's described most often is the "icecube tray" analogy, where you imagine an icecube tray filling with water that spills from one 'compartment' to the next. But this analogy doesn't work very well, because it creates the false idea that the Titanic's hull was a single, long, totally open space with walls that didn't reach the ceiling. In fact, the hull WAS sealed, there were normal decks, walls, and flooring sealing each compartment totally. But the sealing wasn't watertight. The "watertight-ness" is created by ensuring a waterproof sealant is used to cap the joining line where the bulkhead meets the decks below and above it. Remember in the movie, when Jack is handcuffed to the air piping in the Master-at-Arms' office, and water starts coming in? Pay close attention to this scene and you'll notice that the water isn't coming in under a door, it's coming in *under the walls*. That's because these are just normal walls, made with normal dry sealant, which is only airtight. Water can soak it and seep right through, no problem. The sealant along the watertight bulkheads was waterproof. Another issue many may not realize is that the watertight bulkheads had watertight doors that could seal totally closed and stop any flow of water - but the walls above E Deck didn't have watertight doors, only regular doors, which did have small spaces in the frames that held the door. This is another factor that allowed more flooding in the ship
They would have been watertight if only up to 4 of the front compartments or any other two compartments had been taking up water. They did not need to have a watertight ceiling because the tops of the bulkheads that separated the watertight compartments were well above the waterline. The weight of the water, say only in the first watertight compartments would physically not have been able to push the bow down enough for the ship to tilt enough so that the aft bulkhead of compartment No. 4 would be pushed below the water line, meaning water would not have been able to spill over into compartments No. 5 and then from there to No. 6 and so on. So while the bow would've been pushed down considerably, the ship would've been able to stay afloat pretty much indefinitely.
While working offshore Newfoundland, Canada (1980's) on an Oil Drilling Platform we would see the Queen Elizabeth 2 ocean liner come up over horizon to the south and then curve away and disappear to the west on her regular run to USA. That spring we had lots of ice, Bergy Bits, Growlers and larger Ice Bergs. The radio operator had been sending out warnings to vessels in the area. Apparently he had raised the QE 2 and got the reply back that, "We are the QE 2 and we do not require your assistance". Seventy years after the Titanic sank in the same area, the same arrogance and stupidity! It was only a little later that we were testing the wells around Hibernia and had three rigs testing and Flaring off produced gas and oil at the same time! We had to warn liners away as they broke off their set courses and actually circled the rigs so passengers could get a First Class look at the burning flares! All three rigs were anchored and the ships were coming inside the anchor perimeters! Pretty lights!!!!
I have a radio control model boat with three motors and two rudders (no center rudder). When I tried running that model with just the center motor going I was amazed at how much longer it took to start turning especially in reverse. I often wonder if the Titanic had gone full speed ahead with the center prop turning and the resultant strong flow of water hitting the rudder if she would have avoided the iceberg entirely?
They most likely would've given the fact the Titanic nearly avoided the Iceberg and that's why it scratched the side of it. If they had just turned and left it being full speed ahead, they most certainly would've avoided the significant damage that caused the Titanic to sink.
Wow, everything seemed to work against the ship. The crew should have instructed people to close the portholes in their rooms before leaving (or checked them themselves). In fact, given how cold it was, I'm surprised the passengers left them open any length of time, since cold air would have rushing in from outside. They wouldn't leave a window open in their home in freezing weather & go somewhere. It always seems like people have to die for humans to learn from their mistakes & change policies, training, & equipment to make things safer.
The overall point fits, but on this one I think you're in the picky category rather than profound. I don't know if you've ever had to hurricane-prep your home or been where there are tornadoes, but there was this notion for a long time that you needed to open the windows to help balance out the pressure as a tornado spins through in order to stave off explosive structure failure. However, you are much more likely to be hideously injured or killed while you are fiddling around at windows--the most dangerous exposure in a storm--rather than hitting it to your basement, interior closet, or even the bathtub for shelter, especially since there are so many other ways that damage will become catastrophic that your house and/or you are goners that the pressure thing won't be a worry anymore. Hurricane wisdom goes through similar flip flops. Many people to this day put criss-cross strips of tape across windows, because they think they're preventing b
Did Brunel boats slow at night? 5 or 6 masts on Great Eastern allow a slower speed. There are no Speed Limit signs out in big Lake or Ocean What damage would ocurr at Speed of 1, 2, 3 knots ?
scuttles would b open due to bad smell, lack of oxygen n lots co2, its a steel room wit alot of people in it, no ac in vos days. yes humans r poor visionaries n capos make bad decisions resulting ion bad tings happening.
@@davidharrison3711 obviously, James Cameron wasn’t going to focus entirely on the sinking. He said “if you couldn’t appreciate the ship, then you couldn’t appreciate the sinking.” He wanted to show what life was like onboard in those four days before the collision occurred. So that when it happened, it would have as much of an impact on the audience as the iceberg did on the ship itself.
It most definitely is. I'd recognise that footage anywhere. It's a shame that the documentary speaks about a number of otherwise debunked theories given how hard the THG guys have been trying to put a lot of them to rest.
@@adamlea6339 I mean technically yeah, but like... like I agree with your point but I feel like that example doesn't really accurately express it. Hear me out, okay, so according to the current estimates, 118 first class men died, and 89 third class women died, a difference of 29, but there were also less third class women than first class men in the first place, so the ratio for this particular example isn't really all that helpful to your point on its own. Still favors the women, just not by that much. I think an alternative statistic that demonstrates your point much better is third class women and children combined (244 total, 103 survived, 141 died) compared to *second* class men (168 total, 14 survived, 154 died)
@@adamlea6339 Actually heck just third class women (165 total, 76 survived, 89 died) demonstrates it even better. Almost half versus almost none. I'm not sure why I added the kids in there...
@@adamlea6339 Actually, first-class men died too. I've seen the memorial plaque just inside the side entrance to Macy's on 34th St. in NYC (the flagship store). It's to the two Strauses, members of the family that owned Macy's and Abraham & Straus. They were elderly, and he refused to get into a lifeboat because "women and children first," and she refused to get into one without him, because they had been married so long and she wouldn't leave him. So they both went down with the ship. This incident is in the film "A Night to Remember" (by far the best Titanic film, in my opinion).
I was in the navy and had to stand lookout watches, I'm telling you, some nights I couldn't even see an inch in from of my face, if it wasn't on radar we didn't see it..
Very VERY inaccurate claims with zero evidence to back it up. Brittle rivets? No. This has been disproved multiple times. Fire made no difference to whether or not the ship sank. Turned off at this point..
well i think they just included the fire to make it an even 10 things rivets i dont reli know what titanics rivets were made off.... - but it is a fact that iron is more brittle than steel. look it up. this is a fact but everything else ive also heard in other documentaries aswell especially the water mirage. I think you're being really unfair saying this video is very very inaccurate.
Yep; William Pirrie end-rounded and overruled Titanic’s original designer, Alexander Carlisle, on lifeboat accommodations (which led to Carlisle resigning from H & W in protest of it), and look what happened; I wonder how Pirrie felt after Carlisle was ultimately proven right
@aard apel Carlisle’s original lifeboat provision was 64, enough for every soul on board, passengers AND crew; Pirrie went over Carlisle’s head and cut the provision from 64 to 16, enough for only HALF the people on board, because he assumed that the passengers would be both frightened by the sight of all the extra lifeboats and annoyed by the lack of deck space because of them; he added the four collapsible boats in an attempt to placate Carlisle, but, it didn’t work and Carlisle still resigned
@StarShyn it would have been enormously expensive and impractical unfortunately. Not to mention the rivets would have still popped under the pressure. That thing said titanium has fantastic heat resistant properties and likely would not have been deformed like the iron did with the coal fire.
@Dean Keepers there were TWENTY lifeboats in total onboard (16 wooden hulls, 4 collapsibles), and yes, Pirrie WAS following the law; all Carlisle was trying to get Pirrie to see was that there was literally nothing wrong with exceeding the BBoT’s regulations and realising, through common sense, that there was no way to get 2200 to 2500 people into just 16 lifeboats. Pirrie did not want to do anything beyond the bare minimum if he believed it to be detrimental to Titanic’s profit-making potential
@Dean Keepers Yes, that was standard procedure, but, like Carlisle told Pirrie, and I completely agree, the first rule of safety is to think of the unthinkable. Carlisle wanted H&W to do everything in THEIR power to account for any eventuality should Titanic experience a vital disaster while at sea, however unlikely to happen that might be. Why did she break in two and sink? Because she encountered a scenario that she literally wasn’t designed to withstand
A lot of the information in the video is false so if your writing a essay about the Titanic go to Titanic Honor and Glory’s channel they have accurate information
If the titanic had hit the iceberg head on like a car collision, that definitely would have been more than a slight Bump the passengers felt!! Just like a car collision people would have been suddenly hurled & flung!! I'm not sure that would've been any better.
My grandma before she passed on told me that my Grandpa tried to tell people the Titanic was gonna sink.But nobody was listening. Undeterred, she said he tried again and told people the ship was gonna sink. Finally, they had enough, called the theater manager and they kicked my grandpa out of the movie theater :( _ _ _
The biggest mistake: The arrogance of Bruce Ismay. He pressured the crew to go almost full speed not to be "delayed" for their triumphant arrival in New York. As head of the company his word was pretty much the law
@@darthkurland ofc he did But he wasn't a coward And it certainly was NOT his fault He simply just asked the professionals if the titanic can go any faster He never insisted upon it He only saved his life and jumped in a life boat when everyone was already in after he himself helped them to get in
“Some people survived Titanic, but they didn’t SURVIVE Titanic”…. The guilt, seeing the images in your mind for the rest of your life, images of thousands of people in the water screaming and grabbing at your life boat and yours sailing away while hearing the screams, no longer seeing them😢 Similar to what happened to Rose’s fiancé in the movie at the end…. He survived but he also didn’t….
@@GeorgiosD90 yes, there is a big light in the bow of the Titanic. Look the circle near the top of the pointed front of it. The captain chose not to use it
@@steveyeager6177 That is because you cannot use a light, when there is nothing for the light to reflect on and the distance the light can travel would not be far enough to be able to see an iceberg sooner. If something would be useful, people do not choose not to use it for absolutely no reason. Simple.
@@GeorgiosD90 the captain chose not to use the bow light because he was old and the light on a ship was new. Having the light, comparable to the light on a train, would allow you to see much farther ahead than with no light. That's why cars have them.
you forgot one thing when murdoch said hard to starboard the one controlling the wheel of the ship turn into hard to port instead of hard to starboard you can also notice it in titanic 1997 movie
I had read that the helmsman on Titanic had previously (for a long time) been a helmsman on a sailing ship. On sailing ships the helmsman faced the rear, because he couldn't see forward between the sails. So when you want to go to port (left) and you're facing rear, you spin the wheel to the right (which would be to the left if you're facing forward) and when he was told "hard to port" he spun the wheel to the right, which was starboard, out of trained reflex action, and the ship momentarily turned to starboard (right) before the mistake was caught. and then he turned the wheel left. But this was a long-enough delay that the ship hit the iceberg instead of just narrowly missing it, off to its right (starboard). Confusing.? Turn left right here. This scenario is very plausible.
According to James Cameron, the faster a ship is going forward, the faster it can turn. If they had kept going forward and not reversed the engines, they might have just missed the iceberg entirely.
Hitting the iceberg head on would be unwise. But if you’re Captain Picard against the Scimitar, you re-route all power to Structural Integrity Field and ram it head on. Too bad Structural Integrity Field is just science fiction in Star Trek.
@@tuunaes But why WOULDN'T they try to AVOID the berg? This may shock you but unless they involve war ships, ships tend to try to NOT hit the object in front of them. Even Concordia tried to avoid the rocks once they got too close. Pick any (non-war related) ship-on-ship collision and odds are they tried to AVOID hitting each other. Plus with the crush people estimate that pretty much every person in the bow (or at least 80-100 ft in) would be killed and hundreds more injured getting injured from the sudden stop, all of which would result in criminal charges against the officers and crew that were on the bridge since they would be questioned about why did they NOT try to avoid the iceberg.
@@1993digifan Corcordia doesn't count in this, because that was pure bottom contact... Except for bottom being ripped open from too long distance just like Titanic's side resulting in uncontrollable flooding. And while gut feeling indeed would say to avoid head on collision at any cost, well built ships can actually survive big collision to bow, which is also the least "populated" area of passenger ship. Also submarines have had head on collisions, like USN San Fransisco colliding to underwater sea mount.
These mistakes that sealed Titanic's fate: 1. Racing ships' mistake in narrow channel. 2. Delayed maiden voyage for Olympic repairs. 3. Common practice for Trans Atlantic liners at full steam across the North Atlantic. 4. No binoculars meant to spot icebergs afar that were missed before left Southampton. 5. Bunker fire in Boiler Rm 5 that weakened hull. 6. Missed two vital ice warnings that never reached captain. With the last told to "Keep out, I'm working Cape Race." 7. Brittle rivets that weakened strength of hull in freezing waters. 8. Conning tower spotted iceberg too late for ship to turn away or reverse engines. 9. Damage from collision breached five compartments. Ship only designed to stay afloat with four compartments; Watertight doors too short designed to reach up to E-deck. 10. Open portholes by confused passengers in initial moments of sinking. Likely hastened ship's flooding.
They ignored far more than two ice warnings. Carpathia, Baltic, Amerika, Californian, Caronia, and the Mesaba. I haven't included all the other warnings from dozens of other ships. The last, most important warning was the second one sent by the Mesaba. That one ended up under a paperweight and never made it to the bridge. One of the messages sent by the Amerika was to the U.S Hydrographic Office in D.C. Amerika passed two large icebergs and included co-ordinates. That one didn't make it to the bridge, either. Another of the warning messages was shown to passengers before it ended up on the chartboard, after which Captain Smith asked for it back.
@@sitnspin1819 Well, yes there were a dozen ice warnings before Titanic hit the iceberg. As there were just as many ships who answered her distress after. But only Carpathia was the only ship who braved her way through to Titanic that night to find her lifeboats the next morning, but was too late to save Titanic itself by then. Most other ships who answered her distress either refused to risk themselves through ice that night, too far/too slow to reach her sooner than 4 hours, or had their radio turned off while Titanic sank (which Californian was not the only one who never answered Titanic's distress but yes was asleep while she sank.)
@@michaeldavis29 The Carpathia, aside from the Californian, was 4 hours away while others were much further. One of the boats was at a complete stop as they were surrounded by ice field, growlers, and icebergs. The Carpathia only made it due to the experience of a crew that had full faith in their rock solid Captain. If the Titanic had an actual captain, not a Millionaires Captain, then perhaps we wouldn't be talking about this at all. Captain Smith is no hero.
@@silence3314 If anything, binoculars would have hindered the efforts of the lookouts to locate icebergs because binoculars limit your field of vision.
The fact that Lifeboat 1 only had 12 people on it cuz people were still skeptical that the boat would sink but shortly after it became more obvious that it would sink panic started an the boats being filled like 50 an 60 people on it
#7 too was another amongst many that were lowered less than full. #7 was the first boat lowered and it was the one that took William Thompson Sloper who allegedly got off dressed as a woman. He never did . What happened, he was the first to register at the Waldorf-Astoria and the press totally knew so of course there was tons of reporters waiting and hoping for the scoop of a lifetime. His brother Harald and his dad who were there with him also kept telling reporters no (since William had already scribbled an exclusive for a friend of his) but the reporters being the way they oftentimes are started being more pushy and Harald intervening "perhaps a bit too forcefully" according to Walter Lord. (I wonder if Harald maybe told them to get lost?) Anyway the one reporter there from the New York Herald thought he would use the incident to what he thought was a way of teaching the Slopers more respect for the press. He put a story together which stated - guess what - that William Thompson Sloper left the sinking Titanic dressed as a woman
Titanic has been underwater for almost 110 years. With next year marking not only that anniversary, but the 25th anniversary of James Cameron’s film, I don’t think we’ll ever forget.
Stop spreading misinformation and assume things. That’s absolutely false. The wireless on Titanic was working with cape race, several miles away. The Californian was jamming the signal and making a horrendous noise. Obviously if someone screamed in your ear while you’re on a phone call, you’d tell them to shut up. That’s the present-day equivalent of it. They weren’t “””ignorant”””” or thought the ship was i “””unsinkable”””. No one did. It was simply a press thing.
@@hazyhope._. exactly plus the second to last before Californian didn't have MSG and all prior with MSG inspired Smith to CHANGE course ironically into a worse pack. If he'd been the careless captain some want to paint him as he'd have stayed on course and probably survived.
@@HagiaFantasia Oh shut up. The Switch Theory is absolutely insane. Titanic was under-insured by 3 Million 1912 dollars. By the way, they didn't ignore the ice warnings if you do even the slightest bit of research. They changed courses.
Actually that is not the case, they didn’t ignored the warnings, they were aware of them and plus the captain moved the titanic’s course more south to avoid the ice.
One: Failed to keep on top of the ice warning situation by insuring further warnings got to the bridge once they started coming in. Two: Failed to reduce speed significantly as they approached the area of concern. Three: The captain of the vessel likely should of been on the bridge to supervise any emergency response that may be required once they reached the area in question. Four: One of the five spare sets of binoculars available from the bridge should of been provided to the crowd nest. Five: Don't try to execute an emergency turn to port, and stop an ocean liner at the same time!
One more thing - but Smith would have had to be creative - put an extra pair of lookouts at the bow of the ship, with binoculars (one of the pair would use them to look only straight ahead), and give them a way to send an immediate alarm to the bridge - like firing a gun twice if it was not certain a yell would suffice. But yeah not slowing down, and (apparently) not talking through ahead of time what to do if an iceberg was seen, were the biggest faults.
It's been pretty well established that the titanic didn't reverse when approaching the iceberg. The officers would have known that the rudder wouldn't be effective at turning the ship if the propellers were in reverse. All stop is what historians think was the actual order given, not full-steam astern. Had they reversed the titanic likely wouldn't have turned very much and she would have essentially sailed straight into the iceberg. People believe the story got corrupted when Lightoller recounted the sinking in the 1930's.
Correct. They almost certainly did not reverse the engines. The only source of this claim is Officer Boxhall, while Lightoller insisted the engines were only ordered "All Stop". Regardless, killing the engines and stopping the props will stop the flow of water over the rudder, which is the only reason a rudder works at all - it must have moving water running across it on both sides in order to provide steerageway. The crew still crippled the ship's steering by stopping the engines. Had they maintained speed, she may have avoided the collision.
Perhaps more intriguing than the missing binoculars is a copy of Lyle's "Efficient Use of Steam" on the bookshelf which was not published until 1947......
Instead of just using the animation from THG they should also have listened to what the guys from THG have been saying about what they found out about the sinking. THG have actually debunked quite a lot of the things that this video presents as facts.
You are right in away. It was considered normal to travel at almost full speed in those days, so long as it was clear weather with 2 look outs. If there was any haze they would slow down. How ever, the sea was that calm it did not break on the base of the berg so it didn't give any clue to its presence. To make matters worse it was a moonless night. You could say bad luck really. One of the rules after the inquest; was, to slow down after any report of ice bergs in the area.
@@kaybee5150 Right on.....wasn't there something, ( at the inquest ), about the lookout's not having binoculars?.....if they had had, would that have given Titanic time to turn...which it very nearly did.
@@DJJumpdancer the ship WAS NOT put into reverse. There is board of inquiry testimony to this…..a ship does not turn like a car. It kind of skids into the turn. The stern would swing out to starboard. It had already started to turn to port by 2 points. It is also thought that it rode up onto the iceberg (underwater) as it turned.
Have you been on a cruise ship?
Yes in 1980
Back in 1911
Yes and it sank
No
Channel 5 no
The Olympic got hit in one spot, where as Titanic got a long gash across the side and across multiple compartments. That's a night and day difference.
Yeaaaah wasn’t it ultimately too many chambers were breached and took on water? I’ve heard usually about 2 (forget the word) hull compartments can take on water and still float before it becomes an issue.
Another ship made an error on not filling their empty fuel tank with seawater and it ended up listing on its side further than what it was designed to do when it collided with a ship, resulting in it sinking.
You’re deffs right though
@@cassoIa And it was the fire in the the coal holds, (that was burning for a week), that weakened the steel.
@@Missditabomb actually the fire might have actually given the titanic almost triple the amount of time before it sank. Because they had to move all of the coal to one side of the ship to stop the fire, the ship was balanced out keeping it from tipping inward and rolling over. Instead that’s why the bow sunk and the stern lifted out of the water which you wouldn’t think would happen with damage to just one side of the ship.
The type of damage "Olympic" suffered was the exact sort of damage that was envisioned when the ships were designed. The watertight compartments acted like they were supposed to.
@@madisonmozingo9983 interesting comment. I hadn't thought about this, nor seen this posted before. Do you know this (source) or just speculation?
Thanks for sharing. My grandmother was 11 years old when this happened. She was living in Chicago when this occurred and told how upset the people were. She gave me MANY history lessons before she died in 1975. RIP Grandma Frances.
They got ice warnings and were still going pretty quick. Even told another ship to shut up when they tried to warn titanic. Sad event that didnt have to happen.
@@Xb0x_XR i know why, philips was listening to a distant frequencey and the californian stepped on it surprised philips with the loud noise. Doesnt change the fact they should have listened to any of the previous ice warnings and not been going full speed at night. Buck stops with the captain at the end.
@@alanluscombe8a553 he was right a little rude but right
That's not the way I understood it. It was said that a message had gone to them but one of the workers put it on the desktop with a paperweight on it and was going to take it over to let them know but instead got caught up in worrying more about the passengers messages that were coming in and out and he got sidetracked and never delivered that message.
@@snealon802 Given that they had received several warnings about ice earlier in the day, I'm not sure another warning from the Californian would have made a difference.
@@alanluscombe8a553 the captain went further south than the course was supposed to to try to avoid it and it was common to go full speed back then until the need to slow down
Literally everything that could of went wrong, did go wrong.
For "could of went wrong" ? read "could have gone wrong"
@@iancrumblish7518 you silly billy.
It could have been a lot worse. Imagine if the ship hit the iceberg at the back of ship with the same number of compartments flooded. It would destroy the power and the engines causing the ship to sink faster as the center of mass of the ship is in the back of the ship. Many more would have died.
Willhelm Gustloff: am I a joke top you?
Murphy's law
Because of the Titanic, todays modern sea safety precautions are realized and executed… Sometimes bad things need to happen for us to realize and improve.
Like demented senile Joe Biden.
Trial and Error
Yes when her bigger sister ship brittanic hit a mine and sunk in 55min they managed to evacuate everybody as they learnt from titanics mistakes.
Unfortunately true. Try and learn from others as much as possible, and think outside the box too.
I think they knew everything about the improbable possibilities and they acted upon them
Full speed, low visibility, near peak iceberg month, max probability iceberg area, night, cold, not enough lifeboats. Things were "doubtful" long before the captain ordered to be notified if anything became at all doubtful.
You are thinking in a 2021 mindset and not in 1912. Back in 1912 to nearly everyone Titanic was unsinkable. Also it was common practice for captains to move their ships through ice fields as fast as possible, so to quickly clear the ice field. Captain Smith did exactly as any other captain in 1912 would have done.
@@johnking5174 Captain of Californian did the opposite what you suggest, stopping completely to wait for better visibility in the morning. Cap. Titanic gambling with peoples lives, playing the odds. How does speed improve maneuverability?
@@StillChrist becouse it was in frount of them, titanic was not... yet that’s why they had look outs, they see iceberg ship slows and stops and manoeuvre out of the way, that’s the 1912 standed practice
@aard apel no the operators turned off the telegraph
Titanic was the safest luxury liner in the world, by far surpassing safety features of other Ocean liners. They even had more lifeboats than legally required. Sad thing is that back then you didn't need to have a lifeboat spot for everyone.
There's another Mistake the documentary didn't mention and that was 2nd officer Lightoller's decision to open the D deck gangway door on the portside to use to offload more passengers into Lifeboats being lowered. Inevitably this evacuation procedure wasn't used, but the door remained open of which caused a noticeable list in Titanic halfway through the sinking and undoubtedly increased the rate of water. After water reached D deck she had less than hour left.
You can do a CFD analysis on that and let us know.
True.. And thats why She had a small list to port.
Like 9 degrees..
That wouldn’t matter anyway because of the design in the bulkheads especially using iron 3 instead of iron 4. Titanic couldn’t within stand this impact. I don’t think opening the desk D gangway door would’ve mattered. Even if it remained closed, that wouldn’t help the lack of lifeboats and the design of the bulkheads. Not only that, the height of the bulkheads were lowered allowing more water to flood in. It flooded in more than 4 compartments. Titanic was weaker on it’s side, but stronger on the front. I think that’s why it was never mentioned in the documentary... it’s a design flaw rather than opening a door.
Hypothetically, even if that saved time, what life boats would they use? Maybe the 44 they cut from the boat? Originally it was suppose to have 64... and they decided to have 20... such a dumb decision.
@@imtherealone.6268 Titanic was doomed the moment boiler room 6 and beyond was opened to sea water I agree, however the rate of the sinking would've been slower if it wasn't for this blunder. By how much, who knows but given the size of the door opening was roughly equal 30ft sq (just over double the total iceberg openings at 12 sq feet), this would've gravely increased the sinking rate. When water reached D deck outside, parts of the ship below was still dry hence reports from crew that water began flooding from above as water poured in through a few open portholes above the squash court and Turkish baths.
I do personally think that whilst lifeboat capacity for all is essential, the Titanic wouldn't of had the time to launch all of them given collapsible A and B were practically washed off deck as the bridge submerged. Indeed lifeboats launched earlier on in the sinking were half or less than half full, so more boats would've left probably the same. Given the volume of water coming in Titanic held very well right up to the end, but time and ill judgement was against her passengers and crew that night.
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And do you know why it opened up the sides like a zipper causing water to flood in? The sinking wouldn't have happened if they didn't use weaker iron and made the sides weaker. Whether bulk heads were high or low, it comes down to what it was made of. The sinking doesn't have anything to do whether it's about Deck D or the boiler room or evacuation procedures. The binoculars being taken limiting the view from the crows nest is debatable, but like I said earlier, it comes down to a design flaw, nothing more given the fact iron 3 is weaker than iron 4. You know, if they made the sides stronger, the boat wouldn't have sinked like it did and more lives would've been saved....
My great grandfather Albert Horswill was a crewman on the RMS Titanic. He survived the wreck on cutter lifeboat number one. He was ordered into the boat by Second Officer Murdoch, on the less populated Starboard side. The lifeboat held 40 but it was let out to sea with only 12, 7 crewmen and 5 first class passengers. He and the crew were accused of taking a bribe from Cosmo Duff Gordon and his designer wife Lucy Duff Gordon to avoid returning to the wreck to pick up passengers because they were worried the lifeboat would be swamped and sink. This was not true, they were given 5 pounds each by Cosmo as merely a kind gesture to compensate the men for lost wages. White Star quit paying the men as soon as the ship went down.
It was William Murdoch not robert
It was first officer William McMaster Murdoch.
Before y’all say he’s a fake there was actually a Albert Horswill but he did make a mistake with the name and position of Murdoch
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This is why you check your ego at the door in the ocean or the air.
This comment aged very well
Unless youre a rich person trying to visit the wreck of the oh wait never mind
Interesting video. I have always known that Titanic was basically the prime example of "a series of unfortunate events" but I had never known quite how true that statement was. There's so many things that if just one had been handled better, it may have never sank at all.
The Titanic was actually the 'sister' ship, OLYMPIC, which was IDENTICAL, and which was SCUTTLED for insurance $hekel$. The OLYMPIC needed many repairs to continue to be a money-maker. The owners decided it was cheaper to bait and switch, then ...SCUTTLE. Of course the media/'history' books are beLIEved by the majority of the dumbed down herd! Most of you cannot discern reality from TV. It was BLOWN UP with explosives in the hold. Many survivors HEARD the explosions before it started to sink.
@@mr.blackhawk142 Yeah that’s not what happened lol. You’re the one who got baited and switched. The Olympic switch theory as well known and been disproven.
The Captain of the Titanic chose speed over safety after the ship received telegrams that warned them of icebergs in the area. Can only imagine what was going through his mind when they determined the ship was doomed and both he and many people were going to die? It was a fool’s folly. This is why so many people are still intrigued by the story of this unsinkable ship.
If they would have lowered their speed until daybreak they would have made it.
@@michaelrief4424 Well not only that but had the crows nest watchman had binoculars they may have seen it early enough, had they just rammed it head on, they would’ve been able to seal the front compartments. It was an absolute perfect storm of things, chain of events, that caused her demise. You’re right too, about him going full steam. That’s another of many things that if they were done slightly differently it probably wouldn’t have sunk.
@@djjazzyjeff1232
What a shame radar wasn’t around in that era. If it was they would have been able to steer around the iceberg well ahead of the collision. The other big factor was the iron plate that the ship was built from. It was much more brittle than steel plate.
But the whole story is in the History books now and it’s old news. But some folks still don’t get it.
I was in New York City a number of years ago at a Florist shop at Chelsea Market and there was a marble bollard out in front of their shop. The shop owner bragged that his father told him it was at the Pier where the Titanic tied up to back when his father worked on the shipping wharfs. You should have seen his face when I told him that the Titanic never made it to NYC.
I've read so much information over the years about the Titanic. This is the first time I've heard about passengers leaving port holes open when they left their rooms. At the time they weren't aware that the ship was sinking but it was still foolish knowing what a cold night it was.
Interior sections of a steamship could get pretty warm and stuffy, even with freezing temperatures outside. It wasn't uncommon on non-military ships for people (especially in the lower decks closer to the boilers) to open port holes and windows to get a little air. It wouldn't likely have made it uncomfortably cold inside, especially for the Scandinavian passengers, which made up a sizable portion of third class. There were regulations against leaving port holes open on military ships, but it happened anyway. Was a factor in the Britannic's sinking a few years later.
@@recklessrex Thanks for the information. It makes me wonder how much longer the ship could have stayed afloat if the port holes were closed.
@@canadianfortrump4057 I'm no physicist or whatever, but my instinct says it's not likely it would have actually bought them enough time to make a difference for most of the people that ended up in water, since it only takes like 15 minutes to freeze to death, but those last two collapsible boats that were basically swept off the deck as the water rushed up would probably have had an easier time of it, maybe launching properly with neither ending up upside down or missing oars, they could even have been able to take on a few more people, but unfortunately we can only wonder
@@canadianfortrump4057 I love your name man
@@thecomedypilot5894 Thanks, I'm guessing you're also a Trump supporter.
imagine going to the top of the ship having to hold on for your life while the ship tips over..
oh my!
Or climb up to the top of the sideways stern like the head chef
The fact that this tragedy was so completely avoidable has always made me so mad!
how completely avoidable is nature?
@@Rand0m0bs3ss10ns he/she wanted a flame thrower on each end of the hull.
@@da_great_mogul how'd that work? I don't actually know how flamethrowers would go on or be used while on a ship
@@Rand0m0bs3ss10ns was a silly joke.
@@da_great_mogul :( i was curioussssss
My great grandfather survived this. Because he wasn’t there
Bless him, how's he doing?
Tell him he’s lucky!
OOF
My great grandfather survived as well...because he was black !
@Kolin Mademe stolen
The fire was in boiler room 5. The Titanic was designed to stay afloat with any two joining compartments flooded. She could even stay afloat if three of her first five compartments were flooded. She could even stay afloat of the first four compartments were flooded. The iceberg tore open, the fore peak, numbers 1 and 2 holds, the mail room and boiler room 6 and two feet of boiler room 5. That is five compartments open to the sea long before the supposed weakness of coal chute of boiler room 5.
Exactly. The breach due to the coal fire happened WAY after the water was spilling over the top. The ship was doomed before that bulkhead collapsed
There wasn’t any breach of the bulkhead “E” caused by a fire. The door in the coal bunker gave way under the weight of the water that entered it thru the tear in the hull.
Night boat should heave to avoiding
floating mines, ship containers accidently falling off containers ships
floating, small trees , and slowly melting
sheets of ice, flotsam, any buoyant object
true but it probably made everything happen just that little bit faster.
yeah, was only a small opening to v sea finger width but ti was 300 foot long so to many compartnments were compramised, bad rivets was 1 of many reasons she founded.
I agree with most everything they say in this video, it is quite accurate. Except one thing: the binoculars. No doubt, the lookouts should have had access to their own pair of binoculars, because it could’ve helped them spot an iceberg in the daytime. But I don’t think it would’ve helped very much that night. And it would’ve helped even less if there a haze-like optical illusion. The lookouts were in the wrong place to spot an iceberg at night, they should’ve been closer to the bow and closer to being at surface level with the sea. Then they could’ve used the starlight to help them see the horizon and the berg’s outline. But from the crow’s nest, on a moonless night, they couldn’t tell where the sea and the sky come together.
Noone uses binoculars in complete darkness, only millenials apparently.
Binoculars were used to identify objects, not gazing around.
There were actually a set of lookouts posted on the ship's forecastle that night by either Captain Smith before leaving for dinner or by 1st Officer Murdoch upon taking up his watch at 10:00 PM. Despite myths to the contrary Smith and the bridge were fully cognizant of the fact that ice hazards would be in the general vicinity of the sea they would be navigating through. Two southerly course adjustments to the liner had already been executed by Smith putting the liner's charted course towards New York City to the south of the ice field as they understood it to exist which had been plotted by Smith and either Boxhall or Moody (I forget which one...) in the chart room based on the multiple ice warnings radioed in earlier that day along with their corresponding coordinates. Smith felt fairly confident they were south of the icefield and in the possible event an iceberg lay in the path of the liner the lookouts would of course identify the hazard well early enough to allow for an evasive maneuver with time to spare. Of course they hadn't counted on the unusual atmospheric visual illusions that were present that night.
@@RobbyHouseIV That's really interesting. But then why didn't those forecastle lookouts give the first alarm? Probably Smith should have taken the rather extreme measure of giving them a gun to, say, fire three times if they saw an iceberg ahead.
Yeah I've been on the sea at night, it's terrifying to try and discern where the sky meets the water. I remember only being about to see the water about 50 miles out? The moon was around last quarter I wanna say, def was there but wasn't too bright
The horror those people went through. I do wonder what guilt the people in the life boats felt.
They felt relief not guilt.
They maybe felt a bit guilty months and years later but not then.
@@vmi3463 i dont think its really relieving to see 1500 people dying from the first row. lifelong trauma guaranteed.
@@1no180 I guess to save them the lifelong trauma they should have jumped in the water with them, right? Idiot.
@@vmi3463 Survivors guilt
Hindsight: The wisest tool of preventing what has already happened.
Yeah you know that thing that happened? Yeah, you should've just, didn't.
Don’t speed through ice fields!!
@@carolbell8008 That was Cpt Smith's big mistake
At the end when they said “but Murdoch could have never made that call” Wow that gave me chills XD
1:08- For 75 years, it was believed that the burg cut a 300 foot hole in its right side. The discovered only in the past two decades via sonar that the damage created by the burg was 12 square feet of popped rivets. Later they made another discovery. Not only did she sideswipe it but ran over it as well. They also found it had a double Hull! It took several dives to find both pieces!
Glad you were paying attention. The ship’s discovery in 1985 also put to rest the controversy about its final moments. That’s when they found out that Titanic had in fact split apart as she sank.
She was double bottomed not a total double hull design if she was a full double hull she wouldn't have foundered as the inner hull wouldn't have been punctured
The titanic had a double bottom.
@@timothyreed8417 actually Harlan and Wolfe plans show a double bottom on all three sisters. The Olympic and Britainic were retrofitted after the RMS Titanic sank. The Water Tight compartments were raised and capped. The number of lifeboats were increased and other safety measures were done. If the Titanic had a true double hull construction she would have developed a list and needed help and repair but would have sunk.
@@kirkmorrison6131 the same basic hull plans were used for all three ships: “The Olympic” class.
Many changes made to Titanic, were things learned from the sailing of Olympic. After titanic sank many changes made to olympic to upgrade. Britannic was an upgrade of olympic. What happened to titanic was the culmination of many small and insignificant events, that taken separately, would have had impact. But taken together……
The way the Titanic was damaged by the iceberg was a one in a million freak accident.
For a freak accident there were so many things that ensured she'd sink and as many people as possible would die. Years of many human errors pushed her headlong to make history, to make headlines. To rush. The weather earlier in the year caused the icebergs to be further south than normal. Human pride, greed and arrogance did the rest.
yeah sometimes i wonder if they'd seen it just a little bit *later*, they might have hit it head on and caused less damage
But equally, if they saw it just a little bit earlier, they may have missed it entirely
When Lightoller told the court "everything was against us" the court was not impressed and the notion persisted that the accident was yes of the 1/1,000,000 variety
I had the unique experience of testing samples of the Titanic's hull brought up by Dr. Ballard. He brought it to the Newport News Shipbuilding laboratory for testing. The tensile strength was reasonable for what was referred to as "free machining" steel, which contains a bit of sulfur. Unfortunately the sulfur forms strings in the steel resulting in weak areas similar to perforations in a cardboard box. The real eye opener though were the Charpy impact tests where a 10mm square bar is notched on one side to provide a weak spot. It is struck with a hammer in a special machine and can be heated or cooled for the test. I tested them at 30° F, the water temperature in the North Atlantic the night of the sinking. The specimens broke like they were made of glass. I do not remember the values, but they were low enough to be very alarming, in addition to the cold worked rivets with slag inclusions, the hull plates would have shattered rather then tear, needing little force to open a long gash.
NN! I work for International Paint lol
Interesting. But is there a chance that being underwater for a century may have weakened it too?
@@DilanGilluly Possibly, but not very likely as regards to the Charpy impact specimens. These were as close to centered between the inner and outer faces of the hull plate section as possible to minimize the effects of immersion.
An interesting little tidbit of knowledge. However I dont think it has much merit. We've known for a century or more that the total area of hull damaged was about 3sq/ft.
Infact if you look closely at the mosaic of the bow section you can just about see an opening just above the mud line on the starboard side before the bow disappears into the mud.
This slit/opening is roughly where tje coal bunker of boiler room 5 is. Meaning it could very well be iceberg damage
try test on metallurgical similar section
at same temp. from iron sample manufactured in more recent dry years ?
Titanic hit the iceberg in just the right way to sink it
Davin Peterson If titanic hit the iceberg head on they probably wouldn’t have sunk
if the titanic had hit the iceberg head on there is also just as great a chance that it would have sunk faster and badly injured multiple passengers from the sudden stop of the ship. Bulkheads weren’t designed for ramming into icebergs- the best they could do is survive a collision with another ship and ships are movable and much lighter objects. This means that the entire ship would bear the impact- making it more likely to split apart at the seams. The watertight doors also risk being jammed open. Heading straight for the iceberg at full speed means taking responsibility for numerous deaths even if the ship can still somehow float.
Lavender Skye NO
If they slowed the ship down enough they would have hit the iceberg and fewer rooms would have flooded
And the boiler room would not have flooded
Something else not mentioned here is that the ship stopped shortly after hitting the berg. Then apparently Captain Smith ordered the ship to start moving again, and the Titanic sailed for about 10-15 minutes at around 10 knots after hitting the berg. This would have forced water into the ship, likely speeding up the sinking of the ship.
People just denied the truth back then.
@@connorericksonmusic Thing is, that is in the written testimony. Every commentator since then has either overlooked or ignored this small but extremely vital detail.
@@nicholasconder4703 captain smith wasnt even around when the berg first hit he was in his quarters
@@TimeMasterOG Yes, but he was on the bridge after the Titanic came to a full stop. After a preliminary cursory check for possible damage had been done, he then ordered the ship to start moving again, around 5-15 minutes after the collision.
@@nicholasconder4703 The Titanic did not sink. It was made to sink and no one died.
3 days after April 15, that is, on April 18, 1912, it was written in all newspapers and other country newspapers that "all the passengers and crew were saved".
But this false narrative still continues. The ship remained there for 7 - 8 years and then after repairs and some modifications in Germany, it was given to England.
A little thing like having crew members shut portholes may have delayed the sinking a bit.
There were no open portholes. It was freezing that night.
@@captian1000 Did you watch the video? It specifically mentions open portholes!
Britannic had the open portholes. It was cold as anything the night Titanic sank. (Jan Griffiths).
@@captian1000 The middle of the Atlantic, in mid April. And night time. It would have been easily below 0 that night.
D deck gangway door on the port side
"Theres a field of huge icebergs that could be responsible for your demise ahead be careful" "be quiet we're busy" "Oh alright bro gnight"
LOL so ironic
he didnt tell him to go away when he was told about the iceberg field that message was a long time earlier - he was actually told to be quiet after the radio was just fixed and the operator was going through the mass pile of messages.
Shut up old man, I'm working.
The issue was the wireless operators weren’t employed by white star line they were a separate company who were employed to send telegrams to and from passengers!
HMS Hawk,.." That Captain Smith, why , He CUT ME OFF !!!!!!."
In 1912, radio was still a novelty and there weren't many regulations about it. That's why the Californian operator just turned it off for the night. And according to one version of the movie "S.O.S. Titanic", the Carpathia operator was just about to turn in and only got the message at the last moment by accident; don't know if that's true or not.
One of the changes made after the Titanic inquiry was a 24-hour radio watch.
@@williamwingo4740 That is true. Plus California warned Titanic about ice ahead of time.
More than that. Loads of things were at fault. The design, White Star Line, the captain, Murdock. The wireless operator, the Californian. Loads of things cause the boat to sink.
@@LittleImpaler Well the California operator told him multiple times that hey there is ice before going to bed. Because of high frequency the Titanic operator was getting head aches from it so he asked them to stop communicating. Additionally it was rather natural for wireless operators to go to bed and turn of the wireless at the time, today you have 247 people who take calls and listen to other ships. Plus California was a scapegoat for Titanic. In reality they were farther away. But people eat up that drama with a nearby ship that just never came and ignored Titanic.
One minor mistake: The didn't have red flares to signal an emergency, only regular ones sometimes used for celebrations.
I still hear that rockets at sea mean distress period
The coal fire theory was debunked years ago. Without loads of oxygen there was no way a smoldering coal fire could reach the necessary temperature to damage the bulkhead.
The ship was on fire when it left belfast and was burning for days
Derrick Laurie that was common on ships back then. The fire did not contribute to the ship sinking in any way. Survivor testimony (3 separate corroborating testimonies) and lab testing on the steel proves the bulkhead didn’t fail. There’s zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
I can read off the internet aswell, you must have missed the testimony of chief fireman fred barret, who witnessed the fire and observed the damage to the bulkhead, and described a wall of water bursting in from boiler room 6 into boiler room 5, 2 hours after the iceberg hit, but im sure you know better than him
@Derrick Laurie Internet? Nope. I've been studying this class of ship for the better part of a decade and a half... You should read his statement more carefully. George Beauchamp said he saw water in the bunker on the aft side of bulkhead E, right after the collision. So that bunker was already perforated by the iceberg. This means water was on the other side of the bulkhead that had the fire. Barret said he never saw a bulkhead fail... he saw the water at 1:10am, then climbed the ladder to Scotland Road, where he also observed water, which means it was over the boiler room by this time. This is also confirmed by Steward Weat just 20 minutes prior, who spotted water flowing from E-Deck to F-Deck when he was helping evacuate the Turkish Bathes. This location is roughly 50-60 feet aft of where Barret was. The rush of water was most likely caused by the coal bunker doors failing... they were not designed to be water-tight. The bulkhead did not fail... basic physics, chemistry, eye witness accounts, and lab testing have already proved it didn't. This theory is dead.
You say tomato, i say potato, im not saying it was the cause of the sinking but it played a part
A quick short video describing all the fatal issues that took place that night. Including, the bunker fire, the messages between the California and the titanic. And also the Maroge making it harder to see the water at the iceberg. As another person said, they were surprised to hear about the port holes being left open. That was a new one on me as well.
Same, I never heard of port holes being left open. It's crazy if that alone really doubled the water intake. So much happened to go wrong on the Titanic.
By that time they were doomed.
So many odds against this beautiful ship.
Whether youre in land, sea or in air.. you cannot prevent accidents..
True no doubt but what happened to the Titanic was preventable
From what I've read and documentaries I've seen, one unforeseen problem (I'll call it no. 11 with an asterisk) was the weather conditions that year that caused an unusual number of icebergs to calve and also allowed them to float more or less intact farther south than usual, well into the shipping lanes. The warnings of ice probably should have alerted the captain to the dangers, but weather forecasts were iffy at that time on land, let alone in the remote north Atlantic. Probably the White Star Line made a misjudgment in starting the sailing season quite so early, but the transatlantic liner season was only about half a year, so I suppose they needed to stretch the season as much as possible to make the expenditure on a luxury vessel worthwhile. Also (I'm calling this no. 12) wasn't there an intense rivalry between the shipping companies at the time, and pressure on the White Star Line owners and executives to set a speed record as a publicity stunt but also to attract the rich passengers? This sort of rivalry lasted for decades more, as I remember the Cunard Line with its Queen liners and a French line and an American line (with the "United States") were always trying to break the speed record. Thus the pressure on a captain to sail too fast for the conditions, in hindsight, of course, incredibly reckless.
small question to bring up for the speed thing you mentioned. How fast was the Titanic sailing at that night? I heard from somewhere that she was going at a normal speed and she hadn't even had the chance to get one of the boiler rooms up and running before she went down.
yes, aslo if it was ave or poor weather v berg would have been seen as waves breaking on it n v ship wold hve reduced speed 4 paresger comfort. no colision wood hve happend, it was still
The Titanic did not sink. It was made to sink and no one died.
3 days after April 15, that is, on April 18, 1912, it was written in all newspapers and other country newspapers that "all the passengers and crew were saved".
But this false narrative still continues. The ship remained there for 7 - 8 years and then after repairs and some modifications in Germany, it was given to England.
@@mehmetdenek5830 How do you explain that some very prominent rich people were not seen again after what you are calling the non-sinking of the Titanic? Were the hundreds of missing (rich and poor) interned somewhere for the rest of their lives? Or assassinated? If the Titanic did not sink, what is the very large ship found at the bottom of the Atlantic in the area where the Titanic (according to you non-sunken) was lost? What about the artifacts brought up from the wreckage? Are they all fake--faked well enough to deceive experts?
@@elainechubb971 1 - It became The RMS Majestic, which they claim was laid down in 1913.
Just one year after Titanic " sank "
It didn't operate until 1920 though. They sent it to Hamburg port for the war. A few minor changes were made to " disguise " it from Titanic. Then Germany " gave " it to Britain.
To sum up , Titanic holds so much fascination because it is the story of everything that could go wrong going disastrously wrong.
The coal bunker fire is actually largely irrelevant. Even without the damage to the coal bunker she would've been doomed. She could stay afloat with any two, Any three of the first five or even the first four in a row and not sink. The iceberg opened the Forepeak tank Hold 1, Hold 2 and Hold 3... As well as boiler room six... Five compartments, one more than she could manage and therefore was destined to founder no matter what . The 2ft opening in the coalbunker of BR.5 only slightly hastened her demise.
As is the case with the rivets. In 2012 they tested the strength of the rivets. Built to the exact spesification of wrought iron as they did in 1912. A small sample "seam" was constructed and subjected to a stress test. The steel itself bent before they gave up, with only one or two rivets failing. The force of impact was simply too great and even a modern rivet made of the highest quality steel likely would've failed from the sheer force.
The FIRE AND ICE THEORY as it’s called is indeed irrelevant and also incorrect.
@@victormanuelbisbee7449 Are you referring to a scenario where boiler room six somehow remains undamaged, but the coal bunker of BR.5 is still breached? Because if neither of those two compartments are breached then the ship will not sink. She could survive the first four in a row breached.
However if you mean that the coal bunker is punctured by the iceberg... I think she might survive long enough for Carpathia to arrive, possibly. All of Titanic's pumps could pump out 1700 tons of water an hour out. I dont know how fast water would flood into the coal bunker from a 2ft opening but I could assume it's less than that, which would be enough to keep her afloat as long as the pumps continue to keep the coal bunker dry.
niki75 well, boiler room 5 was hit by the berg, by only 2 feet, in the coal bunker,m holding back the water for quite some time.
@@SQUAREHEADSAM1912 That is very true. I guess I'm just worried that the weight of the water in the coal bunker, should the pumps prove inadequate to keep it dry, or water to a minimum will cause her to go further down by the head, causing the water to spill into boiler room six once the water had filled them up.
@@niki75 no they said water was pouring in 15x faster than the pumps could pump out so the pumps wouldn’t of worked. The pressure and everything just came threw especially with water it just doesn’t stop it can get into anywhere and fast and them pumps couldn’t keep up . They talked about it in another documentary that the water was coming in way to fast their was no stopping it and the pumps couldn’t catch up .
So the coal bunker fire was between 500 - 1000 degrees celsius. Ok, you do realise that those temperatures would have caused the first class swimming bath to quite literally boil as it was located directly above the coal bunker plus if those temperatures were present then the firemen and trimmers would have needed full body ppe just to approach it.
I saw this tonight and although it uses Titanic: Honour and Glory's animations, does not use their or the Titanic community's research but instead the usual sensational myths that have already been debunked. Go read "On a Sea of Glass".
this is how you know you're lost in TH-cam.
Imagine being one of the dudes that specifically dealt with the rivets....*whoops*
The best way to describe the Titanic disaster is that it was not caused by one single cataclysm but by a series of little things - miscalculations, errors in judgment, unexpected events that could not be foreseen, etc. that combined to doom the ship and more than two-thirds of her passengers.
In other words, a series of unfortunate events.
A series of events, that by themselves were small and insignificant, but put them all together.
A series of events that stacked up to create the perfect disaster.
They were just all too high and mighty special the captain he even went over our Lord and siad she was unsinkable
@@Johndonvan861 no one said the Titanic was unsinkable……
The coal bunker fire has been debunked, that did not cause enough heat warping to be the reason the bulkhead failed. Watched two separate videos on it both using extensive sources. The fire was at best a smolder with coals and not a raging inferno as this video suggests.
Also there was no order to reverse engines. Murdoch knew the best course of action was to "hard-a starboard", meaning to turn left due to how the helm worked, and then order "all stop" to let the rudder do its job. The thing with the size of Titanic is that nothing is instantaneous or even relatively quick.
At less than a minute to impact, the best they could have hoped was to blunt the strike.
Exactly. It could have been worse and they could have had less time to evacuate.
The fire was actually very large, it started when the ship was on its one and only sea trial between Belfast and the Isle of Mann.
@Daniel B Debatable
the bunker fire actually saved the titanic, without it the ship would probably have capsized
The ship was doomed from the start. Sadly though, if only one of these mistakes/issues had been addressed, she might not have struck the iceberg at all.
Coal fire theory was not true, I love how they say “some of the fireman” even though basically nobody actually reported the bulkhead being “warped”
If all the Titanic's 3 propellers was left in the forward Motion it would have turned quicker avoiding the iceberg so sad that it went down
That's a very hard "maybe". In any case, they were stopped in order to avoid shearing off the blades if they were to clip the iceberg. This is what the officers were trained to do. Remember that ships turn from the rear, and it would have been a very near miss had they been able to avoid it. There would have been no room for error, so in that case it could easily have been the stern that hit the iceberg rather than the bow, in which case the propellers would have been destroyed.
It definitely would’ve turned quicker but it’s still a maybe if it would’ve hit the ice berg or not. They probably would’ve had a higher chance of not hitting it if they wouldn’t have stopped the propellers
Nope it's not that. When you turn the bow the stern swings right into the berg. They saved the stern so they didnt damage the propellers but the bow was hit. In that situation they would have had to turn way ahead of time. It didn't have anything to do with propellers.
What if titanic stopped it's propellers and just let the titanic slow it's self
@@simonbaker9386 That would take awhile since it doesn't brake so with the theory of motion it would continue on at its speed losing it much much later.
0:25 that’s queen Mary
Yeah because theres literally no footage of the hawk hitting olympic :/
lol no
@@wolfy_girl7737 it is. Though not sure what’s scarier the titanic or queen Mary.
YEAH WE KNOW
I've actually been on the Queen Mary! I went to California for one of those out of state field trips with my high school band and orchestra and we stayed inside Queen Mary. Luxurious experience but kind of horrifying because it reminded me of the Titanic!
How different things would have been. If it happened during the afternoon. Then the iceberg, would have been spotted sooner. Then change course in time.
The Titanic was already running late. Stopping for the night or just slowing down would have increased the delay. Arriving 6-8 hours late would have ruined its reputation and was out of question: too many rich people with business appointments, too many migrants waiting to register, etc. Now, that doesn't mean the captain was intentionally sailing blindly at full speed through icebergs. In fact, Smith had changed course during the day to get around the tip of the icefield. So he thought he must have cleared the ice by the night fall. Instead, the Titanic was already sailing right through the icebergs, they must have passed several without even noticing them - the lookouts were not even looking sideways. When Carpathia arrived, there was a big pack of floating wooden debris from the Titanic : this pack of debris was floating right in the middle of several icebergs which Carpathia had a hard time navigating through.
I did an aerial survey of the area soon after the collision. There were several icebergs within a 50km radius of the collision sight.
@@reganmacneil2578 you did an aerial survey in 1912??
@@reganmacneil2578 How in the world did you do that? xD that was 110 years ago!
@@reganmacneil2578 time travel confirmed: call the cyber police
Well done. Some fantastic research . How all the tangibles added up. The Captains false confidence in the ships construction . The chemistry of the iron vs. steel rivets. The fire in the coal bin. The optical illusion the look outs faced. The Marconi operators situation. Amazing research ! So well done !
The "RUSH" to get somewhere faster than necessary just because the Captain wanted to. Then he decides to have a seafood platter...the fish get their vengeance.
People: "Titanic is unsinkable."
The Iceberg: "And I took that personally."
Okay this is silly.
But I like silly. Thanks for the chuckle
@@Rand0m0bs3ss10nsany time lol.
The berg sure did take it very personally
My grandad told me that he got to see the titanic and from the beginning he was shouting "don't get on that ship" he repeatedly shouted this until he was kicked out of the cinemas
all my grandparents got thrown out of cinemas warning people about ships. different times.
The damage done to Olympic by the Hawk was above the waterline.
...and within sight of shore. Thanks for your comment.
And below the waterline where the battering ram penetrated. They did a real job on Olympic, couldn`t have done better if they tried.
most of the damage is below the waterline. Armoured cruisers of the day were built with large rams that were below the waterline and Hawke's ram went straight into Olympic.
I hear that the fact that only 2 compts were affected helped too
One thing that's always confused me is that these compartments are always described as watertight but if the water reaches the top, the water simply spills over into the next compartment. So, why were they considered watertight?
Yeah I never understood that either. It seems like if they sealed the tops of them once the compartments filled the sinking would at least slow significantly, giving passengers more time to be rescued. Instead they just overflow and the ship sinks like they were not even "water tight" to begin with.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 The way it's described most often is the "icecube tray" analogy, where you imagine an icecube tray filling with water that spills from one 'compartment' to the next. But this analogy doesn't work very well, because it creates the false idea that the Titanic's hull was a single, long, totally open space with walls that didn't reach the ceiling.
In fact, the hull WAS sealed, there were normal decks, walls, and flooring sealing each compartment totally. But the sealing wasn't watertight. The "watertight-ness" is created by ensuring a waterproof sealant is used to cap the joining line where the bulkhead meets the decks below and above it.
Remember in the movie, when Jack is handcuffed to the air piping in the Master-at-Arms' office, and water starts coming in? Pay close attention to this scene and you'll notice that the water isn't coming in under a door, it's coming in *under the walls*. That's because these are just normal walls, made with normal dry sealant, which is only airtight. Water can soak it and seep right through, no problem. The sealant along the watertight bulkheads was waterproof.
Another issue many may not realize is that the watertight bulkheads had watertight doors that could seal totally closed and stop any flow of water - but the walls above E Deck didn't have watertight doors, only regular doors, which did have small spaces in the frames that held the door. This is another factor that allowed more flooding in the ship
the walls had cork in them for insulation....not watertight at all....
It's to do with the waterline and equilibrium
They would have been watertight if only up to 4 of the front compartments or any other two compartments had been taking up water. They did not need to have a watertight ceiling because the tops of the bulkheads that separated the watertight compartments were well above the waterline. The weight of the water, say only in the first watertight compartments would physically not have been able to push the bow down enough for the ship to tilt enough so that the aft bulkhead of compartment No. 4 would be pushed below the water line, meaning water would not have been able to spill over into compartments No. 5 and then from there to No. 6 and so on. So while the bow would've been pushed down considerably, the ship would've been able to stay afloat pretty much indefinitely.
While working offshore Newfoundland, Canada (1980's) on an Oil Drilling Platform we would see the Queen Elizabeth 2 ocean liner come up over horizon to the south and then curve away and disappear to the west on her regular run to USA. That spring we had lots of ice, Bergy Bits, Growlers and larger Ice Bergs. The radio operator had been sending out warnings to vessels in the area. Apparently he had raised the QE 2 and got the reply back that, "We are the QE 2 and we do not require your assistance". Seventy years after the Titanic sank in the same area, the same arrogance and stupidity! It was only a little later that we were testing the wells around Hibernia and had three rigs testing and Flaring off produced gas and oil at the same time! We had to warn liners away as they broke off their set courses and actually circled the rigs so passengers could get a First Class look at the burning flares! All three rigs were anchored and the ships were coming inside the anchor perimeters! Pretty lights!!!!
that was 82 or 83....
doing a refit on the Q.E.2 whilst moving....
none of the engineers were allowed to show their faces with work clothes on....
I have a radio control model boat with three motors and two rudders (no center rudder). When I tried running that model with just the center motor going I was amazed at how much longer it took to start turning especially in reverse.
I often wonder if the Titanic had gone full speed ahead with the center prop turning and the resultant strong flow of water hitting the rudder if she would have avoided the iceberg entirely?
They most likely would've given the fact the Titanic nearly avoided the Iceberg and that's why it scratched the side of it. If they had just turned and left it being full speed ahead, they most certainly would've avoided the significant damage that caused the Titanic to sink.
Interesting
I've never heard about the Titanic before,what a fascinating story.
And now I have I'm never going on a boat again.
Typically outstanding Brit documentary. Fascinating, thorough, insightful, incisive. Cheers to you from the States! 🇺🇸💛🇬🇧
Wow, everything seemed to work against the ship. The crew should have instructed people to close the portholes in their rooms before leaving (or checked them themselves). In fact, given how cold it was, I'm surprised the passengers left them open any length of time, since cold air would have rushing in from outside. They wouldn't leave a window open in their home in freezing weather & go somewhere. It always seems like people have to die for humans to learn from their mistakes & change policies, training, & equipment to make things safer.
The overall point fits, but on this one I think you're in the picky category rather than profound. I don't know if you've ever had to hurricane-prep your home or been where there are tornadoes, but there was this notion for a long time that you needed to open the windows to help balance out the pressure as a tornado spins through in order to stave off explosive structure failure. However, you are much more likely to be hideously injured or killed while you are fiddling around at windows--the most dangerous exposure in a storm--rather than hitting it to your basement, interior closet, or even the bathtub for shelter, especially since there are so many other ways that damage will become catastrophic that your house and/or you are goners that the pressure thing won't be a worry anymore. Hurricane wisdom goes through similar flip flops. Many people to this day put criss-cross strips of tape across windows, because they think they're preventing b
Did Brunel boats slow at night? 5 or 6
masts on Great Eastern allow a slower speed. There are no Speed Limit
signs out in big Lake or Ocean
What damage would ocurr at Speed of 1, 2, 3 knots ?
Humans are dumb when they panic. My species is far superior to yours earthling.
The problem is it would have taken a long time to tell everyone on board and run checks. They had no intercom system.
scuttles would b open due to bad smell, lack of oxygen n lots co2, its a steel room wit alot of people in it, no ac in vos days. yes humans r poor visionaries n capos make bad decisions resulting ion bad tings happening.
It took two hours and 40 minutes for titanic to sink
And the movie of the same name was over 3 hours long.
@@davidharrison3711 obviously, James Cameron wasn’t going to focus entirely on the sinking. He said “if you couldn’t appreciate the ship, then you couldn’t appreciate the sinking.” He wanted to show what life was like onboard in those four days before the collision occurred. So that when it happened, it would have as much of an impact on the audience as the iceberg did on the ship itself.
@@davidharrison3711 LOL
Is the 3D footage on this from the Titanic Honor and Glory game model
I think it is
Yes it is.
No
Ya
It most definitely is. I'd recognise that footage anywhere. It's a shame that the documentary speaks about a number of otherwise debunked theories given how hard the THG guys have been trying to put a lot of them to rest.
"The Titanic is unsinkable!"
Iceberg: You underestimate my power.
Don’t come here to make cringe memes
That one iceberg sure took it personally that ships were labeled unsinkable
the 1 mistake above all was to get on board .
1st class passengers had a 10 course feast the night it sank 3rd class passengers fed the sharks
Yet a 3rd class woman had a greater chance of survival than a 1st class man due to the expendable male principle.
@@adamlea6339 I mean technically yeah, but like... like I agree with your point but I feel like that example doesn't really accurately express it. Hear me out, okay, so according to the current estimates, 118 first class men died, and 89 third class women died, a difference of 29, but there were also less third class women than first class men in the first place, so the ratio for this particular example isn't really all that helpful to your point on its own. Still favors the women, just not by that much. I think an alternative statistic that demonstrates your point much better is third class women and children combined (244 total, 103 survived, 141 died) compared to *second* class men (168 total, 14 survived, 154 died)
@@adamlea6339 Actually heck just third class women (165 total, 76 survived, 89 died) demonstrates it even better. Almost half versus almost none. I'm not sure why I added the kids in there...
@@adamlea6339 Actually, first-class men died too. I've seen the memorial plaque just inside the side entrance to Macy's on 34th St. in NYC (the flagship store). It's to the two Strauses, members of the family that owned Macy's and Abraham & Straus. They were elderly, and he refused to get into a lifeboat because "women and children first," and she refused to get into one without him, because they had been married so long and she wouldn't leave him. So they both went down with the ship. This incident is in the film "A Night to Remember" (by far the best Titanic film, in my opinion).
I was in the navy and had to stand lookout watches, I'm telling you, some nights I couldn't even see an inch in from of my face, if it wasn't on radar we didn't see it..
True but if that was the case there really is no excuse for Smith not slowing down
Very interesting
Very VERY inaccurate claims with zero evidence to back it up. Brittle rivets? No. This has been disproved multiple times. Fire made no difference to whether or not the ship sank. Turned off at this point..
the "evidence" is the use of lead rivets instead of steel. apparently this must have been documented. what is your evidence this is debunked?
well i think they just included the fire to make it an even 10 things
rivets i dont reli know what titanics rivets were made off.... - but it is a fact that iron is more brittle than steel. look it up. this is a fact
but everything else ive also heard in other documentaries aswell especially the water mirage. I think you're being really unfair saying this video is very very inaccurate.
@@pierzing.glint1sh76 It was made of steel. I believe
The builders of the Titanic focus on beautifying the ship and forgot the safety
Yep; William Pirrie end-rounded and overruled Titanic’s original designer, Alexander Carlisle, on lifeboat accommodations (which led to Carlisle resigning from H & W in protest of it), and look what happened; I wonder how Pirrie felt after Carlisle was ultimately proven right
@aard apel Carlisle’s original lifeboat provision was 64, enough for every soul on board, passengers AND crew; Pirrie went over Carlisle’s head and cut the provision from 64 to 16, enough for only HALF the people on board, because he assumed that the passengers would be both frightened by the sight of all the extra lifeboats and annoyed by the lack of deck space because of them; he added the four collapsible boats in an attempt to placate Carlisle, but, it didn’t work and Carlisle still resigned
@StarShyn it would have been enormously expensive and impractical unfortunately. Not to mention the rivets would have still popped under the pressure. That thing said titanium has fantastic heat resistant properties and likely would not have been deformed like the iron did with the coal fire.
@Dean Keepers there were TWENTY lifeboats in total onboard (16 wooden hulls, 4 collapsibles), and yes, Pirrie WAS following the law; all Carlisle was trying to get Pirrie to see was that there was literally nothing wrong with exceeding the BBoT’s regulations and realising, through common sense, that there was no way to get 2200 to 2500 people into just 16 lifeboats. Pirrie did not want to do anything beyond the bare minimum if he believed it to be detrimental to Titanic’s profit-making potential
@Dean Keepers Yes, that was standard procedure, but, like Carlisle told Pirrie, and I completely agree, the first rule of safety is to think of the unthinkable. Carlisle wanted H&W to do everything in THEIR power to account for any eventuality should Titanic experience a vital disaster while at sea, however unlikely to happen that might be. Why did she break in two and sink? Because she encountered a scenario that she literally wasn’t designed to withstand
Thank you this really helped with my English essay
A lot of the information in the video is false so if your writing a essay about the Titanic go to Titanic Honor and Glory’s channel they have accurate information
Where can I find the full documentary for this
I saw it on tv a while ago, maybe early 2020, on British tv
The Smithsonian has a documentary on the sinking that goes into a lot of detail about what went wrong.
If the titanic had hit the iceberg head on like a car collision, that definitely would have been more than a slight Bump the passengers felt!! Just like a car collision people would have been suddenly hurled & flung!! I'm not sure that would've been any better.
My grandma before she passed on told me that my Grandpa tried to tell people the Titanic was gonna sink.But nobody was listening. Undeterred, she said he tried again and told people the ship was gonna sink. Finally, they had enough, called the theater manager and they kicked my grandpa out of the movie theater :( _ _ _
He had us in the first half, not gonna lie
THIS WAS STOLEN!!!!!
😂
Wow.
Very original 😑
The biggest mistake: The arrogance of Bruce Ismay.
He pressured the crew to go almost full speed not to be "delayed" for their triumphant arrival in New York. As head of the company his word was pretty much the law
I don't agree whit this statement.
Maybe if you stop getting your historical facts from movies you'll stop being wrong
@@shady8261 Ismay still must’ve felt terrible for what happened that night. All I know is that the disaster would haunt him for the rest of his life.
@@darthkurland ofc he did
But he wasn't a coward
And it certainly was NOT his fault
He simply just asked the professionals if the titanic can go any faster
He never insisted upon it
He only saved his life and jumped in a life boat when everyone was already in after he himself helped them to get in
The captain of the ship has final say in how the ship is run.
Thank you🙏 Channel 5.
“Some people survived Titanic, but they didn’t SURVIVE Titanic”…. The guilt, seeing the images in your mind for the rest of your life, images of thousands of people in the water screaming and grabbing at your life boat and yours sailing away while hearing the screams, no longer seeing them😢 Similar to what happened to Rose’s fiancé in the movie at the end…. He survived but he also didn’t….
Throughout the video , the narrator says "when the iceberg hit the Titanic" . That was mistake #1 for me . Just how fast was that iceberg going ?
Why wasn't the headlight turned on? This would have helped SEE the iceberg on a dark night in calm conditions
Did they gave one.? RC
There is no such thing.
@@GeorgiosD90 yes, there is a big light in the bow of the Titanic. Look the circle near the top of the pointed front of it. The captain chose not to use it
@@steveyeager6177 That is because you cannot use a light, when there is nothing for the light to reflect on and the distance the light can travel would not be far enough to be able to see an iceberg sooner. If something would be useful, people do not choose not to use it for absolutely no reason. Simple.
@@GeorgiosD90 the captain chose not to use the bow light because he was old and the light on a ship was new. Having the light, comparable to the light on a train, would allow you to see much farther ahead than with no light. That's why cars have them.
you forgot one thing when murdoch said hard to starboard the one controlling the wheel of the ship turn into hard to port instead of hard to starboard you can also notice it in titanic 1997 movie
It is called “tiller” commands...
Tiller commands.
EXPLANATION:
Hard to Starboard = turn the ship to port.
Hard to Port = turn the ship to starboard.
That is one possibility, although it's disputed.
I had read that the helmsman on Titanic had previously (for a long time) been a helmsman on a sailing ship. On sailing ships the helmsman faced the rear, because he couldn't see forward between the sails. So when you want to go to port (left) and you're facing rear, you spin the wheel to the right (which would be to the left if you're facing forward) and when he was told "hard to port" he spun the wheel to the right, which was starboard, out of trained reflex action, and the ship momentarily turned to starboard (right) before the mistake was caught. and then he turned the wheel left. But this was a long-enough delay that the ship hit the iceberg instead of just narrowly missing it, off to its right (starboard). Confusing.? Turn left right here. This scenario is very plausible.
According to James Cameron, the faster a ship is going forward, the faster it can turn. If they had kept going forward and not reversed the engines, they might have just missed the iceberg entirely.
They did NOT reverse the engines.
@@timothyreed8417 The engine telegraph was set to reverse when we visited the wreck the day after it sank, foolish earthling!
they never reversed
Hitting the iceberg head on would be unwise. But if you’re Captain Picard against the Scimitar, you re-route all power to Structural Integrity Field and ram it head on. Too bad Structural Integrity Field is just science fiction in Star Trek.
True, and Captain Smith wasn't facing off against an evil, but younger, clone of himself.
right on!
Titanic could have survived multiple bow compartments getting completely crumpled without loosing too much buoyancy.
Same applies for about any ship.
@@tuunaes But why WOULDN'T they try to AVOID the berg? This may shock you but unless they involve war ships, ships tend to try to NOT hit the object in front of them. Even Concordia tried to avoid the rocks once they got too close. Pick any (non-war related) ship-on-ship collision and odds are they tried to AVOID hitting each other.
Plus with the crush people estimate that pretty much every person in the bow (or at least 80-100 ft in) would be killed and hundreds more injured getting injured from the sudden stop, all of which would result in criminal charges against the officers and crew that were on the bridge since they would be questioned about why did they NOT try to avoid the iceberg.
@@1993digifan Corcordia doesn't count in this, because that was pure bottom contact... Except for bottom being ripped open from too long distance just like Titanic's side resulting in uncontrollable flooding.
And while gut feeling indeed would say to avoid head on collision at any cost, well built ships can actually survive big collision to bow, which is also the least "populated" area of passenger ship.
Also submarines have had head on collisions, like USN San Fransisco colliding to underwater sea mount.
1:44 White star land with luxury over speed
These mistakes that sealed Titanic's fate:
1. Racing ships' mistake in narrow channel.
2. Delayed maiden voyage for Olympic repairs.
3. Common practice for Trans Atlantic liners at full steam across the North Atlantic.
4. No binoculars meant to spot icebergs afar that were missed before left Southampton.
5. Bunker fire in Boiler Rm 5 that weakened hull.
6. Missed two vital ice warnings that never reached captain. With the last told to "Keep out, I'm working Cape Race."
7. Brittle rivets that weakened strength of hull in freezing waters.
8. Conning tower spotted iceberg too late for ship to turn away or reverse engines.
9. Damage from collision breached five compartments. Ship only designed to stay afloat with four compartments; Watertight doors too short designed to reach up to E-deck.
10. Open portholes by confused passengers in initial moments of sinking. Likely hastened ship's flooding.
You are a scholar🍷
Michael Davis
The fire therory was debunked
They ignored far more than two ice warnings. Carpathia, Baltic, Amerika, Californian, Caronia, and the Mesaba. I haven't included all the other warnings from dozens of other ships. The last, most important warning was the second one sent by the Mesaba. That one ended up under a paperweight and never made it to the bridge. One of the messages sent by the Amerika was to the U.S Hydrographic Office in D.C. Amerika passed two large icebergs and included co-ordinates. That one didn't make it to the bridge, either. Another of the warning messages was shown to passengers before it ended up on the chartboard, after which Captain Smith asked for it back.
@@sitnspin1819 Well, yes there were a dozen ice warnings before Titanic hit the iceberg. As there were just as many ships who answered her distress after. But only Carpathia was the only ship who braved her way through to Titanic that night to find her lifeboats the next morning, but was too late to save Titanic itself by then. Most other ships who answered her distress either refused to risk themselves through ice that night, too far/too slow to reach her sooner than 4 hours, or had their radio turned off while Titanic sank (which Californian was not the only one who never answered Titanic's distress but yes was asleep while she sank.)
@@michaeldavis29 The Carpathia, aside from the Californian, was 4 hours away while others were much further. One of the boats was at a complete stop as they were surrounded by ice field, growlers, and icebergs. The Carpathia only made it due to the experience of a crew that had full faith in their rock solid Captain. If the Titanic had an actual captain, not a Millionaires Captain, then perhaps we wouldn't be talking about this at all. Captain Smith is no hero.
you need slag in iron too much and weaken the rivets to little slag can also weaken the rivets so it's a balancing act
3:57 the background music for the Avengers Endgame Official Trailer as well.
Knew I recognised it!
@@clodaghohanlon2474 too bad this documentary didn’t use any of James Horner’s score from the 1997 film.
So if there wasn't a bunker fire and the port holes were closed how much more time would the Titanic had stayed afloat? 10 minutes? Serious question.
Number 1: hitting an iceberg
At 502 that guy next to the captain must have felt like something bad was going to happen he has too much of a sad face.
Binoculars would've made absolutely no difference :(
They could’ve. Even if they would’ve seen it a few seconds earlier that could’ve possibly saved the ship.
@@silence3314 Go outside in the dark and try using binoculars idiot.
@@silence3314 no it wouldn’t
@@silence3314 If anything, binoculars would have hindered the efforts of the lookouts to locate icebergs because binoculars limit your field of vision.
Maybe not, but Smith should have discussed it with the lookouts and asked if they wanted to borrow his own.
112 years on Rest In Everlasting Peace to the passangers crew and animals that lost there lives on Titanic never forgotten 💙🤍🌍🙏🕯️
The fact that Lifeboat 1 only had 12 people on it cuz people were still skeptical that the boat would sink but shortly after it became more obvious that it would sink panic started an the boats being filled like 50 an 60 people on it
#7 too was another amongst many that were lowered less than full. #7 was the first boat lowered and it was the one that took William Thompson Sloper who allegedly got off dressed as a woman. He never did . What happened, he was the first to register at the Waldorf-Astoria and the press totally knew so of course there was tons of reporters waiting and hoping for the scoop of a lifetime. His brother Harald and his dad who were there with him also kept telling reporters no (since William had already scribbled an exclusive for a friend of his) but the reporters being the way they oftentimes are started being more pushy and Harald intervening "perhaps a bit too forcefully" according to Walter Lord. (I wonder if Harald maybe told them to get lost?) Anyway the one reporter there from the New York Herald thought he would use the incident to what he thought was a way of teaching the Slopers more respect for the press. He put a story together which stated - guess what - that William Thompson Sloper left the sinking Titanic dressed as a woman
I am a survivor of the Titanic. I was born 3/7/1910. I am now 111 years old
Really?
@@evanpaluch6190no he is saying that as a joke
not sure if trust
So 109 years later we decide that the Titanic was sinking before it was even sinking.
Titanic has been underwater for almost 110 years. With next year marking not only that anniversary, but the 25th anniversary of James Cameron’s film, I don’t think we’ll ever forget.
They ignored the ice warnings they were careless because they themselves thought that Titanic would be unsinkable.
Arrogance!
Stop spreading misinformation and assume things. That’s absolutely false. The wireless on Titanic was working with cape race, several miles away. The Californian was jamming the signal and making a horrendous noise. Obviously if someone screamed in your ear while you’re on a phone call, you’d tell them to shut up. That’s the present-day equivalent of it. They weren’t “””ignorant”””” or thought the ship was i
“””unsinkable”””. No one did. It was simply a press thing.
@@hazyhope._. exactly plus the second to last before Californian didn't have MSG and all prior with MSG inspired Smith to CHANGE course ironically into a worse pack. If he'd been the careless captain some want to paint him as he'd have stayed on course and probably survived.
@@HagiaFantasia Oh shut up. The Switch Theory is absolutely insane. Titanic was under-insured by 3 Million 1912 dollars.
By the way, they didn't ignore the ice warnings if you do even the slightest bit of research. They changed courses.
Actually that is not the case, they didn’t ignored the warnings, they were aware of them and plus the captain moved the titanic’s course more south to avoid the ice.
My mans took that "shut up old man" personal
One: Failed to keep on top of the ice warning situation by insuring further warnings got to the bridge once they started coming in. Two: Failed to reduce speed significantly as they approached the area of concern. Three: The captain of the vessel likely should of been on the bridge to supervise any emergency response that may be required once they reached the area in question. Four: One of the five spare sets of binoculars available from the bridge should of been provided to the crowd nest. Five: Don't try to execute an emergency turn to port, and stop an ocean liner at the same time!
One more thing - but Smith would have had to be creative - put an extra pair of lookouts at the bow of the ship, with binoculars (one of the pair would use them to look only straight ahead), and give them a way to send an immediate alarm to the bridge - like firing a gun twice if it was not certain a yell would suffice. But yeah not slowing down, and (apparently) not talking through ahead of time what to do if an iceberg was seen, were the biggest faults.
It's been pretty well established that the titanic didn't reverse when approaching the iceberg. The officers would have known that the rudder wouldn't be effective at turning the ship if the propellers were in reverse. All stop is what historians think was the actual order given, not full-steam astern. Had they reversed the titanic likely wouldn't have turned very much and she would have essentially sailed straight into the iceberg. People believe the story got corrupted when Lightoller recounted the sinking in the 1930's.
Correct. They almost certainly did not reverse the engines. The only source of this claim is Officer Boxhall, while Lightoller insisted the engines were only ordered "All Stop". Regardless, killing the engines and stopping the props will stop the flow of water over the rudder, which is the only reason a rudder works at all - it must have moving water running across it on both sides in order to provide steerageway.
The crew still crippled the ship's steering by stopping the engines. Had they maintained speed, she may have avoided the collision.
Perhaps more intriguing than the missing binoculars is a copy of Lyle's "Efficient Use of Steam" on the bookshelf which was not published until 1947......
I feel like everyone involved in the titanic just never heard of Murphy’s law.
The portholes ..... never even thought about it.
That's reportedly what sped up the Britannic's sinking too
I blamed the guy who put it back on full speed and the people put it on low so they cannot hit the iceberg on the titanic
It wasn't actually going full speed iirc, but still pretty fast
@@recklessrex one band member was in the wrong key:::
Glad you guys used the sinking from THG
Instead of just using the animation from THG they should also have listened to what the guys from THG have been saying about what they found out about the sinking. THG have actually debunked quite a lot of the things that this video presents as facts.
Not mentioned here.....the excessive speed that Capt. Smith chose to do, knowing there was ice around; that's what sank the Titanic.
This was common practice, so no.
Speed was literally the second item listed in this video, at 1:30.
@@rcnfo1197 Due to the bad quality of the arguments used in this video, it does not matter, what items the video adressed. In summary, no.
You are right in away. It was considered normal to travel at almost full speed in those days, so long as it was clear weather with 2 look outs. If there was any haze they would slow down. How ever, the sea was that calm it did not break on the base of the berg so it didn't give any clue to its presence. To make matters worse it was a moonless night. You could say bad luck really. One of the rules after the inquest; was, to slow down after any report of ice bergs in the area.
@@kaybee5150 Right on.....wasn't there something, ( at the inquest ), about the lookout's not having binoculars?.....if they had had, would that have given Titanic time to turn...which it very nearly did.
you missed the point that they should not have put the engine in reverse at all. They might could have turned the ship around quicker that way
I agree. Plus, there’s new evidence to support that theory.
The ship was not put into reverse…
@@timothyreed8417 it doesnt mater everything other than forward stopped the center propeller that was behind the ruder and slowed turning down
@@DJJumpdancer the ship WAS NOT put into reverse. There is board of inquiry testimony to this…..a ship does not turn like a car. It kind of skids into the turn. The stern would swing out to starboard.
It had already started to turn to port by 2 points. It is also thought that it rode up onto the iceberg (underwater) as it turned.
@@timothyreed8417 they did stop the engines tho if they werent put in reverse
A Battleship is scary.. but an iceberg is straight COLD!!!!