Why Spring Piston Airguns DAMAGE Scopes... EXPLAINED
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yes the resistance of the pellet is a factor That keeps a better air cushion to brake the piston bounce , but its the fast change in direction of the recoil thats short moment of enorm g forces . like a slide hammer
High-powered air rifle's double recoil will wreck a firearms scope.
My Crosman Nitro Venom with hardwood furniture came with a Center Point 3-9x32 scope and two mounting rings. The scope is mil-dot, and works perfectly.
I attached all screws with blue Loctite.
I use Crosman pointed premium grade 7.4 grain pellets.
When I use Gamo Raptor PBA 5.4 grain alloy pellets, the rifle makes a loud crack-POW, which echos off the treeline across the road.
Cool.
Thanks for all the videos. I give a thumbs up to every one I watch.
Thank you!
The weight of the hardwood stock compensates a little bit with the recoil versus the light synthetic stocks, but shooting the PBA ammo is something I have never tried because I wanted to avoid the horrible BC and inaccurate results that come with shooting very light pellets at transonic speeds.
@@Fister_of_Muppets Thanks for the reply.
The Gamo Raptor PBA pellets were given to me. They are not a pellet I would buy because they are about $0.10 each.
The Gamos also give the same report out of my discontiuned Crosman MTR77 with a carry handle.
www.crosman.com/mtr77npc-177
I let people shoot either rifle with the Gamo pellet for the "wow" they have.
@@ussling the lighter pellets break the sound barrier and that is the loud CRACK sound
@@ussling that's a nice looking rifle. What is the magazine for?
Basically how fast your rifle can get to natural resonance. Depending on the pellet and rifle combo, you could cause some damage over time. Thanks for this video! Makes sense to me.
A tuner said the spring wobbles as it exands and that vibration from touching here and there as it crumples when compressed, causes side to side shaking. This is suppose to kik the snap rings loose. I saw one fly off a 99.99 scope. Dunno if I remember the description accurately tho!
Awesome thanks.
After your video I’m sticking with Crosman “Copper Magnum” which seem to work very well with the Nitro Piston Shockwave .22, I’m not too impressed with the “Red Flights”. At 50 yards they do not seem to penetrate hard wood (🤔) any more than the Copper Magnums and seem to be less accurate. At close range I’m sure they penetrate metal better but whatever.
Anyway I’m not going to start messing with other pellets now knowing what can happen.
And yeah I’ve had to tighten the mounts and make adjustments bc of vibrations, for the first time last night I tightened the mounts substantially harder. Before I was afraid of damaging the scope by over tightening, hope it all works out.
I have about 250 shots with a Vortex Optics Crossfire II 4-12x44 Scope, all good so far (knock knock).
Thank you for this tip. I just bought a break barrel rifle and I was planning to take a scope mounted on a 22. I bought a scope rated for air guns and crossbows instead.
Smart buy
I only buy cheap scopes for my guns. I look in Craigslist daily for airgun stuff.
A Sig Sauer 4-12 airgun scope w/adj parallax was listed for $50. Met the seller an hour later...I offered $40...he accepted !
The Sig Sauer rings that came with it got me $20 on eBay.
I got an awesome scope for only $20 !! Oh and it came in a Sig Sauer hard pistol case that my Ruger SR22 now calls home.
Excellent explanation.
Light optics with fixed magnification (for example 4x32 or 6x40) can be mounted on two-part mounts with a pin.
But heavy optics must go on a monobloc or if we want a two-piece mount it can only come on a picatinny rail because only then will both mounts carry the tube at the same time.
It will not happen that one is blocked by a pin and the other slides and breaks the tube.
That's from my experience.
Good thinking. I wonder then if using really heavy pellets (like eun jins) will also cause damage do to the piston rebounding due to too much cushioning. On that rebound there is no more air cushion and it bottoms out hard. You can feel it happen, if you don't have really heavy pellets try shooting two or three lighter pellets to get the same effect. Bad for the gun though so maybe don't try it.
Your testing and conclusions are logical. I'm wondering why the air gun engineers didn't see this with break barrels. Possibly their pleas fell on deaf ears as the bulk of rifle and pellet makers are invested in traditional weight ammo? Just speculating.
Forgot to ask, what model is the gun? Looks like a Crossman/Benji of some sort. Also do the same rules for pellet weight with a springer also apply to a nitro piston? Thanks.
@@scatblues7184 Crosman Fury 22cal and yes
Jimmy my friend good vid. But I had a thought for the 2 cheepy scopes why don't you duck tape them together and make a pair of binoculars out of them !? Lol
Lol good idea! Lol
Nice video bro, but at last you said "heavier pellet slow down", what do you mean by that. Can you tell me. Is it heaver pellets slow down recoil of gun?
Yes heavier pellet slows down the piston
Thank you for the good information.i will put this to the test as my scope will not stay sighted in due to the recoil.hope this works.thank you so much
So the light weight pellets may not be healthy, nor stealthy!?! My rws 34 loves normal weight.14 2+. My rws 350 loves normal to heavy. The scopes hate the magnum. May find more magnum weights to save my hawk airmax 3x9. With lighter pellets I hear the double smack spring bounce. Now I know why. Thanks!
Good information..
That makes sense.
Thanks appreciate it!
Thanks for the video! I was always told that spring rifles were scope destroyers due to their spring recoil, for that reason i bought a Bullseye anti recoil piece, do you think that might help or give longer life to the scope apart from using the adecuate pellets?
Did your mount help keep your scopes on zero?
@renegadebroadcastingrenega610 haha
very interesting and nicely explained!!!
Can deeply seating the pellet also help prevent scope damage? What about living the pellets to improve the seal?
Thanks again for a great video and the excellent information !!!
Stay Safe, Be Well, God Bless.
I wondered about this. Very interesting stuff.
Interesting stuff there James!
Thanks man!
I sheared the pin on a $89 dollar break barrel scope. using a 177 Bone Collector.
So, what's the solution to the problem.
Can I use a rifle scope on my air rifle?
Thanks mate for the good explanation but i have an B3 springer and i was told by the gunshop guys not to put a scope on because it will break the cross hairs so nowday you dont know who to believe and i was even intended to put on a Red dot and its not a brek barrel but an under lever.
Can you please advise me what to do
Under lever I'd personally still get a airgun rated scope
I have a Winchester 3x9x32ao scope on that exact rifle for years. No issues. Paid 40 bucks from Amazon
So are pistons ok? Because iv been thinking that pistons are breakers to but if not I guess I’m wrong hopefully I am considering most if mine are piston
Will the dianа optics protector prevent the optics from damaging?
yes but u will lose accuracy
I realy enjoy jour videos
I have learned a lot!
Keep em Coming!
Very late, but this seemed to be the only video I could find adressing this. Does this apply to lower power airguns aswell?(like 10 joules) Since that is the limit for license free airguns where I live.
probably not since recoil isnt as brutal
Good thinking.
Interestingly the manual for Weihrauch springers recommends heavier pellets.
coincidence huh? thanks!
What I always do to mi rifles is cutting the pre load off so the piston. 'll stop before hitting the wall so there is no kik
Just witch ever pellet is the Most accurate in your gun job done easy
What magnum springer scopes do you recommend? I have a walther Parrus in 177
Norica Magnum 3-9 42 AO , works great even on Hatsan 1000x , .177 , 1000fps , load of power in a gun , using H&n 0.66 grams pellets and it works great for a gun and for a scope
ONLY FIXED ZOOM SCOPES
so I guess if there is an option to buy 177 vs 22 on the same gun it is better to go with 22 for the longevity of the piston and scope?
I noticed this myself. The 177 rifles r shooting way 2 fast now. The 22 keeps the speed down n sound. Which I kinda like
Quite informative
What about the springer pistols that already have the little bumper plate screwed into gun butting up against the front of the rear sight? Will I be OK with my particular pistol(Hatsan Mod 25 supercharger) as long as that scope mount is butting up against that bumper plate preventing a slideback?
That should keep it from skidding but I bet that pistol puts off some crazy recoil
So I bought a hawk air rifle scope and had no problems with it so I assume there is still a difference between air rifle break barrel scopes a normal scopes
It will stop to hold zero. You will come there sooner or later. I have bin full of Airmaxes and others.
My Gamo stock scope on my varmint, the eye relief always come loose every 20 or so shots, no matter how much I tighten it. Pisses me off. I gotta get something better. Anything really.
I have gamo swarm magnum 10x igt gen2 and I'm looking for a scope l also ordered new Diana zero recoil mount to help with recoil
And how did it go?
Im studying my gun right now.
I think it’s inevitable…they will break. Buy an inexpensive Vortex scope. Lifetime guarantee. No questions, no receipt, just send the scope in…even if you ran it over with a lawn mower, it’s covered.
Right when we have it all figured out someone comes along and throws a Monkey Wrench 🔧 into the equation. LOL Seriously you have done your homework on this topic like many others.The jarring of the gun causes the scopes to break. But what causes the jarring well you answered that Question. Great job on the Analysis.
Thanks! I just wanted to share that the problem is deeper than just saying it's the "double recoil "
Agreed, good take on the issue
Please I'm from greece and I dont antersten very good English.i want to ask something its better the fat number 4,52 or 4,50 and for the scope its better more grains or low I comfiouz because its difficult to antersten the video.
Thanks very much.please explains with number and grains.
So heavier is better?
By this logic dry firing a spring piston gun should kill a scope quickest, right?
Correct, pellet acts as a piston dampener
Since I've started using proper air rifle scopes had no problems
i can't believe that a 308 scope will brake.
OR you could duck tape them end to end to look at the stars ! Just a idea ? Lol
my gammo shaddow 1000 177 snaps scope stop pins
WRONG! Buy a scope that can handle heavy recoil. Pellets have NOTHING to do with it. 🤣
Which scope is suitable in Diana 350 magnum classic .177
None.
What did you mean by combo scopes?
scopes that come with airguns not bought seperately
And if only scope manufacturers fucking knew this. It’s bullshit to make a product that you know nothing about.
To be honest, i know it is well known, but i think it is a load of crap.. It is more like air rifle scopes are crap. Go fire a 30 or a 35 caliber magnum.... If the recoil off one of them does not hurt the scope an air rifle never will... I just cannot see it myself..
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