I love that Carl constantly plugged Pauper! A MAN FOR THE PEOPLE! I would love to see some videos of user submitted Pauper decks! Or just Pauper videos in general
YES! Submitted pauper decks would be awesome! :D Though the 50 dollar restriction on the decks might not work quite as well 🤣. But pauper is definitely a format that should be covered more in general cuz it's very difficult for wizards to price people out of pauper XD
Tarmogoyf was in my local store's cheap card binder for $10... how the mighty have fallen. Broke my heart. I remember opening one in a MM2 draft and losing my mind! The Pro Tour when it was picked over a Burst Lightning ... so many great stories with the goyf.
Preordered my playset before Futuresight hit the shelves for ten bucks. Sold them for 170 around 2009. They did get even more expensive later but I didn't care.
One of my fondest memories of Magic is opening a box of Modern Masters with the friend who introduced me to the game. I remember how hard my hand was shaking as I opened a Tarmogoyf. He'll always be the king to me.
Still have my tarmos...the card is still good in modern, maybe not in the actual best deck, but who cares? He can eventually become better with the addition of battles in the format (good ones, of course)
Carl's wardrobe is so interesting and cool. A little out there sometimes but he always just rocks it like it's the most natural thing for him to wear. Stay stylish Carl!!!
It rarely gets mentioned, but there was a time when Celestial Colonade was $60 each, and Engineered Explosives was at $100, and worldwake Colonade right now is like $2 lol.
@@StickyBombLauncher yeah but fetches are multi-format staples, even EE gets used by different decks until now, but Colonnade is used in only 1 deck, that and Grove of the Burnwillows, once upon a time they were sooo overpriced lol
I remember my Worldwake release day. Some wiiiild hunts for manlands and occasional screams of "OMG I got Jace" from the corner immediately followed by all the sharks surrounding some poor kid. Sometimes I miss paper magic, but then I see some of these prices and my heart breaks so much. Prices are 100 times worse these days.
This is exactly why I never buy expensive cards. Can’t play with certain cards for a while unless you proxy but with the savings I can buy many more cards and decks. This was a cool video to see how many cards have changed.
In 10 years ragavan will be worth €4.74 30 day average I think the real question mark card is Sheoldred, multi format staple showing no sign of stopping.
I've been out of magic for a while but I casually keep up with the state of the game and I cannot for the life of me understand how Sheoldred costs as much as she does. It's like... a slightly better Siege Rhino?? How is a 4 cost beater even playable in formats where Ragavan, Voidwalker, opt, etc are legal? Would boomer jund even play Sheoldred over huntmaster/Kalitas back in the day?
@@kolr2873 It's mostly that high because it's super playable in many formats, modern, standard, pioneer, commander, etc. so the demand is high. The recent price spikes were most likely bc of Modern with the printing of the One Ring. You can use them together to stabilize insanely well and also punish your opponent for playing the Ring.
Sheoldred will not last anywhere near 10 years. Its power level is nowhere near ragavan or goyf or even clique. It's barely played in modern right now, let alone in 10 years.
@@kolr2873 It is definitely overpriced but what you're missing is that sheoldred is a win con by itself, without even needing to attack. some decks just scoop to a resolved sheoldred.
@@kolr2873 I'm not an expert but it's a MUCH better siege rhino, I'd say. Mono-coloured (easier to cast), continuously gains you life and loses your opponent life rather than just an etb, synergy with card draw to keep your life total up and punishes opponent's card draw. Can't speak for most formats since on paper I just play commander with friends where she's not all that good, but I play standard bo3 on Arena with a spellslingy burny Izzet deck and whenever Sheolderd resolves and I don't get an answer in the next 2 turns it's pretty safe to say I've lost. Seems like a pretty strong counter to my kind of deck in particular since I like drawing cards and don't have many sources of 5+ damage but I imagine it's rough for others too.
I actually have a playset Utopia Sprawls laying around that i must have traded or bought for pretty cheap about 10 years ago, really funny to find out it went through such a rollercoaster, but i'm happy to know reprints are diminishing these needlessly high prices nicely.
Okay but for real tho, both of the fakeout video ideas look fun as hell, obviously the Shahrazad one might not be possible if theres no footage but AI (Or custom) Commanders sounds really fun
A friend of mine who plays magic super casual, does not keep up with new times, I bought him a play set of Tarmogoyhs. He still believed they were super expensive. I never told him how cheap they became because his head exploded with happiness finally owning a play set. I paid 7.50$ each for them.
You're a great friend, doesn't matter how cheap they are now, but if someone gives me a set of goyfs, one of the most iconic mtg creatures of all time, i'd explode with happiness too lol
I reckon Ragavan will go the same way as Goyf. Answers will be printed that handle it too efficiently, the meta will shift, power creep will happen, but it has a level of iconic-ness that will prevent people from selling it for too cheap. Just the fact that it is _the_ Ragavan will probably be enough to keep demand high.
They already printed answers to it in the form of the pitch-cast elementals. Eventually every one-drop creature will need to have Ancestral Recall stapled onto it in order to be considered playable. In a roundabout way, Ragavan is already dangerously close to being exactly that as it is.
Also, I doubt Ragavan will ever be as iconic as Goyf was simply because of how long Goyf was good. Currently WotC's card-creating policies DEPEND on making Ragavan unplayable as soon as possible in order to capitalize on the market of competitive players.
I remember, when MM15 came out. I bought ONE booster. and get one normal Tarmo, and also one in foil. The other ones around me where shocked (I was too). But at the time, I didn't play green, so I sold it to the store manager to a good price.
here in Brazil pauper is huge. we just don't have the market weight for make this scratch the prices of common cards globaly another format growing much is what we call "Commander 500" which would translate well to "commander 100U$ or 100euros"
My friends and I started doing this thing where we made commander decks for each other, without telling them anything about the deck. We then all play a game with these decks, with the commanders face down. As a special action on your turn, you may ask a yes or no question about your commander, and then you may guess the commander. You may only cast the commander once you have gotten it right. It is an interesting test for improvisation and figuring out the deck you are playing on the fly. I highly recommend it, even off camera. Side note: because tutors make the mystery aspect of the game less interesting, we have a restriction on all tutors that you have 3 seconds to look at the deck for your tutor target. Ya know, so they won’t search through the deck finding all the combos, and instead need to figure them out more naturally.
I'd like to put together a "Binder of Regret" full of cards that were once worth a lot but got reprinted into the ground, to show off how dumb I've been to not sell them when I had the chance.
Serum Visions and Vendilion Clique still see play in 1v1 Highlander formats. V Clique was recently added to Arena so now I get to hit my fellow Zoomers with them.
Serum Visions and Preordained are two of my favorite cards of all time cause they allow me to play Ancestral Recall in my Commander deck without spending my rent money on a single card. Lol
Lol I've been cataloging my collection recently via manabox so I can actually find things to build with vs looking at 15,000 cards and going its gotta be there somewhere.....So I've had a lot of these moments the last week. Seeing staples you remember being hard to track down playsets for at the time and now its a bulk rare or down shifted lol. As someone who started playing when Lion's Eye Diamond was called trash it was a heartwarming to see it become the little lotus that could this far down the line. After sitting on my collection I'm trying to go back in and put it to use building a pauper play box and hopefully coming up with a few random cubes to time capsule my era(s) of magic (Mirage- Invasion) and also build a few to experience limited environments I missed over the years.... I missed Innistrad everytime 😭. I missed Lorwyn, I missed Kamigawa, I missed good Ravnica.... RTR block had a few gems but man what a lackluster time to try and make a comeback into game in hindsight lol fell back off at Theros when my playgroup fell apart.
I had preordered 2 tarmos at $15 each... then I sold them when they were worth $50, xince there was no way they would ever be worth more than that... how my heart ended up bleeding when their value continued going up
I could see Ragavan being still a good one drop in 10 years. A good one amongst many others. Watching this video reminds me that I once bought a playset of kitchen finks for 15 € each. 😂😅
I started playing modern Jund around 2015 and the price of the Goyfs and Lilis alone was probably around €7-800. The fall in price does not make me sad because more affordable cards makes Magic a better and more accessible game. The bit that does make me sad is that part of the reason the price has fallen is that these cards are less viable in modern than they used to be. I have so many great memories attached to these cards and I miss being able to cast them. I'm pretty sure I even cast a few against Jamin at a GP many years ago!
Rag will bottom at $13 if it sees reprints and some key red decks see bans AND another bowmasters like card gets printed again to make X/1s bad. It’s too efficient in too many decks to ever be truly a bulk rare.
I like the message, treat the cards as game pieces. That is the thing that I dislike, I have seen people upset at reprints and stuff like that because "it affects the value of the card"... dude... they are game pieces, the value should be what you can do with it in your deck, I hope they keep reprinting cards into the ground so everyone can play the game and play whatever they want
It's also meant to be a collectable card game, stores make money off of singles not off of packs, you print cards into oblivion we lose our LGS and those owners lose their home and lively hoods seems a horrible trade off if you ask me.
@@gnarleytarley3870 ... what? absolutely not, stores make more money from sealed products than they do from singles, just look at what has happened with yugioh, some stores have stopped selling it because they can't make money from the sealed product, where did you even hear stores make money from singles?
i sold my Sheoldred, the Apocalypse from DMU Prerelease too early for ~50 €. but i see her ~80€ status right now in danger. Hasbro will reprint... sooner or later
I hope that magic is still something that we can all still enjoy this much 10 years from now (also i hope that Ragsy drops by then or I'm never completing my legends collection)
That was an absolutely *wild* bait at the end, most people when they do a bit like that sit on it for a second or two, I genuinely thought the video was over 🤣
So sad about goyf and clique. For me still staples in my heart... And it was probably the modern format that i enjoy the most ( i played a lot of temur eternal command )
I know you talked about it briefly all the enchantments you could draft in Wilds of Eldraine. One that has been really fun to play is Necropotence. I can't play it on arena in any other format so I draft it every time I see it lol
How is Necropotence "fun"? It's just overpowered. In draft(20life, 1v1, no tutors, primary wincon is always through life-reducing beatdown) it's barrrrely scratching the line of "powerful, but not completely bonkers overpowered".
@@music00soba We all know that people like playing obviously overpowered cards. The whole question is "where is the fun aside from the obvious outrageous overpoweredness?".
Alot of these cards when revealed broke my heart. Especially when I buy them before their price dropped. May I ask for a continuation? Also, how many giant half cards do you guys have?
Very well done and interesting but looks like you missed the elefant in the room: enemy fetchlands have dropped half in price since 2016 where they were 25€ RW, 30€ BW, 35€ BG, 40€ UG, 45€ UR; Snapcaster Mage, a creature that not only used to be 40€ each but also was "the best creature printed in modern" for Reid Duke; Jace TMS, who, speaking of modern, was banned for many years and now struggles to see play at all; Knight of Reliquary, another big name in the modern menu back in 2015-16, now pretty cheap; Dark Confidant, who was the best draw engine in black now has been pushed out of Magic by W&6.
If Magic continues its current trend, I expect the equivalent Ragavan in ten years to be a 0-mana uncounterable creature with Flash and Split Second that can be cast from your library that says "You win the game you're playing, all games you'll ever play until the end of time, and all games that you have ever played in the past, but only if you own 1000 unique WotC NFTs and have sold half your brain to Hasbro for digital storage."
Ah yeah Utopia sprawl...Wilds of Eldraine definitely did a number on that card. I bought a box of WoE and I think I must have pulled like 7 or 8 of the damn things. They are *super* common on the bonus sheet compared to Rhystic Study or Smothering Tithe (both of which have also dropped in price thanks to the reprints with only the anime Smothering Tithe still being above £20 if you buy from UK only)
I sold all my goyfs when it was sitting at $100 each when MM15 dropped...(sold 5 total) a few friends said I was nuts. I had seller remorse...until I bought a whole new playset for $24.
oh dang, i started building a deck that wants to run Exsanguinate like a year before Commander Masters but decided to play something cheaper in its place. Guess it's time to get one of those slotted in there!
I was glad to see Exsanguinate get reprinted with some sweet new art. I had two playsets that I traded in a couple years ago, and damn am I glad I did. I HATE that they keep insisting that Urza gets reprinted. My Retro foil is not happy....😭
I play with Strip Mine in commander, targeted land destruction is sometimes needed. Lands like Gaea's Cradle and other lands need to be dealt with. Just don't run mass land destruction, that makes you a jerk.
In 10 years, if any of you have changed jobs, moved countries, even if Card Market or the TH-cam channel is dead, hell even if Magic is dead, we will still want the 3 of you to get together for the Ragavan price video
Off topic of the video but thanks to you guys I finally started playing MTG! Started on MTGA with the color challenges and now I'm building a budget Urza EDH deck (fitting for the thumbnail lol! All the bits and pieces were surprisingly cheap! Even the cedh staple!) Now I'm looking into a 60 card format to get into and I'm considering either Pauper or Pioneer. Thanks for introducing me to this world! (Though my wallet would be less happy lmao)
That's so sweet to hear! :D welcome to our favourite game! I'd recommend pauper as a fun early format as the decks are cheap and play more fairly than any other format :) thank you for your comment
about ragavan i think he will always be around 40, he will not be reprinted probably as then we need to go back to kaladesh which is highly unlikelly that it will happen soon(although i would love it as it is my favorite set), the only thing that could happen is banning ragavan from any format that will lower the price a lot, everyone that does not play it anymore will sell the card as fast as possible flooding the market with ragavans.
Excellent. I'll see you guys again in 10 years. I'll still watch your other videos in the meantime cuz you guys freakin rock and love the content, but yeah. I'll still see you all then.
A friend had fate reforged promo ugin and sold it. I was one day late my brother wanted to give him his Tarmogoyf which the friend could've sold for a higher price to trade for the Ugin. Both were kinda disappointed. Knowing the price drop this hurts even more. Especially because it was hard for my brother to sell cards after all he lives on the country side. And well he wasn't too sure about shipping.
This is why i buy box to draft them and i only use custom proxies for my commander decks. The price volatility of magic card outside reserved list is too big...
One thing to keep in mind is that Wizards stock price has tanked this year. For the first time in a long time, wall Street doesn't have high hopes for the future of MTG. In ten tears, Ragavan might be the most expensive creature in modern at $15
Currently, October 2023, a (near mint trend) Ragavan is ~62 (near mint trend) Sol rings on CardMarket. My guess is that in 2033 it will be ~10 Sol rings. I legit think it will never be strictly powercrept, but I think it might get banned in some formats, or non-commander formats might die down, or the gameplay might evolve where Ragavan isn't seeing top tier play.
Gonna agree with you there. I don't think they will ever make a strictly better ragavan, it will probably just stop being played due to metagame changes. If non-commander formats die, magic dies, so we don't need to worry about that scenario since then everything will collapse anyway.
Ragavan is gonna be bulk 100% in a decade, you think Modern Horizons 12 isn't going to completely invalidate it? By then we'll have a one mana 3/3 with haste that wins you the game when it deals combat damage
Well, mtg is increasingly turning into yugioh in the last 4 years or so. It didnt quiet jump off the cliff as much as konami did , but its getting there.
My total collection value has dropped 20% the last 2 years, and it’s all thanks to the insane power creep and the amount of product produced by WotC. And it’s not just me its most i know especially if you had cards orienterede for modern.
2033- Ragavan = 3/4 sol rings? And a 1-drop will have to have 4 power, or 3 with serious upside effects, to be top-tier playable in any largely aggro strategy. And the majority of new full-set releases and tournament-playable cards will be from non-Magic intellectual property, so most of the people trying to work in Ragavans will be doing it just for the nostalgia value.
I love that Carl constantly plugged Pauper! A MAN FOR THE PEOPLE!
I would love to see some videos of user submitted Pauper decks! Or just Pauper videos in general
YES! Submitted pauper decks would be awesome! :D Though the 50 dollar restriction on the decks might not work quite as well 🤣. But pauper is definitely a format that should be covered more in general cuz it's very difficult for wizards to price people out of pauper XD
Tarmogoyf was in my local store's cheap card binder for $10... how the mighty have fallen. Broke my heart. I remember opening one in a MM2 draft and losing my mind! The Pro Tour when it was picked over a Burst Lightning ... so many great stories with the goyf.
Preordered my playset before Futuresight hit the shelves for ten bucks. Sold them for 170 around 2009. They did get even more expensive later but I didn't care.
I opened my first and only Tarmagoyf at Modern Masters GP in Utrecht. I sold it right there at the vendor for €120 and never looked back.
One of my fondest memories of Magic is opening a box of Modern Masters with the friend who introduced me to the game. I remember how hard my hand was shaking as I opened a Tarmogoyf. He'll always be the king to me.
Still have mine in binder, still has sentimental value. But damn those reprints hurt my souls.
Still have my tarmos...the card is still good in modern, maybe not in the actual best deck, but who cares? He can eventually become better with the addition of battles in the format (good ones, of course)
Carl's wardrobe is so interesting and cool. A little out there sometimes but he always just rocks it like it's the most natural thing for him to wear. Stay stylish Carl!!!
Thank you :)
It rarely gets mentioned, but there was a time when Celestial Colonade was $60 each, and Engineered Explosives was at $100, and worldwake Colonade right now is like $2 lol.
I remember paying $80 for my first EEs. That was 2018. It was rough. It had been reprinted once in MM2013 and that was it.
Magic is a lot cheaper than it was before - $100 fetches were a thing too lmao.
I was there, Gandalf... Trying to build Jeskai Geist in 2018...
@@StickyBombLauncher yeah but fetches are multi-format staples, even EE gets used by different decks until now, but Colonnade is used in only 1 deck, that and Grove of the Burnwillows, once upon a time they were sooo overpriced lol
I remember my Worldwake release day. Some wiiiild hunts for manlands and occasional screams of "OMG I got Jace" from the corner immediately followed by all the sharks surrounding some poor kid. Sometimes I miss paper magic, but then I see some of these prices and my heart breaks so much. Prices are 100 times worse these days.
This is exactly why I never buy expensive cards. Can’t play with certain cards for a while unless you proxy but with the savings I can buy many more cards and decks.
This was a cool video to see how many cards have changed.
I really hope you guys do the videos you showed at 11:30, I got really excited to see Jamin ruining his back playing the Sharazad subgame
In 10 years ragavan will be worth €4.74 30 day average
I think the real question mark card is Sheoldred, multi format staple showing no sign of stopping.
I've been out of magic for a while but I casually keep up with the state of the game and I cannot for the life of me understand how Sheoldred costs as much as she does. It's like... a slightly better Siege Rhino?? How is a 4 cost beater even playable in formats where Ragavan, Voidwalker, opt, etc are legal? Would boomer jund even play Sheoldred over huntmaster/Kalitas back in the day?
@@kolr2873 It's mostly that high because it's super playable in many formats, modern, standard, pioneer, commander, etc. so the demand is high. The recent price spikes were most likely bc of Modern with the printing of the One Ring. You can use them together to stabilize insanely well and also punish your opponent for playing the Ring.
Sheoldred will not last anywhere near 10 years. Its power level is nowhere near ragavan or goyf or even clique. It's barely played in modern right now, let alone in 10 years.
@@kolr2873 It is definitely overpriced but what you're missing is that sheoldred is a win con by itself, without even needing to attack. some decks just scoop to a resolved sheoldred.
@@kolr2873 I'm not an expert but it's a MUCH better siege rhino, I'd say. Mono-coloured (easier to cast), continuously gains you life and loses your opponent life rather than just an etb, synergy with card draw to keep your life total up and punishes opponent's card draw.
Can't speak for most formats since on paper I just play commander with friends where she's not all that good, but I play standard bo3 on Arena with a spellslingy burny Izzet deck and whenever Sheolderd resolves and I don't get an answer in the next 2 turns it's pretty safe to say I've lost. Seems like a pretty strong counter to my kind of deck in particular since I like drawing cards and don't have many sources of 5+ damage but I imagine it's rough for others too.
I actually have a playset Utopia Sprawls laying around that i must have traded or bought for pretty cheap about 10 years ago, really funny to find out it went through such a rollercoaster, but i'm happy to know reprints are diminishing these needlessly high prices nicely.
Okay but for real tho, both of the fakeout video ideas look fun as hell, obviously the Shahrazad one might not be possible if theres no footage but AI (Or custom) Commanders sounds really fun
Lol thanks for mentioning it, I didn't even spot those!
A friend of mine who plays magic super casual, does not keep up with new times, I bought him a play set of Tarmogoyhs. He still believed they were super expensive. I never told him how cheap they became because his head exploded with happiness finally owning a play set. I paid 7.50$ each for them.
That still a very nice gift. It is not just the price that matters, its the thoughtfulness!
You're a great friend, doesn't matter how cheap they are now, but if someone gives me a set of goyfs, one of the most iconic mtg creatures of all time, i'd explode with happiness too lol
Love the mix of content! Excellent gameplay and good information to know!
I reckon Ragavan will go the same way as Goyf. Answers will be printed that handle it too efficiently, the meta will shift, power creep will happen, but it has a level of iconic-ness that will prevent people from selling it for too cheap. Just the fact that it is _the_ Ragavan will probably be enough to keep demand high.
They already printed answers to it in the form of the pitch-cast elementals. Eventually every one-drop creature will need to have Ancestral Recall stapled onto it in order to be considered playable. In a roundabout way, Ragavan is already dangerously close to being exactly that as it is.
@@cameroncorrado3935 in 10 years we are gonna ask if ancestral recall be power crept out of vintage
@@cameroncorrado3935 Heck, Orcish Bowmasters already makes Ragavan answered immediately with a bigger, badder threat
think goblin guide..
Also, I doubt Ragavan will ever be as iconic as Goyf was simply because of how long Goyf was good. Currently WotC's card-creating policies DEPEND on making Ragavan unplayable as soon as possible in order to capitalize on the market of competitive players.
It feels like the gap between expencive and cheap cards is becoming larger and larger as time goes on
Also, this is way more then 5 cards
The destruction of the planeswalker middle class has been ongoing ever since the election of Urza
No modern stables today are 175€. The most expensive cards used to be way more than they are today.
Every card I need is $10 or $400
@@TaisxD That's because wizards is killing modern to prop up arena.
Noble hierarch had such a major crash... it was at 60€, now for this price you could get 5 copies...
I remember, when MM15 came out. I bought ONE booster. and get one normal Tarmo, and also one in foil. The other ones around me where shocked (I was too). But at the time, I didn't play green, so I sold it to the store manager to a good price.
Holy shit, I can't believe this happened to someone else! I just sold them back to the store for in store credit and bought a box.
I totally agree, Ragavan bulk rare in 10 years.
here in Brazil pauper is huge. we just don't have the market weight for make this scratch the prices of common cards globaly
another format growing much is what we call "Commander 500" which would translate well to "commander 100U$ or 100euros"
My buddies and I played $100 commander years ago, some of the most fun I've had building and playing with the gan. Would recommend
My friends and I started doing this thing where we made commander decks for each other, without telling them anything about the deck. We then all play a game with these decks, with the commanders face down. As a special action on your turn, you may ask a yes or no question about your commander, and then you may guess the commander. You may only cast the commander once you have gotten it right. It is an interesting test for improvisation and figuring out the deck you are playing on the fly. I highly recommend it, even off camera.
Side note: because tutors make the mystery aspect of the game less interesting, we have a restriction on all tutors that you have 3 seconds to look at the deck for your tutor target. Ya know, so they won’t search through the deck finding all the combos, and instead need to figure them out more naturally.
I'd like to put together a "Binder of Regret" full of cards that were once worth a lot but got reprinted into the ground, to show off how dumb I've been to not sell them when I had the chance.
Serum Visions and Vendilion Clique still see play in 1v1 Highlander formats. V Clique was recently added to Arena so now I get to hit my fellow Zoomers with them.
Back then, 7 years ago, when I started playing modern, I builded jund shadow, I spented 1'500 euro and 400 of them where a playset of goyfs 😅
💎🙌 brother
Serum Visions and Preordained are two of my favorite cards of all time cause they allow me to play Ancestral Recall in my Commander deck without spending my rent money on a single card. Lol
I agree, Karl. Pauper is a very good format.
You keep preaching the good word of pauper Carl!!!
Lol I've been cataloging my collection recently via manabox so I can actually find things to build with vs looking at 15,000 cards and going its gotta be there somewhere.....So I've had a lot of these moments the last week. Seeing staples you remember being hard to track down playsets for at the time and now its a bulk rare or down shifted lol. As someone who started playing when Lion's Eye Diamond was called trash it was a heartwarming to see it become the little lotus that could this far down the line. After sitting on my collection I'm trying to go back in and put it to use building a pauper play box and hopefully coming up with a few random cubes to time capsule my era(s) of magic (Mirage- Invasion) and also build a few to experience limited environments I missed over the years.... I missed Innistrad everytime 😭. I missed Lorwyn, I missed Kamigawa, I missed good Ravnica.... RTR block had a few gems but man what a lackluster time to try and make a comeback into game in hindsight lol fell back off at Theros when my playgroup fell apart.
16:15 what is Carl pointing at thats got him so excited? Lol
Great video as always guys :) The chemistry you three have is fantastic
I had preordered 2 tarmos at $15 each... then I sold them when they were worth $50, xince there was no way they would ever be worth more than that... how my heart ended up bleeding when their value continued going up
I could see Ragavan being still a good one drop in 10 years. A good one amongst many others.
Watching this video reminds me that I once bought a playset of kitchen finks for 15 € each. 😂😅
I had 8 utopia sprawl foil at one point around the master25 time, happy I sold 4 of them.
I started playing modern Jund around 2015 and the price of the Goyfs and Lilis alone was probably around €7-800. The fall in price does not make me sad because more affordable cards makes Magic a better and more accessible game. The bit that does make me sad is that part of the reason the price has fallen is that these cards are less viable in modern than they used to be.
I have so many great memories attached to these cards and I miss being able to cast them. I'm pretty sure I even cast a few against Jamin at a GP many years ago!
Love how often he says Pauper and praises it! I would love a pauper commander match! (maybe brawl size)
OOOOOOH heck yeah! Pauper commander is the best.
Low-budget commander is also fun, just a little more tedious.
Aaaand an Urza for my Jeskai Artifice cube has been purchased. lol Thank you thumbnail. Glad it reached a price point where I was happy with it.
Rag will bottom at $13 if it sees reprints and some key red decks see bans AND another bowmasters like card gets printed again to make X/1s bad.
It’s too efficient in too many decks to ever be truly a bulk rare.
You guys have been killing it lately! Such fun videos.
I like the message, treat the cards as game pieces. That is the thing that I dislike, I have seen people upset at reprints and stuff like that because "it affects the value of the card"... dude... they are game pieces, the value should be what you can do with it in your deck, I hope they keep reprinting cards into the ground so everyone can play the game and play whatever they want
It's also meant to be a collectable card game, stores make money off of singles not off of packs, you print cards into oblivion we lose our LGS and those owners lose their home and lively hoods seems a horrible trade off if you ask me.
@@gnarleytarley3870 ... what? absolutely not, stores make more money from sealed products than they do from singles, just look at what has happened with yugioh, some stores have stopped selling it because they can't make money from the sealed product, where did you even hear stores make money from singles?
i sold my Sheoldred, the Apocalypse from DMU Prerelease too early for ~50 €. but i see her ~80€ status right now in danger. Hasbro will reprint... sooner or later
I hope that magic is still something that we can all still enjoy this much 10 years from now (also i hope that Ragsy drops by then or I'm never completing my legends collection)
That was an absolutely *wild* bait at the end, most people when they do a bit like that sit on it for a second or two, I genuinely thought the video was over 🤣
I'll guess that 10 years from now, Ragavan will be worth about 5 Sol Rings. Who knows if I'll remember to check this in 2033, though.
So sad about goyf and clique. For me still staples in my heart... And it was probably the modern format that i enjoy the most ( i played a lot of temur eternal command )
In 10 years no one will even know what Ragavan does, and honestly it’ll be better that way
It has enough text that alot of players don't know what it does now
I know you talked about it briefly all the enchantments you could draft in Wilds of Eldraine. One that has been really fun to play is Necropotence. I can't play it on arena in any other format so I draft it every time I see it lol
just play it in paper, where you can proxy out a deck with all the other fun expensive cards
I saw it earlier today in a Historic Brawl match, so it must be legal there.
How is Necropotence "fun"? It's just overpowered.
In draft(20life, 1v1, no tutors, primary wincon is always through life-reducing beatdown) it's barrrrely scratching the line of "powerful, but not completely bonkers overpowered".
@@TehKorwinMikke some people enjoy playing with good cards its not that deep
@@music00soba We all know that people like playing obviously overpowered cards. The whole question is "where is the fun aside from the obvious outrageous overpoweredness?".
Alot of these cards when revealed broke my heart. Especially when I buy them before their price dropped. May I ask for a continuation? Also, how many giant half cards do you guys have?
I'm sad to see Tarmogoyf fall so far. I forgot who said this, but Tarmogoyf was the best blue creature, haha,
I love these segments. Many of these needed a reprint.
My 2015 commander decks i spent $1500+ each on is now worth trash 😢😢😢
Hearing the music swell...then noting that there are 4 minutes left in the video and getting excited for more content 😁
Very well done and interesting but looks like you missed the elefant in the room: enemy fetchlands have dropped half in price since 2016 where they were 25€ RW, 30€ BW, 35€ BG, 40€ UG, 45€ UR; Snapcaster Mage, a creature that not only used to be 40€ each but also was "the best creature printed in modern" for Reid Duke; Jace TMS, who, speaking of modern, was banned for many years and now struggles to see play at all; Knight of Reliquary, another big name in the modern menu back in 2015-16, now pretty cheap; Dark Confidant, who was the best draw engine in black now has been pushed out of Magic by W&6.
13:03 Nice on Toffel. Don´t know how many caught that song reference.
If Magic continues its current trend, I expect the equivalent Ragavan in ten years to be a 0-mana uncounterable creature with Flash and Split Second that can be cast from your library that says "You win the game you're playing, all games you'll ever play until the end of time, and all games that you have ever played in the past, but only if you own 1000 unique WotC NFTs and have sold half your brain to Hasbro for digital storage."
I think we should all measure the price of cards in Sol Rings from now on
Ah yeah Utopia sprawl...Wilds of Eldraine definitely did a number on that card. I bought a box of WoE and I think I must have pulled like 7 or 8 of the damn things. They are *super* common on the bonus sheet compared to Rhystic Study or Smothering Tithe (both of which have also dropped in price thanks to the reprints with only the anime Smothering Tithe still being above £20 if you buy from UK only)
"Noone will be caught dead playing a Wild Nacatl"
Me, who played it a few nights ago: 👀
Lilliana of the Veil is also a card I "lost" a lot of money on. Used to be amazing in modern, but now? Nobody plays it anymore.
Mono-Black Pioneer plays her, and there’s also 8-rack. But yeah, not a ubiquitous card in Modern anymore
I sold all my goyfs when it was sitting at $100 each when MM15 dropped...(sold 5 total) a few friends said I was nuts. I had seller remorse...until I bought a whole new playset for $24.
I've never bought utopia sprawl for the price, then i watched the video.
Thank you! ❤
very interesting, thanks cardmarket!
oh dang, i started building a deck that wants to run Exsanguinate like a year before Commander Masters but decided to play something cheaper in its place. Guess it's time to get one of those slotted in there!
Great content as always
I was glad to see Exsanguinate get reprinted with some sweet new art. I had two playsets that I traded in a couple years ago, and damn am I glad I did.
I HATE that they keep insisting that Urza gets reprinted. My Retro foil is not happy....😭
They did urza dirty man. Breaks my heart. My mh2 urza etched is still one of my favorite pulls. Unreal the amount of reprints. What 8 bucks now?
All these cards are great for a cube! And deliciously cheap...
Excellent *taps fingers together*
do this more this is so cool! (you should do biggest price drops of all time)
Great format, great music too!
I play with Strip Mine in commander, targeted land destruction is sometimes needed. Lands like Gaea's Cradle and other lands need to be dealt with. Just don't run mass land destruction, that makes you a jerk.
I got the confetti foil doubling season and I'm considering selling it now because of powercreep more than because of reprints.
Sell the trash gimmick now!
Bought 12 utopia sprawl for 0.40 ea shortly after the reprint lol some great reprints in that set
WE NEED THOSE TWO EPISODES
In 10 years, if any of you have changed jobs, moved countries, even if Card Market or the TH-cam channel is dead, hell even if Magic is dead, we will still want the 3 of you to get together for the Ragavan price video
I never had the goyfs, but I wish I had known to sell my Serum Visions. They are just sitting in a box.
I think Vendilion Clique would still be worth 10-15$ if Wren and Six and Bowmasters weren’t in Modern.
Great video, if you guys are planning to do another you should add mikaeus the unhalloed ❤
Off topic of the video but thanks to you guys I finally started playing MTG! Started on MTGA with the color challenges and now I'm building a budget Urza EDH deck (fitting for the thumbnail lol! All the bits and pieces were surprisingly cheap! Even the cedh staple!) Now I'm looking into a 60 card format to get into and I'm considering either Pauper or Pioneer. Thanks for introducing me to this world! (Though my wallet would be less happy lmao)
That's so sweet to hear! :D welcome to our favourite game! I'd recommend pauper as a fun early format as the decks are cheap and play more fairly than any other format :) thank you for your comment
about ragavan i think he will always be around 40, he will not be reprinted probably as then we need to go back to kaladesh which is highly unlikelly that it will happen soon(although i would love it as it is my favorite set), the only thing that could happen is banning ragavan from any format that will lower the price a lot, everyone that does not play it anymore will sell the card as fast as possible flooding the market with ragavans.
I predict Ragavan will be worth 9.18USD and solring will be worth 1 cent each, so 1 Ragavan will be 918 Sol Rings
Crazy how ragavan was 60€ like in march of this year and now it's at around 30
NOW THIS IS THE BEST TYPE OF CONTENT stuff like this I love and neeed!
Excellent. I'll see you guys again in 10 years.
I'll still watch your other videos in the meantime cuz you guys freakin rock and love the content, but yeah. I'll still see you all then.
Perfect!
Halloween of next year!
Perfect timing 😁😁
Lyobe your content and cant wait to see that video on ragavan's value 😅😅
A friend had fate reforged promo ugin and sold it. I was one day late my brother wanted to give him his Tarmogoyf which the friend could've sold for a higher price to trade for the Ugin. Both were kinda disappointed. Knowing the price drop this hurts even more. Especially because it was hard for my brother to sell cards after all he lives on the country side. And well he wasn't too sure about shipping.
This is why i buy box to draft them and i only use custom proxies for my commander decks.
The price volatility of magic card outside reserved list is too big...
mom, dad, the european card? company? comfort channel? posted again
One thing to keep in mind is that Wizards stock price has tanked this year. For the first time in a long time, wall Street doesn't have high hopes for the future of MTG. In ten tears, Ragavan might be the most expensive creature in modern at $15
true but stock prices are not in any way related to the real world.
Can we talk about Gilded Drake needing a reprint? Lol. My Aminatou needs it.
When do you think Dauthi Voidwalker will drop price? I'm actually building Greel's commander (shown in this channel) and this one is too expensive ;(
When Modern was announced I traded my extra V cliques for a Library of Alexandria. Good times.
Currently, October 2023, a (near mint trend) Ragavan is ~62 (near mint trend) Sol rings on CardMarket.
My guess is that in 2033 it will be ~10 Sol rings. I legit think it will never be strictly powercrept, but I think it might get banned in some formats, or non-commander formats might die down, or the gameplay might evolve where Ragavan isn't seeing top tier play.
Gonna agree with you there. I don't think they will ever make a strictly better ragavan, it will probably just stop being played due to metagame changes. If non-commander formats die, magic dies, so we don't need to worry about that scenario since then everything will collapse anyway.
Ragavan is gonna be bulk 100% in a decade, you think Modern Horizons 12 isn't going to completely invalidate it? By then we'll have a one mana 3/3 with haste that wins you the game when it deals combat damage
Well, mtg is increasingly turning into yugioh in the last 4 years or so. It didnt quiet jump off the cliff as much as konami did , but its getting there.
Love watching these guys!!!! Great line-up
Cool video and all, but the real star is Carl's shirt. Nice fit, man!
love the new improved set !
carls outfits are always amazing
I guess they're saving Snapcaster for another video. I picked up a playset on the cheap, but I can't make them make sense in that many builds.
Still playable in EDH.
Thanks for the BONUS CARD
im suprised liliana of the veil and karn liberated weren't included in this list. Ragavan will hopefully be $5 in 10 years.
Let the people ramp! 😂 I agree Jamin!
I was so curious what you guys were going to call cents because I didn't know how the euro broke down.
Dang, should've got out of my foil playset of dissension utopia sprawl when they were $50.
My total collection value has dropped 20% the last 2 years, and it’s all thanks to the insane power creep and the amount of product produced by WotC.
And it’s not just me its most i know especially if you had cards orienterede for modern.
2033- Ragavan = 3/4 sol rings?
And a 1-drop will have to have 4 power, or 3 with serious upside effects, to be top-tier playable in any largely aggro strategy.
And the majority of new full-set releases and tournament-playable cards will be from non-Magic intellectual property, so most of the people trying to work in Ragavans will be doing it just for the nostalgia value.