How has this 2011 Range Rover Supercharged caused such a fiasco in the CAR WIZARD's shop?

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  • @Colbybartley
    @Colbybartley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +183

    I know what rotor turning/refinishing is but I’ve never seen it done before. Pretty cool, thanks for that!

    • @gordythecreator
      @gordythecreator 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes...! What You said...

    • @danh655
      @danh655 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      +1

    • @dalamar6228
      @dalamar6228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What needs to be mentioned is a check for the minimum thickness allowed for the rotor type. I don’t think Wizard mentioned this.

    • @blackvulcan100
      @blackvulcan100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@terencejay8845 Yes got to agree the discs are not that expensive.

  • @lindanelson8400
    @lindanelson8400 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    When people are willing to ship their vehicles long distances to get them worked on, that's a testament to the shop and the mechanics. I really appreciate your videos, I always learn something new.

  • @andrewgraves6198
    @andrewgraves6198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    Was watching old Hoovies Garage videos over the rainy holiday weekend and was stunned by David being frozen and staring at the camera like a deer in headlights. It’s insane how far your channel has come over the past few years-probably my favorite automotive channel on TH-cam. You’ve even inspired me to start working on my own car again. Can’t wait to see what you and Mrs. Wizard do in the future.

    • @ImTheJoker4u
      @ImTheJoker4u 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You should check out Eric O. at South Main Auto😉👍👍

    • @briannichols4807
      @briannichols4807 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You're absolutely right about Car Wizard being a great channel , a huge improvement over Scotty Kilmer . Why he has all the views and subscribers that he does , I have no idea !!

    • @braxtonnelson7422
      @braxtonnelson7422 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I second this post! I will choose a Car Wizard video over any other when I check on TH-cam, and I have been subscribed since Uncle Hoovie first introduced Dave to us! The two of them together are wonderful entertainment... much better than most of the drivel on TV nowadays!

    • @wev2344
      @wev2344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s how I came to this channel, but in my opinion, the Car Wizard is better Hoovies Garage.

    • @daakrolb
      @daakrolb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wizard is awesome. Eric O of South Main Auto is excellent, as is Ivan of Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics.

  • @joeybaez1745
    @joeybaez1745 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The reason why people are shipping there cars to you wizard is because you are a honest and well know mechanic that truly cares about the customer and will get the job done wright, there are many mechanic's OUTTHERE but not like you, thank you so much for being the way you are...love your channel

  • @ryanroberts1104
    @ryanroberts1104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You should look for a handful of shops around the country that you know do good work like you do - and maybe that come with recommendations from other car guys and let everybody else know. I'd love to bring my vehicles to you to work on, but it's just too far - but I would happily go to anybody you recommend.
    Finding a good, trustworthy mechanic that actually takes care of your vehicle and doesn't try to fix things that aren't broken is *incredibly* hard to do!

  • @nelsonhernandez2513
    @nelsonhernandez2513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Car Wizard I must say not to many mechanic shops are interested in turning rotors or drums anymore I personally was taught in hs how to use one of these machines and love them.

  • @hellkitty1014
    @hellkitty1014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    Wizard: "It's one of my favorite designs. It's here for many issues". The most honest thing a man will say today.😂

    • @15DudeAwesome
      @15DudeAwesome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The Wizard speaks from the heart

  • @quintonb9870
    @quintonb9870 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your demonstration on the rotor resurfacing machine is a good example of how "warped" rotors aren't actually warped in most cases; they're worn unevenly, resulting in spots that are thinner/thicker than the rest of the rotor.

  • @stkrrauch1
    @stkrrauch1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i am a self employed carpenter and i have watch from day 1 /to see your growth and how far people will go to have you work on their cars makes me take the extra time and effort to do a professional job because you prove that if your work is quality you will always have plenty of customers /hard work pays off

  • @tommykh1949
    @tommykh1949 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Late L322's are good cars. We've the twin-turbo 4.4 diesel V8 (Ford engine) here in Spain, with the ZF 8-speed gearbox with the rotary dial - very brisk and easily achieves 35 mpg. The sunroof can 'drop' and if you don't notice it, it will leak - holding the button in the 'closed' position for liKe 15 seconds resets it. Normally happens after the battery has been removed for a while. Nice vid!

    • @ericdunn555
      @ericdunn555 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Early L322s with the BMW M57 engine are cheaper to buy (mine cost £1400) and cheaper & easier to work on;
      prefer them to the later L322s, and they can be upgraded with 2nd-hand parts to look like late L322s.

  • @danr1920
    @danr1920 3 ปีที่แล้ว +207

    He loves them because they paid for his three yachts!

    • @joelayala9896
      @joelayala9896 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well yes and no, if that would be the case he then will work on bmws

    • @jimamizzi1
      @jimamizzi1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does he still have the first yacht, I no he said the second one was to small

    • @Matt_from_Florida
      @Matt_from_Florida 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joelayala9896 Ain't that the truth. I sure as Hell love Z4's, but I don't want to own a *brittle-plastic toy car,* thank you very much!

    • @ti1ion
      @ti1ion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The funny part is that most people watching this video have never heard Click and Clack (Tom and Ray Magliozzi) using this theme in their show for years. And here is Car Wizard, living it!

    • @johnbreadsell1401
      @johnbreadsell1401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The boats have all gone up in price, more profit.

  • @cobraspottedwolf8791
    @cobraspottedwolf8791 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have a 2006 Rover supercharged. Jaguar engine. 188000 miles. It's been a great vehicle

  • @JohnGotts
    @JohnGotts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    I was wearing a Car Wizard t-shirt on Thursday and I was complimented as I checked into my hotel in Wilkes-Barre, PA.

    • @rustler08
      @rustler08 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You were complimented as it complemented your complexion.

    • @seanhershey3390
      @seanhershey3390 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cool...( state College pa)

    • @seanhershey3390
      @seanhershey3390 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rustler08 huh?

    • @philb707
      @philb707 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Funny I live on Wilkes Barre street in PA

    • @jaytaylor2090
      @jaytaylor2090 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But where is the actual shop located??😬

  • @fabulousprofound
    @fabulousprofound 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Local shops in my area don’t bother machining rotors anymore because the increase in labor costs has meant just replacing with new is cheaper 🤷

    • @bdpopeye
      @bdpopeye 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same here in Cedar Rapids IA. Most shops just replace them. When I had my old Camry the place where I took it for maintenance said their parent company that owns a mixed bagged of shops won't let any shops turn rotors. Too time consuming. Plus the probably have a nice mark up on new brake parts.

    • @acertainshape
      @acertainshape 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I assume Land Rover rotors are more expensive to replace.

  • @21Piloteer
    @21Piloteer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    So many shops today just want to replace rotors, often with aftermarket rotors that may not be of the same quality as OEM. I often ask for the rotors to be turned rather than replaced when I take my vehicles in for brake work. Now I do realize there is a minimum thickness they have to be and can't be turned too many times.

    • @Mandurath
      @Mandurath 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, if they don't check to make sure its within spec after cutting, they probably shouldn't be cutting.

    • @Kavi4GP
      @Kavi4GP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Most OES companies cast the units together and just mark it differently, just look who made the genuine and buy the OES units

    • @ast5515
      @ast5515 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I've never had warped rotors.
      If it's a good rotor to begin with, you will never have to turn it. Just wait until it's worn and toss it.

    • @juki6377
      @juki6377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Kavi4GP good advice, i found it hard to get that info though and those sort of questions annoy people when you are just coming in for a servicing

    • @DrinkWhiskeyRaiseHell
      @DrinkWhiskeyRaiseHell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Mike exactly. they just warp the next time around even faster since they are thinner. Most vehicles have around 1mm of thickness that can removed. Found a chart for Range Rover saying 3mm.....

  • @shannons1886
    @shannons1886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    L322 SuperCharged are amazing. Sort out the air suspension and it is a dream.

    • @maxhiller2167
      @maxhiller2167 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Air suspension and ease of blowing 9ne of these damn 5.0's up do not assume bc ford and the stang that its the same 5.0. Idk if its just the Eaton blower or what but u can fry these way too easily for a performance vehicle.

  • @gstevens6948
    @gstevens6948 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I really appreciate how you take time to explain the technical aspects of things. Very informative you are 🧙‍♂️ Wizard!

  • @braxtonnelson7422
    @braxtonnelson7422 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I worked in auto parts in my teens (late 1970s), and I learned how to turn drums and rotors (on an Aamco brake lathe). The man who owned the auto parts stores where I worked (he and his wife owned three stores) was a machinist who taught me how to properly use the machines, and I have turned many, many drums and rotors over the years. This was like a blast from the past for me! I also learned how to make hydraulic hoses (we had many local farmers as customers), fill and charge batteries (back then, automotive batteries were shipped to the stores dry-- only to be filled with battery acid and activated when the customer purchased one), and how to rebuild starters and alternators. We had no computers to look up parts; we had catalog racks which required frequent replacement of catalogs and price sheets to stay current. This meant that if the power went out, we only needed a flashlight to look up and sell parts, which was handy when Hurricane Frederick hit! I sure miss the "good old days" at Rudy's Automotive Supply in Fairhope, Alabama, Bayside Auto Parts in Daphne, Alabama, and Baldwin Auto Parts in Spanish Fort, Alabama... all gone, but not forgotten!

  • @reddstool1023
    @reddstool1023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I owned a 2010 hse lux. By far the best suv I've ever owned. Cel light remained on all the time for the left cat, the standard brakes were way too weak, did the air suspension once. Other than that I never had any issues. Traded it in at 137k and its still on the road today.

    • @mooauto2388
      @mooauto2388 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂 you got tired of it huhh

    • @reddstool1023
      @reddstool1023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Got a personal issue with Range Rovers "huhh"....Traded it in for a newer one 😎

    • @daniels2761
      @daniels2761 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@reddstool1023 WOW 137k?!?! At that point a Lexus or Toyota SUV has appreciated over its original price. 😂

    • @kustu
      @kustu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@daniels2761 Yeah and the driver is just as miserable as the day he bought it.

  • @randyneugent
    @randyneugent 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wizard, back when I was a GM Service Advisor, I used to document my R.O.'s as Resurfaced Rotors To Parallel Specs. People often state (not you Wizard) that their rotors were "out of round", which is impossible. The rotor faces become "out of parallel" with one another. It's nice to see that you've got this nice & fine machine in your shop. Maybe next, Ranger (Bendpack), could hook up with a nice & fine wheel balancing machine for your shop. You've really got it going on in your shop. I love the videos that you do & look forward to watching them for a long time to come. Keep up the great work buddy !!!

    • @philtowle4683
      @philtowle4683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would have thought it is more likely the braking surfaces are not parallel/true to the mounting surface than to each other.

    • @randyneugent
      @randyneugent 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philtowle4683 No, the mounting surface has nothing to do with this issue. The brake rotor's sides are out of parallel with one another...they are warped from heat. Resurfacing of the rotors corrects this. Symptoms of this issue is typically a pulsing brake pedal and/or shaking of steering wheel during the braking process. If the rear brake rotors/drums are bad, you feel it in the seat of the vehicle. Bear in mind that cross-drilled / slotted brake rotors cannot be resurfaced because brake lathe will dig into those holes. LOL...it would be a freaking mess...bigtime !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @philtowle4683
      @philtowle4683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@randyneugent The drum only has one braking surface which is related back to the bearing location. The disc has two faces related to each other AND the mating face to the hub. When measuring the runout on the disc or rotor it is done in relation to the axis of the disc.

  • @jbizzle8491
    @jbizzle8491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I agree headliner removal does take a while (depending on the vehicle/age), HOWEVER it does not take weeks to do a headliner. I bought my suede headliner material from ebay (quality stuff) and hired a sunroof shop to install it which took about a day to complete (my vehicle isn't small either, 2013 Yukon XL). A year later and it's still excellent. Headliners can take a few days, depending on how easy it is to strip and readhesive (especially the roof curvature). BUT NOT WEEKS! LOL

  • @myleswalker2016
    @myleswalker2016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love The Videos Car Wizard! Please keep them coming, I’ve done lots of work on cars that you’ve featured on your channel. It’s just taking me back watching your videos! I’m 24 years old now but back when I first finished high school I started doing a lot of British, English, & Italian cars. Long story short, I remember doing LOTS of timing guides & head gaskets on those engines. All the hard plastic lines ! 🤦‍♂️ Just a nightmare of a job! 50 freaking bolts holding the supercharger on lol but I honestly enjoyed it. But definitely keep the video’s coming, you seem fair, thorough, and honest & that goes a LONGG Way, love it man. I may have to come visit you at Omega sometime 😊 Thanks Again

  • @next0845
    @next0845 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Here in the uk we don’t turn brake discs. Only on very expensive cars. We just replace them as they are so cheap on eBay.

    • @rosen9425
      @rosen9425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most OEMs aren't even expensive enough to warrant turning really. If they can be turned in the first place.

  • @onlyhereonce7290
    @onlyhereonce7290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The most comprehensive video you have made to date. Magic Mike helped out. Along with Mrs. Wizard. What a great team. A lot goes into a sun roof repair and even a simple Brake Rotor repair. Great stuff. And thank you.

  • @glenmeyer5079
    @glenmeyer5079 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Wizard, enjoyed the brake lathe session. I would think it would be good to have discussed the minimum rotor thickness required when turning. Great video.

    • @philtowle4683
      @philtowle4683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Quite often min is machined or stamped on edge of disc, whether you can read it for rust is another matter.

  • @jackasaurus03
    @jackasaurus03 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I love how the dash is pretty much symmetrical so they can more easily swap LHD and RHD around

    • @ericdunn555
      @ericdunn555 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      T'was always the way with Rovers;
      even going back to the SD1 and P6.

  • @lesliedsouza4077
    @lesliedsouza4077 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always educational, CW :) Back in the day, The disc was put on to the machine shaft. Centering by taper hubs, could be verified, by rotating the disc on the machine shaft by hand? Touch the cutter or mag base dial gauge near the disc hub?
    Then slowly wind the cutter outwards, rotating the disc by hand? Just to feel for highs? Then wind back in, start the cut? Good idea to keep the revs a bit slow, to compensate for increased linear speed, feeding towards the outer?
    A bloke started the cut, left it in auto & went away. The sound went a bit hard. Other mechanics in the shop heard it & started yelling at him, With That Sound :) Poor bloke, rushed back; Wind off the cut, Re-start. The foreman walked past, Didn't say anything, Just looked over the machine & set-up. Unspoken, final warning.

  • @eastmedic
    @eastmedic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    PRO TIP: if you mount a rotor to your lathe and it appears to be warped. Stop the leave rotate the rotor 180° and remount it. If the warp is in the same position on the rotor you know the rotor is truly warped. If the warp changes position then you know your setup was incorrect.

  • @oswaldjh
    @oswaldjh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    At this point with Range Rover you can claim to own one and just say "It's in the shop" and nobody will be the wiser.
    They might even nod knowingly as to your perceived plight.

    • @diablocls55
      @diablocls55 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Being able to maintain a Rover is the true flex lol

    • @bngr_bngr
      @bngr_bngr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The secret is to own more than one RR.

    • @Ryan-vj9bl
      @Ryan-vj9bl 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      THATS RIGHT 🫵🏻

  • @icuranis4597
    @icuranis4597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've replaced 3 headliners in the 3 Chrysler minivans I've owned. All done myself. Removing the old backing and glue is easy with a strong shop vac.

  • @RD-km4yi
    @RD-km4yi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Mrs. Wizard's articulate reviews are way better than just hearing "Very, very nice".

    • @philipthomas6808
      @philipthomas6808 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mrs. Wizard is a nice lady!

    • @alxgu198
      @alxgu198 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      She’s got the right voice for it 👌
      Pretty sure the roof is aluminium rather than steel though.

  • @MiguelTorres-zm7yy
    @MiguelTorres-zm7yy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the way you make your videos because you go into details and a lot of TH-camrs don’t go into details they say they do things but in reality they send out to get it done you do your own work or as much as you can do but you go into specific detail I love that

  • @hotpuppy1
    @hotpuppy1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One thing about turning rotors and drums, especially rotors, is that sometimes you get hard spots in them that make turning them not work out--they will still vibrate.

  • @K1STG-Fred
    @K1STG-Fred 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I have a 2010 L322 in the same spec, same colors. They drive so nice it is well worth the potential headaches and it is a real beast off road. The exterior on mine isn't as clean though as it is an off road rig.

  • @alexron2023
    @alexron2023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In my experience every time I turned any rotor, 5 or 7 thousand miles later the vibration came back. If the metal gets a hot spot or fatigued in any place, the rotor will warp again once under load. A total waste of time and labor , replace the rotors and forget it !

    • @gplusgplus2286
      @gplusgplus2286 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends, some rotors are very expensive which makes sense to turn them, some others are cheap enough to replace every second brake pads job

    • @gplusgplus2286
      @gplusgplus2286 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Mike yeah obviously, min rotor thickness should always be checked, brembo discs on my car state it clearly but I should be able to have them turned once before replacing..

  • @tom7601
    @tom7601 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back in the day 1960s(?), Porsche had a problem with squealing disc brakes. One fix was to drill few small holes in the pad then insert pencil leads in the holes. The graphite reduced the squeal and didn’t affect the braking. I don’t know how many holes were drilled.

  • @ronstowe8898
    @ronstowe8898 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You may end up with the same problem a lot of top mechanics with shops have. The business gets so popular (I.e. shipping a car to you from Mississippi ), that you no longer can watch all the work, and there are just so many good mechanics around to hire. Good luck with managing the work that you want to maintain the quality.

  • @geneva760
    @geneva760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Easier - say - ‘machined’ or ‘resurfaced’ - make more logical sense than “turned” and then having explain things to clients. Have a safe and nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.

  • @markmowbray1769
    @markmowbray1769 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just did a water leak from my L322 alternator, bad previous repair. You can’t bodge any repair. All good and charging as it should be now. Great video as ever Wizard 🧙‍♂️.

  • @zhardoum
    @zhardoum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The headliner issue was mainly down to BMW who (2008 to 2016) until range rover being taken over by TATA used low adhesive glue that became soft under high heat, most bmw’s and range rovers from this age can suffer from this issue,, it can be fixed but its a labor intensive job.

    • @philtowle4683
      @philtowle4683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Earlier LR products are no better Freelander 1 is just as bad.

    • @edkalsbeek1765
      @edkalsbeek1765 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My 1987 Volvo also had sagging liner. Old 123 body Mercedes no proplem

  • @itsjustme1949
    @itsjustme1949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love to see the actual processes being done. One issue I have with my 2017 Honda Pilot, which I purchased new, was the front rotors became warped very quickly. I don't break hard or for long periods but I was pulling about 1,600lbs trailer through the Colorado mountains but was careful not to cause brake fade due to prolonged or hard braking. I am thinking of replacing the rotors with drilled and slotted rotors to assist in cooling when I change my pads. I realize this type of rotor wears the pads more readily but pads are relatively inexpensive and easy to replace. I just irks me auto manufacturers use materials that just barely do the job and the Pilot is rated to easily pull this much weight. Enjoy the channel and the myriad variety of vehicles you repair.

  • @waiting4aliens
    @waiting4aliens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8 hours labor plus a headliner. Plus any gaskets or seals for the sun roof. Do them now. Plastic bushings that things roll on. More time.
    An example of if you gotta ask, you can't afford it. Some people bag the pieces individually as they come off to avoid scratching. Good vid. thanks.

  • @johnwells4037
    @johnwells4037 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been watching the wizard's videos for years, and this might be the best yet! Thanks!

  • @rpavlik1
    @rpavlik1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool to see a brake lathe in use. Last time I had brakes done, they just said that the rotors don't last any longer than the pads. Though, I'm also in snow and salt land, so maybe that contributes. They might just get too rusty to be worth turning.

  • @obsoleteprofessor2034
    @obsoleteprofessor2034 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wizard...throw the iron filings in the garden. It really helps the plants grown.

  • @adypurdy3641
    @adypurdy3641 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Last weekend one of my neighbours decided to resurface his front rotors on his V70 Volvo estate ,he wanted to do it himself to save money rather than replacing them with new ones. Sadly though he thought using an angle grinder was just the tool to use ,all was going well for a short while till he got some metal grit in his eye and then spent 8 hours in accident and emergency at the local hospital ,this week he had a local garage replace the rotors !

    • @itzjdub282
      @itzjdub282 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😵😵😵Ouch

  • @jamesford2942
    @jamesford2942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I used to work in an automotive machine shop. Funniest thing I ever heard from a southern guy. "Pardon me sir, do you turn brake rotisseries here?"

  • @pohsibkcirrag6312
    @pohsibkcirrag6312 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Greetings from MS Car Wizard. My Dad is glad this headliner is being serviced in KS. He hates doing headliners!

  • @geoffmarsh7986
    @geoffmarsh7986 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressed that for a 2011 car, its still on the road. Reviewers often comment that every extra must be specified when buying new, as incrementally everything stops working. Have never owned one, but seem to be a very popular model.

  • @Coolingfin
    @Coolingfin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Way to go BendPak! I have not seen a brake lathe since working at a Toyota / Oldsmobile dealer in the '80s.

  • @2packs4sure
    @2packs4sure 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You need to change the verbage on your invoices from turned rotors or turned break drums to resurfaced or machined to solve the confusion....

  • @dasdardlydave8848
    @dasdardlydave8848 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You talking about going to the parts store to get rotors turned reminded me of my early 20s when I worked for an auto parts chain in the 90s. We turned drums and rotors. Oh the arguments we would get into with customers after we would measure their parts only to tell them we couldn't turn them because they would be out of spec.

  • @benjamintucker9829
    @benjamintucker9829 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Rotor resurfacing. Haven't had that done in years. Everytime I get pads replaced, repair shop puts new rotors on. That's 4 different shops, Toyota dealership and one time that I changed Toyota Sequoia pads and rotors. I thought no one resurfaced rotor anymore.

    • @rustler08
      @rustler08 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      O'reilly will resurface at $15 a rotor.

    • @Slevin-Kelevra
      @Slevin-Kelevra 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even new ones should get a pass on the resurfacing machine.

  • @bullitt3980
    @bullitt3980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I started in the parts business early 80s it was very rare to sell a new brake drum or rotor. If a replacement was needed the shop would buy a used one from the wrecking yard and clean it up on a brake lathe. Most shops had one back then and our store had one for those that didn't. What made these things go away is twofold. First, the price of new rotors dropped in the 90s because they were made offshore, then shops noticed how much faster a vehicle was out the door using new rotors. Maybe Wizard mentioned the time but I'm thinking 15 mins a rotor. Its the same reason shops don't rebuild calipers, wheel cylinders, alternators and starters. Customers don't want to wait and parts from a store have warranties. We haven't sold a brake lathe in years and stock replacement tool bits for only 2 customers.

    • @garys9694
      @garys9694 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had a complete Snap-On machine that was in immaculate condition that I sold recently on CL for $550 and considered myself verrrrry lucky!

  • @Kavi4GP
    @Kavi4GP 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Skimming a disc is not to much of an issue , but can warp faster if to much is cut , usually more than 0.15 to 0.2mm and the first application of hard braking and it's warped again or glazed.
    If warped it's usually best practise to change out as the offset means you remove more than you suspect unless you dial in the true zero.

  • @itsnotme07
    @itsnotme07 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's quite the distance....shipping to/from Mississippi. I like that you didn't tell them know, but I'm sure you also told them the car will be waiting probably for 4-6 weeks or more, while you both find time in your shop and at the upholsterers. Something I might keep in mind if I have a big job that my local technician doesn't want to do.
    Cool shooting by Mrs. Wizard....never saw the inside of a taken apart Range Rover....oh wait, yes I have...Lol Hoovie! Anyways, Mrs. Wizard always does a great job!!

  • @waiting4aliens
    @waiting4aliens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    We went to a financial advisor. He was driving a Range Rover. We left.

    • @CarWizard
      @CarWizard  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thats too bad. Because your return on investment may be just as good. You can drive one as well.

    • @waiting4aliens
      @waiting4aliens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CarWizard
      I do drive one. A 87 Volvo 245. 120k mi. Got it for free, sitting for 12 years in a field, because of electrical gremlins. Dumped $900 into it and have tripled my investment. If I don't count time spent.
      Most cars are not investments. They are depreciating assets.
      You guys are the rare technicians, because most of the time labor is an expense. With you guys and any premium, it's an investment. I really appreciate and admire your data driven approach.

  • @onlyhereonce7290
    @onlyhereonce7290 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Car Wizard is now getting vehicles from several states away. I see a trend starting. Quality work means LOTS of work. Great JOB !

  • @sccarguy8242
    @sccarguy8242 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A good friend of mine owns a shop and he sold his break machine, he said as cheap as most rotors are it’s not worth the labor to resurface them. Not only that a resurfaced rotor is thinner and more prone to warp again which leads to be backs. As such he only does new now.

  • @AlvinBrinson
    @AlvinBrinson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    When i was a kid back in the early 80s I used to watch the brake lathe at my dad's shop mesmerized... it was fascinating for some reason.
    Dunno why, just thought I'd share that.

    • @johnbreadsell1401
      @johnbreadsell1401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Back in the 70s I use the brake lathe I couldn't believe it when I remembered it 😅

  • @richvandervoort2950
    @richvandervoort2950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Surface finish is really important when turning rotors as dull tools can record groove the rotors and the pads will have a short life. Factory rotor finish is Blanchard ground to totally eliminate this possibility.

  • @boraepr
    @boraepr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    turning rotors and drums is kind of a lost art these days glad to see the wizard does it

  • @BCCartman
    @BCCartman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In my first career, turning wrenches, resurfacing rotors was a mainstay of break work. Wizard, don't forget to mic the rotor to ensure that there is enough meat left for proper braking operation...

  • @althunder4269
    @althunder4269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have not had my rotors resurfaced for years. Most shops will install new rotors because they are so cheap now that it's not worth turning them. Also when they get turned they lose material volume so they are even more prone to warping because they can't dissipate as much heat with less steel volume. If I had shipped my car all the way from Mississippi to the Wizard I'd have wanted new rotors and pads installed.

  • @Josh-th8by
    @Josh-th8by หลายเดือนก่อน

    Diving into these videos as I’m considering buying a cheap 2010 Range Rover sport supercharged right now, it’s having a no crank no start but everything else is working and from what I’ve seen it’s 1 of 3-4 things and relatively simple fixes so I’m
    Hoping it’s a easy fix and a steal of a deal

  • @ReviewedByAndy
    @ReviewedByAndy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    My absolute favorite gen of Range Rover.

  • @rposton919
    @rposton919 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I quit having rotors resurfaced years ago. Nobody could seem to do it right. One shop cut factory grooves out of some rotors, or tried to, after I expressly said don't remove the grooves, just clean them up.. The were not useable.

  • @johnro6659
    @johnro6659 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of these luxury cars/trucks are a lot easier to work on than a dealer wants to let you know. I did a water pump on my 2003 XJ8. While at it I changed all the coolant hoses, cross over, thermostat housing with metal etc. EASIEST water pump I ever changed in the 40+ years I have been working on cars! The hardest part was removing and replacing the thermostat housing only because the two rear bolts are terrible to get at when you do not remove the intake manifold. I ended up replacing them with hex head bolts that were a shade shorter worked like a charm! Doing an Alternator on these Range Rovers is a little labor intensive but part wise reasonable. All the years they have been making headliners like this you would think they would find a solution to the sagging/separating material and a foam that doesn't deteriorate so easily. I have seen cars only a couple years old that the material separates from the foam. The worse part it's expensive to get it repaired and in some cars you can't remove it in one piece without removing the windshield or read window.

  • @MrTilbin
    @MrTilbin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love turning rotors and drums. So satisfying.

  • @floridaman7
    @floridaman7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Every time I start thinking about buying this car there is a video that pops up reminding me not to

    • @Kauffman578
      @Kauffman578 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Get a Lexus LX570 instead

  • @seawall5102
    @seawall5102 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video explaining points that the average person does not know. I would like to add that just by driving with your windows down affect the headliner eventually.

  • @cayman9873
    @cayman9873 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was a mechanic 45 years ago and machining discs and drums made some sense. For me as a mechanic i could use the machine for free and correct about 65 percent of flaws and then reuse parts. Now its crazy to pay someone to make brake parts thinner. Instead of just putting on new parts. This is pure profit for a car shop and not much benefit for the car owner.

  • @JustinPaul1st
    @JustinPaul1st 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The Wizard is making Headlines this month.with his headliners 😂😂😂

  • @nicksundby
    @nicksundby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As a Brit I can confirm that running a Range Rover without a warranty is deeply inadvisable.

    • @Nonamenever557
      @Nonamenever557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Traitor lol

    • @kay110
      @kay110 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep - I used to own one from brand new - luckily under warranty!

    • @ericdunn555
      @ericdunn555 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As a Brit now living in the EU, I can confirm that owning a Range Rover or three (I have 2 200tdi Classic manuals and 1 M57-engined L322) is a labour of love;
      but worth the effort (and surprisingly minimal expense).

  • @denitipuric1130
    @denitipuric1130 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you wizard! Thought Tyler would post today but always glad to see your posts! Keep up hard work

  • @danf4616
    @danf4616 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Takes a mechanic to love an ridiculously expensive, horrendously designed, unreliable vehicle. My 2011 4Runner has leather seats, 4WD, tows 5,000lbs. And. Never. Breaks.

    • @kooshkangaroo
      @kooshkangaroo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agree with you there brother. I have an FJ cruiser and i absolutely love how easy it is work on

    • @DaddyWarlocks
      @DaddyWarlocks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "Mechanics hate this one trick!"

    • @kustu
      @kustu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok, so what? Drive your 1.6 Corolla then.

    • @Rottweiler-Lover
      @Rottweiler-Lover 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The RR will Go ANYWHERE with it's technologically advanced AWD system..(that's been COPIED by pretty much every manufacturer) Now that speaks VOLUMES !! I'll pass any other 4WD/AWD vehicle out there, on the highway, or going thru mud, snow, sand or over rocks in comfort with my automatically adjustable air suspension that will also lower itself for easy entry/exit. I had a Hummer H2 (which also BLOWS AWAY any FJ or 4slummer, & the RR will go where the H2 could never. Even in deep snow or ice, the RR is far superior) All while relaxing in my heated & cooled seats (they're actually cooled, not just cabin air blown in the seat like most, inc. MB). No one Oogles a 4Runner or FJ. Jealously is so UGLY !!!

  • @treacletart4365
    @treacletart4365 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have had a few of these now, never missed a beat nor cost me to own them. In fact been cheaper to own a RR than any other manufacturers this includes the services

  • @arnoldverser8113
    @arnoldverser8113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Headliners fail because the thin layer foam breaks down because of the heat not just in Kansas

    • @JohnSmith-pl2bk
      @JohnSmith-pl2bk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bring back the Safari roof.....
      www.alamy.com/land-rover-series-1-86-inch-safari-roof-model-white-uk-image246275752.html

    • @curtknight1021
      @curtknight1021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can't imagine EVER spending that much time and money with an old headliner...makes my neck hurt just removing them - once and for all on a 15 year old Jeep. End of problem.
      Most passengers don't even notice an absent headliner .

  • @jimpeppers7230
    @jimpeppers7230 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Through the late 80's machining rotors and drums were a common practice. Then the composite rotor was introduced, they were made of hardened materials. Rotor prices were very cheap and they were discarded every 2nd brake service. If you attempted to resurface a mid 90's Ford or Mercedes Rotor it would come out looking like a record and would brake horribly.

  • @rudithedog7534
    @rudithedog7534 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is turning the rotors the same as skimming the brake discs, I'm not familiar with the term, I'm living in Ireland

    • @hammyh1165
      @hammyh1165 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes skimming is the same.

    • @velviaman3206
      @velviaman3206 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. Separated by a common language.

    • @rudithedog7534
      @rudithedog7534 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the answer

  • @NoClassic
    @NoClassic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    why not just have the bill read "resurfaced brake rotors"

    • @garystuart226
      @garystuart226 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Hi, took me a while to work out what Rotors were, lol, here in the uk we call them brake discs

    • @dainsmart6237
      @dainsmart6237 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@garystuart226 and we call it skimming

    • @jordancapps9521
      @jordancapps9521 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Many shops do that, since many people have no idea what makes their car stoppy when they push the big pedal.

    • @timsmith854
      @timsmith854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dainsmart6237 Same in Australia.

    • @AlvinBrinson
      @AlvinBrinson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dainsmart6237 Skimming is fraud here ;) Either taking "cash off the top" for yourself, or stealing from credit cards ...

  • @chesterplebs5847
    @chesterplebs5847 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even with aftermarket pads and rotors one the brakes will continue to squeak. Only option is to go OEM or put a chamfer in in the pads I have found out.

    • @mmiller3500
      @mmiller3500 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This guy knows. The like 7 revisions of that TSB

  • @Falkenroth1
    @Falkenroth1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Strange there isn’t a boot on that shaft on the cutting side of the brake lathe. I own an older ammco. Bought it years ago from a big car repair shop that went out of business in the last recession and it came with every cone and adapter they made. Nice

  • @houseofno
    @houseofno 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A Range Rover shipped ALL the way from Mississippi to Kansas! WOW! I'm impressed. Now that's a customer who's probably not going to try to chisel you for a discount after paying that kind of money to get a vehicle like that to you. Such customers must truly be a pleasure to work with.

    • @AndyK.1
      @AndyK.1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe it was driven there 😂

    • @houseofno
      @houseofno 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ Andy K Might help to watch the video. He says a customer shipped it to his shop from Mississippi. You probably weren't paying attention.

  • @MrShoryuken1
    @MrShoryuken1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Wizard: "It's about as fun as watching a needle move across a record player..."
    My brain: "Agreed, let us gather round and spend the next 10 minutes watching this utterly fascinating thing..."

    • @five12man
      @five12man 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely get stuck watch it instead of working the rest of the brake system

  • @dentmastersofnymichael3316
    @dentmastersofnymichael3316 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I have taken out a lot of headliners and I have never seen having to remove the glass. That’s crazy. I personally hate Range Rovers and your video confirms my hatred. Thank you

  • @biggiefitz6275
    @biggiefitz6275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good job, Car Wizard!

  • @Nonamenever557
    @Nonamenever557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The rule with these if buying one is avoid the years that use BMW engine and electronics. Go for post 2007 to be safe on that.

    • @Uniquestanced
      @Uniquestanced 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      true

    • @danielatkinson5976
      @danielatkinson5976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      2005 to 2009 has 4.4l jaguar engine. Best motor they have made imho.

    • @M4rt_FX
      @M4rt_FX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yet Land Rover is still the least reliable brand on the road, even model years including the last 3 years, as statistics prove. Wait I'll these models get a little older.... BMW is a more reliable brand, fact.

    • @stuartstuart866
      @stuartstuart866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Who makes the engines and electronics after 2007?

    • @mattiasl5602
      @mattiasl5602 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@stuartstuart866 Ford

  • @keithrodgers1030
    @keithrodgers1030 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Turning them in a lathe , lathe chatter causes a rough finish when turning. Intermittent cutting definitely is warped ,min thickness limit ? Cutting tips are tungsten carbide inserts .

  • @WareWolf801
    @WareWolf801 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm surprised that there is no lubricant used in the "turning" process. Cool to see this though. I've never seen one of these machines, but understood the process it performs. Thanks Wizard!

    • @sp1nrx
      @sp1nrx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Machining cast iron rotors, it isn't necessary to run coolant *especially* at the slow speeds these brake lathes work.

  • @toobalicious
    @toobalicious 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It says a lot about most auto mechanics and repair shops that owners are willing to ship their cars several states away just to find an honest and competent mechanic. Why? I can give you some personal examples: my local repair shop insisted that I needed to replace the cabin air filter on my wife’s truck. I gave them several opportunities to catch their “mistake” before I involved the shop manager - where I informed him that my 2011 Chevrolet Silverado DOES NOT HAVE a cabin air filter. Instead of apologizing, the shop manager proceeded to argue and get defensive. The shop we previously used told me that we had to change the center differential oil in our 2015 Toyota Highlander Hybrid, and if we didn’t, we’d be putting ourselves and others at risk. When I asked them to show me where said differential might actually be (keep in mind this is a hybrid with electric motors turning the rear wheels), they declined and became very surly. Long story short - people don’t want lies, crooks, and bullying tactics - they want an honest mechanic - and the wizard and his people are that.

    • @houseofno
      @houseofno 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Here's a better idea - post your experience on the Google Maps page for that business. Over a million people a day read Google Maps reviews for businesses.

  • @BigBundy82
    @BigBundy82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It’s a beautiful SUV- One of the most beautiful SUVs Ever!!) if only they ran as well as they looked!

    • @mixwellusa
      @mixwellusa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The late model L322s are actually relatively reliable, no more unreliable than most European vehicles. The earlier BMW-powered variants mentioned were the ones to avoid. Still an expensive vehicle that will have expensive maintenance.

  • @jkk244
    @jkk244 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brake rotors don’t actually warp. They can wear unevenly, and/or pad material can deposit on the rotor causing brake pedal pulsation, but those huge chunks of metal don’t warp like a old vinyl record left in the sun.

  • @jtucker8424
    @jtucker8424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can see how a resurfacing would be beneficial for older original equipment or for more expensive cars where the rotors cost more but on most ordinary every day cars it’s a shame that it’s almost the same money or cheaper to buy new ones online , anyway great vid !

  • @juststeve5542
    @juststeve5542 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Alternator intermittently charging usually means stuck/worn brushes.
    Not a hard repair if the commutator and winding are in good condition.

  • @Matt_from_Florida
    @Matt_from_Florida 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mississippi!!! I ALWAYS buy my vehicles used, from 8 to 15 years old with VERY LOW miles. I bought my last used car in 2018, a 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK 55 AMG with 16K miles in *Jackson, Mississippi.* I'll go *ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES* for a really promising car. I ALWAYS go to see the car *IN PERSON* before buying it. Sometimes I'll drive it back, or I'll fly back on a return flight and have it shipped. It all depends on circumstances.

  • @_A.K_
    @_A.K_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not a motor head or anything but this guy is A+ subscription. Seems to follow the pattern of a lot of other channels I like. Soft spoken, concise, slight amount of humor. Others in the same vein: hickock45, Kitboga, LockPickingLawyer

  • @jacknimble1
    @jacknimble1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a friend whose dad made crazy fireworks out of the shavings from the resurfacer. Some of the coolest fireworks I have ever seen.

  • @shtopfl5247
    @shtopfl5247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That black e class next to the range looks to be mint I wonder what’s the deal with that one 😄

  • @turdferguson4124
    @turdferguson4124 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressed with the interior of this 10year old LR. Very beautiful.