When people are willing to ship their vehicles long distances to get them worked on, that's a testament to the shop and the mechanics. I really appreciate your videos, I always learn something new.
Was watching old Hoovies Garage videos over the rainy holiday weekend and was stunned by David being frozen and staring at the camera like a deer in headlights. It’s insane how far your channel has come over the past few years-probably my favorite automotive channel on TH-cam. You’ve even inspired me to start working on my own car again. Can’t wait to see what you and Mrs. Wizard do in the future.
You're absolutely right about Car Wizard being a great channel , a huge improvement over Scotty Kilmer . Why he has all the views and subscribers that he does , I have no idea !!
I second this post! I will choose a Car Wizard video over any other when I check on TH-cam, and I have been subscribed since Uncle Hoovie first introduced Dave to us! The two of them together are wonderful entertainment... much better than most of the drivel on TV nowadays!
Car Wizard I must say not to many mechanic shops are interested in turning rotors or drums anymore I personally was taught in hs how to use one of these machines and love them.
The reason why people are shipping there cars to you wizard is because you are a honest and well know mechanic that truly cares about the customer and will get the job done wright, there are many mechanic's OUTTHERE but not like you, thank you so much for being the way you are...love your channel
You should look for a handful of shops around the country that you know do good work like you do - and maybe that come with recommendations from other car guys and let everybody else know. I'd love to bring my vehicles to you to work on, but it's just too far - but I would happily go to anybody you recommend. Finding a good, trustworthy mechanic that actually takes care of your vehicle and doesn't try to fix things that aren't broken is *incredibly* hard to do!
The funny part is that most people watching this video have never heard Click and Clack (Tom and Ray Magliozzi) using this theme in their show for years. And here is Car Wizard, living it!
Your demonstration on the rotor resurfacing machine is a good example of how "warped" rotors aren't actually warped in most cases; they're worn unevenly, resulting in spots that are thinner/thicker than the rest of the rotor.
Late L322's are good cars. We've the twin-turbo 4.4 diesel V8 (Ford engine) here in Spain, with the ZF 8-speed gearbox with the rotary dial - very brisk and easily achieves 35 mpg. The sunroof can 'drop' and if you don't notice it, it will leak - holding the button in the 'closed' position for liKe 15 seconds resets it. Normally happens after the battery has been removed for a while. Nice vid!
Early L322s with the BMW M57 engine are cheaper to buy (mine cost £1400) and cheaper & easier to work on; prefer them to the later L322s, and they can be upgraded with 2nd-hand parts to look like late L322s.
Same here in Cedar Rapids IA. Most shops just replace them. When I had my old Camry the place where I took it for maintenance said their parent company that owns a mixed bagged of shops won't let any shops turn rotors. Too time consuming. Plus the probably have a nice mark up on new brake parts.
Air suspension and ease of blowing 9ne of these damn 5.0's up do not assume bc ford and the stang that its the same 5.0. Idk if its just the Eaton blower or what but u can fry these way too easily for a performance vehicle.
i am a self employed carpenter and i have watch from day 1 /to see your growth and how far people will go to have you work on their cars makes me take the extra time and effort to do a professional job because you prove that if your work is quality you will always have plenty of customers /hard work pays off
So many shops today just want to replace rotors, often with aftermarket rotors that may not be of the same quality as OEM. I often ask for the rotors to be turned rather than replaced when I take my vehicles in for brake work. Now I do realize there is a minimum thickness they have to be and can't be turned too many times.
@Mike exactly. they just warp the next time around even faster since they are thinner. Most vehicles have around 1mm of thickness that can removed. Found a chart for Range Rover saying 3mm.....
At this point with Range Rover you can claim to own one and just say "It's in the shop" and nobody will be the wiser. They might even nod knowingly as to your perceived plight.
Wizard, enjoyed the brake lathe session. I would think it would be good to have discussed the minimum rotor thickness required when turning. Great video.
Love The Videos Car Wizard! Please keep them coming, I’ve done lots of work on cars that you’ve featured on your channel. It’s just taking me back watching your videos! I’m 24 years old now but back when I first finished high school I started doing a lot of British, English, & Italian cars. Long story short, I remember doing LOTS of timing guides & head gaskets on those engines. All the hard plastic lines ! 🤦♂️ Just a nightmare of a job! 50 freaking bolts holding the supercharger on lol but I honestly enjoyed it. But definitely keep the video’s coming, you seem fair, thorough, and honest & that goes a LONGG Way, love it man. I may have to come visit you at Omega sometime 😊 Thanks Again
When i was a kid back in the early 80s I used to watch the brake lathe at my dad's shop mesmerized... it was fascinating for some reason. Dunno why, just thought I'd share that.
The most comprehensive video you have made to date. Magic Mike helped out. Along with Mrs. Wizard. What a great team. A lot goes into a sun roof repair and even a simple Brake Rotor repair. Great stuff. And thank you.
I worked in auto parts in my teens (late 1970s), and I learned how to turn drums and rotors (on an Aamco brake lathe). The man who owned the auto parts stores where I worked (he and his wife owned three stores) was a machinist who taught me how to properly use the machines, and I have turned many, many drums and rotors over the years. This was like a blast from the past for me! I also learned how to make hydraulic hoses (we had many local farmers as customers), fill and charge batteries (back then, automotive batteries were shipped to the stores dry-- only to be filled with battery acid and activated when the customer purchased one), and how to rebuild starters and alternators. We had no computers to look up parts; we had catalog racks which required frequent replacement of catalogs and price sheets to stay current. This meant that if the power went out, we only needed a flashlight to look up and sell parts, which was handy when Hurricane Frederick hit! I sure miss the "good old days" at Rudy's Automotive Supply in Fairhope, Alabama, Bayside Auto Parts in Daphne, Alabama, and Baldwin Auto Parts in Spanish Fort, Alabama... all gone, but not forgotten!
I agree headliner removal does take a while (depending on the vehicle/age), HOWEVER it does not take weeks to do a headliner. I bought my suede headliner material from ebay (quality stuff) and hired a sunroof shop to install it which took about a day to complete (my vehicle isn't small either, 2013 Yukon XL). A year later and it's still excellent. Headliners can take a few days, depending on how easy it is to strip and readhesive (especially the roof curvature). BUT NOT WEEKS! LOL
One thing about turning rotors and drums, especially rotors, is that sometimes you get hard spots in them that make turning them not work out--they will still vibrate.
Easier - say - ‘machined’ or ‘resurfaced’ - make more logical sense than “turned” and then having explain things to clients. Have a safe and nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
Wizard, back when I was a GM Service Advisor, I used to document my R.O.'s as Resurfaced Rotors To Parallel Specs. People often state (not you Wizard) that their rotors were "out of round", which is impossible. The rotor faces become "out of parallel" with one another. It's nice to see that you've got this nice & fine machine in your shop. Maybe next, Ranger (Bendpack), could hook up with a nice & fine wheel balancing machine for your shop. You've really got it going on in your shop. I love the videos that you do & look forward to watching them for a long time to come. Keep up the great work buddy !!!
@@philtowle4683 No, the mounting surface has nothing to do with this issue. The brake rotor's sides are out of parallel with one another...they are warped from heat. Resurfacing of the rotors corrects this. Symptoms of this issue is typically a pulsing brake pedal and/or shaking of steering wheel during the braking process. If the rear brake rotors/drums are bad, you feel it in the seat of the vehicle. Bear in mind that cross-drilled / slotted brake rotors cannot be resurfaced because brake lathe will dig into those holes. LOL...it would be a freaking mess...bigtime !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@randyneugent The drum only has one braking surface which is related back to the bearing location. The disc has two faces related to each other AND the mating face to the hub. When measuring the runout on the disc or rotor it is done in relation to the axis of the disc.
Rotor resurfacing. Haven't had that done in years. Everytime I get pads replaced, repair shop puts new rotors on. That's 4 different shops, Toyota dealership and one time that I changed Toyota Sequoia pads and rotors. I thought no one resurfaced rotor anymore.
Always educational, CW :) Back in the day, The disc was put on to the machine shaft. Centering by taper hubs, could be verified, by rotating the disc on the machine shaft by hand? Touch the cutter or mag base dial gauge near the disc hub? Then slowly wind the cutter outwards, rotating the disc by hand? Just to feel for highs? Then wind back in, start the cut? Good idea to keep the revs a bit slow, to compensate for increased linear speed, feeding towards the outer? A bloke started the cut, left it in auto & went away. The sound went a bit hard. Other mechanics in the shop heard it & started yelling at him, With That Sound :) Poor bloke, rushed back; Wind off the cut, Re-start. The foreman walked past, Didn't say anything, Just looked over the machine & set-up. Unspoken, final warning.
That's quite the distance....shipping to/from Mississippi. I like that you didn't tell them know, but I'm sure you also told them the car will be waiting probably for 4-6 weeks or more, while you both find time in your shop and at the upholsterers. Something I might keep in mind if I have a big job that my local technician doesn't want to do. Cool shooting by Mrs. Wizard....never saw the inside of a taken apart Range Rover....oh wait, yes I have...Lol Hoovie! Anyways, Mrs. Wizard always does a great job!!
This was not a bad Range Rover repair video with the Car Wizard. Anyway, I am hoping for an all-new, buy this, not that video for Mazda vehicles next upload on Thursday. Thank you very much and have a great night.
Last weekend one of my neighbours decided to resurface his front rotors on his V70 Volvo estate ,he wanted to do it himself to save money rather than replacing them with new ones. Sadly though he thought using an angle grinder was just the tool to use ,all was going well for a short while till he got some metal grit in his eye and then spent 8 hours in accident and emergency at the local hospital ,this week he had a local garage replace the rotors !
You talking about going to the parts store to get rotors turned reminded me of my early 20s when I worked for an auto parts chain in the 90s. We turned drums and rotors. Oh the arguments we would get into with customers after we would measure their parts only to tell them we couldn't turn them because they would be out of spec.
I can't imagine EVER spending that much time and money with an old headliner...makes my neck hurt just removing them - once and for all on a 15 year old Jeep. End of problem. Most passengers don't even notice an absent headliner .
I owned a 2010 hse lux. By far the best suv I've ever owned. Cel light remained on all the time for the left cat, the standard brakes were way too weak, did the air suspension once. Other than that I never had any issues. Traded it in at 137k and its still on the road today.
Cool to see a brake lathe in use. Last time I had brakes done, they just said that the rotors don't last any longer than the pads. Though, I'm also in snow and salt land, so maybe that contributes. They might just get too rusty to be worth turning.
PRO TIP: if you mount a rotor to your lathe and it appears to be warped. Stop the leave rotate the rotor 180° and remount it. If the warp is in the same position on the rotor you know the rotor is truly warped. If the warp changes position then you know your setup was incorrect.
I love the way you make your videos because you go into details and a lot of TH-camrs don’t go into details they say they do things but in reality they send out to get it done you do your own work or as much as you can do but you go into specific detail I love that
Just did a water leak from my L322 alternator, bad previous repair. You can’t bodge any repair. All good and charging as it should be now. Great video as ever Wizard 🧙♂️.
Love to see the actual processes being done. One issue I have with my 2017 Honda Pilot, which I purchased new, was the front rotors became warped very quickly. I don't break hard or for long periods but I was pulling about 1,600lbs trailer through the Colorado mountains but was careful not to cause brake fade due to prolonged or hard braking. I am thinking of replacing the rotors with drilled and slotted rotors to assist in cooling when I change my pads. I realize this type of rotor wears the pads more readily but pads are relatively inexpensive and easy to replace. I just irks me auto manufacturers use materials that just barely do the job and the Pilot is rated to easily pull this much weight. Enjoy the channel and the myriad variety of vehicles you repair.
A Range Rover shipped ALL the way from Mississippi to Kansas! WOW! I'm impressed. Now that's a customer who's probably not going to try to chisel you for a discount after paying that kind of money to get a vehicle like that to you. Such customers must truly be a pleasure to work with.
In my first career, turning wrenches, resurfacing rotors was a mainstay of break work. Wizard, don't forget to mic the rotor to ensure that there is enough meat left for proper braking operation...
You may end up with the same problem a lot of top mechanics with shops have. The business gets so popular (I.e. shipping a car to you from Mississippi ), that you no longer can watch all the work, and there are just so many good mechanics around to hire. Good luck with managing the work that you want to maintain the quality.
It says a lot about most auto mechanics and repair shops that owners are willing to ship their cars several states away just to find an honest and competent mechanic. Why? I can give you some personal examples: my local repair shop insisted that I needed to replace the cabin air filter on my wife’s truck. I gave them several opportunities to catch their “mistake” before I involved the shop manager - where I informed him that my 2011 Chevrolet Silverado DOES NOT HAVE a cabin air filter. Instead of apologizing, the shop manager proceeded to argue and get defensive. The shop we previously used told me that we had to change the center differential oil in our 2015 Toyota Highlander Hybrid, and if we didn’t, we’d be putting ourselves and others at risk. When I asked them to show me where said differential might actually be (keep in mind this is a hybrid with electric motors turning the rear wheels), they declined and became very surly. Long story short - people don’t want lies, crooks, and bullying tactics - they want an honest mechanic - and the wizard and his people are that.
Here's a better idea - post your experience on the Google Maps page for that business. Over a million people a day read Google Maps reviews for businesses.
I'm surprised that there is no lubricant used in the "turning" process. Cool to see this though. I've never seen one of these machines, but understood the process it performs. Thanks Wizard!
I have a 2010 L322 in the same spec, same colors. They drive so nice it is well worth the potential headaches and it is a real beast off road. The exterior on mine isn't as clean though as it is an off road rig.
Back in the day 1960s(?), Porsche had a problem with squealing disc brakes. One fix was to drill few small holes in the pad then insert pencil leads in the holes. The graphite reduced the squeal and didn’t affect the braking. I don’t know how many holes were drilled.
Panels and panels and panels would grow legs in my Driveway. Then again, I wouldn't be working on other people's stuff either. I have enough trouble fixing my own stuff.
8 hours labor plus a headliner. Plus any gaskets or seals for the sun roof. Do them now. Plastic bushings that things roll on. More time. An example of if you gotta ask, you can't afford it. Some people bag the pieces individually as they come off to avoid scratching. Good vid. thanks.
The late model L322s are actually relatively reliable, no more unreliable than most European vehicles. The earlier BMW-powered variants mentioned were the ones to avoid. Still an expensive vehicle that will have expensive maintenance.
David you need to get a vaccum / venting system for the brake rotors. They let out a ton of dirty brake dust everywhere. Your shop is going to be loaded with brake dust, the office and all the nice cars. You could have something pretty cheap on your own with an old shop vaccum and some vent tubes if need be.
In my experience every time I turned any rotor, 5 or 7 thousand miles later the vibration came back. If the metal gets a hot spot or fatigued in any place, the rotor will warp again once under load. A total waste of time and labor , replace the rotors and forget it !
@Mike yeah obviously, min rotor thickness should always be checked, brembo discs on my car state it clearly but I should be able to have them turned once before replacing..
It's so sad that in America it's hard to find a mechanic you can trust. I have not seen rotor turning in 20 years. Many shops that do brakes don't have machines to turn rotors.
In most instances, it cheaper and faster to replace,than turn them,the dealer have the machine where they don't have to take rotors off to cut them,thats way more efficient......
Good video explaining points that the average person does not know. I would like to add that just by driving with your windows down affect the headliner eventually.
Great vid as always. My company stores the tools to make spare parts for the L322. I’ve also seen the headliners being made at the company we store the tools for here in England.
Strange there isn’t a boot on that shaft on the cutting side of the brake lathe. I own an older ammco. Bought it years ago from a big car repair shop that went out of business in the last recession and it came with every cone and adapter they made. Nice
The headliner issue was mainly down to BMW who (2008 to 2016) until range rover being taken over by TATA used low adhesive glue that became soft under high heat, most bmw’s and range rovers from this age can suffer from this issue,, it can be fixed but its a labor intensive job.
A lot of mechanics love JLR products. They are so unreliable and need such frequent expensive repair and maintenance they are practically a licence to print money...
Impressed that for a 2011 car, its still on the road. Reviewers often comment that every extra must be specified when buying new, as incrementally everything stops working. Have never owned one, but seem to be a very popular model.
Machining rotors isn't justifiable now a days. You're just charging the customer more labour instead of charging for new rotors. Also, the machined rotors are thinner and more prone to warping👎
Wrong, he should have mentioned the specs. Turning rotors is a good thing as long as there is enough meat to stay within spec. Too thin and they can warp and crack. Most customers will think you did a poor job if the wheel shakes when you brake. Turning the rotors eliminates that. Even NEW rotors should be given a quick pass on the lathe as they are often warped right out of the box.
You must have missed the part in the video where the Car Wizard checked to make sure there's enough metal "meat" on the outside. In many cases, it's cheaper and more cost effective to charge a customer labor to resurface the rotors than to replace them.
CW, it has been my experience when you have three or more working mechanics in a shop, the brake lathe is a boost for your own bottom line and gets the job out faster with more results control. Really have learned more a bout Land Rovers watching you- have thought to buy one, but now I know a bit more; late model, after BMW engine years, from hot dry country with the headliner hanging down; that list could lead me to something I can fix and can afford! FR
I drove my P38 4.6 litre 1998 Range Rover to Taunton, in Somerset England, where I met the guy at his home who offered to fit a new headlining including sunroof in my car. I chose one from a choice of three headlining fabrics, and he told me to walk up to the local shopping centre about half a mile away, to get the £300 from the cashpoint, and about one hour later, I walked back to my car at his house, where to my surprise, the new headlining, front "A" pillars, "B" pillars, sunroof, and grab handles, sun visors, and all interior light fittings were back in the car, and it looked fabulous. I paid the £300 and drove back to Holland, where three years later, the headlining still looks brand new. He took less than ONE HOUR to complete the job. Contact me if you would like to know how to contact the installer.
Methinks that he had already-upholstered headlinings "in stock".... ready to go...on an exchange basis..though he might not have told you that. Do enough of them...as he obviously had...and with a team of two....yeah I would believe the hour exchange time.....
Diving into these videos as I’m considering buying a cheap 2010 Range Rover sport supercharged right now, it’s having a no crank no start but everything else is working and from what I’ve seen it’s 1 of 3-4 things and relatively simple fixes so I’m Hoping it’s a easy fix and a steal of a deal
I mean you could expect that with your knowledge and abilities and attention to detail and dedication to doing it right it wouldn't surprise me if eventually people ship their cars from out of the country for you to fix
Nice to see your new toy being demoed, I’d have some reservation about mounting them concentic using the taper collets, possibility of mounting them out of true and then turning the new surface out of true. There’s probably a cost balance point where it’s cheaper to fit new rotors than resurface, especially on your domestic vehicles. Perishing foam in head liners, now who’s going to tell the customer that...
I quit having rotors resurfaced years ago. Nobody could seem to do it right. One shop cut factory grooves out of some rotors, or tried to, after I expressly said don't remove the grooves, just clean them up.. The were not useable.
When I started in the parts business early 80s it was very rare to sell a new brake drum or rotor. If a replacement was needed the shop would buy a used one from the wrecking yard and clean it up on a brake lathe. Most shops had one back then and our store had one for those that didn't. What made these things go away is twofold. First, the price of new rotors dropped in the 90s because they were made offshore, then shops noticed how much faster a vehicle was out the door using new rotors. Maybe Wizard mentioned the time but I'm thinking 15 mins a rotor. Its the same reason shops don't rebuild calipers, wheel cylinders, alternators and starters. Customers don't want to wait and parts from a store have warranties. We haven't sold a brake lathe in years and stock replacement tool bits for only 2 customers.
I can see how a resurfacing would be beneficial for older original equipment or for more expensive cars where the rotors cost more but on most ordinary every day cars it’s a shame that it’s almost the same money or cheaper to buy new ones online , anyway great vid !
Man, I just noticed Car Wizard has surpassed half a million subscribers (probably will hit 600k sooner than later). This has been one of my go to channels for entertainment, and it's nice to see many others enjoy it as well.
Yet Land Rover is still the least reliable brand on the road, even model years including the last 3 years, as statistics prove. Wait I'll these models get a little older.... BMW is a more reliable brand, fact.
Even with aftermarket pads and rotors one the brakes will continue to squeak. Only option is to go OEM or put a chamfer in in the pads I have found out.
Interesting how terminology differs - in our neck of the woods "turning rotors" = "skimming brake discs" 😁🇿🇦. Seeing the lathe machine is do its thing was cool though 👍
I'm not a motor head or anything but this guy is A+ subscription. Seems to follow the pattern of a lot of other channels I like. Soft spoken, concise, slight amount of humor. Others in the same vein: hickock45, Kitboga, LockPickingLawyer
I know what rotor turning/refinishing is but I’ve never seen it done before. Pretty cool, thanks for that!
Yes...! What You said...
+1
What needs to be mentioned is a check for the minimum thickness allowed for the rotor type. I don’t think Wizard mentioned this.
@@terencejay8845 Yes got to agree the discs are not that expensive.
When people are willing to ship their vehicles long distances to get them worked on, that's a testament to the shop and the mechanics. I really appreciate your videos, I always learn something new.
Was watching old Hoovies Garage videos over the rainy holiday weekend and was stunned by David being frozen and staring at the camera like a deer in headlights. It’s insane how far your channel has come over the past few years-probably my favorite automotive channel on TH-cam. You’ve even inspired me to start working on my own car again. Can’t wait to see what you and Mrs. Wizard do in the future.
You should check out Eric O. at South Main Auto😉👍👍
You're absolutely right about Car Wizard being a great channel , a huge improvement over Scotty Kilmer . Why he has all the views and subscribers that he does , I have no idea !!
I second this post! I will choose a Car Wizard video over any other when I check on TH-cam, and I have been subscribed since Uncle Hoovie first introduced Dave to us! The two of them together are wonderful entertainment... much better than most of the drivel on TV nowadays!
That’s how I came to this channel, but in my opinion, the Car Wizard is better Hoovies Garage.
Wizard is awesome. Eric O of South Main Auto is excellent, as is Ivan of Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics.
Wizard: "It's one of my favorite designs. It's here for many issues". The most honest thing a man will say today.😂
The Wizard speaks from the heart
I was wearing a Car Wizard t-shirt on Thursday and I was complimented as I checked into my hotel in Wilkes-Barre, PA.
You were complimented as it complemented your complexion.
Cool...( state College pa)
@@rustler08 huh?
Funny I live on Wilkes Barre street in PA
But where is the actual shop located??😬
Car Wizard I must say not to many mechanic shops are interested in turning rotors or drums anymore I personally was taught in hs how to use one of these machines and love them.
The reason why people are shipping there cars to you wizard is because you are a honest and well know mechanic that truly cares about the customer and will get the job done wright, there are many mechanic's OUTTHERE but not like you, thank you so much for being the way you are...love your channel
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You should look for a handful of shops around the country that you know do good work like you do - and maybe that come with recommendations from other car guys and let everybody else know. I'd love to bring my vehicles to you to work on, but it's just too far - but I would happily go to anybody you recommend.
Finding a good, trustworthy mechanic that actually takes care of your vehicle and doesn't try to fix things that aren't broken is *incredibly* hard to do!
He loves them because they paid for his three yachts!
Well yes and no, if that would be the case he then will work on bmws
Does he still have the first yacht, I no he said the second one was to small
@@joelayala9896 Ain't that the truth. I sure as Hell love Z4's, but I don't want to own a *brittle-plastic toy car,* thank you very much!
The funny part is that most people watching this video have never heard Click and Clack (Tom and Ray Magliozzi) using this theme in their show for years. And here is Car Wizard, living it!
The boats have all gone up in price, more profit.
Your demonstration on the rotor resurfacing machine is a good example of how "warped" rotors aren't actually warped in most cases; they're worn unevenly, resulting in spots that are thinner/thicker than the rest of the rotor.
Late L322's are good cars. We've the twin-turbo 4.4 diesel V8 (Ford engine) here in Spain, with the ZF 8-speed gearbox with the rotary dial - very brisk and easily achieves 35 mpg. The sunroof can 'drop' and if you don't notice it, it will leak - holding the button in the 'closed' position for liKe 15 seconds resets it. Normally happens after the battery has been removed for a while. Nice vid!
Early L322s with the BMW M57 engine are cheaper to buy (mine cost £1400) and cheaper & easier to work on;
prefer them to the later L322s, and they can be upgraded with 2nd-hand parts to look like late L322s.
Local shops in my area don’t bother machining rotors anymore because the increase in labor costs has meant just replacing with new is cheaper 🤷
Same here in Cedar Rapids IA. Most shops just replace them. When I had my old Camry the place where I took it for maintenance said their parent company that owns a mixed bagged of shops won't let any shops turn rotors. Too time consuming. Plus the probably have a nice mark up on new brake parts.
I assume Land Rover rotors are more expensive to replace.
L322 SuperCharged are amazing. Sort out the air suspension and it is a dream.
Air suspension and ease of blowing 9ne of these damn 5.0's up do not assume bc ford and the stang that its the same 5.0. Idk if its just the Eaton blower or what but u can fry these way too easily for a performance vehicle.
I have a 2006 Rover supercharged. Jaguar engine. 188000 miles. It's been a great vehicle
i am a self employed carpenter and i have watch from day 1 /to see your growth and how far people will go to have you work on their cars makes me take the extra time and effort to do a professional job because you prove that if your work is quality you will always have plenty of customers /hard work pays off
You need to change the verbage on your invoices from turned rotors or turned break drums to resurfaced or machined to solve the confusion....
Here in the uk we don’t turn brake discs. Only on very expensive cars. We just replace them as they are so cheap on eBay.
Most OEMs aren't even expensive enough to warrant turning really. If they can be turned in the first place.
Wizard...throw the iron filings in the garden. It really helps the plants grown.
I really appreciate how you take time to explain the technical aspects of things. Very informative you are 🧙♂️ Wizard!
So many shops today just want to replace rotors, often with aftermarket rotors that may not be of the same quality as OEM. I often ask for the rotors to be turned rather than replaced when I take my vehicles in for brake work. Now I do realize there is a minimum thickness they have to be and can't be turned too many times.
Yeah, if they don't check to make sure its within spec after cutting, they probably shouldn't be cutting.
Most OES companies cast the units together and just mark it differently, just look who made the genuine and buy the OES units
I've never had warped rotors.
If it's a good rotor to begin with, you will never have to turn it. Just wait until it's worn and toss it.
@@Kavi4GP good advice, i found it hard to get that info though and those sort of questions annoy people when you are just coming in for a servicing
@Mike exactly. they just warp the next time around even faster since they are thinner. Most vehicles have around 1mm of thickness that can removed. Found a chart for Range Rover saying 3mm.....
At this point with Range Rover you can claim to own one and just say "It's in the shop" and nobody will be the wiser.
They might even nod knowingly as to your perceived plight.
Being able to maintain a Rover is the true flex lol
The secret is to own more than one RR.
THATS RIGHT 🫵🏻
Wizard, enjoyed the brake lathe session. I would think it would be good to have discussed the minimum rotor thickness required when turning. Great video.
Quite often min is machined or stamped on edge of disc, whether you can read it for rust is another matter.
Love The Videos Car Wizard! Please keep them coming, I’ve done lots of work on cars that you’ve featured on your channel. It’s just taking me back watching your videos! I’m 24 years old now but back when I first finished high school I started doing a lot of British, English, & Italian cars. Long story short, I remember doing LOTS of timing guides & head gaskets on those engines. All the hard plastic lines ! 🤦♂️ Just a nightmare of a job! 50 freaking bolts holding the supercharger on lol but I honestly enjoyed it. But definitely keep the video’s coming, you seem fair, thorough, and honest & that goes a LONGG Way, love it man. I may have to come visit you at Omega sometime 😊 Thanks Again
I love how the dash is pretty much symmetrical so they can more easily swap LHD and RHD around
T'was always the way with Rovers;
even going back to the SD1 and P6.
When i was a kid back in the early 80s I used to watch the brake lathe at my dad's shop mesmerized... it was fascinating for some reason.
Dunno why, just thought I'd share that.
Back in the 70s I use the brake lathe I couldn't believe it when I remembered it 😅
The most comprehensive video you have made to date. Magic Mike helped out. Along with Mrs. Wizard. What a great team. A lot goes into a sun roof repair and even a simple Brake Rotor repair. Great stuff. And thank you.
I worked in auto parts in my teens (late 1970s), and I learned how to turn drums and rotors (on an Aamco brake lathe). The man who owned the auto parts stores where I worked (he and his wife owned three stores) was a machinist who taught me how to properly use the machines, and I have turned many, many drums and rotors over the years. This was like a blast from the past for me! I also learned how to make hydraulic hoses (we had many local farmers as customers), fill and charge batteries (back then, automotive batteries were shipped to the stores dry-- only to be filled with battery acid and activated when the customer purchased one), and how to rebuild starters and alternators. We had no computers to look up parts; we had catalog racks which required frequent replacement of catalogs and price sheets to stay current. This meant that if the power went out, we only needed a flashlight to look up and sell parts, which was handy when Hurricane Frederick hit! I sure miss the "good old days" at Rudy's Automotive Supply in Fairhope, Alabama, Bayside Auto Parts in Daphne, Alabama, and Baldwin Auto Parts in Spanish Fort, Alabama... all gone, but not forgotten!
I agree headliner removal does take a while (depending on the vehicle/age), HOWEVER it does not take weeks to do a headliner. I bought my suede headliner material from ebay (quality stuff) and hired a sunroof shop to install it which took about a day to complete (my vehicle isn't small either, 2013 Yukon XL). A year later and it's still excellent. Headliners can take a few days, depending on how easy it is to strip and readhesive (especially the roof curvature). BUT NOT WEEKS! LOL
One thing about turning rotors and drums, especially rotors, is that sometimes you get hard spots in them that make turning them not work out--they will still vibrate.
Easier - say - ‘machined’ or ‘resurfaced’ - make more logical sense than “turned” and then having explain things to clients. Have a safe and nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
Wizard, back when I was a GM Service Advisor, I used to document my R.O.'s as Resurfaced Rotors To Parallel Specs. People often state (not you Wizard) that their rotors were "out of round", which is impossible. The rotor faces become "out of parallel" with one another. It's nice to see that you've got this nice & fine machine in your shop. Maybe next, Ranger (Bendpack), could hook up with a nice & fine wheel balancing machine for your shop. You've really got it going on in your shop. I love the videos that you do & look forward to watching them for a long time to come. Keep up the great work buddy !!!
I would have thought it is more likely the braking surfaces are not parallel/true to the mounting surface than to each other.
@@philtowle4683 No, the mounting surface has nothing to do with this issue. The brake rotor's sides are out of parallel with one another...they are warped from heat. Resurfacing of the rotors corrects this. Symptoms of this issue is typically a pulsing brake pedal and/or shaking of steering wheel during the braking process. If the rear brake rotors/drums are bad, you feel it in the seat of the vehicle. Bear in mind that cross-drilled / slotted brake rotors cannot be resurfaced because brake lathe will dig into those holes. LOL...it would be a freaking mess...bigtime !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@randyneugent The drum only has one braking surface which is related back to the bearing location. The disc has two faces related to each other AND the mating face to the hub. When measuring the runout on the disc or rotor it is done in relation to the axis of the disc.
Every time I start thinking about buying this car there is a video that pops up reminding me not to
Get a Lexus LX570 instead
Rotor resurfacing. Haven't had that done in years. Everytime I get pads replaced, repair shop puts new rotors on. That's 4 different shops, Toyota dealership and one time that I changed Toyota Sequoia pads and rotors. I thought no one resurfaced rotor anymore.
O'reilly will resurface at $15 a rotor.
Even new ones should get a pass on the resurfacing machine.
Always educational, CW :) Back in the day, The disc was put on to the machine shaft. Centering by taper hubs, could be verified, by rotating the disc on the machine shaft by hand? Touch the cutter or mag base dial gauge near the disc hub?
Then slowly wind the cutter outwards, rotating the disc by hand? Just to feel for highs? Then wind back in, start the cut? Good idea to keep the revs a bit slow, to compensate for increased linear speed, feeding towards the outer?
A bloke started the cut, left it in auto & went away. The sound went a bit hard. Other mechanics in the shop heard it & started yelling at him, With That Sound :) Poor bloke, rushed back; Wind off the cut, Re-start. The foreman walked past, Didn't say anything, Just looked over the machine & set-up. Unspoken, final warning.
Mrs. Wizard's articulate reviews are way better than just hearing "Very, very nice".
Mrs. Wizard is a nice lady!
She’s got the right voice for it 👌
Pretty sure the roof is aluminium rather than steel though.
That's quite the distance....shipping to/from Mississippi. I like that you didn't tell them know, but I'm sure you also told them the car will be waiting probably for 4-6 weeks or more, while you both find time in your shop and at the upholsterers. Something I might keep in mind if I have a big job that my local technician doesn't want to do.
Cool shooting by Mrs. Wizard....never saw the inside of a taken apart Range Rover....oh wait, yes I have...Lol Hoovie! Anyways, Mrs. Wizard always does a great job!!
I've replaced 3 headliners in the 3 Chrysler minivans I've owned. All done myself. Removing the old backing and glue is easy with a strong shop vac.
This was not a bad Range Rover repair video with the Car Wizard. Anyway, I am hoping for an all-new, buy this, not that video for Mazda vehicles next upload on Thursday. Thank you very much and have a great night.
Last weekend one of my neighbours decided to resurface his front rotors on his V70 Volvo estate ,he wanted to do it himself to save money rather than replacing them with new ones. Sadly though he thought using an angle grinder was just the tool to use ,all was going well for a short while till he got some metal grit in his eye and then spent 8 hours in accident and emergency at the local hospital ,this week he had a local garage replace the rotors !
😵😵😵Ouch
You talking about going to the parts store to get rotors turned reminded me of my early 20s when I worked for an auto parts chain in the 90s. We turned drums and rotors. Oh the arguments we would get into with customers after we would measure their parts only to tell them we couldn't turn them because they would be out of spec.
Headliners fail because the thin layer foam breaks down because of the heat not just in Kansas
Bring back the Safari roof.....
www.alamy.com/land-rover-series-1-86-inch-safari-roof-model-white-uk-image246275752.html
I can't imagine EVER spending that much time and money with an old headliner...makes my neck hurt just removing them - once and for all on a 15 year old Jeep. End of problem.
Most passengers don't even notice an absent headliner .
That black e class next to the range looks to be mint I wonder what’s the deal with that one 😄
Wow, what a collection of vintage AV carts!
Mississippi to Kansas is only a short 900 mile jaunt!
Greetings from MS Car Wizard. My Dad is glad this headliner is being serviced in KS. He hates doing headliners!
I owned a 2010 hse lux. By far the best suv I've ever owned. Cel light remained on all the time for the left cat, the standard brakes were way too weak, did the air suspension once. Other than that I never had any issues. Traded it in at 137k and its still on the road today.
😂 you got tired of it huhh
Got a personal issue with Range Rovers "huhh"....Traded it in for a newer one 😎
@@reddstool1023 WOW 137k?!?! At that point a Lexus or Toyota SUV has appreciated over its original price. 😂
@@daniels2761 Yeah and the driver is just as miserable as the day he bought it.
Cool to see a brake lathe in use. Last time I had brakes done, they just said that the rotors don't last any longer than the pads. Though, I'm also in snow and salt land, so maybe that contributes. They might just get too rusty to be worth turning.
PRO TIP: if you mount a rotor to your lathe and it appears to be warped. Stop the leave rotate the rotor 180° and remount it. If the warp is in the same position on the rotor you know the rotor is truly warped. If the warp changes position then you know your setup was incorrect.
I used to work in an automotive machine shop. Funniest thing I ever heard from a southern guy. "Pardon me sir, do you turn brake rotisseries here?"
I love the way you make your videos because you go into details and a lot of TH-camrs don’t go into details they say they do things but in reality they send out to get it done you do your own work or as much as you can do but you go into specific detail I love that
I can afford to buy a Range Rover...I just wish I could afford to own one.
Same here!
Be worried not that you can’t afford a LR, it’s the maintenance and repairs that will make you suffer.
A Rivian is going to solve that. All the fun, practicality, performance, with none of the maintenance.
Insurance must be expensive?
My thoughts exactly on the sporty versions of the 3 series.
Just did a water leak from my L322 alternator, bad previous repair. You can’t bodge any repair. All good and charging as it should be now. Great video as ever Wizard 🧙♂️.
Love to see the actual processes being done. One issue I have with my 2017 Honda Pilot, which I purchased new, was the front rotors became warped very quickly. I don't break hard or for long periods but I was pulling about 1,600lbs trailer through the Colorado mountains but was careful not to cause brake fade due to prolonged or hard braking. I am thinking of replacing the rotors with drilled and slotted rotors to assist in cooling when I change my pads. I realize this type of rotor wears the pads more readily but pads are relatively inexpensive and easy to replace. I just irks me auto manufacturers use materials that just barely do the job and the Pilot is rated to easily pull this much weight. Enjoy the channel and the myriad variety of vehicles you repair.
why not just have the bill read "resurfaced brake rotors"
Hi, took me a while to work out what Rotors were, lol, here in the uk we call them brake discs
@@garystuart226 and we call it skimming
Many shops do that, since many people have no idea what makes their car stoppy when they push the big pedal.
@@dainsmart6237 Same in Australia.
@@dainsmart6237 Skimming is fraud here ;) Either taking "cash off the top" for yourself, or stealing from credit cards ...
A Range Rover shipped ALL the way from Mississippi to Kansas! WOW! I'm impressed. Now that's a customer who's probably not going to try to chisel you for a discount after paying that kind of money to get a vehicle like that to you. Such customers must truly be a pleasure to work with.
Maybe it was driven there 😂
@ Andy K Might help to watch the video. He says a customer shipped it to his shop from Mississippi. You probably weren't paying attention.
Way to go BendPak! I have not seen a brake lathe since working at a Toyota / Oldsmobile dealer in the '80s.
I've been watching the wizard's videos for years, and this might be the best yet! Thanks!
In my first career, turning wrenches, resurfacing rotors was a mainstay of break work. Wizard, don't forget to mic the rotor to ensure that there is enough meat left for proper braking operation...
The Car Wizard is now getting vehicles from several states away. I see a trend starting. Quality work means LOTS of work. Great JOB !
You may end up with the same problem a lot of top mechanics with shops have. The business gets so popular (I.e. shipping a car to you from Mississippi ), that you no longer can watch all the work, and there are just so many good mechanics around to hire. Good luck with managing the work that you want to maintain the quality.
It says a lot about most auto mechanics and repair shops that owners are willing to ship their cars several states away just to find an honest and competent mechanic. Why? I can give you some personal examples: my local repair shop insisted that I needed to replace the cabin air filter on my wife’s truck. I gave them several opportunities to catch their “mistake” before I involved the shop manager - where I informed him that my 2011 Chevrolet Silverado DOES NOT HAVE a cabin air filter. Instead of apologizing, the shop manager proceeded to argue and get defensive. The shop we previously used told me that we had to change the center differential oil in our 2015 Toyota Highlander Hybrid, and if we didn’t, we’d be putting ourselves and others at risk. When I asked them to show me where said differential might actually be (keep in mind this is a hybrid with electric motors turning the rear wheels), they declined and became very surly. Long story short - people don’t want lies, crooks, and bullying tactics - they want an honest mechanic - and the wizard and his people are that.
Here's a better idea - post your experience on the Google Maps page for that business. Over a million people a day read Google Maps reviews for businesses.
The Wizard is making Headlines this month.with his headliners 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
maybe we should get him a nice pluche liner for his head :)
Agree👍..Fiasco!??? wtf
I'm surprised that there is no lubricant used in the "turning" process. Cool to see this though. I've never seen one of these machines, but understood the process it performs. Thanks Wizard!
Machining cast iron rotors, it isn't necessary to run coolant *especially* at the slow speeds these brake lathes work.
I have a 2010 L322 in the same spec, same colors. They drive so nice it is well worth the potential headaches and it is a real beast off road. The exterior on mine isn't as clean though as it is an off road rig.
Back in the day 1960s(?), Porsche had a problem with squealing disc brakes. One fix was to drill few small holes in the pad then insert pencil leads in the holes. The graphite reduced the squeal and didn’t affect the braking. I don’t know how many holes were drilled.
Panels and panels and panels would grow legs in my Driveway. Then again, I wouldn't be working on other people's stuff either. I have enough trouble fixing my own stuff.
8 hours labor plus a headliner. Plus any gaskets or seals for the sun roof. Do them now. Plastic bushings that things roll on. More time.
An example of if you gotta ask, you can't afford it. Some people bag the pieces individually as they come off to avoid scratching. Good vid. thanks.
turning rotors and drums is kind of a lost art these days glad to see the wizard does it
I love turning rotors and drums. So satisfying.
Man, I need to start showing my BMW repairs on my channel. I’d love to have people wanting me to work on their cars. Nice brake lathe! I want one! 👍
It’s a beautiful SUV- One of the most beautiful SUVs Ever!!) if only they ran as well as they looked!
The late model L322s are actually relatively reliable, no more unreliable than most European vehicles. The earlier BMW-powered variants mentioned were the ones to avoid. Still an expensive vehicle that will have expensive maintenance.
My absolute favorite gen of Range Rover.
David you need to get a vaccum / venting system for the brake rotors. They let out a ton of dirty brake dust everywhere. Your shop is going to be loaded with brake dust, the office and all the nice cars. You could have something pretty cheap on your own with an old shop vaccum and some vent tubes if need be.
In my experience every time I turned any rotor, 5 or 7 thousand miles later the vibration came back. If the metal gets a hot spot or fatigued in any place, the rotor will warp again once under load. A total waste of time and labor , replace the rotors and forget it !
Depends, some rotors are very expensive which makes sense to turn them, some others are cheap enough to replace every second brake pads job
@Mike yeah obviously, min rotor thickness should always be checked, brembo discs on my car state it clearly but I should be able to have them turned once before replacing..
It's so sad that in America it's hard to find a mechanic you can trust. I have not seen rotor turning in 20 years. Many shops that do brakes don't have machines to turn rotors.
In most instances, it cheaper and faster to replace,than turn them,the dealer have the machine where they don't have to take rotors off to cut them,thats way more efficient......
I started doing my own work when turn around time was 3 weeks
Good video explaining points that the average person does not know. I would like to add that just by driving with your windows down affect the headliner eventually.
It would be great to see at least part of a video that takes place at your favorite upholstery shop.
Great vid as always. My company stores the tools to make spare parts for the L322. I’ve also seen the headliners being made at the company we store the tools for here in England.
Strange there isn’t a boot on that shaft on the cutting side of the brake lathe. I own an older ammco. Bought it years ago from a big car repair shop that went out of business in the last recession and it came with every cone and adapter they made. Nice
The headliner issue was mainly down to BMW who (2008 to 2016) until range rover being taken over by TATA used low adhesive glue that became soft under high heat, most bmw’s and range rovers from this age can suffer from this issue,, it can be fixed but its a labor intensive job.
Earlier LR products are no better Freelander 1 is just as bad.
My 1987 Volvo also had sagging liner. Old 123 body Mercedes no proplem
A lot of mechanics love JLR products.
They are so unreliable and need such frequent expensive repair and maintenance they are practically a licence to print money...
Yup, that's what I tell my wife every time she goes ga-ga over some Jag.
funny becuase ford designed and supplied almost every part of this range rover...
Cool myth. Have not heard that one before. Wait, wait lemme guess... Toyota is the end-all to all things automotive?
@@snuffysmiffwhy don’t you just tell her you can’t afford one? Pride getting in the way?
I find customers catch on more quickly when you refer to it as, "machined rotors" on the invoice.
Impressed that for a 2011 car, its still on the road. Reviewers often comment that every extra must be specified when buying new, as incrementally everything stops working. Have never owned one, but seem to be a very popular model.
The Car Wizard just completed an all-new, buy this, not that video last week. He did one for Porsche, but not for Mazda, yet. Thanks.
Machining rotors isn't justifiable now a days. You're just charging the customer more labour instead of charging for new rotors. Also, the machined rotors are thinner and more prone to warping👎
Wrong, he should have mentioned the specs. Turning rotors is a good thing as long as there is enough meat to stay within spec. Too thin and they can warp and crack. Most customers will think you did a poor job if the wheel shakes when you brake. Turning the rotors eliminates that. Even NEW rotors should be given a quick pass on the lathe as they are often warped right out of the box.
You must have missed the part in the video where the Car Wizard checked to make sure there's enough metal "meat" on the outside. In many cases, it's cheaper and more cost effective to charge a customer labor to resurface the rotors than to replace them.
New discs for this would cost way more than turning them. Heavy quick car which can warp new discs if not bedded in properly.
CW, it has been my experience when you have three or more working mechanics in a shop, the brake lathe is a boost for your own bottom line and gets the job out faster with more results control. Really have learned more a bout Land Rovers watching you- have thought to buy one, but now I know a bit more; late model, after BMW engine years, from hot dry country with the headliner hanging down; that list could lead me to something I can fix and can afford! FR
I drove my P38 4.6 litre 1998 Range Rover to Taunton, in Somerset England, where I met the guy at his home who offered to fit a new headlining including sunroof in my car. I chose one from a choice of three headlining fabrics, and he told me to walk up to the local shopping centre about half a mile away, to get the £300 from the cashpoint, and about one hour later, I walked back to my car at his house, where to my surprise, the new headlining, front "A" pillars, "B" pillars, sunroof, and grab handles, sun visors, and all interior light fittings were back in the car, and it looked fabulous. I paid the £300 and drove back to Holland, where three years later, the headlining still looks brand new. He took less than ONE HOUR to complete the job. Contact me if you would like to know how to contact the installer.
Yes, "a few weeks" for a headliner job is ridiculous.
Methinks that he had already-upholstered headlinings "in stock"....
ready to go...on an exchange basis..though he might not have told you that.
Do enough of them...as he obviously had...and with a team of two....yeah I would believe the hour exchange time.....
Impressed with the interior of this 10year old LR. Very beautiful.
Diving into these videos as I’m considering buying a cheap 2010 Range Rover sport supercharged right now, it’s having a no crank no start but everything else is working and from what I’ve seen it’s 1 of 3-4 things and relatively simple fixes so I’m
Hoping it’s a easy fix and a steal of a deal
Must be nice getting free equipment from benpak
I mean you could expect that with your knowledge and abilities and attention to detail and dedication to doing it right it wouldn't surprise me if eventually people ship their cars from out of the country for you to fix
In the 90s when the caravans kept throwing the belts dorman designed a two-sided belt system for it to keep the belt from walking off the idler
Nice to see your new toy being demoed, I’d have some reservation about mounting them concentic using the taper collets, possibility of mounting them out of true and then turning the new surface out of true. There’s probably a cost balance point where it’s cheaper to fit new rotors than resurface, especially on your domestic vehicles. Perishing foam in head liners, now who’s going to tell the customer that...
I quit having rotors resurfaced years ago. Nobody could seem to do it right. One shop cut factory grooves out of some rotors, or tried to, after I expressly said don't remove the grooves, just clean them up.. The were not useable.
When I started in the parts business early 80s it was very rare to sell a new brake drum or rotor. If a replacement was needed the shop would buy a used one from the wrecking yard and clean it up on a brake lathe. Most shops had one back then and our store had one for those that didn't. What made these things go away is twofold. First, the price of new rotors dropped in the 90s because they were made offshore, then shops noticed how much faster a vehicle was out the door using new rotors. Maybe Wizard mentioned the time but I'm thinking 15 mins a rotor. Its the same reason shops don't rebuild calipers, wheel cylinders, alternators and starters. Customers don't want to wait and parts from a store have warranties. We haven't sold a brake lathe in years and stock replacement tool bits for only 2 customers.
I had a complete Snap-On machine that was in immaculate condition that I sold recently on CL for $550 and considered myself verrrrry lucky!
I can see how a resurfacing would be beneficial for older original equipment or for more expensive cars where the rotors cost more but on most ordinary every day cars it’s a shame that it’s almost the same money or cheaper to buy new ones online , anyway great vid !
Man, I just noticed Car Wizard has surpassed half a million subscribers (probably will hit 600k sooner than later). This has been one of my go to channels for entertainment, and it's nice to see many others enjoy it as well.
The rule with these if buying one is avoid the years that use BMW engine and electronics. Go for post 2007 to be safe on that.
true
2005 to 2009 has 4.4l jaguar engine. Best motor they have made imho.
Yet Land Rover is still the least reliable brand on the road, even model years including the last 3 years, as statistics prove. Wait I'll these models get a little older.... BMW is a more reliable brand, fact.
Who makes the engines and electronics after 2007?
@@stuartstuart866 Ford
Even with aftermarket pads and rotors one the brakes will continue to squeak. Only option is to go OEM or put a chamfer in in the pads I have found out.
This guy knows. The like 7 revisions of that TSB
Interesting how terminology differs - in our neck of the woods "turning rotors" = "skimming brake discs" 😁🇿🇦. Seeing the lathe machine is do its thing was cool though 👍
I'm from the Northeast and it's "turning" here as well.
@@MrWoodyBalto I'm outside the US (South Africa)
I'm not a motor head or anything but this guy is A+ subscription. Seems to follow the pattern of a lot of other channels I like. Soft spoken, concise, slight amount of humor. Others in the same vein: hickock45, Kitboga, LockPickingLawyer