Great news, we made a deal with the Illuminati that every time you complain that Wilson brought the income tax and was a racist, we get 1 penny and two pennies when you call him a hypocrite or the worst US president. All you need to do is post the comments here: screamintothevoid.com/ By our calculations, we should be able to finance the show with this for the upcoming decade.
Funny ;-) Nobody (ok, ok: almost nobody) really cares about "racism", "sexism", whatever. The majority of these complainers are just doing a performance in a cheap "virtue signaling" circus.
It was France that wanted Germany destroyed, Britain wanted Germany to still be relatively strong so they could trade, and to maintain a balance of power.
Wilson was actually very 'sympathetic' to the French position on Germany after the war, and it was actually Britain which most strongly argued against overly punitive measures after the war.
Wilson was basically on his death bed by the time the negotiations started, so the US position in the negotiations where being handled by other people in his name at that point.
A great while ago i complained about the new set but honestly its grown on me a lot now. I understood Flo would one day come with an explanation or something but honestly if that's still happening I don't think its necessary, I think the new set is great now. :') Great work as always Great War Team, your editing style is amazing and its the small things like ambient chatter on the Woodrow Wilson footage, that passion that makes me come back every single time.
I liked the old one better as well as the old intro song, but those are just minor details, the show would be fantastic regardless of background or music used...
Wilson's 14 points were great and all but I'm sure leaders at the time thought he had a lot of nerve making such grand demands when the US had done (comparatively) so little in the war.
Well the only major economy that was not in debt was The USA. And most of the american allies owed money to them. So it is not as much about war contribution as it is about the balance of power after the war.
Also true to an extent. We see British and French colonialism clinging on after the war and I'm sure the treaty of Versailles was not exactly what Wilson had in mind.
I would argue that the US could have pushed harder for a more leniant peace on germany, but the american people chose to isolate themselves from international politics. I mean The US never even joined the League of Nations, an organization created on the basis of Wilsons 14th point. Ignoring Europe and the fall of euoropean democracies would stop only when an american state was attackted directly. The mistake made at the end of WWI would not be reapeted after the WWII.
I'm so so glad that I found this dedicated and thorough channel. I admit I'm new to this journey with the war to end all wars, and am still going through 1915, but it's such a glorious journey! Thanks to all the people who help make this show come alive!
In addition to Wilson's 14 points, January 1918 was noteworthy in the United States for a coal shortage in the Midwest and Northeast during blizzards and sub-zero F weather. The Fuel Administration ordered almost all industrial plants east of the Mississippi to close for five days (Jan 18-22) in order to free fuel for ships filled with war materials for Europe. This order also included schools and churches. Everything was also to shut down every Monday for the next ten weeks. A quick Google scan also shows coal shortages in Toronto and London at the same time. Apparently the shortage in the United States had its roots in the government takeover of the railroads in August and not allotting enough rail cars to the mines to provide a stockpile for the winter.
After The Great War please create a second channel of "In between the wars" that would cover the time between the first and a second world war. This is such an underrated age that is definitely not talked about enough. I think most of the people here would be interested in that.
+Alexander The Turtle It's not just Wilson. International relations and morality are of a diametrically opposite nature. Also, some of his 14 Points were vague and contradicted each other...
Not really the point about ottoman minorities went horribly wrong with those minorities being once again massacred and driven out their lands into the 1920s.
So glad the Austrians of South Tyrol live in Italy. So glad that no other South Slav groups were mentioned so that after the war their lands could get divided between the Italians and Serbs. So glad Poland was given access to the sea effectively separating East Prussia from the rest of Germany. I am sure this didn't contribute to German revanchism later on. So glad the concerns of colonial populations should have equal weight to those of the imperial masters therefore leading to a deadlock and no change while territories belonging to the losing side should benefit from "autonomous development". So glad "autonomous development" and self-determination were so broadly defined and abstract to the point where the status quo could be interpreted to be the result of self-determination. So glad minority groups were offered hope of self-determination. I am sure no country embarked on a systematic elimination of the said groups in order to avoid the loss of territory. So glad free-trade was promoted. Nothing bad ever came from this ideology. These are flawless points!
"It seems like that Wilson is a little bit biased against the Germans..." *HE WAS FIGHTING THE GERMANS FOR YEARS AND LOST 100K MEN* what you think he was gonna give them whole of poland??
Thank you for this series. I started on this with week one a week ago. You did great research and was very informative. You did wonders with foreign names and places pronunciations.
To my grandfather. You are now in the war somewhere in the west. You didn't really know who this kid was that visited you every year for a week. Sadly dementia has hit you and left you with the memories of the artillery that you fired towards the French and your love for your young wife that you would meet very soon. You would live on as a teacher, forget that there was another aweful war and followed your wife passing on with 85 years. Thank you for sharing those stories with this kid. Great show!
I really love this channel. It gives me alot of Information about WW1 and the other important people who had an important role in WW1 and in the following events. But sometimes It's really hard to understand everything because I'm from germany and my English is not that good. But I still have to say that this channel is one of the best channels on TH-cam. Keep up the great Work.
Interesting dissection of Wilson's Fourteen points. I guess at the time it seemed that this was something the world needed. But was destined to fall short. Great job.
Howdy, Indy and crew! Now that you've answered one of my questions, I have a next one. Many countries fielded units consisting of soldiers of different nations: the British had soldiers from dominions like ANZAC, Austro-Hungarians had Polish Legions, Russians had Latvian Rifles and so on. Did Germany deploy such units? I don't mean troops from colonies, but something like Escadrille Lafayette or General Haller's Third Polish Brigade, aka the Blue Army, serving with the French. And a little tip, my surname is pronounced like "Vatslavik".
Something curious about Operation Michael is that it ended on april 5th And my birthday is on april 5th, Miguel is Michael in spanish, so this year I’ll be 19 and it will be a centenary since the end of a operation with my name
Ah how could I forget, the 14 points, the brilliant and flawless plan of the genius Wilson to bring about peace to Europe. France, Britain and Italy will follow this to the letter, I’m sure of it
Because of your TH-cam channel and the history that is in my own family I've decided become an historian I found out that my great great grandfather was a part of the 4th Light Horse I've collected over the last 2 years I have a lot of World War 1 and 2 memorabilia my two prize items are a 1885 Martini Henry and a German World War One helmet I would just like to say thank you and I'm sure there are many other people that are thinking the same thing keeping TH-cam channel after you guys rock
@Superdude70 my rifle has the New South Wales stamp on it and the ^d^ Mark he definitely was used during World War 1 never thought about tracking a down possibly but I would have no idea how to do that would have to ask my boss
@Superdude70 definitely agree with that could have been used with home gard but you never know all things considered it doesn't speak only if it could it would tell a great story I'm sure
I remember in my last year of College I wrote a paper about how Wilson's 14 points could be seen as the grandfather of what would eventually become the US's neoconservative foreign policy of the early 2000s
@@jeremyheintz1479 Tell me you have no understanding of history without telling me you have no understanding of history. How did you even get to this channel?
Since the 16th century there have been wars and border incidents between the Ottoman Empire and Persia. I guess that the reference is to the The Treaties of Erzurum of 1823 and 1847 that defined some of the borders between the Ottoman Empire and Persia, but which apparently were only finalised in 1914. So, The Ottomans probably had the ambition to annul these treaties and probably usurp a lager piece of Persia.
Indy, is right, the focus should be here on the 14 points themselves, WE all know Wilson's shortcomings but that is not the topic of discussion. The ability to place a moral objective to such a bloody conflict demonstrates Wilson needing to both justify the declaration of war and set measurable goals as to what would determine the immediate success of the conflict.
I've trying to research a great uncle's U.S. Army record and records of their battles. Shheeesh,... I think there's more information on the internet about Mars than documentation from WW1. Amazing job you guys do with the show. Any rate, more historical documents are available so I was able to confirm he was a machinegunner in the 37th Div (Ohio Nat Guard). However he departed NY harbor as a listed member of the 40th Div. Digging through documentation you begin to realize how chaotic it was trying to get the US Army put together and "trained". Reminds me of the Abbott and Costello skit "Who's on First?" What a cluster.
Hi Indy love the show During holiday I visited a World War One museum explaining about The war in the Alps,I found a picture of a crashed aeroplane buried in the snow. Could it have been possible for a plane to fly in these type of temperatures? If so how could it have flown and why? Many thanks Amir.
Thanks for covering everything so in depth. Its amazing to see how this war affected all parts of the world and not only Europe, I was wondering if you guys could do an episode on Asia and how the Great war affected the countries/territories there.
Does anyone know which musical piece are being used when he talks about the germans planing their spring offensive? I can't seem to match it to their regular soundtrack...
Hi Indy and the Great War team I have been trying to find out about Albert jacka who I share my name with but I can’t seem to find much information on him other then he was a VC from world war 1 in the Australian army and his nickname was (Australian achillies) love your show since week one thank you
I don't think that I have ever really appreciated how much of an impact the first world war had on the future of the world. The fact that we still have people being "trolls" 100 years later shows how world war one did not end anything, it was just the prologue to the beginning of "modern" conflict. I know how pretencous that sounds.
Now that we're into 1918 in TGW and we (in 2018) know from history that the end is in sight, it'll be interesting to see the steps that lead from Wilson's 14 points to the actual armistice and the Treaty of Versailles, which levied blame on the Germans and set the stage for WW2. I'd often been taught about how Germany wasn't actually beaten but the leadership caved anyway and took the blame for the whole war (the German betrayal myth).
Hey Indi, don't know if you've already covered it but did neutral nations such as Spain, Netherlands or Sweden send military observers to the frontlines?
Some have argued that Wilson's arms control measures laid the groundwork for well-meaning nations to be unprepared for the next war, and thus encouraged aggression by those who began the next world war.
Unfortunately, no voluntary arms control measure (except, partly, for the use of biological and chemical weapons) was ever passed or enforced after WW1. If nations were unprepared, it was not because of that.
Ottoman Campaign to Caucaus by Third Ottoman Army was carefully planned (unlike Sarikamis Fiasco in 1914) and used Empire's last and best resources remained including manpower and material. By then Berlin Baghdad railway extended beyond Erzurum and Turks even gathered up some motorised vehicles along with pack animals for logistical tail to reach Caucaus and get Baku first. Enver Pasha Ottoman Minister of war even offered double pay for every officer volunteered to serve in Caucaus Front and Third Army (later dubbed Turkish Islam Army) THAT was a strategically stupid move of couse , took vital reinforcements and material away from Middle East and left Syria-Jordan-Northern Iraq defenceless against British advance.
hi Indy, this is for out of the trenches. I see that you have a kukri on your desk, my question is what part did the Gurkha's have to play in world war 1?
Dominican Republic was invaded by US in those years , with the excuse of a failed loan. They also annexed a schunk of Cuba, and never asked Puerto Rico about their military occupation. No morals were involved in the 14 points either.
I know I'm late, but Austria-Hungary and Russia had their own planes, hadn't they? And if the had, how had they used them throughout the war? Were them at the same level of German and British/French ones?
Top job. Thanks again for the great quality, this more or less appears the first thing I see whenever I go onto TH-cam after work on Thursday evenings which has been the case since 2015 :)
It is worth noting that many of Wilson's 'idealistic' aims were very much embedded in the practical needs of the USA, particularly his push for the 'free trade', which was basically an open grab for greater access for the US to the massive protectionist trading blocks of the UK and France. Even breaking up the Empires of Europe was a very important move for the USA, which knew that no individual European country could match the USA's military and economy without their colonies. This is not to say they were wrong, but I would hesitate to call them 'idealistic'.
And that, my friend, is the way of the world. South Park did a great coverage of it in their "Pussies and Dicks" segment. There is so much hypocrisy in all government, everywhere, that trying to define it in order to limit its negative effect is a labor of Hercules. Remember the layers of the onion principle: if you see a truth, it's only the next layer of the onion peeling away . . . leaving plenty more behind.
It's tragic how some people in Germany received these 14 points. They thought. that if they just signed an armistice and got rid of the emperor, there would be a comfortable peace treaty with those 14 points being the "worst case" scenario for the Central Powers, so in the end, the Germans effectively surrendered unconditionally, since they thought nothing bad would happen. A sad misunderstanding.
Germany did not "surrender unconditionally" that happened in May 1945. Compiegne Armistice in November 1918 allowed German armies to evacuate occupied Belgium and Northern France intact and with their weapons back to Fatherland. (Actually German Right and Far Right made a great fanfare from that , staging great military parades in Berlin claiming new Republic president Ebert to troops "You were unbowed in the field" nonsense. That unbroken German militarism and "undefeated on field" myth caused World War 2) German Weimar Republic authority remained where it was and no one interfared German domestic affairs.
And if you are talking about Versailles Treaty well it was not worse than what Germans were planning in case they won and incorporated Belgium , Luxemburg , Northern France , Rumenia and forced Russians in Brest Litovsk by subjagating Ukranie and Baltics as puppet states into German customs union / economic zones. German militarists were planning to swallow all of Belgium if they won. In Versailles Germany lost just 12 percent of its territory (mostly conflicted areas with minorities) instead. Actually Sevres Treaty and St. Germain Treaties forced on disintegrating Ottoman and Austia Hungarian Empires were way worse. Germany got off easy at Versailles since all Europe still needed an efficiently running German coal industry in Ruhr and sympathy first German republic gathered by overthrowing Imperial Monarchy.
I know that Germany didn't surrender unconditionally, but the chaos during the revolution and the counterrevolution made the difference miniscule. This whole thing about the German army being undefeated is a delicate subject. It is obvious that the German army was about to be defeated, it was only a matter of time, but the German army wasn't YET defeated, so Ebert's statement was technically correct. If you take the most hawkish ideas for German war goals and if you assume that they could actually negotiate a peace treaty that would fully implement this very extreme position, the result might be even worse than Versailles, but not only were those very hawkish goals not representative of the overall German position and beyond that it's impossible that the Central powers could pull off such a treaty. You can't compare the treaties with Austria-Hungary, Brest-Litowsk and the Treaty of Versailles. The Austro-Hungarian Empire and Tsarist Russia were multinational empires, while the German Empire was a mostly homogenous nation state. Alsace-Lorraine was predominantly German (87% German in 1900!) and the land in the east that was taken from Germany had minorities, but the new borders had little respect for ethnic or lingual borders creating huge German minorities. Wherever a referendum was held in the east, the population (even the Slavic minorities) voted to stay with Germany, the only exception being small border areas in Upper Silesia. Brest-Litowsk split up an empire, but it didn't create a Russian exclave (like East Prussia was after Versailles) and there were hardly any areas with a conceivable Russian majority that Russia lost due to the treaty of Brest-Litowsk. If splitting Ukraine and the Baltic states from Russia at Brest-Litowsk seems harsh to you, then the end of the Soviet Union must be really unfair for the Russians too, right?
9:20 Serbia stated its war aims in Dec. 1914: The Niš Declaration (Serbian: Нишка декларација/Niška deklaracija) was a public declaration of war objectives of the Kingdom of Serbia made on 7 December 1914 after successful offensives of the Royal Serbian Army. The government issued a statement, approved by the National Assembly, which included a call for Yugoslav unification.
Alsatians are alsatians and were treated like shit by the germans for being part of the French nation since at least the French Revolution. My family is from Alsace, they were expelled from their homeland in 1871 because they had been officers in the French army since the time of Napoleon.
I'm not sure Mr Wilson is ware just how many little ethnic and cultural groups there are in Europe. I mean, you can't even get Manchester and Liverpool to choose between Blue and Red without a fight! ;)
Pretty sure the Alsatians were pretty unhappy about 1871's annexion. They even made a re-education camp to beat "frenchness" out of the recalcitrant alsatians, crashed the local textile economy, treated alsatians like second class citizens forcing an exile of alsatians workers to France, and imported german industry workers there to "germanize" the lot. Meanwhile several of Napoleon's top officers were alsatians.
as indy points out the big deal with the 14 points were less what they were, but that they were. this had sunk down into a slogging match with a vague war aim of beat the other guy. suddenly someone else has put out firm ideas and since no one sels had any, you couldn't really say 'no' without looking like a jerk.
Great news, we made a deal with the Illuminati that every time you complain that Wilson brought the income tax and was a racist, we get 1 penny and two pennies when you call him a hypocrite or the worst US president. All you need to do is post the comments here: screamintothevoid.com/
By our calculations, we should be able to finance the show with this for the upcoming decade.
XD
The Great War shiiiettt
Funny ;-)
Nobody (ok, ok: almost nobody) really cares about "racism", "sexism", whatever. The majority of these complainers are just doing a performance in a cheap "virtue signaling" circus.
The Great War
I did what you asked....
Glad I got THAT off my chest!😆
If you care about history you ought to hate Wilson, he was a terrible historian who helped spread the 'lost cause' myth about the american civil war.
Ah yes, the 14 points, one of the bulletpoints that are always making it into the history test
Don't get me started
I am sure the France and Britain will take these 14 points to heart and wont demand unreasonable terms of surrender if they win.
It was France that wanted Germany destroyed, Britain wanted Germany to still be relatively strong so they could trade, and to maintain a balance of power.
Wilson was actually very 'sympathetic' to the French position on Germany after the war, and it was actually Britain which most strongly argued against overly punitive measures after the war.
Wilson was basically on his death bed by the time the negotiations started, so the US position in the negotiations where being handled by other people in his name at that point.
@Fabian Kirchgessner the americans didnt oppose this view.
Yes, just like the germans will be fair to russia when it surrenders, and like they planned to be to france and england if they surrendered
I feel a strange disturbance, as if millions of high school history students all cried out in joy and were suddenly silent.
Er what?
We felt the same.
😊I have been binge watching your WW1 series and am on week 87.
Thank you so much, I have been telling everyone I know about this amazing channel!
equarg don't do that. You'll eventually catch up with us and then you'll have to watch it one episode a week like any common peasant...
equarg morover it's winter and there is not mutch that append every week you should wait so you catch up with us. When the German at going to attack.
Clément Charpentier I’ve been here since week like 3 it’s amazing how much has changed over the years on this channel
camilo gonzalez 😂😂😂😂😂😂
But he has so many side episodes and extras!!!
Plus I can rematch episodes and take NOTES!
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A great while ago i complained about the new set but honestly its grown on me a lot now. I understood Flo would one day come with an explanation or something but honestly if that's still happening I don't think its necessary, I think the new set is great now. :')
Great work as always Great War Team, your editing style is amazing and its the small things like ambient chatter on the Woodrow Wilson footage, that passion that makes me come back every single time.
we love it too and so does our camera
I liked the old one better as well as the old intro song, but those are just minor details, the show would be fantastic regardless of background or music used...
Wilson's 14 points were great and all but I'm sure leaders at the time thought he had a lot of nerve making such grand demands when the US had done (comparatively) so little in the war.
Well the only major economy that was not in debt was The USA. And most of the american allies owed money to them. So it is not as much about war contribution as it is about the balance of power after the war.
Yeah, I agree. It must have been a tough pill to swallow though.
Also true to an extent. We see British and French colonialism clinging on after the war and I'm sure the treaty of Versailles was not exactly what Wilson had in mind.
I would argue that the US could have pushed harder for a more leniant peace on germany, but the american people chose to isolate themselves from international politics. I mean The US never even joined the League of Nations, an organization created on the basis of Wilsons 14th point. Ignoring Europe and the fall of euoropean democracies would stop only when an american state was attackted directly. The mistake made at the end of WWI would not be reapeted after the WWII.
KKKKKKK777js we had a HUGE debt after WWI. Then Harding and Coolidge cut spending and paid it off!
You forgot to mention a quote from French president about Wilson's 14 points: "God himself only wrote 10 commandments, not 14"
Hey, we're in 1918. That means we can finally start being right when we say the war will be over by Christmas!
There will not be peace until well into 1919. The armistice of 1918 did not include a halt to the deadly sea blockade.
Yea I am sure the Germans will win any day now. There is now way the allies could last till Christmas much less turn this around.
Classic
I am one year ahead of you. And the War is not yet over.
what will Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf do this year only time will tell!!!
Groom his 'stache, with any luck!
Find out in the next episode of ~~Dragonball Z~~ The Great War!
I'm so so glad that I found this dedicated and thorough channel. I admit I'm new to this journey with the war to end all wars, and am still going through 1915, but it's such a glorious journey! Thanks to all the people who help make this show come alive!
In addition to Wilson's 14 points, January 1918 was noteworthy in the United States for a coal shortage in the Midwest and Northeast during blizzards and sub-zero F weather. The Fuel Administration ordered almost all industrial plants east of the Mississippi to close for five days (Jan 18-22) in order to free fuel for ships filled with war materials for Europe. This order also included schools and churches. Everything was also to shut down every Monday for the next ten weeks. A quick Google scan also shows coal shortages in Toronto and London at the same time. Apparently the shortage in the United States had its roots in the government takeover of the railroads in August and not allotting enough rail cars to the mines to provide a stockpile for the winter.
After The Great War please create a second channel of "In between the wars" that would cover the time between the first and a second world war. This is such an underrated age that is definitely not talked about enough. I think most of the people here would be interested in that.
I am so happy I found this channel. I watch every video within the hour.
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure ya did :)
Love you Indy!!
So glad The 14 Points were implemented to the last point...
V. Athanasiou I might be wrong, so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe Wilson was too sick to attend negotiations.
+Alexander The Turtle It's not just Wilson. International relations and morality are of a diametrically opposite nature. Also, some of his 14 Points were vague and contradicted each other...
Not really the point about ottoman minorities went horribly wrong with those minorities being once again massacred and driven out their lands into the 1920s.
So glad the Austrians of South Tyrol live in Italy.
So glad that no other South Slav groups were mentioned so that after the war their lands could get divided between the Italians and Serbs.
So glad Poland was given access to the sea effectively separating East Prussia from the rest of Germany. I am sure this didn't contribute to German revanchism later on.
So glad the concerns of colonial populations should have equal weight to those of the imperial masters therefore leading to a deadlock and no change while territories belonging to the losing side should benefit from "autonomous development".
So glad "autonomous development" and self-determination were so broadly defined and abstract to the point where the status quo could be interpreted to be the result of self-determination.
So glad minority groups were offered hope of self-determination. I am sure no country embarked on a systematic elimination of the said groups in order to avoid the loss of territory.
So glad free-trade was promoted. Nothing bad ever came from this ideology.
These are flawless points!
It seems like that Wilson is a little bit biased against the Germans...
True. Although the US was on the allied side and aiming to help them win, against the Germans. As such bias is hard to avoid I would think.
Wilson is the best
Allied Forces were the bad guys in WWI
He actually had by far and away the most reasonable demands of the allies. I don't know what you where expecting it's not like the US was neutral.
"It seems like that Wilson is a little bit biased against the Germans..."
*HE WAS FIGHTING THE GERMANS FOR YEARS AND LOST 100K MEN* what you think he was gonna give them whole of poland??
Thank you for this series. I started on this with week one a week ago. You did great research and was very informative. You did wonders with foreign names and places pronunciations.
Another great episode
Creds to you Indy! German names, French, Swedish names and Finish, your pronunciation is so good!
Also fantastic channel!
To my grandfather. You are now in the war somewhere in the west. You didn't really know who this kid was that visited you every year for a week. Sadly dementia has hit you and left you with the memories of the artillery that you fired towards the French and your love for your young wife that you would meet very soon. You would live on as a teacher, forget that there was another aweful war and followed your wife passing on with 85 years. Thank you for sharing those stories with this kid.
Great show!
I really love this channel. It gives me alot of Information about WW1 and the other important people who had an important role in WW1 and in the following events. But sometimes It's really hard to understand everything because I'm from germany and my English is not that good.
But I still have to say that this channel is one of the best channels on TH-cam. Keep up the great Work.
Wenn du eine Frage hast, kannst du einfach fragen. Grüße aus Berlin.
WW... Woodrow Wilson ? Willy Wonka ? ... Walter White ?
Duke of Lorraine World War ?
Little known fact - Woodrow Wilson had an RV parked behind the White House, where he developed a new variety of Crystal Meth.
Walter WInchel
You got me!
Duke of Lorraine Its a foreshadow for ww2...
Interesting dissection of Wilson's Fourteen points. I guess at the time it seemed that this was something the world needed. But was destined to fall short. Great job.
What timing. We talked about this in history class today! Great video!
Thanks Great War! Happy Thursday!
Howdy, Indy and crew! Now that you've answered one of my questions, I have a next one. Many countries fielded units consisting of soldiers of different nations: the British had soldiers from dominions like ANZAC, Austro-Hungarians had Polish Legions, Russians had Latvian Rifles and so on. Did Germany deploy such units? I don't mean troops from colonies, but something like Escadrille Lafayette or General Haller's Third Polish Brigade, aka the Blue Army, serving with the French. And a little tip, my surname is pronounced like "Vatslavik".
I'm proud Australians voted against conscription throughout the war
That IS very impressive!
At least they got the option to vote on it. Many other nations declared that it was happening and that's that.
Something curious about Operation Michael is that it ended on april 5th
And my birthday is on april 5th, Miguel is Michael in spanish, so this year I’ll be 19 and it will be a centenary since the end of a operation with my name
11. Where is our access to the see now, WIlson?
Gone. Reduced to atoms.
Ah the 14 Points, the very points Wilson would admit he wasn't sure what he was talking about.
"Bruchmuller is here to orchestrate the symphony of our 10,000 guns..." Kaiserschlacht is my favorite operation in BF1.
Still best channel on TH-cam, keep up the good work!
On my birthday, what a good video for it!
I finally caught up, just in time for the new episode to come out tomorrow.
The war is coming to end. Nice to meet you! ( piacere di averti conosciuto! ).
Ah how could I forget, the 14 points, the brilliant and flawless plan of the genius Wilson to bring about peace to Europe. France, Britain and Italy will follow this to the letter, I’m sure of it
Because of your TH-cam channel and the history that is in my own family I've decided become an historian I found out that my great great grandfather was a part of the 4th Light Horse I've collected over the last 2 years I have a lot of World War 1 and 2 memorabilia my two prize items are a 1885 Martini Henry and a German World War One helmet I would just like to say thank you and I'm sure there are many other people that are thinking the same thing keeping TH-cam channel after you guys rock
Really cool Liam! Feeling very proud now.
@Superdude70 my rifle has the New South Wales stamp on it and the ^d^ Mark he definitely was used during World War 1 never thought about tracking a down possibly but I would have no idea how to do that would have to ask my boss
@Superdude70 definitely agree with that could have been used with home gard but you never know all things considered it doesn't speak only if it could it would tell a great story I'm sure
I remember in my last year of College I wrote a paper about how Wilson's 14 points could be seen as the grandfather of what would eventually become the US's neoconservative foreign policy of the early 2000s
Wilson was the father of the "progressive" movement in the US. A horrible racist to.
@@jeremyheintz1479
Tell me you have no understanding of history without telling me you have no understanding of history. How did you even get to this channel?
Ahhh watching the videos as they come out week by week... Took me half a year to get here though XD
What does Indy mean at 1:20 "annulment of treaties relating to Persia" ?
Since the 16th century there have been wars and border incidents between the Ottoman Empire and Persia. I guess that the reference is to the The Treaties of Erzurum of 1823 and 1847 that defined some of the borders between the Ottoman Empire and Persia, but which apparently were only finalised in 1914. So, The Ottomans probably had the ambition to annul these treaties and probably usurp a lager piece of Persia.
Really like the maps in your video.
Still watching
Indy, is right, the focus should be here on the 14 points themselves, WE all know Wilson's shortcomings but that is not the topic of discussion. The ability to place a moral objective to such a bloody conflict demonstrates Wilson needing to both justify the declaration of war and set measurable goals as to what would determine the immediate success of the conflict.
Holy shit I’ve been watching this channel for almost 4 years?!?!?
Someday, I'll sit down and watch this whole channel. This is not that day.
Will miss this channel when it's over. Why oh why did the war have to be so short?!?
Armitage Shanks for once, I'm praying for war to continue.
Remember, WW2 is on the horizon.
there were over a dozen other wars between WW1 and WW2. they could cover those.
+richard reeves I hope they cover the Russian Civil War in it's entirety.
Are you seriously wishing there were more deaths and destruction?
Breakthrough Müller, what a strategist. Even if he did borrow many of his strategies from British and Russian artillery doctrine.
I've trying to research a great uncle's U.S. Army record and records of their battles. Shheeesh,... I think there's more information on the internet about Mars than documentation from WW1. Amazing job you guys do with the show. Any rate, more historical documents are available so I was able to confirm he was a machinegunner in the 37th Div (Ohio Nat Guard). However he departed NY harbor as a listed member of the 40th Div. Digging through documentation you begin to realize how chaotic it was trying to get the US Army put together and "trained". Reminds me of the Abbott and Costello skit "Who's on First?" What a cluster.
Hi Indy love the show
During holiday I visited a World War One museum explaining about
The war in the Alps,I found a picture of a crashed aeroplane buried in the snow.
Could it have been possible for a plane to fly in these type of temperatures?
If so how could it have flown and why?
Many thanks Amir.
Hmmmmm can anyone confirm me this? The photo on 4:06 doesn't it depict a group of Ukrainian Blue Coats militiamen? Or Graycoats?
I love this episode guys. I need to set up a Patrion asap
Thanks for covering everything so in depth. Its amazing to see how this war affected all parts of the world and not only Europe, I was wondering if you guys could do an episode on Asia and how the Great war affected the countries/territories there.
Indiana Neidell thanks, will do!
I'm going to be in a reenactment of the German Spring offensive this April!
"With Access to the sea"
And, with that, the second work war is set in motion a mere 20 years before its start.
It's a bit more complicated like that.
The Great War Well, certainly, and that's not even a major cause of it, but yknow.
Does anyone know which musical piece are being used when he talks about the germans planing their spring offensive? I can't seem to match it to their regular soundtrack...
Hi Indy and the Great War team I have been trying to find out about Albert jacka who I share my name with but I can’t seem to find much information on him other then he was a VC from world war 1 in the Australian army and his nickname was (Australian achillies) love your show since week one thank you
I would guess the Australian War Memorial will have a lot of information on him.
What was that editorial cartoon @ 9:24 ?
I don't think that I have ever really appreciated how much of an impact the first world war had on the future of the world. The fact that we still have people being "trolls" 100 years later shows how world war one did not end anything, it was just the prologue to the beginning of "modern" conflict. I know how pretencous that sounds.
Great video.
It's awesome that I get this video for my birthday😍😍😍😍😍
happy birthday
Thanks 😊
Well made !
Can I see source for Latvia`s declaration please?
Great video Indy! Just wondering if you are planning to do any videos of pre ww2 videos.?
Now that we're into 1918 in TGW and we (in 2018) know from history that the end is in sight, it'll be interesting to see the steps that lead from Wilson's 14 points to the actual armistice and the Treaty of Versailles, which levied blame on the Germans and set the stage for WW2. I'd often been taught about how Germany wasn't actually beaten but the leadership caved anyway and took the blame for the whole war (the German betrayal myth).
I'd really like to hear about what the french and british soldiers did on the Italian front.
Do one for the interwar period and WWII!!!! Please!
I can't wait for the Marine come into play! And how they got the name "demon dogs" !!
What will you do once this series closes?
This is on my birthday!
i am fearing the near end of the show as the war would break
Hey Indi, don't know if you've already covered it but did neutral nations such as Spain, Netherlands or Sweden send military observers to the frontlines?
Guglielmo Cellerai Don't know about Holland or Spain but Sweden did so on all fronts.
Some have argued that Wilson's arms control measures laid the groundwork for well-meaning nations to be unprepared for the next war, and thus encouraged aggression by those who began the next world war.
Unfortunately, no voluntary arms control measure (except, partly, for the use of biological and chemical weapons) was ever passed or enforced after WW1. If nations were unprepared, it was not because of that.
Ottoman Campaign to Caucaus by Third Ottoman Army was carefully planned (unlike Sarikamis Fiasco in 1914) and used Empire's last and best resources remained including manpower and material. By then Berlin Baghdad railway extended beyond Erzurum and Turks even gathered up some motorised vehicles along with pack animals for logistical tail to reach Caucaus and get Baku first. Enver Pasha Ottoman Minister of war even offered double pay for every officer volunteered to serve in Caucaus Front and Third Army (later dubbed Turkish Islam Army) THAT was a strategically stupid move of couse , took vital reinforcements and material away from Middle East and left Syria-Jordan-Northern Iraq defenceless against British advance.
"non-Ottoman nationalities" is a meaningless phrase that Wilson never used in the original phrasing of Point XII.
I hate my job. Should’ve been a historian.
You and me brother
merdiolu Amen!
After three years of blood and carnage...there's still eleven months, eleven days, and eleven hours, until it stops. For a while.
Are you guys going to make a special on Kaiserschlat since you guys made a special on the Schlieffen Plan?
Indiana Neidell I don't think you are the real Indy...
He is the real deal
*Kaiserschlacht
Indiana Neidell sorry I misjugde you and thanks for answering my question.
“I was seated between Jesus Christ and Napoleon.” - Lloyd George on Clemenceau and Wilson at Versailles.
hi Indy, this is for out of the trenches. I see that you have a kukri on your desk, my question is what part did the Gurkha's have to play in world war 1?
A question about the future of the channel: what happens when you reach the end of the war? Will you start talking about WW2?
Wilson!!!
Will you guys do a video on the Civil War in Russia?
SO CLOSE!
Dominican Republic was invaded by US in those years , with the excuse of a failed loan. They also annexed a schunk of Cuba, and never asked Puerto Rico about their military occupation.
No morals were involved in the 14 points either.
I know I'm late, but Austria-Hungary and Russia had their own planes, hadn't they? And if the had, how had they used them throughout the war? Were them at the same level of German and British/French ones?
Thank you for the answer
1:00 you know i had to do it to em
How many takes did it take for Indy to get the 14 points right? I'd just stutter and bumble my way through haha.
Top job. Thanks again for the great quality, this more or less appears the first thing I see whenever I go onto TH-cam after work on Thursday evenings which has been the case since 2015 :)
Can't wait for Operation Michael.
It is worth noting that many of Wilson's 'idealistic' aims were very much embedded in the practical needs of the USA, particularly his push for the 'free trade', which was basically an open grab for greater access for the US to the massive protectionist trading blocks of the UK and France.
Even breaking up the Empires of Europe was a very important move for the USA, which knew that no individual European country could match the USA's military and economy without their colonies.
This is not to say they were wrong, but I would hesitate to call them 'idealistic'.
Stop trying to dictate my caucuses!
Pretty idealistic where it suits US interests. Not so much when it doesn't.
Freedom in exchange of oil?
Operation Iraqi “Freedom”
And that, my friend, is the way of the world. South Park did a great coverage of it in their "Pussies and Dicks" segment. There is so much hypocrisy in all government, everywhere, that trying to define it in order to limit its negative effect is a labor of Hercules. Remember the layers of the onion principle: if you see a truth, it's only the next layer of the onion peeling away . . . leaving plenty more behind.
WOW you just learned what geopolitics is! welcome to the wolrd!
Ethnic self determination and all that but we’re still gonna colonize Puerto Rico and Cuba lol
It's tragic how some people in Germany received these 14 points. They thought. that if they just signed an armistice and got rid of the emperor, there would be a comfortable peace treaty with those 14 points being the "worst case" scenario for the Central Powers, so in the end, the Germans effectively surrendered unconditionally, since they thought nothing bad would happen. A sad misunderstanding.
Germany did not "surrender unconditionally" that happened in May 1945. Compiegne Armistice in November 1918 allowed German armies to evacuate occupied Belgium and Northern France intact and with their weapons back to Fatherland. (Actually German Right and Far Right made a great fanfare from that , staging great military parades in Berlin claiming new Republic president Ebert to troops "You were unbowed in the field" nonsense. That unbroken German militarism and "undefeated on field" myth caused World War 2) German Weimar Republic authority remained where it was and no one interfared German domestic affairs.
And if you are talking about Versailles Treaty well it was not worse than what Germans were planning in case they won and incorporated Belgium , Luxemburg , Northern France , Rumenia and forced Russians in Brest Litovsk by subjagating Ukranie and Baltics as puppet states into German customs union / economic zones. German militarists were planning to swallow all of Belgium if they won. In Versailles Germany lost just 12 percent of its territory (mostly conflicted areas with minorities) instead. Actually Sevres Treaty and St. Germain Treaties forced on disintegrating Ottoman and Austia Hungarian Empires were way worse. Germany got off easy at Versailles since all Europe still needed an efficiently running German coal industry in Ruhr and sympathy first German republic gathered by overthrowing Imperial Monarchy.
I know that Germany didn't surrender unconditionally, but the chaos during the revolution and the counterrevolution made the difference miniscule. This whole thing about the German army being undefeated is a delicate subject. It is obvious that the German army was about to be defeated, it was only a matter of time, but the German army wasn't YET defeated, so Ebert's statement was technically correct.
If you take the most hawkish ideas for German war goals and if you assume that they could actually negotiate a peace treaty that would fully implement this very extreme position, the result might be even worse than Versailles, but not only were those very hawkish goals not representative of the overall German position and beyond that it's impossible that the Central powers could pull off such a treaty.
You can't compare the treaties with Austria-Hungary, Brest-Litowsk and the Treaty of Versailles. The Austro-Hungarian Empire and Tsarist Russia were multinational empires, while the German Empire was a mostly homogenous nation state. Alsace-Lorraine was predominantly German (87% German in 1900!) and the land in the east that was taken from Germany had minorities, but the new borders had little respect for ethnic or lingual borders creating huge German minorities. Wherever a referendum was held in the east, the population (even the Slavic minorities) voted to stay with Germany, the only exception being small border areas in Upper Silesia. Brest-Litowsk split up an empire, but it didn't create a Russian exclave (like East Prussia was after Versailles) and there were hardly any areas with a conceivable Russian majority that Russia lost due to the treaty of Brest-Litowsk. If splitting Ukraine and the Baltic states from Russia at Brest-Litowsk seems harsh to you, then the end of the Soviet Union must be really unfair for the Russians too, right?
Will you be doing this for world war 2?
The background music is bad.
9:20 Serbia stated its war aims in Dec. 1914:
The Niš Declaration (Serbian: Нишка декларација/Niška deklaracija) was a public declaration of war objectives of the Kingdom of Serbia made on 7 December 1914 after successful offensives of the Royal Serbian Army. The government issued a statement, approved by the National Assembly, which included a call for Yugoslav unification.
Wilson "let's do borders by self-determination"
Also Wilson "give back Alsace-Lorraine despite the people there being German"
Alsatians are alsatians and were treated like shit by the germans for being part of the French nation since at least the French Revolution.
My family is from Alsace, they were expelled from their homeland in 1871 because they had been officers in the French army since the time of Napoleon.
I'm not sure Mr Wilson is ware just how many little ethnic and cultural groups there are in Europe. I mean, you can't even get Manchester and Liverpool to choose between Blue and Red without a fight! ;)
Pretty sure the Alsatians were pretty unhappy about 1871's annexion. They even made a re-education camp to beat "frenchness" out of the recalcitrant alsatians, crashed the local textile economy, treated alsatians like second class citizens forcing an exile of alsatians workers to France, and imported german industry workers there to "germanize" the lot.
Meanwhile several of Napoleon's top officers were alsatians.
Just to be sure. Which Napoleon you mean? First or third?
vlanAlf the only real Napoleon.
as indy points out the big deal with the 14 points were less what they were, but that they were. this had sunk down into a slogging match with a vague war aim of beat the other guy. suddenly someone else has put out firm ideas and since no one sels had any, you couldn't really say 'no' without looking like a jerk.
Can you make a video about Argentina as neutral nation during the first world war pls? :D
10 months to go. Which war r u covering next? Will u get to 1M subs before Nov. 11/18?