And even if Sally's actions didn't cause the patient to die, she certainly exploited the situation for financial gain. What an absolute piece of trash.
The first story reminds me of the “good pastor” a member of the church I used to belong to went to the alter for healing and told the pastor and the deacons that she had stopped taking her medication and was trusting in God for full spiritual and physical healing. He went to the Mic and said “God made sure there would be medical doctors on this earth who prescribed medication for physical and mental ailments and while we believe in the strength of prayer he advised all patrons of the church to never stop or start any medication without a doctors care. Thank God he was not like the pastor before who told a lady that her mental health anti-depressant was BLOCKING Gods will to cure her through trust in him and prayer. How awful, I’m glad he left and we got one who respected doctors
My narcissistic ex bought into the health and wealth gospel and wow he used it to control me and the kids. During the covid pandemic he told the kids that God told him he would not get covid and not for him and his wife to get the vaccine. I hate this religiosity.
Even if alkaline water does do something for cancer, why not combine it with standard medical treatment for better chances of a recovery? Really sad that the patient was taken advantage of.
As a cancer survivor in a family full of cancer survivors with a physicians as an uncle and sister, a biologist as a father and a mother who is a registered nurse, I can attest that none of them would have put me through 18 months of sheer hell (and at least 10 hospitalizations because my immune system crashed so badly because the stuff keeping me alive was literally killing me) if drinking some water could have put me into remission just like the 18 months of Chemo.
@@HannahAlonzo Hey Hannah! I'm late to the party for this video but something very similar happened to me literally 2 days ago. I was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer after a routine mammogram that I only did because i was planning on getting a breast reduction.(Get your yearly mammograms done ladies. It's worth the squishing!!) I was immediately, and I'm talking within 30 minutes, put in contact with a great team, an oncologist, endocrinologist, geneticist and others. They literally created my treatment plan with 45 minutes of me finding out. As a side note, I do get treatment at one of the biggest research hospitals in the US so I'm lucky. Either way, I digress. We decided on an aggressive approach with radiation and localized chemotherapy starting this upcoming Monday. In the meantime they wanted me to also start oral chemotherapy with a pill called Avastin. They immediately put the order in so the pills could be sent in from NIH and I walked down to the pharmacy. As I was waiting to pick up my prescription and playing Pokémon Go this lady comes and sits right next to me (cause fuck Covid protocols, right?) but I was too tired to have that conversation. She starts complimenting my hair. Girl, I gotta tell you, I looked like shit. I wasn't supposed to go anywhere that day so when the hospital called me to come in ASAP, I was scrubbing the insides of my oven after a failed roasting incident of one very unlucky ham. My hair was greasy, sweaty and literally knotted in a bun with the first tie I could found which happened to be a scrunchie my cat is in love with and has been chewing on for about a month. So it's clear to see why I gave this lady the most incredulous look... Either way, she doesn't really wait for me to answer but she launches into a whole recruiting pitch cause don't "I want to have my own business???" As a side note, this is a military base so if you are a dependent and have a pulse, you're a target. I'm usually a lot less nice about it but I didn't want to have a fight at a pharmacy while waiting for chemotherapy pills so I simply told her I'm not interested. This lady just looked at me and with a straight fucking face told me "well, even if you don't want to be a rep, it's obvious you could use our products! Our shakes could really help get rid of that extra weight and clear out your skin! Don't you want your husband to be proud of you??" and looked at me all excited and expecting. I shit you not, this is what this lady said. I was too stunned to reply. As I was trying to articulate my most polite "fuck you", i got called that my meds were ready so I got up, picked my meds and just left in a daze... I'm still speechless.
That first story broke my heart. Cancer patients are so vulnerable and are easy targets for quack treatments. Kudos for all the health specialists who keep up the good fight.
My dad died from prostate cancer. He had a few people suggest alkaline water. Thankfully, he ignored them, and went with hormone treatment that gave him a few more years. My daughter was in grade 2 when he was diagnosed, and when I told her teacher, she said maybe alkaline water would be a cure. She didn't sell it, and I know she was very young and her first year teaching...but that's not what you tell someone who's just told you a family member is terminally ill.
My doctor told me that Americans have the most expensive urine---we take these expensive vitamins and end up peeing most of them out because our bodies don't need them!
Yep! The folks that take a bunch of vitamins are just producing expensive pees. I learned all of that when I went through my fitness certification trainings.
I feel better mentally and physically when I take my multi consistently (takes a couple days to see an effect). I think I’m deficient in something but of course because it’s a multi I have no idea which it is 😂 I take a drugstore one with good ratings. I don’t bother with expensive supplements 🤷🏻♀️ maybe I need more vitamin D, iron, and the mineral micronutrients. Everything else I 100% get easily from food. But I don’t get much outside time so it’s very likely vitamin D
The story about the girl being recruited in a store to be mentored by a couple happened to me as well, almost exactly the same, down to the store. Luckily, my husband and I make a very good living and I don’t have the financial vulnerabilities these huns prey on, so when she asked me if I was interested in retiring before I was 35 I just said, “Oh, thanks! But I’m already over 35!” And I walked away.
This happened to me too, but while I was in college and over LinkedIn…..twice. I have since deleted my LinkedIn, as I only got scammy messages like that 🙃
@@TDekat97 it really sucks that they can get into those spaces that are supposed to be a resource for career opportunities, not harassment opportunities. Glad you recognized the scams for what they were! 😁
Oh god. I have a family member who has been primed for all those qanon conspiracies. And now they’re a sovereign citizen. These people are very vulnerable and definitely likely to fall for an MLM.
Oh no I’ve been busy away from TH-cam for a bit and missed you reading my story!! I’m Alexa with the Amway/crystal shoppe story. Thank you for spreading awareness, I think it’s one of the worst ones. It was so personal and really heartbreaking when I found out my “friend” didn’t actually care about me :(
Ack, uncooked chicken is one of my fears! When I was pregnant with my first baby, I went to Chick-fil-A and got nuggets. I bit into one, and it was raw on the inside. For the rest of that pregnancy, I felt nauseated every time I was around chicken or could smell it. I couldn't eat chicken for a few years after that and went even longer not being able to cook it myself. The dangers these MLMs spread! Microwaved meat could put some people in the hospital. And my heart was completely crushed hearing the first MLM nightmare. What is wrong with people?!
I got salmonella typhii (basically Typhoid Mary) and I got the chicken from Boston Market. I was literally sicker than I have EVER been in my life! I lost 15 pounds, (which at 5’9 and 128 pounds before is a LOT. I looked like a cancer patient). And my digestive tract was so messed up once I healed, that I had to eat BABY FOOD for a MONTH. Just thinking about cooking raw chicken in the microwave gives me PTSD lol.
Microwaves can cook meat safely. It just has to be done on the right power and time and checked with a meat thermometer to be sure it's done. Meat can be undercooked in ovens and on stovetops, too, if people don't do it right. Microwaves ar eno more dangerous than any other cooking method.
yep, absolutely terrified of raw chicken- if my chicken looks or tastes just a tiny bit off, i refuse to eat it. idc if gordon ramsey himself makes it! i could *never* eat microwaved chicken, even if said microwave is powerful enough to cook raw meat
The Amway story got to me. There is plenty of hunbots and just regular ppl lurking around, looking for people when they are down, and take advantage of them in one way or another. Sociopaths! Sending a big hug to Alexa 💜
I’m late to catching this video, but I’m Alexa! Thank you for sending hugs. I’m so glad I wasn’t taken advantage of, but in that time I really needed a friend, and it felt really awful that she didn’t actually care about me.
@@Alexacake19 As a former Amway Hon that tried recruiting people in department stores, my most sincere apologies for what you went through. I was young, dumb and desperately looking for any alternatives to the restaurant job causing my chronic pain to become unbearable. My own situation was no excuse to harass innocent strangers. Glad I found the AntiMLM movement and I’m glad you didn’t fall for that garbage! 🥰
What I don't understand is that after all of this, if you get in the business and later they tell you how to prey on other people, I would guess that you understand what they did to you, so why would you stay with them ? :/ I'm curious to understand the thought process that keep someone to do the same things after realizing...
Thanks for sharing my story Hannah! ... about microwaving meat, I had a health teacher in high school tell us microwaving ground beef was the only safe way to cook it 🤣 I felt guilty frying on the stove top for the longest time lol
I am in Canada as well and Epicure Huns are always present at craft fairs, Christmas craft shows, farmers markets, etc. The products have never really interested me as they are truly expensive. But a little bit about no salt products. There are a ton of people (my parents and myself included) who seek out products low or sodium free because we have high blood pressure and sodium can raise it to unsafe levels. That is not to say that I avoid salt like I am supposed to, but it can be harmful. So yes, there is a market for low sodium flavour packages.
My friend just had a "party." I think they are very expensive too. I keep thinking that they are similar to the McCormick spice pouches you find in the grocery store. I am just not interested.
@@rachaelsimmons7881 Yeah most are! There are some more Mediterranean/eastern spice mixes that are not that far off in price (in terms of buying the actual spices in the mixes) but the more basic mixes and broths can 100% be found cheaper at the grocery stores.
@@PenguinTuxJunction Bulk Barn, the Barbecue Bible, and I make my own. They are cheaper, fresher, taste better, and I put half the salt suggested because ready mixes are wayyyyy too salty.
To anyone who sees Vector/CutCo using a rental space at an outlet mall or anything like that, please try to find the sign that's usually posted in the front windows by the person leasing out the space to them. If you can find their number or email address, contact them to let them know that Whoever's Name Here who is renting their space on Whatever Date(s) Here is using the space to pitch their MLM. Typically this is a violation of the terms of their rental agreement and they'll get removed for it. They know they're not supposed to do it, and they will conveniently leave that information out of their side of the agreement. 🙄 even if you aren't a part of the pitch, if you see it happening from the outside and are pretty sure of what you're witnessing, it's good to let them know. 👍🏼 Also..... on a totally separate note... I've ALWAYS wondered. Is it pronounced "Jam Berry" or is it supposed to be pronounced like Jamboree?? 🤔
I actually wondered about how they got away with renting spaces out like that. I unfortunately got pitched in 2013, but thankfully realized what it was and didn't get involved. Good information.
Former Amway IBO here! For your 3rd story, that is a very common tactic that was used while I was in, especially for newer recruits. To meet people and talk about your "mentors" (usually a platinum or above couple) and how they helped you and are willing to help a few more people be successful in this business opportunity. And usually once it got to business talk you would hand your prospects over to them and they would do meetings for you since "you didn't know how to show the plan yet" aka manipulate people. Until they could trust you to manipulate people yourself, you weren't even allowed to show the plan yourself unless it was a last resort kind of thing. I'm kinda tempted to make Amway videos or something cause I feel like a lot of what they do is different from modern MLM's.
Oh man. I related to your frustrations on citing sources and trying to help only to be called a liar. I almost died of covid (vaccines weren't available for my age group yet) and people would still tell me I was exaggerating, lying or just a sheep.
I have fibromyalgia. I'm 35. It's a 'moderate' case, but still is so bad sometimes that I feel like my body is dying. Aside from being told I have it because I, and I quote, "pray wrong" (seriously? God can not be that petty), but I have relatives who refuse to hear me when I tell them it's incurable and can only be pain managed. They keep sending me garbage recipes for 'cures' or 'detoxes' 🙄
Those Thrive/LeVel huns were a plague in fibro support groups for a while with the cure claims. Sure, anything with that much caffeine will give you new energy....
The Amway story, the "learning their WHY" sounds so similar to Scientology and their "finding your ruin" at the beginning. Cults are all the same, they just use different words.
My mum had cancer last year and joined a fb group for women with breast cancer. A monat rep would constantly post and comment about the products claiming that it would help with hair growth post chemo. I was furious when she showed me due to the lawsuits about their products causing balding, I could not believe someone would target woman who were already suffering and were just trying to feel like themselves again
This reminds me of the Superstore scene where Amy microwaves chicken and it looks like death, but her vegan friend, Dina, feels so badly for her that she tries it. She also got very ill haha
I am a breast cancer survivor. I developed my cancer young, and thankfully (sort of) because my Mom and my Aunt (Mom’s sister) as well as several of their cousins we caught it early, because I was able to start my mammograms early. I was Stage I (T1N0M0), and both hormone receptor positive and Her2 Positive. The Her2+ meant my cancer was growing very rapidly, so we opted for a double mastectomy, 18 months of IV chemo, followed by 10 years of oral chemo, and monthly shots of injectable medication to suppress my hormones. So we’re throwing lots and lots of stuff at this. I cannot tell you how many Huns asked me why I wasn’t opting for a wasn’t doing something more “natural,” and then mention their MLM product. I even had an Monat Rep say that their products could make my hair stay in while I was going thru chemo (my sister is a physician and I brushed my mom’s hair as it fell out). A lot of these women were older than me, and I don’t like to speak rudely to my elders so I would just say something like “well, a lot of my chemo drugs are actually naturally derived.” But I finally had it when someone selling the pink drink literally insisted that I drink their pink drink in front of her, denying that it had any sort of non-nutritive sweetener (they make me super sick and you can see where this is going when you add it to chemo sick you may want to stop reading here) next thing you no, I am projectile vomiting into my office waste basket while my actual friend runs in and holds my wig back. (I would work as much as I could and always wore an expensive natural hair wig because I was felt embarrassed about the whole bald situation. I have had some not so bad situations with MLM sellers. A friend who sold Lu La Roe gave me some loose fitting dresses free for when I had my drains in so I would be comfortable, but it was shortly before she left the company. I also remember that during the Christmases I had to have infusions, a man in a Santa suit would come in (with a reindeer and clown. Don’t know why the clown.) With goody bags. They were really nice. They had really cute stuffed animals, makeup from Lancôme (they were left over makeup bags that corporate probably allowed a store to donate to my cancer center.), some healthy snacks, and a bunch of Rodan and Fields. There was no card to get in touch and no strings attached to the Rodan and fields, and the cream was pretty good. So that was pretty nice of the R&F rep, because it’s literally at least hundreds of patients. Stay healthy, happy, joyful and blessed everyone!
At this point, I click on the thumb up as soon as I come to a video. And judging by the 13.1K followers, I'm sure a lot of people are pretty confident about your quality content. Ok. Will watch this now :)
I have MS, and have had people tell me random “cures”, and even see many other ms warriors on various online forums explain that they’re stopping their treatment to try {insert various essential oils/diets/other snake oil treatments here}. It’s depressing to see. Modern medicine has come a long way, and the medical treatments for MS now are far more advanced than they used to be even 10 years ago. The treatment I’m on is intense, but has shown to stop progression in 75% of patients for at least 5 years…and in my opinion, anything that might slow the progression of this disease is worth trying. I believe in alternative therapies that can compliment the medical treatment recommended by your doctor, but to tell desperate people they can be cured by something you benefit from financially is beyond disgusting. It’s inhumane.
I’m so sorry. My mom has MS/Lyme disease and has tried literally every alternative treatment. It’s such a waste of money and time and hope and I have pure hatred for people who exploit the chronically ill to make money. Ugh.
Your videos are great, as always. It's sad to hear that you've also encountered the "you can't change my mind" mentality that some huns have. Past a certain point, I think it's too *expensive* for them to change their mind. Expensive in the sense that they would then have to tell their entire downline that they've been promoting something predatory. They'd have to accept themselves that they could've been making the world a worst place. For many, that is too great of a cost. It's easier to just keep selling the dream and telling the "haters" to "work harder".
Haven't even started the video, must say false claims, fake/alternative med/objects, sympathy cancer stories... BLOOD BOILS! My Mom had stage 4 Ovarian Cancer, 2003, she was a Survivor! We lost her in 2018.
@@Deangirl86 Cancer patients receive a lot of medication that's tightly controlled. If there's not internal security cameras because of that, I'd be extremely surprised.
Yeah, Epicure is HUGE in Canada and I'll be honest, their spices are actually pretty good (the ones I've tried at least). I don't but from them obviously but I've been gifted them more than once.
I agree! I bought them once (to support a friend who wasn't a representative but she was having a ''party'' for a relative) and I liked them a lot! There aren't very expensive either. I even considered contacting the rep and buying more, but since I'm anti MLM, I didn't. Also, less sodium isn't ''taking the joy out of food''. Most people really need to eat less sodium for health reasons. Sodium can be added separately as well, you don't need it in every single spice you buy and use.
I have a fear of undercooked chicken, especially since my husband regularly gives himself food poisoning from undercooking chicken on the grill (I never eat it) I don't think I could be paid enough money to eat chicken microwaved from raw
LOL I'm the opposite of your husband, I'm so paranoid about undercooked chicken I cook the sh*t out of it. Then I hover over my wife asking if the chicken is OK and cooked enough.
@@sowhatchajen2846 exactly, check the thickest part of the chicken, and when you get 165°F you are safe. This is coming from my knowledge from being a food service manager, and food safety instructor for ServSafe.
Salt: It’s useful to have salt free spice blends because you can always add salt but you can’t remove it so there’s a limit to how much flavour you can add. People who have high blood pressure or heart failure have to limit their consumption of salt because it increases blood volume and as such raises blood pressure. Sodium free salt doesn’t do it because it’s potassium chloride instead of sodium chloride, but tastes a bit different than normal salt. Microwaved chicken: Use a thermometer in the thickest part of the meat and a couple other points. It won’t make it taste any better (aside from possibly reducing the cooking time so it won’t get as dry), but you can make sure it hit the right temp. Cutting it into one inch or two centimetre pieces can make it cook more evenly and quickly, but it’s a bit easier to overcook. Microwaves being healthier: You can cook things faster which reduces the amount of vitamins lost to cooking. Using it to “steam” veggies instead of steaming on the stove prevents the vitamins from leaching into the cooking water, and the shortened cooking time can reduce the amount lost to heat
OMG I almost got suckered into Cutco for about a month. It was even I first moved to the city and I hadn't even heard of MLMs. Boy did I ever dodge a bullet
Ugh I remember going to a Vector/Cutco "interview" about 25 years ago I think, I was a college student at the time in my early 20's- they had their usual deceptive "help wanted- no experience, $14 per appointment!" ads plastered all over the school campus and in the local newspaper. Their tactics haven't changed much, apparently. I didn't know what MLMs were then but I've always been a socially anxious introvert, so the "job" (when they finally got around to telling us about it) sounded like my personal idea of hell, lol! I went and sat through that entire terrible "interview" but I never bought anything and never went back. All the cliches were there- group of 8-10 twenty somethings in an office type building, in a conference room, lots of talk about how the opportunity would change our lives, demonstration of the knives, several hours-long presentation, etc. I remember thinking even then that even if I wasn't an introvert, even if I could sell knives to that many people, I would never be able to sell enough, for a long enough time, to actually make a livable income. And I didn't know a lot of people either except family, and we didn't have lots of money to spend on stupid things like special knives when the cheap ones they already had worked just fine!
I am so paranoid about raw poultry (all meats, but especially poultry) that not only do I bleach or use bleach cleansers on every surface after doing anything with it, not only do I wash my hands twice after touching it, etc., but for years my Thanksgiving turkey was rinsed inside and out with a mild bleach solution before (rinse rinse rinsing) and cooking. Note: I used the water/bleach ratio recommended for drinking and/or cooking water during and after power outages from hurricanes. So it’s a “safe for consumption” mixture, and again was rinsed VERY thoroughly, but still powerful enough to kill bacteria and germs. (I started buying free-range and/or organic turkeys and other poultry, so I don’t have to be quite that paranoid anymore, but I am still super anal about cleaning and food safety, especially with poultry. People laugh at me, too, for taking the temp of every single piece of chicken, in multiple spots, when I make fried or sautéed chicken, or for washing my hands before touching food if I so much as open a cabinet, but I’ve been cooking dinner for my family almost every night for over 20 years, and we have never had any illnesses or anything else from unsafe or ill-prepared food.)
My mum is part of the Kagen water thing. I've mostly taken the approach "don't attack her about the mlm" as it'll probably just push her deeper. But to know someone in her MLM did this to a cancer patient is definitely going to be in the back of my mind every time she wants me to check her English for what I know is a post for her business.
Binging through the playlist, and I'm starting to feel like I have a built in MLM protection due to my extreme introvertism. 😅 So many of these stories start like; "I met a nice stranger and we ended up talking for hours". Would never happen to me. 😂
The first story reminded me of a story here in Colorado. Not an MLM, but a man was running a "Holistic Medicine" office. He wasn't a doctor, he wasn't certified in anything. He was pumping out people's blood and running it through UV lights before pumping it back in. He was also, "prescribing" supplements. He had 3 patients die under his, "care" and was sent to prison for 13 years.
Omg this microwave chicken story!!!!! Reminds me of an old roommate I had. She had company over one night and she was cooking a whole chicken. She INSISTED it could be cooked in 1 hour. I tried to tell her a whole chicken takes longer. She was so stubborn and when it came out RAW she kept microwaving it to try to get it DONE for her company. Not only that- but was barely seasoned. It was greyish/white. I was SO happy that I had already made other plans for dinner. And my bf (now hubby) at the time and I were making Korean short ribs on our smokey Joe in the backyard. I felt so bad for her company and to make it worse they could smell our food. We really only bought a small package from Trader Joe's so not enough to share. Nothing to do with MLM but her and her mom ran a business together and they made a lot of outlandish claims that they could cure cancer with colloidal silver, reverse osmosis water, and essential oils.
Thanks for putting the story about the microwaved chicken directly after that tragic cancer story. I needed a good laugh. I just wonder how many others at that party had a bad case of the runs the next day 🤣
Thanks Hannah, I have one MLM experience but I never went through with it and after hearing all the horrors stories I feel lucky. I'm always sceptical and the idea of selling to strangers leaves me cold.
OMGG i remember one of my friends from college telling me he worked at cutco and i was like wtf is that? and it was all very vague and weird and he was like i’m gonna be making big money and i was like okay….???? and then he bragged about his first few checks and suddenly stopped and we never heard about it again
Lmao it's cause in the pitch they fill your head with that BS. It's super predatory, especially when it comes to college students. I went to one in Austin, TX in 2013 and I was 19, it was weird and my stepmother thought so too. They seriously tell you you'll make $50k- $100k a year depending on the amount of work you put in, which those amounts are a huge deal for a college kid. It's just gross.
If I was approached in a store and the MLMer did not accept "NO", I would then be extremely loud and obnoxious with "I will not be associated with your MLM!"
Glad to find this channel. I've had many experiences with MLMs and might send them in if I have time one day. Keep up the good work. I try to use my experiences to dissuade friends from getting sucked in like I was once.
when you said fear of eating undercooked meat affects your daily life I felt that so hard. As i’ve gotten older it’s honestly gotten very hard for me to eat meat.
I can totally relate to the CutCo story. A couple of people I went to high school with that I knew moderately well had been suckered into joining, didn't know much about it until I get some random text messages one day saying that I would be a great fit based on what my friends had said about me, and sent me a link to apply. I was wary to click on the link, but those same people mentioned to me that they'd dropped my name a few times. At the time I absolutely hated my retail job (who doesn't), and thought I might as well apply. The application process from what I remember was super weird and vague (I don't even think they'd asked me for my resume) and eventually pushed me through to an automated text system to sign up for my interview spot, which was also weird since any of the jobs I'd applied for always took a few days at least to even offer me an interview. At this point I was getting weird vibes but I'd already made my appointment for a Saturday at some weird time. Later, when I looked up the details, I found the location they wanted me to go to was about a 30-45 minute drive from where I lived (and not to mention, also looked sketchy). I ended up not even going to the "interview" and was glad I didn't, didn't even bother cancelling. Later, I come to find out a little more about what my friends were doing, and was even MORE glad I didn't bother going! I've never had a ton of friends or been great at "selling", so the whole idea of holding "appointments" was mortifying. They all eventually ended up leaving shortly after. I find it so weird that CutCo/Vector Marketing in particular makes an effort to suck in high-school aged kids, probably because it's easier to get them young before they have any idea that MLM schemes are way too good to be true. What teenager wouldn't want to make quick cash?
Oh gosh, I had a friend I hadn't seen for a long time invite me out for lunch and then use the exact pitch from story 3. The "successful couple", the "we'll have to see if they can squeeze you in". I turned them down, not because I realized it was a scam but because it just sounded like too much work to be able to get ready at a moments notice when they "found time for me". I guess laziness saved me?
I am as anti-mlm as anyone else here, but I just had to come admit that I cook with epicure spices every day. Some of them are soo good 😭 my mom has bought them for as long as I can remember, but she has NO idea what an MLM is 🤣 I remember the day I found out about 4 months ago when I was visiting home. I was like holy shit, everything really IS an MLM 🤦🏼♀️ I still feel like I’m committing a crime by using them 🥴
I know!! I feel the same way. Epicure is so good. My mom is an insanely good cook and she uses the odd epicure product. My mom's roasted vegetables are so delicious and I'm always asking what she does and it's a shake of a few random epicure spices like rosemary and garlic etc. Anyway I also feel bad using them but I'm also so excited when my mom gifts me some haha #conflicted
You know, the vitamin one reminded me of this one toxic chick I ran into in a very toxic women's group that was selling vitamins and promoting "be your own boss by selling these!" A little more snooping and it appears that she was a realtor. Like... at least I wasn't selling shady expensive supplements that make false promises.
That first story is a total gut punch. This is not on the same level, but my mom was taken advantage of by my half sister who was selling something called MonaVie (a now defunct mlm) that was basically super expensive bottles acai juice, I think. My half sister basically sold it to my mom as a cure all that would help with her chronic back pain. It of course never helped, and my mom bought a whole bunch of bottles before she finally stopped (not sure what the reason), but it was so expensive, she would only drink a small shot glass once a day, hoping it would help her. I think they were about $40 for a wine bottle of juice, and this was back in the mid 2000's. I often think back on that and how my half sister, a generally wretched person (and I don't say that lightly, she has completely taken advantage of me after my mom died), took advantage of my mom. She's still a hun, trying to push DoTerra products on my dad who has had a stroke. We don't buy anything, but she's convinced that they basically have kept him alive. Not the hospice or our live in nurse who is amazing, or the fact that my dad is a total fighter and survivor - no, it's the stupid oils and oily products. I went on a tangent. It's not at all on the same level as what happened to the poor cancer patient, but I'm still angry over what happened to me mom, I can't imagine the anger towards that water hun the op must have.
I used to do Amway and they have a six or seven step process before becoming a “business owner.” They tell you what to say, how to approach (always compliment others), how to dress, and even how to think! It was too much and a cult! Hearing that story I knew it was Amway.
My first MLM experience (aside from attending Avon, Mary Kay, and Pampered Chef parties) was very similar to the Cutco story. Luckily, after accepting the job at the interview onsite, my family convinced me to find a job that I can go to everyday and get paid by the hour. I called the “employer” back and told him I decided to turn down the offer. However, that didn’t stop two follow-up phone calls asking me to come in and complete my HR paperwork.
We mainly use Mrs Dash or the McCormick salt free seasoning in our house. My dad had heart surgery due to a genetic condition, so we don't keep it in the house. No over priced mlm products, but there are a lot more options now.
That Happy Co MLM got my aunt, literally the most toxic person I've ever met, completely sucked in. I've thought about sending my story for a while. She would pretend to suddenly be this joyous person on her facebook and instagram but still talk trash about her family and even her own kids to her coworkers at Walmart. These products have so much caffeine I had heart palpitations from one cup of their coffee. There's so much more I could tell lol
I was a manager at a store and a high school girl that worked part time for us, her mom had cancer and was “treating” it with essential oils, almost guaranteed to be from an mlm… one day she was saying “no one believed her but she’s in total remission” and soon after, she passed away. I can’t even imagine…
Former “Amway” victim here. Yes, that tactic was definitely not encouraged by Amway at all, since they are just product. It is the tactic of the “leadership developer” team using Amway as a tool to recruit. The one I was involved in used this “successful couple” tactic, since it’s not only gives the appearance of having accessibility to a “guru,” but also helps people with low social skills build a team by having their up line do the work for them. Oop
My sister in law has been in multiple mlms. My mom has supported her. We ended up with some real garbage over the years. We got a egg microwave cooker. It was slower, more complicated, harder to clean, messier then cooking eggs in a pan.
Didn't know epicure was an MLM!! A past roommate brought home a bunch of seasoning packs one day but I didn't think anything of it cause they were in culinary school. Left them when they moved out haha
23:00 some do need 3-400% DV of folate like us with Spina bifida when we are of a childbearing age because we need more folate to prevent our kids from also getting Spina bifida or other brain/spine issues
Holy crap. I am sitting here imagining if that cancer patient were my own mother or grandmother, knowing that she was (allegedly) led astray by a medical professional she should have been able to trust. I’m so mad it’s got me crying on a Thursday morning. These wellness based MLMs are the epitome of disgusting to me.
Just saw an epicure rep at a craft show last weekend! I assumed it was a local business and was going to check it out but didn't end up having time. Glad I skipped it!!!
My brain sort of short circuited on the last story. I’m also a personal trainer, and a friend of mine approached me about Optavia. For a moment I was genuinely trying to remember if I’d submitted a story while sleep deprived and forgotten.
Sodium is a huge problem for a lot of medical issues. I had to go almost completely sodium-free when I had multiorgan failure and was trying to recover well enough to survive a transplant, so it was for *years.* My life was fresh fruit and veggies and soy products for *years.* I ate way too much sodium beforehand, and ever since I went cold turkey on seasonings for forever and was then released from my sodium-free diet after my recovery I'm no longer over-salting everything I put in my mouth, and my blood pressure and general hydration definitely is helping me feel healthier in general. I actually use those sodium-free seasonings, and they're not that bad, but I will absolutely always use a little bit of salt in my more complex foods.
I’m a breast cancer patient. The nonsense people feel comfortable pitching to me is mind boggling. I especially love the girl from my high school who only has a high school diploma who is constantly messaging me about alkaline water and Juice Plus…. 🙄🙄🙄
Heck no lol yall need to get one of those thermometers that u stick in the meat to see how hot it is in the middle. If it isnt as hot as they say chicken should get to cook all the way then dont eat it or cook it longer. Very handy thing to have
I had a girl approach me in Target. She complimented my shoes and we started chatting. Somehow I mentioned that I was new to the area. She seemed nice and said maybe we could hangout sometime so I gave her my number. Few days later she called and started telling me about some mentoring group she was in and how her mentor was this amazing person who retired super early or something. I don’t know what MLM this was gearing up for because as soon as the mentor talk started I realized this person wasn’t actually looking to be my friend and I shut it down. Still really bummed someone pretending to be a potential friend in order to try and recruit me for whatever bs MLM they were in.
That poor cancer patient! Reminds me of when my grandma was into Amway and they had some sort of aloe Vera drink. One of my cousins had leukemia and was getting treatment for it- mid 1970’s- so probably harsher than now. He survived but was left with constant intestinal issues. Grandma always told me that if his parents had given him the aloe drink he wouldn’t have been having the issues. She was pretty narcissistic and toxic.
Devils Advocate, here. If you use a lot of premade sauces, seasoning, or ready to eat options, cutting back on salt might be a great starting point. I tracked my foods for a while and found out I was WAY over on sodium. Cutting back by half actually made everything taste better after a few days to adjust and helped my chronic headaches.
May I reccomend garlic powder, and/or mrs. Dash if you have to be on a low sodium diet for whatever reason or just want to cut down on salt, it will replace the salt well as well as add good flavor to basically anything you would normally use salt on
there was a study done once where two test groups got the exact same amount of the exact same food, but one group had to eat all the meals after they were put through a blender. And the test group who had the nice appetising meals ended up digesting and absorbing more of the good healthy parts of the food, like vitamins etc. The blender group was basically forcing themselves to eat food they found disgusting, and even tho it was the exact same food, they didn't get the same benefits from it. All this to say: if you think you're being healthier by forcing yourself to eat stuff that grosses you out, chances are it's not helping you
A "friend" of mine started OPTavia and was trying to force me to sign up for it, and got overly aggressive with me and even tried to manipulate my husband into spending the nearly $500 for a box of premade crap that isn't even really all that healthy for you and all it does is literally starve your body and cause you to lose way too much weight way too fast which can be very unhealthy for you. When I finally got it through to her that I wasn't going to become a downline for her she started to manipulate anyone and everyone around me (including my now husband) into treating me like dirt and almost caused my husband and I to not even get married! She went as far as to spread lies to the pastor of our church (and our officiant) about me and try to get him to not officiate for us and tell my husband I didn't deserve him and that he should leave me. ALL BECAUSE I WASN'T WILLING TO GO BANKRUPT FOR A BOX OF FOOD!!! Yes I needed to lose weight but I was not about to through HALF of a paycheck a month towards a box of prepackaged food that didn't look all that appetizing anyways and always turned my stomach when I was around her and she was eating it.
My grandfather sold cut co knives when he was in college he said it was the worst job he ever had. later on my mother sold Marry Kay and still had product she continued to use year later 🤢 I almost got tricked into Doterra but I didn't buy anything because I didn't understand why I had to buy though a rep even when buying off the website
And even if Sally's actions didn't cause the patient to die, she certainly exploited the situation for financial gain. What an absolute piece of trash.
And you know she knew she was doing wrong if she kept it hush hush.
It’s financial abuse of an elder. Depending on the state, it’s a criminal act.
Sally should be arrested
I am so full of rage at that. I feel sorry for Sally's 17 kids, who are fed nonsense on the daily...
The first story reminds me of the “good pastor” a member of the church I used to belong to went to the alter for healing and told the pastor and the deacons that she had stopped taking her medication and was trusting in God for full spiritual and physical healing. He went to the Mic and said “God made sure there would be medical doctors on this earth who prescribed medication for physical and mental ailments and while we believe in the strength of prayer he advised all patrons of the church to never stop or start any medication without a doctors care. Thank God he was not like the pastor before who told a lady that her mental health anti-depressant was BLOCKING Gods will to cure her through trust in him and prayer. How awful, I’m glad he left and we got one who respected doctors
My narcissistic ex bought into the health and wealth gospel and wow he used it to control me and the kids. During the covid pandemic he told the kids that God told him he would not get covid and not for him and his wife to get the vaccine. I hate this religiosity.
That's a good pastor! There is nothing wrong with doubling up and doing meds and praying.
Even if alkaline water does do something for cancer, why not combine it with standard medical treatment for better chances of a recovery? Really sad that the patient was taken advantage of.
Yes this is such a good point! Why does it have to be a "one or the other" type situation? So so heartbreaking.
That story is absolutely heartbreaking.
As a cancer survivor in a family full of cancer survivors with a physicians as an uncle and sister, a biologist as a father and a mother who is a registered nurse, I can attest that none of them would have put me through 18 months of sheer hell (and at least 10 hospitalizations because my immune system crashed so badly because the stuff keeping me alive was literally killing me) if drinking some water could have put me into remission just like the 18 months of Chemo.
Exactly!!!
@@HannahAlonzo Hey Hannah! I'm late to the party for this video but something very similar happened to me literally 2 days ago. I was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer after a routine mammogram that I only did because i was planning on getting a breast reduction.(Get your yearly mammograms done ladies. It's worth the squishing!!) I was immediately, and I'm talking within 30 minutes, put in contact with a great team, an oncologist, endocrinologist, geneticist and others. They literally created my treatment plan with 45 minutes of me finding out. As a side note, I do get treatment at one of the biggest research hospitals in the US so I'm lucky. Either way, I digress. We decided on an aggressive approach with radiation and localized chemotherapy starting this upcoming Monday. In the meantime they wanted me to also start oral chemotherapy with a pill called Avastin. They immediately put the order in so the pills could be sent in from NIH and I walked down to the pharmacy. As I was waiting to pick up my prescription and playing Pokémon Go this lady comes and sits right next to me (cause fuck Covid protocols, right?) but I was too tired to have that conversation. She starts complimenting my hair. Girl, I gotta tell you, I looked like shit. I wasn't supposed to go anywhere that day so when the hospital called me to come in ASAP, I was scrubbing the insides of my oven after a failed roasting incident of one very unlucky ham. My hair was greasy, sweaty and literally knotted in a bun with the first tie I could found which happened to be a scrunchie my cat is in love with and has been chewing on for about a month. So it's clear to see why I gave this lady the most incredulous look... Either way, she doesn't really wait for me to answer but she launches into a whole recruiting pitch cause don't "I want to have my own business???" As a side note, this is a military base so if you are a dependent and have a pulse, you're a target. I'm usually a lot less nice about it but I didn't want to have a fight at a pharmacy while waiting for chemotherapy pills so I simply told her I'm not interested. This lady just looked at me and with a straight fucking face told me "well, even if you don't want to be a rep, it's obvious you could use our products! Our shakes could really help get rid of that extra weight and clear out your skin! Don't you want your husband to be proud of you??" and looked at me all excited and expecting. I shit you not, this is what this lady said. I was too stunned to reply. As I was trying to articulate my most polite "fuck you", i got called that my meds were ready so I got up, picked my meds and just left in a daze... I'm still speechless.
That first story broke my heart. Cancer patients are so vulnerable and are easy targets for quack treatments. Kudos for all the health specialists who keep up the good fight.
My dad died from prostate cancer. He had a few people suggest alkaline water. Thankfully, he ignored them, and went with hormone treatment that gave him a few more years. My daughter was in grade 2 when he was diagnosed, and when I told her teacher, she said maybe alkaline water would be a cure. She didn't sell it, and I know she was very young and her first year teaching...but that's not what you tell someone who's just told you a family member is terminally ill.
@@beckiehubley5798 I’m so sorry about your Dad. Good for him that he ignored them.
@@beckiehubley5798 didxxxxxuch
The moment you read that a girl in a supermarket mentioned "a successful couple", i instantly knew it had to be Amway. So proud of myself.
My doctor told me that Americans have the most expensive urine---we take these expensive vitamins and end up peeing most of them out because our bodies don't need them!
@I'm So Tired Why paper? Did you just crave it one day and it made you feel better? I’m curious now.
Yep! The folks that take a bunch of vitamins are just producing expensive pees. I learned all of that when I went through my fitness certification trainings.
In the 90s, American voted for the FDA to have less control over vitamins and supplements. We can all thank Mr Clinton for that.
I feel better mentally and physically when I take my multi consistently (takes a couple days to see an effect). I think I’m deficient in something but of course because it’s a multi I have no idea which it is 😂 I take a drugstore one with good ratings. I don’t bother with expensive supplements 🤷🏻♀️ maybe I need more vitamin D, iron, and the mineral micronutrients. Everything else I 100% get easily from food. But I don’t get much outside time so it’s very likely vitamin D
It's amazing how our kidneys can "detox" us from overloading with "supplements" 🤣
The story about the girl being recruited in a store to be mentored by a couple happened to me as well, almost exactly the same, down to the store. Luckily, my husband and I make a very good living and I don’t have the financial vulnerabilities these huns prey on, so when she asked me if I was interested in retiring before I was 35 I just said, “Oh, thanks! But I’m already over 35!” And I walked away.
This happened to me too, but while I was in college and over LinkedIn…..twice. I have since deleted my LinkedIn, as I only got scammy messages like that 🙃
@@TDekat97 it really sucks that they can get into those spaces that are supposed to be a resource for career opportunities, not harassment opportunities. Glad you recognized the scams for what they were! 😁
Oh god. I have a family member who has been primed for all those qanon conspiracies. And now they’re a sovereign citizen. These people are very vulnerable and definitely likely to fall for an MLM.
Oh no I’ve been busy away from TH-cam for a bit and missed you reading my story!! I’m Alexa with the Amway/crystal shoppe story. Thank you for spreading awareness, I think it’s one of the worst ones. It was so personal and really heartbreaking when I found out my “friend” didn’t actually care about me :(
I’m so sorry that happened to you. Remember, there was and is nothing wrong with YOU; THEY are the ones with the issue.
So they were lying about the understanding with the store manager?
You said you never "fully" joined an MLM. So you partially joined one?
Ack, uncooked chicken is one of my fears! When I was pregnant with my first baby, I went to Chick-fil-A and got nuggets. I bit into one, and it was raw on the inside. For the rest of that pregnancy, I felt nauseated every time I was around chicken or could smell it. I couldn't eat chicken for a few years after that and went even longer not being able to cook it myself. The dangers these MLMs spread! Microwaved meat could put some people in the hospital.
And my heart was completely crushed hearing the first MLM nightmare. What is wrong with people?!
I got salmonella typhii (basically Typhoid Mary) and I got the chicken from Boston Market. I was literally sicker than I have EVER been in my life! I lost 15 pounds, (which at 5’9 and 128 pounds before is a LOT. I looked like a cancer patient). And my digestive tract was so messed up once I healed, that I had to eat BABY FOOD for a MONTH. Just thinking about cooking raw chicken in the microwave gives me PTSD lol.
Internal temp must be at least 160 F!! And different areas of the meat need to be checked not just one!
Every time I’m pregnant I detest meat. Maybe my body is protecting me :)
Microwaves can cook meat safely. It just has to be done on the right power and time and checked with a meat thermometer to be sure it's done. Meat can be undercooked in ovens and on stovetops, too, if people don't do it right. Microwaves ar eno more dangerous than any other cooking method.
yep, absolutely terrified of raw chicken- if my chicken looks or tastes just a tiny bit off, i refuse to eat it. idc if gordon ramsey himself makes it! i could *never* eat microwaved chicken, even if said microwave is powerful enough to cook raw meat
The Amway story got to me. There is plenty of hunbots and just regular ppl lurking around, looking for people when they are down, and take advantage of them in one way or another. Sociopaths! Sending a big hug to Alexa 💜
I’m late to catching this video, but I’m Alexa! Thank you for sending hugs. I’m so glad I wasn’t taken advantage of, but in that time I really needed a friend, and it felt really awful that she didn’t actually care about me.
@@Alexacake19 As a former Amway Hon that tried recruiting people in department stores, my most sincere apologies for what you went through. I was young, dumb and desperately looking for any alternatives to the restaurant job causing my chronic pain to become unbearable. My own situation was no excuse to harass innocent strangers. Glad I found the AntiMLM movement and I’m glad you didn’t fall for that garbage! 🥰
What I don't understand is that after all of this, if you get in the business and later they tell you how to prey on other people, I would guess that you understand what they did to you, so why would you stay with them ? :/
I'm curious to understand the thought process that keep someone to do the same things after realizing...
You read my story! Eeeek! I feel you so much on providing concrete facts and evidence and the total dismissal of it. It's baffling!
Thank you so much for allowing me to read your story Eva!!
@@HannahAlonzo Of course! I'm happy I could contribute.
Thanks for sharing my story Hannah! ... about microwaving meat, I had a health teacher in high school tell us microwaving ground beef was the only safe way to cook it 🤣 I felt guilty frying on the stove top for the longest time lol
You poor thing!!
I imagine they were brought up in the golden age of the microwave
Where the heck did they find this person...?
@@victoriashevlin8587 she came with the building
Thank YOU for sending your story in Lisa! It was truly appalling.... And I am equally as appalled by the idea of microwaved ground beef 😂
I am in Canada as well and Epicure Huns are always present at craft fairs, Christmas craft shows, farmers markets, etc. The products have never really interested me as they are truly expensive. But a little bit about no salt products. There are a ton of people (my parents and myself included) who seek out products low or sodium free because we have high blood pressure and sodium can raise it to unsafe levels. That is not to say that I avoid salt like I am supposed to, but it can be harmful. So yes, there is a market for low sodium flavour packages.
People with kidney disease as well need to avoid salt.
My friend just had a "party." I think they are very expensive too. I keep thinking that they are similar to the McCormick spice pouches you find in the grocery store. I am just not interested.
@@rachaelsimmons7881 Yeah most are! There are some more Mediterranean/eastern spice mixes that are not that far off in price (in terms of buying the actual spices in the mixes) but the more basic mixes and broths can 100% be found cheaper at the grocery stores.
@@PenguinTuxJunction Bulk Barn, the Barbecue Bible, and I make my own. They are cheaper, fresher, taste better, and I put half the salt suggested because ready mixes are wayyyyy too salty.
As soon as you got to the part where there was a "wonderful couple who was mentoring her" I knew it was Amway.
To anyone who sees Vector/CutCo using a rental space at an outlet mall or anything like that, please try to find the sign that's usually posted in the front windows by the person leasing out the space to them. If you can find their number or email address, contact them to let them know that Whoever's Name Here who is renting their space on Whatever Date(s) Here is using the space to pitch their MLM. Typically this is a violation of the terms of their rental agreement and they'll get removed for it. They know they're not supposed to do it, and they will conveniently leave that information out of their side of the agreement. 🙄 even if you aren't a part of the pitch, if you see it happening from the outside and are pretty sure of what you're witnessing, it's good to let them know. 👍🏼
Also..... on a totally separate note... I've ALWAYS wondered. Is it pronounced "Jam Berry" or is it supposed to be pronounced like Jamboree?? 🤔
That’s such a good tip! Thank you! It’s spelled Jamberry and just pronounced how it’s spelled! 😊
I actually wondered about how they got away with renting spaces out like that. I unfortunately got pitched in 2013, but thankfully realized what it was and didn't get involved. Good information.
Yo I almost worked at CutCo when I was fresh out of high school and again the next year when I was desperate for work. So glad I didn’t.
Former Amway IBO here! For your 3rd story, that is a very common tactic that was used while I was in, especially for newer recruits. To meet people and talk about your "mentors" (usually a platinum or above couple) and how they helped you and are willing to help a few more people be successful in this business opportunity. And usually once it got to business talk you would hand your prospects over to them and they would do meetings for you since "you didn't know how to show the plan yet" aka manipulate people. Until they could trust you to manipulate people yourself, you weren't even allowed to show the plan yourself unless it was a last resort kind of thing.
I'm kinda tempted to make Amway videos or something cause I feel like a lot of what they do is different from modern MLM's.
I want to pull out my hair, that 1st story! HURT! If someone had tried to do that to my Mom I'd say they'd be glad they were in a HOSPITAL! 🤬🤯😤😭
Oh man. I related to your frustrations on citing sources and trying to help only to be called a liar. I almost died of covid (vaccines weren't available for my age group yet) and people would still tell me I was exaggerating, lying or just a sheep.
I can’t even IMAGINE some stranger coming up to me wanting to “be my bff” while I’m trying to buy groceries.
Ma’am, back away from me… I WILL bite!! 😡
The parallels between MLM and cult "recruitment" tactics are absolutely frightening.
My mother has fibro and I would be soooo PEEVED off if someone tried to sell her a "cure" for it.
I have fibromyalgia. I'm 35. It's a 'moderate' case, but still is so bad sometimes that I feel like my body is dying. Aside from being told I have it because I, and I quote, "pray wrong" (seriously? God can not be that petty), but I have relatives who refuse to hear me when I tell them it's incurable and can only be pain managed. They keep sending me garbage recipes for 'cures' or 'detoxes' 🙄
Huns do this all the time. They actually troll chronic pain groups and will message members pitching their "miracle cure"
Those Thrive/LeVel huns were a plague in fibro support groups for a while with the cure claims. Sure, anything with that much caffeine will give you new energy....
@@victoriashevlin8587 same thing for my autism.
The Amway story, the "learning their WHY" sounds so similar to Scientology and their "finding your ruin" at the beginning. Cults are all the same, they just use different words.
My mum had cancer last year and joined a fb group for women with breast cancer. A monat rep would constantly post and comment about the products claiming that it would help with hair growth post chemo. I was furious when she showed me due to the lawsuits about their products causing balding, I could not believe someone would target woman who were already suffering and were just trying to feel like themselves again
Not gonna lie, I tried microwaving chicken out of laziness. I didn't get sick, but it was awful. So dry. Anyway, I'm vegan now hahahaha
Me too!
Oof
I'm so happy you at least didn't get sick!!
I remember how it was all rubbery and white and had bits hanging off it and the smell omg never again 😅 like damn
This reminds me of the Superstore scene where Amy microwaves chicken and it looks like death, but her vegan friend, Dina, feels so badly for her that she tries it. She also got very ill haha
I am a breast cancer survivor. I developed my cancer young, and thankfully (sort of) because my Mom and my Aunt (Mom’s sister) as well as several of their cousins we caught it early, because I was able to start my mammograms early. I was Stage I (T1N0M0), and both hormone receptor positive and Her2 Positive. The Her2+ meant my cancer was growing very rapidly, so we opted for a double mastectomy, 18 months of IV chemo, followed by 10 years of oral chemo, and monthly shots of injectable medication to suppress my hormones. So we’re throwing lots and lots of stuff at this. I cannot tell you how many Huns asked me why I wasn’t opting for a wasn’t doing something more “natural,” and then mention their MLM product. I even had an Monat Rep say that their products could make my hair stay in while I was going thru chemo (my sister is a physician and I brushed my mom’s hair as it fell out). A lot of these women were older than me, and I don’t like to speak rudely to my elders so I would just say something like “well, a lot of my chemo drugs are actually naturally derived.” But I finally had it when someone selling the pink drink literally insisted that I drink their pink drink in front of her, denying that it had any sort of non-nutritive sweetener (they make me super sick and you can see where this is going when you add it to chemo sick you may want to stop reading here) next thing you no, I am projectile vomiting into my office waste basket while my actual friend runs in and holds my wig back. (I would work as much as I could and always wore an expensive natural hair wig because I was felt embarrassed about the whole bald situation.
I have had some not so bad situations with MLM sellers. A friend who sold Lu La Roe gave me some loose fitting dresses free for when I had my drains in so I would be comfortable, but it was shortly before she left the company. I also remember that during the Christmases I had to have infusions, a man in a Santa suit would come in (with a reindeer and clown. Don’t know why the clown.) With goody bags. They were really nice. They had really cute stuffed animals, makeup from Lancôme (they were left over makeup bags that corporate probably allowed a store to donate to my cancer center.), some healthy snacks, and a bunch of Rodan and Fields. There was no card to get in touch and no strings attached to the Rodan and fields, and the cream was pretty good. So that was pretty nice of the R&F rep, because it’s literally at least hundreds of patients. Stay healthy, happy, joyful and blessed everyone!
At this point, I click on the thumb up as soon as I come to a video. And judging by the 13.1K followers, I'm sure a lot of people are pretty confident about your quality content. Ok. Will watch this now :)
Same!
Same! Seriously my favorite anti-mlm channel at this point
Same 🤣
Samsies!!!!
Me too! And also it’s my way of knowing which ones I’ve watched and which I haven’t since I’ve been binging lol
I have MS, and have had people tell me random “cures”, and even see many other ms warriors on various online forums explain that they’re stopping their treatment to try {insert various essential oils/diets/other snake oil treatments here}. It’s depressing to see. Modern medicine has come a long way, and the medical treatments for MS now are far more advanced than they used to be even 10 years ago. The treatment I’m on is intense, but has shown to stop progression in 75% of patients for at least 5 years…and in my opinion, anything that might slow the progression of this disease is worth trying. I believe in alternative therapies that can compliment the medical treatment recommended by your doctor, but to tell desperate people they can be cured by something you benefit from financially is beyond disgusting. It’s inhumane.
I’m so sorry. My mom has MS/Lyme disease and has tried literally every alternative treatment. It’s such a waste of money and time and hope and I have pure hatred for people who exploit the chronically ill to make money. Ugh.
Your videos are great, as always. It's sad to hear that you've also encountered the "you can't change my mind" mentality that some huns have. Past a certain point, I think it's too *expensive* for them to change their mind. Expensive in the sense that they would then have to tell their entire downline that they've been promoting something predatory. They'd have to accept themselves that they could've been making the world a worst place. For many, that is too great of a cost. It's easier to just keep selling the dream and telling the "haters" to "work harder".
Haven't even started the video, must say false claims, fake/alternative med/objects, sympathy cancer stories...
BLOOD BOILS! My Mom had stage 4 Ovarian Cancer, 2003, she was a Survivor! We lost her in 2018.
I’m so sorry for your loss! Hugs!
@@peaceweaver3 thank you, very down today. 4 years ago today she went into the hospital, came home a month later & passed away Feb.6th.
Hurts hard
Sally should've been fired and had a malpractice suit brought against her.
Remember, she could find no actual proof that Sally did it. She could speculate based on Sally’s past comments, but that was it.
@@Deangirl86security cameras. Contact the cops if you see abuse. They can set up a sting.
@@Deangirl86 Cancer patients receive a lot of medication that's tightly controlled. If there's not internal security cameras because of that, I'd be extremely surprised.
Yeah, Epicure is HUGE in Canada and I'll be honest, their spices are actually pretty good (the ones I've tried at least). I don't but from them obviously but I've been gifted them more than once.
I agree! I bought them once (to support a friend who wasn't a representative but she was having a ''party'' for a relative) and I liked them a lot! There aren't very expensive either. I even considered contacting the rep and buying more, but since I'm anti MLM, I didn't. Also, less sodium isn't ''taking the joy out of food''. Most people really need to eat less sodium for health reasons. Sodium can be added separately as well, you don't need it in every single spice you buy and use.
This one covered so many of the MLMs my in-laws have been involved with. They STILL take their Kangen machine with them when they travel. It’s gross.
I have a fear of undercooked chicken, especially since my husband regularly gives himself food poisoning from undercooking chicken on the grill (I never eat it) I don't think I could be paid enough money to eat chicken microwaved from raw
LOL I'm the opposite of your husband, I'm so paranoid about undercooked chicken I cook the sh*t out of it. Then I hover over my wife asking if the chicken is OK and cooked enough.
Just get a food thermometer. I bake chicken once a week and use a thermometer every time.
@@sowhatchajen2846 exactly, check the thickest part of the chicken, and when you get 165°F you are safe. This is coming from my knowledge from being a food service manager, and food safety instructor for ServSafe.
I love the clinical psychologist’s input/honesty. The more you learn, the more you realize how much you don’t actually know.
Salt: It’s useful to have salt free spice blends because you can always add salt but you can’t remove it so there’s a limit to how much flavour you can add. People who have high blood pressure or heart failure have to limit their consumption of salt because it increases blood volume and as such raises blood pressure. Sodium free salt doesn’t do it because it’s potassium chloride instead of sodium chloride, but tastes a bit different than normal salt.
Microwaved chicken: Use a thermometer in the thickest part of the meat and a couple other points. It won’t make it taste any better (aside from possibly reducing the cooking time so it won’t get as dry), but you can make sure it hit the right temp. Cutting it into one inch or two centimetre pieces can make it cook more evenly and quickly, but it’s a bit easier to overcook.
Microwaves being healthier: You can cook things faster which reduces the amount of vitamins lost to cooking. Using it to “steam” veggies instead of steaming on the stove prevents the vitamins from leaching into the cooking water, and the shortened cooking time can reduce the amount lost to heat
I’ve had people approach me multiple times at stores or malls saying they want my kids to model for them 😳😳😳 I’m like NOPE.
OMG I almost got suckered into Cutco for about a month. It was even I first moved to the city and I hadn't even heard of MLMs. Boy did I ever dodge a bullet
Ugh I remember going to a Vector/Cutco "interview" about 25 years ago I think, I was a college student at the time in my early 20's- they had their usual deceptive "help wanted- no experience, $14 per appointment!" ads plastered all over the school campus and in the local newspaper. Their tactics haven't changed much, apparently. I didn't know what MLMs were then but I've always been a socially anxious introvert, so the "job" (when they finally got around to telling us about it) sounded like my personal idea of hell, lol! I went and sat through that entire terrible "interview" but I never bought anything and never went back. All the cliches were there- group of 8-10 twenty somethings in an office type building, in a conference room, lots of talk about how the opportunity would change our lives, demonstration of the knives, several hours-long presentation, etc. I remember thinking even then that even if I wasn't an introvert, even if I could sell knives to that many people, I would never be able to sell enough, for a long enough time, to actually make a livable income. And I didn't know a lot of people either except family, and we didn't have lots of money to spend on stupid things like special knives when the cheap ones they already had worked just fine!
Omg, I am the same with meat haha. I ALWAYS cook for longer than suggested and check each piece before I eat haha. My husband thinks I’m weird 🤣
I DO THIS TOO 😂
I am so paranoid about raw poultry (all meats, but especially poultry) that not only do I bleach or use bleach cleansers on every surface after doing anything with it, not only do I wash my hands twice after touching it, etc., but for years my Thanksgiving turkey was rinsed inside and out with a mild bleach solution before (rinse rinse rinsing) and cooking.
Note: I used the water/bleach ratio recommended for drinking and/or cooking water during and after power outages from hurricanes. So it’s a “safe for consumption” mixture, and again was rinsed VERY thoroughly, but still powerful enough to kill bacteria and germs. (I started buying free-range and/or organic turkeys and other poultry, so I don’t have to be quite that paranoid anymore, but I am still super anal about cleaning and food safety, especially with poultry. People laugh at me, too, for taking the temp of every single piece of chicken, in multiple spots, when I make fried or sautéed chicken, or for washing my hands before touching food if I so much as open a cabinet, but I’ve been cooking dinner for my family almost every night for over 20 years, and we have never had any illnesses or anything else from unsafe or ill-prepared food.)
Cooking kills all the bacteria. Rinsing raw meat in bleach does nothing and might even be toxic
@@annacostello5181 Kinda feels like you didn't read my entire comment.
This video, well the story about that couple mentioned brought back a memory! I’ve had quite a few run ins with MLMs. I need to send them in!
Just found you the other day and I had your MLM horror stories playing ALL day yesterday. You're awesome for bringing attention to MLM.
My mum is part of the Kagen water thing. I've mostly taken the approach "don't attack her about the mlm" as it'll probably just push her deeper. But to know someone in her MLM did this to a cancer patient is definitely going to be in the back of my mind every time she wants me to check her English for what I know is a post for her business.
Thank you to everyone who shares their stories! No story is too small! I learn something from every single one!
Binging through the playlist, and I'm starting to feel like I have a built in MLM protection due to my extreme introvertism. 😅 So many of these stories start like; "I met a nice stranger and we ended up talking for hours".
Would never happen to me. 😂
The first story reminded me of a story here in Colorado.
Not an MLM, but a man was running a "Holistic Medicine" office. He wasn't a doctor, he wasn't certified in anything. He was pumping out people's blood and running it through UV lights before pumping it back in.
He was also, "prescribing" supplements.
He had 3 patients die under his, "care" and was sent to prison for 13 years.
Omg this microwave chicken story!!!!! Reminds me of an old roommate I had. She had company over one night and she was cooking a whole chicken. She INSISTED it could be cooked in 1 hour. I tried to tell her a whole chicken takes longer. She was so stubborn and when it came out RAW she kept microwaving it to try to get it DONE for her company. Not only that- but was barely seasoned. It was greyish/white. I was SO happy that I had already made other plans for dinner. And my bf (now hubby) at the time and I were making Korean short ribs on our smokey Joe in the backyard. I felt so bad for her company and to make it worse they could smell our food. We really only bought a small package from Trader Joe's so not enough to share. Nothing to do with MLM but her and her mom ran a business together and they made a lot of outlandish claims that they could cure cancer with colloidal silver, reverse osmosis water, and essential oils.
Typical MLM that preys on people when they are most vulnerable! These companies really need to be abolished.
Thanks for putting the story about the microwaved chicken directly after that tragic cancer story. I needed a good laugh. I just wonder how many others at that party had a bad case of the runs the next day 🤣
GIRL!!! This is absolutely your color! 😍😍😍 Omgosh! You look fantastic here!
Thanks Hannah, I have one MLM experience but I never went through with it and after hearing all the horrors stories I feel lucky. I'm always sceptical and the idea of selling to strangers leaves me cold.
OMGG
i remember one of my friends from
college telling me he worked at cutco and i was like wtf is that? and it was all very vague and weird and he was like i’m gonna be making big money and i was like okay….???? and then he bragged about his first few checks and suddenly stopped and we never heard about it again
Lmao it's cause in the pitch they fill your head with that BS. It's super predatory, especially when it comes to college students. I went to one in Austin, TX in 2013 and I was 19, it was weird and my stepmother thought so too. They seriously tell you you'll make $50k- $100k a year depending on the amount of work you put in, which those amounts are a huge deal for a college kid. It's just gross.
If I was approached in a store and the MLMer did not accept "NO", I would then be extremely loud and obnoxious with "I will not be associated with your MLM!"
Dude, the Amway creepers LOOOOOVE our local target for their hunting grounds 🤦♀️
It's easier to fool a person than it is to convince them that they've been fooled.
honestly the story of the crystal lady and the couple gave me human trafficker vibes, creepy
Glad to find this channel. I've had many experiences with MLMs and might send them in if I have time one day. Keep up the good work. I try to use my experiences to dissuade friends from getting sucked in like I was once.
when you said fear of eating undercooked meat affects your daily life I felt that so hard. As i’ve gotten older it’s honestly gotten very hard for me to eat meat.
Grab a meat thermometer! eggs/ground meat should hit 160F, poultry/fowl to 165, and other cuts to 145.
I can totally relate to the CutCo story. A couple of people I went to high school with that I knew moderately well had been suckered into joining, didn't know much about it until I get some random text messages one day saying that I would be a great fit based on what my friends had said about me, and sent me a link to apply. I was wary to click on the link, but those same people mentioned to me that they'd dropped my name a few times. At the time I absolutely hated my retail job (who doesn't), and thought I might as well apply. The application process from what I remember was super weird and vague (I don't even think they'd asked me for my resume) and eventually pushed me through to an automated text system to sign up for my interview spot, which was also weird since any of the jobs I'd applied for always took a few days at least to even offer me an interview. At this point I was getting weird vibes but I'd already made my appointment for a Saturday at some weird time. Later, when I looked up the details, I found the location they wanted me to go to was about a 30-45 minute drive from where I lived (and not to mention, also looked sketchy). I ended up not even going to the "interview" and was glad I didn't, didn't even bother cancelling. Later, I come to find out a little more about what my friends were doing, and was even MORE glad I didn't bother going! I've never had a ton of friends or been great at "selling", so the whole idea of holding "appointments" was mortifying. They all eventually ended up leaving shortly after.
I find it so weird that CutCo/Vector Marketing in particular makes an effort to suck in high-school aged kids, probably because it's easier to get them young before they have any idea that MLM schemes are way too good to be true. What teenager wouldn't want to make quick cash?
Oh gosh, I had a friend I hadn't seen for a long time invite me out for lunch and then use the exact pitch from story 3. The "successful couple", the "we'll have to see if they can squeeze you in". I turned them down, not because I realized it was a scam but because it just sounded like too much work to be able to get ready at a moments notice when they "found time for me". I guess laziness saved me?
I am as anti-mlm as anyone else here, but I just had to come admit that I cook with epicure spices every day. Some of them are soo good 😭 my mom has bought them for as long as I can remember, but she has NO idea what an MLM is 🤣 I remember the day I found out about 4 months ago when I was visiting home. I was like holy shit, everything really IS an MLM 🤦🏼♀️ I still feel like I’m committing a crime by using them 🥴
I know!! I feel the same way. Epicure is so good. My mom is an insanely good cook and she uses the odd epicure product. My mom's roasted vegetables are so delicious and I'm always asking what she does and it's a shake of a few random epicure spices like rosemary and garlic etc. Anyway I also feel bad using them but I'm also so excited when my mom gifts me some haha #conflicted
You know, the vitamin one reminded me of this one toxic chick I ran into in a very toxic women's group that was selling vitamins and promoting "be your own boss by selling these!" A little more snooping and it appears that she was a realtor. Like... at least I wasn't selling shady expensive supplements that make false promises.
The crazy high % on multivitamins is actually why I take one for kids. All the adult ones have wild high numbers that I'm so not comfortable with.
That first story is a total gut punch. This is not on the same level, but my mom was taken advantage of by my half sister who was selling something called MonaVie (a now defunct mlm) that was basically super expensive bottles acai juice, I think. My half sister basically sold it to my mom as a cure all that would help with her chronic back pain. It of course never helped, and my mom bought a whole bunch of bottles before she finally stopped (not sure what the reason), but it was so expensive, she would only drink a small shot glass once a day, hoping it would help her. I think they were about $40 for a wine bottle of juice, and this was back in the mid 2000's.
I often think back on that and how my half sister, a generally wretched person (and I don't say that lightly, she has completely taken advantage of me after my mom died), took advantage of my mom. She's still a hun, trying to push DoTerra products on my dad who has had a stroke. We don't buy anything, but she's convinced that they basically have kept him alive. Not the hospice or our live in nurse who is amazing, or the fact that my dad is a total fighter and survivor - no, it's the stupid oils and oily products.
I went on a tangent. It's not at all on the same level as what happened to the poor cancer patient, but I'm still angry over what happened to me mom, I can't imagine the anger towards that water hun the op must have.
That’s absolutely how Amway operates! Same thing happened to us!
I used to do Amway and they have a six or seven step process before becoming a “business owner.” They tell you what to say, how to approach (always compliment others), how to dress, and even how to think! It was too much and a cult! Hearing that story I knew it was Amway.
My first MLM experience (aside from attending Avon, Mary Kay, and Pampered Chef parties) was very similar to the Cutco story. Luckily, after accepting the job at the interview onsite, my family convinced me to find a job that I can go to everyday and get paid by the hour. I called the “employer” back and told him I decided to turn down the offer. However, that didn’t stop two follow-up phone calls asking me to come in and complete my HR paperwork.
We mainly use Mrs Dash or the McCormick salt free seasoning in our house. My dad had heart surgery due to a genetic condition, so we don't keep it in the house. No over priced mlm products, but there are a lot more options now.
Also some medical diagnoses call for a low sodium diet. It’s a regular thing in the healthcare field.
Thank you for so many reasons, one of them being that you wear a different top in each video so I can tell which ones I've seen 🤣 You rock
One day I’ll explain the Amway process! I even have a notebook with old notes from conferences
That Happy Co MLM got my aunt, literally the most toxic person I've ever met, completely sucked in. I've thought about sending my story for a while. She would pretend to suddenly be this joyous person on her facebook and instagram but still talk trash about her family and even her own kids to her coworkers at Walmart. These products have so much caffeine I had heart palpitations from one cup of their coffee. There's so much more I could tell lol
Looove watching your videos while I work my 9-5 @ home 😇 especially these longer ones!
I was a manager at a store and a high school girl that worked part time for us, her mom had cancer and was “treating” it with essential oils, almost guaranteed to be from an mlm… one day she was saying “no one believed her but she’s in total remission” and soon after, she passed away. I can’t even imagine…
Former “Amway” victim here. Yes, that tactic was definitely not encouraged by Amway at all, since they are just product. It is the tactic of the “leadership developer” team using Amway as a tool to recruit. The one I was involved in used this “successful couple” tactic, since it’s not only gives the appearance of having accessibility to a “guru,” but also helps people with low social skills build a team by having their up line do the work for them. Oop
My sister in law has been in multiple mlms. My mom has supported her. We ended up with some real garbage over the years. We got a egg microwave cooker. It was slower, more complicated, harder to clean, messier then cooking eggs in a pan.
Didn't know epicure was an MLM!! A past roommate brought home a bunch of seasoning packs one day but I didn't think anything of it cause they were in culinary school. Left them when they moved out haha
23:00 some do need 3-400% DV of folate like us with Spina bifida when we are of a childbearing age because we need more folate to prevent our kids from also getting Spina bifida or other brain/spine issues
Holy crap. I am sitting here imagining if that cancer patient were my own mother or grandmother, knowing that she was (allegedly) led astray by a medical professional she should have been able to trust. I’m so mad it’s got me crying on a Thursday morning. These wellness based MLMs are the epitome of disgusting to me.
Just saw an epicure rep at a craft show last weekend! I assumed it was a local business and was going to check it out but didn't end up having time. Glad I skipped it!!!
The products are actually really good!!
My brain sort of short circuited on the last story. I’m also a personal trainer, and a friend of mine approached me about Optavia. For a moment I was genuinely trying to remember if I’d submitted a story while sleep deprived and forgotten.
Sodium is a huge problem for a lot of medical issues. I had to go almost completely sodium-free when I had multiorgan failure and was trying to recover well enough to survive a transplant, so it was for *years.* My life was fresh fruit and veggies and soy products for *years.*
I ate way too much sodium beforehand, and ever since I went cold turkey on seasonings for forever and was then released from my sodium-free diet after my recovery I'm no longer over-salting everything I put in my mouth, and my blood pressure and general hydration definitely is helping me feel healthier in general. I actually use those sodium-free seasonings, and they're not that bad, but I will absolutely always use a little bit of salt in my more complex foods.
I am hooked on your videos. Can’t stop watching!
I’m a breast cancer patient. The nonsense people feel comfortable pitching to me is mind boggling. I especially love the girl from my high school who only has a high school diploma who is constantly messaging me about alkaline water and Juice Plus…. 🙄🙄🙄
Heck no lol yall need to get one of those thermometers that u stick in the meat to see how hot it is in the middle. If it isnt as hot as they say chicken should get to cook all the way then dont eat it or cook it longer. Very handy thing to have
I had a girl approach me in Target. She complimented my shoes and we started chatting. Somehow I mentioned that I was new to the area. She seemed nice and said maybe we could hangout sometime so I gave her my number. Few days later she called and started telling me about some mentoring group she was in and how her mentor was this amazing person who retired super early or something. I don’t know what MLM this was gearing up for because as soon as the mentor talk started I realized this person wasn’t actually looking to be my friend and I shut it down. Still really bummed someone pretending to be a potential friend in order to try and recruit me for whatever bs MLM they were in.
That poor cancer patient! Reminds me of when my grandma was into Amway and they had some sort of aloe Vera drink. One of my cousins had leukemia and was getting treatment for it- mid 1970’s- so probably harsher than now. He survived but was left with constant intestinal issues. Grandma always told me that if his parents had given him the aloe drink he wouldn’t have been having the issues. She was pretty narcissistic and toxic.
New love you, love poshmark and see you have content about that but am still deep diving the mlm stuff and my family misses me😉
There are certain types of hypertension that require a low sodium diet. My father had heart disease and we had to use very low sodium in our cooking
Thanks for all you do, Hannah!
Devils Advocate, here. If you use a lot of premade sauces, seasoning, or ready to eat options, cutting back on salt might be a great starting point.
I tracked my foods for a while and found out I was WAY over on sodium. Cutting back by half actually made everything taste better after a few days to adjust and helped my chronic headaches.
Story 3: OMG that's so cult-y!
May I reccomend garlic powder, and/or mrs. Dash if you have to be on a low sodium diet for whatever reason or just want to cut down on salt, it will replace the salt well as well as add good flavor to basically anything you would normally use salt on
There is no excuse for sally. When you have lives in your hands you are responsible for doing research. She needs to be in jail.
Agree 💯 about salt and sodium.
there was a study done once where two test groups got the exact same amount of the exact same food, but one group had to eat all the meals after they were put through a blender.
And the test group who had the nice appetising meals ended up digesting and absorbing more of the good healthy parts of the food, like vitamins etc. The blender group was basically forcing themselves to eat food they found disgusting, and even tho it was the exact same food, they didn't get the same benefits from it.
All this to say: if you think you're being healthier by forcing yourself to eat stuff that grosses you out, chances are it's not helping you
A "friend" of mine started OPTavia and was trying to force me to sign up for it, and got overly aggressive with me and even tried to manipulate my husband into spending the nearly $500 for a box of premade crap that isn't even really all that healthy for you and all it does is literally starve your body and cause you to lose way too much weight way too fast which can be very unhealthy for you. When I finally got it through to her that I wasn't going to become a downline for her she started to manipulate anyone and everyone around me (including my now husband) into treating me like dirt and almost caused my husband and I to not even get married! She went as far as to spread lies to the pastor of our church (and our officiant) about me and try to get him to not officiate for us and tell my husband I didn't deserve him and that he should leave me. ALL BECAUSE I WASN'T WILLING TO GO BANKRUPT FOR A BOX OF FOOD!!! Yes I needed to lose weight but I was not about to through HALF of a paycheck a month towards a box of prepackaged food that didn't look all that appetizing anyways and always turned my stomach when I was around her and she was eating it.
Well that escalated quickly
My grandfather sold cut co knives when he was in college he said it was the worst job he ever had. later on my mother sold Marry Kay and still had product she continued to use year later 🤢 I almost got tricked into Doterra but I didn't buy anything because I didn't understand why I had to buy though a rep even when buying off the website