It is amazing how budget IEMs come so far these days because I just got mine and they blew my old sub $1000 flagship IEMs Solaris and Andromeda in imaging and resolution not bad at all whoa Only complaint is mild BA timbre on some songs and weak bass but will hold on to these until I get my Anole V14
Thank you so much for this. I was ready to pull the trigger on these and then I came across this. No one else in any of the other reviews I read or watched brought up that they were unvented. My second choice was $100 less so I'm sure I'll be happier and have an extra $100 because of you. Thanks again
@@saumyasharma9993 it creates a more plugged, pressurized feel. It's less important on an all balanced armature set though because they don't move air like dynamic drivers.
Super Mark, THANK YOU for this review. I had lusted after an SA6 for a while but, thanks to you, I got the Orchestra Lite a couple weeks ago. I'm over the moon. I'm just listening for enjoyment like most (not pro use) and I don't feel like I want any more or any less of bass, mids or treble. The treble is gentle but the IEM doesn't sound muffled to me. I absolutely LOVE it. This could be end game for me personally 😱🤯
I have the Aful and I promise you it’s not overhyped. It’s as neutral as it gets for a IEM. Will play the recording accurately with no boosted bass or treble. But if the track has heavy bass or treble you will hear how it was meant to be heard through the Performer 5.
Comparing the frequency response with the Dunu Titan S, I found they are very similar in term of tuning. I wonder how good of an upgrade the Kiwi lite might be for more than double the price. Great video!
Thanks for the review Seems like a good set, almost pushing my iem budget limit😅 Would like to try them. Will you be reviewing the Simgot AE500’s anytime soon? Look forward to your next review 😊👍🏼
I reqlly enjoy your reviews and especially the fit and comfort element you add, since i apparently have smaller ears than normal. Not that most iems would fit but that they either wouldn't stay in or would be painful for long listening. I would have thought these would cause discomfort for long listening periods.
Nicely Done. I think in your part ll video you reveal the size of the nozzle/bore without tips and talk a little about it . Fit is key on any iem. Just a suggestion to include in all your reviews :) You also talked about the Audio Hekili . Does it still stand up over a year latter ? (sadly no lip on the nozzle) Thanks
Meteor is a warmer and thicker sound than Orchestra Lite, more emphasis on vocal in OLite though it's still fairly relaxed. Technical performance between them is similar.
I've been eyeing up the Truthear Hexa over the past few months now (your review of it was excellent, by the way) and it sounds like it's one of those IEMs that punches/performs above its $80-$100 price range... Another one that's caught my attention is the Aful Performer5 - obviously in the higher $250 range - and now this Orchestra Lite has me interested as well... My question is: Do you think the $250 Performer5 and Orchestra Lite perform, overall, markedly better than the Hexa ? Or would I be 'losing out' on $170-worth of justified excellence if I went with Hexa ? Thanks !
Those three are all good enough that you're missing out no matter what you choose -- but not in some linear good-better-best way, but in a all-good-in-different-ways sorta way. Performer5 and Orchestra Lite are a little bassier than Hexa.
Hey man, watching your videos for a looong time! Big fan of yours. Do you know which IEM JoeWo is using ? I asked him on Twitch but is not answering because they makers of the IEM are not paying him. Maybe you can see on his videos which one he uses? Would be greatly appreciated man.
I don't have an all BA set, it's an itch I have to scratch (or a excuse to add to my collection). That you say this one has good timbre and depth to the stereo puts these on the short list for me. Flat soundstage really bugs me.
Hmm, unfortunately it being not vented is a hard pass for me. I am one of those few people that are very sensitive to pressure build-up, so sadly despite this sounding like one of the best sets under $500, I would not even be able to wear it for long.
Unvented is actually much better at noise isolation, I wore my Orchestra Lite on flight and it was able to completely isolate the airplane engine noise, I could never wear vented iem in public as it just doesn't isolate external noise. Most iem are vented which makes the Orchestra Lite a unique iem for specific purposes.
@@contrarian2496 yeah, I don't really travel a lot. And when I do, the noise isolation of a vented but semi custom shelled set like my Bravery AE already does more than enough for me. The vacuum-like feeling from a non vented is too strong and uncomfortable for my ears.
@@SuperReview Damn that's interesting because even Meteor has been touted as having some great technicals for the driver config and the tuning. I think I might be underestimating the technicals of the Orchestra Lite.
Which one u recommend is great for classical/ orchestra chamber music? Kiwi orchestra, tanchjim origin, simgot EA 1000 fermat, binary acoustic Chopin, kiwi quintet, 7hz timeless.
Do you know what's being talked about? It is the small hole in the iem housing. All iems with DD and Planar need these holes to prevent the driver from flexing when inserted into the ear canal and while working. BA is generally not needed because the way it works is different from DD and Planar.
It's not about the driver flex. Regardless what type of the transducer tech, there will always be accumulated air pressure that is trapped in the ear canal because all these IEMs transmit sound through air conduction.
Been really digging these! It’s my first all BA set. The Moondrop S8 seems to have the same tuning with slightly more sub-bass and treble air. Is the S8 a substantial upgrade to the Orchestra Lite?
Interesting, I get a lot of mileage out of the laidback, warm-neutral presentation of the Orchestra lite, but I would love to get my hands on the S8 for the improved definition & techs. Thanks for the response!@@SuperReview
Now I like my music loud. Like... LOUD. I mainly listen to metal. Would you recommend these or are they one of the normalised ones that got nerfed in the loudness department in order to preserve audio quality? I use Helm Audio Bolt DAC.
(1) Please be careful with your hearing, (2) I don't know what you mean by normalized to nerf loudness and preserve audio quality. There are no electronics here, it'll get as loud as your source can power.
Please don't post the same comment multiple times. I'm not a singer so I don't know your requirements. It sounds good and it will stay in place, as will the others you asked about.
hi, mark, aful performer 5 in my country is 70 dollars cheaper than kiwi ears orchestra lite, which should i pick? also i mentioned that tangzu zetian wu in my country is about 100 dollars, should i pick hexa or zetian wu or maybe the other options for my son in about 100 dollars?
Not better, just different. Orchestra Lite is more midrangey, Quintet a little brighter and more contrasty. I think most people will prefer Quintet on quick comparison, but personally I find Orchestra Lite the better IEM for longer listening.
@@SuperReview I personally don't like artificial, exaggerated, unnatural sounds. However, I don't want the 'monitor' sound, which is flat either. My favorite speaker brand is Proac. Could you recommend any IEM that is less than $300, please?
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vs. Aful Performer5, how to wear unvented IEMs, and looking at graphs in the audience Q&A 👉 th-cam.com/video/n6uDeySYIqo/w-d-xo.html
vs blessing 2?
+1 compared to Aful and B2 which is best techinally
@@shabtabqobviously b2 dusk
What eartips do you recommend for the them.
It is amazing how budget IEMs come so far these days because I just got mine and they blew my old sub $1000 flagship IEMs Solaris and Andromeda in imaging and resolution not bad at all whoa
Only complaint is mild BA timbre on some songs and weak bass but will hold on to these until I get my Anole V14
Thank you so much for this. I was ready to pull the trigger on these and then I came across this. No one else in any of the other reviews I read or watched brought up that they were unvented. My second choice was $100 less so I'm sure I'll be happier and have an extra $100 because of you. Thanks again
Hey why do you think ventless are not worth buying? Can u explain, I'm new to iems
@@saumyasharma9993 it creates a more plugged, pressurized feel. It's less important on an all balanced armature set though because they don't move air like dynamic drivers.
Just buy different eartips lol
@@Dubulcle eartips won't suddenly make iems vented
@@christoph9510 Are you slow? The eartip is probably the thing that matters most.
Super Mark, THANK YOU for this review. I had lusted after an SA6 for a while but, thanks to you, I got the Orchestra Lite a couple weeks ago. I'm over the moon. I'm just listening for enjoyment like most (not pro use) and I don't feel like I want any more or any less of bass, mids or treble. The treble is gentle but the IEM doesn't sound muffled to me. I absolutely LOVE it. This could be end game for me personally 😱🤯
🙏
Kiwi lite and Aful p5 at the top of my wishlist
A5 overhyped mid, bquyz winter try
aful have ugly sound
Don’t know about that, I have de P5 and sound great to me, but I have heard that set have lots of unit differences.
I have the Aful and I promise you it’s not overhyped. It’s as neutral as it gets for a IEM. Will play the recording accurately with no boosted bass or treble. But if the track has heavy bass or treble you will hear how it was meant to be heard through the Performer 5.
I thought abt both but decided to just get a used b2, caught mine for 209 but 225 with shipping and tax and not dissapointed.
Comparing the frequency response with the Dunu Titan S, I found they are very similar in term of tuning. I wonder how good of an upgrade the Kiwi lite might be for more than double the price. Great video!
Thanks for the review
Seems like a good set, almost pushing my iem budget limit😅
Would like to try them.
Will you be reviewing the Simgot AE500’s anytime soon?
Look forward to your next review
😊👍🏼
The iem looks like something I might like.
Nice these are definitely some iems that caught my interest!
I've enjoyed listening through them
I reqlly enjoy your reviews and especially the fit and comfort element you add, since i apparently have smaller ears than normal. Not that most iems would fit but that they either wouldn't stay in or would be painful for long listening. I would have thought these would cause discomfort for long listening periods.
Nicely Done.
I think in your part ll video you reveal the size of the nozzle/bore without tips and talk a little about it .
Fit is key on any iem.
Just a suggestion to include in all your reviews :)
You also talked about the Audio Hekili . Does it still stand up over a year latter ? (sadly no lip on the nozzle)
Thanks
nice shirt color matching.
Great review as always! Galileo review when?
It's coming 👍
I was thinking that pressure is only for dd drivers because they required air and ba don't.
Nice review. You're one of the reasons i have the Symphonium Meteors all BA set, and love them. How do these compare to those?
Meteor is a warmer and thicker sound than Orchestra Lite, more emphasis on vocal in OLite though it's still fairly relaxed. Technical performance between them is similar.
I've been eyeing up the Truthear Hexa over the past few months now (your review of it was excellent, by the way) and it sounds like it's one of those IEMs that punches/performs above its $80-$100 price range... Another one that's caught my attention is the Aful Performer5 - obviously in the higher $250 range - and now this Orchestra Lite has me interested as well... My question is: Do you think the $250 Performer5 and Orchestra Lite perform, overall, markedly better than the Hexa ? Or would I be 'losing out' on $170-worth of justified excellence if I went with Hexa ? Thanks !
Those three are all good enough that you're missing out no matter what you choose -- but not in some linear good-better-best way, but in a all-good-in-different-ways sorta way. Performer5 and Orchestra Lite are a little bassier than Hexa.
You can add by EQ extra 1db's for Hexa in 60, 120, 2000 Hz and do not spend extra $150
How are these when compared to the Quintet and which one would be a better purchase if I am upgrading from the Cadenza?
How do these compare to heavy hitters in the same price range like Moondrop Blessing 2 or 7hz Timeless?
I too wonder
I have the blessing 2 , and I think it's not that good 7hz or kiwi would be much better
Love the content brother! Are these IEM’s good for gaming? Hearing footsteps etc
Imaging is not their strength.
@@SuperReview you see he says this but i have heard from many other sources that it is a major strength for these IEMS.....
Nice review!
Thanks ✌️
Hi, I am very new to iem world but can I ask how these perform vs a airpods pro 2? Thanks
Thanks for the review, any link to the after review discussion?
Woops! th-cam.com/video/n6uDeySYIqo/w-d-xo.html
Hey man, watching your videos for a looong time! Big fan of yours. Do you know which IEM JoeWo is using ? I asked him on Twitch but is not answering because they makers of the IEM are not paying him. Maybe you can see on his videos which one he uses? Would be greatly appreciated man.
Can't tell from the videos I saw, too small.
How does it compare to a massdrop zuse?
I don't have an all BA set, it's an itch I have to scratch (or a excuse to add to my collection).
That you say this one has good timbre and depth to the stereo puts these on the short list for me.
Flat soundstage really bugs me.
Not a lot of good all-BA sets under $300 in recent years. This is one tho.
Hmm, unfortunately it being not vented is a hard pass for me.
I am one of those few people that are very sensitive to pressure build-up,
so sadly despite this sounding like one of the best sets under $500, I would not even be able to wear it for long.
I have this same issue, even some iems that have a vent it happens also. It's only my left ear though.
Just drill a hole lol
Unvented is actually much better at noise isolation, I wore my Orchestra Lite on flight and it was able to completely isolate the airplane engine noise, I could never wear vented iem in public as it just doesn't isolate external noise. Most iem are vented which makes the Orchestra Lite a unique iem for specific purposes.
Which ones are vented other then Raptgo Hook?
@@contrarian2496 yeah, I don't really travel a lot. And when I do, the noise isolation of a vented but semi custom shelled set like my Bravery AE already does more than enough for me. The vacuum-like feeling from a non vented is too strong and uncomfortable for my ears.
How do these compare to the symphonium audio meteor?🤔
Meteor is much warmer, bassier sound. Similar on the incisiveness / separation between sounds.
@@SuperReview Damn that's interesting because even Meteor has been touted as having some great technicals for the driver config and the tuning. I think I might be underestimating the technicals of the Orchestra Lite.
Hi Mark 😊 when BAs are not synchronized well they tend to have that BA smear/haze (truthear hexa). Some hint of this problem in the orchestra lite?
That's not something I have any way to measure or otherwise know is happening, so I just describe what I hear.
Which one u recommend is great for classical/ orchestra chamber music? Kiwi orchestra, tanchjim origin, simgot EA 1000 fermat, binary acoustic Chopin, kiwi quintet, 7hz timeless.
I don't really believe in genre-based recommendations. I listen to lots of genres, my favorite sets work with them all.
hey mate what do you think i should get for fps games xenns mangrid or the kiwi ears orchestra lite ?
Never once seen a vented IEM. All I have ever had don't have a vent. With no Active noise canceling and BA drivers you don't need a vent man. Lol
There were three in this video.
Do you know what's being talked about? It is the small hole in the iem housing. All iems with DD and Planar need these holes to prevent the driver from flexing when inserted into the ear canal and while working. BA is generally not needed because the way it works is different from DD and Planar.
It's not about the driver flex. Regardless what type of the transducer tech, there will always be accumulated air pressure that is trapped in the ear canal because all these IEMs transmit sound through air conduction.
I can’t turn down the volume kiwi lite headphones even I turn it down in my sound settings it’s to loud
This might help: ifi-audio.com/products/iematch/
Sorry if I missed it but does this dethrone the Blessing 2 for you?
Been really digging these! It’s my first all BA set. The Moondrop S8 seems to have the same tuning with slightly more sub-bass and treble air. Is the S8 a substantial upgrade to the Orchestra Lite?
S8 is a thinner, lighter, brighter sound, IMO it's much stronger in imaging width and definition.
Interesting, I get a lot of mileage out of the laidback, warm-neutral presentation of the Orchestra lite, but I would love to get my hands on the S8 for the improved definition & techs. Thanks for the response!@@SuperReview
are those the stock tips?
The tips on the table are stock tips, the tips on the IEM are Fiio tips.
Now I like my music loud. Like... LOUD. I mainly listen to metal. Would you recommend these or are they one of the normalised ones that got nerfed in the loudness department in order to preserve audio quality?
I use Helm Audio Bolt DAC.
(1) Please be careful with your hearing, (2) I don't know what you mean by normalized to nerf loudness and preserve audio quality. There are no electronics here, it'll get as loud as your source can power.
This or blessing 3.?
Would you recommend this for a musician using it on stage, specially a singer?
Please don't post the same comment multiple times.
I'm not a singer so I don't know your requirements. It sounds good and it will stay in place, as will the others you asked about.
I have the moondrop Arias and I was thinking about upgrading to new pair it was this or the raptgo hook x HBB what do you think
Hook is probably closer to Arias (bassy V), Orchestra is more neutral (but still good bass).
this or blessings 2?
Would u recommend orchestra lite or quintet while I mostly listen to artist like jucie wrld/billie eilish/Taylor swift? Thank you
I prefer the Orchestra Lite personally.
@@SuperReview thx
hi, mark, aful performer 5 in my country is 70 dollars cheaper than kiwi ears orchestra lite, which should i pick? also i mentioned that tangzu zetian wu in my country is about 100 dollars, should i pick hexa or zetian wu or maybe the other options for my son in about 100 dollars?
I can't pick for you, you know what you want better than I do. I would pick Hexa for me.
@@SuperReview how about aful performer 5? is kiwi ears orchestra lite worth the 70 bucks more than aful performer 5?
What tips are those on the orchestra original?
In this video, those are Softears UC tips.
How do these compare to the Thieaudio Legacy 5?
Haven't listened to Legacy 5 in a while, but I think they're comparable, just BA vs. hybrid.
How do these compare to the original Mangird Tea?
I like it better than the original Tea, much better treble quality and fuller sound.
Is better than the timeless?
I like it better.
Which is better IEM between Quintet and Orchestra lite?
Not better, just different. Orchestra Lite is more midrangey, Quintet a little brighter and more contrasty. I think most people will prefer Quintet on quick comparison, but personally I find Orchestra Lite the better IEM for longer listening.
@@SuperReview I personally don't like artificial, exaggerated, unnatural sounds.
However, I don't want the 'monitor' sound, which is flat either. My favorite speaker brand is Proac. Could you recommend any IEM that is less than $300, please?
does unvented give you a tickly ear?
No.
No mic?????
Not on the stock cable, no.
Are you insane, ryan? Two hundred and FIFTY?
How do these compare to the Tangzu Heydays?