Base Running Blunders: How to Umpire Missed Bases and Early Tags

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  • Step up your game with "Base Running Blunders: How to Umpire Missed Bases and Early Tags," where Patrick Faerber from GHSA Baseball Umpire Development and Umpire Classroom delves into the intricacies of one of the game's most challenging scenarios. This essential guide for umpires of all levels ensures you're ready to make the right call on missed bases and premature tag-ups, situations that can turn the tide of any game.
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  • @standyer7482
    @standyer7482 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like these reviews. Most of us will never, (or rarely), encounter any of these situations, but seeing them ahead of time gives us time to think about them so that when, (and if), we see a similar play, we will be better prepared to render a good, accurate decision quickly.

  • @craigtaylor6780
    @craigtaylor6780 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Patrick, you do a fantastic job.
    Your videos ao helpful.
    Thank You!!

  • @robertbrown7470
    @robertbrown7470 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks again for an excellent video, as usual!

  • @randydavis7497
    @randydavis7497 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I too am thankful for these videos. One clarification would be helpful though. If a batter-runner misses first base, is it a race to see if the batter runner returns to first before an appeal is made. If a following runner is scored, I believe the runner could return to first and still be called out on appeal. But if no runner is on, what happens then? The first base umpire referee magazine says to make a safe call (assuming the batter-runner beats the throw or tag), then wait for an appeal. In other words, I believe case play number 3 here needs some additional explanation.

  • @MrConverse
    @MrConverse 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    11:40, b) is correct according to the audio but c) is indicated as correct in the video.

    • @UmpireClassroom
      @UmpireClassroom  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Go with the audio please

  • @davidwurbel6610
    @davidwurbel6610 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In your case #8, if saw that, I would call time immediately after the action stopped. I would call R2 out for unsportsmanlike conduct "cheating" followed by ejection for making a mockery of the game. The head of the team would receive a warning.

    • @standyer7482
      @standyer7482 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I disagree with your assessment, your decision, and your actions.

    • @richverost6416
      @richverost6416 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can you back this action up with a rule? I do not think so. Let defense appeal properly.

    • @davej3781
      @davej3781 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@richverost6416 there is support from NFHS for ruling such a runner out and ejecting him. There was a Code of Conduct memo last year that listed it as an offense worthy of immediate ejection. I answer question 8 "wrong" because my view is that if we don't call him out and eject him a the time he does it, then we've accepted whatever he did as a missed touch and his touch on the way back cures his previous failure to touch (NFHS 8-2-6l)

  • @67L48
    @67L48 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    8:00. A base path is established when a tag is attempted. So, when F1 attempts the tag, B4 has a base path that is from where he's at to 1B. How did he legally avoid the tag, violated no base path rules, and end up missing 1B altogether and landing several feet beyond out in foul territory? How could he possibly have remained in the base path and ended up where he ended up?

  • @davej3781
    @davej3781 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Regarding Caseplay 8, I've been instructed that we are to call out and eject a player who does what's shown in the inset video, and it's not an appeal play. I answered the question "wrong" on the grounds that if we don't call him out and eject him when he does it, then we've accepted what he did as an ordinary missed touch, thus the touch on the way back cured it and the appeal would be denied. I wasn't aware of a caseplay making this an appeal play, until now:
    *8.2.6 SITUATION H:* R1 is stealing on the pitch and a fly ball is hit to right field.
    R1 misses second base by (a) a few inches or (b) a greater distance because he
    cuts across the infield missing second base as he advanced toward third base.
    F9 catches the fly ball and R1 now retouches second base as he retreats to first
    base. F9's throw is errant and R1 reaches first base ahead of the throw. The defense
    now appeals that R1 should be out as he did not initially touch second base.
    *RULING:* In (a), R1 is not declared out as he touched second base on his return
    to first and as a result corrected his mistake by touching second on his last time
    by the base. In (b), R1 is out on the appeal because a runner who misses a base
    by such a great distance in order to gain an advantage would still be vulnerable to
    appeal under the principle of last time by.

    • @UmpireClassroom
      @UmpireClassroom  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If it hadn't been in the case book, 0% chance I think this is the correct ruling. But it was lol

  • @avesselgaming
    @avesselgaming 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What has me thinking. What if this happens? R3, 1 out. B4 hits a line drive and clips F5. The ball remains in flight, R3 tags up third after F5 is clipped and then immediately proceeds to home, F7 catches the ball in flight. F7 then throws the ball to F5 to appeal the R3 leaving early.
    A) B4 is out. R3 Scores
    B) B4 is out. R3 Scores
    C) B4 is safe. R3 scores
    My judgement based on the rule is that it would be B. (Honestly a crazy situation that can happen). As long as R3 returns to the base after it touched a fielder he can advance. Honestly, I know for a fact there is going to be an ejection lol. You know for a fact a coach is going to absolutely flip their lid.
    So on a runner failing to tag up with 1 out. What if this happens? (I know the answer just throwing it out)
    What if instead of appealing the runner at the base they tag the runner who missed the base? Like for example:
    R3, R2, 1 out. B4 hits a liner to left field. R7 catches the ball in flight. R2 left early. R3 left on time and touches home. The fielders instead of making an appeal on the base they throw it to F5 on third and tag R2 who left early.
    A) B4 is out. R2 is out. R3 doesn't score.
    B) B4 is out. R2 is out. R3 scores.
    C) B4 is out. R2 is safe. R3 scores.
    Make sure you know what a tag out is considered ;)

  • @HaShim383
    @HaShim383 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:51, so R3 would be declared out?

  • @vincenttorrez2862
    @vincenttorrez2862 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been doing games 6 or 7 days a week and I come here everyday. Thanks for all the study guides. They're invaluable

  • @prsguitars42
    @prsguitars42 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Patrick.... I have a question about a ball thrown out of play during an appeal. I can't seem to get a definitive answer from my rules guy on our NFHS board. I
    also don't see it in the NFHS Rulebook( perhaps I missed it somewhere??): R1 singles and misses first on his way to second. A fielder throws over to F3, appealing the missed base
    but F3 isn't paying attention and the ball goes past him and into dead ball territory. 1. Does the def. still retain the right to appeal? 2. If not, can they now request a 'dead ball appeal'?
    3. Do you know the the rule on all rule sets? (OBR, NCAA, L.L. etc;) 4. What happens if the fielder accidentally or intentionally carries the ball into dead ball territory? How would that affect whether or not def. can appeal? Thank You, ross seymour, ct :)

    • @UmpireClassroom
      @UmpireClassroom  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      2.29.6 SITUATION B: Following a base hit by B2, the visiting team wishes to appeal R1 missing third base as R1 advanced to home. After all playing action is over, the pitcher throws the ball to F5 while claiming that R1 missed the base. F5 is not watch- ing and the throw goes into a dead-ball area. RULING: After B2 has been awarded two bases, the visiting team may now verbally appeal R1's missed base. Because an appeal is not a play, the visiting team retains its ability to appeal the baserunning error.

    • @UmpireClassroom
      @UmpireClassroom  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I believe OBR would no longer allow an appeal, which likely impacts LL but I'm not any expert on LL. I'm not on NCAA either.

    • @prsguitars42
      @prsguitars42 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@UmpireClassroom yes....I thought I saw that in our casebook!!

    • @prsguitars42
      @prsguitars42 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      O.K., Patrick, Thank You!!!!

  • @bryonweatherford1772
    @bryonweatherford1772 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What rule supports calling a runner out for an intentional missed base. You can't tell a coach "because the casebook says so". They don't get casebooks.

    • @UmpireClassroom
      @UmpireClassroom  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Whether or not they get the case book is not an issue for us. It is given as the proper rules book in the case book.
      Apparently, this was clarified in a memo a long time ago, but I have no idea.
      I'd imagine there is a sportsmanship rule that NFHS includes as relevant to this ruling.

    • @bryonweatherford1772
      @bryonweatherford1772 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @UmpireClassroom unsporting behavior amounts to an ejection. Not necessarily an out. This is the problem with NFHS. If it is not in the rule book, casebook or their site as a situation, you can't learn the information. They don't achieve previous year's situation, hard as a newer umpire to read it if it can't be found.

    • @davej3781
      @davej3781 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      casebook interpretations have the full force of rules, whether the coaches get casebooks or not
      there are also NFHS Rules Interpretation memos every year which have caseplay ruling; many of those eventually make it into the casebooks, but not always and should be considered equal to the casebook plays, at least for the current year (you can find older Interpretations from previous years which may or may not still be valid; if there's been no rule change nor conflicting casebook ruling, then they probably are)

    • @davej3781
      @davej3781 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      *8.2.6 SITUATION H:* R1 is stealing on the pitch and a fly ball is hit to right field.
      R1 misses second base by (a) a few inches or (b) a greater distance because he
      cuts across the infield missing second base as he advanced toward third base.
      F9 catches the fly ball and R1 now retouches second base as he retreats to first
      base. F9's throw is errant and R1 reaches first base ahead of the throw. The defense
      now appeals that R1 should be out as he did not initially touch second base.
      *RULING:* In (a), R1 is not declared out as he touched second base on his return
      to first and as a result corrected his mistake by touching second on his last time
      by the base. In (b), R1 is out on the appeal because a runner who misses a base
      by such a great distance in order to gain an advantage would still be vulnerable to
      appeal under the principle of last time by.

    • @bryonweatherford1772
      @bryonweatherford1772 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davej3781 thank you for that case.

  • @rayray4192
    @rayray4192 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Slooowwww down Patrick.

  • @rayray4192
    @rayray4192 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Case play # 7 is amazing. In case play # 8 I’m calling R-2 out and ejecting him for cheating

    • @willowbrook2717
      @willowbrook2717 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You have zero rules basis for ejecting him for "cheating". Do you eject every player that in your opinion has cheated? Slippery slope there. For instance, would you eject a player who is trying to sell a catch of a fly ball when in fact they trapped it?

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@willowbrook2717 no, selling a call is baseball.

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@willowbrook2717 it’s still cheating but it’s considered acceptable.

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@willowbrook2717 my comment was probably a joke. I don’t remember the case play. Cutting a base?