I'm a Bulls fan from the Chi, but my first memory was Lebron vs the Bulls sometime in 04', after I got a "King James" comic as a present. Went from a fan to a generational hater in his miami years, back to a fan after 2016. He's 1B to MJ's 1A in my opinion.
1a 1b for sure. I swing LeBron because of the longevity and playmaking. Jordan’s defence and scoring is so otherworldly as well it’s just so close. really can’t complain either way 🤷🏾♂️
Lebrons my favorite player but i still think jordan all time is better. I just dont wanna turn into a oldhead who hates on the next generation of players. Its a cycle i feel like. I've seen clips of wilt and walt Frazier saying the same stuff about jordan back in the day as they do about lebron today. But eventually ik as time goes on there's gonna be a player better than jordan and lebron or whoever else you think is the goat.
@@romansheoships2716 Jordan will always have a better track record, because he was always on the best team in the league. Everything from the coach to the system, to the depth on the roster, was revolutionary. Some stars like Duncan and Steph get that kind of godly draft luck to a top organization. Lebron just flat out never had that in CLE and had to take the reigns, for better of worse. Its insane and sad to me that CLE has done a better job building around Mitchell in 3 years than they did in 7 years with a generational young talent. By year 7, the Bulls finished building the first dynasty team around Jordan. Lebron was given a 38 year old overweight Shaq. I wouldve have left too and never come back
Most entitled player of all time maybe. Greatest diva of all time, probably. Here's the thing about true GOATS: they let their game talk, not their tweets or corny interviews. They definitely don't ask for respect, they go out and take it
@@stavrospavlides2093 Yes, I agree that Bron speaks a bit too much for his own good at times and Jordan didn't say much but that's just a personality and era difference. In MJ era, there was no social media and basketball news wasn't covered like today. We know what Lebron is every week for past 22 years!! Lebron has enough respect and took it the day he dropped 25 straight points on Pistons 17 years ago. He does not need your validation. Bron is GOAT for many for valid reasons but yall keep talking shiii to those people. We don't care about you. All hail King LeGOAT James!
The 90s Bulls is what made me fall in love with the game and anyone who was compared to mj, I did not like. Especially LeBron and Kobe. That said. They are both in the top 5 players of all time who I got to watch play the game and rivalries is what makes the game basketball passionate for us fans.
I don't understand why they compare these two players because they played in different era's and they both play different positions and Jordan won six rings and Lebron only won four rings but Jordan never lost in the Finals and Lebron lost six times. And on a side note I have a you tube channel type in Russell Mills May 22, 2017 to find me.
Nice video, but you really only highlighted one aspect of LeBron, which is “longevity”. In the grand scheme of things, he is a fantastic hall of fame player, no doubt. But ultimately, I don’t see him as being any “better” than other legendary players such as Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, or even Tim Duncan to be honest. I think it’s “unfair” to place sooo much weight on the fact that he played longer than anyone else, when he came straight out of high school. This takes away from players like Jordan who had a very successful college basketball career, or others who simply came at a time when coming straight out of high school wasn’t allowed by the NBA. Last but not least, riddle me this…what’s the point of playing so long, if you can’t achieve more championships with all that time? He’s like 4 and 17 when it comes to rings, and 2 of those he had two piggyback off D wades already built championship Miami heat team before he got there. I’m sorry but I’m just not that impressed by that. 🤷🏾♂️
@ not really. This is something we also should be paying attention to. The fact that LeBron had to switch teams multiple times to get his championships should not go overlooked. Kobe didn’t have to do that, nor Steph Curry, nor Tim Duncan or Jordan. I think showing loyalty to the team and the city should account for something as well. It’s the reason jerseys get hung from the rafters when players retire. It’s a metric I still respect and admire at least, maybe others don’t anymore.
@@jimrobinson145 Kareem switched teams, Shaq switched teams, Kobe and Duncan tried to switch multiple times. Their loyalty was earned. Their teams respected their demands. Cavs in 2010 didnt. They couldnt built a competent roster around a generational talent like Lebron in SEVEN years and where going nowhere, along with a disrespectful owner who was cheap and felt like Lebron owed something to him personally. We gotta stop treating basketball like its an individual sport because it belittles everyone who took part in something great. So many other people have to do their jobs well than just the star players to win a championship.
@@jimrobinson145 Lebron never wanted to leave Cleveland but had to because they showed no signs of being serious in helping him win. This is why he came back when they were finally in a position to make moves and win championships for them. If Kyrie was more mature and stayed, Lebron would have probably never left either and theyd have won together again. You think MJ or Kobe would have stayed if their teams were as bad as the clippers or hornets of back then?
@ Well, let’s not kid ourselves. Players like Jordan, Steph curry and others did not exactly walk into superstar caliber teams from day one. So everyone had their challenges one way or the other. My point was simply that those who did manage to earn championships, while remaining on one team to do it. Deserve respect for doing so as it is a feat that many cannot achieve (including LeBron). So when you think of players like Dirk Norwitzki, who earned championships and stayed on the same team for 21 seasons straight, That’s impressive. Or players like magic Johnson or Isaiah Thomas, who earned multiple championships and wore the same jersey all the way to retirement, that’s something worth acknowledging. Or last but not least, the great Bill Russel who earned an amazing 11 rings, and wore a Celtics jersey from start to finish. This caliber of player should always be recognized in a GOAT debate. Now obviously it doesn’t count for everything, and being the GOAT includes more than just that. However, I feel that whomever we hail as the top tier players of all time, should get points added, or deducted, for that kind of stat as well.
His longevity is impressive, but there are a few marks against it. One: PED’s. Not proven yet, but super suspicious. Recovery therapeutics are vastly superior the last 20 years Two: “load management” run amuck. Lebrons missed TWO YEARS worth of games. Old ballers didn’t miss games. Three: less physical game in his later years. Four: he got a much younger start than anyone the generation before had the opportunity to do.
Where are the chips! Longevity without chips is like going 73-9 in the regular season and not winning the championship that same season! Good player yes, but again all those years and only 4 chips is weak as hell for a player that’s supposed to be of his so-called caliber.
@@jlshine17 Organizations and teams win chips, not players. This is a 5 v 5 sport, not tennis or golf. By that metric, Bill Russell is the undisputed GOAT and Robert Horry > Jordan
@ U sir are wrong.. lebron has been a star and heavily involved in who he plays with. Don’t give me that crap about 5v5 and organization building championships. This guy is known for holding teams hostage and having ppl moved to bring in who he wants. U can save ur statements because a guy that is supposed to be as great as ppl claim Lebum is should have more chips than what he has. No goat or greatest in any other sport is 4-10 in their finals but ur so called “Queen”. Ppl need to stop lowering the bar for this guy. Just face it he fell short. Accept it. Longevity and stat padding has never been the bar. I don’t hear u giving Kareem that same energy.
@@jlshine17 He has been involved, because the Cavs were a trash organization. Being "LeGm" is a burden not a flex. MJ never had to worry about his roster to demand players because the bulls always made sure to build deep teams even when he wasnt there in 94' to 95'. Steph had Klay, Dray and Steve Kerr to build a legacy with. Lebron had larry hughes and fat old Shaq, never drafted a costar till he left for Miami. Then when he came back and started building something, KD rigged the league and guaranteed him and Steph multiple rings. Kyrie was immature and selfish and left Lebron hanging only to regret it to this day. When MJ came back, he came back to an already stacked team and culture built by Phil. Add in a watered down league with FIVE expansion teams from 88-95, and no other comparable teams besides Houston, the League was practically handed to MJ. And the League wanted MJ to win because he sold the most shoes and mcdonalds burgers. Reporters who spoke ill of MJ were fired or ruined on some illuminati shit. I love MJ as a bulls fan but im not a blind worshipper thinking he did it all by himself against the best competition.
LeBron is like Darth Vader. Love to hate him. He will never be the Goat but deserves the respect for his career achievements if you are a fan of basketball. MJ is the greatest athlete across all sports. LeBron should never be in the conversation.
It's hard to appreciate someone who begs to be appreciated, especially when they lie, flop, and complain as much as Lebron. I know he's an all-time great but shut up already. Also if he's the GOAT then I'm a mountain goat
Most turnovers of all time Most missed shot of all time Most all stars played with and lost finals That longevity is going to hurt him more in the long run.
I personally will be happy when this guy retires! This dude has softened the NBA with his team jumping patterns, and he somehow always seems to be in the news… maybe the NBA ratings will start to go up whenever they find someone/something else to talk about.🤞
I don't like LeBron, I hate him, but I respect him. In addition to the asteroid and everything that allowed him to have a long career, he may be statistically a better player than MJ, but that doesn't make you the best of all time. Perhaps the second best of all time, and for some, it may share first place with MJ.
LeBron’s longevity is something we will never see again… LeBron is putting up 23 points and the age of 40 that’s unheard of…
I'm a Bulls fan from the Chi, but my first memory was Lebron vs the Bulls sometime in 04', after I got a "King James" comic as a present. Went from a fan to a generational hater in his miami years, back to a fan after 2016. He's 1B to MJ's 1A in my opinion.
Feel like that was the case for a lot of Bulls fans in the early 2000’s
Bro don’t u live in a senoir citizen home
1a 1b for sure. I swing LeBron because of the longevity and playmaking. Jordan’s defence and scoring is so otherworldly as well it’s just so close. really can’t complain either way 🤷🏾♂️
Lebrons my favorite player but i still think jordan all time is better. I just dont wanna turn into a oldhead who hates on the next generation of players. Its a cycle i feel like. I've seen clips of wilt and walt Frazier saying the same stuff about jordan back in the day as they do about lebron today. But eventually ik as time goes on there's gonna be a player better than jordan and lebron or whoever else you think is the goat.
@@romansheoships2716 Jordan will always have a better track record, because he was always on the best team in the league. Everything from the coach to the system, to the depth on the roster, was revolutionary.
Some stars like Duncan and Steph get that kind of godly draft luck to a top organization. Lebron just flat out never had that in CLE and had to take the reigns, for better of worse. Its insane and sad to me that CLE has done a better job building around Mitchell in 3 years than they did in 7 years with a generational young talent.
By year 7, the Bulls finished building the first dynasty team around Jordan. Lebron was given a 38 year old overweight Shaq. I wouldve have left too and never come back
LeBron is greatest player of all time.
Not quite
Most entitled player of all time maybe. Greatest diva of all time, probably. Here's the thing about true GOATS: they let their game talk, not their tweets or corny interviews. They definitely don't ask for respect, they go out and take it
The greatest player? U gotta be kidding
No…
@@stavrospavlides2093 Yes, I agree that Bron speaks a bit too much for his own good at times and Jordan didn't say much but that's just a personality and era difference. In MJ era, there was no social media and basketball news wasn't covered like today. We know what Lebron is every week for past 22 years!! Lebron has enough respect and took it the day he dropped 25 straight points on Pistons 17 years ago. He does not need your validation. Bron is GOAT for many for valid reasons but yall keep talking shiii to those people. We don't care about you. All hail King LeGOAT James!
I wholeheartedly agree! Great video!
Earliest childhood basketball memory was Paxson's game winner in game 6 1993 finals
Another great one
The 90s Bulls is what made me fall in love with the game and anyone who was compared to mj, I did not like. Especially LeBron and Kobe. That said. They are both in the top 5 players of all time who I got to watch play the game and rivalries is what makes the game basketball passionate for us fans.
Currys a more important player in his era and is tied for rings with one franchise. LeBron will never be mj. Glad his eternal career is almost over.
Nice. My first memory was the 1991 Bulls Lakers game #1...
I wish I remember that series
Can I admit I appreciate his body of work, yet still basically hate him?
Nah, I feel you. The guy still bothers me in a lot regards but I appreciate and recognize his game as one of the greatest to ever do it
To me he’s the greatest of all Time
LeBron James goat 22 sesaon happy birthday 🎂 Grastest player all time 40 years older 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
LeGOAT
THE REASON WHY IS THE CONDITIONING AND THE WAYS PLAYERS TAKE CARE OF THEY SELVES MORE NOW AND TECHNOLOGY HAD A LOT TO DO WITH IT
I don't understand why they compare these two players because they played in different era's and they both play different positions and Jordan won six rings and Lebron only won four rings but Jordan never lost in the Finals and Lebron lost six times. And on a side note I have a you tube channel type in Russell Mills May 22, 2017 to find me.
Michael JordanIt’s the best
Dont retire Bron pls Im begging you 😭
LBJ is the 🐐. I don't know y all them people hate on him. Just like you did for nothing
Nice video, but you really only highlighted one aspect of LeBron, which is “longevity”.
In the grand scheme of things, he is a fantastic hall of fame player, no doubt. But ultimately, I don’t see him as being any “better” than other legendary players such as Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, or even Tim Duncan to be honest.
I think it’s “unfair” to place sooo much weight on the fact that he played longer than anyone else, when he came straight out of high school. This takes away from players like Jordan who had a very successful college basketball career, or others who simply came at a time when coming straight out of high school wasn’t allowed by the NBA.
Last but not least, riddle me this…what’s the point of playing so long, if you can’t achieve more championships with all that time? He’s like 4 and 17 when it comes to rings, and 2 of those he had two piggyback off D wades already built championship Miami heat team before he got there. I’m sorry but I’m just not that impressed by that. 🤷🏾♂️
@@jimrobinson145 your last paragraph shows your lack of objectivity and delegitimizes your entire argument
@ not really. This is something we also should be paying attention to. The fact that LeBron had to switch teams multiple times to get his championships should not go overlooked. Kobe didn’t have to do that, nor Steph Curry, nor Tim Duncan or Jordan. I think showing loyalty to the team and the city should account for something as well. It’s the reason jerseys get hung from the rafters when players retire. It’s a metric I still respect and admire at least, maybe others don’t anymore.
@@jimrobinson145 Kareem switched teams, Shaq switched teams, Kobe and Duncan tried to switch multiple times. Their loyalty was earned. Their teams respected their demands. Cavs in 2010 didnt.
They couldnt built a competent roster around a generational talent like Lebron in SEVEN years and where going nowhere, along with a disrespectful owner who was cheap and felt like Lebron owed something to him personally.
We gotta stop treating basketball like its an individual sport because it belittles everyone who took part in something great. So many other people have to do their jobs well than just the star players to win a championship.
@@jimrobinson145 Lebron never wanted to leave Cleveland but had to because they showed no signs of being serious in helping him win. This is why he came back when they were finally in a position to make moves and win championships for them. If Kyrie was more mature and stayed, Lebron would have probably never left either and theyd have won together again.
You think MJ or Kobe would have stayed if their teams were as bad as the clippers or hornets of back then?
@ Well, let’s not kid ourselves. Players like Jordan, Steph curry and others did not exactly walk into superstar caliber teams from day one. So everyone had their challenges one way or the other.
My point was simply that those who did manage to earn championships, while remaining on one team to do it. Deserve respect for doing so as it is a feat that many cannot achieve (including LeBron).
So when you think of players like Dirk Norwitzki, who earned championships and stayed on the same team for 21 seasons straight, That’s impressive.
Or players like magic Johnson or Isaiah Thomas, who earned multiple championships and wore the same jersey all the way to retirement, that’s something worth acknowledging.
Or last but not least, the great Bill Russel who earned an amazing 11 rings, and wore a Celtics jersey from start to finish. This caliber of player should always be recognized in a GOAT debate.
Now obviously it doesn’t count for everything, and being the GOAT includes more than just that. However, I feel that whomever we hail as the top tier players of all time, should get points added, or deducted, for that kind of stat as well.
His longevity is impressive, but there are a few marks against it.
One: PED’s. Not proven yet, but super suspicious. Recovery therapeutics are vastly superior the last 20 years
Two: “load management” run amuck. Lebrons missed TWO YEARS worth of games. Old ballers didn’t miss games.
Three: less physical game in his later years.
Four: he got a much younger start than anyone the generation before had the opportunity to do.
I got Kobe as the Goat I a biased Lakers fan
I think after his terrible on/off numbers this season showing his team is worse with him playing, he just needs to be done…
Where are the chips! Longevity without chips is like going 73-9 in the regular season and not winning the championship that same season! Good player yes, but again all those years and only 4 chips is weak as hell for a player that’s supposed to be of his so-called caliber.
I'm a lebron james fan and I totally agree 💯 percent 👌🏽 💯
@@jlshine17 Organizations and teams win chips, not players. This is a 5 v 5 sport, not tennis or golf. By that metric, Bill Russell is the undisputed GOAT and Robert Horry > Jordan
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U sir are wrong.. lebron has been a star and heavily involved in who he plays with. Don’t give me that crap about 5v5 and organization building championships. This guy is known for holding teams hostage and having ppl moved to bring in who he wants. U can save ur statements because a guy that is supposed to be as great as ppl claim Lebum is should have more chips than what he has. No goat or greatest in any other sport is 4-10 in their finals but ur so called “Queen”. Ppl need to stop lowering the bar for this guy. Just face it he fell short. Accept it. Longevity and stat padding has never been the bar. I don’t hear u giving Kareem that same energy.
@@jlshine17 He has been involved, because the Cavs were a trash organization. Being "LeGm" is a burden not a flex. MJ never had to worry about his roster to demand players because the bulls always made sure to build deep teams even when he wasnt there in 94' to 95'. Steph had Klay, Dray and Steve Kerr to build a legacy with.
Lebron had larry hughes and fat old Shaq, never drafted a costar till he left for Miami. Then when he came back and started building something, KD rigged the league and guaranteed him and Steph multiple rings. Kyrie was immature and selfish and left Lebron hanging only to regret it to this day.
When MJ came back, he came back to an already stacked team and culture built by Phil. Add in a watered down league with FIVE expansion teams from 88-95, and no other comparable teams besides Houston, the League was practically handed to MJ. And the League wanted MJ to win because he sold the most shoes and mcdonalds burgers. Reporters who spoke ill of MJ were fired or ruined on some illuminati shit. I love MJ as a bulls fan but im not a blind worshipper thinking he did it all by himself against the best competition.
LeBron is like Darth Vader. Love to hate him. He will never be the Goat but deserves the respect for his career achievements if you are a fan of basketball. MJ is the greatest athlete across all sports. LeBron should never be in the conversation.
Already the goat
It's hard to appreciate someone who begs to be appreciated, especially when they lie, flop, and complain as much as Lebron. I know he's an all-time great but shut up already. Also if he's the GOAT then I'm a mountain goat
Jar Jar Binks more like it.
You did not include him using PEDs.
Most turnovers of all time
Most missed shot of all time
Most all stars played with and lost finals
That longevity is going to hurt him more in the long run.
I personally will be happy when this guy retires! This dude has softened the NBA with his team jumping patterns, and he somehow always seems to be in the news… maybe the NBA ratings will start to go up whenever they find someone/something else to talk about.🤞
Lol nba views will decrease when lbj retires for sure
I don't like LeBron, I hate him, but I respect him. In addition to the asteroid and everything that allowed him to have a long career, he may be statistically a better player than MJ, but that doesn't make you the best of all time. Perhaps the second best of all time, and for some, it may share first place with MJ.
Hate is a strong word, especially if you don't know him personally
"hes not human really? until the lakers loose in the playoffs again and then its "oh hes 40 what do you expect him to still be"
Stop hatin man. Just appreciate greatness. I'm pretty sure you can't even get a hard on when you reach 40. If you know what I mean