Disrespecting flusha’s clips by comparing his to leaf’s/ vanity. These clips aren’t even suspicious and happens to most players who have a good game sense. One of the leaf’s clips was literally him checking heaven for bullet tracers or thinking that smoke was going to fade. One of Vanity’s clips were him literally positioning his cross hair on an angle he is about to check (dust II). People need to realize that coincidences happen. Atleast you could of actually argued over flusha’s clips since he has gotten insane wall bangs and literally tracing an enemy through the wall for like a solid 2 seconds. Meanwhile these guys haven’t even killed the enemies they have so called “aimbotted” on.
The whole “locks” concept is bs. Rewatching 2sec clips at 0.25x speed over and over decontextualizes random movements and common reactions to stimuli. Just complete nonsense
It could just be a cat jumped on his desk or he looked over his shoulder and he moved his mouse. I’m sure if you analyze anyone’s play this closely there’s some really sketchy moments
Ethan _ thats kind of what im saying, i haven’t watched the video yet, but i always say, even one of the worst players in the world will do suspicious plays, weirdly sketchy things, or even just get lucky and look like they’re hacking if they play a ton and are always being recorded haha Edit: and obviously it would happen a lot more for pros as they know placements and audio cues, etc.
1st clip: “oh that’s just a coincidence” 2nd: clip: “for me, it’s just a coincidence” 3th: “humm... strange, might be a coincidence” 4,5,6,7(...): “just a coincidence for me” (...)200: “that’s definitely a coincidence!”
@@radsebaham2003 I can't say he is not cheating, but most clips are utterly BS and can't be cheated. As an example the inferno clip can't be cheated since wh and aimlock won't go as far and detect players in CT area, while you are balcony. Most of the clips have the exact same problem.
@@Bloodseeker9000 actually that's customizable. Most quality hacks allows you to configure what range it can catch the enemy, you can even assign buttons to different ranges
I agree that all the clips can be explained by being a coincidence, but what I think is strange is the amount of coincidences in such a short period of time, that's unheard of. Even for the most sus (but clean) pro players it will take months or years to accumulate this amount of sus clips, but these were recorded in less than a week, in just 2 games. This is what is really shady to me
lol, yea they werent cheating, if they were using legit cheats they would have rcs and they would be using low settings, with an even half decent cheat you will never lock through walls.
not rlly because you can adjust lock and also hit chance as well because i hack when bored on mm and i doubt that a cheat would go for head like that unless it was configed like that so i doubt its cheats and some can make it so it doesn't flick through walls/smoke so i highly doubt he is cheating
i kind of agree with you, however there is a huge difference between casual players and pros, we have to keep that in mind, for me its still pretty suspecious
If there was just one incident in the whole match, no it wouldn't be a conviction in OW. Additionally in OW you see people clearly walling and aim-boting, here what we see is just an info lock some pros are doing...or...nothing, just a coincidence. Personally I find all these locks quite suspicious and as they say "there is no smoke without fire" :)
No... A better solution would be a mouse position spoofer. A mandatory sofware that uses Window's mouse position and compares it with the game mouse position if they don't match, you have aim asssist
@@moth5799 I agree, but one solution relays on evidence scrubbing and the other one is an automated method. I'm an automation engineer I have a bias, if I was a surgeon I would be proposing to cut something up :P
@@Hdx64 Makes sense, the software could be faked though, or you could use a non-windows operating system and make it look like windows (on online, not at LAN ofc)
@@teknoizer1 sounds like you just really hate this guy. The only sus clip in the entire video was the eyeball. One suspicious action does not = cheater.
Not only that but he was crouched while shooting so him going up after uncrouching is normal and everyone can get a little jittery in intensive games, he may have just had a lot of adrenaline going though him, I think it would be a good idea to record there hands while they play, since you could calculate the distance he would need to move his mouse for the ingame flick to take place.
@@eronleung valorants anticheat is just as bad if not worse than csgo's tbh and there were already multiple cases of pros being caught cheating and or trying to get personal cheats made for valorant when switching from csgo a few videos have been taken down but yeah i think more csgo players got caught trying to get valorant cheats than got caught for actually using them tho xd that said i dont follow any of this closely and id have to watch leaf personally before i could say im sure but doing well in valorant by no means clears suspicion if anything for me it makes it seem more likely
My Input on these Clips: Sorry for my bad eng. 1.Like you said he’s just preparing to peek long nothing fishy. 2.Common thing to aim in the middle instead of holding 1 Angle so you got less way to either angle. 3.First Kill got called and he probably just tried to see if he can hit him in water or see anything “If your mate can shoot him he might be higher on the bank therefore aiming a little higher makes sense” And for the heaven guy he saw the flash coming out of heaven so he just pre aimed it. 4. For this one i got the juice. So at first i was thinking he missed the spray, and he accidentally didn’t pull to the left until i realised the 8th bullet goes to the top left not right. But his weapon stayed in position when the 8&9 Bullet came out and right after that the gun moved up a lot while the recoil still kicked in. So due to the fact that hes prolly a metal bender and that his bullet flew to a direction it wasn’t supposed to if we would have watched his in-game vision i would have said it’s silent aim but obviously this is recorded over the spectator accounts. So my guess would be a recoil control script + Aimbot, so the spray goes towards the enemy before the actual aim does. 5. First kill obviously nothing wrong with that guy is in the open nothing spectacular. What looks weird is the fact that he overshot the enemies a mile trough the wall just to snap back to his head. But that could just be him moving up his move for a better position on the mouse pad. “Alot of low sense player know what i mean” 6. Nothing wrong with that missed quite a lot of bullets and overshot again. 7.Also just looks like mouse lifting tbf. 8.Alright again.. Full blind killing people can be pure luck ofc and nothing wrong with that but again his recoil control while being blind was on point. So if you slow the footage down where he was blind and look how the spray goes for a couple bullets. he kills him and pulled away from the enemie into a wall where his whole spray pattern goes ape shit and perfect again in just a small amount of time. And then he does the same to the last person where he completely fucks up his spray but still manages to hit the enemy but ofc its monster and we all sprayed trough that before and killed somebody. 9.They moved at the same speed stuff like that just happens and its normal. 10. Again could be just mouse lifting at a bad time. Considering it’s a 1vs5 he probably was killed and he just went for some random shots. “Aswell as i think if you play the clip slower you are able to see the enemi’s foot on the right side just a split second. But also if you slow it down you can see his aim moving with the enemy. 11. And again his recoil is saving his ass. But if you look where he shoot at for taco “the guy defusing” He is way above the head again but it hits perfectly. “ But this also happened to all of us before. 12. So he is about to shoot the guy right in front of him instead he completely locks onto the enemy behind that guy and tries to pull away from it instead of shooting the guy completely jumping trough his vision. This can also be just luck again.Alright. So do i think he is cheating? Yes & No.There is a lot going on in these matches and a lot can be just pure Luck and timing we all seen it and we all had it even if we dont know. But i also would love to see some regular gameplay from him besides only completely fishy clips behind each other. What cheats do i think he has? I highly doubt he got anything besides an Aimbot with a lot of smoothing and a recoil control system. Yes you can be really good with recoil until a certain point where it looks like this guy is the next avatar. Would i say hes cheating in Overwatch? No. Why? because we would only see 1 of these in Overwatch and not all of these clips in one game. Do i think they should ban him? NO. Absolutely not. As long as these Events or CSGO doesnt get their cheater problem under control i don’t think any of the cheaters should be banned by just how they play. “As long as you can’t 100% prove it aka Spin botter or people shooting trough walls or esp, etc.” I also think you should have slowed down a lot more of the clips since you could have to get way more info on what happened. Neither the less great video! Sorry for my Bad Eng im just trying to give my opinion." Trying my best. - Chris / Germany
People that don't know shit about how cheats work dismissing the situation. And also people are comparing it to Flusha, except you guys forget Flusha played CSGO for 8 years and has less suspicious clips than Leaf. Also Flusha has played LAN while Leaf hasn't. Let's see how long he can keep the performance.
@@8b993rd even with 1600 edpi, you really got to be a bad player to "adjust" so much.. It just does not make sense. If he where a silver with no control over his sens you could agrue that.. But this is a "pro" we are talking about. never have I se a half decent player do that
The flick leaf does to heaven is normal but looks strange when he moves the crosshair to the wall and looks like "Ooh shit im aiming att him trough the smoke"
Well, my perspective about Leaf and his weird flick is: He was spraying down, right? He might've lost mouse space and when he dragged it back to his mouse pad it flicked at that spot coincidentally OR he placed it back in the middle of the pad and that weird flick happened.
im not trying to be rude, but i don't think you play cs that much!! spray pattern in cs is not that big on any mouse pad you can even do it on a 20 cm mouse pad ! and he didn't flick or anything so hes mouse was centered when he started spraying.... saying all this i don't wanna say hes cheating but if these demos are 32 tick then he might be fine cause 32 tick will only save the kill shot and will not care about the rest but if they are more than that then i would say the mirage stairs kill was definitely fishy cause the spray is not even consistent and those lock one are little bit too fishy even that A site on dustII cause he adjusts to his target every time these weird flicks happen again if im a coder and i want to code a cheat to use in an important event ill dress it up to fool the public and if he was cheating then he did it very smartly look at adjustments after each lock on !
@@amirorang1647 That depends entirely on your EDPI and where your hand was position on the mousepad before you started spraying - e.g. in this case he is stood on stairs looking down towards monster so hand already moved down on the mousepad. Follow that with the next ~12 AK bullets and you're at the bottom of the spray which is quite far down. The weirder part for me is - Move your mouse to the bottom of your scree AND the bottom of your mousepad. Now lift your mouse up and place it at the top of your mouse pad. Notice how your mouse on screen doesn't move at all? Yup, readjusting your mouse does nothing to your current mouse position.
@@amirorang1647 that would mean I cheat too.. I play alot of cs and I don't use whole mouse pad tho mate.. And it's bcs your arm needs to be in right position you can see alot of pros using only top of their mouse pad and having their arm in one position...
the lock on is for intel not for killing the flick on the eye of the monster is the best exemple but is can be mouse reposition and the sensor pick up the last inch
One tournament you can have multiple moments of lucky. Anyone could be cheating that's always been a possibility. A lot is at stake so it'd make sense from a financial stand point. Only two things I would say looks like something I would question and that's what real luck is. We've seen tournaments where pros are on a streak of doing stupid pre fire but some times you are just on point with game sense. We've seen some nutty things in esports. While I would be surprised if they were cheating I wouldn't condemn them with out real proof.
That's a terrible way to think of things, because it fails to take in other variables. When you get so used to aiming at a certain corner because people tend to stand there, you start pre-aiming that corner more and more to the point where you can envision exactly where head level is even while being behind layers of wall between you and that corner. This is known as pre-fire positions. And notice how I said, because people tend to stand there. Pre-fire positions are pre-fire positions because they're common positions to hold, so when you know someone COULD be holding a certain position, and it's more likely that they're in that position than any other, you aim at that position through a wall. This is for the same reason that you keep your crosshair at head level, so you barely have to adjust your mouse to get the kill. Not to mention, when coincidences like these happen again and again, it's probably because of the fact that these pros spend 8 hours a day practicing their game. Yes, a lot of coincidences in a short amount of time is sketchy, but coincidences over a long period of time is not, and these guys have triple, if not sextuple the hours of any human being that just plays for fun, like yourself.
About the first clip on D2: imagine you're doing a legit play when you get to the corner preparing to shoot at the door. You suddenly face an opponent and your aim is luckily straight to his head. Why the heck would you jump, move your aim to the wall and then move it back to your opponent? That's at least a very, very suspicious reaction of a pro player
reaction time mate think about it your expecting in your head a guy door then you realise shit could be 1 close so you look close think you didnt see anything and then you look back door and then your brain reacts to seeing the guy so you look back at him
Could be expecting a flash, guy was running so they both heard each other, and these guys are pros, been playing for years, they’ve gotten so good they can anticipate where head level would be, and how fast they’re going, I would do the same thing, look away for a split second, the jump is weird but it may be habit, you never know
@@AK-hb5wl I probably would do the same, but I'm far from being a good player. When you're a pro, you don't do that weird stuff. When a pro turns a corner and their aim is in the head of their opponent they just shoot. If a flash comes, they keep shooting in the last direction they spotted the enemy. I can't tell if Chaos' boys are cheating, but their movements are pretty strange. Let's see their performance when the first lan tournament comes
Leonardo Garcia ik I’m Late but I just wanted to say that he was pre aiming the Long doors. the reason he jumps is because he’s trying to do some sort of jiggle around the corner.
except he doesn't flick to head level the second time since a normal person would do it twice instead of just once. If this team had the foresight to do half the prefires they did (if they are not hacking), then there would be no point in aiming at the railing.
@@smogblazer4509 you know that people JUMP out of the heaven right?, there would be no point in head level aim and its better to keep it a bit below to spray them falling. if he peeks slowly he is an easy target with no vision since its smoked
He sees the flash being thrown, pros often look out for these things and have even trained themselves to listen for pins being pulled. You can see he reacts to where the flash was thrown from, and then he turns away. In slow mo you can see how much the flash stands out against the grey of the smoke making it even easier to see. A lot of pros sit really close to their screens too, I imagine he saw that flash's model looking much more obvious to his eyes than ours.
@@smogblazer4509 dude you are trying so hard on all these threads! give up alrdy, there is certainly not enough evidence to convict the guy of cheating (unless you are a silver, then there is no point arguing with you)
Well, I think some of them might be coincidental, mainly the first one. However, it’s strange how it happened many times in a BO3 Also, the game they played recently on Nuke (can’t remember the enemy team), makes it veeeeery strange that they just got 10x worse.
You said coincidence way to much for it to be so. I understand that holding a common angle can look sus if someone is about to peak. But there is to many locks on in completely random areas.
Very well said bro i have seen bigger pros doing the same thing like the infamous flusha we all know that i thinks this many coincidents are just way far to be true
i must admit that some of the clips are suspicious but we shouldn't acuse them for cheating yet and they do not deserve all the dead threats tho not cool just wait for the admins to clarify if they are 100% cheating or no
No point for admin to verify if the cheat can be toggle on and off via crouch, jump button or tab. Also, if he use the cheat that cost 300 usd and above it is literally undetect in online match unlike the 20 usd ezfrag that forsaken use. Just look at the redbull tournament, literally the reason they get banned is due to being so obvious that it get manual ban.
Admins and Valve doesnt give a shit, so many points of attack for the hack, their practice PC has access to internet, no handcam, 1 guy to watch 5 ppl. Hacks are Big bussiness when you pay 30000$+ for custom tailored hack plus a cut from what you make from wins otherwise you get snitched.
remember, nearly everyone gets called out for cheats in the pro/semi-pro scene and aside from a couple nearly all are just coincidental. anyone remember flusha on cache?
We know that pro players sometimes have some suspicious plays, but why so many in just one BO3? Also, in the same season, there are other matches that the same players have other suspicious plays... too many locks on random areas, on the wall, through smoke... something is not right
@@dixonyamada6969 if you rlöy think that flusha can A. Cheat for a period of time and then play just as good for YEARS on YEARS w/o them or getting banned or B. Cheat for sooo long contiously then youre just nothing more than a completely lost silver scrub with absolutely 0 braincells. Flusha 100% cleared his name by remaining a top csgo pro for years long after people dug up those clips and accused him of cheating. The mental gymnastics necessary to construct a story where its actually plausible that flusha cheated are insane.
The amount of times you said "coincidence" and "lucky" in this video about clips of just one series lol. That said, I don't think he's cheating, but some of the clips are weird
@@rapakko And the fact that there are 5 players in multiple gunfights per round + even more opportunities to "lock" for info + roughly 23 rounds per game probs + multiple games per series... Honestly, you could make vids like these quite often pretty easily
ARN it’s literally just because of high sens. I can literally go into any pro game and find ten times where a pros crosshair is on someone through a smoke or wall. Then I just have to clip it and bang ez cheat accusation
i dont think they are cheating. in multiple times we've seen pros aim at people through walls, it can either be coincidence or just great awereness, that's why they are pros and we are not. and for those saying that if this was overwatched, they'd be banned...yeah possibly, but the thing is, for a casual, or even a decent global elite to play like them they'd be cheating, you can't expect normal/good players to behave the same way as pros, if that makes any sense
I don't think they're cheating aswell. I mean one just has to look at their own demo and realize, that stuff like this always happens, since CSGO is fast paced and youre always flicking around. Nobody has perfect aim nor crosshairplacement, which is why these accidents happen in the first place.
Or a LOT of "pros" cheat. When theres that much money on the table, youll use whatever gets you the advantage. Just like sports and roids. Do you really think there is a SINGLE SPORTS PRO that isnt juicing?
I agree that we can't be 100% sure that they are cheating, although I'm conviced some of the pro scenes where they flicked to someone through a wall were cheated, Flusha for example. I think that guy was cheating at some point, that's just my opinion. What I don't agree with is, that a decent global elite has to cheat to be as good as a pro. I have about 7500 hours in the game, going up and down in FaceIt from level 7-10. I have screenshots of me beating pros like JW or youtubers like MrTweeday with 37 kills on the board. I have hit some nutty shots, just would have definitely gotten me banned when I would have played normal machtmaking. The problem is not everyone is as considerate as TimeIsButAWindow, many people jump to conclusions too fast or just think that a "normal" player can't be this good. I'm speaking from experience, as my first ever account actually got overwatch banned a few years after release. ScreaM has a overwatch banned account, too. The system is not foolproof and you should really consider if you would decide the same wether you know someone is a professional player or an overwatch case without a name.
@@sideskroll you do know that b4 the quarentine they played only on competition pcs that had nothing but cs, and they use programs on that pcs that dont allow any other program to execute? Plus, there are referees on the games, watching all your moves. you cant just cheat like that, you really think pros want to throw their careers on the trash just to get their companies a little more money?
@@sydra5454 you really think weightlifters, soccer players, gymnasts want to to throw their MUCH MORE REAL careers down the drain? Listen, I dont know much about any specific team or player on cs (I play the game because I like it. Ever since the first beta back in the 90s) but if youre for ONE SECOND trying to argue that "pros" MUST BE legit because pros youre either too naive or a conplete imbecile. And like I said, Im talking about ANYTHING at pro level.
I was very surprised when I watched this video and realized it was about "Leaf", because I watched "Leaf" during some Pro games on ESL in the past and thought him a very, very suspicious player. I also have to state that I don't think an entire pro team is cheating here and that you did every rational thing to try to explain the shown clips.
i feel the strangest thing is that they always flick away right after they "lock on" to the heads ,but well you can still see that the aim is a few pixels away from the heads
Doesn't it seem suspicious to you that every single aimlock is at the top left side of enemy's head? Its because they set it this way. If you think something is coincidental then why is every single "coincidental" lock on top left of the head?
@@LeGiTcs nah. Back in 2017 i use a lot of cheat, paid and free, i can tell him he's innocent because that's not how aimlock works. It looks too natural to be a bot
@@mechworriorsmasterstreams6608 but forsaken tracked some1 thru a nonspammable box while shooting like 5 6 7 bullets lol plus he did have xtremely crisp aim so why wouldnt u check him then? lmao
i think for the monster eyeball clip, even i sometimes do this too, you spray an entire mag and your mouse is down on the mousepad right? so you quickly move it back to the original position and sometimes you overshoot that movement and then you need to readjust, i think that's what happened
3:55 it looks to me like he has A, high sensitivity, and B, like he was checking the back of the site for someone who would jump onto the box. It is a common enough angle... and it didnt even look like an aimlock. watching it slowed down it seemed like his crosshair was always moving, like it bounced around a bit. 7:42 i think this is when we need to see from the teammate perspective a bit. they could have seen the guy and it showed up on radar
Inferno clip, like u said he was checking the back of the site and there's vid about disproving this clip so i think Hes clear on this, but its suspicious cuz his crosshair is way above the box and the bounce of crosshair going up. Monster clip tho cant be explained.
which is why silvers shouldnt be the ones to judge ... if you sat and watched every pro game with x-ray on, every pro would be banned by your standards.
At 2:58 I do that "flick-up after spray" crosshair move or flick because when you control a spay long enough, then stop spraying AND controlling so you stop using the mouse and keyboard your crosshair will climb up the screen a bit because you technically were counter-moving it to the bottom. And one more thing, when you spray WITHOUT moving anything (spraying while standing still at a wall with NO control) the bullets and your crosshair goes up, and AFTER you STOP spraying (basically stop everything) the crosshair will go back DOWN to its original state because you were spraying. This 2nd thing I talked about right now is why I tend to flick up a little bit after I spray, just to make my crosshair go back to its original place a little bit faster so I can shoot after my recoil resets where I think my crosshair will be because I countered the recoil's reset move.
The info-locks are the new kind of cheats to keep the tournaments exiting. I've watched so many games and demos but those pixelperfect locks onto the heads and then tactically falling back to defending positions are very suspicious. Some day there will be a massive banwave. Until then we all just have to wait. That cheats are a huge problem for csgo is a fact.
Info lock is not a new thing. Lol. It is literally a soft aim assist but pro only use it as info since wallhack in tournament is too obvious especially in lan.
Not really. Not all crosshair placement is pure tracking of corners while peeking. A lot of the time, it makes sense to pre-aim certain spots before you actually clear them just to make sure your crosshair is on point.
last clip could of been running out of mouse pad space downward and he pulls his mouse up off the mat but enough for it to still know what is happening
The thing that make it the most suspicious is sometimes they look straight up like bots. Like aiming in the midle of nowhere without any logic instead of preaiming or holding the ungle.
That one when Leaf was Jungle in Mirage and killed PRT on Stairs, he took an early shot before he lined up PRT. there was a guy in Connector and possibly thought that early shot was meant for the guy in connector hence why they sent you the clip.
Or maybe just 16 tick, source engine has some ridiculous quirks that are only evident at 16 tick. Valve pls give source 2, we don't want engine based on 1990s.
i understand the ‘fast checking’ on inferno but what is the crosshair placement?? i mean as an average csgo player i wouldn’t have looked above the box
The Forsaken clips are in a completely different category. Look at when he locks onto someone, its extremely quick and snappy with zero shakiness. Leaf on the other hand has shakiness to it, LOTS of people snap their mouse after spraying and shooting.
@@Asbu666 even with 1600 edpi, you really got to be a bad player to "adjust" so much.. It just does not make sense. If he where a silver with no control over his sens you could agrue that.. But this is a "pro" we are talking about. never have I se a half decent player do that
Hey @timeisbutawindow, the eyeball clip is even weirder in my opinion. After this happened, you can see that his crosshair "resets" a little bit down when aiming tunnels again. It could have been an issue with his mouse sensor or the server as well, nonetheless this is extremely suspicious and we should keep an closer eye on this player.
I have similar playstyle... well not much of a playstyle... my hand just gets jerky while spraying due to the visual information of recoil. So, whenever i try to spray, i tend to do some weird shitty flicks to random spots in the middle and the end of the spray to recentre my crosshair.
I've seen you "convict" suspects on overwatches for much less evidence than this, i think you're being bias here John. Btw, on that triple kill on monster, its amazing how he flicks left spraying, and only hits enemys and not his team mate, even tho he is flashed =) Also, its amazing how he got more suspicious clips in just two games than most pro players in all their lifes.
@@gabaleaguiar91 If it's anyone but Brazlians accusing, I'd say it'd be blown way up than what we have rn 2bh. But no Brazlians has to give chaos both the moral edge and the compassion edge.
Coincidences like these happen sometimes. There are moments when I go through my highlights and I feel like some flicks look like aim lock when actually they are coincidental. The ones like 2:10 and 4:38 keep happening all the time. Maybe leaf was having just a bad day or something. I don't know if he had history like "forseken". I don't think any professional player would want to be another forseken just so as to meet the same fate as his.
The problem in this clips is the speed before and after the locks, how are you going to check an angle and immediately take your crosshair away ? For what I've seen this an aimlock with low fov, it's just too many clips for just 3 games.
I think that the eyeball flick was just because he was resetting his crosshair, he was crouched so he's standing up, and he was moving a little bit to the left up the ledge so all the movements combined the crosshair upwards motion becomes big. So in reality he just moved the crosshair a little bit up but with all the other things combined it just looks like a flick.
Why don't LAN tourneys have software on computers that logs all keylogs and programs running / inputs so if someone has aimkey built into mouse they can detect it from the input or key press?
A lot of these apparent aimlocks seem to follow the pattern of the overaim feature in aimlocks where it flicks past the target then adjusts pack onto it.
What i find suspecious, is how good and fishy they played, after being called out, there haven’t been a single suspicious clip + they lose everything that isn’t tier 4+
But once he gets killed by a better player than himself more than once in his own games then the enemy is cheating 100%, this guy is so stupid at times
I would assume the eyeball flick on monster would be caused by him pulling his mouse down to control recoil then lifting it but it picked up a little bit on his way to re-center his mouse
They are just normal person lol follow a person through wall and crosshair direct lock on next target. It just like an aimlock with small FOV setting or they are just using legit bot with wall hack.
A lot of clips can look suspect when the viewers already have “cheater” in the back of their minds from the title, I can’t say for sure but a lot of these clips are strange when slowed down and put into a cheating context.. so idk realy
agrre why they have so bad aimbots? Theyre smart not any kind of forsaken which is indian ( im not judging anyone, but, those pros are in the vid have brain )
90% of his flicks to enemies through walls are at the head I'm a cheater my self and its ez to hold that aim key for too long and then u get those lock ons
I don’t know too much about the mechanics of csgo so it could’ve been because he got hit by a bullet or something... but I think the very first clip was one of the most suspicious. The aimlock could’ve just been a pre-aim, that’s a very good possibility, but that also begs the question as to why he flicked away from the player before shooting??? Unless it was a forced flick due to being shot or something I would think it was compensation for an accidental aimlock; something to try and throw people off the scent.
I have adhd so I can sit and hold angles and sit still for long so I often pic up and readjust my mouse and it flicks up like what happened at monster on overpass
The difference between a cheat and years of training with skill boils down to something super simple: How "natural" does the crosshair moves? Cheats nowadays can be easily activated and deactivated and only a fool would think they can't do it.
I’ve watched chaos TH-cam channel for a while , they’re a dope team and they show the comms for games they play, you’d like their channel. I don’t accuse people of anything without evidenced beyond reasonable doubt and the overpass clip could be a crouch glitch on spectate, I’ve spectated people who look 3 feet tall and then the game randomly corrects it
The spray pattern of the AK goes down and to the left. He got to the left corner of his mousepad and moved it back to the middle. This happens to me all the time.
two years passed and they were never seen again, if they were really good they would manage to grow in the scene, not to mention that having so many coincidences of the same team is already suspicious in itself, not to mention that all of this was just a best of 3
One or two coincidences in like 20 matches or so, like Flusha or even Fallen on his early days are alright... but man, this many in 2 series in a row, coincidence and luck are things that happen once per a couple games, not like this.
honestly, I only saw two weird plays. That being the one where he aims on the player from monster and the one from balcony. As for the one towards heaven, he could see a flash coming from the smoke. Two weird players across 3 long maps is not that crazy. Yall mibr fans are mentally ill and are fkn worse than kpop stans
To be honest about that eye flick it could be a bad habit after he sprays, i do the same but after i spray i usually flick down and reset my spray. Maybe leaf has a similair habit like i have, remember we all are human and have habits.
The eyeball thing might aswell just be him moving his mouse as a result of stretching the arm after a spray but indeed it's not common to do so in the pro leagues...
Love how all the clips by the same team is just coincidenece especially when they randomly lock on to some one thru a wall, "but it could just be nade line up" when they aren't throwing one and are mid fight
Im just confused on why the lock ons happens so regularly. Unlike for other pros or teams it happens ocasionally but for them it happens so often. Im not an expert but it's just weird
I think leaf is cheating on half the flicks he stops firing after moving his mouse but only shoots like one or two bullets before realizing he locked onto the wrong person.
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I think every pro player need to have hand cam to see if he really flicks like that
not effective for high sensitivity players
@@GentleUwU true
Gentle most use relatively low also even if it’s high you will still see the flicks and stuff
Ico has good idea
@@GentleUwU still you need to move the mouse and their sense is known
Leaf is as suspicious as flusha in early years when he lifted his mouse a bit.
Flusha has 5 clips in his entire carrer, this guys has more "suspicious clips" in 3 maps
Lucas Wochner Soares they arent even suspicious though lmfao
This guy is the next Subroza
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Disrespecting flusha’s clips by comparing his to leaf’s/ vanity. These clips aren’t even suspicious and happens to most players who have a good game sense. One of the leaf’s clips was literally him checking heaven for bullet tracers or thinking that smoke was going to fade. One of Vanity’s clips were him literally positioning his cross hair on an angle he is about to check (dust II). People need to realize that coincidences happen. Atleast you could of actually argued over flusha’s clips since he has gotten insane wall bangs and literally tracing an enemy through the wall for like a solid 2 seconds. Meanwhile these guys haven’t even killed the enemies they have so called “aimbotted” on.
I feel like a lot of clips can look suspicious if you slow them down and play them back frame by frame.
There's a guy who claims people cheat with a yt channel. If your aim happens to be on them through a wall for 1 frame he'll call you out.
@@Fyr35555 Dan M
That overpass clip. On Monster. That really is suspecious even on x4 speed
Everything is sus with X ray
Exactly. Every single cs player has the flusha moments. These guys aren’t cheating.
Chaos -78 locks in a md3: "Just a flick"
Fallen - 8 locks in 10 years: "Hacker"
The whole “locks” concept is bs. Rewatching 2sec clips at 0.25x speed over and over decontextualizes random movements and common reactions to stimuli. Just complete nonsense
@@thefranklin6463 not to mention that demos are 16-32 ticks while pro matches are 128 ticks
@@RiamiAurum demos are same tickrate. same as when u watch stream. 128
@@xxtoxii9615 nah demos are actually 32 tic, streams are 128 tic but its still 60hz
@@RiamiAurum matching making demos are recorded in 32 ticks, but pro match are usually recorded at 128 ticks
the eye ball looked like he was standing up and resetting his aim.
Have you seen anyone else do that before? I surely haven't
It's to robot Ich to do just stand up
It could just be a cat jumped on his desk or he looked over his shoulder and he moved his mouse. I’m sure if you analyze anyone’s play this closely there’s some really sketchy moments
Exactly it could be anything, jerking the mouse after a spray could also be the explanation. And he wouldn't even remember that.
Ethan _ thats kind of what im saying, i haven’t watched the video yet, but i always say, even one of the worst players in the world will do suspicious plays, weirdly sketchy things, or even just get lucky and look like they’re hacking if they play a ton and are always being recorded haha
Edit: and obviously it would happen a lot more for pros as they know placements and audio cues, etc.
1st clip: “oh that’s just a coincidence”
2nd: clip: “for me, it’s just a coincidence”
3th: “humm... strange, might be a coincidence”
4,5,6,7(...): “just a coincidence for me”
(...)200: “that’s definitely a coincidence!”
Fr tho
xd he didnt want to say it that quick cuz some people may still protect him and say he doesnt cheat :D
@@radsebaham2003 I can't say he is not cheating, but most clips are utterly BS and can't be cheated. As an example the inferno clip can't be cheated since wh and aimlock won't go as far and detect players in CT area, while you are balcony. Most of the clips have the exact same problem.
@@Bloodseeker9000 actually that's customizable. Most quality hacks allows you to configure what range it can catch the enemy, you can even assign buttons to different ranges
I agree that all the clips can be explained by being a coincidence, but what I think is strange is the amount of coincidences in such a short period of time, that's unheard of. Even for the most sus (but clean) pro players it will take months or years to accumulate this amount of sus clips, but these were recorded in less than a week, in just 2 games. This is what is really shady to me
That's a lot of coincidence for two matches. They got more clips than Flusha got on his whole carrer.
Whole
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This is the same reaction to flusha when he was new and this is a entire team bruv..
These were clips compiled from an entire team and most people already know he's not cheating.
they arent cheating
Wait, don’t the expensive aimbots the pros get compensate for recoil so leaf wouldn’t have flicked on his exact head mid spray
Yes and no, most cheats have recoil scripts but they are usually pretty obvious so anyone trying to cheat in a pro match wouldn't use it most likely
Not exactly the case many cheats can be adjusted in case of lowering recoil rather than getting rid of it
lol, yea they werent cheating, if they were using legit cheats they would have rcs and they would be using low settings, with an even half decent cheat you will never lock through walls.
not rlly because you can adjust lock and also hit chance as well because i hack when bored on mm and i doubt that a cheat would go for head like that unless it was configed like that so i doubt its cheats and some can make it so it doesn't flick through walls/smoke so i highly doubt he is cheating
@@Uscsismonkey faq u kid
If it’s overwatch and they ain’t professional, you will probably be clicking “ evidence beyond reasonable doubt “.
i kind of agree with you, however there is a huge difference between casual players and pros, we have to keep that in mind, for me its still pretty suspecious
If there was just one incident in the whole match, no it wouldn't be a conviction in OW. Additionally in OW you see people clearly walling and aim-boting, here what we see is just an info lock some pros are doing...or...nothing, just a coincidence.
Personally I find all these locks quite suspicious and as they say "there is no smoke without fire" :)
Yeah coz there's only like so many suspicious moments in like 4 different games not like overwatch where there's 4 supcious moments in 1 round
Maybe because there aren't that many pros reported to overwatch??
Well... Probably because they're not pros
Nothing Is Real
Well said
Yeah
yup your right still too many coincidences in 1 game xD
True. As long as they made it to top20 pro team they're safe
If you live your life waiting for 100% of anything, just stay in bed.
Eye tracking could be an interesting experiment btw. See if players focus too much on non-visible enemies that are on the edges of the screen.
perfect to reduce wh
you understand that they only use aim hacks not wallhsvk right?
Wouldnt Work in online tournaments
This is why a secondary cam should be there to record the mouse movements! That would clear most of the doubts addressed in the clip.
No... A better solution would be a mouse position spoofer. A mandatory sofware that uses Window's mouse position and compares it with the game mouse position
if they don't match, you have aim asssist
@@Hdx64 Why not both? And a mouse cam would help for online stuff as well.
@@moth5799 I agree, but one solution relays on evidence scrubbing and the other one is an automated method. I'm an automation engineer I have a bias, if I was a surgeon I would be proposing to cut something up :P
@@Hdx64 Makes sense, the software could be faked though, or you could use a non-windows operating system and make it look like windows (on online, not at LAN ofc)
Which doubts ?
-Bro leaf stop cheating
-No is just my gaming mouse
he has a good gaming chair
His gaming mouse and gaming chair both have cheats to become better
give him a Lua script and he acts like its his birthday...ijust like Shroud....the same kind of blatant cheater
@@teknoizer1 sounds like you just really hate this guy. The only sus clip in the entire video was the eyeball. One suspicious action does not = cheater.
Not only that but he was crouched while shooting so him going up after uncrouching is normal and everyone can get a little jittery in intensive games, he may have just had a lot of adrenaline going though him, I think it would be a good idea to record there hands while they play, since you could calculate the distance he would need to move his mouse for the ingame flick to take place.
The pro team didn’t seem to be cheating, but leaf was definitely suspicious as hell he had all of the most suspicious lock on’s
Xeppa too
@@josevitor9066 i understand xeppa’s perspective i dont think he cheats. But leaf is so suspicious, he just lock for no reason its not pre-aiming.
That wild spray while flash was the most suspicious ones. See how he didnt even hit his teammate.
with leaf finding a lot of success on c9 valorant, i think cheating is less likely. He is legitimately doing really well in valorant.
@@eronleung valorants anticheat is just as bad if not worse than csgo's tbh and there were already multiple cases of pros being caught cheating and or trying to get personal cheats made for valorant when switching from csgo a few videos have been taken down but yeah i think more csgo players got caught trying to get valorant cheats than got caught for actually using them tho xd that said i dont follow any of this closely and id have to watch leaf personally before i could say im sure but doing well in valorant by no means clears suspicion if anything for me it makes it seem more likely
My Input on these Clips:
Sorry for my bad eng.
1.Like you said he’s just preparing to peek long nothing fishy.
2.Common thing to aim in the middle instead of holding 1 Angle so you got less way to either angle.
3.First Kill got called and he probably just tried to see if he can hit him in water or see anything “If your mate can shoot him he might be higher on the bank therefore aiming a little higher makes sense” And for the heaven guy he saw the flash coming out of heaven so he just pre aimed it.
4. For this one i got the juice. So at first i was thinking he missed the spray, and he accidentally didn’t pull to the left until i realised the 8th bullet goes to the top left not right. But his weapon stayed in position when the 8&9 Bullet came out and right after that the gun moved up a lot while the recoil still kicked in. So due to the fact that hes prolly a metal bender and that his bullet flew to a direction it wasn’t supposed to if we would have watched his in-game vision i would have said it’s silent aim but obviously this is recorded over the spectator accounts. So my guess would be a recoil control script + Aimbot, so the spray goes towards the enemy before the actual aim does.
5. First kill obviously nothing wrong with that guy is in the open nothing spectacular. What looks weird is the fact that he overshot the enemies a mile trough the wall just to snap back to his head. But that could just be him moving up his move for a better position on the mouse pad. “Alot of low sense player know what i mean”
6. Nothing wrong with that missed quite a lot of bullets and overshot again.
7.Also just looks like mouse lifting tbf.
8.Alright again.. Full blind killing people can be pure luck ofc and nothing wrong with that but again his recoil control while being blind was on point. So if you slow the footage down where he was blind and look how the spray goes for a couple bullets. he kills him and pulled away from the enemie into a wall where his whole spray pattern goes ape shit and perfect again in just a small amount of time. And then he does the same to the last person where he completely fucks up his spray but still manages to hit the enemy but ofc its monster and we all sprayed trough that before and killed somebody.
9.They moved at the same speed stuff like that just happens and its normal.
10. Again could be just mouse lifting at a bad time. Considering it’s a 1vs5 he probably was killed and he just went for some random shots. “Aswell as i think if you play the clip slower you are able to see the enemi’s foot on the right side just a split second. But also if you slow it down you can see his aim moving with the enemy.
11. And again his recoil is saving his ass. But if you look where he shoot at for taco “the guy defusing” He is way above the head again but it hits perfectly. “ But this also happened to all of us before.
12. So he is about to shoot the guy right in front of him instead he completely locks onto the enemy behind that guy and tries to pull away from it instead of shooting the guy completely jumping trough his vision. This can also be just luck again.Alright.
So do i think he is cheating? Yes & No.There is a lot going on in these matches and a lot can be just pure Luck and timing we all seen it and we all had it even if we dont know. But i also would love to see some regular gameplay from him besides only completely fishy clips behind each other.
What cheats do i think he has? I highly doubt he got anything besides an Aimbot with a lot of smoothing and a recoil control system. Yes you can be really good with recoil until a certain point where it looks like this guy is the next avatar.
Would i say hes cheating in Overwatch? No. Why? because we would only see 1 of these in Overwatch and not all of these clips in one game.
Do i think they should ban him? NO. Absolutely not. As long as these Events or CSGO doesnt get their cheater problem under control i don’t think any of the cheaters should be banned by just how they play. “As long as you can’t 100% prove it aka Spin botter or people shooting trough walls or esp, etc.”
I also think you should have slowed down a lot more of the clips since you could have to get way more info on what happened. Neither the less great video!
Sorry for my Bad Eng im just trying to give my opinion." Trying my best.
- Chris / Germany
Thanks for the effort
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People that don't know shit about how cheats work dismissing the situation.
And also people are comparing it to Flusha, except you guys forget Flusha played CSGO for 8 years and has less suspicious clips than Leaf.
Also Flusha has played LAN while Leaf hasn't. Let's see how long he can keep the performance.
There are too many incriminatory evidences of cheating from Leaf and Xeppaa. They won't last long enough to go to Lan tournaments.
Lourenço Sampaio ...implying that you can’t cheat on LAN...
@@Sentinel_Daniel implying they can pay thousand per month for external cheat and have the ball to do it live. Lmao.
The only way to cheat on lan is if the admins are in on it with you , otherwise you cant cheat.
@@scarface999100 forsaken did it on lan and the admins were the very ones who caught him
I think the monster ovp clip is literally just him lifting his mouse, esp after spraying blindly into monster for that long.
it wasn't just a dodge.. he shot once too. so its weird
azkar hussain youve never clicked while quickly readjusting your mouse?
@@azkarhussain3583 hes playing with 1600 edpi, one small adjustment will make the mouse jump its not that hard to speculate what happened
@@8b993rd even with 1600 edpi, you really got to be a bad player to "adjust" so much.. It just does not make sense. If he where a silver with no control over his sens you could agrue that.. But this is a "pro" we are talking about. never have I se a half decent player do that
@@t34sj Yeah, but everyone makes mistakes. Coldzera, s1mple, all of them. Who says he didnt over drag his mouse
The flick leaf does to heaven is normal but looks strange when he moves the crosshair to the wall and looks like "Ooh shit im aiming att him trough the smoke"
Hes turning away from a team flash
Well, my perspective about Leaf and his weird flick is:
He was spraying down, right?
He might've lost mouse space and when he dragged it back to his mouse pad it flicked at that spot coincidentally OR he placed it back in the middle of the pad and that weird flick happened.
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im not trying to be rude, but i don't think you play cs that much!! spray pattern in cs is not that big on any mouse pad you can even do it on a 20 cm mouse pad ! and he didn't flick or anything so hes mouse was centered when he started spraying.... saying all this i don't wanna say hes cheating but if these demos are 32 tick then he might be fine cause 32 tick will only save the kill shot and will not care about the rest but if they are more than that then i would say the mirage stairs kill was definitely fishy cause the spray is not even consistent and those lock one are little bit too fishy even that A site on dustII cause he adjusts to his target every time these weird flicks happen
again if im a coder and i want to code a cheat to use in an important event ill dress it up to fool the public and if he was cheating then he did it very smartly
look at adjustments after each lock on !
@@amirorang1647 That depends entirely on your EDPI and where your hand was position on the mousepad before you started spraying - e.g. in this case he is stood on stairs looking down towards monster so hand already moved down on the mousepad. Follow that with the next ~12 AK bullets and you're at the bottom of the spray which is quite far down.
The weirder part for me is - Move your mouse to the bottom of your scree AND the bottom of your mousepad.
Now lift your mouse up and place it at the top of your mouse pad.
Notice how your mouse on screen doesn't move at all? Yup, readjusting your mouse does nothing to your current mouse position.
That happens to me sometimes but it's not cheating tho..
@@amirorang1647 that would mean I cheat too.. I play alot of cs and I don't use whole mouse pad tho mate.. And it's bcs your arm needs to be in right position you can see alot of pros using only top of their mouse pad and having their arm in one position...
Would love to see you doing reaction for THE c0ncept channel videos. He has lots pro "hack" videos.
the lock on is for intel not for killing
the flick on the eye of the monster is the best exemple but is can be mouse reposition and the sensor pick up the last inch
That guy is a lunatic with amateur judgement. It's like a bicycle expert trying to judge aeronautics expert
That guy is trash bro why would you even talk about him lol. He prolly a silver/nova in the game
@@maithinh367 bro its just that you couldnt understand the yoyos and the overaim uno dos tres bro
The c0ncept is a clown who can't tell left from right.
Coincidences do happen but really this many in such a short space of time, i find that hard to believe
Well, we did see a jumping double AWP kill on a fucking major semi-final. Luck does happen
One tournament you can have multiple moments of lucky. Anyone could be cheating that's always been a possibility. A lot is at stake so it'd make sense from a financial stand point. Only two things I would say looks like something I would question and that's what real luck is. We've seen tournaments where pros are on a streak of doing stupid pre fire but some times you are just on point with game sense. We've seen some nutty things in esports. While I would be surprised if they were cheating I wouldn't condemn them with out real proof.
Have you never cleared an angle with your crosshair on the wall a bit because you thought they woudlnt be there?
@@Jane-qh2yd 1 Suspicius play against a lot from 1 player in one BO3? Kinda suspicious anyway.
@@Jane-qh2yd you can aleays be lucky one or two times but this many times in that short of a period nah
When coincidences happen again and again it stops being a coincidence....
That's a terrible way to think of things, because it fails to take in other variables. When you get so used to aiming at a certain corner because people tend to stand there, you start pre-aiming that corner more and more to the point where you can envision exactly where head level is even while being behind layers of wall between you and that corner. This is known as pre-fire positions. And notice how I said, because people tend to stand there. Pre-fire positions are pre-fire positions because they're common positions to hold, so when you know someone COULD be holding a certain position, and it's more likely that they're in that position than any other, you aim at that position through a wall. This is for the same reason that you keep your crosshair at head level, so you barely have to adjust your mouse to get the kill. Not to mention, when coincidences like these happen again and again, it's probably because of the fact that these pros spend 8 hours a day practicing their game. Yes, a lot of coincidences in a short amount of time is sketchy, but coincidences over a long period of time is not, and these guys have triple, if not sextuple the hours of any human being that just plays for fun, like yourself.
This comment sounds good if u dont think about the meaning of this comment
@@dvenom642 +1
Exactly
@My Thoughts i see why we call foreing people dumb
Let's see how they gonna do in a presentational major.
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he already gone to valorant lol
he already went to valorant since he knew his fate
About the first clip on D2: imagine you're doing a legit play when you get to the corner preparing to shoot at the door. You suddenly face an opponent and your aim is luckily straight to his head. Why the heck would you jump, move your aim to the wall and then move it back to your opponent?
That's at least a very, very suspicious reaction of a pro player
reaction time mate think about it your expecting in your head a guy door then you realise shit could be 1 close so you look close think you didnt see anything and then you look back door and then your brain reacts to seeing the guy so you look back at him
Could be expecting a flash, guy was running so they both heard each other, and these guys are pros, been playing for years, they’ve gotten so good they can anticipate where head level would be, and how fast they’re going, I would do the same thing, look away for a split second, the jump is weird but it may be habit, you never know
@@AK-hb5wl I probably would do the same, but I'm far from being a good player. When you're a pro, you don't do that weird stuff. When a pro turns a corner and their aim is in the head of their opponent they just shoot. If a flash comes, they keep shooting in the last direction they spotted the enemy.
I can't tell if Chaos' boys are cheating, but their movements are pretty strange. Let's see their performance when the first lan tournament comes
Leonardo Garcia could be one or the other
Leonardo Garcia ik I’m Late but I just wanted to say that he was pre aiming the Long doors. the reason he jumps is because he’s trying to do some sort of jiggle around the corner.
I think the "lock on" towards heaven is just prepping for the guy to push out with the flash
except he doesn't flick to head level the second time since a normal person would do it twice instead of just once. If this team had the foresight to do half the prefires they did (if they are not hacking), then there would be no point in aiming at the railing.
@@smogblazer4509 you know that people JUMP out of the heaven right?, there would be no point in head level aim and its better to keep it a bit below to spray them falling. if he peeks slowly he is an easy target with no vision since its smoked
@@neetishyadav8553 it wasnt even on his head lmao it was above it
He sees the flash being thrown, pros often look out for these things and have even trained themselves to listen for pins being pulled. You can see he reacts to where the flash was thrown from, and then he turns away. In slow mo you can see how much the flash stands out against the grey of the smoke making it even easier to see. A lot of pros sit really close to their screens too, I imagine he saw that flash's model looking much more obvious to his eyes than ours.
@@smogblazer4509 dude you are trying so hard on all these threads! give up alrdy, there is certainly not enough evidence to convict the guy of cheating (unless you are a silver, then there is no point arguing with you)
Here on time today :D Is a miracle.
But time is but a window
In general:
People who say pros already lock on through walls don’t understand what good crosshair placement is
In general:
Aiming to a wall while falling back is NOT good crossahair placement
Well Fallen said that they were cheating, Coldzera said it too... They dont understand what good crosshair placement is?
Well, I think some of them might be coincidental, mainly the first one. However, it’s strange how it happened many times in a BO3
Also, the game they played recently on Nuke (can’t remember the enemy team), makes it veeeeery strange that they just got 10x worse.
You said coincidence way to much for it to be so. I understand that holding a common angle can look sus if someone is about to peak. But there is to many locks on in completely random areas.
Very well said bro i have seen bigger pros doing the same thing like the infamous flusha we all know that i thinks this many coincidents are just way far to be true
This is over the course of 90 rounds of cs?
i must admit that some of the clips are suspicious but we shouldn't acuse them for cheating yet and they do not deserve all the dead threats tho not cool just wait for the admins to clarify if they are 100% cheating or no
No point for admin to verify if the cheat can be toggle on and off via crouch, jump button or tab. Also, if he use the cheat that cost 300 usd and above it is literally undetect in online match unlike the 20 usd ezfrag that forsaken use. Just look at the redbull tournament, literally the reason they get banned is due to being so obvious that it get manual ban.
@@allentey6870 uh forsaken cheat didnt get detected by anti cheat. Literally the admin just checked his pc
@@fearlessdistinguish4186 And people still think we can't cheat at Lan, lmao.
Admins and Valve doesnt give a shit, so many points of attack for the hack, their practice PC has access to internet, no handcam, 1 guy to watch 5 ppl. Hacks are Big bussiness when you pay 30000$+ for custom tailored hack plus a cut from what you make from wins otherwise you get snitched.
It got detected by Windows defender.
remember, nearly everyone gets called out for cheats in the pro/semi-pro scene and aside from a couple nearly all are just coincidental. anyone remember flusha on cache?
We know that pro players sometimes have some suspicious plays, but why so many in just one BO3? Also, in the same season, there are other matches that the same players have other suspicious plays... too many locks on random areas, on the wall, through smoke... something is not right
@@arthuralves904 maybe I'm missing something here. Care to timestamp when he lock to random area?
You speaking like Flusha cleared his name
people seem to think that flusha cleared his name. but no one has done that. do i think flusha cheated? hell yes.
@@dixonyamada6969 if you rlöy think that flusha can A. Cheat for a period of time and then play just as good for YEARS on YEARS w/o them or getting banned or B. Cheat for sooo long contiously then youre just nothing more than a completely lost silver scrub with absolutely 0 braincells. Flusha 100% cleared his name by remaining a top csgo pro for years long after people dug up those clips and accused him of cheating. The mental gymnastics necessary to construct a story where its actually plausible that flusha cheated are insane.
how come in this video everything is just a coincidence 🤣🤣
The amount of times you said "coincidence" and "lucky" in this video about clips of just one series lol.
That said, I don't think he's cheating, but some of the clips are weird
Wasn't one series though, it was multiple series against different teams
@@rapakko And the fact that there are 5 players in multiple gunfights per round + even more opportunities to "lock" for info + roughly 23 rounds per game probs + multiple games per series... Honestly, you could make vids like these quite often pretty easily
@@rapakko Most of it was against MIBR tho
@@jasonterry1959 How come this doesn't happen in other casted games if it happens so often?
ARN it’s literally just because of high sens. I can literally go into any pro game and find ten times where a pros crosshair is on someone through a smoke or wall. Then I just have to clip it and bang ez cheat accusation
i dont think they are cheating. in multiple times we've seen pros aim at people through walls, it can either be coincidence or just great awereness, that's why they are pros and we are not. and for those saying that if this was overwatched, they'd be banned...yeah possibly, but the thing is, for a casual, or even a decent global elite to play like them they'd be cheating, you can't expect normal/good players to behave the same way as pros, if that makes any sense
I don't think they're cheating aswell. I mean one just has to look at their own demo and realize, that stuff like this always happens, since CSGO is fast paced and youre always flicking around. Nobody has perfect aim nor crosshairplacement, which is why these accidents happen in the first place.
Or a LOT of "pros" cheat. When theres that much money on the table, youll use whatever gets you the advantage. Just like sports and roids. Do you really think there is a SINGLE SPORTS PRO that isnt juicing?
I agree that we can't be 100% sure that they are cheating, although I'm conviced some of the pro scenes where they flicked to someone through a wall were cheated, Flusha for example. I think that guy was cheating at some point, that's just my opinion. What I don't agree with is, that a decent global elite has to cheat to be as good as a pro. I have about 7500 hours in the game, going up and down in FaceIt from level 7-10. I have screenshots of me beating pros like JW or youtubers like MrTweeday with 37 kills on the board. I have hit some nutty shots, just would have definitely gotten me banned when I would have played normal machtmaking. The problem is not everyone is as considerate as TimeIsButAWindow, many people jump to conclusions too fast or just think that a "normal" player can't be this good. I'm speaking from experience, as my first ever account actually got overwatch banned a few years after release. ScreaM has a overwatch banned account, too. The system is not foolproof and you should really consider if you would decide the same wether you know someone is a professional player or an overwatch case without a name.
@@sideskroll you do know that b4 the quarentine they played only on competition pcs that had nothing but cs, and they use programs on that pcs that dont allow any other program to execute? Plus, there are referees on the games, watching all your moves. you cant just cheat like that, you really think pros want to throw their careers on the trash just to get their companies a little more money?
@@sydra5454 you really think weightlifters, soccer players, gymnasts want to to throw their MUCH MORE REAL careers down the drain? Listen, I dont know much about any specific team or player on cs (I play the game because I like it. Ever since the first beta back in the 90s) but if youre for ONE SECOND trying to argue that "pros" MUST BE legit because pros youre either too naive or a conplete imbecile. And like I said, Im talking about ANYTHING at pro level.
I was very surprised when I watched this video and realized it was about "Leaf", because I watched "Leaf" during some Pro games on ESL in the past and thought him a very, very suspicious player. I also have to state that I don't think an entire pro team is cheating here and that you did every rational thing to try to explain the shown clips.
i feel the strangest thing is that they always flick away right after they "lock on" to the heads ,but well you can still see that the aim is a few pixels away from the heads
There is something called as aim smoothnes and gotv being shit
Doesn't it seem suspicious to you that every single aimlock is at the top left side of enemy's head? Its because they set it this way. If you think something is coincidental then why is every single "coincidental" lock on top left of the head?
@@KilledbyPing_ brazilians dont know how csgo works
Imagine having a rush and flicked your mouse by mistake and got kicked off the team for cheating.
@@LeGiTcs nah. Back in 2017 i use a lot of cheat, paid and free, i can tell him he's innocent because that's not how aimlock works. It looks too natural to be a bot
Only that Overpass is fishy, but thats hardly enough to make some conlusions.
Forsaken was banned just for one clip i think he is totally cheating
@@mechworriorsmasterstreams6608 Forsaken was caught with cheats on his pc.
@@shingamba he was suspected first by one clip they must check these guys pc too
Agreed, only overpass looks fishy to me
@@mechworriorsmasterstreams6608 but forsaken tracked some1 thru a nonspammable box while shooting like 5 6 7 bullets lol plus he did have xtremely crisp aim so why wouldnt u check him then? lmao
2nd
Keep doing a great job man, love in depth analysis like this!
i think for the monster eyeball clip, even i sometimes do this too, you spray an entire mag and your mouse is down on the mousepad right? so you quickly move it back to the original position and sometimes you overshoot that movement and then you need to readjust, i think that's what happened
3:55 it looks to me like he has A, high sensitivity, and B, like he was checking the back of the site for someone who would jump onto the box. It is a common enough angle... and it didnt even look like an aimlock. watching it slowed down it seemed like his crosshair was always moving, like it bounced around a bit.
7:42 i think this is when we need to see from the teammate perspective a bit. they could have seen the guy and it showed up on radar
His sens is 2 with 800 DPI so possible.
Inferno clip, like u said he was checking the back of the site and there's vid about disproving this clip so i think Hes clear on this, but its suspicious cuz his crosshair is way above the box and the bounce of crosshair going up.
Monster clip tho cant be explained.
4:36 is what we call communication, he has a teammate on short calling a T went throught connector then stairs thats why
Idc leaf cheated. He would of had a massive career ahead of him but he decided to go to valorent when teams moved to Europe.
@@farcry123x no
In overwatch you would have been banned 20 times already
I just said the same thing hahaha lol
However this is pro scene and Tibow does not like to get heat in social media lmao. Show how status can change someone opinion.
Nah. These were clips compiled from different players in different games in different series. There's actually nothing going on here.
which is why silvers shouldnt be the ones to judge ... if you sat and watched every pro game with x-ray on, every pro would be banned by your standards.
Yeah even I got banned on my smurf bcz I am a mg2 on my main and was outskilling them like mad mans
At 2:58 I do that "flick-up after spray" crosshair move or flick because when you control a spay long enough, then stop spraying AND controlling so you stop using the mouse and keyboard your crosshair will climb up the screen a bit because you technically were counter-moving it to the bottom.
And one more thing, when you spray WITHOUT moving anything (spraying while standing still at a wall with NO control) the bullets and your crosshair goes up, and AFTER you STOP spraying (basically stop everything) the crosshair will go back DOWN to its original state because you were spraying. This 2nd thing I talked about right now is why I tend to flick up a little bit after I spray, just to make my crosshair go back to its original place a little bit faster so I can shoot after my recoil resets where I think my crosshair will be because I countered the recoil's reset move.
The one at Overpass gets me, i think that was surely a Aim lock....
The info-locks are the new kind of cheats to keep the tournaments exiting. I've watched so many games and demos but those pixelperfect locks onto the heads and then tactically falling back to defending positions are very suspicious. Some day there will be a massive banwave. Until then we all just have to wait. That cheats are a huge problem for csgo is a fact.
Info lock is not a new thing. Lol. It is literally a soft aim assist but pro only use it as info since wallhack in tournament is too obvious especially in lan.
@@allentey6870 you mean sonar? the stuff everyone uses in faceit
@@actusti6590 what?
Has it happened yet?
When people aim at an object over the edges of the objects its super sus
Not really. Not all crosshair placement is pure tracking of corners while peeking. A lot of the time, it makes sense to pre-aim certain spots before you actually clear them just to make sure your crosshair is on point.
@@senya6095 agreed, it almost would be weirder if a pro player didn't preaim, even someone as inexperienced as leaf
Watch xantares play for 5min you'll think diferently
I'm not saying pre aiming isn't a thing.
last clip could of been running out of mouse pad space downward and he pulls his mouse up off the mat but enough for it to still know what is happening
The thing that make it the most suspicious is sometimes they look straight up like bots. Like aiming in the midle of nowhere without any logic instead of preaiming or holding the ungle.
That one when Leaf was Jungle in Mirage and killed PRT on Stairs, he took an early shot before he lined up PRT. there was a guy in Connector and possibly thought that early shot was meant for the guy in connector hence why they sent you the clip.
Or maybe its just the csgo replay video glitched out, because they do that
Or maybe just 16 tick, source engine has some ridiculous quirks that are only evident at 16 tick. Valve pls give source 2, we don't want engine based on 1990s.
He knows there is a man in connector because of underpass to connector short guy has informed him
Or may be someone heard in footstep while they were comming from mid or underpass
The eyeball one happened maybe because he ran out of mousepad or something
sure
@@PhelipeNascimentoo 7:1
@@Cohen177 wth does that mean?
@@PhelipeNascimentoo o 7 a 1 contra o brazil
@@Cohen177 stop crying
i understand the ‘fast checking’ on inferno but what is the crosshair placement?? i mean as an average csgo player i wouldn’t have looked above the box
The Forsaken clips are in a completely different category. Look at when he locks onto someone, its extremely quick and snappy with zero shakiness. Leaf on the other hand has shakiness to it, LOTS of people snap their mouse after spraying and shooting.
if there are many coincidences then it's not coincidence anymore
2:58 he is just readjusting his mouse after the spray control , chill out you guys.
Was thinking the same
that's the most reasonable explanation so far
You gotta look at his sens too, he's playing on 1600 eDPI, a small readjustment with that sens can easily throw up the mouse like that.
Bro he is just lifting his mouse alot.
@@Asbu666 even with 1600 edpi, you really got to be a bad player to "adjust" so much.. It just does not make sense. If he where a silver with no control over his sens you could agrue that.. But this is a "pro" we are talking about. never have I se a half decent player do that
Hey @timeisbutawindow, the eyeball clip is even weirder in my opinion. After this happened, you can see that his crosshair "resets" a little bit down when aiming tunnels again.
It could have been an issue with his mouse sensor or the server as well, nonetheless this is extremely suspicious and we should keep an closer eye on this player.
I have similar playstyle... well not much of a playstyle... my hand just gets jerky while spraying due to the visual information of recoil.
So, whenever i try to spray, i tend to do some weird shitty flicks to random spots in the middle and the end of the spray to recentre my crosshair.
I've seen you "convict" suspects on overwatches for much less evidence than this, i think you're being bias here John.
Btw, on that triple kill on monster, its amazing how he flicks left spraying, and only hits enemys and not his team mate, even tho he is flashed =)
Also, its amazing how he got more suspicious clips in just two games than most pro players in all their lifes.
This is an underrated comment.
is that thing, "brazlians are just crying because chaos is better"
yeah yeah of course
Straight up facts right here
@@celin_9543 late and idk for sure but maybe it's like faceit and team damage is off?
@@gabaleaguiar91 If it's anyone but Brazlians accusing, I'd say it'd be blown way up than what we have rn 2bh.
But no Brazlians has to give chaos both the moral edge and the compassion edge.
Coincidences like these happen sometimes. There are moments when I go through my highlights and I feel like some flicks look like aim lock when actually they are coincidental. The ones like 2:10 and 4:38 keep happening all the time. Maybe leaf was having just a bad day or something. I don't know if he had history like "forseken". I don't think any professional player would want to be another forseken just so as to meet the same fate as his.
The problem in this clips is the speed before and after the locks, how are you going to check an angle and immediately take your crosshair away ? For what I've seen this an aimlock with low fov, it's just too many clips for just 3 games.
I think that the eyeball flick was just because he was resetting his crosshair, he was crouched so he's standing up, and he was moving a little bit to the left up the ledge so all the movements combined the crosshair upwards motion becomes big. So in reality he just moved the crosshair a little bit up but with all the other things combined it just looks like a flick.
You really believe in anything you’ve just said?
@@xirulampa What?
literally any pro match looks suspicious when slowed down with xray on
I feel like I've seen you convict people for less than this. The two plays by Leaf were definitely strange looking.
Why don't LAN tourneys have software on computers that logs all keylogs and programs running / inputs so if someone has aimkey built into mouse they can detect it from the input or key press?
A lot of these apparent aimlocks seem to follow the pattern of the overaim feature in aimlocks where it flicks past the target then adjusts pack onto it.
What i find suspecious, is how good and fishy they played, after being called out, there haven’t been a single suspicious clip + they lose everything that isn’t tier 4+
From TimeIsButaWindow perspective, nothing in this video is suspicious. Haha, good one.
But once he gets killed by a better player than himself more than once in his own games then the enemy is cheating 100%, this guy is so stupid at times
i just know i’ve had my hand slip and then i got sent a demo where i “locked on” a guy.
I would assume the eyeball flick on monster would be caused by him pulling his mouse down to control recoil then lifting it but it picked up a little bit on his way to re-center his mouse
They are just normal person lol follow a person through wall and crosshair direct lock on next target. It just like an aimlock with small FOV setting or they are just using legit bot with wall hack.
A lot of clips can look suspect when the viewers already have “cheater” in the back of their minds from the title, I can’t say for sure but a lot of these clips are strange when slowed down and put into a cheating context.. so idk realy
only leaf is suspicious
agrre
why they have so bad aimbots? Theyre smart not any kind of forsaken which is indian ( im not judging anyone, but, those pros are in the vid have brain )
Fun fact, everytime when Leaf shake to target, it always 1 foot off the target. What kind of "aimlock" is that?
09:33 why do you show the non-sus part of that clip in slowmo?
90% of his flicks to enemies through walls are at the head I'm a cheater my self and its ez to hold that aim key for too long and then u get those lock ons
the clip on monster can be explained , he bumped his mouse on his keyboard or something while spraying and it flicked vertically
Is friendly fire not on anymore? Because if you are spraying through a flash and smoke then dont hit your teammate at all...that is highly suspicious.
You can kinda explain a lot of someone what they do. But what's most suspicious is just the sheer amount of suspicious senerios.
Do people not understand that mouse drift exists and you sometimes need to maybe flick back to re adjust mouse?
I don’t know too much about the mechanics of csgo so it could’ve been because he got hit by a bullet or something... but I think the very first clip was one of the most suspicious. The aimlock could’ve just been a pre-aim, that’s a very good possibility, but that also begs the question as to why he flicked away from the player before shooting??? Unless it was a forced flick due to being shot or something I would think it was compensation for an accidental aimlock; something to try and throw people off the scent.
@@ugly3887
Like you and your proficiency with English?
I have adhd so I can sit and hold angles and sit still for long so I often pic up and readjust my mouse and it flicks up like what happened at monster on overpass
solid summary! thanks for the video
I bet that if John had taken this as a cheating case in an episode of overwatch, he would have been banned. FOR SURE!!!
The difference between a cheat and years of training with skill boils down to something super simple:
How "natural" does the crosshair moves?
Cheats nowadays can be easily activated and deactivated and only a fool would think they can't do it.
i guess the real danger is an aimbot trained on AI data from pro players to mimic human mouse movements
You missed the small lock ON he did when doing that 3v1 in overpass
I think the monster clip is explained by leaf decides to stop spamming the smoke and goes to adjust his mouse.
I’ve watched chaos TH-cam channel for a while , they’re a dope team and they show the comms for games they play, you’d like their channel. I don’t accuse people of anything without evidenced beyond reasonable doubt and the overpass clip could be a crouch glitch on spectate, I’ve spectated people who look 3 feet tall and then the game randomly corrects it
Too much coincidences happening on a single game. If this was analysed on Overwatch i have shure they would 100% convict this guy.
The spray pattern of the AK goes down and to the left. He got to the left corner of his mousepad and moved it back to the middle. This happens to me all the time.
And to bugged aimlocks too.
two years passed and they were never seen again, if they were really good they would manage to grow in the scene, not to mention that having so many coincidences of the same team is already suspicious in itself, not to mention that all of this was just a best of 3
When a random team wins and the other team fans can’t take an L lol
This. I bet all of those accusations are from mibr fans, it's not the first time something like this happens
@@user-xu7js well if u watched the last video of sparkles, u could imagine that they might be cheating..but no one can say for sure, thats a fact
@@user-xu7js fax
Astralis when they're not #1 in a nutshell
@@user-xu7js ha
One or two coincidences in like 20 matches or so, like Flusha or even Fallen on his early days are alright... but man, this many in 2 series in a row, coincidence and luck are things that happen once per a couple games, not like this.
honestly, I only saw two weird plays. That being the one where he aims on the player from monster and the one from balcony. As for the one towards heaven, he could see a flash coming from the smoke. Two weird players across 3 long maps is not that crazy. Yall mibr fans are mentally ill and are fkn worse than kpop stans
shaquille o'neal agreed
To be honest about that eye flick it could be a bad habit after he sprays, i do the same but after i spray i usually flick down and reset my spray. Maybe leaf has a similair habit like i have, remember we all are human and have habits.
The eyeball thing might aswell just be him moving his mouse as a result of stretching the arm after a spray but indeed it's not common to do so in the pro leagues...
Love how all the clips by the same team is just coincidenece especially when they randomly lock on to some one thru a wall, "but it could just be nade line up" when they aren't throwing one and are mid fight
Maybe he sneezed
@@corey5894 I think he has psychic power and can sense enemy like a Spiderman.
How many "coincidence" in a sigle map by same players.... That's likely ok...
Im just confused on why the lock ons happens so regularly. Unlike for other pros or teams it happens ocasionally but for them it happens so often. Im not an expert but it's just weird
tbh the clip looks like he stands up + the recoil resetting and him moving his corrshair a bit too, could also be cheats only he will know for sure
this guy is leaf is just really good with his toggle
I think leaf is cheating on half the flicks he stops firing after moving his mouse but only shoots like one or two bullets before realizing he locked onto the wrong person.
the vanity clip definitely looks like a mouse swipe to me
i think that the eyeball clip can be simply explained as moving your mouse up to far after pulling it down for the spray.