Ok just for clarification and because I'm tired of responding to the same comment over and over. The name "Swedish trench or Swedish ring fort" has to do with the style of construction not who built it. I hope this offers some clarification. Also here is a link with the original research documents filed with the registry of monuments. zabytek.pl/pl/obiekty/g-293280
The clarification needs to be = Gord - which is a trench fort. As it's in Poland - it is a Polish trench fort. Gord - old Slavonic, [Lech / Piast]. Grod - modern Polish. These were defensive structures during the Bronze Age and common in Northern Europe to 1000 AD There are very many in Ireland, and for some strange reason, are called Irish trench forts. If there are such forts in Sweden, [no such place], - then they would have been stolen from Poland during the Deluge. Thus becoming Swedish, [no such entity], ring forts.
z góry przepraszam za zły angielski in short why we dont care about archeology much is because even if some janusz or grażyna decided to do so and they found some relicts or god help gold goverment will take it away leaving you with nothing and our people have enough problems surviving goverments than wasting resources to even start diging history sites. if we had government that would finaly support poland and people we could finaly take a breath but that problem you talk about is goverment greed, that we have sheep not people, and 2 dogs from both sides waiting for eagle to land so they can grab it again while they slowly pluck its feathers... pozdrawiam
@gaypootin2950 unfortunately that's the same everywhere. It has always confused me how governments can just claim what someone finds without paying them the value of the item.
@@anamericaninpolandbecause here you don't "own" land, every part of Poland is owned by the government, so when you buy a property they are technically loaning it to you.
I think it is impossible for any developed country to maintain every historical object as kind of mini museum. Hundreds of holes in the forests nearby my area are medieval silver/lead mines.
Contrary to appearances, archaeological law in Poland is very strict! In my city, the City Council decided to renovate the old market square - archaeological research had to be done twice before that, which delayed the investment by two years. This process cannot be omitted.
I agree and it shouldn't be omitted but I think that some of it should be streamlined. I don't think a historic building should fall to the ground due to the fear of government overreach making it prohibitively expensive to restore.
@@reptileman8943 History has not disappeared, it simply has not been recorded! There are simply no written records - they appeared after Prince Mieszko I was baptized in 966. Then the first church scribes appeared who used the written Latin language. Before that, the Slavic tribes inhabiting today's Poland simply did not use writing.Apart from that, early Slavic castles were built of wood, usually near rivers and lakes. After more than 1000 years, not much remains of them - now only earth ramparts can be found in these places.
@@tomaszju9949 It wasn't recorded because Mieszko didn't allowed it. I have a German book from early XIX century that speaks of 3, not 2 dynasties in Poland. The first one in years 550 - 950 was the Lech dynasty. Turkish annals have same name reference toward our ancestors tribes. Ukrainians called us Lachy. And I don't mean TurboSlavic Lechia, but Lech's dystany like in that story which is taught during Polish language classes. There were 3 brothers. Lech, Czech and Rus. We have polin not Poland since Mieszko was baptised, that's why there are Polish speaking politicians and hanuka in parliment. The heritage of our ancestors was ditched for cultural wapon of desert, that was invented with one goal in mind. To subvert Roman empire, which as we know already fell while not being pagan, but christian. The other cultural tool that was created by same people is islam. And both Europe and Arabia were colonized by these weapons, just to play two races against each other. The religion of weak - show mercy, give your other cheek - vs religion of holy war. That's how you prepare the checkerboard, set the pieces and allow event to unfold almost by themselves. The third party, that 9is davids son's lackey - USA - is doing what has to be done to topple cultures of old continent. Destabilizing Arabia. This createds floods od wanderers that end up at our door steps. It's a very clever tactics, that leavels your hands clean, while your enemies delete each other, while being driven by the ideologies of your own making. Best subversion you can create. Isn't it fascinating that "always the victims" were always living among christians and muslims? That's what good supervisors do. They were looking closely do we teach Greek mythology in our schools instead of Slavic one. After all you should be ashamed and full of contempt toward ways of your own ancestors.
Hello there journeyman from great country of America. I want to share a funny story related to the subject of your video. Im 40 now and in the mid 1990's i was young 10 year old boy. I lived in city of Inowroclaw, which is located in historical state "Kujawy". Its a small-ish town with roughly 70k population. About 150 meters from my appartment block we used to play with the boys on grassy, hilly meadow. It was just there almost in the city centre, used as a farmer's land and like unused piece of land, maybe with size of 0,5 square mile. In around 1994-1995 the decision was made by city council to develop something on this piece of meadowy land. And finally city sold the ground to grocery store brand. They wanted to build first capitalistic bigger supermarket store there. And when the building was about to get started, they found pieces of ancient vessels. So the costruction was stopped and the archeologists arrived. They started digging and we, 8-12 year old good boys from the streets, decided to help them and maybe, possible find a treasure in the ground before even before them. Now starts the funny part. The digging area was divided into less and more promissing spaces. We, the bois, were just some kids, totally amateur and not knowing anything about proper archeo digging process. But we had the shovels and lot of grit. It turned out that our location, 20 meters from the restricted area, happened to have real treasures. We found a piece of skull of an ancient man, we found pieces of middle-to-late neolithic culture pieces of vessels (that's even 7,5 thousands year old) Its very old even by global standards of known human history. I personally found a rock, palm sized flat rock, with a pressure mark of sea shell. That could be close 9-11 thousands years old - before post glacials sea waters have gone back to todays frontiers. Lots of treasures were found these summer weeks, most of them are still there in supermarket's glass cabinet just by the entrance to the shop with pictures and real pieces. That was fucking fascinating. We have been playing there many years, not knowing, that beneath our feet, was once an ancient village or home to ancient men. I wonder how many of these are still not found to this day. .......... Anyway good luck finding another great pieces of history. We humans, should take more care about our history. Without that, we are nothing. Yo
That's amazing!! What an awesome memory and experience for a young boy! It's amazing to think of what was here before us and to think that in some distant future what people will find from us. Thanks for sharing your story I'm super jealous of your childhood adventure it's what every boy dreams of!
@@anamericaninpoland Thanks. Amazingly i just found the report from that dig nid.pl/dopobrania/KSIEGARNIA/Informator_Archeologiczny/IA_Badania1999.pdf On page 103, of course in polish language (you can google translate it) you will find, that my memory was not wrong. Sadly, the exact date is missing when was it really done.
Dziękuję za tą informację,ciekawe,że w Polsce się tego nie ogłasza,chociaż ostatnio już zaczynają wspominać o starożytnej historii naszego kraju Fakt,że uczono nas w szkole,że dawniej był u nas okres polodowcowy,ale , że kultura starsza niż bliskowschodnia tj Sumer, począwszy od ok.3000 pne nie, świadczyłoby tez,że nie zostaliśmy stworzeni przez annunaki,jak niektórzy mówią,a ludzkość rozwijała się nie tylko w Afryce i wg tego,co twierdzi Biblia.Kilka razy chciałam wybrać się do Inowrocławia do uzdrowiska, obecnie tam jest,nie byłam,ale przejeżdżałam przez Inowrocław pociągiem, przepiękne tereny przypominające wyglądem muzykę Chopina.Mieszkam na zachodzie,tutaj są zupełnie inne tereny,ale za to blisko Berlina.Dziekuje jeszcze raz za informację i przesyłam pozdrowienia z dalekiej Polski .
The lack of care of these types of places has another problem…that the authorities will immediately stick their nose in to any rebuild or attempt to ‘save’ such things and demand to micromanage whatever you try. That is why historic places are either left to collapse or only taken on by those with enough money waste and time to burn. The same happens in UK and France so heritage is eventually lost.
I have a friend who owns a palace near Nysa and some of the horror stories he has told about trying to do something that the average home owner can do in a weekend takes him months because of government intervention. I understand it's supposed to help preservation of the site but there has to be a balance or like you said these places will be lost eventually.
@@anamericaninpoland Bo konserwator zabytków musi koniecznie udowodnić potrzebę swojego istnienia. Inaczej zlikwidują mu etat. Proste jak konstrukcja cepa. w każdym kraju tzw. pierwszego świata to jest. Im bogatszy kraj tym więcej pełen biurokracji i idiotyzmów bo tak działa ta cholerna machina biurokratyczna, a cytując klasyka, nic tak szybko się nie rozrasta jak biurokracja i Polska nie jest tu wyjątkiem.
@@anamericaninpoland Yeah, the preservation requirements are sometimes to absurd level... I personaly would like, old palace/castle ruins to be restored at least to the point where only exterior reassembles original (like leave all walls intacted/restored to look medievale/renessance -whatever the period was orignal to the building), but do any nessesary changes inside, so that it would make a reasonable building, capable of being used for commercial activities: hotels/restaurants/conference rooms... all that could be done inside, with preserving outside... it would definately serve better to most of these building, than leaving them to rot without any investments... Which bride wouldn't want to have her wedding at a castle? (even if, it would be a castle only on outside, with modern inside)
Really appreciate authenticity of content, not just picking what's appealing to algorithm in specific country... in this case Poland. It was really great story about this swedish ruins. I subscribed and i'm waiting for next video! Good luck with your youtube career
The reason for this is that those who were aware of these structures are long deseased. Because of this, Poland has a regulation that requires you to notify the local authorities of any such sites you come across and they are unmarked. In general, that's how it works. But yeah they are pretty amazing!
Hi man! It is very inspiring to hear your thoughts about Poland. I was born in 70s and remember very well some hard times we've been through here in Poland in 80s and early 90s. The US was the promised land back than with unlimited opportunities. Lots of Polish people don't appreciate what we've achieved. Thanks, and good luck!
@keeli9448 Well, I was born in Poland and never abandoned the land of my ancestors to look for a better life. Hence, I'll stay with "what we've achieved" statement 😁
Ja jako prawdziwy Polak i katolik doceniam osiągnięcia Polski w dziedzinie astronomicznego zadłużenia, POwiększającego się deficytu budżetowego, grabieży lasów i złóż surowców, wyprzedaży majatku narodowego za bezcen w zagraniczne ręce.
@@slowdiesel1044 Panie Polaku i Katoliku, po pierwsze widze że jesteś ekonomistą bo powiększający się deficyt to coś neutralnego nie negatywnego, co do lasów to więcej siejemy niż eksploatujemy (poza tym nasz rynek meblowy jest dużą częścią gospodarki, bez ścinania lasów straciliśmy 5% wartości gospodarki. Co do majątku to proszę podać przykłady bo ja też może sobie mówić o stracie miliardów, na niewiadomo co.
I'm commenting as an American w Polskie pochodzenie - I think it's great coming across an obvious historic relic but having no initial knowledge of it. One thing I can attribute it to is, for me living in the central eastern part of USA, is the Nike missile bases. There is an awe that comes with coming across it, and then this yearning and hunt for knowing what it is by researching it through the internet and asking locals.
Great video and insight. Glad you’re still with us and enjoying our country and history… One suggestion- every time you mention a place you should include a map with name and location of the places you’re mentioning so that some history freaks can visit if they choose…
Better not! Usually places like this get destroyed because of revailing their location on the internet. Better left it be and let people found them by themselfes. It's like with the urbex, there's a lot of places who got revealed to the public and destroyed because of the "urbex freaks", pls don't do that.
there's a medieval castle ruins on every other hill in some parts, there's like 15 old castle ruins in 50km radius from me, most of them overgrown and completely unattended. as you said, plenty of history.
This situation is the exact same in all European countries. You need to prioritize what site is more important, you literally can't exploit and use all the sites that exist. There are too many and much more beneath the ground we forgot about centuries or even millennia ago.
@@anamericaninpoland No one actually considers it a problem. There are no plans to use all the sites; it's impossible. A random hillfort in a random forest doesn't attract people's attention at all. It's cool that it exists, but that's about it.
Many Polish treasures were stolen to Sweden, so the most important thing is to return them to the country. (I will add a note from Wikipedia here) The Deluge was a series of mid-17th-century military campaigns in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. in Poland and Lithuania this period is called the Swedish Deluge, 188 cities and towns, 186 villages, 136 churches, 89 palaces, and 81 castles were completely destroyed in Poland.During the wars the Commonwealth lost approximately one third of its population as well as its status as a great power due to invasions by Sweden and Russia.[9] According to Professor Andrzej Rottermund, manager of the Royal Castle in Warsaw, the destruction of Poland in the Deluge was more extensive than the destruction of the country in World War II. Rottermund claims that Swedish invaders robbed the Commonwealth of its most important riches, and most of the stolen items never returned to Poland.[10] Warsaw, the capital of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, was destroyed by the Swedes, and out of a pre-war population of 20,000, only 2,000 remained in the city after the war.
Poland has officially existed for 1000 years, unofficially even longer. So monuments to the past are everywhere. If it weren't for WWII and the partitions, there would be a lot more of them. For example, I visit my great-great-grandfather's grave from 1800 in my hometown.
@@anamericaninpoland I now look after my grandmother, his granddaughter. A family sabre hangs over her bed. Austro-Hungarian, from the time od partitions. Used in the cavalry during the War of Independence and the Polish-Bolshevik War. We live in history because it surrounds us from all sides.
TBH half of the country is one big museum. If we want to make everything a musem then there is no place for progress. Poland has one of the biggest history in the world with tons of battles, wins and loses, cultural impact from other countries. There is always something that can be restored. And there are still many bombs in the ground that can explode XD
There's never too much of history. All ethnic based-founded countries have long history, hence there's no problem with identity. Entire culture, mythology, heritage, language, customs, food. It all originated somewhere and from something. One of the things I envy Japanese people, is that they can trace their own history 12 000 years back in time. Can you imagine that? A self preservation instinct will be strong among such people.
There's one very obscure place located very close to the center of Gdańsk (near the old city) with a truly ghastly history related to WWII. Staggeringly brutal and dark. And it's not like is inaccessible to people I was there and took a few photos. There are so many histrical spots that some of them just exist under the radar. Sometimes it's not always a bad thing because you don't always want every interesting place to be overtaken by tourists.
For sure. Honestly it's fun having a historical place that's almost your own. I've enjoyed bringing friends and family to these two spots it's like I get to share this secret that no one else (or at least very few)has.
It's technically illegal to enter a forest with a motor vehicle. You need to be careful because the forestry guys are like the police and will shake you down. I lived in the country and drove my jeep around country roads. One day the forestry guys showed up out of the blue asking for papers in the middle of a dirt road. Today it might be even worse because they have a problem with ATV and motorcross guys, also: unscrupulous people dumping truck loads of trash in forests, farm animals that died because of disease, digging holes in the ground to get sand for construction, stealing electrical cabling, stealing trees (a free Christmas tree). There's like a map thing online they use where citizens mark what's perceived as anti-social behavior, then the authorities set up an ambush. There's another map website that shows who the forests belong to: the state or a private owner. There are also pieces of land with trees that are not classified as forests. Basically everyone enters the forests but when you run into the cammo dudes they can fine you from 500 to 2000 PLN for being there.
@@ipodman1910 The beginning of the video has what looks like a hood of a car in it. "Ruch pojazdem silnikowym, zaprzęgowym i motorowerem w lesie dozwolony jest jedynie drogami publicznymi, natomiast drogami leśnymi jest dozwolony tylko wtedy, gdy są one oznakowane drogowskazami dopuszczającymi ruch po tych drogach. Nie dotyczy to inwalidów poruszających się pojazdami przystosowanymi do ich potrzeb". The forestry guys are there to shake you down. They also think that your exhaust pipe will set the brush on fire or that you're there poaching deer and what not. It's best to enter on a mountain bike and even if you do they still can say you're responsible for the destruction of mycelium "niszczenie grzybni" in the forest.
Part of the problem with the pieces of history that are left to rot, is the legislation. Say you would like to buy an old palace and restore it and the oryginal building had copper roof. The new one must be copper too - can you think of the cost of it with current copper prices? So people give up on the project. The state would rather let it rot than relax the rules and let private investor turn it intro something majestic again. Check Pałac Słonowice - a succesful project.
Absolutely. I think a balance needs to be found before more buildings are lost. A friend of mine has a palace near Nysa, he often speaks of the challenges and requirements from the government can be pretty crazy.
The very idea that more modern buildings (say from XVII century) can be bought and owned by private owners, is not bad in principle. This solution is common in Europe and gives the chance to restore old objects with private capital. Obviously the regulations are usually strict when it comes to materials and documentation, so it is definitely a sport for the wealthy. The rest is usually in custody of local authorities that not always have funds for restoring them. A good solution would be to assign resources from the central budget to selected object across the country. I mean smaller object, because the big ones are probably centrally subsidized already.
Problem is Poland spends too much time dwelling on more recent history such as their rabid warm feeling for the very large nation east that occupies 12 time zones and their worship of the real estate located in Oświęcim that they are fixated upon.
There's thousands if not more of these forts, in some places they're like 1km apart in almost a grid. If they're marked as archaeological site then you will have very hard time building anything on them, anytime you want to buy or sell a building parcel(or a building with the parcel, or a flat) the seller has to include an attachment showing the location of archaeological sites in the area. Farmland iirc is excluded, but then again nobody's going out of his way to plough something like that(with how uneven the ground is). Theoretically someone could do illegal archaeology there but it's dubious because there simply isn't much to find there. The classic pottery shards and charcoal kind of findings, not really any treasure, not even human remains, and it's generally known(to anyone even remotely interested in them for any reason) so nobody does it. At the same time we have a backlog of findings from them sitting in big boxes from the excavations in the 1960's that weren't properly combed through so it's not like archaeologists are enthusiastic about doing excavations there either. A good enough sample of what can be found there was already found.
there are archeological sites in Poland where you have houses/forts built on top of one another over literally thousands of years. There are even old forts/circular enclosures dating back to 5500BC oh and check out Gora Zyndrama, the earliest stone fort on the site was built around 1700BC and the latest one was built already in the Middle Ages. Anyway in many parts of Poland "Swedish walls/forts" are actually what people used to call early medieval "grody" i.e. forts with walls made of earth and timber.
As someone already mentioned polish archeology has a lot of red tape, for that reason most of them aim for conducting excavations abroad. Even if you google the phrase "polish archeologists" you'd most likely get articles about foreign excavations instead of domestic ones. Another reason is that Poland always has been a melting pot of cultures, since most archeologists specialise in one specific field we have big issues with proper coordination in conducting excavations. Lastly there is a labour shortage, domestic polish archeologists have their hands full with excavating unmarked graves which are extremely numerous through the country, either from ww1, ww2 or many other. I swear to god, in my home town each time there are some road works they always have to send in a team of archaeologists because they found some old skeletons.
This is not any Swedish rampart. This is an old Slavic hillfort which is probably around 10 centuries old, the local population - and this is a common phenomenon in northern Poland - old hillfort were called Swedish ramparts, the same thing happened near Lidzbark, where I come from, the old hillfort was also called a Swedish rampart.
I'm just going by what was written in the archeological papers I found online concerning the second fort which called it a Swedish trench fort and dated it to the 7-9th centuries.
@@anamericaninpoland In the seventh century Sweden did not exist yet. There were only Vikings and Varangians... and yes, Varangians conquered a Slavic country in the tenth century, but not Poland, but present-day Russia and Ukraine. In Poland we had the Swedish conquest of the country in the seventeenth century, and many earth fortifications, earth ramparts, were associated by the local population with the Swedish Deluge, and what was unknown and had the shape of an earth rampart was called in this way.
@maciejkwiatkowski7558 very interesting thanks for the clarification. I wish I could find a polish history course in English. I'm learning a lot while researching my local area but still so much more to learn.
In high school we went to archaeological camps, supervised by an educator and a professional archaeologist. Our work was mainly 'black work', painstakingly removing the upper layers of the site and when something was found we were chased away and the archaeologist stepped in. Kids get bored quickly and the daily work in the excavation was a challenge for us, but 40 years have passed and I still remember it with pleasure. I must also add that for archaeologists, leaving a site such as this old fort alone is a form of protection and such sites are often left for future generations of archaeologists with their newer, more effective methods of research.
Great video. One doesn't have to go far. In the forest on the east side of Radość outside Warszawa there are lots of remnants, e.g. trenches showing the opposing lines from the 1920 Polish-Russian War. No signs.
Thanks for watching!! It amazes me every day just how much history we all walk past every day that isn't noticed. In Luboń I drove past a WW2 pill box for almost a year before I noticed it.
Most archeo sites are left untouched for future generations. Excavations usually destroy the site, so if there are no research to be made or construction in that place ( that would destroy the place, hence warenting "emergency" excavations) , polish archeologists try not to dig. They first look through docs and findings from past digs, then if they have no other choice, they go to site. They try not to destroy the entire site, but only a fragment. For archeologist place, layers where artifact was found give context. Context is a king. That's why archeologists get butthurt whenever people with metal detectors go to site and dig up stuff. All context is lost. Site gets damaged or destroyed. So when you learn about archeo sit, leave it be. For our children.
totally valid point of view, on the other side if we dig all remains of old past poland would be nothing but hydepark ;) however i get your point there are many underestimated / unrevealed to public places of remarkable history. Blame Gov and lack of funding.
also to put some light on untold topic - the church is doing a lot to prevent any pre-christian signs of civilisation to be revealed. that is also a problem. thanks for putting up this topic it is really important and weird indeed.
There are so many of these remains in the form of settlements from the times before the establishment of the Polish state that many of them have not even been discovered yet. Thanks to satellite images and precise measurements of altitude using lidar, we discover several new places every year. Some are even several thousand years old and there is still room for spectacular discoveries, such as Zyndram mountain, where the oldest stone walls in this part of Europe from 3.5 thousand years ago were discovered. I remember that as a child, together with my father, we discovered one unidentified stronghold in Masuria on a peninsula of a lake that was not in archaeological documents on maps. So Poland is a country where everyone can still feel like an explorer ;)
Exactly!! It was an awesome experience getting to explore a place that's over 1000 years old and think of the people who were here. It's like being Indiana Jones even if in only a small way.
Star Forts _ discovered with aerial imaging. Many in Poland in very decomposed conditions. Gdansk has a Star Fort, and surprise, a ring of smaller Star Forts around it.
Świetny odcinek i świetnie to wypunktowałeś. Przykład takiego zapomnianego neolitycznego (i przełomowego) znaleziska archeologicznego w Polsce znajduje się w Petrowicach Wielkich koło Raciborza na śląsku, niedaleko mojego miasta. Nie wiem czy Wikipedia podaje zweryfikowane dane, ale "Rondel" jak nazwano to miejsce, było grodem/osadą zbudowaną pomiędzy 5200-1900r przed naszą erą.... No i oprócz kilku informacji w gazetach oraz kilku prac badawczych nie wydarzyło się nic - ku mojemu zdumieniu kiedy się tam wybrałem okazało się że to po prostu uprawne pole, porośnięte kapustą...wrzucam link z Wikipedii gdybyś chciał może poczytać. Pozdrawiam i dziękuję za ten odcinek. pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondel_(budowla)
dziękuję bardzo cieszę się, że spodobał Ci się ten film. nie mogę się doczekać przeczytania artykułu, który zamieściłeś. naprawdę niesamowite, ile historii kryje się pod naszymi stopami, a może pod kapustą 😄
Archeological excavations costs, so often the only chance to research are resque operations when f.ex. the big road has to be build on a site. That's Polish reality...
History of most Castle ruins in Poland: build during the reign of Casmir the Great (1333-1370), slowly declined overtime or ruined during Swedish Deluge (1655-1660), never rebuilt, left as ruin... or worse: deconstructed and material used for building other building (happened mostly during partition period) .There're few places where only an artificial hill next to river is a sign that this was the place where local castle was build... no bricks, stones or other foundation can be found there, only signs with information, this is where Castle used to be... sometime with history of the castle itself (when it was build, who was the owner, etc. up to it's destruction)
Dude... from Poles point of view - I live in a place, not city but place in that city that were occupied, that someone lived for at least 1000 years before. I know that few hundreds of meters from me are buried remains of settelment fom that time period or older. My city's administrations know that for at least 80 years, just now they want to unburied it. Also in that area is renovated defence tower from XII century that you can visit... and there are many many places like this around. Every where you step there is at least 600-1200 years of histroy below your feet and that is similar for most of the Europe if not older. We just not have the funds to uncover and maintain everything.
As a kid i took part in archeological excavation of 4000ish b.c. burial site in Kujawsko-Pomorskie voivodship. The archeologists arrived in something like fiat seicento or other bullshit small car and after the whole excavation they had no means of taking those urns with them, so they left it in our garage for the time being. I had my bicycle in that garage, and was very scared of ghosts, especially those ancient kind ones. I thought they gonna idk shut the doors behind me or other scary things, so in order to assert my dominance over them i took a skull fragment from the box and licked it. I think the ghost were as confused of what i did there as I am, as an adult person, now.
One may wonder, why so many of Poland's once-glorious castles (that you mentioned) are in ruins? In most cases they were destroyed during the "Swedish Deluge", as the Swedish invasion of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1655-1657 is called by Poles. Its extreme brutality, massive plunder, looting and destruction are probably unmatched in Europe from that time until World War 2. Today, many of the booty from Poland can be admired in Sweden's museums.
I'm not familiar with that part of Polish history myself. I know Lech was the brother who founded Poland but beyond that I have no knowledge. I still have a lot to learn
@@anamericaninpoland they don't teach it in schools because they are supposedly myths and fairy tales, something like mythical Greece and Egypt, but there are still countries that call Poland by its original name, which is Lechistan, there are a lot of records but you have to look for them, and in general, Poland has always been in the eyes west and others, the worse one, so they couldn't let it turn out that we had a history older than the Sumerians.
@MarJin727 that's interesting. In Ireland it's ancient history which people consider fairy tales is taught in school as it's considered a cultural foundation.
@@anamericaninpoland Poland should follow Ireland's example in this matter, the Lechite story is as crazy as the Lord of the Rings, there are some stone tablets with an image of a Lechite soldier riding a raptor, which would mean that dinosaurs lived in the same period as advanced man, but that's not all , now I'm going to make your brain explode, a few years ago, archaeologists found Triceratops bones somewhere in the world and started examining its bones with new carbon technology and they estimated that this dinosaur walked the earth about 25,000 years ago, which would mean that these stone tablets told the truth, and not only myths, because, as they say, there is a grain of truth hidden in every fairy tale.
One of the other people commenting mentioned that people are also using satellites and that has helped locate a large number of historical sites. I think it's great!! I hope you enjoyed the video
Unfortunately Poland like many northern European countries spent centuries longer building in wood. The result is far less remaining structures that's where the southern countries have the advantage for sure.
Yeah, we are in the geographical middle of europe... it means we are between Russia and Germany which after Roman empire collapse means we are not having holidays...
Na tablicy pisze " Grodzisko Pierścieniowate " a nie Szwedzkie . Słowo Szwedzkie wzięło się od Pruskich archeologów którzy w 19-tym wieku badali takie obiekty po to, żeby udowodnić germańskie pochodzenie. Nazywali te miejsca " Szwedzkimi Górami " tłumacząc miejscowym Polakom że w czasie " Szwedzkiego Potopu " Szwedzi sypali te górki pod armaty żeby mogły dalej strzelać . Siła kłamstwa jest niesamowita i wieczna . Gadanie o Szwedzkich Górach jest powszechne . Tako rzecze Zaratustra. Serdecznie pozdrawiam.
Actually your explanation is incorrect as well. This style of construction was common in Sweden and the name just became common use. It's no different than in English we say French fries it doesn't mean they are made only in France.
Such structure from the XVII century is not interesting but from the VI century, it is interesting 🙂 I visited such a place in southern Poland last year. Several kilometres from this place there is another place where stone with a wheeled cart draw (the oldest in the world) was found. That is something interesting. We have quite a lot of such places and thousands of people whose hobby is to discover them.
Hey Man! It's a great video in overall, because I had no idea about the burgwall in Kaciałkowa Górka. But you've made a major factual error in stating it's a "Swedish ringfort from VII-IX c.". There was no Sweden in these times! There were Nordic tribes inhabiting Scandinavian peninsula, described by Tacitus and Jordanes as Suiones, Suetidi and Suehans. In VII c. these are in the midst of the Vendel Period. In VIII c. the Viking era starts. Proper Swedish history starts more or less from the X c. Eric the Victorious, but wars between Swedish (Uppland) and Geatic (Goetaland) tribes continued well into XI and even XIII c. This is all within the southern Scandinavia, so no way any proper Swedish ringforts from this period were built in the Greater Poland, just under the nose of Piast dynasty (in the middle of the Polish foundational region, between Poznań and Gniezno). These could be earlier Gothic forts from I c. Wielbark culture or late Celtic Przeworsk culture, but according to the official INet page it was settled between VI and VII c. and contains pottery from the Iron Age Lusatian culture, which is at least 1000 years older! It's only colloquially called a "Swedish trench". You can find a very scant info about it on the "Kasztelania Ostrowska" pages: "Baza Danych o Regionie Kasztelanii Ostrowskiej", "grodzisko średniowieczne w Kociałkowej Górce".
Correct. The colloquial name is a Swedish trench fort or Swedish ring fort. Neither of which names have anything to do with Swedes in Poland but just delineates the type of fortification. I should have clarified that during the video but for me it's just a name kind of like french fries even though they're not French.
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Nice insight. Is there any chance you share pin with position of that Grod in Google Maps? I would like to visit it someday soon. Maybe during one of my motorbike trips... 🏍️
i for example live in close to royal castle ruins that was and is part of "szlak orlich gniazd" and this one is the most northern one and comes from the aaround 14th century was build due to Casimir the Great orders and i live like 3 km from it also around me in aprox 250 meters - 1km +/- in every direction there is a WW2 bunker from small hole in the ground to anti aircraft bunker or tank hideout i bellive. And im sure there is more historical sites around me that i dont even know about or are not lets say asigned
so polands problem is that we have to much lore to tell and show but dont have enoth funds to show evrything as a polish person that both very funny and intresting observacion lol
It's definitely a double edged sword but not one that is meant to offend because I don't think any country could possibly afford preserving so much history.
There is an institution in Poland that deals with monuments. It is called the Provincial Conservator of Monuments. Unfortunately, it's the post-communist clique that doesn't care. People with metal detectors who would like to help uncover the history are facing criminal charges. Construction investments that require archaeological supervision do not have it because it is enough to pay a bribe
that's pretty much same for nearly all countries across the globe. Poland is actually on the less significant and less rich side of things. US is the exception here
Very true. Although I disagree that Poland is less significant as it has been at the centre of European conflict for the last 1000 years, I agree that triage is necessary when considering where to invest in archaeology.
@@anamericaninpoland well you got mediterranean countries just across the block and compared to them or middle east that is also nearby we look pale in comparison :)
Historia w pewnym sensie kulą u nogi. Powinna spajać Polaków, a ich dzieli. Wielu nie pozbyło się głębokiej indoktrynacji rosyjskiej w okresie PRL, i przekazało ją na swoje potomstwo.
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed the video!! I'm learning polish but it's a slow process. I understand maybe 50-60% of spoken conversation now but I really struggle forming my own sentences but I try my best.
@@anamericaninpoland Thats really good. Yeah Iam learning but not as far as you. Have you heard of Steve Kaufmann and stephen krashen? They talk about language learning and are really interesting. I have a play list with videos that might be interesting. It should be a public list.
It was Viking culture then. Vikings were common in northern Poland in those times. Only later they divide into separate kingdoms of Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
I'm not sure but the archeological papers that read written by Polish archeologists specifically called it a Swedish trench fort. I will post a link to the paper in the pinned comment
Ci są u władzy, nie chcą aby historia Polski sprzed Chrztu w 966 r. Była znana. W szkołach się jej nie uczymy. Nie chcą żebyśmy wiedzieli, ze jesteśmy starą cywilizacją, że Lechia to było potężne imeprium. Teraz mówi się o tym czasie, że to tylko legendy. Ale Twoje odkrycie świadczy o tym że tak nie jest! Dzięki!
@@anamericaninpolandgreat lechia is just a hoax. It's like believing in flat earth 😂 ofc the Slavic culture existed, but it wasn't an empire which vanished due to some shadys figures plots and there's no reason to believe in it. Of course Slavic history is fascinating and pre-Polish times on this land are interesting as hell, so I highly recommend to know more about this if you want 😂 but keep in mind that the lechia is just a conspiracy like sasquatch or aryan empire 😂
Lechia to mit turbosłowian. Natomiast dynastia Lechów to fakt. Mówi o tym chociażby niemiecka książka dotycząca dynastii polskich, wydana w pierwszej połowie XIX wieku. Dynastia ta istniała w latach 550 - 950. Dodatkowo wzmianki o Lechach istnieją w annałach tureckich, jak i za wschodnią granicą. Ale to dynastia a nie imperium. Polecam się zaznajomić z Przylądkiem Arkona - Kap Arkona i ataku na nią, przeprowadzonego przez króla Danii 15 czerwca 1168 roku. Mówimy o północnych terenach dzisiejszych Niemiec, jako że plemiona germańskie nie miały wtedy dostępu do morza. Tereny owe były zamieszkane przez Ranów, czyli Słowian Połabskich.
Dude, you just made such a good clickbait... and it is a "problem" in Poland. Try to go with your trusty metal detector and search something... Not without special (and I mean SPECIAL) permission with full topo documentation of your doings. Its pain in the arse you know. Everything in the ground belong to the state.
For sure. I've watched some videos of people doing the metal detecting it's really impressive and far more involved than I could have imagined. Not a hobby for me but I'm really impressed by the work and passion of the people who do it.
By przy okazji zniszczyć bezpowrotnie kawał historii dla jakiegoś kawałka skorodowanego metalu, czy paru skorup, które dla amatora nie mają wartości ale mogą być bezcenne dla naukowca?
@ Masz rację. Miejsca historyczne objęte ochroną prawną mają znaczenie. A pozostały teren? Archeolodzy mają tysiące, jeśli nie dziesiątki tysięcy miejsc których nigdy nie odwiedzą bo nie mają na to ludzi i środków. Pod tym względem będe uparty i stwierdzę jedynie że polskie prawo przekombinowało ten aspekt grubo nad czerwoną linię...
@@bratb2094 to powszechne, populistyczne narzekanie, a wszyscy wiemy, że detektorysci marząc o skarbach rozkopią wszystko, nawet nieoznaczone groby, zresztą u ruskich to i groby rozkopują
We have a 13th century fort within a mile of my cabin. It’s marked on Google maps but no signs. It is slowly being eroded by off road motorcyclists. Also a couple of mikes away is a WWII German Army camp. Again no details and I can’t find anything about it online.
@normantighe5420 unfortunately that seems that's really common. I will say there are a lot of entrepreneurs here in Poland that have done a lot to save the baroque architecture but it seems like there isn't an equal appreciation for all periods of Polish historical sites.
You see, as a Pole its hard to learn our own history, our country is soo old and have so much documented and not documented history. You just cant learn everything, recently I found out that my familly house is on burrial mound from 1300s....
That's amazing!! I'm currently researching the crossover between the myth and actual history of Lech. It's amazing how much archeological evidence is coming up supporting parts of the myth pushing the history of an organized Poland further and further back into history. It's pretty amazing to see how complex the history of Poland really is. And yes it is impossible to know it all but it's fun to learn as much as we can.
@@anamericaninpoland The associations are well aware of the law on prospecting. They have a lot of online tools including databases of interesting sites, maps of archaeological sites. They even have a map made with Lidar technology, where you can see “that something was dug on a large scale.” I'm talking about traces of buildings, excavations, etc.
It's just because our government is more interested in to handing out money to banks and milioners instead in to valuable thing's, also Ukrainian history is completely neglected and suppressed in Poland, and this history is massive 90% of people in some parts of historic Poland we're Ukrainian, our anthem was completed and played first time in Przemyśl, 1000 year old Kievian Rus forts just rot in forest without any mention and many many more
@anamericaninpoland they have their own history, or shared one but as it happens border's change wars are fought, and many parts of Poland history just weren't theirs the best example there was Lemko, Boyko, and Dolynians Ukrainian speaking ethnic groups that mainly resided in Podkarpackie most of their history is erased and what's left is abandoned graveyards in forests burned down churches, houses and cottage names in Ukrainian with Polish spelling and in this part of country Poles had zero positive effects and they made zero history whatsoever a side from war's, genocide of this people and they eventual deportation that killed their culture. So what I want to say history of Poland is complicated and the part that foreigners see is cut out narrative of Polish government witch serves nationalist and national cohesion.
Hey :) i live near Nakla. If you want we can make some kind of collaboration. I know a lot when it comes to pomeranian region so i think it would be interesitng to see on yt
The problem in the USA is "native" tribes are basically claiming that every piece of land is sacred ground. By doing so they've minimised the impact of their argument. It's unfortunate because there is some truth to their argument I'm sure that some burial ground has been disturbed the same as in every city in the world but the extremists for their movement have taken away all of their credibility.
I'm sorry but, if it comes from the 7th or 9th century it should not be called Swedish. Back in the days there was no Sweden but various Norman tribes conquering adjacent kingdoms.
Some people do not want the evidence of Nazi German atrocities to remain for tourists to see, so pressure has been exerted to clean up such places (and even make them development ready in some cases). A good example is what has been happening in the Owl Mountains (Góry Sowie) where the German Riese complex including the Nazi SS controlled underground city network was located. Please be careful if you want to go and hike there. The 4th generation of Nazi "watchers" are keeping an eye on the place to prevent explorers and treasure hunters from getting to the bottom of it, plus now "someone" (BND + German military or perhaps CIA + US military?) is actually actively doing classified stuff down there.
Wow that's interesting. Almost like a James bond film. Unfortunately history regardless of what country it's from is often uncomfortable. I understand the desire for some people to ignore the past even though I don't condone it.
@@anamericaninpoland It is not about ignoring the past. It is about controlling the narrative. Germany aspires to being the civilization leader of Europe and beyond. It is kind of hard if people have frequent reminders of what you did just 80+ years ago. If you went to Germany you would be surprised to see they have completely removed any traces of some (most?) of the concentration / death camps there. BTW, @RieseOlbrzym is a great channel on the hidden history of WW2 mostly within the current territory of Poland with focus on the Riese complex (unfortunately in Polish only, but you can get an idea of what that area looks like). In some videos Mr. Kwiecień shows places where just a few years ago there were still remains of the Nazi slave labor camps and nothing is there anymore today. Riese is THE place where the R&D for "the Bell" (Die Glocke) "antigravity" device was carried out from 1930s until the end of WW2. Then the team was relocated to places like the Groom Lake facilities in Nevada thanks to Op. 📎
It is not about ignoring the past. It is about controlling the narrative. Germany aspires to being the civilization leader of Europe and beyond. It is kind of hard if people have frequent reminders of what you did just 80+ years ago. If you went to Germany you would be surprised to see they have completely removed any traces of some (most?) of the concentration / death camps there. BTW, @RieseOlbrzym is a great channel on the hidden history of WW2 mostly within the current territory of Poland with focus on the Riese complex (unfortunately in Polish only, but you can get an idea of what that area looks like). In some videos Mr. Kwiecień shows places where just a few years ago there were still remains of the Nazi slave labor camps and nothing is there anymore today. Riese is THE place where the R&D for "the Bell" (Die Glocke) "antigravity" device was carried out from 1930s until the end of WW2. Then the team was relocated to places like the Groom Lake facilities in Nevada thanks to Op. 📎
@@anamericaninpoland Please, contact your local PTTK guide. Those people are really, really buff. They can show you a really mind blowing places quite near place you live :)
@anamericaninpoland It may be the case of a local tales as nordic eg viking settlements quite common in northern Poland where mistakedly called swedish...
But You have it... What about old indian culture...you try do not remember it because you closed they in reserves and killed them. Unfortunately you don't pay attention to this and this is important part of yours history.
Old Indian culture was vastly nomadic and doesn't leave much evidence behind other than maybe an arrow head or such. Also it's spread over a much much larger land mass so what evidence does exist isn't as concentrated. Also your concept that Americans try to hide their shame of Indian culture is ignorant. It is taught and there are museums dedicated to them and their history. I'm very comfortable talking about history the good the bad and the ugly even Poland has committed atrocities so as they say "he who is without sin may cast the first stone"
You have to consider one factor, Poland was destroyed and burned down to the ground many times just in last 300 years, because of that its really difficult to care and renovate all history sites. Nazi camp in Nekla been next railway station. Few miles from Nekla is small village Giecz with Archaeological reserve, current study is suggesting first capital of Poland probably was there. In 70’s reserve manager was Stefan Sojecki who was 1944 Warsaw Uprising radio presenter, radio called Błyskawica. You right there is a lot history in Poland.
Interesting. I had not heard that about giecz being thought of as a possibility for the first capitol. I'll have to Google that and do some more reading. I'm very familiar with the location, in the summer I go with my wife's family there for church on Sundays.
Our history is our heritage. If now for the history, we would not exist anymore, so if this tires you l have a suggestion for you to go home and take care of your country's own problems Do not like our history? You do not have to be here
I don't understand why you would make such a comment. My channel does nothing but promote Poland in a positive way. Obviously you have some problems of your own. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the video hopefully the next one will be more to your liking but I doubt it.
Well obviously you haven't watched my videos because if you had I am very critical of America and promote Poland in a very positive light. But obviously you are someone who likes to complain from a position of ignorance. I hope you have a great rest of your day and can find other content that you will appreciate more than mine.
In Poland, archeological history is guarded by authorities because the country shall have no history. It is not just a matter of money or whether it is Swedish or not. As long as we have non-polish elites, the problem will prevail.
@@anamericaninpoland Nope, this is older. Poland (and Slavic lands as such) are bomb loaded with mind-boggling stuff for archeology - graves, settlements, stellar installations, industries, megalithics, you name it. Many of them are on the surface, just like the one found in this video, but doing cartography of those alone can get you in trouble (visits from the policy, strange charges, etc.). See, the Christian churches have not only played a huge role in destroying what was before them, but also to guard against any re-discovery and to ridicule any history before them. The world-view of Slavic (or any barbaric) inferiority is cultivated. Don't take me wrong, I am not against Christianity as such, but technically it was introduced as a means of control by the powers of the Roman Empire and its attitudes are being pro-longed by any pro-western elite.
Ok just for clarification and because I'm tired of responding to the same comment over and over. The name "Swedish trench or Swedish ring fort" has to do with the style of construction not who built it. I hope this offers some clarification. Also here is a link with the original research documents filed with the registry of monuments.
zabytek.pl/pl/obiekty/g-293280
The clarification needs to be = Gord - which is a trench fort. As it's in Poland - it is a Polish trench fort.
Gord - old Slavonic, [Lech / Piast]. Grod - modern Polish.
These were defensive structures during the Bronze Age and common in Northern Europe to 1000 AD
There are very many in Ireland, and for some strange reason, are called Irish trench forts.
If there are such forts in Sweden, [no such place], - then they would have been stolen from Poland during the Deluge. Thus becoming Swedish, [no such entity], ring forts.
z góry przepraszam za zły angielski in short why we dont care about archeology much is because even if some janusz or grażyna decided to do so and they found some relicts or god help gold goverment will take it away leaving you with nothing and our people have enough problems surviving goverments than wasting resources to even start diging history sites. if we had government that would finaly support poland and people we could finaly take a breath but that problem you talk about is goverment greed, that we have sheep not people, and 2 dogs from both sides waiting for eagle to land so they can grab it again while they slowly pluck its feathers... pozdrawiam
@gaypootin2950 unfortunately that's the same everywhere. It has always confused me how governments can just claim what someone finds without paying them the value of the item.
@@anamericaninpolandbecause here you don't "own" land, every part of Poland is owned by the government, so when you buy a property they are technically loaning it to you.
I think it is impossible for any developed country to maintain every historical object as kind of mini museum. Hundreds of holes in the forests nearby my area are medieval silver/lead mines.
Very true!!
Old World, especially Europe, has archeological "Klęska Urodzaju", as we call it in Poland, because there is *JUST TOO MUCH* things to preserve.
Very true!!
Zaprośmy Niemców to nam wywiozą wszystko jak w 39/45.
Mają wprawę. 🤨
Contrary to appearances, archaeological law in Poland is very strict! In my city, the City Council decided to renovate the old market square - archaeological research had to be done twice before that, which delayed the investment by two years. This process cannot be omitted.
I agree and it shouldn't be omitted but I think that some of it should be streamlined. I don't think a historic building should fall to the ground due to the fear of government overreach making it prohibitively expensive to restore.
so tell us Tomasz, why history of Poland before christianity vanished ?
@@reptileman8943 History has not disappeared, it simply has not been recorded! There are simply no written records - they appeared after Prince Mieszko I was baptized in 966. Then the first church scribes appeared who used the written Latin language. Before that, the Slavic tribes inhabiting today's Poland simply did not use writing.Apart from that, early Slavic castles were built of wood, usually near rivers and lakes. After more than 1000 years, not much remains of them - now only earth ramparts can be found in these places.
@@reptileman8943 it's not about christianity, it's because it was wood made
@@tomaszju9949 It wasn't recorded because Mieszko didn't allowed it. I have a German book from early XIX century that speaks of 3, not 2 dynasties in Poland. The first one in years 550 - 950 was the Lech dynasty. Turkish annals have same name reference toward our ancestors tribes. Ukrainians called us Lachy. And I don't mean TurboSlavic Lechia, but Lech's dystany like in that story which is taught during Polish language classes. There were 3 brothers. Lech, Czech and Rus. We have polin not Poland since Mieszko was baptised, that's why there are Polish speaking politicians and hanuka in parliment. The heritage of our ancestors was ditched for cultural wapon of desert, that was invented with one goal in mind. To subvert Roman empire, which as we know already fell while not being pagan, but christian. The other cultural tool that was created by same people is islam. And both Europe and Arabia were colonized by these weapons, just to play two races against each other. The religion of weak - show mercy, give your other cheek - vs religion of holy war. That's how you prepare the checkerboard, set the pieces and allow event to unfold almost by themselves. The third party, that 9is davids son's lackey - USA - is doing what has to be done to topple cultures of old continent. Destabilizing Arabia. This createds floods od wanderers that end up at our door steps. It's a very clever tactics, that leavels your hands clean, while your enemies delete each other, while being driven by the ideologies of your own making. Best subversion you can create. Isn't it fascinating that "always the victims" were always living among christians and muslims? That's what good supervisors do. They were looking closely do we teach Greek mythology in our schools instead of Slavic one. After all you should be ashamed and full of contempt toward ways of your own ancestors.
Hello there journeyman from great country of America. I want to share a funny story related to the subject of your video. Im 40 now and in the mid 1990's i was young 10 year old boy. I lived in city of Inowroclaw, which is located in historical state "Kujawy". Its a small-ish town with roughly 70k population. About 150 meters from my appartment block we used to play with the boys on grassy, hilly meadow. It was just there almost in the city centre, used as a farmer's land and like unused piece of land, maybe with size of 0,5 square mile. In around 1994-1995 the decision was made by city council to develop something on this piece of meadowy land. And finally city sold the ground to grocery store brand. They wanted to build first capitalistic bigger supermarket store there. And when the building was about to get started, they found pieces of ancient vessels. So the costruction was stopped and the archeologists arrived. They started digging and we, 8-12 year old good boys from the streets, decided to help them and maybe, possible find a treasure in the ground before even before them. Now starts the funny part. The digging area was divided into less and more promissing spaces. We, the bois, were just some kids, totally amateur and not knowing anything about proper archeo digging process. But we had the shovels and lot of grit. It turned out that our location, 20 meters from the restricted area, happened to have real treasures. We found a piece of skull of an ancient man, we found pieces of middle-to-late neolithic culture pieces of vessels (that's even 7,5 thousands year old) Its very old even by global standards of known human history. I personally found a rock, palm sized flat rock, with a pressure mark of sea shell. That could be close 9-11 thousands years old - before post glacials sea waters have gone back to todays frontiers. Lots of treasures were found these summer weeks, most of them are still there in supermarket's glass cabinet just by the entrance to the shop with pictures and real pieces. That was fucking fascinating. We have been playing there many years, not knowing, that beneath our feet, was once an ancient village or home to ancient men. I wonder how many of these are still not found to this day. .......... Anyway good luck finding another great pieces of history. We humans, should take more care about our history. Without that, we are nothing. Yo
That's amazing!! What an awesome memory and experience for a young boy! It's amazing to think of what was here before us and to think that in some distant future what people will find from us. Thanks for sharing your story I'm super jealous of your childhood adventure it's what every boy dreams of!
@@anamericaninpoland Thanks. Amazingly i just found the report from that dig nid.pl/dopobrania/KSIEGARNIA/Informator_Archeologiczny/IA_Badania1999.pdf On page 103, of course in polish language (you can google translate it) you will find, that my memory was not wrong. Sadly, the exact date is missing when was it really done.
awesome comment, my man
Dziękuję za tą informację,ciekawe,że w Polsce się tego nie ogłasza,chociaż ostatnio już zaczynają wspominać o starożytnej historii naszego kraju Fakt,że uczono nas w szkole,że dawniej był u nas okres polodowcowy,ale , że kultura starsza niż bliskowschodnia tj Sumer, począwszy od ok.3000 pne nie, świadczyłoby tez,że nie zostaliśmy stworzeni przez annunaki,jak niektórzy mówią,a ludzkość rozwijała się nie tylko w Afryce i wg tego,co twierdzi Biblia.Kilka razy chciałam wybrać się do Inowrocławia do uzdrowiska, obecnie tam jest,nie byłam,ale przejeżdżałam przez Inowrocław pociągiem, przepiękne tereny przypominające wyglądem muzykę Chopina.Mieszkam na zachodzie,tutaj są zupełnie inne tereny,ale za to blisko Berlina.Dziekuje jeszcze raz za informację i przesyłam pozdrowienia z dalekiej Polski .
@@Alicja009 Anunaki i inne tego typu bzdury to nie są teorie naukowe.
The lack of care of these types of places has another problem…that the authorities will immediately stick their nose in to any rebuild or attempt to ‘save’ such things and demand to micromanage whatever you try. That is why historic places are either left to collapse or only taken on by those with enough money waste and time to burn. The same happens in UK and France so heritage is eventually lost.
I have a friend who owns a palace near Nysa and some of the horror stories he has told about trying to do something that the average home owner can do in a weekend takes him months because of government intervention. I understand it's supposed to help preservation of the site but there has to be a balance or like you said these places will be lost eventually.
@@anamericaninpoland Bo konserwator zabytków musi koniecznie udowodnić potrzebę swojego istnienia. Inaczej zlikwidują mu etat. Proste jak konstrukcja cepa. w każdym kraju tzw. pierwszego świata to jest. Im bogatszy kraj tym więcej pełen biurokracji i idiotyzmów bo tak działa ta cholerna machina biurokratyczna, a cytując klasyka, nic tak szybko się nie rozrasta jak biurokracja i Polska nie jest tu wyjątkiem.
@@anamericaninpoland Yeah, the preservation requirements are sometimes to absurd level... I personaly would like, old palace/castle ruins to be restored at least to the point where only exterior reassembles original (like leave all walls intacted/restored to look medievale/renessance -whatever the period was orignal to the building), but do any nessesary changes inside, so that it would make a reasonable building, capable of being used for commercial activities: hotels/restaurants/conference rooms... all that could be done inside, with preserving outside... it would definately serve better to most of these building, than leaving them to rot without any investments...
Which bride wouldn't want to have her wedding at a castle? (even if, it would be a castle only on outside, with modern inside)
@sytrostormlord3275 I agree completely. Especially in the cases where there is almost nothing remaining of the interior.
Też napisałem komentarza ale algorytmy to debile i usunęły mój wpis.
Really appreciate authenticity of content, not just picking what's appealing to algorithm in specific country... in this case Poland.
It was really great story about this swedish ruins.
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I remember my father once found a round pistol bullet thats been casually sitting in the middle of a tree for at least a century
That's really cool
Despite a clickbaity title the content was pleasantly entertaining. Thank you!
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The reason for this is that those who were aware of these structures are long deseased. Because of this, Poland has a regulation that requires you to notify the local authorities of any such sites you come across and they are unmarked. In general, that's how it works. But yeah they are pretty amazing!
Thanks so much for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed!
Hi man! It is very inspiring to hear your thoughts about Poland. I was born in 70s and remember very well some hard times we've been through here in Poland in 80s and early 90s. The US was the promised land back than with unlimited opportunities. Lots of Polish people don't appreciate what we've achieved. Thanks, and good luck!
Poland has accomplished some amazing feats and its people should be proud. I'm proud to call Poland home as well.
You mean, they achieved not you
@keeli9448 Well, I was born in Poland and never abandoned the land of my ancestors to look for a better life. Hence, I'll stay with "what we've achieved" statement 😁
Ja jako prawdziwy Polak i katolik doceniam osiągnięcia Polski w dziedzinie astronomicznego zadłużenia, POwiększającego się deficytu budżetowego, grabieży lasów i złóż surowców, wyprzedaży majatku narodowego za bezcen w zagraniczne ręce.
@@slowdiesel1044 Panie Polaku i Katoliku, po pierwsze widze że jesteś ekonomistą bo powiększający się deficyt to coś neutralnego nie negatywnego, co do lasów to więcej siejemy niż eksploatujemy (poza tym nasz rynek meblowy jest dużą częścią gospodarki, bez ścinania lasów straciliśmy 5% wartości gospodarki. Co do majątku to proszę podać przykłady bo ja też może sobie mówić o stracie miliardów, na niewiadomo co.
I'm commenting as an American w Polskie pochodzenie - I think it's great coming across an obvious historic relic but having no initial knowledge of it. One thing I can attribute it to is, for me living in the central eastern part of USA, is the Nike missile bases. There is an awe that comes with coming across it, and then this yearning and hunt for knowing what it is by researching it through the internet and asking locals.
For sure 😄
Great video and insight. Glad you’re still with us and enjoying our country and history…
One suggestion- every time you mention a place you should include a map with name and location of the places you’re mentioning so that some history freaks can visit if they choose…
Great suggestion! I will definitely try to do that in the future. 😁😁
Better not! Usually places like this get destroyed because of revailing their location on the internet. Better left it be and let people found them by themselfes. It's like with the urbex, there's a lot of places who got revealed to the public and destroyed because of the "urbex freaks", pls don't do that.
@@anamericaninpoland I'm guessing this is the place? maps.app.goo.gl/fkeUnPPM9VK3cxmq7
there's a medieval castle ruins on every other hill in some parts, there's like 15 old castle ruins in 50km radius from me, most of them overgrown and completely unattended. as you said, plenty of history.
Pretty awesome getting to grow up in a place like that though.
Thats true, Poland is full of history. Even in my little village we have many interesting places that are full of these "markings"😃
Glad you enjoyed the video
This situation is the exact same in all European countries. You need to prioritize what site is more important, you literally can't exploit and use all the sites that exist. There are too many and much more beneath the ground we forgot about centuries or even millennia ago.
100% it's a very interesting problem to have.
@@anamericaninpoland No one actually considers it a problem. There are no plans to use all the sites; it's impossible. A random hillfort in a random forest doesn't attract people's attention at all. It's cool that it exists, but that's about it.
Many Polish treasures were stolen to Sweden, so the most important thing is to return them to the country.
(I will add a note from Wikipedia here)
The Deluge was a series of mid-17th-century military campaigns in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
in Poland and Lithuania this period is called the Swedish Deluge, 188 cities and towns, 186 villages, 136 churches, 89 palaces, and 81 castles were completely destroyed in Poland.During the wars the Commonwealth lost approximately one third of its population as well as its status as a great power due to invasions by Sweden and Russia.[9] According to Professor Andrzej Rottermund, manager of the Royal Castle in Warsaw, the destruction of Poland in the Deluge was more extensive than the destruction of the country in World War II. Rottermund claims that Swedish invaders robbed the Commonwealth of its most important riches, and most of the stolen items never returned to Poland.[10] Warsaw, the capital of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, was destroyed by the Swedes, and out of a pre-war population of 20,000, only 2,000 remained in the city after the war.
Wow that's interesting I didn't realize the invasion was that extensive. I'm definitely going to do more reading on that time period.
Poland has officially existed for 1000 years, unofficially even longer. So monuments to the past are everywhere. If it weren't for WWII and the partitions, there would be a lot more of them. For example, I visit my great-great-grandfather's grave from 1800 in my hometown.
That's very true. It's great you have such a direct connection to your past available to you though.
@@anamericaninpoland I now look after my grandmother, his granddaughter. A family sabre hangs over her bed. Austro-Hungarian, from the time od partitions. Used in the cavalry during the War of Independence and the Polish-Bolshevik War. We live in history because it surrounds us from all sides.
That's very cool I wish I had family artifacts like that unfortunately I don't.
@@anamericaninpoland artifacts are not important, they Just help US to rembember our past. Take care bro.
TBH half of the country is one big museum. If we want to make everything a musem then there is no place for progress. Poland has one of the biggest history in the world with tons of battles, wins and loses, cultural impact from other countries. There is always something that can be restored. And there are still many bombs in the ground that can explode XD
That is very true!!
There's never too much of history. All ethnic based-founded countries have long history, hence there's no problem with identity. Entire culture, mythology, heritage, language, customs, food. It all originated somewhere and from something. One of the things I envy Japanese people, is that they can trace their own history 12 000 years back in time. Can you imagine that? A self preservation instinct will be strong among such people.
I agree. That's why I say it's not a bad problem to have. It only proves to strengthen cultural ties.
There's one very obscure place located very close to the center of Gdańsk (near the old city) with a truly ghastly history related to WWII. Staggeringly brutal and dark. And it's not like is inaccessible to people I was there and took a few photos. There are so many histrical spots that some of them just exist under the radar. Sometimes it's not always a bad thing because you don't always want every interesting place to be overtaken by tourists.
For sure. Honestly it's fun having a historical place that's almost your own. I've enjoyed bringing friends and family to these two spots it's like I get to share this secret that no one else (or at least very few)has.
It's technically illegal to enter a forest with a motor vehicle. You need to be careful because the forestry guys are like the police and will shake you down. I lived in the country and drove my jeep around country roads. One day the forestry guys showed up out of the blue asking for papers in the middle of a dirt road. Today it might be even worse because they have a problem with ATV and motorcross guys, also: unscrupulous people dumping truck loads of trash in forests, farm animals that died because of disease, digging holes in the ground to get sand for construction, stealing electrical cabling, stealing trees (a free Christmas tree). There's like a map thing online they use where citizens mark what's perceived as anti-social behavior, then the authorities set up an ambush. There's another map website that shows who the forests belong to: the state or a private owner. There are also pieces of land with trees that are not classified as forests. Basically everyone enters the forests but when you run into the cammo dudes they can fine you from 500 to 2000 PLN for being there.
Thanks for the heads up!!
They cannot fine you for entering the forest as long as you’re on foot and the entry is not specifically forbidden
@@ipodman1910 The beginning of the video has what looks like a hood of a car in it. "Ruch pojazdem silnikowym, zaprzęgowym i motorowerem w lesie dozwolony jest jedynie drogami publicznymi, natomiast drogami leśnymi jest dozwolony tylko wtedy, gdy są one oznakowane drogowskazami dopuszczającymi ruch po tych drogach. Nie dotyczy to inwalidów poruszających się pojazdami przystosowanymi do ich potrzeb". The forestry guys are there to shake you down. They also think that your exhaust pipe will set the brush on fire or that you're there poaching deer and what not. It's best to enter on a mountain bike and even if you do they still can say you're responsible for the destruction of mycelium "niszczenie grzybni" in the forest.
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@@ipodman1910 Objaśnij mi, czego nie rozumiem.
Part of the problem with the pieces of history that are left to rot, is the legislation. Say you would like to buy an old palace and restore it and the oryginal building had copper roof. The new one must be copper too - can you think of the cost of it with current copper prices? So people give up on the project. The state would rather let it rot than relax the rules and let private investor turn it intro something majestic again. Check Pałac Słonowice - a succesful project.
Absolutely. I think a balance needs to be found before more buildings are lost. A friend of mine has a palace near Nysa, he often speaks of the challenges and requirements from the government can be pretty crazy.
The very idea that more modern buildings (say from XVII century) can be bought and owned by private owners, is not bad in principle. This solution is common in Europe and gives the chance to restore old objects with private capital. Obviously the regulations are usually strict when it comes to materials and documentation, so it is definitely a sport for the wealthy.
The rest is usually in custody of local authorities that not always have funds for restoring them. A good solution would be to assign resources from the central budget to selected object across the country. I mean smaller object, because the big ones are probably centrally subsidized already.
Problem is Poland spends too much time dwelling on more recent history such as their rabid warm feeling for the very large nation east that occupies 12 time zones and their worship of the real estate located in Oświęcim that they are fixated upon.
I think this is common for a lot of countries. It's fresh in the memory and affected families directly so it isn't as abstract as ancient history.
There's thousands if not more of these forts, in some places they're like 1km apart in almost a grid. If they're marked as archaeological site then you will have very hard time building anything on them, anytime you want to buy or sell a building parcel(or a building with the parcel, or a flat) the seller has to include an attachment showing the location of archaeological sites in the area. Farmland iirc is excluded, but then again nobody's going out of his way to plough something like that(with how uneven the ground is).
Theoretically someone could do illegal archaeology there but it's dubious because there simply isn't much to find there. The classic pottery shards and charcoal kind of findings, not really any treasure, not even human remains, and it's generally known(to anyone even remotely interested in them for any reason) so nobody does it. At the same time we have a backlog of findings from them sitting in big boxes from the excavations in the 1960's that weren't properly combed through so it's not like archaeologists are enthusiastic about doing excavations there either. A good enough sample of what can be found there was already found.
Very interesting. That definitely makes sense.
there are archeological sites in Poland where you have houses/forts built on top of one another over literally thousands of years. There are even old forts/circular enclosures dating back to 5500BC oh and check out Gora Zyndrama, the earliest stone fort on the site was built around 1700BC and the latest one was built already in the Middle Ages. Anyway in many parts of Poland "Swedish walls/forts" are actually what people used to call early medieval "grody" i.e. forts with walls made of earth and timber.
Very interesting. I will definitely have to look into Góra zyndrama that sounds interesting. Thanks for watching I hope you enjoyed the video.
As someone already mentioned polish archeology has a lot of red tape, for that reason most of them aim for conducting excavations abroad. Even if you google the phrase "polish archeologists" you'd most likely get articles about foreign excavations instead of domestic ones. Another reason is that Poland always has been a melting pot of cultures, since most archeologists specialise in one specific field we have big issues with proper coordination in conducting excavations. Lastly there is a labour shortage, domestic polish archeologists have their hands full with excavating unmarked graves which are extremely numerous through the country, either from ww1, ww2 or many other. I swear to god, in my home town each time there are some road works they always have to send in a team of archaeologists because they found some old skeletons.
Wow that's pretty crazy. Unfortunate consequence of conflict for sure.
This is not any Swedish rampart. This is an old Slavic hillfort which is probably around 10 centuries old, the local population - and this is a common phenomenon in northern Poland - old hillfort were called Swedish ramparts, the same thing happened near Lidzbark, where I come from, the old hillfort was also called a Swedish rampart.
I'm just going by what was written in the archeological papers I found online concerning the second fort which called it a Swedish trench fort and dated it to the 7-9th centuries.
@@anamericaninpoland In the seventh century Sweden did not exist yet. There were only Vikings and Varangians... and yes, Varangians conquered a Slavic country in the tenth century, but not Poland, but present-day Russia and Ukraine. In Poland we had the Swedish conquest of the country in the seventeenth century, and many earth fortifications, earth ramparts, were associated by the local population with the Swedish Deluge, and what was unknown and had the shape of an earth rampart was called in this way.
@maciejkwiatkowski7558 very interesting thanks for the clarification. I wish I could find a polish history course in English. I'm learning a lot while researching my local area but still so much more to learn.
@@anamericaninpoland You're welcome! Please tell me where the hillfort shown in the video is located.
@maciejkwiatkowski7558 maps.app.goo.gl/QcjJtkuZT92Ez9BS9
In high school we went to archaeological camps, supervised by an educator and a professional archaeologist. Our work was mainly 'black work', painstakingly removing the upper layers of the site and when something was found we were chased away and the archaeologist stepped in. Kids get bored quickly and the daily work in the excavation was a challenge for us, but 40 years have passed and I still remember it with pleasure. I must also add that for archaeologists, leaving a site such as this old fort alone is a form of protection and such sites are often left for future generations of archaeologists with their newer, more effective methods of research.
What an awesome experience for a student!!
Great video. One doesn't have to go far. In the forest on the east side of Radość outside Warszawa there are lots of remnants, e.g. trenches showing the opposing lines from the 1920 Polish-Russian War. No signs.
Thanks for watching!! It amazes me every day just how much history we all walk past every day that isn't noticed. In Luboń I drove past a WW2 pill box for almost a year before I noticed it.
That's not a problem- that's an issue
"Poland has an issue" doesn't sound as good as a title 😂
Most archeo sites are left untouched for future generations. Excavations usually destroy the site, so if there are no research to be made or construction in that place ( that would destroy the place, hence warenting "emergency" excavations) , polish archeologists try not to dig. They first look through docs and findings from past digs, then if they have no other choice, they go to site. They try not to destroy the entire site, but only a fragment. For archeologist place, layers where artifact was found give context. Context is a king. That's why archeologists get butthurt whenever people with metal detectors go to site and dig up stuff. All context is lost. Site gets damaged or destroyed. So when you learn about archeo sit, leave it be. For our children.
Well said!!
but then they be wait and wait and wait, and site be forgotten again and someone built construction here and retrevial of burial goods impossible.
totally valid point of view, on the other side if we dig all remains of old past poland would be nothing but hydepark ;) however i get your point there are many underestimated / unrevealed to public places of remarkable history. Blame Gov and lack of funding.
also to put some light on untold topic - the church is doing a lot to prevent any pre-christian signs of civilisation to be revealed. that is also a problem. thanks for putting up this topic it is really important and weird indeed.
Unfortunately it's the same everywhere. I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for taking the time to comment
My next video I'm working on is concerning Lech myth Vs history. It's been interesting researching hopefully you'll enjoy it
There are so many of these remains in the form of settlements from the times before the establishment of the Polish state that many of them have not even been discovered yet. Thanks to satellite images and precise measurements of altitude using lidar, we discover several new places every year. Some are even several thousand years old and there is still room for spectacular discoveries, such as Zyndram mountain, where the oldest stone walls in this part of Europe from 3.5 thousand years ago were discovered. I remember that as a child, together with my father, we discovered one unidentified stronghold in Masuria on a peninsula of a lake that was not in archaeological documents on maps. So Poland is a country where everyone can still feel like an explorer ;)
Exactly!! It was an awesome experience getting to explore a place that's over 1000 years old and think of the people who were here. It's like being Indiana Jones even if in only a small way.
Star Forts _ discovered with aerial imaging. Many in Poland in very decomposed conditions.
Gdansk has a Star Fort, and surprise, a ring of smaller Star Forts around it.
Świetny odcinek i świetnie to wypunktowałeś. Przykład takiego zapomnianego neolitycznego (i przełomowego) znaleziska archeologicznego w Polsce znajduje się w Petrowicach Wielkich koło Raciborza na śląsku, niedaleko mojego miasta. Nie wiem czy Wikipedia podaje zweryfikowane dane, ale "Rondel" jak nazwano to miejsce, było grodem/osadą zbudowaną pomiędzy 5200-1900r przed naszą erą.... No i oprócz kilku informacji w gazetach oraz kilku prac badawczych nie wydarzyło się nic - ku mojemu zdumieniu kiedy się tam wybrałem okazało się że to po prostu uprawne pole, porośnięte kapustą...wrzucam link z Wikipedii gdybyś chciał może poczytać. Pozdrawiam i dziękuję za ten odcinek. pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondel_(budowla)
dziękuję bardzo cieszę się, że spodobał Ci się ten film. nie mogę się doczekać przeczytania artykułu, który zamieściłeś. naprawdę niesamowite, ile historii kryje się pod naszymi stopami, a może pod kapustą 😄
Haha, dokładnie🙂@@anamericaninpoland
Link do durnopedii? Przecież tego nie pisza specjaliści z danej dziedziny.
Archeological excavations costs, so often the only chance to research are resque operations when f.ex. the big road has to be build on a site. That's Polish reality...
Very true. It's a difficult balance.
History of most Castle ruins in Poland:
build during the reign of Casmir the Great (1333-1370), slowly declined overtime or ruined during Swedish Deluge (1655-1660), never rebuilt, left as ruin... or worse: deconstructed and material used for building other building (happened mostly during partition period) .There're few places where only an artificial hill next to river is a sign that this was the place where local castle was build... no bricks, stones or other foundation can be found there, only signs with information, this is where Castle used to be... sometime with history of the castle itself (when it was build, who was the owner, etc. up to it's destruction)
Very interesting!!
To see Polish History = go to Swedish Cathedrals and Museums.
Dude... from Poles point of view - I live in a place, not city but place in that city that were occupied, that someone lived for at least 1000 years before. I know that few hundreds of meters from me are buried remains of settelment fom that time period or older. My city's administrations know that for at least 80 years, just now they want to unburied it. Also in that area is renovated defence tower from XII century that you can visit... and there are many many places like this around. Every where you step there is at least 600-1200 years of histroy below your feet and that is similar for most of the Europe if not older. We just not have the funds to uncover and maintain everything.
No that's very true. It's just very different from the USA there is almost no comparison and for an American it's interesting
As a kid i took part in archeological excavation of 4000ish b.c. burial site in Kujawsko-Pomorskie voivodship. The archeologists arrived in something like fiat seicento or other bullshit small car and after the whole excavation they had no means of taking those urns with them, so they left it in our garage for the time being. I had my bicycle in that garage, and was very scared of ghosts, especially those ancient kind ones. I thought they gonna idk shut the doors behind me or other scary things, so in order to assert my dominance over them i took a skull fragment from the box and licked it. I think the ghost were as confused of what i did there as I am, as an adult person, now.
That is definitely quite the unique experience 😉 as a kid I was pretty scared of ghosts myself so I can empathise with you 😁
吾們困惑也。
Thank you Sir. When in Gdańsk you should visit KL Stuthoff. Very close to Gdańsk
I will definitely keep that in mind thanks for the recommendation!! 🙂
Check out the one near the lake "Żarnowieckie". There is what remained from an ancient slavic town
That's very cool. I'll check into it
One may wonder, why so many of Poland's once-glorious castles (that you mentioned) are in ruins? In most cases they were destroyed during the "Swedish Deluge", as the Swedish invasion of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1655-1657 is called by Poles. Its extreme brutality, massive plunder, looting and destruction are probably unmatched in Europe from that time until World War 2. Today, many of the booty from Poland can be admired in Sweden's museums.
Very interesting 🤔 I'm definitely going to have to research this period of Polish history.
you are right that Poland should remember the past and start learning about the Lechite Empire
I'm not familiar with that part of Polish history myself. I know Lech was the brother who founded Poland but beyond that I have no knowledge. I still have a lot to learn
@@anamericaninpoland they don't teach it in schools because they are supposedly myths and fairy tales, something like mythical Greece and Egypt, but there are still countries that call Poland by its original name, which is Lechistan, there are a lot of records but you have to look for them, and in general, Poland has always been in the eyes west and others, the worse one, so they couldn't let it turn out that we had a history older than the Sumerians.
@MarJin727 that's interesting. In Ireland it's ancient history which people consider fairy tales is taught in school as it's considered a cultural foundation.
@@anamericaninpoland Poland should follow Ireland's example in this matter, the Lechite story is as crazy as the Lord of the Rings, there are some stone tablets with an image of a Lechite soldier riding a raptor, which would mean that dinosaurs lived in the same period as advanced man, but that's not all , now I'm going to make your brain explode, a few years ago, archaeologists found Triceratops bones somewhere in the world and started examining its bones with new carbon technology and they estimated that this dinosaur walked the earth about 25,000 years ago, which would mean that these stone tablets told the truth, and not only myths, because, as they say, there is a grain of truth hidden in every fairy tale.
@MarJin727 that's awesome. It's always amazing how much history and mythology can and do overlap. We live in some amazing times for sure.
We have many hills visible from the air revealing structures of old strongholds.
One of the other people commenting mentioned that people are also using satellites and that has helped locate a large number of historical sites. I think it's great!! I hope you enjoyed the video
You are right, we got lots of history. Still, not really comparable to Italy or Greece...
Unfortunately Poland like many northern European countries spent centuries longer building in wood. The result is far less remaining structures that's where the southern countries have the advantage for sure.
or to 中国 nor 日本
Yeah, we are in the geographical middle of europe... it means we are between Russia and Germany which after Roman empire collapse means we are not having holidays...
Thanks for commenting
That's interesting point of view. Thank you for sharing your perspective. 🤝
Glad you enjoyed it thanks for watching!!
Hello. Good content. Greetings from central Poland.
Hello and Thank you very much!! I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😁
hey american guy, it's Europe here, we have ancient stuff everywhere. So we can't afford to "museumize" everything 🤷
That's true and the entire point of the video and I even made a similar statement in the video.
Na tablicy pisze " Grodzisko Pierścieniowate " a nie Szwedzkie . Słowo Szwedzkie wzięło się od Pruskich archeologów którzy w 19-tym wieku badali takie obiekty po to, żeby udowodnić germańskie pochodzenie. Nazywali te miejsca " Szwedzkimi Górami " tłumacząc miejscowym Polakom że w czasie " Szwedzkiego Potopu " Szwedzi sypali te górki pod armaty żeby mogły dalej strzelać . Siła kłamstwa jest niesamowita i wieczna . Gadanie o Szwedzkich Górach jest powszechne . Tako rzecze Zaratustra. Serdecznie pozdrawiam.
Actually your explanation is incorrect as well. This style of construction was common in Sweden and the name just became common use. It's no different than in English we say French fries it doesn't mean they are made only in France.
A jak rzecze Mani?
Such structure from the XVII century is not interesting but from the VI century, it is interesting 🙂
I visited such a place in southern Poland last year. Several kilometres from this place there is another place where stone with a wheeled cart draw (the oldest in the world) was found. That is something interesting.
We have quite a lot of such places and thousands of people whose hobby is to discover them.
That's very cool. It's really impressive to live in a place with so much history
Thank you!
Thank you for watching 😁😁
Przepiekny angielski. Swietnie sie Ciebie slucha.
Dziękuję bardzo 😊
Hey Man! It's a great video in overall, because I had no idea about the burgwall in Kaciałkowa Górka. But you've made a major factual error in stating it's a "Swedish ringfort from VII-IX c.". There was no Sweden in these times! There were Nordic tribes inhabiting Scandinavian peninsula, described by Tacitus and Jordanes as Suiones, Suetidi and Suehans. In VII c. these are in the midst of the Vendel Period. In VIII c. the Viking era starts. Proper Swedish history starts more or less from the X c. Eric the Victorious, but wars between Swedish (Uppland) and Geatic (Goetaland) tribes continued well into XI and even XIII c. This is all within the southern Scandinavia, so no way any proper Swedish ringforts from this period were built in the Greater Poland, just under the nose of Piast dynasty (in the middle of the Polish foundational region, between Poznań and Gniezno). These could be earlier Gothic forts from I c. Wielbark culture or late Celtic Przeworsk culture, but according to the official INet page it was settled between VI and VII c. and contains pottery from the Iron Age Lusatian culture, which is at least 1000 years older! It's only colloquially called a "Swedish trench". You can find a very scant info about it on the "Kasztelania Ostrowska" pages: "Baza Danych o Regionie Kasztelanii Ostrowskiej", "grodzisko średniowieczne w Kociałkowej Górce".
Correct. The colloquial name is a Swedish trench fort or Swedish ring fort. Neither of which names have anything to do with Swedes in Poland but just delineates the type of fortification. I should have clarified that during the video but for me it's just a name kind of like french fries even though they're not French.
At LSU they put up a fence over a mound of dirt.
That's a bit wrong the other way imo.
For sure. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment
SYMPATYCZNY CZŁOWIEKU-CHCESZ WIECEJ HISTORII?/ TO ZOBACZ ..BITWA NAD TOLLENSEE-DOŁĘŻA...POWIEM CI JEDNO-MAM DNA TAKIE JAK CI WOJOWIE ..NASI...KTÓRZY WALCZYLI Z DZICZA Z ZACHODU W TEJ BITWIE....TO JEST HISTORIA POLSKI...
Zdecydowanie poszukam tego filmu. Uwielbiam historię i naprawdę lubię uczyć się o polskiej historii.
@@anamericaninpoland CÓZ MOGE DODAC JEDNO -SA NAUKOWCY KTÓRZY UWAZAJA JEZYK POLSKI ZA JEDEN Z PIECIU JEZYKÓW KULTUROWYCH SWIATA..I MAJA PODSTAWY DO TEGO-A HISTORIA POLSKI-NAZYWANO NAS WENDAMI-JAK STAROZYTNI HINDUSI NAZYWALI NAS DZIECMI BOGÓW..-WINDHU..WENDA...JAKO JEDEN Z PLEMIN KTÓRE TWORZYŁY NAJWYZSZA KULTURE..BYWAŁEM NA WYKŁADACH HISTORYKÓW Z INDII I PERSJI..
least excited-about-won-battle 波兰人:
@@埊 baw sie dalej..bo to nie historia
@ to cemu powediales ze 'to jest historia polski'??
Nice insight. Is there any chance you share pin with position of that Grod in Google Maps? I would like to visit it someday soon. Maybe during one of my motorbike trips... 🏍️
Yes, absolutely
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i for example live in close to royal castle ruins that was and is part of "szlak orlich gniazd" and this one is the most northern one and comes from the aaround 14th century was build due to Casimir the Great orders and i live like 3 km from it also around me in aprox 250 meters - 1km +/- in every direction there is a WW2 bunker from small hole in the ground to anti aircraft bunker or tank hideout i bellive. And im sure there is more historical sites around me that i dont even know about or are not lets say asigned
That's awesome!! What an amazing place to grow up!!
so polands problem is that we have to much lore to tell and show but dont have enoth funds to show evrything
as a polish person that both very funny and intresting observacion lol
It's definitely a double edged sword but not one that is meant to offend because I don't think any country could possibly afford preserving so much history.
Come over to Italy 😂 it happens all the time that roman remains are being discovered and... covered again😅
Very different from the USA for sure. I love it
Thank You for Your job sir. I was born in Poland:)
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed the video!!
There is an institution in Poland that deals with monuments. It is called the Provincial Conservator of Monuments. Unfortunately, it's the post-communist clique that doesn't care. People with metal detectors who would like to help uncover the history are facing criminal charges. Construction investments that require archaeological supervision do not have it because it is enough to pay a bribe
Unfortunately corruption can be everywhere
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I'm glad you enjoyed!!
that's pretty much same for nearly all countries across the globe. Poland is actually on the less significant and less rich side of things. US is the exception here
Very true. Although I disagree that Poland is less significant as it has been at the centre of European conflict for the last 1000 years, I agree that triage is necessary when considering where to invest in archaeology.
@@anamericaninpoland well you got mediterranean countries just across the block and compared to them or middle east that is also nearby we look pale in comparison :)
Historia w pewnym sensie kulą u nogi. Powinna spajać Polaków, a ich dzieli. Wielu nie pozbyło się głębokiej indoktrynacji rosyjskiej w okresie PRL, i przekazało ją na swoje potomstwo.
wszędzie jest tak samo. historia jest trudna i ludzie chcą widzieć swoją własną, wyidealizowaną wersję jej, niestety
Hi, just stumbled across your channel. Good video, very interesting. Do you speak, or are you, learning Polish?
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed the video!! I'm learning polish but it's a slow process. I understand maybe 50-60% of spoken conversation now but I really struggle forming my own sentences but I try my best.
@@anamericaninpoland Thats really good. Yeah Iam learning but not as far as you. Have you heard of Steve Kaufmann and stephen krashen? They talk about language learning and are really interesting. I have a play list with videos that might be interesting. It should be a public list.
@yogabija no I haven't but I'll check them out. Always looking for new resources Polish is so difficult and any extra help is always appreciated.
Very nice, enjoy your life there !
Thanks much!!
A Swedish ring fort?
I don't know if Sweden even existed as a country in the 7th century. Maybe your map was wrong.
It's just a name not that it was made by Sweden.
It was Viking culture then. Vikings were common in northern Poland in those times. Only later they divide into separate kingdoms of Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
@Pawel_Mrozek
But I imagine there is no way to distinguish it as "Swedish". So why name it that?
@nicksimmons1305 You asking me? No idea
I'm not sure but the archeological papers that read written by Polish archeologists specifically called it a Swedish trench fort. I will post a link to the paper in the pinned comment
I like to see my country from your perspective, it broadens my horizons.
Thank you very much. I'm glad you appreciate my perspective 😁😁
"Poland has a problem"
Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
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Ci są u władzy, nie chcą aby historia Polski sprzed Chrztu w 966 r. Była znana. W szkołach się jej nie uczymy. Nie chcą żebyśmy wiedzieli, ze jesteśmy starą cywilizacją, że Lechia to było potężne imeprium. Teraz mówi się o tym czasie, że to tylko legendy. Ale Twoje odkrycie świadczy o tym że tak nie jest! Dzięki!
Myślę, że mój następny film będzie dotyczył Lecha. Teraz robię research.
Watch the documentary "MEGALITY Historia sprzed 5500 lat" about "pucharki lejkowate" tribe
@@anamericaninpolandgreat lechia is just a hoax. It's like believing in flat earth 😂 ofc the Slavic culture existed, but it wasn't an empire which vanished due to some shadys figures plots and there's no reason to believe in it. Of course Slavic history is fascinating and pre-Polish times on this land are interesting as hell, so I highly recommend to know more about this if you want 😂 but keep in mind that the lechia is just a conspiracy like sasquatch or aryan empire 😂
Lechia to mit turbosłowian. Natomiast dynastia Lechów to fakt. Mówi o tym chociażby niemiecka książka dotycząca dynastii polskich, wydana w pierwszej połowie XIX wieku. Dynastia ta istniała w latach 550 - 950. Dodatkowo wzmianki o Lechach istnieją w annałach tureckich, jak i za wschodnią granicą. Ale to dynastia a nie imperium. Polecam się zaznajomić z Przylądkiem Arkona - Kap Arkona i ataku na nią, przeprowadzonego przez króla Danii 15 czerwca 1168 roku. Mówimy o północnych terenach dzisiejszych Niemiec, jako że plemiona germańskie nie miały wtedy dostępu do morza. Tereny owe były zamieszkane przez Ranów, czyli Słowian Połabskich.
@hadeseye2297 turboslowianie? Pierwsze slyszę. To jakaś nowa rasa?
Dude, you just made such a good clickbait... and it is a "problem" in Poland. Try to go with your trusty metal detector and search something... Not without special (and I mean SPECIAL) permission with full topo documentation of your doings. Its pain in the arse you know. Everything in the ground belong to the state.
For sure. I've watched some videos of people doing the metal detecting it's really impressive and far more involved than I could have imagined. Not a hobby for me but I'm really impressed by the work and passion of the people who do it.
By przy okazji zniszczyć bezpowrotnie kawał historii dla jakiegoś kawałka skorodowanego metalu, czy paru skorup, które dla amatora nie mają wartości ale mogą być bezcenne dla naukowca?
@ Masz rację. Miejsca historyczne objęte ochroną prawną mają znaczenie. A pozostały teren? Archeolodzy mają tysiące, jeśli nie dziesiątki tysięcy miejsc których nigdy nie odwiedzą bo nie mają na to ludzi i środków. Pod tym względem będe uparty i stwierdzę jedynie że polskie prawo przekombinowało ten aspekt grubo nad czerwoną linię...
@@bratb2094 to powszechne, populistyczne narzekanie, a wszyscy wiemy, że detektorysci marząc o skarbach rozkopią wszystko, nawet nieoznaczone groby, zresztą u ruskich to i groby rozkopują
Where is your place, ? Beautiful Stones.
It is in wagowo wielkopolskie 😁
@anamericaninpoland o thanks.
Czekam na nowe odcinki.
Postaram się spełnić Twoje życzenie😁😁
We have a 13th century fort within a mile of my cabin. It’s marked on Google maps but no signs. It is slowly being eroded by off road motorcyclists.
Also a couple of mikes away is a WWII German Army camp. Again no details and I can’t find anything about it online.
@normantighe5420 unfortunately that seems that's really common. I will say there are a lot of entrepreneurs here in Poland that have done a lot to save the baroque architecture but it seems like there isn't an equal appreciation for all periods of Polish historical sites.
You see, as a Pole its hard to learn our own history, our country is soo old and have so much documented and not documented history.
You just cant learn everything, recently I found out that my familly house is on burrial mound from 1300s....
That's amazing!! I'm currently researching the crossover between the myth and actual history of Lech. It's amazing how much archeological evidence is coming up supporting parts of the myth pushing the history of an organized Poland further and further back into history. It's pretty amazing to see how complex the history of Poland really is. And yes it is impossible to know it all but it's fun to learn as much as we can.
You should seek contact with the local association of prospectors using metal detectors, they know the places well and like to share some stories.
That would definitely be interesting 🤔 I should look into it.
@@anamericaninpoland The associations are well aware of the law on prospecting. They have a lot of online tools including databases of interesting sites, maps of archaeological sites. They even have a map made with Lidar technology, where you can see “that something was dug on a large scale.” I'm talking about traces of buildings, excavations, etc.
@raf.b wow that's really cool. Are they regional clubs or is it a national organisation?
@@anamericaninpoland alot of regional ones i watch this guy www.youtube.com/@UndergroundPassion and they are organised and also know many others
@ there are alot of regional ones, i watch this guy on YT @UndergroundPassion
if you are around the Gdańsk/Gdynia we can go out together and I will show u the hill fords from medieval
That's awesome thanks for the invite!!
You are a very, very good.
Thank you so much 😀
It's just because our government is more interested in to handing out money to banks and milioners instead in to valuable thing's, also Ukrainian history is completely neglected and suppressed in Poland, and this history is massive 90% of people in some parts of historic Poland we're Ukrainian, our anthem was completed and played first time in Przemyśl, 1000 year old Kievian Rus forts just rot in forest without any mention and many many more
Very interesting perspective. I think you might find some major resistance from Poles if someone claims that their history is actually Ukrainian.
@anamericaninpoland they have their own history, or shared one but as it happens border's change wars are fought, and many parts of Poland history just weren't theirs the best example there was Lemko, Boyko, and Dolynians Ukrainian speaking ethnic groups that mainly resided in Podkarpackie most of their history is erased and what's left is abandoned graveyards in forests burned down churches, houses and cottage names in Ukrainian with Polish spelling and in this part of country Poles had zero positive effects and they made zero history whatsoever a side from war's, genocide of this people and they eventual deportation that killed their culture. So what I want to say history of Poland is complicated and the part that foreigners see is cut out narrative of Polish government witch serves nationalist and national cohesion.
Hey :) i live near Nakla. If you want we can make some kind of collaboration. I know a lot when it comes to pomeranian region so i think it would be interesitng to see on yt
Very cool!! That could be fun 😁
7th century Swedish ringfort ? No Sweeden in 7th Century… and no Poland 😮
It's not that it's made by Sweden it's just a name for the style of fort.
@ According to Stephen King 😂 Americans are building whole cities on Native American burial sites and noone cares 🤷♂️
@@anamericaninpolandbut you didn't clarify it in video.
@Frank-xn8bs very true.
The problem in the USA is "native" tribes are basically claiming that every piece of land is sacred ground. By doing so they've minimised the impact of their argument. It's unfortunate because there is some truth to their argument I'm sure that some burial ground has been disturbed the same as in every city in the world but the extremists for their movement have taken away all of their credibility.
How do they know it is Swedish???
It's not. It's just a name for the type of construction.
I'm sorry but, if it comes from the 7th or 9th century it should not be called Swedish. Back in the days there was no Sweden but various Norman tribes conquering adjacent kingdoms.
True but French fries aren't all made in France either. It's just a name for the type of construction not who built it
Some people do not want the evidence of Nazi German atrocities to remain for tourists to see, so pressure has been exerted to clean up such places (and even make them development ready in some cases). A good example is what has been happening in the Owl Mountains (Góry Sowie) where the German Riese complex including the Nazi SS controlled underground city network was located. Please be careful if you want to go and hike there. The 4th generation of Nazi "watchers" are keeping an eye on the place to prevent explorers and treasure hunters from getting to the bottom of it, plus now "someone" (BND + German military or perhaps CIA + US military?) is actually actively doing classified stuff down there.
Wow that's interesting. Almost like a James bond film. Unfortunately history regardless of what country it's from is often uncomfortable. I understand the desire for some people to ignore the past even though I don't condone it.
@@anamericaninpoland It is not about ignoring the past. It is about controlling the narrative. Germany aspires to being the civilization leader of Europe and beyond. It is kind of hard if people have frequent reminders of what you did just 80+ years ago. If you went to Germany you would be surprised to see they have completely removed any traces of some (most?) of the concentration / death camps there. BTW, @RieseOlbrzym is a great channel on the hidden history of WW2 mostly within the current territory of Poland with focus on the Riese complex (unfortunately in Polish only, but you can get an idea of what that area looks like). In some videos Mr. Kwiecień shows places where just a few years ago there were still remains of the Nazi slave labor camps and nothing is there anymore today. Riese is THE place where the R&D for "the Bell" (Die Glocke) "antigravity" device was carried out from 1930s until the end of WW2. Then the team was relocated to places like the Groom Lake facilities in Nevada thanks to Op. 📎
It is not about ignoring the past. It is about controlling the narrative. Germany aspires to being the civilization leader of Europe and beyond. It is kind of hard if people have frequent reminders of what you did just 80+ years ago. If you went to Germany you would be surprised to see they have completely removed any traces of some (most?) of the concentration / death camps there. BTW, @RieseOlbrzym is a great channel on the hidden history of WW2 mostly within the current territory of Poland with focus on the Riese complex (unfortunately in Polish only, but you can get an idea of what that area looks like). In some videos Mr. Kwiecień shows places where just a few years ago there were still remains of the Nazi slave labor camps and nothing is there anymore today. Riese is THE place where the R&D for "the Bell" (Die Glocke) "antigravity" device was carried out from 1930s until the end of WW2. Then the team was relocated to places like the Groom Lake facilities in Nevada thanks to Op. 📎
@@anamericaninpoland Please, contact your local PTTK guide. Those people are really, really buff. They can show you a really mind blowing places quite near place you live :)
Slavic tribes were sold by Mieszko I for riches and power.
Poland go ahead
Thanks for watching!!
Sweden in 7th to 9th century? 😉
It's the name associated with this type of fort construction. It does not mean that it was Sweden that built it. 😉
@anamericaninpoland It may be the case of a local tales as nordic eg viking settlements quite common in northern Poland where mistakedly called swedish...
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But You have it... What about old indian culture...you try do not remember it because you closed they in reserves and killed them. Unfortunately you don't pay attention to this and this is important part of yours history.
Old Indian culture was vastly nomadic and doesn't leave much evidence behind other than maybe an arrow head or such. Also it's spread over a much much larger land mass so what evidence does exist isn't as concentrated. Also your concept that Americans try to hide their shame of Indian culture is ignorant. It is taught and there are museums dedicated to them and their history. I'm very comfortable talking about history the good the bad and the ugly even Poland has committed atrocities so as they say "he who is without sin may cast the first stone"
only one? man, you're outdated :D :D :D
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U have that in US. U just Cant stand that it Was not biuld by "america"
Agree to disagree. But thanks for watching regardless.
You have to consider one factor, Poland was destroyed and burned down to the ground many times just in last 300 years, because of that its really difficult to care and renovate all history sites. Nazi camp in Nekla been next railway station. Few miles from Nekla is small village Giecz with Archaeological reserve, current study is suggesting first capital of Poland probably was there. In 70’s reserve manager was Stefan Sojecki who was 1944 Warsaw Uprising radio presenter, radio called Błyskawica. You right there is a lot history in Poland.
Interesting. I had not heard that about giecz being thought of as a possibility for the first capitol. I'll have to Google that and do some more reading. I'm very familiar with the location, in the summer I go with my wife's family there for church on Sundays.
Our history is our heritage. If now for the history, we would not exist anymore, so if this tires you l have a suggestion for you to go home and take care of your country's own problems
Do not like our history? You do not have to be here
I don't understand why you would make such a comment. My channel does nothing but promote Poland in a positive way. Obviously you have some problems of your own. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the video hopefully the next one will be more to your liking but I doubt it.
Awfull title and typical media trick. To much history? Tftc
Well honestly it gets people to watch and engage with a subject they might not normally. It's the difference between 1k views and 14k
God save Europe from America. Take your loving hands off
Well obviously you haven't watched my videos because if you had I am very critical of America and promote Poland in a very positive light. But obviously you are someone who likes to complain from a position of ignorance. I hope you have a great rest of your day and can find other content that you will appreciate more than mine.
Problem chyba z tobą, wracać do domu. Zrób filmy o problemach w USA moze
Thanks for helping the algorithm with your comment even if you didn't enjoy the video.
@anamericaninpoland no problem, l will go on with a few more 👍 thanks for reading and responding 😃
@yagababa6663 thanks much hope you enjoy!!
In Poland, archeological history is guarded by authorities because the country shall have no history. It is not just a matter of money or whether it is Swedish or not. As long as we have non-polish elites, the problem will prevail.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Do you mean control from the EU?
@@anamericaninpoland Nope, this is older. Poland (and Slavic lands as such) are bomb loaded with mind-boggling stuff for archeology - graves, settlements, stellar installations, industries, megalithics, you name it. Many of them are on the surface, just like the one found in this video, but doing cartography of those alone can get you in trouble (visits from the policy, strange charges, etc.). See, the Christian churches have not only played a huge role in destroying what was before them, but also to guard against any re-discovery and to ridicule any history before them. The world-view of Slavic (or any barbaric) inferiority is cultivated. Don't take me wrong, I am not against Christianity as such, but technically it was introduced as a means of control by the powers of the Roman Empire and its attitudes are being pro-longed by any pro-western elite.
@@alodwich I understand yeah I think it's the same everywhere we call it "gate keeping" and archeology/institutional history is full of it.
We have a very big problem his name is TUSK😂😂😂
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I would say he is even bigger problem :D
we have even bigger - education
Problem? You have much, much to learn!
I think I explained the problem pretty well. What is it that I need to learn?
@anamericaninpoland It's not a bug, it's a fearture 😉
Meh. It is Swedish, as you said. Not our problem 😂
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