Did Daniel Jones get a fair shake with the Giants? | NFL | SPEAK
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- The New York Giants are reportedly “absolutely done” with QB Daniel Jones. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, James Jones, and LeSean McCoy discuss if the Giants gave Jones a fair shake.
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He looks like Eli Manning, stands like Eli, has a bewildered look on his face. They were trying to recreate that magic.
Facts😂
They need to recreate a front office
Yep and played for Eli's coach, but that's where the comparisons start and end.
He is a better athlete than Eli manning.....just saying.
💯 they're fkn absolute idiots for that
LeSean just went keep it 💯 times 2 😂
He’s the reason I tune in
Facts !
Did he get a fair shake? Ask a serious question. If anything Daniel Jones and those that stood by him should be locked up for stealing money from the New York Giants. Fair shake. Yes if you are him. He got way more than he ever deserved
It's hilarious seeing the people who say they would magically play better somewhere else, also say they want them to stay at the same organization they're failing with and letting them go is a mistake 😂
But first of all, he’s earned his right to play bc he handled his business when we didn’t even know who Daniel Jones was
So yours saying he got a fair shake?
😂😂😂
@@travismurray7403Fair for him. Disaster for the New York Giants franchise.
First, the media pumps him up because he won his first couple of game and nicknamed him "Danny Dimes". Then he abruptly turned into Freddie Food stamps.. He was career back up when the Giants drafted him.
Freddie Food Stamps 😂😂😂
Freddie food stamps😂
Nobody pumped up Daniel lol
@@cedrickcarsonbruhhh I'm hollering 😂😂😂😂 bruh WHO??!!!🤣
He’s still a top 32 QB, he won a playoff game with a bad roster. He could be a bridge QB like Tannehill
They drafted a quarterback with a 6th round grade in the 1st round😭Giants front office are idiots
They thought he was the next Eli and he is friends with the Manning family
*Racist idiots* 😂
@@TH-cam_Street_Drifter that could've come to pass where he was that good and still could've got him in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th rounds.
They listen to the folks on ESPN
Shady speaking facts
Daniel Jones was never the guy!
Shady has me on the floor.
Me too. "He should never be the chance to have the ability to start in the NFL." Get this guy off tv. Smh
@@nicholasbrathwaite1582he didn't lie though 😂😂😂
Going to Duke to get players. If it's a spelling bee or trying to invent something or starting your own app😂😂😂
@@orvillemcpherson6417😂😂😂
Or you could just stop watching him 🙄
It’s so hilarious seeing Acho do every thing he can to give jones grace and understanding but completely bashes Justin Herbert any chance he gets. The hypocrisy be crazy
It's like he just wants to play contrarian, going against the grain just for the sake of being different
You comparing herbets oline and weapons to Daniel jones😅? Plus to who much is given much is required. Daniel Jones hasnt ever been considered jesus who can throw a spiral😅
yea ive said this, before also i think he does it for the show purposes, nobody wants to really see 4 analysts all saying the exact same talking points and agreeing with each other, it makes the show stale, alot of other shows do the same thing too@@TheForbiddenOne55
They say anything, just hard seeing washed up players that were never much themselves bash others much less a woman that’s never played the game be so critical of an organization. Her brother played football, how does that make her an expert analyst. This whole cast is trash.
Herbert what about how hard he hates on Lamar
Not the spelling bee 😂
I know JOY ain't talking..the dolphins haven't won their division since 2008 and haven't won a playoff game in more than a decade..
True, but I think they've been somewhat competitive in the division, especially from the late 2010s. And this is from a Patriots fan
The Dolphins were one of the worst teams in the NFL, yet they've been highly competitive since those days.
The Giants and Daniel Jones are disgustingly bad.
They never surrounded him with real help. Sterling Shepard being your best receiver is crazy
Well now he's over paid, why not go get some wr to help him?
Why it makes sense to move on from Daniel Jones. For what it's worth, I believe the injury history is hard to ignore. Also, he always played behind a bad offense and an even worse offensive line, so I'm not so sure a better QB would have played much better than DJ for the same Giants offense and behind the same offensive line. Conclusion: he never really go a fair shake. In the end it's time to move on from him, probably after the 2024 season. I wish him the best as a future backup QB in the league. I just hope he stays healthy.
A better QB definitely adds more than 6 wins. DJ is not good. Good guy. But not an elite football talent. Can run fast, but not an NFL runner. Has prototypical size, not an elite arm. This is before we talk about his play processing and college pedigree.
I agree. He's a player you can win with but not because of; in other words, he needs a complete team around him to shine. Worse QB's than DJ have won championships, but they always had a really good supporting cast (Trent Dilfer comes to mind). Anyway, let's hope the GM gets the rebuild right this time. We really need him to make it work, especially now that Saquon just signed a big money deal with the Eagles.@@GhostZombieLife
I personally don't think he got a fair shake, but I also feel the Giants did it to themselves as well by overpaying him when they could have just let him go. The franchise has been in true dysfunction for over a decade, and aside from Barkley, they really had no real serious weapons on offense.
Nah Wandale Robinson and Hyatt are dogs they just need a number 1 receiver
@@TH-cam_Street_DrifterHyatt is not a dog 😂 he dropped too many balls for my liking and didn’t make any huge plays with his legs.
he had a fair shake when he signed that contract extension
I know he did
@@DaNumba1Rapper Perhaps, but I also think they did feck all to improve the offense which is part of the problem. Not saying he wasn't part of the problem, because he was, but when your offense stinks, it aint always the QB... and I'm not even a Giants fan lol...
Shadie acts like Saquon is so dominat. Dude is always hurt. 😂
Joy whos your team dolphins?? When the last time they got the chip again?? At least giants have two in my lifetime
Shady be outta pocket sometimes lol
Sometimes?
Like he said, you don't go to Duke to get football players, especially in the first round.
@@jamesbrantley8105stop playing do your history on hbcu's
Where was the lie tho?
Your soft. Daniel jones sucks inclusion era got people sounding like you.
Sun said a spelling bee!!! 😭😭😭😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Buddy a fool 😂
Mixed Bag. The Giants did try to give him weapons and a big contact. They even cleaned house and hired Daboll for Jones. The problem is Jones wasn't going to improve in a timely enough manner. It's certainly not DJs fault the Giants looked terrible this year. The Oline and defense literally collapsed
Give player one coach: "Maybe coaching wasn't great"
Try to give player multiple coaches to fix it: "OMG how could anyone have succeeded?!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭
People need to just realize sometimes a QB just isn't that great on their own and going to another organization isn't going to magically fix it in most cases
@@legitdragon6202Because Pat Shumur and Joe Judge are these amazing coaches right? Brian Daboll took that same team with the same roster and got them to the playoffs when they were 4-13 the year prior.
And there were rumors circulating that Jones wanted to retire and wasn't liking football anymore the year before Daboll came
@@lexsteele2218jones is average, relax
@@lexsteele2218 let's face it the playoffs was a joke, they had a weak schedule and if that's Daniel Jones' peak... it's not even great. It clearly didn't translate to past season in any event, when you'd think he'd get better, right. In his 'peak' year he didn't even do what Russell Wilson did this year performance wise. If you want to argue he can be a QB that at his best is mid, fine whatever - he's never demonstrated to be a great QB by any stretch at any point.
@@doffydonquixteIt's obvious you are illiterate and didn't read his comment
5:15 Russ only threw for 3k yards last year why they let James cap like that😂
NYG were riding that high from that Vikings win
Honestly hate to say it Mahomie is the only QB the deserves 40 million+. If im a gm you getting 20 million a year 5 million per playoff win and 10 million if you win me a Superbowl until then 15-20 million a year for all QBs
😂😂😂I agree
Right?!!!!!!
That's not what the market says unfortunately. I think there are several QBs that deserve $40 million plus. Now for the $50 million plus? Nope. I really only put Mahomes there because of his Superbowl wins but that's it. The Giants made a mistake drafting him and doubled down when they gave him that contract extension. Forget about the Superbowl. Can he even win the division? Seriously, does anyone think he can win the NFC East? No one does. If you do not think your QB is capable of winning the division then management and ownership need to dump him and move on. As for them talking about Kenny Pickett. I believe Kenny is definitely a better QB than Daniel and Kenny is still at best a good backup QB.
@@MrJpaynebb Raider is correct and u r correct, and the market is correcting itself. look at all the safties getting cut... u got to be a fkn ass*&^ to pay Dak 60M (as the hype is reporting) , i'd rather spend 60M on the D Line and 60M accross offensive line and have AoC at QB! they paid Daniel Jones and cut Sequone ..again u got to be a fkn ass&^%~ just like that mess at Denver! :))
Why acho got excuses for Daniel jones talking about coaches and 💩 but drag Justin Fields
Daniel Jones got drafted 6th overall in 2019. He's had 1 decent season in 5 years. He then got overpaid and played terrible before getting injured. So YES he got more than a fair shake.
he got sacked 33 times in 5 games whos playing well our backup got injured when he got injured behind that oline cmon now
Shady is absolutely right. Why did the giants do that.😂 (first 2 minutes)
Derek Carr has entered the chat.
How many coaches and GM's did he go through?
DJ ain’t that guy but the giants O-Line has been college level and not a good college team either since those Super Bowl teams. No offense will reach their potential till that is addressed
That's already been disproven when guys like Burrow & Stafford take their teams to the playoffs with bad OLs and great stats. Maybe better coaches. The point is, Daniel Jones isn't those guys. WE WANT THOSE GUYS
so did any of them get sacked 84 times?@@GhostZombieLife
Joe burrow still had talented receivers, Daniel jones never had that
@@evan-hj3su sure they didn't. They will actually THROW the ball and let their receivers make the play or not, but taking 84 sacks when you control the plays, audibles, hot reads??? Idc who was in charge, I'm not turning my body into scramble for bad coaches and players. It's either an early throw away or run. WTH is Daniel Jones doing?? He's an overdrafted QB with no accolades OUT OF DUKE!!!! Why is everyone trying to save this guy???
@@T2Pgaming it's been proven that when he has an open wr he doesn't pull the trigger because he's trying to find an open WR instead of throwing a ball with anticipation. Once the bootleg runs are under control with a spy, it's over. The guy can't manage a high volume of passing plays in a row with minimal blocking without making a mistake. You can blame the skill players from not being explosive enough but that's not what's keeping Jones from making smart placement throws off smart reads.
Lololol....he needs to thank sequan everyday for that payday and a job over the past few years
U don't watch giants games
James has a good point about Russell Wilson but his numbers were off.
Wilson had 26TD(8INT), and 3070 yards, which is less than 3200.
But the point remains, he got cut and his numbers were solid.
Omg yes, not every player is an entirely organizational failure that can be redeemed into a top QB on a different team like people want to do these days with every 1st round QB. Lots of QBs end up not working out, at some point there's enough years/coaches to see they're just not good.
When they have one coach - "Well maybe the coaching wasn't that good"
When they have multiple coaches "Well how could you expect anyone to succeed with that?!"
Calm down, a lot of the QB's just end up not being good.
They could have gotten a quarterback in FA that year and wait they drafted him because of his Manning connection and the trainer that worked with them
what they aren’t understanding is that the front office who took jones at 6 is not the same front we have today. Every giants fan knows that jones was the owners pick bc he reminded him of Eli. Literally no one wanted jones BUT Mara. And joe schoen and Daboll are essentially stuck with him.
As far as talent wise Daniel has never had a fair shake only thing he had was a good running back. He done had like 4 HC never had a good oline never had good WR and he still has more playoff wins then Herbert
Give herbert brian daboll and that wouldn’t be true
I have heard a few people say what seems to be evident from observing Jones he is not a starting quarterback without injuries, with a good o line,weapons etc his skill set isn't good enough they should've never drafted him
Daniel Jones is an ok at best QB. What made it worse for him is that the Giants attempted to give Jones weapons through the draft over his tenure…however they missed on every offensive piece they wanted to have…every…single…time. Giants drafted good defensive pieces but through trade or through draft..every piece people thought were promising and could give Jones help..just flopped 🤷🏾♂️. The organization tried, but failed. So honestly, Jones wasnt good, and the organization is even worse.
Danny Drop'ems is the nickname! Jones always fumbling the rock
As the SUPREME NYGANGSTAS fan I will say there is a lot of truth and a lot of 🧢 in what they were saying…
Yes I agree that Daniel Jones wasn’t the answer and paying him was a big mistake, but the media moves the goalposts for the Giants more than any other team in the NFL…
1) If everyone knew that the Vikings were fraudulent, why were they favored so heavily before they played us in the playoffs??? Everyone thought that the Vikings were one of the most competitive teams in the NFL the way they had back to back historical comebacks 🤷🏾♂️ so that’s where Joy TaylorGang is wrong
2) THE GIANTS HAVE BEATEN GOOD TEAMS as well in the past 2 years…???? So idk where this “The Giants aren’t competitive” narrative comes from
3) NOBODY is succeeding with an OLine as bad as the Giants was. When you top that off with all of the injuries from this season, you realize that the Giants were on the side of misfortune in this past year.
When we draft a QB and address OLine needs in Free Agency, I wanna see all the haters talk then 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
Truth, The Giants beat the Packers with some 3rd string QB that I forgot his name already. The same packers that almost took down the Niners
Jones wouldve been the answer if we actually had a line to work with n a defense not fulled of practice squad players last year
If North Dakota State can send a QB to the NFL, why not Duke? In all due respect.
Are you talking about Trey Lance? If so …. his point stands. Both QB are terrible.
Wyoming too..Shady a HATER OF ALL NFC EAST TEAMS💯💯
To be fair, North Dakota State is a powerhouse in Div. 1 FCS football.. they’ve won like 9 national championships since 2011.. So even though it’s not the highest level, they are a “football school”.. And before injury and a bunch of other stuff, Carson Wentz was tearing the whole league to shreds..
@@gbmbg114 FAIR POINT! I forgot about Carson.
Oh, but they have. A total of 10 times, including Daniel Jones
Shady won his Super Bowls on the bench 😂😂😂
That’s all his resume needed before he retired
On what team. I lost track. Was he on the practice squad
That’s not really a RB stat I though.. he’s being a bit harsh here; so I get the backlash.. but he was nasty in his prime
Straight facts
Was Still better than Danny Dummies😂😂😂
DeVito = $750,000 backup
Jones = $160,000,000 backup
Give Danny Dimes an Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Kevin Stafanski and he would be a consistent top 10 level type of QB. These analysts go after Daniel Jones but in the same breath will fall on the sword for Russell Wilson & Justin Fields. I bet if Wilson went to the Giants these analysts would hype them up as a playoff contender like they did with Denver.
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I get so sick of these folks running their mouths, especially that woman
The problem with Daniel Jones is that he doesn’t know what he seeing in front of him. He is not processing what’s happening. He stares down his receivers. Idk how you fix that.
Shady said the quiet part out loud😂😂😂😂😂
It’s like yall stealing topics from ESPN because since when everyone give af about Daniel Jones😂
Draft a point guard out of Duke. For a qb you need to go to a football school!
DJ robbed the Giants in front of the world and got away with it. He is my GOAT just for that
Omm and he was really flexing because he wanted more
He never should have been drafted so high but he never had good help at WR or OL. Also Saquon is always hurt the one playoff game he won Saquon was watching on the sidelines.
Y'all forgot he was pushed by Peyton and Eli Manning cause he was their QB training camp main start.
What did Saquon Barkley do last year
"Why are we going to Duke to get players?" took me out
I don’t know what Joy was talking about. The question was did DJ get a fair shake, and she’s talking about the cost of tea in China.
JJ reactions always kills me😂😂😂
LOL, if it's a spelling bee, shady got me with that.
Sure he never should have been as high as he was but he did technically put Duke on the map. But the main point is that he never had help at WR or OL at all! Also Barkley was hurt more than not really having consistent help
I’m no Daniel Jones fan but ya are haters
If Daniel jones was in hurts position with the best oline and 2 top 15 recievers he would be considered a top 10 qb like hurts is
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jalen Hurts doesn't turn over the ball and he's a leader.
Finally, common sense.
Delusional......how do regular folks think they know more than those that have played?
Wait you don’t give Herbert none of that excuses but you going that for Daniel jones
You're not gonna get an intelligent response to that question that's for sure 😂😂😂
Herbert is putting up historic numbers early in his career & he actually has reliable weapons, he can’t control other guys getting injured.. Herbert’s thing now is translating his production to the postseason
@carlgilmore-murry5789 his coach was wack last year but now he's gone.Harbaugh is there now and I wouldn't be surprised if they go to the AFC championship
The judgement is different for them because Herb FLOOR is better than Daniel CEILING! So the conversation is going to be different. The expectations are different. There will always be more dialogue around disappointments on the level of expectations.
So because he didn’t go to a power 5 school he doesn’t deserve to be in the nfl?
Why doesn’t any analyst talk about the OWNERSHIP. The Owner is half the problem on these teams.
Shady you went to Pitt
Thank you Shady
It could have been worse. Thank god it wasn’t Haskins
Shooting bail for Daniel Jones but not Herbert is crazy
The Giants defense was way better than the Bears but y'all still dragged Justin fields make it make sense
Giants didn’t pick up his 5th year option and his giant career was on the line. The Giants made the playoffs and won the playoff game because of him and he got paid. His giant career is on the line again because the giants can draft a QB and they can cut him after the 2024 season. Let’s see what he does this season.
4:36 4:37 How many super bowls you want? The giants got more super bowls than the eagles. The eagles only got one. In fact, the commander's got 3. The eagles got one fresh fry and you all told me the jungle about Daniel Jones. I know you guys got no super bowls
Joy mentioned the offense and how low they ranked, and that was with Barkley. So it would make sense that they don't overpay him just as the Eagles did. Once they move on from Jones, which will come after this season, unless they are able to move him sooner, they will have fixed a mistake.
I’m pretty sure “Danny Dimes” came from his rookie preseason games they thought he was a phenom
Dave gettlemen drafted him. He's retired now.
The one time I ever agree with joy
It's obvious Schoen did not want Jones otherwise he would have picked up the 5th year option. It was widely rumored that Mara was the one who forced the contract thinking he "got his next Eli Manning."
So the last time they’ve won the division was when they won the Super Bowl in 2011
I’d take jones over dak. Give him a shot Dallas. Sometimes people just need a fresh start
You are 🚬. Stop it.
Let me geuss, you'd take MCarthy at 1 too 😂
Danny dimes won a playoff game. He might not be Peyton but the guy plays a calm game. That’s something Dallas needs. They don’t need to score 40 points, they need a guy to run if need be and not turn the ball over.
Perception surrounding Daniel Jones and Justin Fields is totally different when they’ve both been in the same type of situation except many still believe in Fields for reasons.
Danny Dimes comes from DJ playing like Brady in the pre-seasons and ghost in the regular seasons!
It's not really about with Daniel Jones did or didn't show this is a good year for quarterbacks in the draft
Acho sympathizing for Jones because of the front office/coach turnover he has had, but fails to sympathize with Herbert even though Herbert been dealing with turnover turmoil since college.
Everyone but people in the Giants organisation knew this wasn't that guy...or even....a guy.
Thanks for making life in the division easy danny dimes
I love me some Shady my dude said why we going to Duke to get player’s
A Quarterback !!
😂😅😂
He was the perfect pick for the Shumur. In that regard, yes he was given a fair shale. if you consider then Giants then trashing all the coaches (except Special teams) for the next 5 years, no it was really a fair shake. Just depends on how you look at it.
The O-Line was never fixed Fr but his turnovers and his regression year 2 in an offense he is similar with is bad
Drew lock had a worse situation and a year with COVID and only started like 10 games 😂
“Absolutely SMACK’D”-
Joi meant that!😂😂
If you asking me that question, my answer would be, during the Gettlemen era, no. Because during that period, he was setup for failure with how Gettlemen failed to buikd around him and did not maintain a stable environment with the coaching staff, having to play for Pat Shumur for just one year then with Joe Judge for two years. He was essentially damaged goods by the time he got to Brian Daboll and Joe Schoen
He played at Duke!!! wtf did they expect?
What has Barkley really done besides sitting on the sidelines?
Got Daniel Jones paid.. Jones by far had his best season last year & coincidentally it happened when Saquon was healthy.. teams game plan to stop #26 & they dare #8 to beat them by throwing
@@carlgilmore-murry5789lmfao exactly. And even that season was still average af. He's a below average NFL QB and never should've been paid anywhere near $40mil/ yr.
@@TheForbiddenOne55 Don’t get it twisted the Giants didn’t give him much to work w/ outside of Saquon but heck what did Justin Fields have before he got DJ Moore ?? & Fields nearly broke the single season rushing record for a QB w/ a terrible O-line & no reliable weapons to throw to
Look up Jones Record without Saquon. Jones actually has better Record without Saquon. Jones is not a elite QB, but the guy took all the heat and that Oline took zero. What did Saquon do last season?
@@Mid.night1000rr Still doesn’t dismiss the fact that Jones by far had his best season when Saquon was healthy & that season was subpar at best.. Teams literally dare him to throw the ball( 60TD passes & 42ints in 5 seasons & 60 total games played )
What does multiple coaches have to do with not being able to hit a receiver that’s open by 10 yards? Bad move giving him a pile of dough.
Wow shady got this one. He bout to end daniel jones options
Shady last year was saying to pay Daniel Jones over Saquon. Now everyone has come to their senses. They should have never paid Jones, it was a bad pick. Draft a QB at 6
Daniel Jones is the second Duke QB that the Giants had for the first was Dave Brown.
There’s a reason why the Giants in reality only gave Jones a two-year contract with an option for two more… Jones will be on the roster this year and gone by next off season. If I were the Giants, I’d go HARD after Russell Wilson and draft a project QB.
I was his biggest supporter…. Until last year … barring one 2nd half against a bad team … he overthrew /underthrew … held and took sacks , but then took off early …. Yes the O line struggled but the giants went 4-3 down the stretch AFTER he got hurt . I didn’t even have a big problem with his extension because of the out ….. so now draft a qb … if he starts …. Short leash
This is the only time I’ve agreed with Shady. He was never a first rounder. He’s a back up at best.
I CANT' STAND sHADY but i love his take on this one because i am a Giants fans lol.
If they keep him, then, that means they are buying into the sunk cost fallacy. Just because it’s been all that money, they feel like they have to keep them in order to justify that salary
Everybody knows that the guy is not going to get it done. They need to just cut their losses.
This whole subject and the people who spoke on it really don’t get the point. Most of the points were either to mock him or belittle what he did with what he had. The Giants gave him an extension because of the success he had last season and tired to improve the roster, Even with his ability that team as a whole fell apart (not only him). Overall he had an ok (at best) shake with the Giants. It just sucks the stuff they tried to build around him never truly worked out.
Shady, how many teams was he on? What about Jones…..a big nothing too. Duke is garbage for football but let’s not forget where Jones played his ball. San Jose State, talking trash about someone else and all these fools forget to look in the mirror. What are Joy Taylor’s credentials for being a sports analyst. At least Skip can say he played the game.
Shady talk like a student from duke😂😂😂