In 2006, when I first got my driver’s license at 16, I drove my best friend and boyfriend about 4 hours away, after school, to go see Chiodos touring with The Devil Wears Prada and Alesana, using only printed out Mapquest directions. (This was before phones had internet or GPS lol) We drove there and back in the dark and went to school the next morning without sleeping, in my new Chiodos t-shirt. Looking back, I have no idea how we did that but it’s one of my favorite memories. About half way there, we stopped at McDonald’s to get dinner, and the guy at the register shouted out loud, “Y’ALL GOIN’ TO THAT DEVIL WEARS PRADA SHIT??!!” Chiodos will always be one of my favorite bands of all time.
I think they really went wrong when they kicked Craig out. When they brought Craig back it was too late to salvage the ship. By the time he returned in 2012, it was a way different scene and so many other bands emerged, ADTR, Asking Alexandria, SWS etc.. I think people really just moved on
Wilkes-Barre Wrestling sure La Dispute has definitely enjoyed some success but not to the level of any of the bands I mentioned, or even chiodos in their peak but more importantly they’ve never really been a part of the warped tour/alt press scene that we’re talking about. And I don’t think they’ve ever wanted to be, they’ve always kinda done their own thing
Super excited to see the Jason Hale love. He is from my hometown in South TX and actually was in my audio engineering class at community college around 2013. I talked to him a few times and he was super chill and humble about what Chiodos had done up until that point. He was telling me about how they used some cool recording techniques like bouncing vocals off of a book shelf during the recording of illuminaudio. Super under rated guitar player.
Craig Owens was a god back then to all us scene kids. There were so many bands during that time that were swapping lead singers or starting side bands thinking that they could continue the success other places, which hurt the main band. If you haven’t already, Taking Back Sunday would be a great band to talk about and how they came back and were still selling out shows in 2017 & 2018. Saw them both years, amazing, highly suggest seeing them if they go back on tour. Jonny Craig would also be an interesting one to dissect.
I think he heard you on that Craig one. I went to a lot of Local Shows but never too many real venue shows. Seeing TBS for thier comeback Tour is something I'll always cherish.
I legit put down EVERYTHIGN I WAS DOING the second this video showed up on my homepage. Chiodos is one of those bands that I love SO MUCH and no one I know IRL can relate whatsoever. Now that I'm here for this video, I'm terrified of what you're going to expose them for hahahahaha
You should do one of these on Saosin. As much as I love that band they have also always been a straight up mess. Cove was on a podcast in the last couple years that shed a lot of light on the time of him leaving the band too so the info is out there. EDIT: I wrote this before you brought up Saosin in your video lol.
Their first 2 CD’s were always in my CD player in my first car when I was in High School. I also lived in Michigan and was lucky enough to be in the Undertakers Thirst For Revenge music video. I was also at the very last Cinematic Sunrise show in Pontiac. I love your videos dude I feel like you understand me lol.
I’ve fallen in love with your channel man! As a person that was emo af and went to dubstep around 2014, I still hold my scene/emo days so close and you have a way of bringing back that nostalgia 💜
Their concert were the best!! They played for 2 hours and all of their songs, everyone would sing along, and moshing was friendly!! Good times! Saw them with tdwp, fftl, and chiodos. One of many concerts!!
I was a roadie for Asking Alexandria on their ‘Reckless and Relentless’ tour, and Chiodos w/ Brandon Bolmer was on the tour as well...I remember there were a couple of shows where they literally got booed the entire time because everyone wanted to see Craig. I personally think Illuminadio is one of, if not their best album front to back..and Tanner, their drummer at the time; is seriously one of the best drummers I’ve ever seen live. I can say, first hand, that those guys are some of the coolest, most down to earth people on the planet. And since Asking weren’t much in to smoking weed, I found myself hanging on Chiodos’ and Emmures busses quite a bit. :p love these guys and your vids are awesome man. Keep up the good work!
Devin Poole ah dude, it was so rad. It was back in 2011, and Chiodos was a band I had previously listened to in high school constantly, just a couple of years prior to that....so , it was so weird in the coolest fucking way, to find myself hanging on their tour bus with them..absolutely surreal. And to see how far Asking has came since then blows my mind. They were all incredibly nice, and we all felt like family by the end of it. One of the coolest experiences of my life, man. 🤙🏼
I'm just now watching this video, so just now seeing your comment lol but still... That was actually my first metal concert (The Pageant in STL, MO) 🤘😂 Lower Than Atlantis, Evergreen Terrace, Chiodos, Miss May I, Emmure, and Asking Alexandria. I remember being super bummed I missed Craig, but I personally loved Brandon. So I was basically fine with whoever I saw singing for them lol. I had VIP to that show and still have the picture of my group of friends with AA (who were thoroughly hammered 😜), including Ben basically hanging on me. I also still have the picture of me with Levi from Miss May I and the shirt he signed (he's so soft spoken and sweet compared to appearing like a fucking demon on stage 🤣). I was also in the very front (only thing between me and the stage was the security rail and security guy haha). Hell of a great show. Never been so covered in someone else's spit (LTA spit on the crowd basically their whole set 😷 and sweat (mostly the guitar player of Chiodos 🤦🏻♀️) tho... 👀😂🤘
This is an awesome video man!! Craig Owens truly is one of the best vocalists/showman I've ever seen in person with Chiodos and D.R.U.G.S. respectively so I definitely agree with you on that. I really wish both of these bands would do a reunion tour someday or at least record another album. Devil really seemed like D.R.U.G.S. 2.0 imo. I grew up with D.R.U.G.S. after seeing them for the first time in 2011 as co-support for Hollywood Undead and didn't know D.R.U.G.S. or Craig Owens and when they split I got hooked on Chiodos. I still digged both bands a lot. It's crazy to think that I've listened to Craig Owens music in general for close to 8 years now because of that one tour alone. Chiodos really seemed like one of those bands that people really knew or didn't know because of the name alone that I've noticed over the years. They still are so underrated to me to this day and I wish they could have continued.
@@thecozyrep No problem!! I hope he gets back into heavy music someday. BadXchannels is pretty cool his new project but seems so much more different lol.
yo this this video is great ! Chiodos played a huge part in my life and I love seeing that they were important to other people too. I agree that getting rid of Craig was the beginning of the end for the band. Keep creating content like this cause I know me and many others will be watching.
I think bone palace ballet is a complete masterpiece! Instrumentally it’s on a whole other level compared to all’s well ends well. The collapse of chiodos is really so unfortunate. Should’ve been so much more
Alls well is their best album out of their 3 albums they made. 😂 future looked so bright for them but went downhill so quick. Craig made them a unique sound and their drummer before he left as a savage. Any other side projects from these guys weren’t crap without one another and that goes for Craig as well. He wasn’t crap without them.
Yeah dude I've watched several of your videos at this point. Youre super well informed and you full capture the culture at that time man. Super big bravo
Hi Julian, thanks for making this awesome video! I grew up listening to Chiodos back when I was 14 years old (I'll be 30 this year lol) Anyhoo, I thought I was the only one wondering what went wrong with Chiodos? This is one of those bands that had so much potential and they could've been viewed more on TH-cam or listened too. In my opinion, I think that it had to do how this band were known. Let me explain, keep in mind 2005 was the birth of TH-cam, so not a lot was going there. Chiodos was visible to me because I had high school friends who burned me a copy of their first album, plus I didn't really have a computer to watch their videos on AOL or Yahoo. Also, Social Media was barely on the rise between 2000's. Yes, we had Myspace, pff even Hot Topic but if you look now it's so easy to support a band from any social media. To become HUGE!!!! So many underground bands can easily get more contacts, support & fanbase on any social network (and I'm talking about Facebook & Instagram) I do agree with you though, I believe the band letting go Craig Owens was a big mistake. Having to depart from a band is not so bad sometimes. When I found out Craig was working on other side projects I was a little bum but I didn't mind his solo career..until D.R.U.G.S!! But going back to the time Chiodos reunited (with Craig Owens) I feel like there wasn't much hype. Like, ok "Who the hell is Chiodos again?" And I know they were probably aiming for the new/ younger audience. But I feel like it all fail. I mean if you look as of now on TH-cam, there last album "Devil" doesn't really have many views. This goes to the other early scene, post-hardcore, emo bands as well. Look at Senses Fail, AFI, Silverstein, Hawthorne Heights, Bayside, etc. They still make music but they don't get many views or are "into". A lot more audience are interested what's popular on there channel or post or whatever is on their feed 👉Twenty One Pilot, Neck Deep, Imagine Dragon.... Chiodos will always have a place in my heart. As you mentioned, I can too go on listening to their first album (all of the songs). It may be one of the best album! "All Nereids Beware & Lindsay quit lollygagging" are my favorite. 🤘🤘🤘🤘
thanks so much for watching and thank you for the kind words!! i definitely agree with you on the social media aspect. Chiodos definitely came right before that whole explosion of media. and when they came back with Craig the scene had already progressed so much and the kids were into different things, the whole metalcore/post hardcore wave was dying down at that point. but yeah thanks so much for watching :)
Kristina, don't know about the rest of the band but Im sure I can link this video to guitarist Pat Mcmanaman (pronounced Mc-man-ah-mon). I think he is still tight with drummer Derrick frost
@@jamhawk75 I'm not sure but I sent it to his wife and she told me she would show him. I'll ask them next time I see them.... Maybe a couple of times a year
*NOTE: Sorry for the long as comment, I’ve just got a lot to say about Chiodos since they’re one of my favorite bands of that era and the album All’s Well That Ends Well is one of my favorite albums of all time. Seriously there’s not a single song on that album that isn’t great. Chiodos came into my life at a time when I really need them too. When those songs almost felt like they were written specifically for me and where I was at that time in my life, despite my being 13 years old in 2006. That album help me understand my emotions a little more and helped to understand that I’m wasnt the only one that felt the way I did, or thought the way I did. I’m a writer so I think of things in same way as Graig does in the those song. He also inspired my writing A LOT. Chiodos is an extremely underrated band, if you haven listened to them please do. You will not be disappointed.* Chiodos was a great band and like you said, really had the potential to be a Legacy band for the Scene at that time. I found them on MySpace like all of us did due to the song “Baby, You Wouldn’t Last...” which along with “No Penguins in Alaska” became instant classics of the era. I still listen to The Heartless Control Everything (Which I personally believe might be a Kingdom Hearts reference due to the time in which it was release) and All’s Well That Ends Well. Chiodos was a legitimately great band making great music where as a lot of bands from that era old got big because they had attractive guys, and sometimes girls, that dressed in the “Alternative” style, let be honest. There were plenty of bands like that. BOTDF, Brokencyde, Millionaires, Jeffrey Star, Death in December(if you’ve ever herd of them. They were decent band but just never quite could make it to the next level), BlessTheFall(ok band, but just weren’t quite there), and so on. Chiodos on the other hand, much like MCR, were really making some of the best music to come from that scene. While MCR were able to break into the mainstream with “Helena” and “Ghost of You” appearing on MTV2, and the release of the Black Parade album. Chiodos never really did. They remind a sort of hidden gem to the wider public. Which is a shame because there’s bands be given credit for boosting the Scene that weren’t actually part of it but Chiodos never gets their credit expect from their fans or other that were involved in the genesis of that scene. I think the reason for that, why they don’t get the recognition they deserve and where they tripped up, is because of Chiodos and Craig Owens splitting and going separate ways. I’m not exactly privy as to why this happened, but it came the worst time. They had just dropped the Bone Palace Ballet, with “The Undertaker’s Thirst...” and “Letters From Janelle”. I remember Bone Palace being such a highly anticipated album on MySpace. It’s all anyone I knew could talk about. We were just biting our nails to see what Chiodos was doing next. Then they dropped the music video for “Undertaker’s...” and shit blew up. Everyone was going crazy for it, and then of course they dropped the album and most everyone loved it. I was one of the people that though it was good but preferred All’s Well... to Bone Palace... Then they split with Craig, and I remember just being devastated. I could imagine Chiodos without Craig’s voice. He WAS the voice of Chiodos, there’s no arguing that. When you think Chiodos you think Craig Owens belting out “SHE LOVES MEEEE, SHE LOVES ME NOOOOOOT...” There’s no replacing that. When Illuminotio drop with the new singer, it just wasn’t the same and I think a lot of other fans felt the same way. It wasn’t that we loved Craig Owens so we refused anyone else. It was because the sound was different they weren’t in a different direction. I’m pretty sure Craig wrote most of not all the lyrics for Chiodos, and their subject matter and metaphors for falling in love and falling out of love, feeling like you’re stranded on a beach with no one but yourself and a broken heart, letting go and moving on, all that and how Epic Chiodos sound was why I loved them. No other band from that era sounded like them. It’s a little hard to explain their sound with words. Like yes they sounded like a Post-Hardcore screamo band but at the same time the intricacies of the music and each instrument woven into the composition with melodic guitar and piano, accented with an almost Classic style of music, all elevated and extenuated by Craig Owens voice. That’s how I’d describe it, a Classically influences Hardcore band. That’s the best way with words that I could describe it. Unfortunately, they made a bad career choice as a band by splitting with Craig. They had just arrived at they’re peak critically, commercially, and musically. We the fans who kinda fell away just felt it wasn’t the same anymore. It was almost like hearing a completely different band. It’s like when Alice In Chains got a new singer after Layne Staley died. It just wasn’t the same. Replacing band members, especially as a band is reaching their peak and have already established their sound and style with 3 albums, is an extremely hard thing to do. They’ll never be able to find another person that can play and/or song, or write songs the same way as a previous member. Ever. It’s extremely difficult and very damaging to a band’s momentum musically and commercially, especially so when the member being replaced is the singer/songwriter of the band. That’s the voice of the band, both literally with sound, but also figuratively with subject matter, subtext, undertones, themes, and so on and that was Chiodos’ downfall.
@@miacruz1543 same! :D except I am 22 now so in 06 I was 8 lol but bands like Jamie's elsewhere soilwork a static lullaby Slipknot alesana enter shikari motionless In white this romantic tragedy all got me into metal music when I was in 5th grade thanks to my brother and his friends
(i'm aware this video is over a year old but i've been watching all your videos lately lol) personally, even as a longtime fan of chiodos, i loved brandon as the singer. he had an amazing vocal color to add to the band and i was bummed when he was gone. maybe it would've been cool if they had two singers to bounce off each other lyrically and in singing techniques. In whatever Craig offered in terms of singing, brandon really helped with the clarity needed for their songs sometimes. craig was great, don't get me wrong, but i think brandon getting added even as a second vocalist would've given them a bit more grounding in terms of their vocal sound. i saw both chiodos and craig owens live years ago (warped and a small venue respectively), and he's a great performer, so i think he could've brought brandon out better in terms of stage presence back then. these bands all have major issues in helping each other out from within the band. it's always like they're out to sabotage themselves instead of actually progressing. they should've just taken a hiatus after the craig thing instead of releasing something with someone new. fucking wild now that we look back at this.
I still jam Illuminaudio to this day, I think "Brandon era" chiodos was very underrated. Especially with the instrumentals, I found a lot of very memorable things about it! Jason Hale was definitely a key part of that album/chiodos' sound (one reason I think I wasn't really feeling 'Devil')
I agree, when Thomas Erak joined I thought devil was gonna be a banger of an album, but you could hear the lack of Jason's style, which made chiodos for me
I was definitely in that minority of loving Illuminaudio. It's very nice to see the fan base come around and give the album the appreciation it deserves.
Dance Gavin Dance or Alexisonfire's impact on Much Music and the Canadian Post-Hardcore scene. Love the Underoath mention. Define the Great Line is one in my top 20 post hardcore albums of all time.
So dude, I've watched like 20 of your videos now from the ciwwaf rise and fall to the bryannstars rise and fall, to the 3 part never shout never videos and I've been missing the 2007 scene, I was literally raised on blink and grew into the neon scene and I've missed it so much, but watching these videos about all these old bands and even discovering new old bands I can feel on has been sick as hell. Keep doing this. You have earned a sub which I dont do often.
at the time I really enjoyed Illuminaudio, there are some bangers on that album! not sure if I knew I was in the minority, but... just finding your channel now, love it!
Incoming comment essay so I apologize in advance! First thing, you're about the only channel that talks about that specific time and place in the mid-late 00s - that far too brief period in my life when hopping on the city bus instead of the school bus after class and trucking down to the mall newsstand to get the new issue of AP was the big event of the month. Hearing you analyze and explore the careers of bands like Chiodos and TAI... and guys like Ryan Ross in such a well-researched and informed way instead of dismissing "emo kid shit" is SO refreshing. And I wanna thank you for it. This was a big part of a lot of people's lives and its good seeing it get a serious treatment for once. Second thing, I'd be interested what you have to say about another band I feel were lost to that time/scene in posthardcore/metalcore - Atreyu. I was there when they were at their peak - the 'Lead Sails Paper Anchor' and 'Congregation Of The Damned' albums were big successes, everyone from Chad-tastic dudebros to the skinniest emo kids knew their songs, they were on the Taste Of Chaos 2008 tour with Underoath and Avenged Sevenfold, and seemed so poised to be the next HUGE thing when they went on hiatus seemingly out of the blue. By the time they had a reunion and comback a couple years ago, they seemed outdated and younger bands who were inspired by them (like Ice Nine Kills) were beating them at their own sound, or fellow bands from the scene days had totally eclipsed them in fame (mostly Avenged Sevenfold). afaik they're still going, but nowhere near as relevant or famous as they once were.
Get on this late... I’ve been wicked thirsty for Chiodos (just got Bone Palace Ballet on vinyl.... cause I’m that guy). This is quenching me real good. Thanks man!
Thomas Erak making music with Craig Owens is a dream come true, but I expected it to sound like Chiodos meets Fall of Troy. Instead I feel like the production kept the guitar pretty down low.
oh man I just got into chiodos!!!!! I was a toddler when they had their run. even then, I think ur small analysis on the differences between bone palace and alls well is spot on !!!! I love this video
I love the internet. Never did I ever expect to have a mini doc done on a "small" band from my youth. I was so happy to see you compare them to one of my other favorite bands mewithoutyou. Awesome content Cozy.
Chiodos' Alls well that ends well & The Killers' Hot Fuss. Best albums ever made. Also I am editing this comment after watching your full video because I have to tell you what a great video it was! I'm so late here, but awesome video!
Great video, I love chiodos. I couldn't listen to their third album at the time because they kicked out Craig Owens, lol. Owens definitely knew how to work a crowd and his live performances were sick.
Hey man! Great video, you made me realize that i never actually listened to “Devil” album. I will have to give it a listen. I will always have a memory of watching Chiodos play at warped tour and Craig standing on top of a crowd of people. So epic! You should make a video of Scary kids scaring kids 👍🏽😁
Just had to drop what I was doing while listening to this video and say, man, you’re REALLY good at telling stories. Keep doing this. I could see this style of video getting huge. kudos.
One of my bands opened up for chiodos at the Outland ballroom in Springfield, MO during the devil era! They were fucking great I think Craig has some of the best screams I’ve ever heard live shit almost melted my face off. Sorry if I’m blowing up all your videos I just found your channel recently and I’m loving all the videos!
CHIODOS are the first band I watched live and I have been chasing that high ever since. They opened warped tour in Denver and nothing to date can compare. Never seen such a big crowd so invested and hyped on the music since.
pretty cool that you're doin this man, it's definitely untapped.. these bands were definitely a huge part of my life at that time, it was just a vibe lol. minus the band tees and skinny jeans tbh
New fan exploring your old stuff. Commenting at the beggining the video. Over the last few months, you've dictated my next day's playlist. A1 bro. Love you *gentle cheek kiss* *unless that's not cool* *in which case* *impressed eyebrows*
Edit: Isles & Glaciers were AWESOME - too bad all the members had drug problems at the time (some still do) and wasn't Craig in Sounds Of Animals Fighting with the dudes from Rx Bandits and Anthony Green? - Glad someone made this video! They were one of my favorite bands of all time! I even LOVED Illuminaudio with Brandon (too bad they distorted a lot of his screams, apparently, by the time he joined Chiodos, he could no longer scream like he did with YR) so they used the distortion you hear. I have heard Brandon do the songs live and he uses the distortion as well and WAY less on that album. Unfortunately i was NOT a fan of Devil :-( I just could NOT find a song I liked... - Really wish they would've done more things with Thomas Erak (Fall Of Troy) when he joined on Guitar...would've loved to hear him do some vocals parts, etc....
As someone who played guitar in a post hardcore band between 2005-2010 I can tell you “alls well” was very influential amongst a lot of guitarists. But it wasn’t because the guitar parts were intricate. In fact it’s the opposite, pretty much every song revolves around the same chord being used up and down the heck, octaves. Having the backup guitarist doing the same chord but as a third. And then power chords or open D for the chorus or heavier parts. And the Jason Hales guitar tone was very controversial amongst guitarists. Some people thought it sounded really cheap, like a boss distortion pedal with “tone” maxed out and “bass” at 2. But that’s what makes the sound so unique and a lot of guitarists copied it sound. There’s some really creative licks sprinkled in like the lick in the chorus for “All Nereids beware” or the intro of “words best friends”. But it was obvious that Jason put a LOT more effort into the Bone palace album. Using a lot of neo classical scales and modes. I think this was sort of a reaction to people calling his writing “basic” in “alls well”. But it went a little too far in my opinion and lost a lot of what made Chiodos sound like Chiodos. Was very operatic and bombastic. When Chiodos original sound was like listening to your friends band, didn’t take itself too seriously but was endlessly catchy. Jason Hale is in the warped tour guitarist hall of fame in my opinion. Every guitarist knew his name and how to play 3-4 of his songs.
Illuminaudio is when Chiodos hit GOAT status. first 2 albums fucking kill too but Illuminaudio is where shit got real. musically its the best work and the mix of the album is great.
Illuminaudio as a album is there best. It was the live shows that hurt it. I saw them with Brendan n it was great musically but stage presence lacked n alot of the fans hated on the new singer bad. N then craig rejoins refuses to play any songs off illuminaudio. Me personally I think craig only came back to ultimately break it up. I wish they never took him back .
Illuminaudio is technically their 5th album. But I agree. It was def their best written album.. BPB was great too. I can listen to devil.. and I have a hard time listening to every song on AWTEL.. I do like a lot of it tho!! But the 2 releases before that, THE BEST WAY TO RUIN YOUR LIFE, and THE HEARTLESS CONTROL EVERYTHING are absolutely terrible. No wonder everybody tries to forget lol
Hey man I just found your channel and I’m loving your videos. I think you’ve got a lot of great insights! You’re the only other person I’ve ever seen mention the distortion effect on the unclean vocals on Illuminaudio.
I saw Chiodos in Myrtle Beach at the House of Blues I think in ‘06? Their singer wasn’t my favorite but the music and lyrics were solid. I’d love to see you cover how hardcore blew up in the early 2000s with the MySpace era.
I've lost a lot of shit over the years... but I still have my Chiodos "Alls well that ends well" album in the car. It really helps to reflect on how good we all had it.
I also saw Chiodos once on the 2013 Warped Tour! Got All's Well signed and shook Craig's hand, which meant a lot to me at the time. Catching up on all your videos now! It's nice for someone to be making videos about scene bands FFS! They need more love.
Such a reoccurring theme man and it's such a drag that so many bands go through this. If you're able to do the gritty work and explain the unique scenarios of bands, that's fucking awesome. I'd love to hear similar coverage from out on so many bands like TBS, hot water music, and rise against.
Chiodos is tied with Falling in Reverse as my favorite band. Speaking of, you should do a video on Falling in Reverse. They were one of the biggest bands in the warped scene and are still extremely relevant.
I'm two years late to the party but youre great! Wish I knew you in high school during my emo era, you're super charming. I can't wait to see this channel grow !
17:50 I was at that reunion show in boston. Was a amazing show. It broke my heart when they started thermacare n it ended up being the only thing u talk about. But it was still a amazing song . Killer video .
Jason hale is super underrated and I also think Bradley bell was a huge component to the band. I also always thought it was an odd choice that they distorted brendans screams. really loving your channel man! Chiodos was one of my favorites back in highschool
I don't mean to come off as a cynic but I think the only real "wrong" thing Chiodos did was not get into any beef with Craig Owens once he left. It may just be that I'm coming off your Jonny Craig documentary and I'm remembering Jon Mess talking about how Jonny's controversies are marketable to the point where he said "if somebody wants to beat up Jonny after a show I'll be behind a bush with a camcorder in my hand ready to sell the footage" but part of me thinks the respectful nature of not getting into ANY reason for why they kicked Craig out is part of what hampered their longevity. I'm envisioning an alternate timeline where they got into drama and flung shit and it'd be a back and forth between them that keeps buzz for them both Chiodos and Craig alive. I'm imagining they'd have this narrative of the band wanting to do more dark and progressive music and Craig would be painted as the "sellout" who got more interested in the fame of it all. They could paint Illuminaudio as like "the album they REALLY wanted to put out" and there'd be proper stakes behind its quality as a record instead of "man who's the guy they got to replace Craig?" which was let's be real most of the discourse surrounding the album at the time. Think about it though! There's potential for a Squash the Beef style tour with D.R.U.G.S and Chiodos headlining, there's the drama that a proper beef has that ultimately serves to market for both bands, and then eventually when Devil comes out there'd be a resolution of sorts of "well it looks like they don't hate each other after all! :) " It ultimately wouldn't change the fact that Devil is kind of mediocre buuut that's a rant for another time!
Ok, so as many times as I've asked you to do a video about SAOSIN (their split with Anthony, enter Cove Reber, 2 albums with Cove, kick out Cove, mess around with different singers including Tillian and then The Return of Anthony Green)...& You've not done one yet, I just chalked it up to maybe you didn't know that much about it, or were unaware of how big of a deal it was at the time, when AG left, and how divided fans were about Cove..,......but after watching THIS video, YOU TOTALLY *DO* GET IT!!!!!!! SO C'MON COZY!!! I ASK AGAIN! PLEASE MAKE A SAOSIN VIDEO!!¡!¡ There's so much content you can get into with AG leaving Saosin and making Circa Ⴟ Survive and then Solo albums and tons of subsequent bands in the years since......and now him being back in Saosin, and NOW COVE IS BACK WITH A BRAND NEW BAND **DEAD AMERICAN ‼️** (which rules!, In my opinion!) So, yeah, I love this channel! And please make a kickass Saosin vid. Cheers 🥂
I met them in 2004 when they were on tour with Portugal the man and they came to Vegas and we all kicked it. Great guys. I think Craig got kind of a big head, I mean it is very easy to happen, and easy to point out when on the outside of it. They’re great dudes and Craig’s new stuff is pretty cool
I love your videos! Admittedly I never got into 'scene' bands ( i HATED Chiodos and DGD but still love Brand new [despite everything] even at 32) but I love hearing your insights - great passion, it really helps me to understand why people were so into this and related genres (also I hope this comment isn't low key insulting lol)
Illuminaudio was amazing at release, but it probably would have been a mainstream breakthrough if Craig were on it. The live "Thermacare" version always made it super fun to see them after the reunion
You compared the replacement of Craig with when Cove took over for Anthony in Chiodos. The main difference is, Saosin by far had their biggest hits with Cove. Their self titled album was huge and a lot of people found them on that album and didn’t even realize Cove was a replacement. I think Coves Saosin was a force to be reckoned with song writing wise. Very few have had the vocal melody writing chops he had
Yeah the only real comparison between the two bands is they both replaced their High Tenor singer with a mid-tenor singer. The fact is Saosin only had essentially 8 or 9 songs with Anthony Green singing the lead vocals by the time Cove joined the band, while Chiodos had two great albums with a very charismatic and skilled frontman when he was replaced.
@@gelatinpowder1137 - I have as much respect for him as I do Anthony Green. I think both were far more skilled than the instrumentalists in Saosin. Except for their drummer, everybody else was pretty average. Cove seriously elevated their music. And his live vocals are INSANE. The live version of “I can Tell” is out of this world
Correction, first album was the heartless control everything 2003 which had a song called vacation to hell that the band hated but if you begged they would play live
I don't know how I stumbled upon your channel. But I just watched your Bryan Stars video and enjoyed it. Im gonna binge watch all of your videos. I fucking love Chiodos and D.R.U.G.S. You sir have gained a new subscriber.
For some reason the only Chiodos song I knew before watching this was 3AM (off Devil). But you inspired me to listen to more of their stuff, and as a huge Pierce the Veil fan (they’re my favorite band), I’m hearing so many similarities and appreciating what Chiodos contributed to the scene. I discovered your channel through your BryanStars video and love your content! Keep up the great work 👍🏼
Clicked right away. I'm still grieving the loss. Great vid, ty 👏 Unpopular opinion: Illuminaudio is one of my favorite albums of all time; I've listened to it straight through at least 80 times, probably more than I have All's Well and BPB:GC. Was I missing Craig? Absofuckinglutely. But not at all b/c Brandon was lacking something. Brandon's *recorded* voice had a quality to it that brought minor chords in that depth of soul grabbing way and I fell hard for what he was bringing to the table. I listen to his solo shit as Maskarade all the time. With that, the two things I regret most in life are not seeing Fear Before the March of Flames live, (I was strung out at the time), and not seeing Chiodos live with Brandon (that one I can't blame myself for tho, pretty sure they only played 3 shows cuz Brandon's voice). Still, I was thrilled about Craig's return and Thomas Erak, omg - what a fucking cherry on top! So, I was thrilled w/ Devil by using a lens of gratitude for anything called Chiodos/open-mindedness to change, but completely agree with it featuring forced lyrics, lack of cohesion, song structure change for worse, lack of symphonic elements, etc. It totally felt like a hybrid album of Chiodos and D.R.U.G.S. w/ a sprinkle of the Fall of Troy. Can you please do a vid like this on Fear Before? 🙏 P.s. that seven years jump cut 🤣
Last I knew, Jason Hale moved back to Texas and got married...but that was over 10 years ago and I never kept in touch. I would stop by his place and say hi to him when he wasn't on tour with Chiodos, back in 2007-2009. I first saw the "Chiodos Bros" in late 2001- early 2002 at the Flint Local 432 and subsequently went, every time they were in town, partly because they had this insane energy (that a lot of local bands from the mid michigan area had) and because a girl I liked, liked them. If we're talking about the most distinctive elements of early Chiodos, "all's well..." era one can't overlook Bradley C Bell's contributions to the band's overall sound. If you go back and listen to the Chiodos Bros stuff or even All's well... You'll hear it. Nearly every song has a nice piano part or quirky, sporadic piano part. Jason Hale added that extra bit that took them from a posthardcore band to a metal infused post hardcore scene band - I really liked his playing, especially on Bone Palace Ballet. The unreleased King 810 album with Jason Hale, Anachronism, is like one of my favorite albums and Hale's addition to that band was something that could have taken them towards a different trajectory - had he stayed with them. I saw them play, in 2008, at a house show and it was one of the few times I saw them with Hale (as he was frequently on tour for Bone Palace Ballet , during that same period) and subsequently, it was one the few times they played Dreamer (maybe it was "III", I don't remember) and Untitled, 2 songs that employed delay effects throughout the song, to create an atmosphere. Jason's power adapter broke for his delay pedal but I came through with 1 because that's how I roll. Was a powerful show, paint was spilled on the floor...it was everywhere. Ahh memories....I've got a lot and a vivid memory. No time machine to go back and relive it all, though, but the music remains.
Jason was great, however Bradley and Craig literally wrote the majority of Alls well that ends well. IMO Chiodos, was always THE Chiodos bros of Brad and Craig. I miss the old hall shows in Mi
Your doing a great job bro keep the videos coming man... I didnt think I was gonna get through the whole video but boy I was wrong.. If you are really new to video making I must admit I'm impressed... Did you have to do a few retakes? Thank you once again bud for the video Gotta love Chiodos though ❤
I listen to them daily I toured their parks and devastation tour at LC pavilion and dude they were just incredible live Craig can hit the highs and his screams are legit. Such an amazing stage prescense dude. WISH they would come here again
I missed Chiodos at the 2013 Warped Tour. I just totally spaced it and didn't realize they were playing at 2 until around 4. They were one of the main bands I wanted to see that year. I'll never get over that...
I just found your channel like an hour ago, good shit man! I was like in middle school and high school in there era and I love videos like this! Not all try hardy and trying to prove something lmao. Subscribed
In 2006, when I first got my driver’s license at 16, I drove my best friend and boyfriend about 4 hours away, after school, to go see Chiodos touring with The Devil Wears Prada and Alesana, using only printed out Mapquest directions. (This was before phones had internet or GPS lol)
We drove there and back in the dark and went to school the next morning without sleeping, in my new Chiodos t-shirt.
Looking back, I have no idea how we did that but it’s one of my favorite memories.
About half way there, we stopped at McDonald’s to get dinner, and the guy at the register shouted out loud, “Y’ALL GOIN’ TO THAT DEVIL WEARS PRADA SHIT??!!”
Chiodos will always be one of my favorite bands of all time.
thats epic :) the good old days!!!! :')
Thats an epic show, so jelous
I got a signed tdwp drum stick from a warped tour lol miss this shit so much
great tour. Saw all 3 as well
im so jealous
This is just great to finally listen to someone else talk about chiodos other than myself.
I am sure your boyfriend will discuss chiodos with you.
@@markhickman3160 lmao bro you're a fuckin lame ass dude for that comment 😂
lmao for real
I will!
Lol I just found this video and miss this stuff too!
okay but we need a video on the Brand New and Taking Back Sunday beef
This for sure!
That and the Taking Back Sunday Straylight Run beef.
omg YES
YES
YES LOL
I think they really went wrong when they kicked Craig out. When they brought Craig back it was too late to salvage the ship. By the time he returned in 2012, it was a way different scene and so many other bands emerged, ADTR, Asking Alexandria, SWS etc.. I think people really just moved on
yea theyre the academy is... of the punk/screamo scene they paved the way and tripped on their own selves
exactly
@@TheSupart91 Can you elaborate a bit more about how the Academy is sort of tripped over themselves?
La Dispute? You know. an ACTUAL post-hardcore band?
Wilkes-Barre Wrestling sure La Dispute has definitely enjoyed some success but not to the level of any of the bands I mentioned, or even chiodos in their peak but more importantly they’ve never really been a part of the warped tour/alt press scene that we’re talking about. And I don’t think they’ve ever wanted to be, they’ve always kinda done their own thing
ok the saosin edit when you said "wow that's 7 years" LITERALLY HAD ME DED I hope you continue that posthardcorememeshit in your videos
SAOSIN
@@kristenhitchcock1640 riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite
Super excited to see the Jason Hale love. He is from my hometown in South TX and actually was in my audio engineering class at community college around 2013. I talked to him a few times and he was super chill and humble about what Chiodos had done up until that point. He was telling me about how they used some cool recording techniques like bouncing vocals off of a book shelf during the recording of illuminaudio. Super under rated guitar player.
Craig Owens was a god back then to all us scene kids. There were so many bands during that time that were swapping lead singers or starting side bands thinking that they could continue the success other places, which hurt the main band.
If you haven’t already, Taking Back Sunday would be a great band to talk about and how they came back and were still selling out shows in 2017 & 2018. Saw them both years, amazing, highly suggest seeing them if they go back on tour.
Jonny Craig would also be an interesting one to dissect.
I second that Jonny Craig dissect
Jonny Craig dissect. Yes, please.
I think he heard you on that Craig one.
I went to a lot of Local Shows but never too many real venue shows.
Seeing TBS for thier comeback Tour is something I'll always cherish.
All 3 parts are out about Johnny Craig
Taking back sunday is one band I have yet to see and really hope someday I could. Not sure if it will ever happen but I hope it would haha
Bro you should do a video on alesana
THEY ARE AMAZING
Yes he Fucking should!!!
Then do circa survive!!!!!!!!
@@kennethcastaneda1909 I second that circa survive notion. Or The Sound of Animals Fighting
Super late but YES!! ALESANA 👏👏
He should do Funeral For a Friend after Circa.
I legit put down EVERYTHIGN I WAS DOING the second this video showed up on my homepage. Chiodos is one of those bands that I love SO MUCH and no one I know IRL can relate whatsoever. Now that I'm here for this video, I'm terrified of what you're going to expose them for hahahahaha
You should do one of these on Saosin. As much as I love that band they have also always been a straight up mess. Cove was on a podcast in the last couple years that shed a lot of light on the time of him leaving the band too so the info is out there.
EDIT: I wrote this before you brought up Saosin in your video lol.
Their first 2 CD’s were always in my CD player in my first car when I was in High School. I also lived in Michigan and was lucky enough to be in the Undertakers Thirst For Revenge music video. I was also at the very last Cinematic Sunrise show in Pontiac. I love your videos dude I feel like you understand me lol.
Prolly been to shows together. Davidson represent
I’ve fallen in love with your channel man! As a person that was emo af and went to dubstep around 2014, I still hold my scene/emo days so close and you have a way of bringing back that nostalgia 💜
Their concert were the best!! They played for 2 hours and all of their songs, everyone would sing along, and moshing was friendly!! Good times! Saw them with tdwp, fftl, and chiodos. One of many concerts!!
wow tdwp fftl and chiodos thats a god tier lineup haha
I was a roadie for Asking Alexandria on their ‘Reckless and Relentless’ tour, and Chiodos w/ Brandon Bolmer was on the tour as well...I remember there were a couple of shows where they literally got booed the entire time because everyone wanted to see Craig. I personally think Illuminadio is one of, if not their best album front to back..and Tanner, their drummer at the time; is seriously one of the best drummers I’ve ever seen live. I can say, first hand, that those guys are some of the coolest, most down to earth people on the planet. And since Asking weren’t much in to smoking weed, I found myself hanging on Chiodos’ and Emmures busses quite a bit. :p love these guys and your vids are awesome man. Keep up the good work!
Devin Poole ah dude, it was so rad. It was back in 2011, and Chiodos was a band I had previously listened to in high school constantly, just a couple of years prior to that....so , it was so weird in the coolest fucking way, to find myself hanging on their tour bus with them..absolutely surreal. And to see how far Asking has came since then blows my mind. They were all incredibly nice, and we all felt like family by the end of it. One of the coolest experiences of my life, man. 🤙🏼
I'm just now watching this video, so just now seeing your comment lol but still... That was actually my first metal concert (The Pageant in STL, MO) 🤘😂 Lower Than Atlantis, Evergreen Terrace, Chiodos, Miss May I, Emmure, and Asking Alexandria. I remember being super bummed I missed Craig, but I personally loved Brandon. So I was basically fine with whoever I saw singing for them lol. I had VIP to that show and still have the picture of my group of friends with AA (who were thoroughly hammered 😜), including Ben basically hanging on me. I also still have the picture of me with Levi from Miss May I and the shirt he signed (he's so soft spoken and sweet compared to appearing like a fucking demon on stage 🤣). I was also in the very front (only thing between me and the stage was the security rail and security guy haha). Hell of a great show. Never been so covered in someone else's spit (LTA spit on the crowd basically their whole set 😷 and sweat (mostly the guitar player of Chiodos 🤦🏻♀️) tho... 👀😂🤘
your doing the lords work son
This is an awesome video man!! Craig Owens truly is one of the best vocalists/showman I've ever seen in person with Chiodos and D.R.U.G.S. respectively so I definitely agree with you on that. I really wish both of these bands would do a reunion tour someday or at least record another album. Devil really seemed like D.R.U.G.S. 2.0 imo. I grew up with D.R.U.G.S. after seeing them for the first time in 2011 as co-support for Hollywood Undead and didn't know D.R.U.G.S. or Craig Owens and when they split I got hooked on Chiodos. I still digged both bands a lot. It's crazy to think that I've listened to Craig Owens music in general for close to 8 years now because of that one tour alone. Chiodos really seemed like one of those bands that people really knew or didn't know because of the name alone that I've noticed over the years. They still are so underrated to me to this day and I wish they could have continued.
i hear you! such great classic music, still good to this day. i wish craig would make some heavy music again! but yo thanks for watchin :)
@@thecozyrep No problem!! I hope he gets back into heavy music someday. BadXchannels is pretty cool his new project but seems so much more different lol.
@@Cringey_Swine yeah he's on some RnB shit hahaha
yo this this video is great ! Chiodos played a huge part in my life and I love seeing that they were important to other people too. I agree that getting rid of Craig was the beginning of the end for the band. Keep creating content like this cause I know me and many others will be watching.
thank you so much!
I think bone palace ballet is a complete masterpiece! Instrumentally it’s on a whole other level compared to all’s well ends well. The collapse of chiodos is really so unfortunate. Should’ve been so much more
imo All's Well that End's Well has an atmosphere to it that sounds so unique. But yeah Bone Palace is probably the more mature album
Alls well is their best album out of their 3 albums they made. 😂 future looked so bright for them but went downhill so quick. Craig made them a unique sound and their drummer before he left as a savage. Any other side projects from these guys weren’t crap without one another and that goes for Craig as well. He wasn’t crap without them.
Why doesn't this have more views? I'm already hooked on this channel man. Call me Subscriber 39.
lmao thank you so much!!!
Yeah dude I've watched several of your videos at this point. Youre super well informed and you full capture the culture at that time man. Super big bravo
Chiodos is criminally underrated today and I'm so glad this video exists
It’s 2023 and TikTok still hasn’t changed this. Craig deserved a much better opener for his current acoustic tour
Hi Julian, thanks for making this awesome video!
I grew up listening to Chiodos back when I was 14 years old (I'll be 30 this year lol)
Anyhoo, I thought I was the only one wondering what went wrong with Chiodos? This is one of those bands that had so much potential and they could've been viewed more on TH-cam or listened too. In my opinion, I think that it had to do how this band were known. Let me explain, keep in mind 2005 was the birth of TH-cam, so not a lot was going there. Chiodos was visible to me because I had high school friends who burned me a copy of their first album, plus I didn't really have a computer to watch their videos on AOL or Yahoo. Also, Social Media was barely on the rise between 2000's. Yes, we had Myspace, pff even Hot Topic but if you look now it's so easy to support a band from any social media. To become HUGE!!!! So many underground bands can easily get more contacts, support & fanbase on any social network (and I'm talking about Facebook & Instagram)
I do agree with you though, I believe the band letting go Craig Owens was a big mistake. Having to depart from a band is not so bad sometimes. When I found out Craig was working on other side projects I was a little bum but I didn't mind his solo career..until D.R.U.G.S!!
But going back to the time Chiodos reunited (with Craig Owens) I feel like there wasn't much hype. Like, ok "Who the hell is Chiodos again?" And I know they were probably aiming for the new/ younger audience. But I feel like it all fail. I mean if you look as of now on TH-cam, there last album "Devil" doesn't really have many views. This goes to the other early scene, post-hardcore, emo bands as well. Look at Senses Fail, AFI, Silverstein, Hawthorne Heights, Bayside, etc. They still make music but they don't get many views or are "into". A lot more audience are interested what's popular on there channel or post or whatever is on their feed 👉Twenty One Pilot, Neck Deep, Imagine Dragon....
Chiodos will always have a place in my heart. As you mentioned, I can too go on listening to their first album (all of the songs). It may be one of the best album! "All Nereids Beware & Lindsay quit lollygagging" are my favorite.
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thanks so much for watching and thank you for the kind words!! i definitely agree with you on the social media aspect. Chiodos definitely came right before that whole explosion of media. and when they came back with Craig the scene had already progressed so much and the kids were into different things, the whole metalcore/post hardcore wave was dying down at that point. but yeah thanks so much for watching :)
I remember playing the sims 2 and “Is it Progression if a cannibal uses a fork” was a song on the alt rock station in game. It blew my mind lol.
your 2008 camera really makes the channel. and i mean it i absulutely love it
I hope the band sees this, they will be so honored. Well done.
Kristina, don't know about the rest of the band but Im sure I can link
this video to guitarist Pat Mcmanaman (pronounced Mc-man-ah-mon). I think he is still tight with drummer Derrick frost
@@louofm1 Did you ever find out what Pat thought of this?
@@jamhawk75 I'm not sure but I sent it to his wife and she told me she would show him. I'll ask them next time I see them.... Maybe a couple of times a year
*NOTE: Sorry for the long as comment, I’ve just got a lot to say about Chiodos since they’re one of my favorite bands of that era and the album All’s Well That Ends Well is one of my favorite albums of all time. Seriously there’s not a single song on that album that isn’t great. Chiodos came into my life at a time when I really need them too. When those songs almost felt like they were written specifically for me and where I was at that time in my life, despite my being 13 years old in 2006. That album help me understand my emotions a little more and helped to understand that I’m wasnt the only one that felt the way I did, or thought the way I did. I’m a writer so I think of things in same way as Graig does in the those song. He also inspired my writing A LOT. Chiodos is an extremely underrated band, if you haven listened to them please do. You will not be disappointed.*
Chiodos was a great band and like you said, really had the potential to be a Legacy band for the Scene at that time. I found them on MySpace like all of us did due to the song “Baby, You Wouldn’t Last...” which along with “No Penguins in Alaska” became instant classics of the era. I still listen to The Heartless Control Everything (Which I personally believe might be a Kingdom Hearts reference due to the time in which it was release) and All’s Well That Ends Well.
Chiodos was a legitimately great band making great music where as a lot of bands from that era old got big because they had attractive guys, and sometimes girls, that dressed in the “Alternative” style, let be honest. There were plenty of bands like that. BOTDF, Brokencyde, Millionaires, Jeffrey Star, Death in December(if you’ve ever herd of them. They were decent band but just never quite could make it to the next level), BlessTheFall(ok band, but just weren’t quite there), and so on.
Chiodos on the other hand, much like MCR, were really making some of the best music to come from that scene. While MCR were able to break into the mainstream with “Helena” and “Ghost of You” appearing on MTV2, and the release of the Black Parade album. Chiodos never really did. They remind a sort of hidden gem to the wider public. Which is a shame because there’s bands be given credit for boosting the Scene that weren’t actually part of it but Chiodos never gets their credit expect from their fans or other that were involved in the genesis of that scene.
I think the reason for that, why they don’t get the recognition they deserve and where they tripped up, is because of Chiodos and Craig Owens splitting and going separate ways. I’m not exactly privy as to why this happened, but it came the worst time. They had just dropped the Bone Palace Ballet, with “The Undertaker’s Thirst...” and “Letters From Janelle”. I remember Bone Palace being such a highly anticipated album on MySpace. It’s all anyone I knew could talk about. We were just biting our nails to see what Chiodos was doing next. Then they dropped the music video for “Undertaker’s...” and shit blew up. Everyone was going crazy for it, and then of course they dropped the album and most everyone loved it. I was one of the people that though it was good but preferred All’s Well... to Bone Palace...
Then they split with Craig, and I remember just being devastated. I could imagine Chiodos without Craig’s voice. He WAS the voice of Chiodos, there’s no arguing that. When you think Chiodos you think Craig Owens belting out “SHE LOVES MEEEE, SHE LOVES ME NOOOOOOT...” There’s no replacing that. When Illuminotio drop with the new singer, it just wasn’t the same and I think a lot of other fans felt the same way. It wasn’t that we loved Craig Owens so we refused anyone else. It was because the sound was different they weren’t in a different direction. I’m pretty sure Craig wrote most of not all the lyrics for Chiodos, and their subject matter and metaphors for falling in love and falling out of love, feeling like you’re stranded on a beach with no one but yourself and a broken heart, letting go and moving on, all that and how Epic Chiodos sound was why I loved them.
No other band from that era sounded like them. It’s a little hard to explain their sound with words. Like yes they sounded like a Post-Hardcore screamo band but at the same time the intricacies of the music and each instrument woven into the composition with melodic guitar and piano, accented with an almost Classic style of music, all elevated and extenuated by Craig Owens voice. That’s how I’d describe it, a Classically influences Hardcore band. That’s the best way with words that I could describe it. Unfortunately, they made a bad career choice as a band by splitting with Craig. They had just arrived at they’re peak critically, commercially, and musically. We the fans who kinda fell away just felt it wasn’t the same anymore. It was almost like hearing a completely different band. It’s like when Alice In Chains got a new singer after Layne Staley died. It just wasn’t the same.
Replacing band members, especially as a band is reaching their peak and have already established their sound and style with 3 albums, is an extremely hard thing to do. They’ll never be able to find another person that can play and/or song, or write songs the same way as a previous member. Ever. It’s extremely difficult and very damaging to a band’s momentum musically and commercially, especially so when the member being replaced is the singer/songwriter of the band. That’s the voice of the band, both literally with sound, but also figuratively with subject matter, subtext, undertones, themes, and so on and that was Chiodos’ downfall.
Well I read the whole thing and- I'd have to say I completely agree with you!
@@miacruz1543 same! :D except I am 22 now so in 06 I was 8 lol but bands like Jamie's elsewhere soilwork a static lullaby Slipknot alesana enter shikari motionless In white this romantic tragedy all got me into metal music when I was in 5th grade thanks to my brother and his friends
Yeah, that’s long af lol I’ll come back to read bcuz I love chiodos
(i'm aware this video is over a year old but i've been watching all your videos lately lol)
personally, even as a longtime fan of chiodos, i loved brandon as the singer. he had an amazing vocal color to add to the band and i was bummed when he was gone. maybe it would've been cool if they had two singers to bounce off each other lyrically and in singing techniques. In whatever Craig offered in terms of singing, brandon really helped with the clarity needed for their songs sometimes. craig was great, don't get me wrong, but i think brandon getting added even as a second vocalist would've given them a bit more grounding in terms of their vocal sound.
i saw both chiodos and craig owens live years ago (warped and a small venue respectively), and he's a great performer, so i think he could've brought brandon out better in terms of stage presence back then. these bands all have major issues in helping each other out from within the band. it's always like they're out to sabotage themselves instead of actually progressing. they should've just taken a hiatus after the craig thing instead of releasing something with someone new. fucking wild now that we look back at this.
unpopular opinion: Brandon was their best vocalist and Illuminaudio was their best album
I still jam Illuminaudio to this day, I think "Brandon era" chiodos was very underrated. Especially with the instrumentals, I found a lot of very memorable things about it! Jason Hale was definitely a key part of that album/chiodos' sound (one reason I think I wasn't really feeling 'Devil')
I totally agree. The arrangements and overall songwriting in illuminaudio are undeniably great. Jason also rips on that album.
I agree, when Thomas Erak joined I thought devil was gonna be a banger of an album, but you could hear the lack of Jason's style, which made chiodos for me
You should do a video on Anthony Green and Circa Survive. Arguably one of the most influential figures of the warped tour scene.
Yeah.. because when I think of Warped, I think of Circa Survive
I was definitely in that minority of loving Illuminaudio. It's very nice to see the fan base come around and give the album the appreciation it deserves.
Craig was also on the second The Sound Of Animals Fighting album during the end of his first run with chiodos
great video man! Keep em coming!!!
Dance Gavin Dance or Alexisonfire's impact on Much Music and the Canadian Post-Hardcore scene.
Love the Underoath mention. Define the Great Line is one in my top 20 post hardcore albums of all time.
Dallas green will always be a prick in my opinion. Left to start that hipster bullshit.
So dude, I've watched like 20 of your videos now from the ciwwaf rise and fall to the bryannstars rise and fall, to the 3 part never shout never videos and I've been missing the 2007 scene, I was literally raised on blink and grew into the neon scene and I've missed it so much, but watching these videos about all these old bands and even discovering new old bands I can feel on has been sick as hell. Keep doing this. You have earned a sub which I dont do often.
at the time I really enjoyed Illuminaudio, there are some bangers on that album! not sure if I knew I was in the minority, but... just finding your channel now, love it!
Incoming comment essay so I apologize in advance!
First thing, you're about the only channel that talks about that specific time and place in the mid-late 00s - that far too brief period in my life when hopping on the city bus instead of the school bus after class and trucking down to the mall newsstand to get the new issue of AP was the big event of the month. Hearing you analyze and explore the careers of bands like Chiodos and TAI... and guys like Ryan Ross in such a well-researched and informed way instead of dismissing "emo kid shit" is SO refreshing. And I wanna thank you for it. This was a big part of a lot of people's lives and its good seeing it get a serious treatment for once.
Second thing, I'd be interested what you have to say about another band I feel were lost to that time/scene in posthardcore/metalcore - Atreyu.
I was there when they were at their peak - the 'Lead Sails Paper Anchor' and 'Congregation Of The Damned' albums were big successes, everyone from Chad-tastic dudebros to the skinniest emo kids knew their songs, they were on the Taste Of Chaos 2008 tour with Underoath and Avenged Sevenfold, and seemed so poised to be the next HUGE thing when they went on hiatus seemingly out of the blue. By the time they had a reunion and comback a couple years ago, they seemed outdated and younger bands who were inspired by them (like Ice Nine Kills) were beating them at their own sound, or fellow bands from the scene days had totally eclipsed them in fame (mostly Avenged Sevenfold). afaik they're still going, but nowhere near as relevant or famous as they once were.
Get on this late... I’ve been wicked thirsty for Chiodos (just got Bone Palace Ballet on vinyl.... cause I’m that guy). This is quenching me real good. Thanks man!
Thomas Erak making music with Craig Owens is a dream come true, but I expected it to sound like Chiodos meets Fall of Troy. Instead I feel like the production kept the guitar pretty down low.
Yes!! I thought the guitars would be more in the forefront, but wasn't the case
oh man I just got into chiodos!!!!! I was a toddler when they had their run. even then, I think ur small analysis on the differences between bone palace and alls well is spot on !!!! I love this video
I love the internet. Never did I ever expect to have a mini doc done on a "small" band from my youth. I was so happy to see you compare them to one of my other favorite bands mewithoutyou. Awesome content Cozy.
Chiodos' Alls well that ends well & The Killers' Hot Fuss. Best albums ever made. Also I am editing this comment after watching your full video because I have to tell you what a great video it was! I'm so late here, but awesome video!
Great video, I love chiodos. I couldn't listen to their third album at the time because they kicked out Craig Owens, lol. Owens definitely knew how to work a crowd and his live performances were sick.
Hey man! Great video, you made me realize that i never actually listened to “Devil” album. I will have to give it a listen. I will always have a memory of watching Chiodos play at warped tour and Craig standing on top of a crowd of people. So epic! You should make a video of Scary kids scaring kids 👍🏽😁
hell yeah thanks for watching!! good idea, i love scary kids :)
@@thecozyrep haven't checked it out either even though I've been a fan since the start. Didn't care for "Illumanado"
Thanks for making this video! My favorite album by CHIODOS is ILLUMINAUDIO.
Just had to drop what I was doing while listening to this video and say, man, you’re REALLY good at telling stories. Keep doing this. I could see this style of video getting huge. kudos.
One of my bands opened up for chiodos at the Outland ballroom in Springfield, MO during the devil era! They were fucking great I think Craig has some of the best screams I’ve ever heard live shit almost melted my face off. Sorry if I’m blowing up all your videos I just found your channel recently and I’m loving all the videos!
I'll never not call it "All's well that Bones" again. Great video, bro! subbed :)
CHIODOS are the first band I watched live and I have been chasing that high ever since. They opened warped tour in Denver and nothing to date can compare. Never seen such a big crowd so invested and hyped on the music since.
pretty cool that you're doin this man, it's definitely untapped.. these bands were definitely a huge part of my life at that time, it was just a vibe lol. minus the band tees and skinny jeans tbh
New fan exploring your old stuff. Commenting at the beggining the video. Over the last few months, you've dictated my next day's playlist. A1 bro. Love you *gentle cheek kiss* *unless that's not cool* *in which case* *impressed eyebrows*
Edit: Isles & Glaciers were AWESOME - too bad all the members had drug problems at the time (some still do) and wasn't Craig in Sounds Of Animals Fighting with the dudes from Rx Bandits and Anthony Green? - Glad someone made this video! They were one of my favorite bands of all time! I even LOVED Illuminaudio with Brandon (too bad they distorted a lot of his screams, apparently, by the time he joined Chiodos, he could no longer scream like he did with YR) so they used the distortion you hear. I have heard Brandon do the songs live and he uses the distortion as well and WAY less on that album. Unfortunately i was NOT a fan of Devil :-( I just could NOT find a song I liked... - Really wish they would've done more things with Thomas Erak (Fall Of Troy) when he joined on Guitar...would've loved to hear him do some vocals parts, etc....
Craig did indeed do some work with TSOAF. I think it’s genuinely one of the best musical projects he’s ever done.
I can't wait for the sound of animals fighting new album
They were one of my fav bands! I've been binging these vids for the nostalgia
As someone who played guitar in a post hardcore band between 2005-2010 I can tell you “alls well” was very influential amongst a lot of guitarists. But it wasn’t because the guitar parts were intricate. In fact it’s the opposite, pretty much every song revolves around the same chord being used up and down the heck, octaves. Having the backup guitarist doing the same chord but as a third. And then power chords or open D for the chorus or heavier parts. And the Jason Hales guitar tone was very controversial amongst guitarists. Some people thought it sounded really cheap, like a boss distortion pedal with “tone” maxed out and “bass” at 2. But that’s what makes the sound so unique and a lot of guitarists copied it sound.
There’s some really creative licks sprinkled in like the lick in the chorus for “All Nereids beware” or the intro of “words best friends”.
But it was obvious that Jason put a LOT more effort into the Bone palace album. Using a lot of neo classical scales and modes. I think this was sort of a reaction to people calling his writing “basic” in “alls well”. But it went a little too far in my opinion and lost a lot of what made Chiodos sound like Chiodos. Was very operatic and bombastic. When Chiodos original sound was like listening to your friends band, didn’t take itself too seriously but was endlessly catchy.
Jason Hale is in the warped tour guitarist hall of fame in my opinion. Every guitarist knew his name and how to play 3-4 of his songs.
Illuminaudio is when Chiodos hit GOAT status. first 2 albums fucking kill too but Illuminaudio is where shit got real. musically its the best work and the mix of the album is great.
Ruby Rodd same
Illuminaudio as a album is there best. It was the live shows that hurt it. I saw them with Brendan n it was great musically but stage presence lacked n alot of the fans hated on the new singer bad. N then craig rejoins refuses to play any songs off illuminaudio. Me personally I think craig only came back to ultimately break it up. I wish they never took him back .
Illuminaudio is technically their 5th album. But I agree. It was def their best written album.. BPB was great too. I can listen to devil.. and I have a hard time listening to every song on AWTEL.. I do like a lot of it tho!! But the 2 releases before that, THE BEST WAY TO RUIN YOUR LIFE, and THE HEARTLESS CONTROL EVERYTHING are absolutely terrible. No wonder everybody tries to forget lol
Dam I love 3 am and I would neber skip it hahahajah these videos are perfect if you're a little over 30 yrs old and was watching fuse back in the day.
Please make a video about Anthony Green!!! Love your videos and appreciate the work you put in 🙏🏽
Hey man I just found your channel and I’m loving your videos. I think you’ve got a lot of great insights! You’re the only other person I’ve ever seen mention the distortion effect on the unclean vocals on Illuminaudio.
I saw Chiodos in Myrtle Beach at the House of Blues I think in ‘06? Their singer wasn’t my favorite but the music and lyrics were solid. I’d love to see you cover how hardcore blew up in the early 2000s with the MySpace era.
I've lost a lot of shit over the years... but I still have my Chiodos "Alls well that ends well" album in the car. It really helps to reflect on how good we all had it.
I also saw Chiodos once on the 2013 Warped Tour! Got All's Well signed and shook Craig's hand, which meant a lot to me at the time.
Catching up on all your videos now! It's nice for someone to be making videos about scene bands FFS! They need more love.
Such a reoccurring theme man and it's such a drag that so many bands go through this. If you're able to do the gritty work and explain the unique scenarios of bands, that's fucking awesome. I'd love to hear similar coverage from out on so many bands like TBS, hot water music, and rise against.
Chiodos is tied with Falling in Reverse as my favorite band.
Speaking of, you should do a video on Falling in Reverse. They were one of the biggest bands in the warped scene and are still extremely relevant.
I'm two years late to the party but youre great! Wish I knew you in high school during my emo era, you're super charming. I can't wait to see this channel grow !
I toured on chiodos’ comeback tour. I got STORIES. Love the video bro!
17:50 I was at that reunion show in boston. Was a amazing show. It broke my heart when they started thermacare n it ended up being the only thing u talk about. But it was still a amazing song . Killer video .
theres no hardcore dancing in the living room is phenomenal. will forever be one of my favorite songs of all time
Couple things...
1. You pronounced my name correctly, or at-least the same way I do, 28:04
2. This is a fairly accurate take of what happened.
whoa, thank you for watching dude!! made my day!!! i hope you're doing well and thank you for the clarification on your last name!
@Devin Poole Yes?!?
You da man patt!! Chiodos is best band of all time !!
Alls well that ends well is one of those albums that I could listen from start to finish and just LOVE IT every single minute
ALSO any Michigan scene kids remember seeing Craig Owens at MySpace cafe?
My first time crowdsurfing was to chiodos I’m emotional
Been a fan since the start RIP Chiodos one of the bends bands that ever did it in that scene
Need a video on The Used bro please
wooo hoooo julian started his own youtube channel!! 🐣
Jason hale is super underrated and I also think Bradley bell was a huge component to the band. I also always thought it was an odd choice that they distorted brendans screams. really loving your channel man! Chiodos was one of my favorites back in highschool
I don't mean to come off as a cynic but I think the only real "wrong" thing Chiodos did was not get into any beef with Craig Owens once he left. It may just be that I'm coming off your Jonny Craig documentary and I'm remembering Jon Mess talking about how Jonny's controversies are marketable to the point where he said "if somebody wants to beat up Jonny after a show I'll be behind a bush with a camcorder in my hand ready to sell the footage" but part of me thinks the respectful nature of not getting into ANY reason for why they kicked Craig out is part of what hampered their longevity.
I'm envisioning an alternate timeline where they got into drama and flung shit and it'd be a back and forth between them that keeps buzz for them both Chiodos and Craig alive. I'm imagining they'd have this narrative of the band wanting to do more dark and progressive music and Craig would be painted as the "sellout" who got more interested in the fame of it all. They could paint Illuminaudio as like "the album they REALLY wanted to put out" and there'd be proper stakes behind its quality as a record instead of "man who's the guy they got to replace Craig?" which was let's be real most of the discourse surrounding the album at the time. Think about it though! There's potential for a Squash the Beef style tour with D.R.U.G.S and Chiodos headlining, there's the drama that a proper beef has that ultimately serves to market for both bands, and then eventually when Devil comes out there'd be a resolution of sorts of "well it looks like they don't hate each other after all! :) " It ultimately wouldn't change the fact that Devil is kind of mediocre buuut that's a rant for another time!
The Undertaker's Thirst For Revenge is Unquenchable. (The Final Battle)
nuff said
Ok, so as many times as I've asked you to do a video about SAOSIN (their split with Anthony, enter Cove Reber, 2 albums with Cove, kick out Cove, mess around with different singers including Tillian and then The Return of Anthony Green)...& You've not done one yet, I just chalked it up to maybe you didn't know that much about it, or were unaware of how big of a deal it was at the time, when AG left, and how divided fans were about Cove..,......but after watching THIS video, YOU TOTALLY *DO* GET IT!!!!!!! SO C'MON COZY!!! I ASK AGAIN! PLEASE MAKE A SAOSIN VIDEO!!¡!¡
There's so much content you can get into with AG leaving Saosin and making Circa Ⴟ Survive and then Solo albums and tons of subsequent bands in the years since......and now him being back in Saosin, and NOW COVE IS BACK WITH A BRAND NEW BAND **DEAD AMERICAN ‼️** (which rules!, In my opinion!) So, yeah, I love this channel! And please make a kickass Saosin vid. Cheers 🥂
I met them in 2004 when they were on tour with Portugal the man and they came to Vegas and we all kicked it. Great guys. I think Craig got kind of a big head, I mean it is very easy to happen, and easy to point out when on the outside of it. They’re great dudes and Craig’s new stuff is pretty cool
I love your videos! Admittedly I never got into 'scene' bands ( i HATED Chiodos and DGD but still love Brand new [despite everything] even at 32) but I love hearing your insights - great passion, it really helps me to understand why people were so into this and related genres (also I hope this comment isn't low key insulting lol)
Illuminaudio was amazing at release, but it probably would have been a mainstream breakthrough if Craig were on it. The live "Thermacare" version always made it super fun to see them after the reunion
The riff at the beginning took me back and gave me a good chuckle. 😄
Cozy representative you my friend are a national treasure. Keep up the good work!!!
You dropped an entire chapter of their career as the chiodos brothers
Oh my god. YOUR CHANNEL HITS ME JUST RIGHT YOU HAVE NO IDEA. ALSO GREAT GUITAR AND VIDEO YESSSSS CHIODOS
Dude your speaking of first album is spot on haven’t finished video but what you said about that album I say all the time bro great content
You compared the replacement of Craig with when Cove took over for Anthony in Chiodos. The main difference is, Saosin by far had their biggest hits with Cove. Their self titled album was huge and a lot of people found them on that album and didn’t even realize Cove was a replacement.
I think Coves Saosin was a force to be reckoned with song writing wise. Very few have had the vocal melody writing chops he had
Yeah the only real comparison between the two bands is they both replaced their High Tenor singer with a mid-tenor singer. The fact is Saosin only had essentially 8 or 9 songs with Anthony Green singing the lead vocals by the time Cove joined the band, while Chiodos had two great albums with a very charismatic and skilled frontman when he was replaced.
Finally someone giving Cove the respect he deserves 🔥 Also frok what I see the international fans prefer Cove too.
@@gelatinpowder1137 - I have as much respect for him as I do Anthony Green. I think both were far more skilled than the instrumentalists in Saosin. Except for their drummer, everybody else was pretty average. Cove seriously elevated their music. And his live vocals are INSANE. The live version of “I can Tell” is out of this world
I loved Illuminaudio at the time and still do, it’s weird without Craig but Brandon I always thought did a great job
Correction, first album was the heartless control everything 2003 which had a song called vacation to hell that the band hated but if you begged they would play live
I needed this video.. That intro was epic and impressive as fuck
I am here for these videos! Seriously, thank you so much!
I don't know how I stumbled upon your channel. But I just watched your Bryan Stars video and enjoyed it. Im gonna binge watch all of your videos. I fucking love Chiodos and D.R.U.G.S. You sir have gained a new subscriber.
For some reason the only Chiodos song I knew before watching this was 3AM (off Devil). But you inspired me to listen to more of their stuff, and as a huge Pierce the Veil fan (they’re my favorite band), I’m hearing so many similarities and appreciating what Chiodos contributed to the scene. I discovered your channel through your BryanStars video and love your content! Keep up the great work 👍🏼
Craig was in a band with vic and i think mike was in it too?
strawberry caramel yes Isles & Glaciers! Wish they still put out new music
Clicked right away. I'm still grieving the loss. Great vid, ty 👏
Unpopular opinion: Illuminaudio is one of my favorite albums of all time; I've listened to it straight through at least 80 times, probably more than I have All's Well and BPB:GC. Was I missing Craig? Absofuckinglutely. But not at all b/c Brandon was lacking something. Brandon's *recorded* voice had a quality to it that brought minor chords in that depth of soul grabbing way and I fell hard for what he was bringing to the table. I listen to his solo shit as Maskarade all the time. With that, the two things I regret most in life are not seeing Fear Before the March of Flames live, (I was strung out at the time), and not seeing Chiodos live with Brandon (that one I can't blame myself for tho, pretty sure they only played 3 shows cuz Brandon's voice).
Still, I was thrilled about Craig's return and Thomas Erak, omg - what a fucking cherry on top! So, I was thrilled w/ Devil by using a lens of gratitude for anything called Chiodos/open-mindedness to change, but completely agree with it featuring forced lyrics, lack of cohesion, song structure change for worse, lack of symphonic elements, etc. It totally felt like a hybrid album of Chiodos and D.R.U.G.S. w/ a sprinkle of the Fall of Troy.
Can you please do a vid like this on Fear Before? 🙏
P.s. that seven years jump cut 🤣
Last I knew, Jason Hale moved back to Texas and got married...but that was over 10 years ago and I never kept in touch. I would stop by his place and say hi to him when he wasn't on tour with Chiodos, back in 2007-2009. I first saw the "Chiodos Bros" in late 2001- early 2002 at the Flint Local 432 and subsequently went, every time they were in town, partly because they had this insane energy (that a lot of local bands from the mid michigan area had) and because a girl I liked, liked them.
If we're talking about the most distinctive elements of early Chiodos, "all's well..." era one can't overlook Bradley C Bell's contributions to the band's overall sound. If you go back and listen to the Chiodos Bros stuff or even All's well... You'll hear it. Nearly every song has a nice piano part or quirky, sporadic piano part. Jason Hale added that extra bit that took them from a posthardcore band to a metal infused post hardcore scene band - I really liked his playing, especially on Bone Palace Ballet.
The unreleased King 810 album with Jason Hale, Anachronism, is like one of my favorite albums and Hale's addition to that band was something that could have taken them towards a different trajectory - had he stayed with them. I saw them play, in 2008, at a house show and it was one of the few times I saw them with Hale (as he was frequently on tour for Bone Palace Ballet , during that same period) and subsequently, it was one the few times they played Dreamer (maybe it was "III", I don't remember) and Untitled, 2 songs that employed delay effects throughout the song, to create an atmosphere. Jason's power adapter broke for his delay pedal but I came through with 1 because that's how I roll. Was a powerful show, paint was spilled on the floor...it was everywhere.
Ahh memories....I've got a lot and a vivid memory. No time machine to go back and relive it all, though, but the music remains.
Three years after seeing this I still can't get over "All's Well That Bones Well"
Your videos have had me up late all night. Great work dude and keep it up!
Jason was great, however Bradley and Craig literally wrote the majority of Alls well that ends well. IMO Chiodos, was always THE Chiodos bros of Brad and Craig. I miss the old hall shows in Mi
Your doing a great job bro keep the videos coming man...
I didnt think I was gonna get through the whole video but boy I was wrong..
If you are really new to video making I must admit I'm impressed...
Did you have to do a few retakes?
Thank you once again bud for the video
Gotta love Chiodos though ❤
I listen to them daily I toured their parks and devastation tour at LC pavilion and dude they were just incredible live Craig can hit the highs and his screams are legit. Such an amazing stage prescense dude. WISH they would come here again
I missed Chiodos at the 2013 Warped Tour. I just totally spaced it and didn't realize they were playing at 2 until around 4. They were one of the main bands I wanted to see that year. I'll never get over that...
"hmm how can I end this video with a chiodos related phrase? 🤔🤔"
Bud
Buddy
All's well that ends well
I just found your channel like an hour ago, good shit man! I was like in middle school and high school in there era and I love videos like this! Not all try hardy and trying to prove something lmao. Subscribed
All's Well That Ends Well slaps front to back. Still to this day. Classic.