Seems to be one of the only dealerships that are performance focused, and not showing only Screamin Eagle parts. Great information you guys keep showing us with the M8!
Moonshine Harley I was just about to look into a stage 4 for my 117cvo. This just stopped me in my tracks. Can you let me now the best setup to wake that motor up? Was going to do a d&d 2 into 1 with a thundermax tuner. My dealer won’t do any thing that’s non SE.
Really wish these videos and this information had been around two years again when I bought my RG. I had the 114 stage IV upgrade done to my 107 day one so it would be under warranty. The bike definitely runs stronger than a stock 107 but never gave me that pull and torque I was expecting. I don’t ride hard and fast like I did 25 to 30 years ago. We usually are two up and riding distance but I still like to have that quick passing power and not all in the upper RPM range. I’m thinking of a cam change and new tuner to get more of what I wanted. Thanks for the valuable info Moonshine H-D.
@Rick Alvaro Do you still have this bike and same setup or changed it? How did the top end feel after putting some miles on it? Did it leave you wanting more after getting used to it??
It's good to know you guys are so confident in the S&S oil pump. I plan on getting the whole S&S camchest for longevity and durability. Knowing you guys really like it makes me less doubtful about it's potential to safe guard the M8 engine.
I wish I had know about you guys before I had my 2017 RG Spl built with a stage 4 114 kit from another dealership. Yes it runs stronger than the 107 it started life as but it doesn’t have the “ass” I thought it would. Thinking seriously about the changes you just made to this bike, and doing the same to mine. May have to make the run from SC to see you guys. Nice work, like others have stated I watch all of your videos and really enjoy the content.
Im excited to see the hp, to see how the over all gains compare to my 2019 Ultra Limited 114ci with Jim's (Moorseville NC)VTwin Performance stage 2 set up at. 116hp (115.89hp) and 134tq.. looks like you got 2 tq more.. so I'm interested to see the hp.. and I'm running Rinehart true dual headers into the Rinehart 4.5 moto pipes.. with Rinehart cold air intake and power vision tune... if i ran a 2 into 1 i would imagine the power and torque would go up a few... So did his bike have a larger throttle body installed? I see he has the 2 into 1 exhaust? I'm telling you guys, you REALLY need to test the Jim's VTwin Performance cam "MaxCell 821B".. I truly believe it WILL out perform the Zippers cam with that same set up... ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO BY THE WAY
just wanted to let you guys know my son and i watch all your videos and enjoy them . we live in jacksonville , florida and took a road trip to your dealership sunday 5/26/19 on our roadglide specials bought a few things and saw jamie wanted to show him all the mods i made to my sons 18 roadglide unfortunately he was to busy to talk but anyways nice dealership
Man I really wish I got to spend some time with you guys. Next time call me at the shop so I can carve some time out of for you. Sincerely, Jamie Lima.
Yes, all well and good. You can make any engine stronger somehow. The question is whether the remaining parts that are not renewed can withstand it. Durability is the decisive factor. The engine of a Harley is not designed for much more power. Sooner or later, something will break. Then the customer is faced with a lot of damage. Now comes the question: Were a few hp or NM worth it? I think who necessarily wants to have a lot of power in a motorcycle, can find enough choice at other manufacturers, at lower prices.
you can relax, the 468 is not a crazy cam.. people have well over 60k miles with these cams and stock parts.. harley under cams their bikes on purpose in order to sell stage upgrades.
You don’t create torque with gearing, you “multiply” it...! Lower numerical ratio equals larger multiplier equals more torque at the rear tire. Gearing should be the first modification before any engine work because the factory geared them up for emissions purposes to please the EPA. Shops won’t tell you this because they make way more money off engine parts and labor and dyno tuning time.....at the end of the day all these Harleys of the last 20+ years need a different cam so they actually sound like a Harley should....so gearing and a cam plus tune....
Harley stage kits are not good. Having a 124 build done on mine since my stage 3 114 cylinders were out of round and pretty much cooked the pistons. Rode it 8500 miles with the HD tuner with horrible spark knock. Finally decided to get it tuned with a Power Vision and still couldn’t get rid of the spark knock. Warranty voided because of the power vision. To much build up on the pistons from the blow by.
I dont plan on going stage 4 but wanted little more pep. Red shift were my 1st choice. exhaust not sure on was just going to go with slash cut S & S or maybe the full S & S superstreet for my 2020 FXBB. I don't want anything loud, just better than stock. it's true the screaming eagle won't give the best tune but it's the only game in town if I want to keep the warranty. I my case would the stage tune get me in the ball part then the wideband tuners round it out?
I have a 2018 107RG.What tuner do you guys like? I want a dyno tune, not a auto tune. I couldnt hear what tuner u guys use. I planing on doing a cam (thinking of red shift 468) and oil pump. You guys like the s&s oil pump over the fueling? I found a bassni 2-1 full length on the marketplace for a hell of a deal.
I have a 2018 HD Heritage Classic 114 w/ D&D 2-into-1 Fat Cat Exhause, SE Ventilator Air kit and a TTS-100 Cam... Looking to upgrade to a full S&S 128 Big Bore Kit with the 550 gear driven cam, cam plate and oil pump, high-lift valve springs and maybe the HPI 62mm throttle body... any thoughts on these parts? I'm looking for max low-end torque... anything I'm missing... S&S says I should be able to use my stock heads with this setup, but not sure if I should upgrade those as well... Not sure what the final compression #'s will be (maybe 11:1?) but welcome any feedback.
Joshua Barker You’ll love the 128 but the 550 cam isn’t going to give you the most possible torque. Stock heads will work in this set up but our ported heads with larger valves would increase the overall numbers especially paired with the HPI throttle body. The 124/128 motors are picky on exhaust and we have built a lot of them and have finally narrowed down correct exhaust choices that work great. We team up with some of our favorite company’s to supply us with custom pipe setups for these larger motors. If you’re still putting this together please call or email me Jamie Lima at the shop, 615-771-7775 Jamie@moonshineharley.com
I started with a 114 stage 4 on a 2017 road glide special, spun the main causing catastrophic failure. Now I have a 128 set up from Reveloution performance, with a few other goodies, installed by Utica Harley Davidson. Some S&S stuff and a MJK chain drive with axle adjusters. Pulling about 160tq on the dyno! Fortunately, unlike most dealerships, Utica Harley Davidson will build using other than SE. I'd hate to have to drive to Texas! Using a D&D fatcat by the way.
Question, just put a S & S 124 in my bike w/the 640? cam that came in it. Would like to get a different cam for it ( I don't need a top end cam). The installer said go with the 585 cam, does anyone think different?
Where’s Moonshine & how much would this upgrade cost, just switching out oil pump & doing 468 cam, with the obvious re-map/tune?? Currently have stage 2 2019 Street Glide Special
Michael Smith please email us your phone number to horsepower@moonshineharley.com and we’ll reach out and go over all the options. Or you can call the shop at 615-274-4170 and ask for Aaron or Jamie. We in in Franklin, Tn which is 10 minutes from Nashville.
Love this video! Can someone confirm to me what the torque is at below 2000rpm compared to stock?? Say at 1600-1800? I am looking at going from stage 1 to stage 2 with 468 cam. I just don't see the point in doing it if the 468 does not yield much higher torque than stock at the low rpms. And secondly, explain to me if the less throttle means less fuel consumption? So in essence, the better and more efficient mechanics from the cam and valve timings, we´re seeing more torque per less fuel? Correct?
I can tell you from experience, the RS468 cam has more torque below 2000 rpm than stock; however, it is a bit “choppy” under low load, light throttle position conditions.
You think Y'all can get that much tq. Out of a older bike....2004 HD heritage....or would it be more appropriate to just get a new HD M8 motorcycle ?.....and go from there....!
RyaN Poe You have more options with the M8 motor. Let us know if you’re interested in getting a new bike with some real HP! We have guys fly in from all over the country to take delivery of there newly built Harley and we warranty almost all of our motor builds since we’ll be flagging your warranty... most likely. If you’d like to go over some options please call me Jamie Lima, Owner of Moonshine Harley-Davidson and I’ll personally assist you...615-771-7775 or jamie@moonshineharley.com
John Doe we prefer Power Vision as it is limitless and it’s priced well below the ThunderMax. With that being said we also ALWAYS dyno tune everything!!! If you can’t have us or someone reputable tune it than the wide band O2 set up from ThunderMax would be the next choice. We do run ThunderMax when we build super charged or turbo motors due to the values changing under boost.
@@NoName-vz1ob I'm curious to know what would have been the difference on this bike if you'd just switched the tuner? And what are your thoughts on using a TTS tuner over the Power Vision tuner?
@@jasoningle43 TTS is a very good tuning product. I prefer the Powervision interface over TTS and I personally feel the VCI "box" that is the TTS is antiquated. A license from Powervision can be used on any PV programmer.
@@NoName-vz1ob thank you for responding. So what about PV over TTS tuner is more superior? In layman's terms. I know this is difficult to answer to 100% because it's hypothetical and you haven't seen my motorcycle personally but, I have a 2017 Ultra limited with M8 107 with a HD stage 3, a D&D 2into1 Fatcat, and TTS tuner. 100% 5th gear pulls on a dynojet winpep7 dyno turned 112HP, 115TQ..A year later and 20,000 miles later I did another dyno run at same dealership, same dyno, almost identical temperature, humidity, conditions and I lost 5% on both. Now I'm at 110HP & 110TQ. The TTS program was meticulously gone through when 1st installed but I'm not sure how well it was actually programmed. I'm asking or curious to know if just changing tuners from TTS to Power Vision would gain HP/TQ ?
I'm doing this same swap this Tuesday but going from SE full exhaust to D&D billet cat 2 into 1. Current numbers are 113 torque and 119 HP with street tuner and SE auto-tuner. 2017 SGS. This guys HP only 95 is got to be a bad tune.
Check into the Tim's VTwin Performance Maxcell 821B cam 1st!!! He is located in North Carolina. He has been building SUCCESSFUL race engines for Harleys for a long time. I would say your 119hp is far more suspicious out of a screaming eagle anything to be honest.
Johnny Turbo I totally agree. I'd like to see Moonshine HD do a wide open baseline throttle prior to doing his work. I'm highly skeptical of his claim of 119HP and 113TQ especially with a SE restrictive header and SE tuner.
@@richardedwin5980 Y'all aren't very well informed then. My numbers are pretty common with the SE stage IV kit when combined with the SE full exhaust. I have the dyno sheet to prove it.
jetag93 I'm way more informed than you think and have not yet seen those numbers out of a Stage 4 build using the SE full system on a Street Glide. The SE full exhaust is a total waste of money. It still has a cat in it and is not that great of a header. The other thing is that those numbers, if true numbers, are in such a high RPM range (4000RPM & above) that they are ineffective unless you ride at that range everywhere you go every single time you ride. Every single Dyno is going to give you a different number. Let's see the numbers at the rear wheel. I have a good friend with a Stage 4 build on a 2018 CVO Street Glide with a Power Vision Tuner and Vance & Hines a Power Duals with the V&H 4.5" HO muffler and he doesn't have those numbers. And his was built by one of the best around.
Dude wtf Stage 4 107-114 and less than 100hp? I have a 107 with 468 cam, catless head pipes , basic ass intake (the Arlen ness big sucker) And dyno tune on powevision.. And makes 105/115 On a fuckin stock 107 except for the stage 2 Man.. I seen ppl get Harley stahe 3 and 4 And with catted headers and I’m like WHAT ?
There are quite a few factors that go into it. We don't have "packages" really. We tailor the components to what our customers want to achieve. If you are going to have a local speed shop do it I would go with their recommendations.
I really don't know if you are reading this ; but the issue of mitigating high heat in air-cooled motors ; like the 103 and Mil-8 motors ; already been long resolved by using ceramic coating on tops of pistons, inside the heads, and inside exhaust header. All this water / oil head coolings for 103 , 107, 114 CI motors maybe not required ; short of just running a standard oil cooler for the entire motor. Just another example this motor company using bad engineering to solve simple problems..... There are others using this on many, many different air cooled platforms, with great success...... But no, HD has to do it the complicated expensive way.......People already just so fed up with this level of incompetence, only matter of time when people no longer hooked on riding on a Harley............... Does not matter ... Harley stock been in a steep nose dive last 7 years. People are fed up pouring money into these engines which are designed to fail. People not paying 20 to 30 thousand dollars for new bikes... I predict this company will be bankrupt inside of 5 years from now..... We have access to company balance sheets, showing the company way over extended on existing loans and credit to the tune of almost 1500 million dollars. This motor company not have that kind of cash to pay back..........Is only a matter of time now, before banks start calling these notes back over-due for payment............
Im sure everyone knows you can get much better power numbers out of a HD. The question is at what cost money wise, reliability, longevity, & a lot more heat from an already hot engine. For the perpetually well off these are maybe a non issue. But a real biker who needs his sled every day? Don't do it.
We have customers racking up 30,000 plus a year on these setups. I guess they aren't real bikers because they have these setups in your book??? We also warranty these setups for them.
@@MoonshineHarley Good to hear. Would you honestly state how many of your customers with this set up have serious problems because of this set up vs how many have no problems?
Seems to be one of the only dealerships that are performance focused, and not showing only Screamin Eagle parts. Great information you guys keep showing us with the M8!
Shaun DuVall thank you!!!
Moonshine Harley I was just about to look into a stage 4 for my 117cvo. This just stopped me in my tracks. Can you let me now the best setup to wake that motor up? Was going to do a d&d 2 into 1 with a thundermax tuner. My dealer won’t do any thing that’s non SE.
Angel Ortiz looks like our dealerships suck if all they wanna do is screaming eagle hd parts but moonshine got all we need
@@aortiz1105 I want the info please
Really wish these videos and this information had been around two years again when I bought my RG. I had the 114 stage IV upgrade done to my 107 day one so it would be under warranty. The bike definitely runs stronger than a stock 107 but never gave me that pull and torque I was expecting. I don’t ride hard and fast like I did 25 to 30 years ago. We usually are two up and riding distance but I still like to have that quick passing power and not all in the upper RPM range. I’m thinking of a cam change and new tuner to get more of what I wanted.
Thanks for the valuable info Moonshine H-D.
Big shout out to Moonshine HD for this cam change. Huge difference in TQ...rolling throttle on at 2500 rpm and having it pull like no tomorrow.
You the man Rick! Stop by in anytime!
@Rick Alvaro Do you still have this bike and same setup or changed it? How did the top end feel after putting some miles on it? Did it leave you wanting more after getting used to it??
So with a stage 3 kit from H-D I would have to change heads & pistons, all this HP & TQ comes with just a cam change, is that right?
What was your setup for your stage 2 with the Redshift 468 ? Intake 64 biggest air filter ? Do you change your injecteurs ?
It's good to know you guys are so confident in the S&S oil pump. I plan on getting the whole S&S camchest for longevity and durability.
Knowing you guys really like it makes me less doubtful about it's potential to safe guard the M8 engine.
Awesome torque numbers!
Smashing people's expectations without borders! Very cool men!
I wish I had know about you guys before I had my 2017 RG Spl built with a stage 4 114 kit from another dealership. Yes it runs stronger than the 107 it started life as but it doesn’t have the “ass” I thought it would.
Thinking seriously about the changes you just made to this bike, and doing the same to mine. May have to make the run from SC to see you guys.
Nice work, like others have stated I watch all of your videos and really enjoy the content.
Im excited to see the hp, to see how the over all gains compare to my 2019 Ultra Limited 114ci with Jim's (Moorseville NC)VTwin Performance stage 2 set up at. 116hp (115.89hp) and 134tq.. looks like you got 2 tq more.. so I'm interested to see the hp.. and I'm running Rinehart true dual headers into the Rinehart 4.5 moto pipes.. with Rinehart cold air intake and power vision tune... if i ran a 2 into 1 i would imagine the power and torque would go up a few...
So did his bike have a larger throttle body installed? I see he has the 2 into 1 exhaust?
I'm telling you guys, you REALLY need to test the Jim's VTwin Performance cam "MaxCell 821B".. I truly believe it WILL out perform the Zippers cam with that same set up...
ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO BY THE WAY
just wanted to let you guys know my son and i watch all your videos and enjoy them . we live in jacksonville , florida and took a road trip to your dealership sunday 5/26/19 on our roadglide specials bought a few things and saw jamie wanted to show him all the mods i made to my sons 18 roadglide unfortunately he was to busy to talk but anyways nice dealership
richard roskoski glad you guys made the trip! We appreciate that!
Man I really wish I got to spend some time with you guys. Next time call me at the shop so I can carve some time out of for you. Sincerely, Jamie Lima.
Wow awesome Tq.
Yes, all well and good. You can make any engine stronger somehow.
The question is whether the remaining parts that are not renewed can withstand it.
Durability is the decisive factor.
The engine of a Harley is not designed for much more power.
Sooner or later, something will break.
Then the customer is faced with a lot of damage. Now comes the question: Were a few hp or NM worth it?
I think who necessarily wants to have a lot of power in a motorcycle, can find enough choice at other manufacturers, at lower prices.
you can relax, the 468 is not a crazy cam.. people have well over 60k miles with these cams and stock parts.. harley under cams their bikes on purpose in order to sell stage upgrades.
Nice build guys, play with some gearing as it’s a nice quick way to create tq. Don’t you guys find the final drive gearing on these bikes low??
1st is too low in my opinion
You don’t create torque with gearing, you “multiply” it...! Lower numerical ratio equals larger multiplier equals more torque at the rear tire. Gearing should be the first modification before any engine work because the factory geared them up for emissions purposes to please the EPA. Shops won’t tell you this because they make way more money off engine parts and labor and dyno tuning time.....at the end of the day all these Harleys of the last 20+ years need a different cam so they actually sound like a Harley should....so gearing and a cam plus tune....
I did similar but went with the 472. Got 120/130
SimmonAU awesome! The 472 just moves the curve a little farther down the RPM range.
Yes,but where does the max tq. Come in @,& what Rpm...?
@@rp75heavy 3.5k on mine
Why zippers or fueling hasn't come out with a cam chain tensioner for m8 is beyond me.
What do you guys suggest?
That’s where my street glide is going
How can a guy not love you guys, asked if your closed on Monday?? Hell no we are partying all memorial weekend, beers are cold food is great lol 👍👍
Moonshine Harley Style!!!
Love my Red Shift 468
PS and D&D exhaust
Yup.
107.
Makin 105/115
With a bolt in cam
Exhaust
Tune
Harley stage kits are not good. Having a 124 build done on mine since my stage 3 114 cylinders were out of round and pretty much cooked the pistons. Rode it 8500 miles with the HD tuner with horrible spark knock. Finally decided to get it tuned with a Power Vision and still couldn’t get rid of the spark knock. Warranty voided because of the power vision. To much build up on the pistons from the blow by.
We're you running aftermarket exhaust with the SE setup?
M.V.O _Motorfast yes Vance and Hines Pro Pipe
I dont plan on going stage 4 but wanted little more pep. Red shift were my 1st choice. exhaust not sure on was just going to go with slash cut S & S or maybe the full S & S superstreet for my 2020 FXBB. I don't want anything loud, just better than stock. it's true the screaming eagle won't give the best tune but it's the only game in town if I want to keep the warranty. I my case would the stage tune get me in the ball part then the wideband tuners round it out?
Man cant wait to make the trip!
Awesome videos an keep them coming 👍👍👍👍 How much is the red shift 468 cam an to install it ??
@@davidblagg2576 thank you so much for the info 👍
I luv my s&s 475 getting ready to put my 128 kit in
I have a 2018 107RG.What tuner do you guys like? I want a dyno tune, not a auto tune. I couldnt hear what tuner u guys use. I planing on doing a cam (thinking of red shift 468) and oil pump. You guys like the s&s oil pump over the fueling? I found a bassni 2-1 full length on the marketplace for a hell of a deal.
How does using anything other than harley parts affect the warranty?
Voids it. Obviously.
It’ll void Harley’s warranty but sometimes the dealership will warranty it “in house”.
I have a 2018 HD Heritage Classic 114 w/ D&D 2-into-1 Fat Cat Exhause, SE Ventilator Air kit and a TTS-100 Cam... Looking to upgrade to a full S&S 128 Big Bore Kit with the 550 gear driven cam, cam plate and oil pump, high-lift valve springs and maybe the HPI 62mm throttle body... any thoughts on these parts? I'm looking for max low-end torque... anything I'm missing... S&S says I should be able to use my stock heads with this setup, but not sure if I should upgrade those as well... Not sure what the final compression #'s will be (maybe 11:1?) but welcome any feedback.
Joshua Barker You’ll love the 128 but the 550 cam isn’t going to give you the most possible torque. Stock heads will work in this set up but our ported heads with larger valves would increase the overall numbers especially paired with the HPI throttle body. The 124/128 motors are picky on exhaust and we have built a lot of them and have finally narrowed down correct exhaust choices that work great. We team up with some of our favorite company’s to supply us with custom pipe setups for these larger motors. If you’re still putting this together please call or email me Jamie Lima at the shop, 615-771-7775 Jamie@moonshineharley.com
I started with a 114 stage 4 on a 2017 road glide special, spun the main causing catastrophic failure. Now I have a 128 set up from Reveloution performance, with a few other goodies, installed by Utica Harley Davidson. Some S&S stuff and a MJK chain drive with axle adjusters. Pulling about 160tq on the dyno! Fortunately, unlike most dealerships, Utica Harley Davidson will build using other than SE. I'd hate to have to drive to Texas! Using a D&D fatcat by the way.
Would you recommend this cam for the S&S 124 Power Package?
It is a bit small for that much displacement. The power pack comes with a 550 cam I think.
M.V.O _Motorfast Zippers sells this cam with their 124 sleeper kit.
I know there an older motor but there is a ton of 103’s out there. Like tuner, exhaust and cam.
We will be doing some of those.
Hey quick question, how do y’all do for “auto tuning” I ride year round in Texas so like 115 to 15 degrees. If it’s a solid tune does it not matter?
If it is tuned well the ECM tune will operate under almost any weather temperature or altitude changes.
Question, just put a S & S 124 in my bike w/the 640? cam that came in it. Would like to get a different cam for it ( I don't need a top end cam). The installer said go with the 585 cam, does anyone think different?
Where’s Moonshine & how much would this upgrade cost, just switching out oil pump & doing 468 cam, with the obvious re-map/tune?? Currently have stage 2 2019 Street Glide Special
Michael Smith please email us your phone number to horsepower@moonshineharley.com and we’ll reach out and go over all the options. Or you can call the shop at 615-274-4170 and ask for Aaron or Jamie.
We in in Franklin, Tn which is 10 minutes from Nashville.
They quoted me $8500 to install a S&S kit that cost $2300....had to say no.thsnks
So how is this cam 468 in a 114 with only the s&s plate and pump with the 2 in 2 vanes and hines ??? or is more needed ?
I have a 468 with pump/plate/Rinehart slimline/heavy breather intake and Thundermax tuner. Pretty awesome I’m my 2019 - 114 Road Glide Special
Love this video!
Can someone confirm to me what the torque is at below 2000rpm compared to stock?? Say at 1600-1800?
I am looking at going from stage 1 to stage 2 with 468 cam. I just don't see the point in doing it if the 468 does not yield much higher torque than stock at the low rpms.
And secondly, explain to me if the less throttle means less fuel consumption? So in essence, the better and more efficient mechanics from the cam and valve timings, we´re seeing more torque per less fuel? Correct?
Go to zippers website im sure they have a comparison dyno. If not traveling tall on youtube has one that zippers built
I can tell you from experience, the RS468 cam has more torque below 2000 rpm than stock; however, it is a bit “choppy” under low load, light throttle position conditions.
What is the shops rate per hour on these builds I would like to do a 124 on my 17 road glide 107 only have about 5k miles on my hog at this point
I need this on my 2017 ultra please can u help me out
That Harley dealership should be embarrassed. A stage 4 that does 112 torque? Isn't that like 4 pounds off from stock. What bullshit is that?
You think Y'all can get that much tq. Out of a older bike....2004 HD heritage....or would it be more appropriate to just get a new HD M8 motorcycle ?.....and go from there....!
RyaN Poe You have more options with the M8 motor. Let us know if you’re interested in getting a new bike with some real HP! We have guys fly in from all over the country to take delivery of there newly built Harley and we warranty almost all of our motor builds since we’ll be flagging your warranty... most likely. If you’d like to go over some options please call me Jamie Lima, Owner of Moonshine Harley-Davidson and I’ll personally assist you...615-771-7775 or jamie@moonshineharley.com
@@jamielima5315 , Okay,thx... for taking the time to reply ✌️
Can you guys dyno s trike?
Not yet.
Hey what do you guys think about the thundermax tuners?
John Doe we prefer Power Vision as it is limitless and it’s priced well below the ThunderMax. With that being said we also ALWAYS dyno tune everything!!! If you can’t have
us or someone reputable tune it than the wide band O2 set up from ThunderMax would be the next choice. We do run ThunderMax when we build super charged or turbo motors due to the values changing under boost.
@@davidblagg2576 There are tuning parameters the Thunder Max does not actively display/monitor so the adjustments aren't as comprehensive.
@@NoName-vz1ob I'm curious to know what would have been the difference on this bike if you'd just switched the tuner?
And what are your thoughts on using a TTS tuner over the Power Vision tuner?
@@jasoningle43 TTS is a very good tuning product. I prefer the Powervision interface over TTS and I personally feel the VCI "box" that is the TTS is antiquated. A license from Powervision can be used on any PV programmer.
@@NoName-vz1ob thank you for responding. So what about PV over TTS tuner is more superior? In layman's terms. I know this is difficult to answer to 100% because it's hypothetical and you haven't seen my motorcycle personally but, I have a 2017 Ultra limited with M8 107 with a HD stage 3, a D&D 2into1 Fatcat, and TTS tuner. 100% 5th gear pulls on a dynojet winpep7 dyno turned 112HP, 115TQ..A year later and 20,000 miles later I did another dyno run at same dealership, same dyno, almost identical temperature, humidity, conditions and I lost 5% on both. Now I'm at 110HP & 110TQ. The TTS program was meticulously gone through when 1st installed but I'm not sure how well it was actually programmed. I'm asking or curious to know if just changing tuners from TTS to Power Vision would gain HP/TQ ?
I'm doing this same swap this Tuesday but going from SE full exhaust to D&D billet cat 2 into 1. Current numbers are 113 torque and 119 HP with street tuner and SE auto-tuner. 2017 SGS. This guys HP only 95 is got to be a bad tune.
Check into the Tim's VTwin Performance Maxcell 821B cam 1st!!! He is located in North Carolina. He has been building SUCCESSFUL race engines for Harleys for a long time.
I would say your 119hp is far more suspicious out of a screaming eagle anything to be honest.
Johnny Turbo I totally agree. I'd like to see Moonshine HD do a wide open baseline throttle prior to doing his work. I'm highly skeptical of his claim of 119HP and 113TQ especially with a SE restrictive header and SE tuner.
@@richardedwin5980 Y'all aren't very well informed then. My numbers are pretty common with the SE stage IV kit when combined with the SE full exhaust. I have the dyno sheet to prove it.
@@johnnyturbo8460 The SE 515 cam is a power cam which make HP in the high rpms. The 119 HP is legit and peaks at 5900 rpm according to my dyno sheet.
jetag93 I'm way more informed than you think and have not yet seen those numbers out of a Stage 4 build using the SE full system on a Street Glide. The SE full exhaust is a total waste of money. It still has a cat in it and is not that great of a header. The other thing is that those numbers, if true numbers, are in such a high RPM range (4000RPM & above) that they are ineffective unless you ride at that range everywhere you go every single time you ride. Every single Dyno is going to give you a different number. Let's see the numbers at the rear wheel. I have a good friend with a Stage 4 build on a 2018 CVO Street Glide with a Power Vision Tuner and Vance & Hines a Power Duals with the V&H 4.5" HO muffler and he doesn't have those numbers. And his was built by one of the best around.
Doesn’t the Harley stage 4 have 11:1 compression? Thought the 468 was for low compression.
Obviously not 🤷🏻♂️
Should have just did a T-Man 128" and made some serious HP
He could have done one of our 128 setups but that wasn't what he was looking for.
The Zipper’s Redshift 468 has to the most proven great all around cam for the M8. Zipper’s makes great products for sure.
Dude wtf
Stage 4 107-114 and less than 100hp?
I have a 107 with 468 cam, catless head pipes , basic ass intake (the Arlen ness big sucker)
And dyno tune on powevision..
And makes 105/115
On a fuckin stock 107 except for the stage 2
Man.. I seen ppl get Harley stahe 3 and 4
And with catted headers and I’m like WHAT ?
I got a 98 fatboy.... what cant you do to it?
What do you want to do? Call Aaron. We do Evos too!
I’m a fair distance from you but I’d like to know what. Mods you’d do for a 19 street glide cvo! Tuner, headers, cams and so on.
There are quite a few factors that go into it. We don't have "packages" really. We tailor the components to what our customers want to achieve. If you are going to have a local speed shop do it I would go with their recommendations.
I really don't know if you are reading this ; but the issue of mitigating high heat in air-cooled motors ; like the 103 and Mil-8 motors ; already been long resolved by using ceramic coating on tops of pistons, inside the heads, and inside exhaust header. All this water / oil head coolings for 103 , 107, 114 CI motors maybe not required ; short of just running a standard oil cooler for the entire motor. Just another example this motor company using bad engineering to solve simple problems.....
There are others using this on many, many different air cooled platforms, with great success...... But no, HD has to do it the complicated expensive way.......People already just so fed up with this level of incompetence, only matter of time when people no longer hooked on riding on a Harley...............
Does not matter ... Harley stock been in a steep nose dive last 7 years. People are fed up pouring money into these engines which are designed to fail. People not paying 20 to 30 thousand dollars for new bikes... I predict this company will be bankrupt inside of 5 years from now..... We have access to company balance sheets, showing the company way over extended on existing loans and credit to the tune of almost 1500 million dollars. This motor company not have that kind of cash to pay back..........Is only a matter of time now, before banks start calling these notes back over-due for payment............
If moonshine keeps selling and installing after market parts Harley won't renew there license.
Im sure everyone knows you can get much better power numbers out of a HD. The question is at what cost money wise, reliability, longevity, & a lot more heat from an already hot engine. For the perpetually well off these are maybe a non issue. But a real biker who needs his sled every day? Don't do it.
We have customers racking up 30,000 plus a year on these setups. I guess they aren't real bikers because they have these setups in your book??? We also warranty these setups for them.
@@MoonshineHarley Good to hear. Would you honestly state how many of your customers with this set up have serious problems because of this set up vs how many have no problems?