I have played a few Besson New Standards, and that specific version has to be one of my favorite euphoniums of all time. My first four valve compensating euphonium was a Besson New Standard. Ironically enough, to get that horn, I traded my Besson 3 valve curved bell compensating euphonium, which is the very same one that you had a while back.
basically, from like the 1940s or 1950s I think, until 1974 the topline Besson euph was the New Standard. - From 1974 to 1985 the Boosey&Hawkes Round Stamp Sovereign was the successor but the New Standard (and Imperial) were still made alongside it (in large shank!). - From 1985 it was rebranded as the Besson Sovereign, the New Standard/Imperial model was dropped from the lineup. Until the late 1990s the Sovereign stayed the top line euph, until the Prestige was introduced around that time. After that there was a whole mess of bankruptcy and some other shenanigans, but from 2007 onwards the instruments were made entirely in Germany instead of Britain.
i got the opportunity to play a besson new standard compensating euph and i used my large bore mouthpiece and it barely fit. besson still makes new standard euphs but they don’t make them compensated anymore
I actually preferred the Besson Standard Euphonium sound to the Yamaha euphonium. Yamaha makes fantastic instruments but i feel like their tone is a bit more constrained and centered than a Besson or a King euphonium.
Yup, it's not as interesting a sound. I really do like that Besson grit. But since I'm not a euphonium soloist... I deal with the much better playability of the Yamaha as a tradeoff!
Hi Aidan, today for the first time since about 30 years I played in a german trombone choir and the guy next to me played a trombone just like yours. It was a german Miraphone and it was build for the trombone choir as the bass line never is lower as F. The tubas played an octave lower as low bass, but the trombone did not. So perhaps this might be the solution of your trombone riddle.
I had a straight bass when i was in middle school. I didn't know what it was until i got to high school 😂. The one i had was a Yamaha iirc, it looked just like yours and it was keyed in Bb Tenor. I was trying to figure out why it sounded deeper and louder than everybody else's. Straight Bass Trombones in Bb Tenor are basically student model Bass Trombones.
@@AidanRitchie No. It had the large bell on it and it used a larger mouthpiece. The bore of the slide was wider and the slide positions were a little more spaced out. I told the salesman I needed a Trombone for Jazz band and that's what he sold me. That was my first Trombone lol. That thing had a BARK!
@@AidanRitchie The pitches and slide positions were the same as a Tenor though. Low pedal Bb1 sounded effortless on it whereas that same pedal tone sounds stuffed on a Tenor.
@@AidanRitchie it had a Tenor fundamental pitch with a Bass Trombone bore bell and mouthpiece lol. It's kinda like the nomenclature of a Bass Clarinet. It has a Tenor fundamental pitch with a large bore and has a Bass tone but it's a Tenor instrument fundamentally lol
th-cam.com/video/cciooBH5XzU/w-d-xo.html found the video i was thinking of, still not sure about it, but the bells on the silver trombones look way too large for valveless large bore tenors, might interest you
Yes, UHOP likes to use basses with straight neckpipes (usually modified that way). I really thought this horn would act like those, maybe it would if I could play like that haha
I have played a few Besson New Standards, and that specific version has to be one of my favorite euphoniums of all time. My first four valve compensating euphonium was a Besson New Standard. Ironically enough, to get that horn, I traded my Besson 3 valve curved bell compensating euphonium, which is the very same one that you had a while back.
I fear no valve... But that thing... it scares me.
basically, from like the 1940s or 1950s I think, until 1974 the topline Besson euph was the New Standard.
- From 1974 to 1985 the Boosey&Hawkes Round Stamp Sovereign was the successor but the New Standard (and Imperial) were still made alongside it (in large shank!).
- From 1985 it was rebranded as the Besson Sovereign, the New Standard/Imperial model was dropped from the lineup.
Until the late 1990s the Sovereign stayed the top line euph, until the Prestige was introduced around that time.
After that there was a whole mess of bankruptcy and some other shenanigans, but from 2007 onwards the instruments were made entirely in Germany instead of Britain.
Thanks for the info!!
i got the opportunity to play a besson new standard compensating euph and i used my large bore mouthpiece and it barely fit. besson still makes new standard euphs but they don’t make them compensated anymore
That straight bass is literally the horn I've been trying to build after seeing the weird jinbao giant tenor you had a while back
That's this!
I'll still take it! 😂
My Edwards quote made my wallet hurt.
@@Torqueasi I might sell it. We'll see!
@@AidanRitchie I'm certainly in the market with my busted arm :)
@@Torqueasi fix that arm stat!
Wasn’t slide Hampton playing on a straight bass for a bit?
Yes, actually a horn similar to this in many ways
Well did you ever do anything with that silver 50b wrap? Combine it?
I have that wrap, but the valve on it is trashed. I think I also sold the linkage for it, so I'd need a new valve that fits and linkage/paddle.
that bore size is so peculiar
You're peculiar!
I actually preferred the Besson Standard Euphonium sound to the Yamaha euphonium. Yamaha makes fantastic instruments but i feel like their tone is a bit more constrained and centered than a Besson or a King euphonium.
Yup, it's not as interesting a sound. I really do like that Besson grit. But since I'm not a euphonium soloist... I deal with the much better playability of the Yamaha as a tradeoff!
Hi Aidan, today for the first time since about 30 years I played in a german trombone choir and the guy next to me played a trombone just like yours. It was a german Miraphone and it was build for the trombone choir as the bass line never is lower as F. The tubas played an octave lower as low bass, but the trombone did not. So perhaps this might be the solution of your trombone riddle.
It could be a Germany copy. That would be very interesting!
I think Russia (USSR) Made a .562 bore straight trombone
I wouldn't be surprised!
I had a straight bass when i was in middle school. I didn't know what it was until i got to high school 😂. The one i had was a Yamaha iirc, it looked just like yours and it was keyed in Bb Tenor. I was trying to figure out why it sounded deeper and louder than everybody else's. Straight Bass Trombones in Bb Tenor are basically student model Bass Trombones.
Sure it wasn't a straight large bore tenor?
@@AidanRitchie No. It had the large bell on it and it used a larger mouthpiece. The bore of the slide was wider and the slide positions were a little more spaced out. I told the salesman I needed a Trombone for Jazz band and that's what he sold me. That was my first Trombone lol. That thing had a BARK!
@@AidanRitchie The pitches and slide positions were the same as a Tenor though. Low pedal Bb1 sounded effortless on it whereas that same pedal tone sounds stuffed on a Tenor.
@@Skyisthelimit4me that sounds like a straight large bore to me!
@@AidanRitchie it had a Tenor fundamental pitch with a Bass Trombone bore bell and mouthpiece lol. It's kinda like the nomenclature of a Bass Clarinet. It has a Tenor fundamental pitch with a large bore and has a Bass tone but it's a Tenor instrument fundamentally lol
i've seen those straight bass trombones in parade marching bands, i'll try to see if i can find one
th-cam.com/video/cciooBH5XzU/w-d-xo.html
found the video i was thinking of, still not sure about it, but the bells on the silver trombones look way too large for valveless large bore tenors, might interest you
Yes, UHOP likes to use basses with straight neckpipes (usually modified that way). I really thought this horn would act like those, maybe it would if I could play like that haha