When you talk about someone decloaking right next to you, I just imagine one of those cartoon scenes where you just see the cheetah turn into a cloud silhouette.
@Captain Benzie Video suggestion: showing d-scan angle & range to make a single sweep combat scan & how you can use core probes if you know they're on a sig to avoid spooking the target. Sorry if you've already covered this, still haven't gotten to go through your back catalogue of videos but they're on my list, promise!
As a SC member, when I mapped my 5th Thera WH, Corp. gave me a free T2 covop frig. I've chosen Anathema to be a little accurate on scanning (deviation bonus) but the Cheetah was my other choice. Velocity and align are huge for our kind of content!
Great fit! I added 2 expanded cargo holds and upped the align time to 3.4. I mostly hunt down abandoned drones for fun and hit the occasional relic or data site in my Anathema, looking forward to giving this one a shot! Great videos btw, I have been looking for a good EVE content creator for a long time. Keep up the great work!
With my skills and your fit I still have a 4s align time (displays 3.36s), so I went Helios to get the same cloak speed velocity bonus, the same 4s align time, and an extra mid slot to add more scanning/hacking stuff. Here's my current fit: [Helios, Simulated Helios Fitting] Inertial Stabilizers I Inertial Stabilizers II Warp Core Stabilizer I 1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Data Analyzer I Relic Analyzer I Scan Rangefinding Array I Scan Rangefinding Array I Core Probe Launcher I Interdiction Nullifier I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Memetic Algorithm Bank I Small Emission Scope Sharpener I
The wonderful thing about scanning skills is they play into other playstyles too. Good scanning skills help with PvP combat probe scanning, and PvE to find DED Complexes etc
The Microwarpdrive actually has another common and practical use and that is to one-pulse it between cannisters in data and relic sites. Relic site cans can be as much as 25+ km from each other, and the reduced travel time the MWD provides reduces your exposure time to danger. The data sites can have even more travel time at 50+ km, and a two-pulse use of the MWD is needed. I would definitely have a 5MN MWD on all my covert ops ships and tier 1 explorer ships.
Great Take. Ahhh I see the main reason... the price is much cheaper than an astero. 21 vs 114M If you have the coin.. the Astero is probably going to be easier to get for newbro;s and even more effective.
One use for drones in exploration frigates is ECM drones to try and escape from someone pointing you (if you don’t get alpha’d), or in bait uses where you fit them out with tank and some drones for damage/EWAR until your friends arrive
I disagree with ECM. The distraction of attempting to use them usually just results in an easier KM. Most things one shot explorers anyways so you're dead before the ECM really triggers. Better to just run imho
Astrometrics and Astrometric Acquisition both affect the scan time of your core and combat probes. The Survey skill only affects Ship/Cargo/Survey Scanners.
Just came back to the game, braved a mostly empty wormhole in my basic fit Heron, pulled out a hundred million isk, and felt really bad doing it because I didn't have Small Memetic Algorithm Bank I, Small Emission Scope Sharpener I, fit and I broke half the boxes at 7 sites :( :( :( :( . But hey, 100 million isk!
Only if you're caught by someone who only has a single, basic, warp disruptor. Two disruptors, a single scrambler, or a single faction disruptor and it does nothing. Just don't be on grid when they go to lock you
HI Capitan Was wondering how you have so much cpu left im trying to fit this ship the same and i can't online the cargo scanner as i'm 0.25 cpu short, not sure were i went wrong lol Cheers, Keep up the good work.
I don't understand how this is viable if the cap is depleted after 3m40s running only the mwd with every skill at 5. Perhaps I don't understand the purpose of the mwd, but for me, I need to be quick at data sites and want to orbit a target while hacking. What about a stab, is it even useful for low/null/wh? I tried to fit one into this, but cap recharge will never be enough with it. Hope you can help me understand.
So, firstly, never orbit. By orbiting you're moving in a direction which means it may take longer to warp out of you're jumped as you need to realign. When you're at zero, your ship is aligned in all directions so just needs to speed up. Park and hack, don't orbit. The MWD is only used moving between boxes quickly. With an MWD active, your signature radius is also bloomed, meaning you're a bigger target to hit and faster to lock on to.
@@captainbenzie Thank you for explaining! Well, I try this cheetah fit. The funny thing is, I found your channel because of this fitting with a stab and I searched for a better fit. Subbed.
Explorer fitting is very skill dependent. I can't simply give you a Buzzard fit, but I can teach you how to make one PERFECT to your skills and needs! th-cam.com/video/4cFdJ4n5Vxc/w-d-xo.html
I just use astero, cause I can fight occasionally. My skills allow me to scan w/e, mb not as fast, but having armor rep and scram is designed to kill smbdy like you xD
A half and half fit will never catch somebody like me, and will lose to a dedicated hunter. That's why I don't like the Astero, as it leads people to fit half and half.
If you are going to do much exploration, there is no reason to use any ship other than the Helios. IDK why CCP has the exploration ships so imbalanced by race, but they do. The Helios has a better slot loadout. Exploration is boosted by midslots, which puts you in either the Caldari or the Gallente ship. The Helios gets more powergrid which is what you need for everything that does exploration. It even has a better inertia modifier. No idea why anyone flies anything else except that it is ugly. CCP needs to make these four ships all identical to one another as the differences provide no choice between the ships for any reason other than ship model appearance. Or, they could come up with legitimate balance differences between them such as supporting data hacking with one and relic with another, making one more slippery or significantly faster and another being able to do it all but having a terrible align time. The way things are right now, the Helios is the only one to fly. Flying a ship because of in-game appearance is foolish, imo, because good players ZTFO (zoom the F out).
It's personal preference, and whilst you say Helios is best, there are comments below stating that the Anathema or Buzzard are the "only" choices. Maxed out, there's very little difference. Folks should fly what they enjoy. It's not like your Helios does anything my Cheetah can't, and the difference in stats is so minor that pilot skill will be the factor.
@@captainbenzie A Helios can fit both a relic and a data analyzer and two different kinds of scanning upgrade in the mids with an MWD. This gives me the ability to skip every other step as I scan things down, and the ability to collect more tools and bust even the most difficult cans without even needing to know what I am doing. The Zeugma doesn't compete with the two mods separate at T2. None of the other three ships can do that. I've tried them all - desperately wanting to not use the Helios because it is such an ugly, ugly, really damn ugly ship model that I hate looking at. I would prefer to use the Buzzard as I am a caldari guy myself, but the Buzzard doesn't have the grid to fit those modules. Another ship might be better for another purpose, but for a pure scanning and hacking ship maxed out to the limit, the Helios is supreme. I get loving Winmatar ships and their beautiful tie-fighter panels (especially the Hound sooooo schmexy). But if you fly a Helios around fit like that a few times, you'll be annoyed at the slow downs and limitations of the others. Again, only for pure scanning and hacking both relic and data sites. You will kill nothing in a Helios.
@@scooba789 IIRC from PyFa they can both get under 3s align time, the cheetah just gets to do it with a Nanofiber isntead of an inertia mod, after that the only relevant items on a cheetah is a fitting mod or warp stab; Not sure why you'd want a warp stab if you align in 3s tho, and not sure about warp stab + interdiction inhib (or whatever its called), because you just get really crap targetting range and resolution to the point where even locking on cans takes like 6-7 seconds and you can't keep all cans in a site locked at the same time. Cheetah gives you top on grid speed, with a whooping 700m/s cloaked speed, for the cost of: crap fittings fewer meds Honestly, if you just get a Helios with an integrated analyzer and the implant that buffs the virus damage (applies to both relic & data on an integrated analyzer), you get a MWD+hacking module + 3 scan mods and you just blitz through cans without even bothering with cargo scanning; Every other covops frig is obsolete bar the odd occasion you need ongrid speed.
Wow! 0 capacitor cost at skill lvl 5! EE should totally have that! ... Oh, wait! It doesn't cost anything already. 😑 Neteasy or players doesn't seem to understand what is 'choice making and consequences' that what I love about game like EO.
You can get decloaked if something comes within 2500m of you, even in Echoes. And yeah, choice and consequence is absolutely vital to EVE and absolutely missing from Echoes.
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When you talk about someone decloaking right next to you, I just imagine one of those cartoon scenes where you just see the cheetah turn into a cloud silhouette.
Lmao that's what it feels like sometimes!!
I was wondering how a Buzzard took out your Tengu until you said, "His entire fleet warped in on top of me." 😄
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I hear something else each time you say "Thukker tribe" :S
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Really happy to see all the Eve content!
Glad you're enjoying! Pleeeeenty more to come!!
@Captain Benzie Video suggestion: showing d-scan angle & range to make a single sweep combat scan & how you can use core probes if you know they're on a sig to avoid spooking the target. Sorry if you've already covered this, still haven't gotten to go through your back catalogue of videos but they're on my list, promise!
Keep up the great work! It would be nice if you put the fittings in the description.
I normally do, but this one has so many "it depends" elements that I chose to leave it out. Next time I'm online, I'll add it ☺️
As a SC member, when I mapped my 5th Thera WH, Corp. gave me a free T2 covop frig. I've chosen Anathema to be a little accurate on scanning (deviation bonus) but the Cheetah was my other choice. Velocity and align are huge for our kind of content!
Anathema is cool too! Once you're at 5 on all skills the difference is minimal so it really is about what you prefer to fly!
Great fit! I added 2 expanded cargo holds and upped the align time to 3.4. I mostly hunt down abandoned drones for fun and hit the occasional relic or data site in my Anathema, looking forward to giving this one a shot! Great videos btw, I have been looking for a good EVE content creator for a long time. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for your kind words!!
With my skills and your fit I still have a 4s align time (displays 3.36s), so I went Helios to get the same cloak speed velocity bonus, the same 4s align time, and an extra mid slot to add more scanning/hacking stuff. Here's my current fit:
[Helios, Simulated Helios Fitting]
Inertial Stabilizers I
Inertial Stabilizers II
Warp Core Stabilizer I
1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I
Scan Rangefinding Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I
Core Probe Launcher I
Interdiction Nullifier I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Small Memetic Algorithm Bank I
Small Emission Scope Sharpener I
Excellent! Solid fit and glad you found something that works for you!
I just started EVE figuring I'd get into the PVE PVP roles but I'm really finding the covert exploration route drawing me in more and more.
The wonderful thing about scanning skills is they play into other playstyles too. Good scanning skills help with PvP combat probe scanning, and PvE to find DED Complexes etc
The Microwarpdrive actually has another common and practical use and that is to one-pulse it between cannisters in data and relic sites. Relic site cans can be as much as 25+ km from each other, and the reduced travel time the MWD provides reduces your exposure time to danger. The data sites can have even more travel time at 50+ km, and a two-pulse use of the MWD is needed. I would definitely have a 5MN MWD on all my covert ops ships and tier 1 explorer ships.
I tend to set up a perch, drop a bookmark just before you land on grid. MUCH safer than drifting between boxes.
@@captainbenzie I think I need to learn this. How do you do that?
@@zergnub7426 here's my video on it: th-cam.com/video/NNjhbp-28uM/w-d-xo.html
@@captainbenzie Thanks a lot
Great Take.
Ahhh I see the main reason... the price is much cheaper than an astero.
21 vs 114M
If you have the coin.. the Astero is probably going to be easier to get for newbro;s and even more effective.
Astero is less effective overall. It has the same scan/hack bonuses as a T1 explorer.
One use for drones in exploration frigates is ECM drones to try and escape from someone pointing you (if you don’t get alpha’d), or in bait uses where you fit them out with tank and some drones for damage/EWAR until your friends arrive
I disagree with ECM. The distraction of attempting to use them usually just results in an easier KM. Most things one shot explorers anyways so you're dead before the ECM really triggers. Better to just run imho
Th Astero is pretty sick imo. Most of the explorer ships are fugly imo lol one stop shopping the Tengu seems to be my kinda vibe honestly
I do love the Cheetah myself, but the Astero is BEAUTIFUL ❤️
I hope I´m not wrong, but I think the reduction in "survey probe" time, is for survey probes right? Not regulars probes, or combat probes?
Astrometrics and Astrometric Acquisition both affect the scan time of your core and combat probes. The Survey skill only affects Ship/Cargo/Survey Scanners.
Just came back to the game, braved a mostly empty wormhole in my basic fit Heron, pulled out a hundred million isk, and felt really bad doing it because I didn't have Small Memetic Algorithm Bank I, Small Emission Scope Sharpener I, fit and I broke half the boxes at 7 sites :( :( :( :( . But hey, 100 million isk!
Nice! Well done!!
Any benefit of a "core stabiliser" in the lows?
Only if you're caught by someone who only has a single, basic, warp disruptor. Two disruptors, a single scrambler, or a single faction disruptor and it does nothing.
Just don't be on grid when they go to lock you
You can go 3 inertial stabilizer II and and warp core stabilizer II in the bottom. You still get sub 3 and get the stab to boot.
Depends on your skills but yeah
HI Capitan
Was wondering how you have so much cpu left im trying to fit this ship the same and i can't online the cargo scanner as i'm 0.25 cpu short, not sure were i went wrong lol
Cheers, Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
It could be the Covert Ops skill as this reduces CPU need, but also the CPU Management skill. I have both at 5.
@@captainbenzie Looks like i need another level on my Cov ops skill doh cheers
I don't understand how this is viable if the cap is depleted after 3m40s running only the mwd with every skill at 5.
Perhaps I don't understand the purpose of the mwd, but for me, I need to be quick at data sites and want to orbit a target while hacking. What about a stab, is it even useful for low/null/wh? I tried to fit one into this, but cap recharge will never be enough with it. Hope you can help me understand.
So, firstly, never orbit. By orbiting you're moving in a direction which means it may take longer to warp out of you're jumped as you need to realign. When you're at zero, your ship is aligned in all directions so just needs to speed up. Park and hack, don't orbit.
The MWD is only used moving between boxes quickly. With an MWD active, your signature radius is also bloomed, meaning you're a bigger target to hit and faster to lock on to.
@@captainbenzie Thank you for explaining! Well, I try this cheetah fit. The funny thing is, I found your channel because of this fitting with a stab and I searched for a better fit. Subbed.
@@Syntaxoutofmind Stab won't save you when and Astero decloaks with a Scram, or you get warped to by a Sabre so I don't tend to bother with them
Thanks for the video. I used your referral code. Do you have a good buzzard fit?
Explorer fitting is very skill dependent. I can't simply give you a Buzzard fit, but I can teach you how to make one PERFECT to your skills and needs!
th-cam.com/video/4cFdJ4n5Vxc/w-d-xo.html
Cheetahs never prosper...
In this case, they do 😂
Nice as always. Liked & subscribed btw ;)
Thanks for the sub!
Meet the Thukkers
Lmao 😂
Nice
Thanks
On the way to get skilled into cloaking ❤
This is the way o7
Gnosis, praxis, what else ships that don't require skill?
Suneisis is another in that line, and the Metamorphosis
I just use astero, cause I can fight occasionally. My skills allow me to scan w/e, mb not as fast, but having armor rep and scram is designed to kill smbdy like you xD
A half and half fit will never catch somebody like me, and will lose to a dedicated hunter. That's why I don't like the Astero, as it leads people to fit half and half.
The Cheetah needs better skins...fashion before function !😉 And CCP ruined the ship model after the redesign 😠
To each their own! Honestly, I love this skin, and I adore the model!!
If you are going to do much exploration, there is no reason to use any ship other than the Helios. IDK why CCP has the exploration ships so imbalanced by race, but they do. The Helios has a better slot loadout. Exploration is boosted by midslots, which puts you in either the Caldari or the Gallente ship. The Helios gets more powergrid which is what you need for everything that does exploration. It even has a better inertia modifier. No idea why anyone flies anything else except that it is ugly. CCP needs to make these four ships all identical to one another as the differences provide no choice between the ships for any reason other than ship model appearance. Or, they could come up with legitimate balance differences between them such as supporting data hacking with one and relic with another, making one more slippery or significantly faster and another being able to do it all but having a terrible align time. The way things are right now, the Helios is the only one to fly. Flying a ship because of in-game appearance is foolish, imo, because good players ZTFO (zoom the F out).
It's personal preference, and whilst you say Helios is best, there are comments below stating that the Anathema or Buzzard are the "only" choices.
Maxed out, there's very little difference. Folks should fly what they enjoy. It's not like your Helios does anything my Cheetah can't, and the difference in stats is so minor that pilot skill will be the factor.
@@captainbenzie A Helios can fit both a relic and a data analyzer and two different kinds of scanning upgrade in the mids with an MWD. This gives me the ability to skip every other step as I scan things down, and the ability to collect more tools and bust even the most difficult cans without even needing to know what I am doing. The Zeugma doesn't compete with the two mods separate at T2. None of the other three ships can do that. I've tried them all - desperately wanting to not use the Helios because it is such an ugly, ugly, really damn ugly ship model that I hate looking at. I would prefer to use the Buzzard as I am a caldari guy myself, but the Buzzard doesn't have the grid to fit those modules. Another ship might be better for another purpose, but for a pure scanning and hacking ship maxed out to the limit, the Helios is supreme. I get loving Winmatar ships and their beautiful tie-fighter panels (especially the Hound sooooo schmexy). But if you fly a Helios around fit like that a few times, you'll be annoyed at the slow downs and limitations of the others. Again, only for pure scanning and hacking both relic and data sites. You will kill nothing in a Helios.
@@scooba789 helios base align time is better
@@scooba789 IIRC from PyFa they can both get under 3s align time, the cheetah just gets to do it with a Nanofiber isntead of an inertia mod, after that the only relevant items on a cheetah is a fitting mod or warp stab;
Not sure why you'd want a warp stab if you align in 3s tho, and not sure about warp stab + interdiction inhib (or whatever its called), because you just get really crap targetting range and resolution to the point where even locking on cans takes like 6-7 seconds and you can't keep all cans in a site locked at the same time.
Cheetah gives you top on grid speed, with a whooping 700m/s cloaked speed, for the cost of:
crap fittings
fewer meds
Honestly, if you just get a Helios with an integrated analyzer and the implant that buffs the virus damage (applies to both relic & data on an integrated analyzer), you get a MWD+hacking module + 3 scan mods and you just blitz through cans without even bothering with cargo scanning;
Every other covops frig is obsolete bar the odd occasion you need ongrid speed.
@@Alticroo You speak the sad truth, friend. Helios > all.
Wow! 0 capacitor cost at skill lvl 5! EE should totally have that! ... Oh, wait! It doesn't cost anything already. 😑 Neteasy or players doesn't seem to understand what is 'choice making and consequences' that what I love about game like EO.
And that you can get declocked in EO, means that it's not op unlike ee. Unless there is that I wasn't aware of.
You can get decloaked if something comes within 2500m of you, even in Echoes.
And yeah, choice and consequence is absolutely vital to EVE and absolutely missing from Echoes.
Can’t help but snigger when you say “Thukker” the immature side of me has never grown up
Thanks for this comment, good to know I'm not the only one 😂
Mother-thukker 😂
Me too. So funny. They were a great bunch of Thukkers. Lol
It’s snicker… you racist 😂😂🤓
so much swearing..lol
I would actually plop a AU/s rig and push it to 10.00 AU/s . Its funny fast