This card is beautiful and very quiet! I have in a fractal ridge case, it fit like a jem. It stays below 60c when gaming at 4k. Amazing card, worth the buy if you have the money.
The TUF looks once in the setup it may even add to it but the Proart size is just a ton of convenience starting it fits many more cases then you worry less about the connector going bust by the pressure from the case walls and you have the possibility to install two making it dual GPU that I don't know how it happens without the NVLink
I had an ASUS RTX 4090 TUF with massive Coil whine. Now I use MSI RTX 4080 SUPER EXPERT and it is quiet and without any coil whine. It is never reaching 75°C on the Hotspot even when overclock to the MAX with 115% Power Target and 100% Voltage! Call me AMAZED!
Fans on the TUF are a good bit bigger, i love the look of the proart and nearlt bought a 4070 version, but i think the bigger fans and cooler on the TUF are worth it, quieter allround, not that you will hear it with ya headset on anyway... I actually here my case fans running at 500rpm over my GPU fans...
I have the Asus 4080 Super Tuf Gaming, not the Pro Art. Bought it directly from Asus and it was dropped off a couple days ago. Took it out of the box and looked it over for physical damage and put it back in the box. Sitting on it until the Gen15 cpu and motherboards come out to build a new editing machine.
10degree difference is actually very nice. TUF is a winner in this department for sure. What about the coil whine on TUF? I heard people saying ProArt has higher quality components than TUF. How likely it is to encounter that model that has such problem?
@@howlingbeats2544 ah my answer got deleted, I guess it was because I mentionned the website. So basically it was on Gala**s (XU) and it was a used GPU (the guy used it for like 1 month before returning it). That explains the big sale
@@howlingbeats2544 my comment keeps getting deleted ffs.. I was saying it was a used GPU (the guy used it for like 1 month) so it had a big discount. And so far I had absolutely no problems with my GPU
Any real sff builder would know why the power connector is flipped. Because alot of sff cases use the sandwich layout. And so the connector would be easier to press and remove since in that layout, it will face outward of the case then.
massive agree. covering performance "differences" between aftermarket cooled cards, since they're the same card, which not non existantly varied, is so negligible at all times it's basically pointless that said just cooling performance is a nice to have element of comparison would be nice if cooling was specifically tested for 1080p, 1440p and 4k resolutions respectively, instead of just 1 of them, unspecified. cooling does start to matter a lot at 4k where temps get significantly higher (and noise, as fans spin faster to keep up) all the written reviews comparing aftermaket cooled 4080s i just read also all missed the point. no noise testing anywhere, no mention of coil whine please consider noise and coil whine testing above all, as a main focus, for every and all gpu comparison tests ever, if possible easier said than done of course but it would be some fantastic info
@@LassieRF Yeah testing of coil whine or having a frequency response graph to see if there are any annoying sounds would be cool. 1080p vs 4k shouldnt matter as long as your GPU utilization is still 100% and you arent CPU limited. You could even use MSI afterburner to compare noise/temps at the same power draw.
@@spoorthyv as a 4k pleb, temps get significantly higher at 4k, my 1080ti gpu is throttling itself to not overheat, in just about any title with my 2700x amd cpu, am4 mobo, 3200mhz ram, at 4k res. i don't notice it in a bad way too much, but the lag is there. - All of this is significantly less bad at 1080p/1440p. Temps bein the more noticable difference (temps do get WAY higher at 4k)
@@LassieRF Ah I see why. Its your CPU. At 1080p you are cpu limited so your gpu was chilling. At 4k youre gpu limited and running at 100%. If you maxes out a game like cyberpunk with path tracing at 1080p youd get the same level of heat and temps. Try it!
@@spoorthyv path tracing... alternative/low grade version of ray tracing? it's sort of a tech i don't care about, RT. also still don't own Cyberpunk. maybe one of these days. i'm sadly too busy with forever mmo "games" that ultimately bring me no satisfaction, just busy work... unfortch - but true, the 1080ti gets challenged at 4k, but kinda does just fine. the temps go 85c more or less but it seems that's normal for just about any card at 4k. seems it handles it well, as far as i can tell :>
I'm interested getting on a QHD 2k monitor for casual 3d modelling, and AAA online sandbox games.... Was thinking of new x870E motherboard + 9600 + 4060 ti (16gb ) / 4070. What would be better gpu option for me ? ❤ Difference in gpu price in my area is 150€.
ProArt series could really be better. They have Art in the name so they should try to have more features than other cards. Like multiple outputs of different kinds including a c port out and a built in Video in. : HDMI Out, 2 DP Out , USB type-C out w video. Swappable video IN connector (any video type in) to record video. It should also have a switch to optimize the ram for gaming or editing. similar to the Silent/OC switch on some cards.
i bought proart 4080 super because it's smaller and can fit in my htpc computer case, any other videocard is too big. Currently in my htpc case no other fans are runnig and the card usually around 50 degree no matter what games am i running (doom eternal, cyberpunk etc..) For rendering my two default renderer is v-ray and cycles even when they are really stressing the card it still runing at solid 60-65 degree. Personally i very happy with proart 4080, im thinking to buy another one, these cards slim if i compare to any other 4080, so perfectly fit side by side.
The ProArt 4070 Ti Super is an amazing card so the 4080 would just be a better tuned sort of version. I'm not complaining about the 8 months of free Adobe Cloud from 2 cards and 2 SSDs I recently picked up for my editing machines either. The RMA thing you posted about previously is just how this stuff works every once in a while. After a few decades of this you get used to those occasionally brainfart moments from companies like Asus did there. Great video. Love the intro.
@@matiasfrias5429 The only time I actually hear the fans spin up is during a heavy workload and even then it's nothing that bothers me. I love these cards.
Proart is only card that fits in my define r6 (with all drive bays) but when i`ve looked at temps+RPM comparing to TUF....its not that obvious if i pick this model :( but looks veery good.
I like your test, but have another take on the pros and cons. Pros for the ProArt is in my opinion the size. The con is the cooling. now about the Adobe package, three months is nothing. If you are already an Adobe user then you already have the package that fit your need and budget. If you're not currently an Adobe user then it's not long enough to learn the program and really do something worthwhile, but long enough to get your hocked so you're at risk of spending a lot of money on Adobe products. As for me, a former user of Photoshop, I used the program at work using the license belonging to the company. I have not used it at home or in private. Pro for the TUF... Big f---ing cooler and a price that's actually lower than ProArt. And yes, I'm ignoring any packages. The size is important as it's pretty F---in huge. But if you got the space it is a better cooler than on the ProArt. As for looks, I don't care! My computer is for use not for looks. I like closed steel boxes with no RGB at all, It's on the floor in the corner with my desk and stuff hiding it. No one cares if the components are ugly as long as they do what I need them to do. Having said that I'm obsessed with cable management. But it's not for looks but for making the airpaths open and for ease of use. If I have to change anything the cables are to be easy to handle and logically routed. Oh, and I love the hated colored cables from the PSU because the colors mean something. Just looking at a cables color you can tell what is ground , +5V or +12V. With the solid black, white or whatever other color someone use that's a pain. Now you may wonder why I would need to know that. Heck I've been a computer tech for about 40 years. I like to know what I'm looking at, and have done some interesting couplings in computers splicing into the power harness.
Hi, cool video - how did the noise of the ProArt compare to the standard TUF? I know the TUF is super quiet, but the scaled down fans make me think it will be different
He never mentioned that while the tuff was at 61⁰c, the fans were only spinning at around 1400 rpm and the pro art was at 74⁰ with the fans spinning at 2200 rpm. Really shows the difference in cooler size.
Weirdly enough, at least where I live, among all three Asus GPU lines the ProArt is the cheapest. Retailers in my area really think the bigger and the more RGB it has, the more expensive it should be.
There is no such thing as 'gaming hardware'. These are the same cards, they are different in terms of thermals and noise levels. The ProArt being smaller will obvious get a little louder and hotter, but nothing to worry about.
@@marcotr0186 praticamente rifiuta di onorare la garanzia di vari prodotti, da la colpa all'utente per aver danneggiato il prodotto anche quando é evidente che non sia cosi. Gamer Nexus ha pubblicato vari video a riguardo, per loro tutto é partito quando Asus si é rifiutata di riparare il loro Rog ally difettoso (sotto garanzia) e ha richiesto tipo 200$ solo per rimandarlo indietro assemblato e non a pezzi... É anche da vedere se questo é un problema limitato agli USA oppure globale
Dude, i like your channel, but why are you promoting asus stuff? You just posted a whole video about their advanced rma. I think, and probably the largest part of informed enthousiast, that asus right now sucks and should get their shit together. I mean: Are they paying you large sums for product showcases?
@theTechNotice Hi! I have the Proart Z790 + Tuf 4070 Ti + Hyper m.2 Gen 5.0 | not getting the 4070 ti gpu to run on x16 lanes (the gpu is Pcie 4.0) - based on the specs - should work fine - tried auto, bifurcation x8 + x8. nothing, the motherboard should supprt this, anybody ?! Thanks.
After your own recent discoveries, you need to ask yourself: Do you really want to promote more Asus products after being, well, scammed FIVE times in a row within a single month by their RMA department of the same sub brand (Pro Art)?
@@theTechNotice Which part 2? I have watched the video from 10 days ago, titled: "Something is Seriously WRONG here, ASUS..." If there is a part 2 for that video, you may have forgotten to set it public ^^
@@Waldherzyes he has a hour long live video where this point is addressed But technically we can’t remove every brand for their work as all have suffered such issues in some way or the other May that be Gigabyte or MSI so we seriously don’t have any option
I stay away from Asus. Bought the RTX 4080 Super Founders Edition. Nice little general purpose, entry level graphics card. Hopefully, the power connector won't burn up!
Asus, meh. Oh yes the great ProArt Lineup. Where the Products cost Premium, but aren't. There is so much shit going on with ProArt Models. Keep Asus Hardware, thanks. Not even considering their drama atm. I really never understood the ASUS Hype. Is this a mostly North American thing somehow? Mindfactory in Germany even kicked out Asus years ago because of problems with their products. I have to say that this Card, that gets so much praise for its Design, looks really similar from the Fan side to an XFX SWFT RX6800 non XT. Edit: Oh boy i just realised that you have A LOT of experience with ASUS :D:D:D :(
Mindfactory never stated that they removed ASUS because of problems with their products. They most likely couldn't get a deal to buy their stuff for a proper purchase price. Same reason why most shops throw out certain brands/products out of their assortment. Its about money and not about any ethics. Mindfactory is a profit-oriented business just like any other business on this planet. Stop being silly
@@LEK No, i know this because i know People that worked there for years. Mindfactory can do whatever they want. It is about the Problems that were created with bad ASUS Products. They also have a repair shop and they build systems. Stop being silly yourself then i guess :D There is never one truth. There is lots of factors. But thats what was told me, since i am interested in Hardware and talk about it. Mindfactory has great prices, but they lack big Time in some parts. Like CPU cooler and Cases for Example. They also have Contracts with BeQuiet and so on. Just have a look around in the shop. Asus isn't there because of different reasons. One is that they had problems with ASUS Products. I never said anything about Ethnics. Why are talking about it. It is not because of recent things. ASUS is not sold by Mindfactory for quite some years now. You won't find Asus there.
This card is beautiful and very quiet! I have in a fractal ridge case, it fit like a jem. It stays below 60c when gaming at 4k. Amazing card, worth the buy if you have the money.
The TUF looks once in the setup it may even add to it but the Proart size is just a ton of convenience starting it fits many more cases then you worry less about the connector going bust by the pressure from the case walls and you have the possibility to install two making it dual GPU that I don't know how it happens without the NVLink
The intro was something else! Loved it!
:)
I had an ASUS RTX 4090 TUF with massive Coil whine.
Now I use MSI RTX 4080 SUPER EXPERT and it is quiet and without any coil whine.
It is never reaching 75°C on the Hotspot even when overclock to the MAX with 115% Power Target and 100% Voltage!
Call me AMAZED!
But at least with ASUS you get great after sales service... Oh wait!
I will totally get this beast this Christmas for my TD300 Mesh build. :)
how does the noise levels compare in similar use scenarios?
OH MAN THE INTROS ARE JUST GETTING BETTER😅🔥
:)
Yes they are. Gonna be hard to top the Dreaming intro one where he woke up from a dream in a dream in a dream and was even holding the baby.
@@nicktayloriv310 yeah fr😂
10:15 Also way lower fan speed on the TUF
Looks like the cooler on the ProArt is not so good. 75°C at 2300rpm fan speed
Yep, 2000+ rpm is quite loud
obviously, the ProArt is way smaller ...
@@cheese186 looks bad even for that size
@@Violet-ui I wonder how it fares to MSI Venus 4080, also small card to my a4-h2o
Fans on the TUF are a good bit bigger, i love the look of the proart and nearlt bought a 4070 version, but i think the bigger fans and cooler on the TUF are worth it, quieter allround, not that you will hear it with ya headset on anyway... I actually here my case fans running at 500rpm over my GPU fans...
From what I've heard about the RTX 5090/5080, it makes me believe that we'll be seeing those two have triple fan set ups like the Art Pro from Asus
I have the Asus 4080 Super Tuf Gaming, not the Pro Art. Bought it directly from Asus and it was dropped off a couple days ago. Took it out of the box and looked it over for physical damage and put it back in the box. Sitting on it until the Gen15 cpu and motherboards come out to build a new editing machine.
10degree difference is actually very nice. TUF is a winner in this department for sure.
What about the coil whine on TUF? I heard people saying ProArt has higher quality components than TUF. How likely it is to encounter that model that has such problem?
Just got a Proart 4080 Super OC for 980€, can't wait to build my PC
nice from where plz? I am in the EU too.
What the other guys said, I'm also curious.
@@howlingbeats2544 ah my answer got deleted, I guess it was because I mentionned the website. So basically it was on Gala**s (XU) and it was a used GPU (the guy used it for like 1 month before returning it). That explains the big sale
@@howlingbeats2544 my comment keeps getting deleted ffs.. I was saying it was a used GPU (the guy used it for like 1 month) so it had a big discount. And so far I had absolutely no problems with my GPU
@@zeph5800how are the temperatures? I just bought 4070 Super version of ProArt and I'm kinda worried it will run hot. I bought it for gaming mostly.
Any real sff builder would know why the power connector is flipped. Because alot of sff cases use the sandwich layout. And so the connector would be easier to press and remove since in that layout, it will face outward of the case then.
Id really love to see noise normalized thermal testing and noise samples. Noise is the main thing different between AIB cards, not performance.
massive agree. covering performance "differences" between aftermarket cooled cards, since they're the same card, which not non existantly varied, is so negligible at all times it's basically pointless
that said just cooling performance is a nice to have element of comparison
would be nice if cooling was specifically tested for 1080p, 1440p and 4k resolutions respectively, instead of just 1 of them, unspecified. cooling does start to matter a lot at 4k where temps get significantly higher (and noise, as fans spin faster to keep up)
all the written reviews comparing aftermaket cooled 4080s i just read also all missed the point. no noise testing anywhere, no mention of coil whine
please consider noise and coil whine testing above all, as a main focus, for every and all gpu comparison tests ever, if possible
easier said than done of course but it would be some fantastic info
@@LassieRF Yeah testing of coil whine or having a frequency response graph to see if there are any annoying sounds would be cool. 1080p vs 4k shouldnt matter as long as your GPU utilization is still 100% and you arent CPU limited. You could even use MSI afterburner to compare noise/temps at the same power draw.
@@spoorthyv as a 4k pleb, temps get significantly higher at 4k, my 1080ti gpu is throttling itself to not overheat, in just about any title with my 2700x amd cpu, am4 mobo, 3200mhz ram, at 4k res. i don't notice it in a bad way too much, but the lag is there.
- All of this is significantly less bad at 1080p/1440p. Temps bein the more noticable difference (temps do get WAY higher at 4k)
@@LassieRF Ah I see why. Its your CPU. At 1080p you are cpu limited so your gpu was chilling. At 4k youre gpu limited and running at 100%. If you maxes out a game like cyberpunk with path tracing at 1080p youd get the same level of heat and temps. Try it!
@@spoorthyv path tracing... alternative/low grade version of ray tracing? it's sort of a tech i don't care about, RT. also still don't own Cyberpunk. maybe one of these days. i'm sadly too busy with forever mmo "games" that ultimately bring me no satisfaction, just busy work... unfortch -
but true, the 1080ti gets challenged at 4k, but kinda does just fine. the temps go 85c more or less but it seems that's normal for just about any card at 4k. seems it handles it well, as far as i can tell :>
I'm interested getting on a QHD 2k monitor for casual 3d modelling, and AAA online sandbox games.... Was thinking of new x870E motherboard + 9600 + 4060 ti (16gb ) / 4070. What would be better gpu option for me ? ❤ Difference in gpu price in my area is 150€.
ProArt series could really be better.
They have Art in the name so they should try to have more features than other cards.
Like multiple outputs of different kinds including a c port out and a built in Video in.
: HDMI Out, 2 DP Out , USB type-C out w video.
Swappable video IN connector (any video type in) to record video.
It should also have a switch to optimize the ram for gaming or editing. similar to the Silent/OC switch on some cards.
i bought proart 4080 super because it's smaller and can fit in my htpc computer case, any other videocard is too big.
Currently in my htpc case no other fans are runnig and the card usually around 50 degree no matter what games am i running (doom eternal, cyberpunk etc..)
For rendering my two default renderer is v-ray and cycles even when they are really stressing the card it still runing at solid 60-65 degree. Personally i very happy with proart 4080, im thinking to buy another one, these cards slim if i compare to any other 4080, so perfectly fit side by side.
The guy in the video seems like having a problem with that card temperatures. It's no way it's that hot.
Is the 4070 ti super tuf and proart oC editions the same benchmarks as in the video?
Incredible review, only thing missing is actual gaming performance.
2:20 minor error, you point at the ProArt and mention it has black fins on the radiator but say it is the TUF version.
Building a Resolve video editing workstation to use in conjunction with a home server. Which is better, 2 rtx 4060's, 2 rtx 4070s, or 1 rtx 4090?
buying 2 GPUs is not useful anymore
The ProArt 4070 Ti Super is an amazing card so the 4080 would just be a better tuned sort of version.
I'm not complaining about the 8 months of free Adobe Cloud from 2 cards and 2 SSDs I recently picked up for my editing machines either.
The RMA thing you posted about previously is just how this stuff works every once in a while. After a few decades of this you get used to those occasionally brainfart moments from companies like Asus did there.
Great video. Love the intro.
How is the noise in the 4070 ti super pro art ? im interested in this card for a ITX build.
@@matiasfrias5429 The only time I actually hear the fans spin up is during a heavy workload and even then it's nothing that bothers me. I love these cards.
Proart is only card that fits in my define r6 (with all drive bays) but when i`ve looked at temps+RPM comparing to TUF....its not that obvious if i pick this model :( but looks veery good.
Thank you Lauri.
Got the ProArt - for 939$. Size and price matters.
ProArt components look soooo good
I like your test, but have another take on the pros and cons.
Pros for the ProArt is in my opinion the size. The con is the cooling. now about the Adobe package, three months is nothing. If you are already an Adobe user then you already have the package that fit your need and budget. If you're not currently an Adobe user then it's not long enough to learn the program and really do something worthwhile, but long enough to get your hocked so you're at risk of spending a lot of money on Adobe products. As for me, a former user of Photoshop, I used the program at work using the license belonging to the company. I have not used it at home or in private.
Pro for the TUF... Big f---ing cooler and a price that's actually lower than ProArt. And yes, I'm ignoring any packages.
The size is important as it's pretty F---in huge. But if you got the space it is a better cooler than on the ProArt.
As for looks, I don't care! My computer is for use not for looks. I like closed steel boxes with no RGB at all, It's on the floor in the corner with my desk and stuff hiding it. No one cares if the components are ugly as long as they do what I need them to do. Having said that I'm obsessed with cable management. But it's not for looks but for making the airpaths open and for ease of use. If I have to change anything the cables are to be easy to handle and logically routed. Oh, and I love the hated colored cables from the PSU because the colors mean something. Just looking at a cables color you can tell what is ground , +5V or +12V. With the solid black, white or whatever other color someone use that's a pain. Now you may wonder why I would need to know that. Heck I've been a computer tech for about 40 years. I like to know what I'm looking at, and have done some interesting couplings in computers splicing into the power harness.
Hi, cool video - how did the noise of the ProArt compare to the standard TUF? I know the TUF is super quiet, but the scaled down fans make me think it will be different
I got the proart. I dont have the TUF so I cant compare the 2, but the proart is pretty damn quiet, I cant hear it over my case fans
@@MMAOdinare the 4070 ti super tuf and proart oC editions the same benchmarks as in the video?
@@gtaplayer3541 i got the 4080 super, so I cant speak on the 4070ti unfortunately
He never mentioned that while the tuff was at 61⁰c, the fans were only spinning at around 1400 rpm and the pro art was at 74⁰ with the fans spinning at 2200 rpm. Really shows the difference in cooler size.
Weirdly enough, at least where I live, among all three Asus GPU lines the ProArt is the cheapest. Retailers in my area really think the bigger and the more RGB it has, the more expensive it should be.
I love ASUS, they have the best coil whine and RMA practices!
so is the prorate good for gaming?
There is no such thing as 'gaming hardware'. These are the same cards, they are different in terms of thermals and noise levels.
The ProArt being smaller will obvious get a little louder and hotter, but nothing to worry about.
Can i Connect with 3x 8 Pin?
The pro art is probably the nicest looking graphics card.
thank you
I know, what this card is missling: The reasonable price...
Considering what ASUS has been up to lately, there is no way I buy any of their products
Meh its not good but its a giant over reaction imo. EK is the one who had drama that really deserved it.
Tech Notice is a Big hypocrite 🤣🤣 he's A-SUS PEST
Cosa ha fatto?
@@marcotr0186 praticamente rifiuta di onorare la garanzia di vari prodotti, da la colpa all'utente per aver danneggiato il prodotto anche quando é evidente che non sia cosi. Gamer Nexus ha pubblicato vari video a riguardo, per loro tutto é partito quando Asus si é rifiutata di riparare il loro Rog ally difettoso (sotto garanzia) e ha richiesto tipo 200$ solo per rimandarlo indietro assemblato e non a pezzi...
É anche da vedere se questo é un problema limitato agli USA oppure globale
Also I now notice that various negative comments present yesterday are now missing, what's app with that? 🧐
i would have got a pro art, but they are unavailable everywhere near me so i bought a tuf oc
I dont have blender 3.6
But i do use blender 3.3 and 4.2 for my workflow , and 4.2 is faster
The Toof!
one punch man 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Dude, i like your channel, but why are you promoting asus stuff? You just posted a whole video about their advanced rma. I think, and probably the largest part of informed enthousiast, that asus right now sucks and should get their shit together. I mean: Are they paying you large sums for product showcases?
I never had any issues with asus products so I have had only positive experiences with their products
haha did he call it the toof?
This is the best card performance wise that I can fit in my pc case so in cases like that it’s worth it
ASUS?
No, thanks.
@theTechNotice Hi! I have the Proart Z790 + Tuf 4070 Ti + Hyper m.2 Gen 5.0 | not getting the 4070 ti gpu to run on x16 lanes (the gpu is Pcie 4.0) - based on the specs - should work fine - tried auto, bifurcation x8 + x8. nothing, the motherboard should supprt this, anybody ?! Thanks.
The heinous business practice from the Adobe, i won't put much worth in it.
After your own recent discoveries, you need to ask yourself:
Do you really want to promote more Asus products after being, well, scammed FIVE times in a row within a single month by their RMA department of the same sub brand (Pro Art)?
Yeah, what the hell was he thinking?
Did you guys see the part 2 live where I explained that?
@@theTechNotice Which part 2?
I have watched the video from 10 days ago, titled: "Something is Seriously WRONG here, ASUS..."
If there is a part 2 for that video, you may have forgotten to set it public ^^
@@Waldherz It was a livestream th-cam.com/users/live9KQF9Ng-l7g?si=ZO7abdFDc3XV5NH0
@@Waldherzyes he has a hour long live video where this point is addressed
But technically we can’t remove every brand for their work as all have suffered such issues in some way or the other May that be Gigabyte or MSI so we seriously don’t have any option
Asus out here paying content creators top dollar this month
Tech Notice is a Big hypocrite 🤣🤣 he's A-SUS PEST, yeah he's been Sucking Hard 🤣🤣
Got my ProArt open box for $930USD…. Even then, I was shocked it was that expensive 😅.
I stay away from Asus. Bought the RTX 4080 Super Founders Edition. Nice little general purpose, entry level graphics card. Hopefully, the power connector won't burn up!
A 4080 super is a entry level card?? Huh?
Are there any reviews coming on new ProArt P16 amd processor ?
🤞
Asus, meh. Oh yes the great ProArt Lineup. Where the Products cost Premium, but aren't. There is so much shit going on with ProArt Models. Keep Asus Hardware, thanks. Not even considering their drama atm. I really never understood the ASUS Hype. Is this a mostly North American thing somehow? Mindfactory in Germany even kicked out Asus years ago because of problems with their products.
I have to say that this Card, that gets so much praise for its Design, looks really similar from the Fan side to an XFX SWFT RX6800 non XT.
Edit: Oh boy i just realised that you have A LOT of experience with ASUS :D:D:D :(
Mindfactory never stated that they removed ASUS because of problems with their products. They most likely couldn't get a deal to buy their stuff for a proper purchase price. Same reason why most shops throw out certain brands/products out of their assortment. Its about money and not about any ethics. Mindfactory is a profit-oriented business just like any other business on this planet. Stop being silly
@@LEK No, i know this because i know People that worked there for years. Mindfactory can do whatever they want. It is about the Problems that were created with bad ASUS Products. They also have a repair shop and they build systems. Stop being silly yourself then i guess :D There is never one truth. There is lots of factors. But thats what was told me, since i am interested in Hardware and talk about it.
Mindfactory has great prices, but they lack big Time in some parts. Like CPU cooler and Cases for Example. They also have Contracts with BeQuiet and so on. Just have a look around in the shop.
Asus isn't there because of different reasons. One is that they had problems with ASUS Products. I never said anything about Ethnics. Why are talking about it. It is not because of recent things. ASUS is not sold by Mindfactory for quite some years now. You won't find Asus there.
But Asus scams their customers when they need a RMA. Why would you support them or promote their products. I cant take you seriously.