2:55 incorrect, sir. The platinum is not the catalyst. The DuPont Nafion membrane itself is the catalyst. The platinum deposited on it is just how the electricity reaches the electrolysis site, from the plates. Platinum was chosen because it does not oxidize. The proton exchange membrane (Nafion membrane) serves two purposes. It is a solid polymer electrolyte (as I discussed) but it also serves as the gas separator. Because of its strength and the fact that it's solid, you can build up a fairly high pressure on either side of it.
@@Hydrogen4Health Please read the Wikipedia article for Nafion. The membrane contains sulphonic acid (SO3H) groups as part of its structure and that's the catalyst. I'm just trying to help everyone understand it properly. It's probably easy to confuse the platinum for the catalyst because many people are familiar with catalytic converters and in THAT case, the platinum actually is the catalyst. Platinum does not speed up the decomposition of water, though. It's used for its inertness.
Steve: the LP tank valves are not designed for H size atom. There's always leak even at a very low pressure. However, the NG cylinders are a little better and it can hold over 3k lb. But it had to be stress test certify too often. My opinion is that hg is useful only on demand. For me was more safe and economical to use electricity for recharging li-ion batteries.
Steve, one tip for producing a new gas for combustion on engines. Dissolves the HHO at atmosferic air, you will obtain a gas named Nitrox-H , this misture can be stored and pressured. Make this and write your opnion. Great work. Congratulation man. You are on the right way, i will stay tunned here.
@@Hydrogen4Health Yes man. We have many videos to show how You can control the concentration of oxigen, if you mixing tha HHO with a fish tank bubbler to obtain small bubles and dissolves the gas with Nitrogen of Atmosferic air. Is not the same thing of inject at intake of engine. The mixture reveives the name of Nitrox-H. Is the enrichment of hidrogen particles and pure oxigen particles.
@@Hydrogen4Health the resulyant gas of nitrogen mixing will promote the full burn of all combustive but without senaibilize the lambd probe. Quantity of Nitrox-H that you inject is proportiinal your economy obtained.
I have a suggestion for you . you wont be able to get all the oxygen out of the tank with a vacuum pump but you could purge the tank with nitrogen or co2 and then vac it down for extra protection
awesome video, another thought on the tank, a lot of people suggested turning it upside down, you could avoid that by using a tank setup like a refrigerant tank with a dip tube, so you could draw the heavier gases, IE O2 from the bottom . Another great video!
wow! I got myself a browns gas machine from a different source respectfully I won't say who but since than I have been wanting to create a storage for the gas. Low and behold you have actually done exactly what i have been thinking about. Amazing a great work.
@@duanearbuckle4683 Simply NO - convert the electricity to hydrogen = 30% losses, compress and transport the hydrogen = 25% losses. But if you have FREE energy (solar/wind etc.) then you can STORAGE it (witch is very hard with energy - electricity) for later use.
see bob lazar,s set up he ha,s an outside commercial system 4 scuba tanks in the back he says he gets about 400 miles. he plugs in and in 8 hours the 4 scuba tanks are compressed full nice set up. and plugs in to the water main maby a flitration system
Why not use the power supply from the previous video to power one cell only and power the remaining three from your new supply to save money? Also you can make a vacuum pump from two cascaded refrigerator refrigerant pumps...
Actually in the next video I will be powering each cell with it's own power supply. The series setup isn;t working so well, one of the cells gets hotter than the others. I think refrigerator pumps would work great.
Have you watched: th-cam.com/video/REV739pRNcw/w-d-xo.html "Homemade hydrogen generator and compressor unit" and th-cam.com/video/9jhBOxYqJvc/w-d-xo.html "update" He has a lot of little practical solutions to problems that are difficult to anticipate. Hope that helps. (I would bury the compressed hydrogen bottle in the ground, (with suitable plastic to prevent it being damaged by ground water), to limit its eventual access to oxygen.) If you always think, "when this goes wrong in the worst way" rather than " IF " you will be a lot safer. Good luck.
Question: What would happen if you pumped browns gas or pure oxygen into the lye canister during its process? Somewhat recycling the gas. Would the gas purity get much higher enhancing the flow?
Excellent innovación, creatividad e imaginación, gracias por compartir. My friend cuantas placas estas usando por cada generador ? Y cuantas son positivas y negativas? Please .thanks , again
You might want to explain LEL and UEL for those that don't understand that gases are only flammable within their own specific stoichiometric mixture with oxygen. Some gases have wider ranges than others, so its good to always be aware of these values. It sounds like you are saying that hydrogen has a LEL of around 4%? Just looked it up, and yep, hydrogens LEL is 4% by vol. Nice. I was thinking it would have been lower, but that's good to know.
i think you are confusing terms, these are NOT PEM (Proton-exchange membrane fuel cells) AS IN GENERATING ELECTRICITY FROM hydrogen on one side ,and oxygen FROM the other side ,with the byproduct produced being water, these are dry cell electrolysis devices to split water into its two components, that you then feed into a PEM (Proton-exchange membrane fuel cells) as its fuel to make electricity
what are the limits of combustion at high pressures? most limits are using air which is 21 percent oxygen.. I imagine atha pure oxygn that an explosieve mixture could take place more easier.. I think diesel engines can idle at very very low rations.. because of the high compression
Question - Everything I've seen on HHO Generators (mostly the naysayers) state that the process requires more energy to create the Hydrogen than is viable. Especially when using the generators in a vehicle. My thought is that, while a vehicle is running, the battery is charging, hence a cycle of charging the battery while creating the hydrogen, making it viable to use. Am I wrong in my thinking, or are the naysayers wrong? Thanks.
@@Hydrogen4Health So would you say that HHO is not a viable solution to efficiently power a vehicle taking into consideration the cost of gas and the powering of the unit?
Jason Davis No, hho is not a viable solution to “power a vehicle” BUT what hho can do is make the fuel burn more efficiently. Gasoline does all the work and it’s very important to understand that. When gas burns inside the engine most of the power goes to make heat and not much goes to make mechanical energy. What hho can do is make the gas burn more efficiently so it makes more mechanical energy and less heat. Hho should be looked at as a catalyst for the gas to make it burn better. It should never he called a fuel because it’s a horrible fuel and the naysayers are exactly right on this point.
nice vid. do you know what material is used for the electrodes in the PEM? edit: nvm, i just looked at your site, iridium titanium, but i still have a question, is the titanium plated with iridium? also, do you have any kind of visual of how the PEM is put together? like one of those exploded view images? people like details. well, people like me, i guess. thanks in advance
I followed all your videos, it is amazing. I would like to buy one of your electrolyser PEM shown on this video but didn't find it on your website. I have one question regarding the compressor: what is its brand and do you know how the compressor manages not to mix the outside air and the hydrogen. sometimes during compression, a little air can enter with the piston
I have not found a compressor yet but a paintball or scuba compressor might work. you can see the PEM cell here : ddwaterhealth.com/product/pem-generator/
Is there a worry about the oxygen enriched building as the O2 leaves the bubbler? Are you removing the compressor intake muffler and just sucking the gas out directly? Is the compressor a plastic walled cylinder type with some kind of zero clearance rings to keep the Hydrogen from slipping into the crankcase. I built my own system in 2008, and have been sitting on it since retirement (now), for fear of the tiny H atoms, slipping past the pistons during the compression stroke. How high are you going to pressurize the tank? Just worried at higher pressures in the piston tops, might cause more leakage. Any info you send me would be appreciated. Any little failures might keep me from blowing myself up too. I have blown a lot of things up (Purposely), to entertain the kids. I flipped a 2 L bottle upside down and filled it with HO. Lit the bottom with a long (6') match, and thought it blew up, until the bottle came back to earth 25 seconds later. All i got was "AGAIN,AGAIN!
@@Hydrogen4Health 4 volt per cell, 30 amp or so. I figured you ran in series to limit current. In parallel it would be 4 volt be about 120 amp. Also, looking at video of 1 cell you where able to get 1 LPM. I think you could get 4 LPM if you ran individual power source to each cell. Unless you can find 130+ amp power source for 5 volts.
@@jcorrea8597 I run them in series to drop the voltage. These cells run on about 4 volts. If it was setup in parallel 12 volts would be going to each cell and that would damage them quickly..
@@Hydrogen4Health Thank you, and tell me where you bought it, is there any company information, where did you find it, because it is in our interest as a large company to buy such an instrument ?
How explosive is hydrogen? I think that you will only burn the oxygen available. reducing the volume by about 18600 times? quite exothermic but implosive not explosive.
Reaction heat will make sure water remain a gas maybe? Pressure would decrease 1.5 times if the temperature stayed constant but it isn't. It would build up a pressure. Lets check: Standard formation enthalpy of gaseous H2O from H2 and O2: −241.818 kJ/mol (at 25 deg C). Isochoric heat capacity of water vapour is pretty constant 3 to 4 kJ/(kg*K). On average this is about 65 kJ/(mol * K). Ok, so that looks like just 3-4 deg C increase. And the water should condense quickly after that, indeed. Fascinating.
Great video. Absolutely liked it. Now comes the final question... : What is it actually good for? My case is heatimg up a family house like this- I would have to have a MASSIVE storage tank... 1000ands of m3 capacity or, alternatively, super-expensive High-presure tank... We are talking about 400-800 bars - very expensive stuff. That is the achiles toe of this system I would say... One may even run the car like this, however buying it is gonna cost us almost the same and its more comfortable... The only aspect I cant tell right now is : if the energy in terms of Joules comming from a hydrogen gas buning flame could be more EFECTIVE than electric watts running through the electric heater wire coil .... I would say it is the same energy,or even 0,617 less effective than the electricity comming straight from the solar panel on the roof ...mabe I am wrong here. If anybody could answer, I ll be gratefull.
Nice setup. So what do you do with the hydrogen after you store it in the tank? Also how much kg/h you generate? Maybe I am wrong, but 4 cells, each producing 0.9 L/min at normal pressure and temperature, this makes it 216 L/h, which is about 0.019 kg/h. Lets say 15 kg/h, because you probably run these cells at lower voltage than in the previous video (3.75V, vs 4.5V previously). Assuming you use 1000W here, that is well, 1kWh. So 15 kg / kWh. Which is pretty damn good I can say so. In therms of thermal energy (combustion) that you can release from 1kg of hydrogen you get about 33kWh. So from 0.019 kg you get 0.627 kWh. So the efficiency looks pretty decent on its own, about 63%. Of courser this ignores the compressor power usage, which could be a significant issue, but possibly could be resolved by using bigger tanks and lower pressure. Now the question is what is the real combined efficiency for two uses cases: 1) burning and converting to mechanical energy (i.e. to power car) compared to electric motors directly, 2) recovering back electricity via reverse PEM cell, or via gas turbine+generator. If the combined efficiency is high enough, it could be really interesting idea for home energy storage (i.e. from solar power).
What is the economy in your system? how can you justify the energy consumption to produce hydrogen for use say in a car? it seems that you are using an awful lot of power to produce it
15 volts? You can very easily run 2 12 volt belt batteries in a series to achieve a 24 volt system, or even use hydrogen to run/ a generator and run everything needed to produce and bottle more hydrogen, since the batteries could be charged using solar power, water, wind etc etc. In any case you are using clean, free, green energy with the help of good old mother nature, all while leaving her tox
I pray he stay safe, coz storing Hydrogen is very very dangerous, and compressing it too, hydrogen leaks very very easily, coz hydrogen is our building block you can not contain it, and I do not know any flashback arrestor made for hydrogen,
Hi Steve i would.like to introduce u to another guy who is worki g on something similar, maybe you can sharw info REV739pRNcw his name is The DIY Science Guy. Take care.
I love that manifold and tubing set up , and those cells are beautiful .
Thank you!
2:55 incorrect, sir. The platinum is not the catalyst. The DuPont Nafion membrane itself is the catalyst. The platinum deposited on it is just how the electricity reaches the electrolysis site, from the plates. Platinum was chosen because it does not oxidize. The proton exchange membrane (Nafion membrane) serves two purposes. It is a solid polymer electrolyte (as I discussed) but it also serves as the gas separator. Because of its strength and the fact that it's solid, you can build up a fairly high pressure on either side of it.
Sorry but you have that backwards. good observation though. we can learn from each other.
@@Hydrogen4Health Please read the Wikipedia article for Nafion. The membrane contains sulphonic acid (SO3H) groups as part of its structure and that's the catalyst. I'm just trying to help everyone understand it properly. It's probably easy to confuse the platinum for the catalyst because many people are familiar with catalytic converters and in THAT case, the platinum actually is the catalyst. Platinum does not speed up the decomposition of water, though. It's used for its inertness.
You're a mad scientist!!! Great setup, and know how.
Amazing Steve .......simple , a lot safer then the propane , and just for make everyone understand the future of fuel ....free pure fuel .
Awesome fuel but not free
Steve: the LP tank valves are not designed for H size atom. There's always leak even at a very low pressure. However, the NG cylinders are a little better and it can hold over 3k lb. But it had to be stress test certify too often. My opinion is that hg is useful only on demand. For me was more safe and economical to use electricity for recharging li-ion batteries.
Steve, one tip for producing a new gas for combustion on engines. Dissolves the HHO at atmosferic air, you will obtain a gas named Nitrox-H , this misture can be stored and pressured. Make this and write your opnion. Great work. Congratulation man. You are on the right way, i will stay tunned here.
Isn't that gas non flammable. I don't get it. Are there others experimenting with this gas?
@@Hydrogen4Health Yes man. We have many videos to show how You can control the concentration of oxigen, if you mixing tha HHO with a fish tank bubbler to obtain small bubles and dissolves the gas with Nitrogen of Atmosferic air. Is not the same thing of inject at intake of engine. The mixture reveives the name of Nitrox-H. Is the enrichment of hidrogen particles and pure oxigen particles.
@@Hydrogen4Health the resulyant gas of nitrogen mixing will promote the full burn of all combustive but without senaibilize the lambd probe. Quantity of Nitrox-H that you inject is proportiinal your economy obtained.
Interesting. Be safe. Dangerous games though. All the best.
Very good Mr.Steve
The tanks may come with Ethanethiol isnide of them , it boils at 97 deg if you ever need to get it out
Thank you 😊 I’ll be watching you...
I have a suggestion for you . you wont be able to get all the oxygen out of the tank with a vacuum pump but you could purge the tank with nitrogen or co2 and then vac it down for extra protection
I'm sure that would work great!
awesome video, another thought on the tank, a lot of people suggested turning it upside down, you could avoid that by using a tank setup like a refrigerant tank with a dip tube, so you could draw the heavier gases, IE O2 from the bottom . Another great video!
Membrane is semi permeable. Allowing ions through but not electrons.
wow! I got myself a browns gas machine from a different source respectfully I won't say who but since than I have been wanting to create a storage for the gas. Low and behold you have actually done exactly what i have been thinking about. Amazing a great work.
Great setup! But compressing hydrogen is dangerous
Thanks for all the video. Can you do a more portable and budget friendly unit project? That you could sell to many many more people? Thanks
Why don't those storage tanks have relief valves for safety? I'm guessing the explosion will be so fast that it will render it useless.
Hi Steve
nice video,love to watch the stuff you do.
just wondering what it would cost in electricity to fill up that tank. would it be worth it?
@@duanearbuckle4683 Simply NO - convert the electricity to hydrogen = 30% losses, compress and transport the hydrogen = 25% losses. But if you have FREE energy (solar/wind etc.) then you can STORAGE it (witch is very hard with energy - electricity) for later use.
see bob lazar,s set up he ha,s an outside commercial system 4 scuba tanks in the back he says he gets about 400 miles. he plugs in and in 8 hours the 4 scuba tanks are compressed full nice set up. and plugs in to the water main maby a flitration system
Could you actually do a video of the hydrogen generators running an engine??
Hello verry good video from where can i buy the fuelcells
Here: www.greenfuelh2o.com/product/pem-h2-generator-99-95-pure/
Why not use the power supply from the previous video to power one cell only and power the remaining three from your new supply to save money? Also you can make a vacuum pump from two cascaded refrigerator refrigerant pumps...
Actually in the next video I will be powering each cell with it's own power supply. The series setup isn;t working so well, one of the cells gets hotter than the others.
I think refrigerator pumps would work great.
Have you watched: th-cam.com/video/REV739pRNcw/w-d-xo.html "Homemade hydrogen generator and compressor unit" and th-cam.com/video/9jhBOxYqJvc/w-d-xo.html "update" He has a lot of little practical solutions to problems that are difficult to anticipate. Hope that helps. (I would bury the compressed hydrogen bottle in the ground, (with suitable plastic to prevent it being damaged by ground water), to limit its eventual access to oxygen.) If you always think, "when this goes wrong in the worst way" rather than " IF " you will be a lot safer. Good luck.
What is the compression if any when you say it produces at say 1.5 ltr pr min? Is that at atmosphere, psi, bar?
Very cool, stay alive.
Question: What would happen if you pumped browns gas or pure oxygen into the lye canister during its process? Somewhat recycling the gas. Would the gas purity get much higher enhancing the flow?
Thank you for documenting
Excellent innovación, creatividad e imaginación, gracias por compartir.
My friend cuantas placas estas usando por cada generador ?
Y cuantas son positivas y negativas?
Please
.thanks , again
Can I press a gas stove using a refrigerator compressor?
Haven't you tried to have your PEM cells self pressurize on their own without a compressor? Some are able to self pressurize up to 80 bar.
You might want to explain LEL and UEL for those that don't understand that gases are only flammable within their own specific stoichiometric mixture with oxygen. Some gases have wider ranges than others, so its good to always be aware of these values. It sounds like you are saying that hydrogen has a LEL of around 4%?
Just looked it up, and yep, hydrogens LEL is 4% by vol. Nice. I was thinking it would have been lower, but that's good to know.
I think everyone listening to these videos understands that you want no more than 4% oxygen in the H2 gas.
THIS IS NOT AVAILABLE ON YOUR SITE???
Available at www.greenfuelh2o.com
Amps?
How can hydrogen gas pressure inside the bottle?
Hi hop you be fine . Do we need no chemical to compress h2 . If not . Icould be dangerous
Is reverse osmosis water suitable for use with the PEM electrolyzer?
Use only distilled water.
how long will the platinum membrane last
i think you are confusing terms, these are NOT PEM (Proton-exchange membrane fuel cells) AS IN GENERATING ELECTRICITY FROM hydrogen on one side ,and oxygen FROM the other side ,with the byproduct produced being water, these are dry cell electrolysis devices to split water into its two components, that you then feed into a PEM (Proton-exchange membrane fuel cells) as its fuel to make electricity
Indeed it is a PEM electrolyzer. No fuel cell here.
@Jay Andrew Haven't tried this but I'm thinking some electricity would be produced.
I would go with hydride tanks, much safer!!
The blaster bomb 😁
Yikes. Sure hope there is another video, just concerned for your safety💥
Because the new membrane is no longer permeable, could you theoretically capture and compress the oxygen as well as hydrogen?
what are the limits of combustion at high pressures? most limits are using air which is 21 percent oxygen.. I imagine atha pure oxygn that an explosieve mixture could take place more easier.. I think diesel engines can idle at very very low rations..
because of the high compression
what is the membrane made from
It's made by DuPont.
Question - Everything I've seen on HHO Generators (mostly the naysayers) state that the process requires more energy to create the Hydrogen than is viable. Especially when using the generators in a vehicle. My thought is that, while a vehicle is running, the battery is charging, hence a cycle of charging the battery while creating the hydrogen, making it viable to use. Am I wrong in my thinking, or are the naysayers wrong? Thanks.
Jason Davis nothing runs at 100% efficiency and the alternator generates drag that uses horsepower. They are part right and part wrong.
@@Hydrogen4Health So would you say that HHO is not a viable solution to efficiently power a vehicle taking into consideration the cost of gas and the powering of the unit?
Jason Davis No, hho is not a viable solution to “power a vehicle” BUT what hho can do is make the fuel burn more efficiently. Gasoline does all the work and it’s very important to understand that. When gas burns inside the engine most of the power goes to make heat and not much goes to make mechanical energy. What hho can do is make the gas burn more efficiently so it makes more mechanical energy and less heat.
Hho should be looked at as a catalyst for the gas to make it burn better. It should never he called a fuel because it’s a horrible fuel and the naysayers are exactly right on this point.
@@Hydrogen4Health thanks for clearing that up
😀
Please upload the how to make PEM cell setup
This is great. Where can I buy the gas-liquid separator demonstrated here? Thank you in advance.
Here: www.greenfuelh2o.com
@@Hydrogen4Health I didn't find the separator on the website. Can you please share the link? It will be much appreciated.
How long do those membranes last?
Supposed to last 5 years.
nice vid. do you know what material is used for the electrodes in the PEM? edit: nvm, i just looked at your site, iridium titanium, but i still have a question, is the titanium plated with iridium? also, do you have any kind of visual of how the PEM is put together? like one of those exploded view images? people like details. well, people like me, i guess. thanks in advance
Private Confidential no the membrane is coated with iridium on one side and platinum on the other.
@@Hydrogen4Health alright. if you ran one continuously, how long would it last?
I followed all your videos, it is amazing. I would like to buy one of your electrolyser PEM shown on this video but didn't find it on your website. I have one question regarding the compressor: what is its brand and do you know how the compressor manages not to mix the outside air and the hydrogen. sometimes during compression, a little air can enter with the piston
I have not found a compressor yet but a paintball or scuba compressor might work. you can see the PEM cell here : ddwaterhealth.com/product/pem-generator/
@@Hydrogen4Health thanks for the link, how to do produce distilled water in parallel of hydrogen ? reverse osmosis device ?
Is there a worry about the oxygen enriched building as the O2 leaves the bubbler?
Are you removing the compressor intake muffler and just sucking the gas out directly?
Is the compressor a plastic walled cylinder type with some kind of zero clearance rings to keep the Hydrogen from slipping into the crankcase. I built my own system in 2008, and have been sitting on it since retirement (now), for fear of the tiny H atoms, slipping past the pistons during the compression stroke. How high are you going to pressurize the tank? Just worried at higher pressures in the piston tops, might cause more leakage. Any info you send me would be appreciated. Any little failures might keep me from blowing myself up too. I have blown a lot of things up (Purposely), to entertain the kids. I flipped a 2 L bottle upside down and filled it with HO. Lit the bottom with a long (6') match, and thought it blew up, until the bottle came back to earth 25 seconds later. All i got was "AGAIN,AGAIN!
Always do this in a well ventilated area. Hydrogen will dissipate into the air quickly making it safe. crankcase ventilation is a must.
4000 usd for this ? and can you run you car ?
What type of membrane do you use??
And where can you purchase it.
Looking to build, but I'm behind schedule.
Nafion 117
i just hope your using a scale under that bottle. i just want to make enought to run my truck that way i am not storing it.
Why electrically connect in series?
J Correa each cell uses about 4 volts.
@@Hydrogen4Health 4 volt per cell, 30 amp or so.
I figured you ran in series to limit current. In parallel it would be 4 volt be about 120 amp.
Also, looking at video of 1 cell you where able to get 1 LPM. I think you could get 4 LPM if you ran individual power source to each cell. Unless you can find 130+ amp power source for 5 volts.
@@jcorrea8597 I run them in series to drop the voltage. These cells run on about 4 volts. If it was setup in parallel 12 volts would be going to each cell and that would damage them quickly..
Because it is easier to deliver 15V at 30A, than 4V at 120A.
Respect. I wonder where you can buy a hydrogen analyzer? And that gas analyzer that you use, did you make it or did you buy it?
I bought it about 10 years ago.
@@Hydrogen4Health Thank you, and tell me where you bought it, is there any company information, where did you find it, because it is in our interest as a large company to buy such an instrument ?
How explosive is hydrogen? I think that you will only burn the oxygen available. reducing the volume by about 18600 times? quite exothermic but implosive not explosive.
Reaction heat will make sure water remain a gas maybe? Pressure would decrease 1.5 times if the temperature stayed constant but it isn't. It would build up a pressure. Lets check:
Standard formation enthalpy of gaseous H2O from H2 and O2: −241.818 kJ/mol (at 25 deg C).
Isochoric heat capacity of water vapour is pretty constant 3 to 4 kJ/(kg*K). On average this is about 65 kJ/(mol * K).
Ok, so that looks like just 3-4 deg C increase. And the water should condense quickly after that, indeed. Fascinating.
Great video. Absolutely liked it. Now comes the final question... : What is it actually good for? My case is heatimg up a family house like this- I would have to have a MASSIVE storage tank... 1000ands of m3 capacity or, alternatively, super-expensive High-presure tank... We are talking about 400-800 bars - very expensive stuff. That is the achiles toe of this system I would say... One may even run the car like this, however buying it is gonna cost us almost the same and its more comfortable...
The only aspect I cant tell right now is : if the energy in terms of Joules comming from a hydrogen gas buning flame could be more EFECTIVE than electric watts running through the electric heater wire coil ....
I would say it is the same energy,or even 0,617 less effective than the electricity comming straight from the solar panel on the roof ...mabe I am wrong here.
If anybody could answer, I ll be gratefull.
Gotta ask!! Is this a cost effective fuel, producing in this mannor?
This is probably the cheapest way to make hydrogen at home long term.
Wow this set upd is maybe $5k?., how can that compet with NG?or Lp?
Nice video..thank u..
Nice setup. So what do you do with the hydrogen after you store it in the tank?
Also how much kg/h you generate? Maybe I am wrong, but 4 cells, each producing 0.9 L/min at normal pressure and temperature, this makes it 216 L/h, which is about 0.019 kg/h. Lets say 15 kg/h, because you probably run these cells at lower voltage than in the previous video (3.75V, vs 4.5V previously). Assuming you use 1000W here, that is well, 1kWh. So 15 kg / kWh. Which is pretty damn good I can say so.
In therms of thermal energy (combustion) that you can release from 1kg of hydrogen you get about 33kWh. So from 0.019 kg you get 0.627 kWh. So the efficiency looks pretty decent on its own, about 63%.
Of courser this ignores the compressor power usage, which could be a significant issue, but possibly could be resolved by using bigger tanks and lower pressure.
Now the question is what is the real combined efficiency for two uses cases: 1) burning and converting to mechanical energy (i.e. to power car) compared to electric motors directly, 2) recovering back electricity via reverse PEM cell, or via gas turbine+generator. If the combined efficiency is high enough, it could be really interesting idea for home energy storage (i.e. from solar power).
Man... i would surround the compressor in co2 or nitrogen.. any oxygen contamination would be catastrophic.
Would you elaborate?
100 gal 3800 liter ÷ 2 lpm. x 1.3
1900min x 1.3 (compress)2670 min
÷ 60 = 44hr 1.8 day
Run v8 for 61 minutes
mad scientist
What is the economy in your system? how can you justify the energy consumption to produce hydrogen for use say in a car? it seems that you are using an awful lot of power to produce it
This is not intended for a car but you can use it there if you want. Much more efficient than a HHO generator.
15 volts? You can very easily run 2 12 volt belt batteries in a series to achieve a 24 volt system, or even use hydrogen to run/ a generator and run everything needed to produce and bottle more hydrogen, since the batteries could be charged using solar power, water, wind etc etc. In any case you are using clean, free, green energy with the help of good old mother nature, all while leaving her tox
take that tank and put it as far from you as you can
iv made a bomb before trust me theres no stopping it, no time to react at all.
Hydrogen cannot burn without oxygen.
Whoa, that setup looks awesome! Is there a place that I can buy those fuel cells?
Yes you can purchase them here : www.greenfuelh2o.com/product-category/pem-generators/
I pray he stay safe, coz storing Hydrogen is very very dangerous, and compressing it too, hydrogen leaks very very easily, coz hydrogen is our building block you can not contain it, and I do not know any flashback arrestor made for hydrogen,
Compliments but without my Pure Water it will never be viable your welcome to contact me in regards.
Hi Steve, tried sending you an email (info@greenfuelh20.com) but the email address isn't valid. Can you advise please. Thanks.
Hi Steve i would.like to introduce u to another guy who is worki g on something similar, maybe you can sharw info
REV739pRNcw his name is The DIY Science Guy.
Take care.
Hi hop you be fine . How much per minte total pure hydrogen . How much electricity do we need . Thnx