I think pre installing linux is really important. You can argue that "linux can do what windows can do", but windows can do what windows can do. Why switch to do the same thing? If it was pre-installed, it would be the other way around. Why switch, and have to pay to do so, to windows, when linux does all I need it to.
@@odizzido I don't think that it is them not paying for windows, more so they are not getting paid to pre install bloat on their PCs. Dell for example, offers Ubuntu on their PCs...for an extra £200 than windows because they don't get paid to put mcaffee, etc. on there
Because Linux (except red hat) doesn't require any end use to buy a stupid product/license key + their privacy is respected+ they...the END USER... actually OWNS and has FULL control over his or her PC..not some stupid corporation
@@ArunG273 I am sure more of them are going to be Web apps. While yes, lots of people (myself included) prefer a desktop version, having a Web app makes it more compelling to move
I think the release of that Razer Linux laptop and the steam deck plays a crucial role on Linux's name. Linux may not beat other OSes but the fact that Linux is still alive and doing better and better throughout the years is just remarkable and that is already a great feat. No need for comparisons, just the fact that people still loves and cares about it is priceless
There have been attempts before in the big box stores with PCs pre- installed with Linspire, Lindows, and Xandros but that was over a decade ago. Even most regular Linux uses stayed away from those systems then.
@@shawnjefferson692 I wonder why? Were they big brands laptops like Dell and HP? Also, I think today's Linux desktop is much better than before, and can be visually appealing to so many people.
@@shawnjefferson692 The issue with those prior attempts at selling pre-installed Linux retail was that none of those machines were actually displayed on the retail floor. Customers had to know what they wanted and request them. They could not try them before they bought them. I remember specifically asking and finding out that Best Buy was restricted and could not have them on display, even though they were selling them.
@@LDavis You are right about most models, I remember seeing them mostly in the Sunday sales paper for Walmart but I for sure recall seeing, for about a minute, the Linspire models on shelves. Did not know much about specs then (mid 2000s) but even I thought they were underpowered rigs. I also bought a stand alone copy of Xandros to play with right before COMPUSA closed. Ahhh memories. 😊
The day Windows dies is the day Billy G bloats us with open source Windows. There needs to be a reason for people to switch. On gaming, if Linux increase FPS I'm sure many gamers will switch. On the issue of Office and Adobe I'm not sure
@@burhanbudak6041 Wanting offline is old fashioned? I'm pretty sure wanting the ability to use your programs that you use for work without an internet connection is just common sense.
For me the issue with Linux always has been 1. NVIDIA 2. Gaming, especially games that use DirectX, Anti-Cheat, and games that are not available on Steam
For me the issue is sound engineering. Linux simply isn't there for us sound engineers. Yeah there is Reaper and Ardour, but ProTools, the industry standard, is only available on Windows and Macs. And VST support is almost non-existent, and wine unfortunately doesn't run these well. Carla is a good option, but again, industry standards. And the hardware used, there is simply no driver support there.
Anti-cheat is the real pain. Linux's open source nature are actually likely to instead drive away multiplayer games because the devs can't trust the kernel or the drivers to not be tampered for anti-cheating purposes, as happens on Windows where GPU drivers tampering for cheating purposes are common. I only see ChromeOS being properly supported for multiplayer gaming because such low level tampering is out of the question there.
1. Nvidia is a horrible crooked company. They've always pushed AGAINST open source. Amd GPU drivers are BUILT into the Linux kernel and use the Mesa stack. 2. Some E.A.C games.work...some don't. Personally could r care any less because it doesn't affect me because.ive winged myself off of online only games..with the except of CS:GO. Every other game I've encountered and added.to my Library just works or I've gotten to work just as well as within windows using wine/lutris or it just works in Steam.
Because I normally don't play online multi-player or any competitive game, I generally don't have issues with anti-cheat. And all games I tried via Proton work for me. Funnily I have some windows games which didn't work on windows (due to bad codeing using static paths instead of environment variables) work with Proton. But I agree Nvidia is 🍆 when it comes to Linux. I consider getting a new AMD GPU just to have a better experience on Linux. The 1070ti is more than good enough for my purpose, but no good Wayland support, no dlss, no whatever proprietary features nvidea has locked out for Linux. But even with all the disadvantages I still use Linux. I actually switched to Linux because I had GPU memory leaks in cities skyline and was to lazy to figure out which of my many thousands workshop assets caused the memory leaks.
That's already changing. Big online titles like Apex Legends work online no problem. Nvidia drivers with proton support is better than it ever has been. It has grown leaps and bounds the past couple years and its only going to get better. With windows baking ads into the OS and giving you less and less privacy will push a lot more people to Linux and more importantly, more devs.
I tried Fedora 36 on my laptop last week after seeying several videos , and altough i'm a very experienced windows user and tried linux often in the past 30y i 't took me way to much time to finally get it installed (from a windows user perspective). I also failed to get my nvdia gpu running, which worked just fine on Zorin and Ubuntu which i also tried, i stick with Ubuntu for a bit now which works well for my daily web browsing and other general activities. For my desktop ill stick with windows, i use programs and play games that are not supported by linux and i don't see the point in using a emulator for doing so.
Comparing pre-installed OSes vs OSes installed by the user without manufacturer support may not be fair, but it's the reality of the current situation. I think it makes sense to be pragmatic about these things and accept that few manufacturers in the near future will ship hardware with Linux be default. This kind of pragmatism is important - just look at why Linux succeeded over GNU Hurd.
As you say, Linux use is a catch-22: The average Joe won't use something they can't buy off a shelf and have it working out of the box. But manufacturers are not going to put something on a shelf that works out of the box until interest increases. The community is growing exponentially (doubling a dozen users is still tiny, but it _is_ exponential growth), to the point where boutique companies like System76 are starting to offer Linux laptops. We are early in the decade of the Linux desktop.
No, no. OEMs do and have tried to sell Linux laptops, but there are restrictions from Microsoft. Manufacturers that sell pre-installed Windows laptops have to abide by certain restrictions or else they lose the ability to pre-install Windows. It is no accident that System 76 does not sell Windows pre-installed laptops. If they did, they too would have to play the game, and it would be much harder to find those Linux laptop options. They make great hardware, and doesn't it seem just a little bit odd that not a single one of their laptops comes with Windows on it?
@@LDavis That's really interesting, and makes a lot of sense when I think about it. One could argue it's an anti-competitive move by a company with a stranglehold on the market, so we need to show support for companies who are willing to take the plunge like System76, and chip away at that Windows marketshare. Get a better deal for everyone.
@@LDavis So how did Lenovo, Dell and Razor pull it off? MSFT certainly doesn't want you to sell Linux laptops, but I don't think it is willing to make itself show in court for this.
Important points: 1) People who just want a browser to acess internet are going to use a Smartphone or tablet in the near future. 2) Printers support is better on Linux than windows, way easier to find a old printers (I dual boot daily). 3) Linux lacks some professional software. You can't choose what to use, your company says I want that on Tableu you will have to use Windows. 4) Linux desperately needs better tutorials. People won't use an OS that doesn't have easy to follow for dummies tutorials on how to solve problems.
@@ArunG273 afaik there were a lot of Windows tutorials back in the day. actually, it was in the days of XP, when people would, at least in my country, witness the boom of computer popularity.
In my opinion, Microsoft's documentation is usually either terrible or hidden behind a steep paywall. Most of Windows' dummy-friendliness is likely due to it's large userbase providing support to itself (and the money that can be made from it). Linux has great community resources too (e.g. the ArchWiki), but these tend to be closer to manual than step-by-step tutorials. Additionally people need to go out of their way to find these resources, due to lack of an easy step-by-step answer. On the note of Linux hardware though; the story doesn't end with "ship it with Linux and provide vendor drivers". Tuxedo does this with Clevo already and it still feels unsupported. For decades, Desktop PC hardware has been tailored towards Windows because Microsoft struck deals with e.g. Intel to implement hardware-level mechanisms like their driver API, secure boot, the dreaded Intel Management Engine etc. For a true, fair comparison. Linux not only needs metal, it needs dedicated silicon, which only embedded and supercomputer systems have dared to do yet.
I dunno about printers. Older ones that let the host do all the work still have issues. Mum's printer is one such offender (a Fuji Xerox Docuprint CP105b). At least in my experiments with Linux Mint.
Also remember, there are people that must use tools from a closed ecosystem (like the whole Office suite) and doing that on Linux sometimes isn't worth the hassle. I say this because I got a friend of mine to use Linux and she liked it a lot, but when she had to work from home, she didn't get a work computer, and seeing if MS Access would work on Linux with the tool she needed to use for grading students wasn't worth it. She had to come back to Windows once again, but this because a whole educational system was relying everything on (outdated) Office apps, and she couldn't afford to lose her job.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I did that for years, but a non-techie does not want to bother with such things. A computer is a tool for them to do a specific job, having to maintain two OS and your data across those is a waste of time. They usually don't care enough about the OS to put up with that.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Oh so you are that "minority" linux guy so many beginners talk about who pushes away "non-techies" from linux. Glad I saw one in this lifetime. A rare breed indeed
@@terrydaktyllus1320 What you are describing is a waste of time to anyone who has real work to get done. Even if Linux runs 99% of your software needs, why would you use it if Windows runs 100% of your software needs?
I've been running Kubuntu sense version 18.04 and am currently on version 22.04 and it's just rock solid stable. I never worry about running out of resources or crashes. I rarely need to reboot (even though I do it anyway) but I take it down for a reboot only once every few months. I love linux!
Just made the jump to Fedora, I'm really happy. Previously I had always been held back by the requirement to have MS Office for work. In my case the solution was... give up work :) A big problem for Linux is that Companies cling onto the belief that they need the power of Office. If you are going to knock out a crap spreadsheet, you may as well do it on free(open) software. I use SoftMaker Office by the way, It's excellent. (yes I paid, it was worth it) Another problem is the command line. Go on-line to get help and it will always say "On Fedora, first type in 'sudo dnf install... For Ubuntu however do this...' " This is really scary to the average user, who really want their computers to be like a washing machine or toaster. And then we have marketing. The open source community will never be able to compete with the billion dollar marketing budgets of Microsoft and Apple. It's sad to think that of the $100 you spent on Windows 11, $50 was probably used to sell it to you(I just made those numbers up). That's the real free market for you.
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not only to you, but also in school environment. The deals MS and Google make to offer a cloud system to a school must be crazy. And what best to use onedrive or Googledrive? a windows or chromeOS machine. at a discount. When kids start thinking about what they want... its already too late... they got used to it.
@@vishalv9699 But we have professional software. Your original statement was not about specific software. You only said if professional software comes to Linux, at we have ton of professional software.
@keithsze001 It is. But besides that, are you only talking about Adobe Software? I am talking about your initial post that you speak about professional software. Linux has professional software. So your initial statement is not true then. Your second statement made in the comment section about Adobe software is a different topic. Not everyone uses Adobe software, in fact most people do not on Windows. It is just a few people. And many people can just switch to free and open source alternartives on Linux, but they don't know that they can. That is the problem.
I installed Manjaro KDE on my sister's laptop and she didn't notice difference and easily uses it, also I recommend Mint (and anything with KDE, like Kubuntu etc)
I remember a lecture by Linus Torvalds about how the linux desktop will never grow unless it's pre-installed on systems people buy in store. I think that if there was demo linux machines next to the Macs and Windows computers in best buy and Walmart, the fancy desktop environment and (maybe) lower price with similar or better performance on lower end hardware would make it a compelling offer to people who aren't tech savvy and just want to pick up a computer and go.
another usp that needs to spoken more about is how installing linux by default would make the hardware atleast a 100 usd cheaper. That is what will attract more customers.
@@udittlamba exactly! I know the major brands get huge discounts on their windows installs since Microsoft gets user data, but it would be a bit cheaper. Not only that, but it could run on lower spec hardware as well. Just cheaper in general
@@udittlamba It wouldn't because OEM's don't pay that much for Windows and offset that by installing bloatware. And a 100$ cheaper would not measure up for the fear of an App they need not being available for Linux.
Windows 10 will for many be the last Windows OS they use before dipping their toes into the world of Linux due to how Windows 11 removes options and adds advertisements baked into the OS, so I have a feeling when support for Windows 10 ends, enough power users and devs have jumped on to smooth out Linux's current weaknesses and make it a decent replacement for Windows.
@Aarón "W11 bad" was basically the last straw that saw me switching, and I suspect that will be true for plenty of people. It's far from the only or entire reason, It's just the point at which it became very clear that Windows was Not going to get better (previously, if there was a bad version of windows, you just waited for the next one. Now, not so much.)
Sadly, not really true. I and many others are counted as Windows 11 users, and have a license we were forced to pay for to get the computer we wanted... our computers came with it on there already. I wiped it and installed Linux, but of course for "market share" I am still counted in the Windows numbers... so many people will use Windows 11 and later to the outside world, even if they only boot it once or twice and wipe it off.
As someone who's tried and been impressed by linux, i still have to say that it isn't ready. Right after installation, my second display just didnt work at all. Being someone who knows more about technology than average, i knew i should try switching drivers, and it worked, but most people wouldnt think of that. Additionally, almost every website for an app just tells you a command to type in, and some times it only installs a server version and doesnt offer a client (like wireguard). While i get that it's not that hard to type one command in the terminal, users shouldn't have to do that. (Also, the package manager sometimes has weird names like 'Add / Remove Software", when most people are just looking fore something alog the lines of "store" or "shop". ) While it doesn't bother me too much, things like these make me see why most people dont use linux.
Well the first point is already discussed in the video. That " Comparissons being unfair " cause of Devices not supporting Linux is the answer. Your display didn't work. Why? Driver didn't work. Why? Driver wasn't supplied. ( And even on Windows, I have to install drivers manually to use external monitor, so you can't say this is a Linux problem anyway. ) The second point is documentation. Not explicitly related to the OS, but does affect it. This, i agree, despeperately needs improvement and is an actuall problem.
And some people still like to play DVDs - they may have hundreds of them. For me it's a breeze to follow the steps needed to play these. For the new linux user it would be a discouraging nightmare. Same with Linux Wine.
@@yty-p9k That's exactly what he said in that part. Linux is not an alternative to windows. Linux is linux. Big difference between Win/Mac and Linux. Also, Linux for now isn't for non-technical people, who know nothing about tech (one should know tech, if he owns one).
The year of the Linux desktop isn't something we will see happening, it will just happen one day, and then we will look back and think "that was the year of the Linux desktop", it will be seamless, with no warning, no fuss, no mass migration. Anyone who says it different is delusional.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I'm not wrong - there was even a whole video about that at Lunduke's channel. I don't remember the exact conclusion but it wasn't that Linux is getting more popular.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 unfortunately, he deleted plenty of videos and I can't find this video right now. It is an old one anyway. In any case, I don't see Linux Desktop becoming drastically more popular in the next several years. Because of many reasons.
I agree with the reasons why Year of Linux desktop will never come in near future. Bad marketing , toxic people of community who hates anything new or standardized ( sysd , flatpaks etc ) and big vendor support . I hope we will get thought all the hurdles and i am pretty sure once Linux becomes more mainstream those elitist people will move to something like BSD reducing the gatekeeping.
Ubuntu is much more locked down Microshit want to be . Ya don't have to have it already installed for it to be a viable option. It's not like it's difficult to create a USB thing drive installation media for it or better yet Linux Mint cinnamon Seriously..all good vibes meant. I will happy walk you through the installation process if ya need.
@@motoryzen in Poland you can already get laptops with no OS installed on it. i guess they are overlooked, as many people just want an OS to be already installed and configured.
@@motoryzen I use Linux every day, friend. I challenge you to teach my grandmother to set up a live usb and install Linux. Also, Ubuntu is fine. It is your best bet if you are a computer novice, for sure just because it is the best documented Linux distro by far. Hardware is the key. Assuming people are going to install their own operating systems to the point of Linux mass adoption is the same as assuming that you could come up with a neat engine design and have people just swap out motors in their personal vehicle. It just won’t happen. You might be able to sell someone on it who is car shopping, and if you can sell enough then your idea will take off. No. To get people to use your thing, you have them buy it on hardware that it is designed for. This is just how it works. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Good video! I'm finally back on Linux on my laptop at home after many years of using it at work. It definitely revived the life of my laptop and I'm happy that so far most of my games still work on the laptop using Wine/Proton. Years ago I had my house all on linux until I made the fatal mistake of upgrading to KDE 4.0, and my wife was quite pissed at losing her iPad/iPod connectivity to Amarok. Linux's name was mud in my household for years even though I continued to use it as a MythTV backend/minecraft server for years.
The year of the Linux desktop is when 90% of windows programs/games are made for Linux too, the reason I care about more people using Linux is just so it gets more support by companies
One issues I always have had for a while with Linux is the power management. When installing it on a laptop, the expected behavior of 'Close to Sleep' has never worked right for me - or will work in one release, and break in the next. If things have changed recently, I'd be happy to try again and see the results. On the app side, I use Photoshop a lot. I know that GIMP is a good replacement for Photoshop, but the plugin ecosystem for Photoshop is really where it shines. Sure, GIMP may cover 80% of what Photoshop does, but when 80% of my workflow is in that 20%, it is hard to switch. To really switch to Linux full time, not only would the apps need to be runnable, but the helper apps need to run too. I've been using Linux since 1999. Many of these arguments for why Linux isn't quite there today are the same ones used for the last 10-15 years.
2022 is the year I switched to linux. I am happy with it and now I don't have to fight with microsoft which is great. Pop_OS just does what I ask and works.
Linux continues to improve, and has come a long way. It is simply amazing what has been accomplished using open source. I think the biggest obstacle now is support from hardware and peripheral manufacturers. Also, there are certain bugs that have been around for a long time that still persist.
For me "The Year of Linux Desktop" was 2020. That was the year I realised I can do 100% of my usecases with linux and I lost all interest in Windows development. All my games run perfectly fine via proton or wine, LibreOffice is perfect for my needs and so on. Sure - not everything is perfect but those minor annoyances are something I can live with and accept. So yeah 2020 was MY year of Linux desktop and I'm not looking back.
For me it's this year. Wayland and pipewire are starting to become mature enough to be used and I love it. Multi monitor support with different refresh rates and resolutions (including vrr support) is now an option which I kind of needed for my setup. That alone is huge, especially for gamers that have multiple monitors and want to use freesync/gsync. It will only get better when more distros and DE's will ship with wayland by default like ubuntu and fedora are doing already.
i really want to permanently switch to Linux and have already tried many times (with at least 3 attempts being full-blown Arch, but quite a few attempts being Ubuntu), but audio support is lacking, and (most critically) my video editor (VEGAS Pro) is entirely Windows-bound and i'm not aware of other NLEs that have both a global motion keyframe system (which i very heavily use) and a large array of video effects. because of this, even linux evangelists recommended me to stick with Windows.
The term originated around 1998 and, at that time, software shelves were crammed with boxes of packaged distros (mostly Red Hat). So IMHO the "Year of the Linux Desktop" already happened and is long gone.
I've done a case study on my relative, I've given her my old laptop running Kubuntu (she was used to working just with windows). After polishing out a few small things (there is no well usable and user-friendly-installable OneDrive client - someone should do that), she just got used to it. I don't think there is any barrier to entry except the lack of reason to even be interested in changing anything at all. Most people just don't put a single thought into what they use, and they wouldn't mind using anything else, besides perhaps the usual "it looks different" (but there are chromebooks, and no one seems to have a problem with them). If a mainstream brand was willing to sell huge amounts of cheap linux laptops, we could get a good market share pretty easily, I don't see a huge problem there.
The problem is that putting a bunch of “cheap Linux laptops” out in the market would make many lay people believe Linux is an OS for cheaper computers, like the Netbook hype around 2008 - 2010. A good company would need to build cheaper AND premium Linux computers to dispel that notion, and that requires a lot of money…
@@cameronbosch1213 True, but you can get linux to huge masses only through the cheap and mid-range kind of devices. Selling such a beast with 3080Ti is not going to change anything.
@The Linux Experiment thank you for keeping your format and not going to full time steam deck content like other Linux channels i follow, I am very happy about the steam deck and pre-ordered for my kids but the max interest I have in gaming is superTuxKart 20 min a week
I agree that the problem with Linux adoption is that it rarely comes preinstalled. I've switched a few people to Linux over the years, and they found that they preferred it over Windows due to having fewer problems. For most people, once the applications they need are available, they are happy.
This phrase is used by writers who think that they might switch their windows/macos for Linux soon. But there seem to be always some showstopper for them to do the move so they keep dreaming about it year by year...
My primary desktop is likely going to continue being a Windows machine due to work, market share & decades of native apps. A lot of my Windows software started on Linux first. Where Linux really shines for me is the many secondary machines in my life & it's becoming much easier to switch between the two. My approach now is default to Linux until I "need" Windows. What really gave me that push was installing TwisterOS on a Pi400 & how much Linux has improved since my last attempt a decade ago. Since then everything outside of my main desktop is Linux.
Year of the Linux desktop will be when Office products work on Linux. Companies rely on it. Adobe products not working is fine as people use macs anyway due to hardware. Gaming not working is not important for Linux desktop as you do not game during work. We need a company that uses Linux to drive things forward
If TL;DR, just skip to last paragraph. I've used Libre Office (and Open Office before it was forked) and it's a quality product. I readily admit that I don't know what features of MS Office are most needed and if Libre Office can cover all of it - I believe it's not compatible with MS Office scripting languages, but I think it has it's own scripting system. So far I haven't gotten an MS Office document that Libre Office can't open and show it correctly - long time ago I remember that document that I have saved in MS Office format didn't look correct when actually opened in MS Office. But that was long long time ago when Open Office was relatively new in the 00's and it's gone long way in over decade of time. I think if a company seriously moved to Libre Office and at least internally drop using MS Office document formats, most of them could do everything they need to. If they need to send documents to 3rd parties they are dealing with they could then save them in MS Office format. Does MS Office support OpenDocument (ODF) format or are they still ignoring it? Well, Libre Office supports several MS Office formats anyway. However the problem is that such switch needs time and educating workers to use new software. It's costly. Some countries have planned, at least one has actually done a switch from MS Office to Open Source software in government ran places (I couldn't find a better word at the moment). That shows that it is possible, but I don't see the companies being too eager to invest in this switch. The road that MS has taken with Windows might cause some companies to move away from it, but I'm not expecting a huge rush - I think most will still keep using what they have already in use. There needs to be incentive to make them consider alternatives, and no matter what I think about it, they are not seeing one at the moment. But for most companies office application needs a quality alternative for MS Office does exist, but that's not enough to make them switch to Linux. And some companies might move to Libre Office, but in Windows - I've actually seen just that happen once.
To be honest sometimes (Debian stable, with old stuffs) hardware support is better than the preinstalled on windows... On my low end (intel) laptop I never achieved to have the hardware acceleration working on windows, I thought the PC was broken, but with Linux it works perfectly! So, if you didn't yet, give Linux a try!
6:04 I disagree, on a sample size of one: I bought a Windows laptop, but what ultimately led me to switch it to Linux was that, well, Windows broke so spectacularly it was just easier to switch
I was using Windows 95 until 2002, LOL. I tried switching to OS/2 WARP 4 in '97 and it was an *awesome* OS - I wouldn't replace Linux with it, but I'd like to have it in Virtual Machine though - the problem was that no new software was being made for it and the fact that it had better 16-bit Windows than Windows it self built in it didn't matter much when all new software was Win32 stuff. I had text-editor that had session recovery like with browser, I had several programs auto-start on boot, etc. etc. - a lot of configuration just because it crashed so often and that helped me to continue my work after it crashed. It was painful and that made me switch to Linux - tried it first on my PC from '97, but couldn't get the video driver for my voodoo rush card to work. Then within a year I bought a new PC, or actually the parts to build one, and I bought only parts that were said to be Linux compatible. Although at first I had to use video drivers that didn't have 3D acceleration, but soon I learned enough to install the NVidia proprietary drivers. I planned to make it a double boot system with Windows 2000 and Linux, but after installing Linux I never looked back - I was in heaven, and I didn't have to deal with crashes or even rebooting my system, I didn't even want a double boot system because it would need restarting (and hibernation was not a thing back then - that could be used with double boot to continue where you left it after booting for another OS for time, but it's really not for me. I just want to stay in Linux, if I run another OS it will be in virtual machine or emulator (I do have IBM PS/1 emulator because PS/1 model 2011 was my first computer =) ).
That feel when Adobe charges $50/month for Adobe CC, and the UI for adobe has barely changed (outside of extra image formats) but doesn't do Linux builds (and actively goes out of their way to do jank stuff like relying on Edge for UI for the installer to break WINE functionality) and made it impossible to commercially use CS6 (simply to be assholes towards Linux users and anyone that dislikes software as a service nonsense), while most of the Autodesk tools worth using have native Linux binaries that can run in other distributions given a small bit of package conversion shenanigans. My big issues comes down to the lack of debugging tools for games (let alone games running in Proton, which throws a whole other world of coaxing DLL files to get things to load), and the lack of Visual Studio support (Which honestly would make debugging software less of a pain compared to say VS Code paired with mingw-w64 or gcc, which already has a documentation issue). Jetbrains Rider is a literal lifesaver for game development in Unity and Unreal if you don't use Windows.
Autodesk on Linux is VERY hit or miss, it really depends on what industry you are in. Hell they won’t even do macOS for quite a few products. And dassault systems’ stuff is even worse.
In fact, now that I think about it - you're sponsored by an OEM for Linux, maybe ask them what hurdles they are encountering in getting their products to retail?
Having been the 'good with computers' kid in the extended family, that getting linux in front of those folks early so they know about it, and are comfortable using and fixing issues on it is crucial. Apple arguably does not focus on gamers on the desktop, and it shows in the steam survey (~2% play games on Mac OS). As gamers are often the folks that are doing the 'good with computers' kid role, I think the steam deck and more exposure of AAA titles on Linux are great introductions. Issues I see are ecosystem locking (Apples iCloud/Idevice/desktop integration is hard to break out of as there's no native Itunes/Iphone/icloud support on Linux as there is on Mac OS), and a slightly fragmented, and occasionally painful application delivery process (it's getting better, less squirrels are needed vs 10 years ago). With MS requiring TPM v2 and threatening ads in the UI, and a MS online login that may drive more folks to consider putting Linux their computer on to play games/work/create vs forking out for a new PC or parts.
Have used Linux here and there in the past but I have to say thanks to the CS program at my school for introducing us the Linux environment. It's now my daily driver.
Been a Linux users on and off for a decade after windows 8 I became a full on Linux user on all my personal PC's. 4Pc's + 3 Laptops I help out people with older machines by talking them into switching to Linux Mint never had anybody come back saying they don't like it.
Other than that linux localization has always been to the dregs, the last time I tried to use garuda default installation of Japanese, Chinese input method results in only Chinese installed, the localization is the same. Slightly to the details of a little place linux will be a variety of problems, the language to change to non-English and a variety of bugs.
Another problem is that there are too many Linux distributions are too scattered, windows and mac only one version, Linux I can not count over you let a common people run where to ask, and then a localization to hit the face of those who do not speak English how to do? linux all solutions 90 % are English, where do you let non-English people to find help?
100% agree with all of your points. Desktop Linux has two major obstacles: 1) Lack of OEM manufacturers shipping Linux pre-installed 2) Massive number of users preprogrammed to only understand Windows and/or Mac interfaces with no desire to learn new things. To illustrate the latter point: my family. I have been an enthusiastic Linux user since the early 2000's, and I personally use Linux exclusively on all my devices, ranging from Raspberry Pi-style SBCs to laptops to desktops, even an ARM based Chromebook and a Pinebook Pro. If it boots, I've probably tried to install Linux on it. Despite such enthusiasm, I tried (and failed) to convert my supremely intelligent but non-tech savvy wife from Windows to Linux about 10 years ago, but there were too many instances where things would break and she had no idea how to fix it, nor did she have any interest in learning the 'Linux way to do it', she simply wanted her laptop to 'just work'. We downshifted back to Windows at the time, but now she now uses a Mac laptop, and will likely never convert to Linux, ever. By contrast, with my 4 kids, the first computer any of them used was a laptop running Linux (Linux Mint or GalliumOS, depending on the hardware), and they've never once complained or had any problems doing their schoolwork on said laptops, all the way from grade school to college. They can use Windows or Mac if they have to, but for them Linux is 'normal'.
Well, there is at least one possible way a "year of the Linux desktop" could happen. If, at around the same time, both Microsoft and Apple screw up a release of Windows and OSX (respectively), crippling usability very badly. So badly that even "casual" or light users notice and can't adapt to it. So badly that even the rough edges of Linux on the desktop are tame comparatively. The chances of this happening? _Very_ slim. Making it even more unlikely is the chance that the open-source community will be ready to capitalize on the opportunity and market the alternative (especially pre-installed ones) correctly. But still, it is plausible
Every person I have introduced Linux to; technical to non-technical people, actually prefers Linux. It runs quicker, it don't force updates, it doesn't come with tons of bloatware. And even for someone like my mother. She isn't actually afraid of installing applications in Linux herself, I was surprised when I saw that she was playing mahjong (without me installing the app). So now she is actually exploring the computer some more. In windows, downloading installers from webpages, finding the files, choosing install directory, accidentally getting mcafee spamware budled, following up with windows defender warnings etc. is just a far more nerve-wrecking experience for her. She always feelt like the computer might "blow up" if she did something wrong, meanwhile in Linux she has actually regained some of her curiosity and independence again, and it's really refreshing to see.
Touch screen support in my experience is a place where Linux falls short. I just started daily driving Ubuntu 22.04 on my Lenovo 2 in 1 and most of the touch screen functionality I had under windows isn't there under linux or it is broken.
If you remember the history, GNU/Linux was created more as an alternative to Unix, not Windows. Has it won the competition with Unix? Definitely yes. Most servers, mainframes, routers and supercomputers run Linux. In general, Linux has replaced other systems on almost all types of equipment, except for desktops and laptops. Will there ever be a Linux desktop year? I don't know, maybe it will never happen. But do we really need it? There are more people with phones than people with desktops. Their phones run on the linux kernel, connecting to linux servers through linux routers while their house is being cleaned by a linux robot vacuum. Isn't this an epic victory?
For me, the Linux desktop was this year. Win 11 did it, and the very possible restrictions in in it to restrict computer choice and FREE speech. Once you have restrictions of the computer, you have the ability to control free speech and politics. I moved the last of 5 laptops to Linux (mint) yesterday. Several got hardware upgrades as well. And those upgrades plus the faster Linux OS, made a lot of difference in the older hardware. Thus far, I have software equivalents to everything I used commonly in Win 10. Yesterday I did some video editing. And I use a lot of office and internet apps.
As a gamer, as soon as I had installed Fedora, Ubuntu or Pop OS, ran all the updates and immediately ran into issues with high refresh rate monitors that I eventually fixed, I was excited to start playing games. So I download Lutris, follow ALL the steps and every time it gave me errors along the way. I got World of Warcraft to run, but not great. Couldn't get FFXIV to start at all. This was a few weeks ago, when the newest Ubuntu dropped. As long as this is the fresh, out of the box experience, a huge portion of potential users will never make the jump.
@Linden Reaper Yep, Nvidia, so I found out I needed to get rid of the Nouveau drivers after a bit of a search, this solved the high refresh rate issue. It would not go higher than 75hz on the Nouveau drivers. Steam is fine and all, but what about non-steam games? My point was: Linux is not yet ready for mass adoption, and never will be, as long as you can't just have a great out of the box experience regardless of hardware.
@Linden Reaper You're just reinforcing my point. There's a lot of tiny things that makes Linux simply not ready yet. I'm glad you're trying to help me, that's awesome but a little besides the point. :)
@Linden Reaper You're right about the fact Windows has some issues with AMD that Linux might not have, but I've had AMD for most of my life and Windows has always worked well with it right out of the box. I never have to do any tinkering with Windows to get things to simply work. It's not always perfect, but my point was that Linux has more glaring issues getting things to simply work than Windows. I've tried Linux over the years, multiple distros and every single time there's some really basic issues I run into, most recently it being the refresh rate issue and then, even if you're following all the instructions, somehow still some obscure dependencies are missing or something along the lines. Again, not saying Windows it's perfect, it definitely isn't and that's why I keep trying Linux over time, but when it comes to just wanting to set it up and use it, Windows, over the years and to this day, is way easier.
@Linden Reaper Again, I appreciate that you're trying to help, and I've done all that to get around the issue. What I'm getting at is that as long as issues like this are a thing, Linux won't be mass adopted because it always requires some finagling to get working the way most users want it to. Windows simply works out of the box, most of the time, in spots where Linux needs troubleshooting by the user before it works. Windows has some quirks but for most users it simply works most of the time. I'm not trying to put Linux down, I'm just stating that as long as the norm is that you require some sort of troubleshooting or searching for alternatives from the get go, it won't be adopted as much as we'd all like it to. And those issues are there because of the lack of mass adoption.
Most people don't have their own PC for personal use anymore. They only use one at work with company-installed software running on Windows. PC enthusiasts are few now, and Linux-on-PC enthusiasts are even fewer. It doesn't matter so much.
I am a moderate user and recently tried to install ubuntu 22.04 on a separate drive, i told it to use the same drive to install its bootloader, it still installed its bootloader on my windows drive. I have issues with my nvidia card and running sound over hdmi. It works until sleep, then I have to boot windows to make it work again. I don’t even know how to debug that.
Oh Nick, I will never put you thru a pitchfork, you are the only frenchman I can stand and to love. Love your content since it made me try Fedora again.
Thing is, there is a significant portion of the Linux user-base that likes and reinforces the perception that Linux is not for 'normal' windows or Mac users. They bang on about the customisability, the command line, and how 'Noobs' should just stay away and not ask them stupid questions. I've personally had people who weren't alive when I first started using Unix/Linux tell me I'm a 'noob' because I've said or asked something they don't like. The userbase is toxic, and that is possibly one of the main reasons it will never become a 'normal' desktop, because a significant amount of current users feel 'special' using Linux and don't want it to become 'normal.' A lot of Linux users arn't ready to share their 'toy for smart people' and that can kill take-up in the mainstream. That's a major reason why people think 'Linux is for Geeks' and don't try it. I can't see mainstream Desktop Linux ever happening.
this world wont move away from Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Spotify, u name it...... 20 years, everything will be cloud based, no local servers anymore and god knows what happens with all of that data and where it ends up......Thats pretty much where Microsoft is headed rn.
people often don't realize that only a small % of PC users install the OS on their own. Most people get windows out of the box on the machine they bought. We need more machines sold with Linux out of the box for Linux to grow significantly
Battery life in Ubuntu saved my old HP Spectre. It gets about 4h of usage on Windows which, back when I was in school, was NOT enough to get me through the day and caused me a ton of headaches. I installed Ubuntu 20.04 and used CPU Power Manager to stop the CPU from sucking nearly as much power and I got closer to 20h. Not even close. Windows didn't survive more than a few days on that laptop The fact that I could use it on my HP laptop with no manufacturer support and get a far better experience than what was preinstalled tells me that the "year of the linux desktop" has already passed. I loved using it and it didnt get in my way. Thats exactly what a *good* OS is meant to do.
I've used windows for years, tried Mac OS for one year. Like 6 months ago I've started driving into Linux and tried everything from Ubuntu to arch without systemd and a self configured Arch distro. The learning curve was steep in the beginning, but when you master the basics and start customizing your distro it becomes so much fun. Also, I now have an os that idles between 800 and 900 mb ram usage and looks as well as feels more fluid and modern than both windows and Mac. Just because there isn't such an obscene amount of stuff I will never use installed and running. I settled on Fedora btw. Arch is cool and very rewarding, but in the end I am too lazy to properly maintain an Arch install. Ubuntu / Debían, well the app repositories. Fedora is almost as up to date as Arch. Dnf never broke my system like the Aur and besides Ubuntu it's the only distro I've tried which worked flawlessly right after installing it. I only kinda miss the excitement of fixing stuff myself when using Fedora, it's just been stable to the point where I get bored 😅
I think you said it. Most average consumers just need a web browser. And also most basic consumers just use the default that comes on whatever laptop they buy. So either Mac or Windows depending on what they're comfortable with and used to. The fact you have to go out of your way to install Linux makes it a nerdy option that will never be mainstream. I love using Fedora, and let's be honest, like 95% of what I do is on my web browser.. but still, I had to go out of my way to install it.
I think quality was definitely an issue for a while, even the most reliable distros of the old time like ubuntu would occasionally break (whether at users fault or not...) especially on updates, this pretty much doesn't happen anymore and updates are very smooth and simple. Battery life wise, preinstalling linux would let hardware manufacturers optimize the kernel specifically for their laptop model by simply adding a small repository and maintaining it. The only thing we need is a linux section in your local media markt, that's pretty much it. People *will* buy it much like they buy vastly inferior chromebooks regardless of their limitations and app incompatibility.
They can run MSOffice and Photoshop but only the Android versions. Or you could install a Linux VM in the settings and install Crossover in the VM but that wouldn't work well... 🍷
I agree with you totally. It’s just not gonna happen that the masses adopt it, especially creatives for reasons that I won’t go into considering that horse corpse is already a pulp.
My partner, who was afraid of using Linux before getting it pre-installed on the work laptop and is now completely used to it after just a few weeks, is more than proof Linux is perfectly ready for the common user.
Hmm yes. I especially like the battery take. I would like to see that the SteamDeck will make a slight dent in that curve of adoption. Next Step. More devices with Coreboot would be cool.
There are two major issues FOR Linux, not with Linux: Linux is not on laptops that are in stores like Wal-Mart. Chromebooks had a chance because they are everywhere, now, pre-installed; Steam, as a lot of people who are SWITCHING to Linux are gamers - personal experience, my games on Steam, most of them flatout don't work with me: some are way too laggy to be viable, and some just show a black window before immediately crashing itself. Linux is good enough, it's people not supporting Linux, which is the problem. I can even speak that most people in my school, except really technical people, have NEVER heard of Linux, and most of the technical people have never tried it except one, and it's been a long while since they have. It feels like I'm the only one that uses Linux in the school as a daily driver. Yet all the students know Windows and ChromeOS. Why? Because it's sold where they shop all the time. Until they pop up in Wal-Mart and other local vendors, people will never hear of Linux.
At least ChromeOS has Crostini for Linux apps (even if it is very slow), and its upcoming Steam support may finally get developers to move from Windows since Steam Deck alone won't be enough for widespread Linux adoption.
im having issues with wayland on my macbook. screen flickering isnt an issue on x11 but on wayland. Im running Fedora! i dont hate wayland, its just buggy on my hardware.
@@AP-kx4yw yeah windows 11 has android application support, I'm surprised that linux distros don't have this yet (a reason why chromeos,a gentoo based distro is so popular is because people like the convenience and features of mobile apps, which are not available in web form,a lot of user also like the choice of games for low end computers),I have tried anbox(waydroid is based off of anbox) and must say it's extremely janky.
@@THEONEWHOKNOCKS697 Waydroid is not Anbox. It works the same way but it uses a much newer Android version (10) and is much faster and more stable. They are also working on a package manager for Waydroid that could be integrated via packagekit into the Software Stores
What we need is some sort of cross containerization that would allow any app to run easily (without installing Wine) on Linux or Windows. I’d hate to think the browser could do that… what could possibly go wrong, right?
I agree with you 100% , though I do think there's also other factors like not having a deep incentive to get a team together and polish out one distro from some fork. Maybe Steam OS and similar projects from first parties who do have that incentive will bring a lot of development with it that will stick around.
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NICK !!! your variable names are discussing !!!! REACT IS DEAD, STOP IT !!!
@@SIGMA_BLYAT what
itried and they banned my email calling it a scam. wtf?
@@RyuFitzgerald isn't gab a right wing shithole? that would alienate a lot of his supporters including me.
I think pre installing linux is really important. You can argue that "linux can do what windows can do", but windows can do what windows can do. Why switch to do the same thing? If it was pre-installed, it would be the other way around. Why switch, and have to pay to do so, to windows, when linux does all I need it to.
this 100%. There should be more options with linux pre-installed. Companies must be paying pennies for windows for linux to not be more common.
@@odizzido I don't think that it is them not paying for windows, more so they are not getting paid to pre install bloat on their PCs. Dell for example, offers Ubuntu on their PCs...for an extra £200 than windows because they don't get paid to put mcaffee, etc. on there
Because Linux (except red hat) doesn't require any end use to buy a stupid product/license key + their privacy is respected+ they...the END USER... actually OWNS and has FULL control over his or her PC..not some stupid corporation
*Cough cough.*
Adobe, cad apps and ms office.
@@ArunG273 I am sure more of them are going to be Web apps. While yes, lots of people (myself included) prefer a desktop version, having a Web app makes it more compelling to move
I think the release of that Razer Linux laptop and the steam deck plays a crucial role on Linux's name. Linux may not beat other OSes but the fact that Linux is still alive and doing better and better throughout the years is just remarkable and that is already a great feat. No need for comparisons, just the fact that people still loves and cares about it is priceless
Ubuntu has been an option to be the so installed from factory, from dell and others for a lot of years now ...
Yet not a lot has changed
I think default android apk support could take a distro like Ubuntu a long way
@@THEONEWHOKNOCKS697 Why?
The "year of Linux" will only happen when big box stores, like bestbuy, walmart, target, amazon...etc start selling machines with it pre-installed.
It did happen but it was called ChromeOS.
There have been attempts before in the big box stores with PCs pre- installed with Linspire, Lindows, and Xandros but that was over a decade ago. Even most regular Linux uses stayed away from those systems then.
@@shawnjefferson692 I wonder why? Were they big brands laptops like Dell and HP? Also, I think today's Linux desktop is much better than before, and can be visually appealing to so many people.
@@shawnjefferson692 The issue with those prior attempts at selling pre-installed Linux retail was that none of those machines were actually displayed on the retail floor. Customers had to know what they wanted and request them. They could not try them before they bought them.
I remember specifically asking and finding out that Best Buy was restricted and could not have them on display, even though they were selling them.
@@LDavis You are right about most models, I remember seeing them mostly in the Sunday sales paper for Walmart but I for sure recall seeing, for about a minute, the Linspire models on shelves. Did not know much about specs then (mid 2000s) but even I thought they were underpowered rigs. I also bought a stand alone copy of Xandros to play with right before COMPUSA closed. Ahhh memories. 😊
The day Windows dies is the day Billy G bloats us with open source Windows. There needs to be a reason for people to switch. On gaming, if Linux increase FPS I'm sure many gamers will switch. On the issue of Office and Adobe I'm not sure
@Juan Cruz Stakys people are old fashion and demand offline option. But both Office and Adobe is subscription.
Windows Marketing is closed source, because so nobody can run their stuff on other OSs and they will be needed
@Juan Cruz Stakys wrong
@@anonymunsichtbar3715 Microsoft could pull a Android and make a GSI open source. Later OEMs can make their own flavor of Windows.
@@burhanbudak6041 Wanting offline is old fashioned? I'm pretty sure wanting the ability to use your programs that you use for work without an internet connection is just common sense.
For me the issue with Linux always has been
1. NVIDIA
2. Gaming, especially games that use DirectX, Anti-Cheat, and games that are not available on Steam
For me the issue is sound engineering. Linux simply isn't there for us sound engineers. Yeah there is Reaper and Ardour, but ProTools, the industry standard, is only available on Windows and Macs. And VST support is almost non-existent, and wine unfortunately doesn't run these well. Carla is a good option, but again, industry standards. And the hardware used, there is simply no driver support there.
Anti-cheat is the real pain.
Linux's open source nature are actually likely to instead drive away multiplayer games because the devs can't trust the kernel or the drivers to not be tampered for anti-cheating purposes, as happens on Windows where GPU drivers tampering for cheating purposes are common.
I only see ChromeOS being properly supported for multiplayer gaming because such low level tampering is out of the question there.
1. Nvidia is a horrible crooked company. They've always pushed AGAINST open source.
Amd GPU drivers are BUILT into the Linux kernel and use the Mesa stack.
2. Some E.A.C games.work...some don't.
Personally could r care any less because it doesn't affect me because.ive winged myself off of online only games..with the except of CS:GO.
Every other game I've encountered and added.to my Library just works or I've gotten to work just as well as within windows using wine/lutris or it just works in Steam.
Because I normally don't play online multi-player or any competitive game, I generally don't have issues with anti-cheat.
And all games I tried via Proton work for me. Funnily I have some windows games which didn't work on windows (due to bad codeing using static paths instead of environment variables) work with Proton.
But I agree Nvidia is 🍆 when it comes to Linux.
I consider getting a new AMD GPU just to have a better experience on Linux.
The 1070ti is more than good enough for my purpose, but no good Wayland support, no dlss, no whatever proprietary features nvidea has locked out for Linux.
But even with all the disadvantages I still use Linux. I actually switched to Linux because I had GPU memory leaks in cities skyline and was to lazy to figure out which of my many thousands workshop assets caused the memory leaks.
That's already changing. Big online titles like Apex Legends work online no problem. Nvidia drivers with proton support is better than it ever has been. It has grown leaps and bounds the past couple years and its only going to get better. With windows baking ads into the OS and giving you less and less privacy will push a lot more people to Linux and more importantly, more devs.
Fedora 36 gnome is better than ever. So smooth, so enjoyable to use. I'd say this year is definitely special.
Same here. Haven’t used Linux for a few years. Installed Fedora 36 Gnome 42 on decent hardware and find it an absolute delight to use.
I tried Fedora 36 on my laptop last week after seeying several videos , and altough i'm a very experienced windows user and tried linux often in the past 30y i 't took me way to much time to finally get it installed (from a windows user perspective).
I also failed to get my nvdia gpu running, which worked just fine on Zorin and Ubuntu which i also tried, i stick with Ubuntu for a bit now which works well for my daily web browsing and other general activities.
For my desktop ill stick with windows, i use programs and play games that are not supported by linux and i don't see the point in using a emulator for doing so.
@@Chiquiet try to wait for the release. I used nightly build iso which has no "beta" caption when installing and it worked way better than beta 1.4.
@@Leha__777that was the plan, already found after some googling that the beta version might be the issue.
I love Fedora really... but any spin almost besides Gnome... Gnome drives me nuts. KDE Plasma, Xfce, and Cinnamon spins of Fedora are all really good.
Comparing pre-installed OSes vs OSes installed by the user without manufacturer support may not be fair, but it's the reality of the current situation. I think it makes sense to be pragmatic about these things and accept that few manufacturers in the near future will ship hardware with Linux be default. This kind of pragmatism is important - just look at why Linux succeeded over GNU Hurd.
As you say, Linux use is a catch-22: The average Joe won't use something they can't buy off a shelf and have it working out of the box. But manufacturers are not going to put something on a shelf that works out of the box until interest increases.
The community is growing exponentially (doubling a dozen users is still tiny, but it _is_ exponential growth), to the point where boutique companies like System76 are starting to offer Linux laptops. We are early in the decade of the Linux desktop.
No, no. OEMs do and have tried to sell Linux laptops, but there are restrictions from Microsoft. Manufacturers that sell pre-installed Windows laptops have to abide by certain restrictions or else they lose the ability to pre-install Windows.
It is no accident that System 76 does not sell Windows pre-installed laptops. If they did, they too would have to play the game, and it would be much harder to find those Linux laptop options. They make great hardware, and doesn't it seem just a little bit odd that not a single one of their laptops comes with Windows on it?
@@LDavis That's really interesting, and makes a lot of sense when I think about it. One could argue it's an anti-competitive move by a company with a stranglehold on the market, so we need to show support for companies who are willing to take the plunge like System76, and chip away at that Windows marketshare. Get a better deal for everyone.
@@LDavis So how did Lenovo, Dell and Razor pull it off? MSFT certainly doesn't want you to sell Linux laptops, but I don't think it is willing to make itself show in court for this.
Important points:
1) People who just want a browser to acess internet are going to use a Smartphone or tablet in the near future.
2) Printers support is better on Linux than windows, way easier to find a old printers (I dual boot daily).
3) Linux lacks some professional software. You can't choose what to use, your company says I want that on Tableu you will have to use Windows.
4) Linux desperately needs better tutorials. People won't use an OS that doesn't have easy to follow for dummies tutorials on how to solve problems.
4) does windows comes with tutorials?
@@ArunG273 afaik there were a lot of Windows tutorials back in the day.
actually, it was in the days of XP, when people would, at least in my country, witness the boom of computer popularity.
In my opinion, Microsoft's documentation is usually either terrible or hidden behind a steep paywall. Most of Windows' dummy-friendliness is likely due to it's large userbase providing support to itself (and the money that can be made from it).
Linux has great community resources too (e.g. the ArchWiki), but these tend to be closer to manual than step-by-step tutorials.
Additionally people need to go out of their way to find these resources, due to lack of an easy step-by-step answer.
On the note of Linux hardware though; the story doesn't end with "ship it with Linux and provide vendor drivers". Tuxedo does this with Clevo already and it still feels unsupported. For decades, Desktop PC hardware has been tailored towards Windows because Microsoft struck deals with e.g. Intel to implement hardware-level mechanisms like their driver API, secure boot, the dreaded Intel Management Engine etc. For a true, fair comparison. Linux not only needs metal, it needs dedicated silicon, which only embedded and supercomputer systems have dared to do yet.
@@ArunG273 No but you can ask most people around you for help. Can't do the same with Linux lol
I dunno about printers. Older ones that let the host do all the work still have issues. Mum's printer is one such offender (a Fuji Xerox Docuprint CP105b). At least in my experiments with Linux Mint.
Also remember, there are people that must use tools from a closed ecosystem (like the whole Office suite) and doing that on Linux sometimes isn't worth the hassle.
I say this because I got a friend of mine to use Linux and she liked it a lot, but when she had to work from home, she didn't get a work computer, and seeing if MS Access would work on Linux with the tool she needed to use for grading students wasn't worth it. She had to come back to Windows once again, but this because a whole educational system was relying everything on (outdated) Office apps, and she couldn't afford to lose her job.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I did that for years, but a non-techie does not want to bother with such things. A computer is a tool for them to do a specific job, having to maintain two OS and your data across those is a waste of time. They usually don't care enough about the OS to put up with that.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Oh so you are that "minority" linux guy so many beginners talk about who pushes away "non-techies" from linux. Glad I saw one in this lifetime. A rare breed indeed
At least she gave it her best effort.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 What you are describing is a waste of time to anyone who has real work to get done.
Even if Linux runs 99% of your software needs, why would you use it if Windows runs 100% of your software needs?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Lmao people like you crying on every comment is exactly why the Linux community has an image of being incels and neckbeards.
I've been running Kubuntu sense version 18.04 and am currently on version 22.04 and it's just rock solid stable. I never worry about running out of resources or crashes. I rarely need to reboot (even though I do it anyway) but I take it down for a reboot only once every few months. I love linux!
Kubuntu is a hidden gem. I wish more people would have tried it.
I envy you
@@ArmiaKhairy why don’t you switch then?
I did try kubuntu and kde neon many times but turns out i can't live without AUR.
I use KDE Neon and yeah it’s very stable!
It is this year for me. Installed Linux mint, never looking back, except I am because I work in it and have to, but very happy with Linux
I did exactly the same! Never been happier with my computer :)
Just made the jump to Fedora, I'm really happy. Previously I had always been held back by the requirement to have MS Office for work. In my case the solution was... give up work :) A big problem for Linux is that Companies cling onto the belief that they need the power of Office. If you are going to knock out a crap spreadsheet, you may as well do it on free(open) software. I use SoftMaker Office by the way, It's excellent. (yes I paid, it was worth it)
Another problem is the command line. Go on-line to get help and it will always say "On Fedora, first type in 'sudo dnf install... For Ubuntu however do this...' " This is really scary to the average user, who really want their computers to be like a washing machine or toaster.
And then we have marketing. The open source community will never be able to compete with the billion dollar marketing budgets of Microsoft and Apple. It's sad to think that of the $100 you spent on Windows 11, $50 was probably used to sell it to you(I just made those numbers up). That's the real free market for you.
not only to you, but also in school environment. The deals MS and Google make to offer a cloud system to a school must be crazy. And what best to use onedrive or Googledrive? a windows or chromeOS machine. at a discount. When kids start thinking about what they want... its already too late... they got used to it.
The fact Windows now has a Linux Sub-system available. Just goes to show that they recognize it as a developer choice.
You can also get Teams, Skype, Edge for Linux directly from MS.
MS is interested in Linux.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Windows has the apps grown ups use.
Which means that if you're developing a game, you don't need to compile it for Windows any more. Develop it for Linux and use WSL on Windows.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Same, though almost a year early due to a hardware failure.
If professional softwares come to Linux, then we will have a time for Linux desktop domination.
But Linus has professional software. So you only speak about specific ones, because in general there are professional software available.
@@thingsiplay Adobe Creative cloud, professional Office Suite, proper high end graphics card support. These are still lacking.
@@vishalv9699 But we have professional software. Your original statement was not about specific software. You only said if professional software comes to Linux, at we have ton of professional software.
@@vishalv9699 high end graphics support? The drivers for AMD GPUs are built into the Kernel..they have been for 5 plus years now
@keithsze001 It is. But besides that, are you only talking about Adobe Software? I am talking about your initial post that you speak about professional software. Linux has professional software. So your initial statement is not true then.
Your second statement made in the comment section about Adobe software is a different topic. Not everyone uses Adobe software, in fact most people do not on Windows. It is just a few people. And many people can just switch to free and open source alternartives on Linux, but they don't know that they can. That is the problem.
I installed Manjaro KDE on my sister's laptop and she didn't notice difference and easily uses it, also I recommend Mint (and anything with KDE, like Kubuntu etc)
I wish Mint came with a KDE version like it used too… Oh well, Garuda or EndeavorOS it is for me!
@@cameronbosch1213 Kubuntu is probably the best of them all, especially with 22.04.
@@cameronbosch1213 i guess mint kde relly didnt make sense sense there other 3 de are gtk.
@@zparihar True, just don’t like Snaps…
I remember a lecture by Linus Torvalds about how the linux desktop will never grow unless it's pre-installed on systems people buy in store. I think that if there was demo linux machines next to the Macs and Windows computers in best buy and Walmart, the fancy desktop environment and (maybe) lower price with similar or better performance on lower end hardware would make it a compelling offer to people who aren't tech savvy and just want to pick up a computer and go.
another usp that needs to spoken more about is how installing linux by default would make the hardware atleast a 100 usd cheaper. That is what will attract more customers.
@@udittlamba exactly! I know the major brands get huge discounts on their windows installs since Microsoft gets user data, but it would be a bit cheaper. Not only that, but it could run on lower spec hardware as well. Just cheaper in general
@@udittlamba that would of course require those brands to not just… you know pocket the difference.
@@udittlamba It wouldn't because OEM's don't pay that much for Windows and offset that by installing bloatware. And a 100$ cheaper would not measure up for the fear of an App they need not being available for Linux.
@@LordApophis100 i see, never thought about that.
Windows 10 will for many be the last Windows OS they use before dipping their toes into the world of Linux due to how Windows 11 removes options and adds advertisements baked into the OS, so I have a feeling when support for Windows 10 ends, enough power users and devs have jumped on to smooth out Linux's current weaknesses and make it a decent replacement for Windows.
@Aarón You're not familiar with W11 I understand...
@Aarón It's why I switched. 8)
@Aarón "w11 bad" is exactly why some of my friends switched, and I don't doubt that more people have switched because of that reason as well
@Aarón "W11 bad" was basically the last straw that saw me switching, and I suspect that will be true for plenty of people. It's far from the only or entire reason, It's just the point at which it became very clear that Windows was Not going to get better (previously, if there was a bad version of windows, you just waited for the next one. Now, not so much.)
Sadly, not really true. I and many others are counted as Windows 11 users, and have a license we were forced to pay for to get the computer we wanted... our computers came with it on there already. I wiped it and installed Linux, but of course for "market share" I am still counted in the Windows numbers... so many people will use Windows 11 and later to the outside world, even if they only boot it once or twice and wipe it off.
As someone who's tried and been impressed by linux, i still have to say that it isn't ready. Right after installation, my second display just didnt work at all. Being someone who knows more about technology than average, i knew i should try switching drivers, and it worked, but most people wouldnt think of that. Additionally, almost every website for an app just tells you a command to type in, and some times it only installs a server version and doesnt offer a client (like wireguard). While i get that it's not that hard to type one command in the terminal, users shouldn't have to do that. (Also, the package manager sometimes has weird names like 'Add / Remove Software", when most people are just looking fore something alog the lines of "store" or "shop". ) While it doesn't bother me too much, things like these make me see why most people dont use linux.
In the end, the money users saved in licenses will be used in technical support and wasted time once something broke up in the os.
@@kickstartnetworking3347 Fedora Silverblue and NixOS are the answer. They have immutable filesystem. So, average joe cant break them.
Well the first point is already discussed in the video. That " Comparissons being unfair " cause of Devices not supporting Linux is the answer. Your display didn't work. Why? Driver didn't work. Why? Driver wasn't supplied. ( And even on Windows, I have to install drivers manually to use external monitor, so you can't say this is a Linux problem anyway. )
The second point is documentation. Not explicitly related to the OS, but does affect it. This, i agree, despeperately needs improvement and is an actuall problem.
And some people still like to play DVDs - they may have hundreds of them. For me it's a breeze to follow the steps needed to play these. For the new linux user it would be a discouraging nightmare. Same with Linux Wine.
@@brentsummers7377 multimedia support in linux is not an issue, the lack of commercial applications is the problem.
I totally agree with the "unfair comparisons" part.
@@yty-p9k That's exactly what he said in that part. Linux is not an alternative to windows. Linux is linux. Big difference between Win/Mac and Linux. Also, Linux for now isn't for non-technical people, who know nothing about tech (one should know tech, if he owns one).
@@yty-p9k Again, Linux is not for competing against Windows. And marketing is marketing. Ever heard of Apple? Go watch their marketing.
The year of the Linux desktop isn't something we will see happening, it will just happen one day, and then we will look back and think "that was the year of the Linux desktop", it will be seamless, with no warning, no fuss, no mass migration. Anyone who says it different is delusional.
I think every year is the year of Linux Desktop. Every year it's getting better and more popular.
Actually percentage-wise, it only got less popular.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I'm not wrong - there was even a whole video about that at Lunduke's channel. I don't remember the exact conclusion but it wasn't that Linux is getting more popular.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 unfortunately, he deleted plenty of videos and I can't find this video right now.
It is an old one anyway.
In any case, I don't see Linux Desktop becoming drastically more popular in the next several years. Because of many reasons.
Linux will be good enough when I can easily go on the internet, and print stuff.. which for me happened in 2004.
The year of the Linux desktop for me was 2021 when I made the switch. Linux being an individual choice, rather than a default, is appealing.
I agree with the reasons why Year of Linux desktop will never come in near future.
Bad marketing , toxic people of community who hates anything new or standardized ( sysd , flatpaks etc ) and big vendor support .
I hope we will get thought all the hurdles and i am pretty sure once Linux becomes more mainstream those elitist people will move to something like BSD reducing the gatekeeping.
The year of the Linux desktop is when I can go to Best Buy and buy a laptop with Ubuntu on it.
Exactly
Ubuntu is much more locked down Microshit want to be .
Ya don't have to have it already installed for it to be a viable option. It's not like it's difficult to create a USB thing drive installation media for it or better yet Linux Mint cinnamon
Seriously..all good vibes meant. I will happy walk you through the installation process if ya need.
@@motoryzen in Poland you can already get laptops with no OS installed on it.
i guess they are overlooked, as many people just want an OS to be already installed and configured.
@@erned8445 we can here in the USA also but no where except your small mom n pop level PC repair shops
@@motoryzen I use Linux every day, friend.
I challenge you to teach my grandmother to set up a live usb and install Linux.
Also, Ubuntu is fine. It is your best bet if you are a computer novice, for sure just because it is the best documented Linux distro by far.
Hardware is the key. Assuming people are going to install their own operating systems to the point of Linux mass adoption is the same as assuming that you could come up with a neat engine design and have people just swap out motors in their personal vehicle. It just won’t happen. You might be able to sell someone on it who is car shopping, and if you can sell enough then your idea will take off.
No. To get people to use your thing, you have them buy it on hardware that it is designed for. This is just how it works. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Every year is the year of the Linux Desktop because it keeps on growing and striving
Good video! I'm finally back on Linux on my laptop at home after many years of using it at work. It definitely revived the life of my laptop and I'm happy that so far most of my games still work on the laptop using Wine/Proton. Years ago I had my house all on linux until I made the fatal mistake of upgrading to KDE 4.0, and my wife was quite pissed at losing her iPad/iPod connectivity to Amarok. Linux's name was mud in my household for years even though I continued to use it as a MythTV backend/minecraft server for years.
this is definitely the decade of the Linux desktop
mainly because i installed it this year
Now that is one good reason
Proper OEM support would be such a massive improvement over the status quo.
The year of the Linux desktop is when 90% of windows programs/games are made for Linux too, the reason I care about more people using Linux is just so it gets more support by companies
may be not the 90 % but autodesk, adobe, ms office, solidworks and so on, the mayor leagues.
wel you will be happy to know we are there. have you not seen proton.
@@kickstartnetworking3347 thats like 4 apps thats not even close to 90% of the libary.
@@gogereaver349 I have and it doesn't work for anti cheat so no
@@paimonbutter eac works now devs just need to flip the linux switch.
One issues I always have had for a while with Linux is the power management. When installing it on a laptop, the expected behavior of 'Close to Sleep' has never worked right for me - or will work in one release, and break in the next. If things have changed recently, I'd be happy to try again and see the results.
On the app side, I use Photoshop a lot. I know that GIMP is a good replacement for Photoshop, but the plugin ecosystem for Photoshop is really where it shines. Sure, GIMP may cover 80% of what Photoshop does, but when 80% of my workflow is in that 20%, it is hard to switch. To really switch to Linux full time, not only would the apps need to be runnable, but the helper apps need to run too.
I've been using Linux since 1999. Many of these arguments for why Linux isn't quite there today are the same ones used for the last 10-15 years.
2022 is the year I switched to linux. I am happy with it and now I don't have to fight with microsoft which is great. Pop_OS just does what I ask and works.
Linux continues to improve, and has come a long way. It is simply amazing what has been accomplished using open source. I think the biggest obstacle now is support from hardware and peripheral manufacturers. Also, there are certain bugs that have been around for a long time that still persist.
For me "The Year of Linux Desktop" was 2020. That was the year I realised I can do 100% of my usecases with linux and I lost all interest in Windows development. All my games run perfectly fine via proton or wine, LibreOffice is perfect for my needs and so on. Sure - not everything is perfect but those minor annoyances are something I can live with and accept. So yeah 2020 was MY year of Linux desktop and I'm not looking back.
For me it's this year. Wayland and pipewire are starting to become mature enough to be used and I love it. Multi monitor support with different refresh rates and resolutions (including vrr support) is now an option which I kind of needed for my setup. That alone is huge, especially for gamers that have multiple monitors and want to use freesync/gsync. It will only get better when more distros and DE's will ship with wayland by default like ubuntu and fedora are doing already.
Hey uncle Nick, what is your daily driver OS?
Fedora :)
i really want to permanently switch to Linux and have already tried many times (with at least 3 attempts being full-blown Arch, but quite a few attempts being Ubuntu), but audio support is lacking, and (most critically) my video editor (VEGAS Pro) is entirely Windows-bound and i'm not aware of other NLEs that have both a global motion keyframe system (which i very heavily use) and a large array of video effects. because of this, even linux evangelists recommended me to stick with Windows.
The term originated around 1998 and, at that time, software shelves were crammed with boxes of packaged distros (mostly Red Hat). So IMHO the "Year of the Linux Desktop" already happened and is long gone.
I've done a case study on my relative, I've given her my old laptop running Kubuntu (she was used to working just with windows). After polishing out a few small things (there is no well usable and user-friendly-installable OneDrive client - someone should do that), she just got used to it. I don't think there is any barrier to entry except the lack of reason to even be interested in changing anything at all. Most people just don't put a single thought into what they use, and they wouldn't mind using anything else, besides perhaps the usual "it looks different" (but there are chromebooks, and no one seems to have a problem with them). If a mainstream brand was willing to sell huge amounts of cheap linux laptops, we could get a good market share pretty easily, I don't see a huge problem there.
The problem is that putting a bunch of “cheap Linux laptops” out in the market would make many lay people believe Linux is an OS for cheaper computers, like the Netbook hype around 2008 - 2010. A good company would need to build cheaper AND premium Linux computers to dispel that notion, and that requires a lot of money…
@@cameronbosch1213 True, but you can get linux to huge masses only through the cheap and mid-range kind of devices. Selling such a beast with 3080Ti is not going to change anything.
@@user-vn9ld2ce1s I agree, it’s just that ONLY selling lower-end laptops with Linux would give off the wrong impression to the average consumers…
@@cameronbosch1213 True. Not that the community would have any say in that either way :))
@The Linux Experiment thank you for keeping your format and not going to full time steam deck content like other Linux channels i follow, I am very happy about the steam deck and pre-ordered for my kids but the max interest I have in gaming is superTuxKart 20 min a week
Well, everything I wanted to say about the Deck, I've said already :) It's cool, but it's no revolution
@@TheLinuxEXP hmmm i politely disagree, it is a revolution but only for gamers
I agree that the problem with Linux adoption is that it rarely comes preinstalled. I've switched a few people to Linux over the years, and they found that they preferred it over Windows due to having fewer problems. For most people, once the applications they need are available, they are happy.
even when it does come preinstalled, its only on select really crappy machines... the top of the line best machines always have no choice.
"My camera is dying" was hilarious. this is why I like the Linux people and the Linux community.
Easily the best Linux channel i seen on TH-cam... well done
I think you the only guy on youtube that got it. People act like Linux isn't good and everything will be fine once it get good.
This phrase is used by writers who think that they might switch their windows/macos for Linux soon. But there seem to be always some showstopper for them to do the move so they keep dreaming about it year by year...
My primary desktop is likely going to continue being a Windows machine due to work, market share & decades of native apps. A lot of my Windows software started on Linux first. Where Linux really shines for me is the many secondary machines in my life & it's becoming much easier to switch between the two. My approach now is default to Linux until I "need" Windows. What really gave me that push was installing TwisterOS on a Pi400 & how much Linux has improved since my last attempt a decade ago. Since then everything outside of my main desktop is Linux.
Year of the Linux desktop will be when Office products work on Linux. Companies rely on it. Adobe products not working is fine as people use macs anyway due to hardware. Gaming not working is not important for Linux desktop as you do not game during work. We need a company that uses Linux to drive things forward
If TL;DR, just skip to last paragraph.
I've used Libre Office (and Open Office before it was forked) and it's a quality product. I readily admit that I don't know what features of MS Office are most needed and if Libre Office can cover all of it - I believe it's not compatible with MS Office scripting languages, but I think it has it's own scripting system.
So far I haven't gotten an MS Office document that Libre Office can't open and show it correctly - long time ago I remember that document that I have saved in MS Office format didn't look correct when actually opened in MS Office. But that was long long time ago when Open Office was relatively new in the 00's and it's gone long way in over decade of time.
I think if a company seriously moved to Libre Office and at least internally drop using MS Office document formats, most of them could do everything they need to.
If they need to send documents to 3rd parties they are dealing with they could then save them in MS Office format. Does MS Office support OpenDocument (ODF) format or are they still ignoring it? Well, Libre Office supports several MS Office formats anyway.
However the problem is that such switch needs time and educating workers to use new software. It's costly.
Some countries have planned, at least one has actually done a switch from MS Office to Open Source software in government ran places (I couldn't find a better word at the moment). That shows that it is possible, but I don't see the companies being too eager to invest in this switch. The road that MS has taken with Windows might cause some companies to move away from it, but I'm not expecting a huge rush - I think most will still keep using what they have already in use. There needs to be incentive to make them consider alternatives, and no matter what I think about it, they are not seeing one at the moment.
But for most companies office application needs a quality alternative for MS Office does exist, but that's not enough to make them switch to Linux. And some companies might move to Libre Office, but in Windows - I've actually seen just that happen once.
To be honest sometimes (Debian stable, with old stuffs) hardware support is better than the preinstalled on windows...
On my low end (intel) laptop I never achieved to have the hardware acceleration working on windows, I thought the PC was broken, but with Linux it works perfectly!
So, if you didn't yet, give Linux a try!
6:04 I disagree, on a sample size of one: I bought a Windows laptop, but what ultimately led me to switch it to Linux was that, well, Windows broke so spectacularly it was just easier to switch
Same for me!
I was using Windows 95 until 2002, LOL. I tried switching to OS/2 WARP 4 in '97 and it was an *awesome* OS - I wouldn't replace Linux with it, but I'd like to have it in Virtual Machine though - the problem was that no new software was being made for it and the fact that it had better 16-bit Windows than Windows it self built in it didn't matter much when all new software was Win32 stuff.
I had text-editor that had session recovery like with browser, I had several programs auto-start on boot, etc. etc. - a lot of configuration just because it crashed so often and that helped me to continue my work after it crashed. It was painful and that made me switch to Linux - tried it first on my PC from '97, but couldn't get the video driver for my voodoo rush card to work. Then within a year I bought a new PC, or actually the parts to build one, and I bought only parts that were said to be Linux compatible. Although at first I had to use video drivers that didn't have 3D acceleration, but soon I learned enough to install the NVidia proprietary drivers.
I planned to make it a double boot system with Windows 2000 and Linux, but after installing Linux I never looked back - I was in heaven, and I didn't have to deal with crashes or even rebooting my system, I didn't even want a double boot system because it would need restarting (and hibernation was not a thing back then - that could be used with double boot to continue where you left it after booting for another OS for time, but it's really not for me.
I just want to stay in Linux, if I run another OS it will be in virtual machine or emulator (I do have IBM PS/1 emulator because PS/1 model 2011 was my first computer =) ).
That feel when Adobe charges $50/month for Adobe CC, and the UI for adobe has barely changed (outside of extra image formats) but doesn't do Linux builds (and actively goes out of their way to do jank stuff like relying on Edge for UI for the installer to break WINE functionality) and made it impossible to commercially use CS6 (simply to be assholes towards Linux users and anyone that dislikes software as a service nonsense), while most of the Autodesk tools worth using have native Linux binaries that can run in other distributions given a small bit of package conversion shenanigans.
My big issues comes down to the lack of debugging tools for games (let alone games running in Proton, which throws a whole other world of coaxing DLL files to get things to load), and the lack of Visual Studio support (Which honestly would make debugging software less of a pain compared to say VS Code paired with mingw-w64 or gcc, which already has a documentation issue).
Jetbrains Rider is a literal lifesaver for game development in Unity and Unreal if you don't use Windows.
Autodesk on Linux is VERY hit or miss, it really depends on what industry you are in. Hell they won’t even do macOS for quite a few products. And dassault systems’ stuff is even worse.
In fact, now that I think about it - you're sponsored by an OEM for Linux, maybe ask them what hurdles they are encountering in getting their products to retail?
Having been the 'good with computers' kid in the extended family, that getting linux in front of those folks early so they know about it, and are comfortable using and fixing issues on it is crucial. Apple arguably does not focus on gamers on the desktop, and it shows in the steam survey (~2% play games on Mac OS). As gamers are often the folks that are doing the 'good with computers' kid role, I think the steam deck and more exposure of AAA titles on Linux are great introductions. Issues I see are ecosystem locking (Apples iCloud/Idevice/desktop integration is hard to break out of as there's no native Itunes/Iphone/icloud support on Linux as there is on Mac OS), and a slightly fragmented, and occasionally painful application delivery process (it's getting better, less squirrels are needed vs 10 years ago). With MS requiring TPM v2 and threatening ads in the UI, and a MS online login that may drive more folks to consider putting Linux their computer on to play games/work/create vs forking out for a new PC or parts.
i've been using my linux desktop pc for over 12 years... and it's been almost great...
My problem is that there aren't good hardware management tools for now or I maybe just haven't discovered them.
Have used Linux here and there in the past but I have to say thanks to the CS program at my school for introducing us the Linux environment. It's now my daily driver.
Been a Linux users on and off for a decade after windows 8 I became a full on Linux user on all my personal PC's. 4Pc's + 3 Laptops I help out people with older machines by talking them into switching to Linux Mint never had anybody come back saying they don't like it.
Other than that linux localization has always been to the dregs, the last time I tried to use garuda default installation of Japanese, Chinese input method results in only Chinese installed, the localization is the same. Slightly to the details of a little place linux will be a variety of problems, the language to change to non-English and a variety of bugs.
Another problem is that there are too many Linux distributions are too scattered, windows and mac only one version, Linux I can not count over you let a common people run where to ask, and then a localization to hit the face of those who do not speak English how to do? linux all solutions 90 % are English, where do you let non-English people to find help?
100% agree with all of your points.
Desktop Linux has two major obstacles:
1) Lack of OEM manufacturers shipping Linux pre-installed
2) Massive number of users preprogrammed to only understand Windows and/or Mac interfaces with no desire to learn new things.
To illustrate the latter point: my family.
I have been an enthusiastic Linux user since the early 2000's, and I personally use Linux exclusively on all my devices, ranging from Raspberry Pi-style SBCs to laptops to desktops, even an ARM based Chromebook and a Pinebook Pro. If it boots, I've probably tried to install Linux on it.
Despite such enthusiasm, I tried (and failed) to convert my supremely intelligent but non-tech savvy wife from Windows to Linux about 10 years ago, but there were too many instances where things would break and she had no idea how to fix it, nor did she have any interest in learning the 'Linux way to do it', she simply wanted her laptop to 'just work'. We downshifted back to Windows at the time, but now she now uses a Mac laptop, and will likely never convert to Linux, ever.
By contrast, with my 4 kids, the first computer any of them used was a laptop running Linux (Linux Mint or GalliumOS, depending on the hardware), and they've never once complained or had any problems doing their schoolwork on said laptops, all the way from grade school to college. They can use Windows or Mac if they have to, but for them Linux is 'normal'.
My Lemur Pro from System76 has AMAZING battery life!
Well, there is at least one possible way a "year of the Linux desktop" could happen. If, at around the same time, both Microsoft and Apple screw up a release of Windows and OSX (respectively), crippling usability very badly. So badly that even "casual" or light users notice and can't adapt to it. So badly that even the rough edges of Linux on the desktop are tame comparatively.
The chances of this happening? _Very_ slim. Making it even more unlikely is the chance that the open-source community will be ready to capitalize on the opportunity and market the alternative (especially pre-installed ones) correctly.
But still, it is plausible
I love this stance →" This is not the year of the Linux Desktop, but the decade !"
Every person I have introduced Linux to; technical to non-technical people, actually prefers Linux. It runs quicker, it don't force updates, it doesn't come with tons of bloatware. And even for someone like my mother. She isn't actually afraid of installing applications in Linux herself, I was surprised when I saw that she was playing mahjong (without me installing the app). So now she is actually exploring the computer some more. In windows, downloading installers from webpages, finding the files, choosing install directory, accidentally getting mcafee spamware budled, following up with windows defender warnings etc. is just a far more nerve-wrecking experience for her. She always feelt like the computer might "blow up" if she did something wrong, meanwhile in Linux she has actually regained some of her curiosity and independence again, and it's really refreshing to see.
Touch screen support in my experience is a place where Linux falls short. I just started daily driving Ubuntu 22.04 on my Lenovo 2 in 1 and most of the touch screen functionality I had under windows isn't there under linux or it is broken.
I use Fedora 35 on a Pc-Tablet without keyboard and it works almost perfectly
If you remember the history, GNU/Linux was created more as an alternative to Unix, not Windows. Has it won the competition with Unix? Definitely yes. Most servers, mainframes, routers and supercomputers run Linux.
In general, Linux has replaced other systems on almost all types of equipment, except for desktops and laptops.
Will there ever be a Linux desktop year? I don't know, maybe it will never happen. But do we really need it? There are more people with phones than people with desktops. Their phones run on the linux kernel, connecting to linux servers through linux routers while their house is being cleaned by a linux robot vacuum. Isn't this an epic victory?
nope
computers should be sold without an operating system. that would save people $100, and save us from having to get rid of what we don't want.
Isn't it possible to buy Lenovo laptops with Linux on them since a while?
I thought so 🤔
For me, the Linux desktop was this year. Win 11 did it, and the very possible restrictions in in it to restrict computer choice and FREE speech.
Once you have restrictions of the computer, you have the ability to control free speech and politics.
I moved the last of 5 laptops to Linux (mint) yesterday. Several got hardware upgrades as well. And those upgrades plus the faster Linux OS, made a lot of difference in the older hardware.
Thus far, I have software equivalents to everything I used commonly in Win 10.
Yesterday I did some video editing. And I use a lot of office and internet apps.
I was really happy to see that a local TV News channel showcased Ubuntu in a tech segment today
What, where is the charging port on the magic mouse? *scurries too look it up* . . . really? That's incredibly bad.
As a gamer, as soon as I had installed Fedora, Ubuntu or Pop OS, ran all the updates and immediately ran into issues with high refresh rate monitors that I eventually fixed, I was excited to start playing games. So I download Lutris, follow ALL the steps and every time it gave me errors along the way. I got World of Warcraft to run, but not great. Couldn't get FFXIV to start at all.
This was a few weeks ago, when the newest Ubuntu dropped. As long as this is the fresh, out of the box experience, a huge portion of potential users will never make the jump.
@Linden Reaper Yep, Nvidia, so I found out I needed to get rid of the Nouveau drivers after a bit of a search, this solved the high refresh rate issue. It would not go higher than 75hz on the Nouveau drivers.
Steam is fine and all, but what about non-steam games?
My point was: Linux is not yet ready for mass adoption, and never will be, as long as you can't just have a great out of the box experience regardless of hardware.
@Linden Reaper You're just reinforcing my point. There's a lot of tiny things that makes Linux simply not ready yet. I'm glad you're trying to help me, that's awesome but a little besides the point. :)
@Linden Reaper You're right about the fact Windows has some issues with AMD that Linux might not have, but I've had AMD for most of my life and Windows has always worked well with it right out of the box. I never have to do any tinkering with Windows to get things to simply work. It's not always perfect, but my point was that Linux has more glaring issues getting things to simply work than Windows. I've tried Linux over the years, multiple distros and every single time there's some really basic issues I run into, most recently it being the refresh rate issue and then, even if you're following all the instructions, somehow still some obscure dependencies are missing or something along the lines.
Again, not saying Windows it's perfect, it definitely isn't and that's why I keep trying Linux over time, but when it comes to just wanting to set it up and use it, Windows, over the years and to this day, is way easier.
@Linden Reaper Again, I appreciate that you're trying to help, and I've done all that to get around the issue. What I'm getting at is that as long as issues like this are a thing, Linux won't be mass adopted because it always requires some finagling to get working the way most users want it to.
Windows simply works out of the box, most of the time, in spots where Linux needs troubleshooting by the user before it works.
Windows has some quirks but for most users it simply works most of the time.
I'm not trying to put Linux down, I'm just stating that as long as the norm is that you require some sort of troubleshooting or searching for alternatives from the get go, it won't be adopted as much as we'd all like it to. And those issues are there because of the lack of mass adoption.
Even Linus Torvalds said that this would never happen because PCs are often shipped with Windows
Yes but Linus Torvalds...DIDNT expect the Linux desktop of today...which is equally if not MORE user friendly than Windows now
Most people don't have their own PC for personal use anymore. They only use one at work with company-installed software running on Windows.
PC enthusiasts are few now, and Linux-on-PC enthusiasts are even fewer.
It doesn't matter so much.
I am a moderate user and recently tried to install ubuntu 22.04 on a separate drive, i told it to use the same drive to install its bootloader, it still installed its bootloader on my windows drive. I have issues with my nvidia card and running sound over hdmi. It works until sleep, then I have to boot windows to make it work again. I don’t even know how to debug that.
Bootloader? No uefi? Are you using old PC?
@@ArunG273 Don't know, but it has installed something called Grub2 and it cannot boot if I disconnect my windows drive.
Then:
Linux: Terminal Hell.
Windows:Graphical Heaven.
Now:
Linux: Windows like.
Windows: Update Hell.
Oh Nick, I will never put you thru a pitchfork, you are the only frenchman I can stand and to love. Love your content since it made me try Fedora again.
Hahah thanks 😊
At least 2021 was the year of my linux desktop and 2022 the year of my linux notebook
In week 4 of linux on my gaming beast and hardware was the answer "2 months of my steam deck" ty for your content, most helpful
Just a test: compare the two presentation pages of MacOS Monterey and Gnome 42, and you will have a good summary of the marketing concept.
Nick, could you turn up your mic volume please? 🙏 It sounds very quiet on my devices.
Thing is, there is a significant portion of the Linux user-base that likes and reinforces the perception that Linux is not for 'normal' windows or Mac users. They bang on about the customisability, the command line, and how 'Noobs' should just stay away and not ask them stupid questions.
I've personally had people who weren't alive when I first started using Unix/Linux tell me I'm a 'noob' because I've said or asked something they don't like.
The userbase is toxic, and that is possibly one of the main reasons it will never become a 'normal' desktop, because a significant amount of current users feel 'special' using Linux and don't want it to become 'normal.'
A lot of Linux users arn't ready to share their 'toy for smart people' and that can kill take-up in the mainstream. That's a major reason why people think 'Linux is for Geeks' and don't try it.
I can't see mainstream Desktop Linux ever happening.
this world wont move away from Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Spotify, u name it......
20 years, everything will be cloud based, no local servers anymore and god knows what happens with all of that data and where it ends up......Thats pretty much where Microsoft is headed rn.
people often don't realize that only a small % of PC users install the OS on their own. Most people get windows out of the box on the machine they bought. We need more machines sold with Linux out of the box for Linux to grow significantly
Battery life in Ubuntu saved my old HP Spectre. It gets about 4h of usage on Windows which, back when I was in school, was NOT enough to get me through the day and caused me a ton of headaches. I installed Ubuntu 20.04 and used CPU Power Manager to stop the CPU from sucking nearly as much power and I got closer to 20h. Not even close. Windows didn't survive more than a few days on that laptop
The fact that I could use it on my HP laptop with no manufacturer support and get a far better experience than what was preinstalled tells me that the "year of the linux desktop" has already passed. I loved using it and it didnt get in my way. Thats exactly what a *good* OS is meant to do.
I've used windows for years, tried Mac OS for one year.
Like 6 months ago I've started driving into Linux and tried everything from Ubuntu to arch without systemd and a self configured Arch distro.
The learning curve was steep in the beginning, but when you master the basics and start customizing your distro it becomes so much fun.
Also, I now have an os that idles between 800 and 900 mb ram usage and looks as well as feels more fluid and modern than both windows and Mac. Just because there isn't such an obscene amount of stuff I will never use installed and running.
I settled on Fedora btw. Arch is cool and very rewarding, but in the end I am too lazy to properly maintain an Arch install. Ubuntu / Debían, well the app repositories.
Fedora is almost as up to date as Arch. Dnf never broke my system like the Aur and besides Ubuntu it's the only distro I've tried which worked flawlessly right after installing it.
I only kinda miss the excitement of fixing stuff myself when using Fedora, it's just been stable to the point where I get bored 😅
Good point..i was comparing win to linux just for the sake of it without thinking abt what i actually need..
I think you said it. Most average consumers just need a web browser. And also most basic consumers just use the default that comes on whatever laptop they buy. So either Mac or Windows depending on what they're comfortable with and used to. The fact you have to go out of your way to install Linux makes it a nerdy option that will never be mainstream. I love using Fedora, and let's be honest, like 95% of what I do is on my web browser.. but still, I had to go out of my way to install it.
I think quality was definitely an issue for a while, even the most reliable distros of the old time like ubuntu would occasionally break (whether at users fault or not...) especially on updates, this pretty much doesn't happen anymore and updates are very smooth and simple.
Battery life wise, preinstalling linux would let hardware manufacturers optimize the kernel specifically for their laptop model by simply adding a small repository and maintaining it.
The only thing we need is a linux section in your local media markt, that's pretty much it. People *will* buy it much like they buy vastly inferior chromebooks regardless of their limitations and app incompatibility.
12:30 Chromebooks dont run Photoshop?? Is this some Mandela effect I'm having? I remember them running photoshop for some reason
They can run MSOffice and Photoshop but only the Android versions. Or you could install a Linux VM in the settings and install Crossover in the VM but that wouldn't work well... 🍷
I agree with you totally. It’s just not gonna happen that the masses adopt it, especially creatives for reasons that I won’t go into considering that horse corpse is already a pulp.
Cause Adobe is in spike with Windows and doesn't want to develop a Linux versions of their products?
_"especially creatives for reasons that I won’t go into considering that horse corpse is already a pulp."_
I have no idea what that meant :O
Making good points, i mean, just to not go through compatibility troubleshooting i just dual boot windows and Arch
My partner, who was afraid of using Linux before getting it pre-installed on the work laptop and is now completely used to it after just a few weeks, is more than proof Linux is perfectly ready for the common user.
Hmm yes.
I especially like the battery take.
I would like to see that the SteamDeck will make a slight dent in that curve of adoption.
Next Step. More devices with Coreboot would be cool.
There are two major issues FOR Linux, not with Linux: Linux is not on laptops that are in stores like Wal-Mart. Chromebooks had a chance because they are everywhere, now, pre-installed; Steam, as a lot of people who are SWITCHING to Linux are gamers - personal experience, my games on Steam, most of them flatout don't work with me: some are way too laggy to be viable, and some just show a black window before immediately crashing itself.
Linux is good enough, it's people not supporting Linux, which is the problem. I can even speak that most people in my school, except really technical people, have NEVER heard of Linux, and most of the technical people have never tried it except one, and it's been a long while since they have. It feels like I'm the only one that uses Linux in the school as a daily driver.
Yet all the students know Windows and ChromeOS. Why? Because it's sold where they shop all the time. Until they pop up in Wal-Mart and other local vendors, people will never hear of Linux.
At least ChromeOS has Crostini for Linux apps (even if it is very slow), and its upcoming Steam support may finally get developers to move from Windows since Steam Deck alone won't be enough for widespread Linux adoption.
i like the pragmatic and realistic approach. i particularly enjoyed the jab at apple cultists.
im having issues with wayland on my macbook. screen flickering isnt an issue on x11 but on wayland. Im running Fedora! i dont hate wayland, its just buggy on my hardware.
I think default android apk support could take a distro like Ubuntu a long way
There is Waydroid for that. It just needs some more integration
@@AP-kx4yw yeah windows 11 has android application support, I'm surprised that linux distros don't have this yet (a reason why chromeos,a gentoo based distro is so popular is because people like the convenience and features of mobile apps, which are not available in web form,a lot of user also like the choice of games for low end computers),I have tried anbox(waydroid is based off of anbox) and must say it's extremely janky.
@@THEONEWHOKNOCKS697 Waydroid is not Anbox. It works the same way but it uses a much newer Android version (10) and is much faster and more stable. They are also working on a package manager for Waydroid that could be integrated via packagekit into the Software Stores
What we need is some sort of cross containerization that would allow any app to run easily (without installing Wine) on Linux or Windows. I’d hate to think the browser could do that… what could possibly go wrong, right?
I agree with you 100% , though I do think there's also other factors like not having a deep incentive to get a team together and polish out one distro from some fork. Maybe Steam OS and similar projects from first parties who do have that incentive will bring a lot of development with it that will stick around.
the games I play can't run on linux without getting my account restricted so I've yet to make the change