That's your typical anti-fan boy comment, calling a big tech company evil without really understanding how the world works. All big tech companies are the same. Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix, Apple. It's all the same.
i have a m1 mac as a hand me down from my dad cause he didnt want it and i refuse to use the app store on it. and all my apps are apps avaliable for other platforms.
I'm 100% committed linux user, both in my day job and in my free time. But, you probably should have given mention to homebrew in the software installation section. I've worked on mac and work with many devs who use mac. Every single one uses homebrew for installing tools and for software library management and would not consider working on mac without it.
@@jothain Chocolatey is a package manager in a loose sense of the term - it goes out to find installer executables from the official source and executes it for you, and it doesn't manage windows's underlying packages. It's not exactly the same as package managers as they exist on the Unix-like systems. It would be better described as a command line software center.
I think you really should have mentioned gaming; Steam has so few titles support for MacOS, however Steam's Proton has made every single game in my library easily playable with no issues.
@Mohammed Mesum Hussain chrome OS is just a custom Linux distro 🤣. Based on Gentoo linux. Also chromebooks have pretty low end hardware, idk if gaming is even possible. Maybe Half Life 2?
@Mohammed Mesum Hussain why use a proprietary linux distro when you can have many better ones that don't collect your data and have more, better software? ChromeOS is a meme
@Mohammed Mesum Hussain windows containers are coming to ChromeOS, wine is installable and CrossOver Office is available as an official app. I think Steam will be natively supported soon too.
My biggest gripe with MacOS gaming is limited 32bit support, but mainly very few games support ARM, even on Windows or Linux. Gaming on Intel Mac's is still a better experience for maximum gaming.
With Apple obsoleting their own hardware. You won't find that without hacking. I mean I have 2 MacBook's. A 2017 MacBook Air and a 2020 M1 MacBook Pro. The Air won't be supported by the upcoming macOS Ventura. Even though it's only 5 years old. Either I'm sticking with macOS Monterey, or go the less legal way by patching it so it will run Ventura.
depends on what you consider a „good experience“. It is very subjective. There are some features that you just can’t have on linux no matter on which hardware you run it 🤷♂️
I'm not ready to ditch my Lenovo Yoga yet since it's still going strong but once I am, I'm seriously considering getting a laptop from one of your sponsors. Linux has come a long way where I can ditch Windows 99% of the time (other times it's because doing online exams and such require Windows/MacOS from my uni). For now, I daily drive my Linux gaming desktop 99% of the time for everything from gaming to schoolwork. The laptop is there for being on the go and I just remote into my desktop (either RDP or SSH). Thanks for being part of our wonderful community and helping Linux move forward!
If you can get a laptop with two drives or the possibility to add a second one. That's what I have going and I can choose windows or Linux on the grub boot menu. I rarely open windows at this point but sometimes I do need to use software that only runs on windows. Sadly I can't get away from that completely.
Maybe those online exams could work for you with an User Agent switcher. Thats simply put a Browser Extension that tells the Website you are a Windows or Mac User :)
After switching from macOS to Linux a few months ago, I can say the only continuing edge macOS has over Linux is its _conherence_ of experience. I have never, not once, had a drag and drop issue with macOS, whereas I experience them daily on Linux where sometimes an application doesn't support a drag from the desktop but it does from Nautilus. Or having to copy paste a file from an external drive into my Documents folder so I can copy paste it again into an application like Discord. Linux has an inherent patchworky experience because almost nothing is standardised; nothing is coherent across the entire experience.
@Nicolas MIARD Just yesterday I tried to drag a file from a zip file onto the desktop... and that's not a super fringe thing to do, right? Not supported :P Very often Linux feels like a mobile operating system, like Android or iOS, where you're attempting to 'share' a file with another app. I've now, both on my phone and on my desktop gotten into the habbit of not sharing / dragging to Discord, but going to Discord and selecting the file. It's just easier that way... but it needn't be.
@Nicolas MIARD Heh, well, I certainly didn't get a say when GNOME removed desktop file support. And sure, it depends on the desktop environment and the distribution but that _really_ doesn't excuse the issue though, does it? I often end up in these stoner-esque arguments where they insist that if only I spent enough time searching for just the right strain, I'd find something perfect for me... and it's like... even if that's true, why should I have to do that to have a coherent user experience? I've been doing a kind of in-Discord miniblog called "Problems I've had since migrating to Linux/Android" and people get _MAD_ because they're entirely desperate to re-assign blame. For example, when I complain that I can't play a particular game on Linux, their first instinct is to absolve Linux of all blame and point the finger entirely at the developers. There's _some_ truth to that, but even ignoring that and the nuance around noted difficulties for developers with supporting Linux, they have completely missed the point of the miniblog, which is to point out issues I've experienced as a result of using Linux. Whether or not the issue is due to the Linux kernel or the distro or the environment or a particular app is completely beside the point.
So, you think drag and drop is the only way to move something? I prefer cut and paste anyway which Linux/Mate does flawlessly. So it takes a few seconds longer? At least something doesn't get dropped where you don't want it. I have lost things in a directory with hundreds of files and didn't see which one using drag and drop. It has it's uses, but not in file management. At least I don't have Big Brother Microsoft/Apple/Google making sure I behave.
@@palomarjack4395 Hon, drag and drop was an example. I use Linux myself. I just upgraded to Fedora 38. You're not a white knight for jumping to Linux's defence over some UI criticism. Sheesh.
@@lodgin Uh, "hon", I don't care. And contrary to what you "think" I was thinking, I was not trying to save anyone from themselves. Just offering an opinion, as I have a right to do, just as you have to agree or not. Sheesh.
The window management on MacOS - particularly making fullscreen the default mode on the green button - is infuriating. If you didn't know, you can hold the Alt/Option key down for more (non-fullscreen) options with the green button. I recently found out there is an open source app "rectangle" to give the snap feature.
You're totally right about the full-screen split screen, i feel like they added that for ultra niche work flows in video editing suites on massive screens 😅 it feels totally useless for day to day work where you're not in ultra focus mode.
Yeah, I had never thought about that before, but that is a seriously lacking area on MacOS, as is the inability to single-click an app’s icon on the dock to bring it back.
I have both an M1 MacBook Air and a gaming laptop running Linux instead of Windows. I use them both for coding. I really like the Mac because the M1 chip is just so powerful and the battery life is amazing. I also like the sync with my iPhone which is primary reason why I'm not installing Asahi on it. I feel like the macOS workflow is good enough for me even though it isn't perfect (and I'd argue no default workflow is 100% perfect for anyone, there will always be something that you don't like abou it).
The reason I'm not installing Asahi on mine and why I don't use mine much anymore is because it just isn't ready. Oh, and I like gaming, and I'm actually able to play EVERY game on Linux I can on Windows minus one 2009 game which is almost completely broken on Linux. Can't do that on ARM...
yeah I agree, I use mainly a Windows desktop for gaming and work, but I have an old macbook air that apple dropped support for the latest MacOS-es, so I switched to linux because I like to use an up to date OS and Catalina ain't it, but if they offered support I would still be happily using it.
Same here, I switched to Apple ecosystem this year after using 7 years of Linux. I cannot overstate the convenience of Apple ecosystem. I get literally 18 hours of battery life from my macbook air. I never used Apple devices in my life but after 10 months of fully into Apple world, I can say, Mac is what Linux should copy not Windows, if they need to capture more market share from Windows.
@@TheCommonSenseForRegularPeople I would say congratulations, but now you're bound to a single company dictating what can and can't go in your walled garden. I really hope Asahi Linux keeps up development...
Windows XP isn't the worst-looking OS ever designed in the entire history of all OSs, that crown goes to Linux as well. It's called Hannah Montana Linux.
12:47 That hurt! 😢 Windows XP is such an integral part of my childhood. I’m 20 now, I was 9 when I first started using computers. And windows XP was my first computing experience. I think it looks unique and that’s part of what makes it special for me.
@@sids2766 Uh… no? Depends on how you look at it. I was born in 2002. I was 9 years old in 2011, I got to use Windows XP on an old computer I had and my family didn’t have a laptop with Windows 7 yet, only my parents had Vista.
I actually use a Windows XP theme with MATE on Mint, though only partially. The taskbar is something else, but all the windows use XP-like title bars and borders.
I can confirm that dragging the dmg into the applications folder was confusing to me when I first learned to use MacOS. One problem with assuming simplicity of any UX method is that these "simple" actions are often learned instead of intuitively understood, and different conventions might make as much or even more sense than your interaction method (e.g. why drag a dmg into an applications folder if I could instead double-click and it auto-installs?) such that a user may not even understand the "simple" interaction in your UX design.
Well, the dmg usually comes with an image that renders such that it suggests moving the application to the applications folder. The problem isn't that you couldn't understand how it worked, it's that you made the assumption that things were the same on one system as on another. People who make this assumption will always have a hard time moving to another system, whether from Windows to Mac, or Linux or the other way. As often is said, the people who struggle most to move to a new Operating System are the "computer savvy" people: they know how to use a computer, but only in the way in which they learned how to use it.
@@mckendrick7672 I made no assumption that it would work exactly like Windows or Linux. I knew going into it that MacOS had different UX conventions and I'd have to figure out how it worked. I'd say the problem was that the signifiers were confusing, since when I saw the 'drag to applications folder' window, I thought it was just a static tutorial image telling me how it worked. So I tried opening a second Finder window (which I also had to figure out) to go to my applications folder there and drag the DMG from downloads folder on the first Finder window into the applications folder on the second Finder window. Eventually I figured out that the dmg drag could be done within the popup window instead. If only the popup window had a mouse hover highlight over the dmg then maybe I would have recognized it. So I was willing to learn the new UX conventions and recognized they were different, but the confusion meant there truly was a problem in me not understanding them very quickly.
@@ReDesignEverything I can barely figure out how to do anything on MacOS side, or if i do figure something out it's a complicated multistep mess over a simple and fast 1-2 click it's on every Linux DE or WM I've used and Windows. To my eyes MacOS is an os made for braindead people that tries to be simple yet is way more complex than Linux.
Linux is now a quite legit OS for gaming with all the work Valve has put into Proton over last months. Now there are millions of linux gamers even if major part game only on the Deck. You cant say that Mac is even a decent gaming OS. There are linux gaming laptops, where are mac gaming computers?
@@rumble1925 actually it is not a weak argument. I require from any OS to be able to run any type of the program that I throw at it. Not talking about specific programs, but rather specific workflows. If the Mac would be advertised as gaming OS but wouldn't support any type of office suite you would call it rubbish OS. Thus on the same principle I call Mac a rubbish OS because it's rubbish in gaming. Both Linux and Windows support not only gaming but all other professional use cases. Apple just plainly ignore the problem. Being focused on one area doesn't justify outright ignorance in others.
@@bufordmaddogtannen Not quite. NVIDIA dropped support for MacOS because they and Apple are behaving like a couple of 3-year-olds. If I remember correctly it was some stupid fight about how drivers should be signed smh.
@@joakim6537 yes and no. Historically Apple wrote the drivers. When they had a tantrum and dropped support for Nvidia cards, Nvidia was still providing drivers for download. They were called "web drivers" and worked up until High Sierra included. Then Apple changed the OS (dropped support for opengl and forced the use of metal) and the way drivers are loaded, which made these web drivers useless, so Nvidia stopped development. There are reports of these working in monterey with a 1060(?) , but you need to use opencore and possibly a modified kernel, and be very careful when applying updates. In the end, with a hackintosh it's cheaper to switch to an AMD card.
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That is why it is called hackintosh. Zero support from any of the software is included. Even if you are trying to install a more recent Macos on a 10 year old iMac you will not manage to do it without assuming ou are headed the unsupported way. But again, as in Lunux, in Mac you also can.
I would like to note that if you press the option button before clicking the window resize button, you can actually place a window in the right or left half of the screen without switching into fullscreen mode. I personally still find it much less intuitive and usefull than linux window management
Always going to be a difficult one for me to hear to be honest as I daily drive both Linux and macOS. Personally I can’t support the macOS Out of Box experience is worse than Linux because whilst I have customised my macOS experience with 3rd Party add-ons, I have also had to do the same for Linux as there is also zero consistency between all the different Linux distributions and windowing systems (X11, Wayland etc) I’m more focused on security and as macOS and Linux are long distance cousins, I much prefer to use Linux server and a macOS client for my data than anything produced by Microsoft. Yes, I agree Apple is a large organisation and buying product from them does feed that machine; however, my M1 MacBook hardware and the OS integration is slick and well supported unlike the fragmented Linux world. Great developers in Linux are working hard on their forks and versions of Linux but this has produced a number of OSs which lack end user focus, polish and support. In turn this often leaves the end user trying to figure out from countless forums what changes they need to make in the Linux command line to get the app they want to run on their chosen distribution. Often without success.
Linux's greatest desktop strength vs mac & windows I think comes from the windowmanger side of things, rather than the desktops that try to copy the typical windows and icons thing. i3, dwm, xmonad, openbox, etc. Virtual desktops are much easier and faster to use on linux than mac/windows, and if you can grab/resize windows by holding alt or something then you realize things like window title bars are just a waste of space. Virtual desktops make the concept of minimizing obsolete. Icons on the desktop are a stupid idea, because the point of your system is to run apps, so fiddling with windows to move them out of the way to interact with your desktop is just a waste of effort. This is the kind of thing that annoys me the most when on a mac or windows system. All the windows fiddling, constantly adjusting, moving, minimizing, restoring. On linux I tend to open my applications on the virtual desktops I want and they stay there for like a couple weeks, never a need to manipulate anything.
4:12 "instead of just adding the features everyone is used to they decided to reinvent how things are done and introduced more problems" sounds an awful lot familiar lol
I bought my first mac after I saw in 2010 in the signature of an admin on a Russian-speaking Arch Linux forum that he owned a Macintosh. When I asked him why Mac? He answered - because MAC OS is like Linux on good hardware, but you don't need to tweak it.
One thing I’ve seen only in Apples finder view is when you list a finder window you can set it to show file sizes AND folder sizes. It’s important to me and the users I support in marketing
My biggest issue with Linux is DE-centric apps. If only all GUI apps played nice no matter the DE, it would be fantastic, but the divide only seems to be growing. I want Kate to look native on GNOME and I want Gedit to look native on KDE for example. (out of the box)
@Xspire First of all, notice of my bias, I write a portability toolkit, Petit-ami. There are two basic strategies of toolkits with respect to native look and feel. The first is to have the TK be layered ontop of the base API, which would be Xwindows, GTK, QT, etc. This means that the TK picks up the underlying look and feel by default. The second is what I will call "imitation", which is using a non-matching base API, but by creating a drawn layer (widgets, window frames, etc) that imitate the existing API. TKs like FLTK (fast light toolkit) are examples of the former. GTK itself is an example of the latter. Realize that theming is not a magic cure all, it just means you have tables of characteristics, mainly coloring, but could be characteristics like rounded corners, animated pointers, etc. If the "tweak" is not in the theme database, then it "ain't a gonna happen", and perhaps all widgets don't implement all theme characteristics. The big advantage of a layered TK is that it automatically inherits the underlying look and feel. I use both methods, layered on Windows, imitation on Linux/Gnome, because GTK is huge and it was simpler to imitate the GTK LNF than to implement the entire TK on GTK. Also, that leaves me the ability to also imitate QT/KDE at some point in time (in my copious spare time :-), So again, that says to developers, get outside of GTK/QT, breathe, look around. These aren't the only TKs out there. Now lets back up and take a 30,000 foot view. If you are a developer, you are responsible for your interface. There is no rule that says you have to use the widgets that came with your TK. There are likely quite a few programs where the developers decided to implement their own widgets, its not rocket science. And so matching the look and feel of the app to the system is the developer's job. Is Linux a mismash of LNF? Oh yes. I've seen Gnome, motif is real popular (openoffice and gitk), apps that custom widgets that don't match anyone, etc. That situation is not much different on Windows really. The only apps that match windows perfectly are the ones that only run on Windows. Even in that case, lots of apps there that have custom features for a real "pro" LNF.
a sort of co-worker got a new-ish Lenovo and i put Mint on it. Runs like a freakin' top, all the laptop functions work, mousepad 2 finger scroll, etc. She even used KDE Connect to connect her iphone and it works flawlessly. The material seems somewhat cheap if you really get to looking at it, but hey, she came from a 15 year old Toshiba that just didn't want to install anything on it. Linux Mint and Lenovo is not a bad choice at all. And she got it for about $400. She's ecstatic.
I shifted to linux in 2021 from windows, tried gnome, xfce and kde plasma but finally settled on gnome due to less bugs and the beautiful overview after gnome 40+. 😇 Edit: and also good functionality through extensions.
Snapping and Maximazing in an application without going full-screen is possible but very obscure. When you want windowed maximize, you need to press 'Alt'/'Option' and than long-press the maximize button of the window for windowed snapping or a short click for windowed maximize. If you window snap, you won't have to select a second app either ;). Apple thinks this is very usable, because Apple thinks Apple does everything perfect. Obviously this is ridiculously over complicated just to manage a window. I do not know what they smoked when they got this idea.
This ridiculously over complicated way of managing windows is due to Microsoft patents that they have to find alternative implementations to work around - they didn't have a proper full screen mode until lion because of it.
@@mckendrick7672 Though they could just limit it to regions outside of the U.S., where software patents don't exist. The fact that the MacBooks with a notch STILL have broken menu bar icons when you have too many blows my mind. I mean, why should I have to pay for ANOTHER third-party program for BASIC FUNCTIONALITY!?
Wait for your package manager to give you an ununderstandable fail message and spend hours to fix the program (which can oftenly happen and no other installation methods will help)
4:41 I am a relatively tech savvy person that mostly uses windows and linux and rarely ever macOS. I had no idea you were supposed to drag something into the programs folder, i always ran the programs straight from the .dmg and i just assumed that there was something wrong with the shitty old macs at my school lol.
They literally.... tell you... to drag and drop them.... to applications... *the folder is literally right there* My mom was able to figure that out and she has the most basic computer knowledge.
@@ashisharky not all packages will tell you this. Some will gladly tell you exactly what to do while others will just have an icon in a window with nothing else. Not the fault of MacOS itself but rather package distributors. But the good thing is once you learn to just drop AppImages into the application folder, either by a good package teaching you, or by looking it up ,one will never second guess it again.
I’m a fan of both environments - Lately though I’ve been favoring the Mac environment for day to day driving and support of commercial software packages. With Linux VM’s running I can still have my Linux love - the reverse is a bit more of a pain.
Just to clarify a couple misconceptions about MacOS mentioned in the video. I think a lot of people don't know about this because they think of Apple as a walled garden but it's not really anymore walled off than anyone else. I use Linux on my personal machines everyday but Linux and MacOS are cousins and closer than you think. MacOS has 2 package managers to choose from Homebrew and Macports. They work exactly like apt or Pacman. For window tiling there is multiple ways to do that with free apps an app called tiles comes to mind. If you like i3 or bspwm there is amethyst for Mac which gives you a tiling window manager.
Package managers of MacOS typically run best with more recent versions, like 10.15 or later (which is only 3 years old, and Apple is already dropping support for it in Nov 2022). If you have an older machine which can't be upgraded to a recent OS version, it can be much trickier to use MacOS package managers. On the other hand, repository support for older versions of Linux is much easier to find.
@@stephenaustin3026 I agree, but thats not what I meant by the post. Staying up to date with Apple hardware is the Apple business model as well as most other hardware manufactures, but Apple has the unique problem of handicapping hardware after Mac support is over making alternative like linux harder to use on their machines. But I do see your point.
I have Fedora installed on my leisure computer and RP4, but the only thing that keeps me on macOS in a professional capacity is music production. I write music for commercial media as my full-time job and even though there is a good DAW software on Linux, all industry-standard VST manufacturers only distribute to either Windows or Mac, which renders any Linux DAW pretty much useless. There's only so much you can port in Bottles before you start losing your sanity. It really sucks because I am really devoted to what the Linux community has achieved until now.
I use both daily, and yeah window management on macOS is insane, the rest of the UI is perfect and seemless - drag+drop support is amazing for example, but god damn what happened to window management
@@mckendrick7672 for window snapping indeed, not sure why they couldnt make the dock positioning sane or fix window swtching to actually switch though **all** open windows
@@wileysneak Well, dock positioning isn't particularly a problem for most mac users - it can be moved to the sides, or hidden when not in use, I just don't think many people who use Mac care. Window switching is annoying, I think it has to do with the paradigm that Mac OS has always followed - it doesn't particularly care about individual windows, it cares about the whole application. The whole application is a single "process", and thus Mac OS manages it as such and the application can make another window but the window is a part of the application's process. If Mac OS were to manage windows directly it would probably require applications to declare which windows should be managed by Mac OS as many programs use this self control to create interfaces that can't be done on Windows without being clumsy - like Photoshop. I'm sure they could find a solution, they just don't care to because it isn't a big enough problem. Personally I wish Linux could follow this process paradigm while still managing windows individually - nothing annoys me more than accidentally shutting down the last window of an application I still need and having to wait for it to load again, especially the slow ones.
@@mckendrick7672 i run 4 screens and the dock will follow me around to different screens if docked to the bottom, and will be useless if docked left/right i do enjoy the application style switching but it's bad with multi monitor, imagine you have one app on a different workspace on your primary monitor and cmd+tab switch to it while using an active window on your secondary monitor, it wont switch workspace to show you the window they absolutely "don't care" - the money is in making macOS look/feel more like iOS and stage manager is a part of that i guess during normal causal use, macOS is fine, but when work needs to get done window management does kinda suck but if i could fix that thing with the dock i'd be happy
I take exception to you saying XP is the worst looking looking OS in history. Because XP is an OS from 2002 and not subjected to today's "beauty" standards (and man, was it fast to use on rigs that were less powerful than a smartphone from ten years ago. A modern OS may be "beautiful", but it's a MASSIVE bloatware on ANY hardware), but mainly because if you ask around you'll find that the UNDEFEATABLY worst looking OS's ever created were... Windows 8 and 8.1.
One domain for me where Linux does not cut it versus Mac (Or WIndows) is Audio. Getting a stable low latency configuration is still a nightmare. Even if it is achievable, I never succeeded in maintaining it in the long run, it consistently ended being broken by updates. Audio routing when you have multiple devices is still bad, same for handling multiple MIDI devices. (Example, having your DAW launched with JACK for one audio interface, but still be able to get sound from TH-cam on another interface, without any manual tinkering). And I am not even including Bluetooth in that conversation. Yes it can be achieved, but never in what would feel an easy, straightforward, dependable way. For all the other domains, yes , I could live with Linux. One note of hope, I haven't tried Pipewire yet, but it sounds promising.
Interesting.. I can't remember having any audio issues in windows at least not in the last 25 years or so. And I do remember getting audio set up right was a bit tricky around 15 years ago in Linux; but no issues lately. But on my current 2019 MacBook Pro (I could only choose between Mac and Windows, at my new job) I have a persistent issue with sounds clicking and popping in several apps; sounds like power is being snapped inn or off as if unplugging a microphone cable without muting the channel first. In Firefox it happens every time sound playback is paused or unpaused but it happens occasionally for no reason during playback in any app too. Lately it has also started to buzz like a kazoo on the left, but that might be some debris that the undersized air intake slits have vacuumed up and deposited onto the speaker, though strangely I cannot hear anything rattling inside, but still the problem comes and goes randomly. The hardware of the MacBook is just terribly designed, not only does it constantly hiss like a small jet engine without even managing to keep the chassis cool despite only having a 5-20% CPU load, but those tiny hissing slots it tries to suck air through is also so sharp that I have sliced up my hands badly twice. (After which I sacrificed a nail file to file off all the sharpest edges all around the chassis until they were no longer knife sharp)
@@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug I haven't used Windows for a long time, but I also remember I had a stable experience with it. Also agreed with the 2019 Intel Macbook, I had one for one week before jumping to the M1 hype train. The M1 air (despite a few issues with older plugins) is the best and most powerful laptop I ever owned.
2:50 There aren't thumbnails of windows because cmd+tab doesn't switch between windows, it switches between programs. Which is hopeless in many circumstances. If I recall correctly, cmd+> and cmd+< switches between windows within a program, but I don't think that has thumbnails. Also, I have had issues with fullscreening multiple windows from the same program, in that they don't stay in order. I know which one is on the left and on the right, but MacOS switches that based on which one was most recently used.
I use both Linux(Linux Mint to be specific) and Mac, Linux is running on my custom built machine, much more smooth, and no need to worry about software out of date for support. The only critical feature I wish to have on Linux is the keyboard short cut like Mac. I know it's possible to achieve the same by installing some package, it will be much better to have it out of the box.
Daily drive both and honestly I do agree with most of the points here. I wish I could go linux only but the macs just have some of the best hardware honestly, the performance these things pack while being so thin and light is honestly mindblowing not to forget they last like 10-12 hours without breaking a sweat.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 "Macs don't have the "best hardware" because Macs are ultimately manufactured on the very same Chinese production lines that every other piece of standard PC hardware is manufactured on." Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah, the M1, M2, the secure enclave, etc etc suuuure is available for every manufacturer that uses a "Chinese production line"....your comment would be vaguely correct in the Intel era but they still had alot of custom designed chips. Ontop of that "hardware" is more than chips, trackpad, sound chip, speaker design & engineering etc etc. And the software is more than drivers, Darwin/XNU still have better memory compression & timer coalescing (which is the main factor for the improved battery performance under macOS, Linux and Windows timer coalescing & scheduler still don't match that of macOS & it's not due to hardware limitations), the Nest scheduler for Linux looks promising, so hopefully that can improve things, but still, your claim that it is just to get out and get the hardware with the best drivers and that is the same thing as what one would get with Mac hardware is not true, you would still miss out on the previous mentioned features (and those where only 2-3 examples of subsystems) But yeah, overall, your comment is an extreme oversimplification, yes, computer manufacturers (especially on the laptop side) have closed the gap significantly (and in some areas some laptops have surpassed Mac laptops) but yeah, to claim you can basically just go out and get same hardware as a Mac is....yeah...no
@@Jeppelelle The same in terms of performance, and cheaper too. As an added bonus what you can buy that isn't Apple specific uses an x86 chip and thus is just better overall anyway.
I’m gonna have to disagree with some of your points about window management. A lot of the issues that you pointed out can be solved with some simple applications. There’s one called easy, resize and move which implements a lot of things that you were complaining about. There’s also tiling managers if you want it keyboard shortcuts to maximize, minimize, restore, switch to, etc.. do you have to realize that macOS is different. And it’s going to be a different experience. So, to say that one is better than the other is anecdotal, and heavily weighted towards someone’s preferences. I was a linux user desktop user for 14 years. I recently switch to macOS. There was an adjustment period. And I find that I get around just fine. I used to use i3 and KDE and also khronkite for Kde. You just have to go into it knowing that it’s going to be different and setting it up how you Best see fit one is not better than the other. Oh, there’s also an application called alt tab, which restores thumbnails I’m sorry man I love you but this video is super bias.
How can you compare Linux and MacOS like they are running in a vacuum? Linux on laptop is still full of issues (CPU getting hot, battery drain, GPU acceleration is not supported even on a desktop, fractional scaling issues etc.) While on the other hand Apple triumphs with their laptops demonstrating perfect hardware and software symbiosis. I am a big fan of both Linux and MacOS but let's be honest...
I agree on all of it except the app installation part. When installing apps outside of the store it's not easy to get the launcher to see the new apps. i.e. no desktop file is created. And I still haven't found a way to use flatpak apps as deftault app for filetypes. That is very easy on MacOS.
As a Mac user who also dabbles in Linux and would like to switch to it full time in an ideal world (but unfortunately linux is still just not QUITE there for me yet in certain areas), I agree with you 4 out of 5 of these points, with the (partial) exception being software installation. It's not perfect, and the security vault is indeed REALLY annoying but I found it very easy to work out how to install applications on a Mac right from the get go, whether it be from the store or the web. On Linux however, I have had some REAL headaches installing software. Installing things that are available in the graphical store is very easy when it works, and they are much more complete than the macOS or Windows stores, and t's not even close, but I've found so many of them to be extremely buggy and unreliable, meaning I often had to resort to using the terminal which is just simply a lot less user friendly an intuitive, especially to new users. The real issue however comes from installing software from the web, which I've had to do from time to time. Some are easy, but others are just needlessly complicated to have them install and integrate properly into the OS and have it recognised as an application that you can launch from the apps menu of your Distro. I'm certainly far from an expert in using computers / computer operation systems, especially in comparison to a lot of Linux users but I'd say I'm pretty competent, definitely more so than the average Windows or macOS user, and honestly I have been beyond frustrated trying to work out how to get some app installations to work on Linux. Personally I think simply dragging the app into a dedicated applications folder is very intuitive (plus the standard installer flat out tells you to do this in you to do this in order complete the process, as shown in your video so I'm confused as to how some people couldn't work that out) in comparison to installing apps from the web on other desktop OS, and from the App Store it's the exact same process as on Linux, except VASTLY more reliable in my experience. As cliché as it is to say, Installing software on macOS just... works. I've literally never had a single issue installing an application on macOS in over a decade of using it.
I agree. I've used Linux around 20 years now and I very rarely use gui tools to install software. However occasionally I'll have a look at the current state of the default desktop experience on the desktop and try a graphical installer. I swear to god, almost every time they don't work well, freeze or outright crash. The last one I tried was Fedora's fairly recently, I want to say I tried to use it to install the teamviewer rpm or something. I think the problem is that nobody actually uses these tools anyway, likely including the developers that write them XD. At the end of the day it's not exactly hard to type "sudo dnf install gimp" people claiming that's not "user friendly" are swimming in their own prejudice. It's different, but it's also simple and more robust than any gui tool could ever be. I've never been a big apple fan, but actually I think they have always nailed software installation. It's a much more consistent and controlled experience on Mac than the nightmare that Windows is with everyone installing software in a dozen different ways, writing stuff randomly all over your computer and registry. Linux package management is fantastic... until you need something outside of the repository. At that point it's a disaster. A disaster that the Linux community has mostly ignored, and occasionally even sometimes has intentionally created for philosophical reasons. In the last years there have been new efforts to help with this appimage, flatpak, snap, etc... however commercial applications still have not started using them, most still target specific versions of specific distributions with native package formats. Or some "good luck" tarball package.
I'm no Apple fan at all, butbI need to say that Mac Os limited hardware support has advantages : it is optimised to work with specific components, and will less likely crash. It is also why Macs have a greater lifespan.
From what I understand the big snapping / tiling problems with Mac come from legal issues with regard to implementing window snapping - Microsoft holds a patent on it. Linux gets around it because the developers are small fish rather than a huge company like Apple. For the same reason Mac OS X didn't have a proper full screen mode until Lion I believe it was (because microsoft had patented it so they had to find a different implementation - moving the full screen window to a different workspace).
Though there's a conspiracy theory that GNOME 3 was made the way it was because of Microsoft threatening to sue over patent infringement, which while KDE developers came to an agreement with Microsoft, GNOME developers didn't.
@Earthling-Z3R0 Yeah, it's stupid, but it's the implementation that's patented, not the general idea. So, moving the window to the edge of the screen so that it snaps the window in the way we are familiar with would be using the same implementation Windows does.
@mckendrick7672. That's not true about macOS and Fullscreen. MacOS has always had a fullscreen mode. It's the interface designers at Apple let fullscreen support be dictated by the app Designer and not the OS. So each app vender were allowed to choose if they wanted full screen or not for their apps. Every OS has fullscreen. Even the old Unix OSs.
It's not just the user interface that matters, the hardware/software marriage on Apple laptops is way more stable than any other PC laptops. Now, don't take me wrong I have used linux for over 16 years and it was my day to day desktop since Redhat Linux 7.2, but since M1 pros I no longer worry about the stability of my system.
I think .dmg files are mac's version of appimages on Linux. They are the same thing in concept, n'est pas? Especially when you use appimager manager, you drag the appimages to the applications folder in Linux and then it integrates into the UI etc. Very much like those dmg files
Hi, Nick. Long-time subscriber, first-time commenter. I have an M1 MacBook Pro provided by my employer, and I run Linux on my personal Microsoft Surface Pro 6. I have used Elementary OS and Linux Mint Cinnamon; currently I am running Ubuntu 22.04/Gnome 42. (I also run Ubuntu Server 20.04 on a Lenovo ThinkCentre M72e Tiny, which I use as a headless storage and media server.) Linux is an amazing value: fast and efficient, great community support, and modern DEs look as good as (or better than) anything from Apple or Microsoft. There are just two things I wish it could do as well as macOS: 1. My MS Surface has a HiDPI screen, which I scale to 200%; I have it connected to an external 1920x1200 monitor, which I run at 100%. I had difficulty with fractional scaling under X11, which is why I ultimately switched from Mint to Ubuntu (Wayland). Native GTK apps just work: I can move windows between monitors, and they automatically adjust their scale accordingly. But I have not found a way to get qt and Electron apps to automatically adjust their scale when I move them between monitors. MacOS and Windows handle different-scale monitors effortlessly. 2. The other macOS feature I miss when using Linux is the ability to enter extended characters without futzing with a Compose key. Want to enter a typographic quotation mark? Option + {. An em dash? Option + -. Want to enter an ‘e’ with an accent? Hold down the ‘e’ key, and macOS pops up all the variations of accents and diacritics. No fancy configuration required, it works out of the box. There are some Linux utilities that implement macOS key mappings, but they require X11 (and I have not found anything that pops up a list of alternative characters when I hold a key). If Linux could implement these two features, I would not give macOS a second look! Thanks for your channel, I really enjoy it.
While the mac devices' hardware is amazing (especially on new m1 and m2 based devices), I usually find limitations in terms of memory management. Booting up macos consumes roughly 4GB and I find myself closing programs a lot sooner than on Linux distros (e.g. Manjaro Xfce). Linux kernel 6.1 is going to further improve memory management with MGLRU while I am not sure if macos will get any better performance wise as new versions get released.
As if RAM in 2022 is still an issue. If that is a deciding factor if the base OS uses 4GB ram or 2GB, then I wonder what kind of computer you use. This reminds me of the 90s when the entire Linux community created the software library dependency hierarchy nightmare because they argued that a library should only be installed once across the entire system to save HDD space, unlike Windows where all library dependencies are bundled into each program. Thanks to Linux users being concerned about saving a few Kilobytes here and there, we now have Linux's worst feature -> library dependencies.
@@mariaobrien1753 RAM is an issue if you're not rich or need to use more RAM than will fit in your Mac. A mac with more than 64 GB doesn't exist below $5000. Hell, Macs are for rich people in general unfortunately. I do agree that library dependencies were a nightmare 10 years ago, but have been solved for a number of years now. (Windows dll hell!!)
😂bruh. Macs can do content creation with 8GB … and iPhones run on 1/2 ram of Android What have you been smoking? You need to be rich to upgrade to 16gb? What?!?
@@billmiller4800 Such a scam with Macs how minimally outfitted and difficult to upgrade they are. 64 GB is like maybe $200 worth of RAM. A 1 TB SSD is maybe $100 these days.
The biggest plus is about repository act like an appstore inside an appstore. Just like a center mall with appstores built-in. Linux did something greate inside. If Valve merge Steam with Discover(KDE) this could be an awesome crossover appstore features.
Excited about Stage Manager but that's only because I have an ultrawide, on other screens it might become problematic. As a sidenote. since things have become a matter of tweaking what's good, this means that at some point all OSes will reach a point where window handling is fine :-)
Some of the appeal in the US is operability with iPhones. They re basically the default choice and the gateway drug to all things Apple. Also, the interoperability between Apple devices and platforms is very appealing. Sometimes I gaze wistfully at their interoperability, but I'm staying staunchly in Linux/Android.
When I first switched from Windows to Ubuntu 8 years ago, I found the transition incredibly easy and didn't find any aspect of Ubuntu difficult to deal with. It was just intuitive. However when I started having to do things on macOS at work, I found it highly frustrating and it was a pain to get it to do what I needed. Some Mac people tell me I don't like Mac because I'm simply not used to it. But then why did I find Ubuntu so seamless on my first experience by comparison? Other Linux distros I've used since were just as joyous to use.
Great Video as always. Now, I was wondering if you could make the opposite for this videos like "things macos do better than linux". That would be a great feedback for the linux community. Especially that you're a linux user yourself, you can add context to the specific area that needed attention
Had a conversation with my boss (a mac user) about Linux a while ago. He said: "Ah, Linux! Isn't that MacOS for poor people?" I responded "No, it's macOS for mentally rich people" He never made a negative comment about my OS of choice ever again
men really, 1.- Totally true 2.- just 1% of the people want to configure something 3.- yes maybe apple could be more flexible letting you to install Mac OS everywhere but that not how the apple business works 4.- "nobody hack us because we are less than the others" total bull$it 5.- customization? I just never change my ubuntu icons I just never see my wallpaper I don't even remember it. Come on. I came here to see some kernel implementations or something interesting not this kind of new linux user bull$it. We need to be more demanding about linux if we want to see it get better. And about the start, Mac OS Is linux but without the project fragmentation.
@@TheLinuxEXP don't worry. MacOS ventura will feel even more like Gnome since someone decided to revamp the settings app adopting a list view. The fact that you'll need more clicks to do the same things it's a detail. Also Steve is not there anymore to stop this kind of nonsense, so...
It's my first year at university, I'm studying computer science, and I was horrified when I saw that 60% of the computers were macs. I thought "oh no, but at least they're supposed to work pretty well i guess", and then I met the terrible window management, terrible keyboards (especially here in france), and terrible shortcuts. Now I always have a full-size 2010 keyboard in my backpack, but it doesn't fix the window management.
I came from macOS (long time user, over 30 years) and still use both side by side. Innovation died with Steve Jobs, and the finder and window manager are mostly unchanged from over a decade ago. Overall, Linux is just way more fun! I can do far more with it, and I wish macOS would take note and catch up. It has the potential to be so much better than it is. One thing I'm going to disagree with is the App Store. It is by far the best experience of any app store/software centre on any platform. It is secure, includes code signing, and it's easy to find what you need. I've said a lot that software centres on linux needs to catch up and be more usable. The biggest hindrance is software discovery. Many Linux software stores/centres have all the apps you could want but good luck finding what you need in a sea of choices that all look the same. Some human curation would really help. Not to mention the ability to monetize it to compensate/donate to developers. Flathub is working on that last one, and it is sorely needed.
7:00 Sorry but I installed Nobaro. Added enpass to the repo and I can install it via dnf but NOT via the GUI package manager. All too often Linux GUIs Suck. Same goes for any Arch based GUI. Often apps aren't there yet they can be installed via cli.
I used the M1 Mac Mini when it first came out but had to return it because MacOS was not a good experience for me and I can easily customize Linux to look just like it.
I moved away from Linux to Apple ecosystem in 2022. I am mostly agree with you after using Mac for 10 months. But still Apple ecosystem is great, seamless and convenient. I personally use Mac studio, iPhone, Airpod, Macbook air, iPad - the seamless syncing of workflow, browser etc. across ipad, mac or laptop provides too much value to me. Those who doesn't want that, understandable. But if someone value convenience, then Apple has the best ecosystem in the world.
Homebrew is the MacOS package manager. You can script a lot of stuff with brew. MacOS strong point is the dock. Gnome for some reason refuses to make their dock configurable. Mac menu bar is also better. Still looking to get Fedora on my MacBook Pro when I have time.
As I mentioned there is a internet page on how to do scripting from the terminal. "How To Make and Run Batch Files In Terminal In Mac OSX" and then there is AppleScript (25 years old) and JavaScript. Heck, Apple itself has a page called "About shell scripts in Terminal on Mac".
Hello, I hope you will read this! I was inspired by you to take my first steps in linux, I downloaded termux on my tablet and I am working with a wireless keyboard. So far I have file manager, browser, text editor and soon mail client, all from terminal! I am amazed at what I can do, keep spreading the word!
I converted to Linux about a year ago now after a 12 year romance with apple, being one that plays around with music making software it made sense when macs "just worked" but i got really tired of being constantly harassed by mac OS to allow me to do thing I was telling it to do, also I got a brand new M1 and within a 18 months it had become obsolete because mac OS is just a pig, literally could not have more than a few browser tabs open without some kind of slowdown, this was often fixed with an update but such updates would often break most of my more obscure pieces of software, mix this with not being able to add an extra stick of RAM and the decision was made to switch, now have twice the hardware for half the price.
I'm not so bleeding edge with Macs, but my mini from 7 years ago has slowed to a crawl. I don't understand how apple manages to throw away so much performance.
Weird. My wife is using a mid-2012 MacBook Pro, and it’s working like a champ. Granted, she can’t install the latest version of the OS and doesn’t do anything processor intensive like making music, but it doesn’t crawl in general like the other comment says. At the same time, I’ve got the last Intel MacBook Pro before the M1 came out, and it doesn’t run a whole lot better than hers does with Logic, which is super disappointing. If only Linux had an equivalent DAW…
My 2011 MacBook Pro with a broken graphics chip can run more than 2 browser tabs without issue... No idea what the hell you’re doing with your computers but it’s not normal.
@@thesullivanstreetproject My wife is happy with her 2012 mac air. I think its a matter of expectations. I have a AMD 32 core desktop with 64gb main memory and a 2 TB m.2 internal drive. I find other machines slow. It heats up the room. I have an i7 laptop with 8gb and 2tb drive that burns my lap when it gets going. Similarly, my work machine is an i7 thinkpad with similar statistics. Life is too short for slow computers.
To me the selling point of Linux systems is the ability to run almost the whole operating system as I want. I can install minimal distro (Void in my case), and starting with raw TTY build my system. This way I know what I have installed, running in the background or so. And because of that fact I can customize everything (which to me is a side-effect of minimalist approach). This not only makes the system more pleasant to use, but also more productive, which should be the most important goal for all operating systems. But you have to like to tinker. If you don't then ready-to-use distros have selling points you mentioned.
The window management and UI design choices are the biggest weaknesses of macOS, for me. The static top bar taking up space instead of being part of the dock, the doc being way bigger and more cluttered then I'd ever want it to be, the lack of a proper pop up app menu, lack of really any basic window snapping/tiling management features, the list goes on. It genuinely feels terrible to use compared to any other OS, regardless of any advantages it might have besides.
You make some interesting points, but to me these are minor annoyances. My main concern is to have a stable and coherent (as another commenter put it) environment to do my work. The macOS has offered me this. As far as hardware cost, my home computer is a refurbished 2013 15" MacBook Pro that I bought directly from Apple with full warranty in 2014. Cost me less than a brand new one, but just as good. My work laptop is a 2015 15" MBP. They both run fully-supported recent versions of macOS. I don't have any stability or incompatibility issues. I think that I, and my employer, got our money's worth in both cases.
i recently started a job where they only use macs. it is mostly fine but it takes some time to get used to those missing features. i am used to windows and that has way better window management.
To be honest despite not having window tilling i do prefer the UI on mac os. So for most tasks I use macOS and Linux for my desktop, running containers and such is better in linux i need to recognise that, so I'm quite divided I like Linux for somethings and macOS for others. in linux the most annoying thing is drivers for some devices like Logitec Keys and the logitech mx3 mouse or getting the best configs for a RTX3080Ti. Picture is a bit jumpy despite the GPU and 96GB of ram and a screen with support for 240fps nad linux only recognises 120fps max... There are quite a few issues on linux from my view. I also just use gnome as I dislike the windows style menus and such... I really like the simplicity and consistency of the macOS UI I dont need 300.000 options to customise the UI of my system. I know logitech is not the best in supporting linux but I wanted something (keyboard and mouse) that I could use with my macbook Pro and my desktop machine with a touch of a button I can switch now. :) there are good and bad things in both in my eyes.
I am pretty worried about that security-through-obscurity line. I am unsure whether or not that would still remain the case if ever Linux becomes more popular. It's the philosophy of "Oh, we're safe because we're not known" and yet we try to make it as known as possible through videos like this. It's like we're contradicting ourselves when talking about security in this aspect. What REALLY makes Linux more secure aside from obscurity?
Since people keep talking about the security, I'll say this: Windows and MacOS have security partly through obscurity. With the source code not readily available no one but Microsoft and Apple developers can inspect their own code. So how secure they really are no one but them really know, however the odds are overwhelmingly that they aren't at all. Linux on the other hand has seen extensive testing in the server space and has proven pretty dang solid. Nearly every security vulnerability I've seen exploited with Linux servers has been due to human error, not all, but most. Now, if we're talking local security, then none of them are secure unless you encrypt your drives and require a password to access it, but even that can be bypassed if you have local access to the computer.
As a developer, I have been using all three major operating systems for a long time, and right now I am mainly using MacOS. I therefore feel qualified to respond to the points mentioned in the video. Window management: Yes, by default MacOS is just not good at that. Period. If I install Magnet or Spectacle, the points are gone. And then I can show you some things with it that your Linux can't do by default ;). And for Alt+Tab there is an app called AltTab. Brings pretty much 1:1 the Alt+Tab of Windows10/11 into MacOS. Software installation: Brew. Brew has no GUI, but easily puts Apt (and co.) and WinGet in your pocket without any effort. In terms of software availability, Brew leads by a wide margin in my opinion. Since there are many commercial software solutions known from the Windows world under MacOS, which are not available under Linux, and these can also be installed and managed via Brew, with a few exceptions, this point goes for me clearly to MacOS. When I get a new Mac, I install Brew, get a long list of software packages from a text file and wait until Brew has installed everything for me - always in the latest version, of course. Alternative repositories are also available here if you need them. Hardware Choices: Ok, you don't have a choice in the Apple world. But you get relatively good hardware for the money you pay. Apple devices are expensive, but not too expensive. If you work with the devices professionally, then the price is okay in my opinion. The money is quickly earned back. Security: Some valid points, but I don't accept "security by obscurity" as a security feature. The point "security" is difficult to discuss because security-reducing effects very often come into the system through 3rd party components and the actual operating system can't do much for it, and then the reasons for security gaps in detail are also incredibly diverse and not often have to do with the person in front of the screen. Customization: For me, it is more important that everything runs smoothly than that I can visually customize my system. When it comes to personalizing the system from a functional point of view, MacOS offers a lot of possibilities. I am not an Apple fanboy. I don't own anything from Apple except my Mac. And I have an incredible number of things that bother me about MacOS. The most pressing point is the non-uniform shortcuts for navigating within different text editors. And other points are super annoying as well. There are a few professions for which a Mac is just the right tool. These are mainly creative professions. If there is no good reason how macOS can be useful to you in achieving your goals, you should rather avoid the system.
As a matter of fact, I DO want to make a user interface work like Windows XP. Never mind that it was ugly -- it worked! The version of KDE that was available in the mid-to-late 2000s actually let me do this. Unfortunately modern versions of both Windows and Linux desktops don't seem to want to let me do this (and seem to have gone downhill in other measures of quality as well -- not impressed with the stability of Ubuntu Linux 20.04, for instance), whereas modern MacOS versions (admittedly I'm now a few versions behind) seem to have crawled up out of the nightmare that was MacOS 10.0 to a mediocre but at least consistent experience.
You're forgetting that MacOS 10 was a *vast* improvement from classic Mac. Akin to Microsoft's transition from nt4/win98 days to win2k/xp. It turned it into a modern and stable os. If you want a desktop that is kind of like classic windows I would try XFCE (it's available on any Linux distro), it's pretty close by default, but with a little customization you get it even closer. Plus it's lightweight, snappy performance, and feature complete.
@@entelin It is now, but the first several iterations of MacOS 10 were not improvements -- I know, because I used a few in the early 2000s at work, and they were torture to use -- very buggy with respect to stability and with respect to user interface. Versions from the last few years ARE a vast improvement, but I would still rather have a debugged Windows XP interface . . . which versions of KDE from the early-mid 2000s through early 2010s almost were. I'll have to keep XFCE in mind -- thanks for the suggestion.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio I'm not saying original versions of macos x were great... But I used classic mac before that, and it was a mess. Applications would crash the whole system, memory leaks, freezing, multitasking was generally just terrible. etc. But all that was basically par for the course at that time with windows 9x being just as bad.
@@entelin That also depends upon which versions of Classic MacOS you are talking about. In my experience, the twin peak of quality for those was System 6.0.7 (maybe should call this Antiquity MacOS?) and System 7.1 (where they got the bugs of System 7.0 worked out), and then quality went downhill fairly rapidly from there, to where System 8.0 really was a terrible mess like you said. The multitasking in System 6.0.7 and System 7.1 wasn't great, but at least those were quite reliable for what they did, whereas later versions weren't. System 9.0 seemed marginally less bad than 8.0, but by then it was too late, since MacOS X was on the way in, terrible as it was for the first several versions (as was Antiquity MacOS, by the way -- that needed to get up to System 4.something to become usable).
In my opinion, as a Linux user and IPhone owner, the best advantage of Linux is being able to run easily on practically any pc, from the cheap low-end to the expensive high-end machine. We can't say the same about MacOS unfortunately
MACINTOSH COMMAND LINE. Click the magnifying glass icon that Apple calls "spotlight". A menu will pop up. Click on "Terminal". The command line will be basically the Bash command line with some variations such as !! to repeat the previous command.
I found the App Store on MacOS lacking in the large variety of apps I was used to having access to on Linux which was quite a surprise to me. I thought there would be so many options to choose from but was disappointed with the selection offered.
As much as I like the Mac their App Store blows goats from a catapult in terms of finding things.
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@@Maximara from a "broken catapult" if I might add...very few free software is published there because everyone is affraid of draconian Apple laws, and because of feature copy by apple. If you publish it there, apple will know when you are usefull just by the sheer download numbers.
@ Actually it is more a case of what "free" software is published there has In-app purchases or seems to have been programmed by repeatedly slamming one's head into a keyboard. At best the App store for the Mac is for people who are overly paranoid or lazy; as worst it is a badly designed waste of space. What grinds my gears is when things LibreOffice (Free) ask for money ($9) and for some reason it is limited to 11.x and above. You are better off seeing if GIMP, KeePass XC, QuickSilver and hundreds of other free programs can run natively on the Mac.
Linux is a tool, just like Windows or MacOS. Which tool is best for you depends on tastes and task needs. I need native support for MS Office because $JOB, and I need a solid terminal app (my eyeballs and $JOB). For me, those two things pushed me into Mac.
MacOS with homebrew and yabai feels like using Linux except with all the major third party applications supported out of the box. I love Linux dearly but for a lot of people there are still applications that don't support Linux that are absolutely necessary for daily use, and when the options are between macOS and Windows I'll take mac every time :). I miss the total control of your system and wide range of hardware support from Linux, as well as the privacy and fully libre lifestyle, but macOS fills the gap pretty well. Although I must say the external monitor support on Applie Silicon Macbooks is ATROCIOUS, 1440p is a blurry and color-shifted mess
In maxOS, you can force the menubar to be visible at allt times, instead of auto-hiding which is the default. Under settings. But yes, it is annoying when you are used to other OS:s. The most popular package manager for macOS is Brew. But I don't think it is used to distribute all kind of apps. There is also Mac Ports. I admit that since macOS is a closed system with an experience decided by Apple, it is not a s customizable as Linux environments are.
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Mac user since 1989, and I agree with almost every point you make. The reason to use a Mac comes down to two things: a tightly integrated ecosystem with the iPhone, iPad etc and extremely high-quality apps that don't exist on other platforms. I'm not talking about the likes of Office: it's the smaller developers who do the best work. Take, for example Things, which is by far the best and most useful task manager on any platform. That's not to say Linux doesn't have great applications of its own. But the most important point which you raise is simple: privacy and trust, and that's the best reason to run Linux (and why I'm typing this on a ThinkPad running Ubuntu).
The hardware fully supported by Linux is very limited. There are very few laptops that will work with Linux out of the box, and they will work just with one specific distro or a few. Mac hardware is superior, the M1 chip is something Apple exclusive, and if you tried a MacBook Pro M1, you know it's just better than any CISC processor for a number of reasons. MacOS just works, Linux doesn't: you will always has to fix or configure something. The $500 you need to spend for a Mac are nothing if you consider the time you will have to spend to configure and tune your Linux distro. A Mac is just a better choice, unless you really need Linux or you want to go cheap, and run on a old Thinkpad.
Full screen on split screen in macos is perfect while coding/browsing. It’s the epitome of getting out of the way. It’s a feature that every linux DE is lacking, not the way around…. Although in general i am keen on agreeing that linux has generally way more advantages than macos, i really don’t agree with most of the examples you picked and have thought of many other examples on my own… this happens more often than not, but i still appreciate your content.
I really liked OS X in the days of the big cat versions, then went away. Came back for a little while and discovered it seemed more intrusive, and full of secret handshakes. "Oh, to do that you hold down while clicking "; and you find that out by Googling. Nor is sliding the icon of the dmg into the icon of the apps folder intuitive, at least to me. The problem with directive, "intuitive and simple" interfaces is that they often aren't. I think, now, I'd even prefer vanilla GuhNome to the Mac UI.
Press Alt when maximising and the window will adapt to a specified size. Try it. In MacOS I mean 😅 You need some more usage with Mac to know really how it works.
BTW - I use arch/dwm. MacOS is not as bad, as a matter a fact if you want to get things done Mac is the way to go. I used homebrew for many years which got me all the linux tools. Spending hours trying to figure out why sound is not working working or why a laptop does not wake up from suspend is not something most end users want to deal with. I only use my Mac for youtube cause I already got my Arch setup the way I want it.
One thing I absolutely love about MacOs is how convenient is the implementation of the Text To Speech function and its superb quality. It is very convenient for who reads a lot in front of the computer. Happy to be proven wrong, but I don’t think there is anything like that in Linux.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Then what? Your comment seems to be about speech to text, not text to speech. I like the convenience of having the computer reading text for me.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 your comment does not make any logical sense. They are two distinct applications to accomplish two different tasks. And that being said, their usefulness is completely unrelated to one’s level of literacy about computers.
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Nostalgia is a pretty good reason to make your Linux look like WinXP.
Really looking forward for Kasm to support KDE Plasma. Much better integration & (default) options IMHO.
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You forgot Linux's most crucial advantage: you don't fund Apple's scummy business practices by using it.
That's your typical anti-fan boy comment, calling a big tech company evil without really understanding how the world works. All big tech companies are the same. Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix, Apple. It's all the same.
Yeah or evil CEOs
👏 Bravo!!!
Like no charger in the box and unfair pricing phones (iPhone 14 starts from 1K euros in my country what the fuck)
i have a m1 mac as a hand me down from my dad cause he didnt want it and i refuse to use the app store on it. and all my apps are apps avaliable for other platforms.
I'm 100% committed linux user, both in my day job and in my free time. But, you probably should have given mention to homebrew in the software installation section. I've worked on mac and work with many devs who use mac. Every single one uses homebrew for installing tools and for software library management and would not consider working on mac without it.
I mentioned you can get pretty much any command line tool on MacOS, I was thinking of homebrew but I should have mentioned it
@@TheLinuxEXP Homebrew casks also allow you to get a large majority of GUI apps through the command line, just like on Linux.
And homebrew is also available on Linux.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Well just cause it's there if needed. Just like Windows has Chocolatey.
@@jothain Chocolatey is a package manager in a loose sense of the term - it goes out to find installer executables from the official source and executes it for you, and it doesn't manage windows's underlying packages. It's not exactly the same as package managers as they exist on the Unix-like systems. It would be better described as a command line software center.
I think you really should have mentioned gaming; Steam has so few titles support for MacOS, however Steam's Proton has made every single game in my library easily playable with no issues.
I love that so much about Linux now. Finally can totally replace windows
@Mohammed Mesum Hussain chrome OS is just a custom Linux distro 🤣. Based on Gentoo linux. Also chromebooks have pretty low end hardware, idk if gaming is even possible. Maybe Half Life 2?
@Mohammed Mesum Hussain why use a proprietary linux distro when you can have many better ones that don't collect your data and have more, better software? ChromeOS is a meme
@Mohammed Mesum Hussain windows containers are coming to ChromeOS, wine is installable and CrossOver Office is available as an official app. I think Steam will be natively supported soon too.
My biggest gripe with MacOS gaming is limited 32bit support, but mainly very few games support ARM, even on Windows or Linux. Gaming on Intel Mac's is still a better experience for maximum gaming.
What I really love about Linux is you can still have a good experience on a 20 year computeror even a Pi Zero. I'd like to see MacOS do that
With Apple obsoleting their own hardware. You won't find that without hacking.
I mean I have 2 MacBook's. A 2017 MacBook Air and a 2020 M1 MacBook Pro. The Air won't be supported by the upcoming macOS Ventura. Even though it's only 5 years old. Either I'm sticking with macOS Monterey, or go the less legal way by patching it so it will run Ventura.
@@SandsOfArrakis Try out linux on it?
@@Nk-ti4st Just installed Ubuntu 22.04 LTS on a 2015 macbook pro, works like a charm
depends on what you consider a „good experience“. It is very subjective.
There are some features that you just can’t have on linux no matter on which hardware you run it 🤷♂️
I'm not ready to ditch my Lenovo Yoga yet since it's still going strong but once I am, I'm seriously considering getting a laptop from one of your sponsors. Linux has come a long way where I can ditch Windows 99% of the time (other times it's because doing online exams and such require Windows/MacOS from my uni). For now, I daily drive my Linux gaming desktop 99% of the time for everything from gaming to schoolwork. The laptop is there for being on the go and I just remote into my desktop (either RDP or SSH). Thanks for being part of our wonderful community and helping Linux move forward!
If you can get a laptop with two drives or the possibility to add a second one. That's what I have going and I can choose windows or Linux on the grub boot menu. I rarely open windows at this point but sometimes I do need to use software that only runs on windows. Sadly I can't get away from that completely.
Maybe those online exams could work for you with an User Agent switcher. Thats simply put a Browser Extension that tells the Website you are a Windows or Mac User :)
hope the studies go well bot do not waste time on TH-cam too much :-)
After switching from macOS to Linux a few months ago, I can say the only continuing edge macOS has over Linux is its _conherence_ of experience. I have never, not once, had a drag and drop issue with macOS, whereas I experience them daily on Linux where sometimes an application doesn't support a drag from the desktop but it does from Nautilus. Or having to copy paste a file from an external drive into my Documents folder so I can copy paste it again into an application like Discord. Linux has an inherent patchworky experience because almost nothing is standardised; nothing is coherent across the entire experience.
@Nicolas MIARD Just yesterday I tried to drag a file from a zip file onto the desktop... and that's not a super fringe thing to do, right? Not supported :P
Very often Linux feels like a mobile operating system, like Android or iOS, where you're attempting to 'share' a file with another app. I've now, both on my phone and on my desktop gotten into the habbit of not sharing / dragging to Discord, but going to Discord and selecting the file. It's just easier that way... but it needn't be.
@Nicolas MIARD Heh, well, I certainly didn't get a say when GNOME removed desktop file support. And sure, it depends on the desktop environment and the distribution but that _really_ doesn't excuse the issue though, does it? I often end up in these stoner-esque arguments where they insist that if only I spent enough time searching for just the right strain, I'd find something perfect for me... and it's like... even if that's true, why should I have to do that to have a coherent user experience?
I've been doing a kind of in-Discord miniblog called "Problems I've had since migrating to Linux/Android" and people get _MAD_ because they're entirely desperate to re-assign blame. For example, when I complain that I can't play a particular game on Linux, their first instinct is to absolve Linux of all blame and point the finger entirely at the developers. There's _some_ truth to that, but even ignoring that and the nuance around noted difficulties for developers with supporting Linux, they have completely missed the point of the miniblog, which is to point out issues I've experienced as a result of using Linux. Whether or not the issue is due to the Linux kernel or the distro or the environment or a particular app is completely beside the point.
So, you think drag and drop is the only way to move something? I prefer cut and paste anyway which Linux/Mate does flawlessly. So it takes a few seconds longer? At least something doesn't get dropped where you don't want it. I have lost things in a directory with hundreds of files and didn't see which one using drag and drop. It has it's uses, but not in file management. At least I don't have Big Brother Microsoft/Apple/Google making sure I behave.
@@palomarjack4395 Hon, drag and drop was an example. I use Linux myself. I just upgraded to Fedora 38. You're not a white knight for jumping to Linux's defence over some UI criticism. Sheesh.
@@lodgin Uh, "hon", I don't care. And contrary to what you "think" I was thinking, I was not trying to save anyone from themselves. Just offering an opinion, as I have a right to do, just as you have to agree or not.
Sheesh.
The link between all the Mac devices and macOS is amazing. I’d prefer the Linux experience but it is just so easy to stay in their ecosystem.
The window management on MacOS - particularly making fullscreen the default mode on the green button - is infuriating. If you didn't know, you can hold the Alt/Option key down for more (non-fullscreen) options with the green button.
I recently found out there is an open source app "rectangle" to give the snap feature.
You're totally right about the full-screen split screen, i feel like they added that for ultra niche work flows in video editing suites on massive screens 😅 it feels totally useless for day to day work where you're not in ultra focus mode.
Yeah, I had never thought about that before, but that is a seriously lacking area on MacOS, as is the inability to single-click an app’s icon on the dock to bring it back.
@@thesullivanstreetproject GNOME lacks that too 😅 but you can add it to GNOME and to MacOS with third party apps/scripts.
You can press Alt/Option an you can do the split screen without the full-screen which should be the default.
I have both an M1 MacBook Air and a gaming laptop running Linux instead of Windows. I use them both for coding. I really like the Mac because the M1 chip is just so powerful and the battery life is amazing. I also like the sync with my iPhone which is primary reason why I'm not installing Asahi on it. I feel like the macOS workflow is good enough for me even though it isn't perfect (and I'd argue no default workflow is 100% perfect for anyone, there will always be something that you don't like abou it).
The reason I'm not installing Asahi on mine and why I don't use mine much anymore is because it just isn't ready. Oh, and I like gaming, and I'm actually able to play EVERY game on Linux I can on Windows minus one 2009 game which is almost completely broken on Linux. Can't do that on ARM...
yeah I agree, I use mainly a Windows desktop for gaming and work, but I have an old macbook air that apple dropped support for the latest MacOS-es, so I switched to linux because I like to use an up to date OS and Catalina ain't it, but if they offered support I would still be happily using it.
I mean with linux (and especially kde) you can have whatever workflow you wish under the sun due to how customisable it is
Same here, I switched to Apple ecosystem this year after using 7 years of Linux. I cannot overstate the convenience of Apple ecosystem. I get literally 18 hours of battery life from my macbook air. I never used Apple devices in my life but after 10 months of fully into Apple world, I can say, Mac is what Linux should copy not Windows, if they need to capture more market share from Windows.
@@TheCommonSenseForRegularPeople I would say congratulations, but now you're bound to a single company dictating what can and can't go in your walled garden. I really hope Asahi Linux keeps up development...
Windows XP isn't the worst-looking OS ever designed in the entire history of all OSs, that crown goes to Linux as well. It's called Hannah Montana Linux.
The first thing I did when I ran up a Win XP machine was to removed the Teletubby look and make it look like Win 2000
I agree. This guy is the most stupidest person i have ever seen on TH-cam 😂
12:47 That hurt! 😢 Windows XP is such an integral part of my childhood. I’m 20 now, I was 9 when I first started using computers. And windows XP was my first computing experience. I think it looks unique and that’s part of what makes it special for me.
If you started using xp at 9, you must be 30 plus now. We can calculate
@@sids2766 Uh… no? Depends on how you look at it. I was born in 2002. I was 9 years old in 2011, I got to use Windows XP on an old computer I had and my family didn’t have a laptop with Windows 7 yet, only my parents had Vista.
I actually use a Windows XP theme with MATE on Mint, though only partially. The taskbar is something else, but all the windows use XP-like title bars and borders.
One of the devs at my workplace was forced to use a MacBook after 8 straight years of running Linux on his PC, he is not happy, at all
I will never get why management would force a dev to use mac...
It is out of pure ignorance!
@@lepatenteux592 VSCode runs on the Mac like a charm. With all its plugins for software development and administration.
Don’t forget about the Homebrew and Nix package managers which can be installed. Much better than dmg files.
I can confirm that dragging the dmg into the applications folder was confusing to me when I first learned to use MacOS. One problem with assuming simplicity of any UX method is that these "simple" actions are often learned instead of intuitively understood, and different conventions might make as much or even more sense than your interaction method (e.g. why drag a dmg into an applications folder if I could instead double-click and it auto-installs?) such that a user may not even understand the "simple" interaction in your UX design.
Well, the dmg usually comes with an image that renders such that it suggests moving the application to the applications folder. The problem isn't that you couldn't understand how it worked, it's that you made the assumption that things were the same on one system as on another. People who make this assumption will always have a hard time moving to another system, whether from Windows to Mac, or Linux or the other way. As often is said, the people who struggle most to move to a new Operating System are the "computer savvy" people: they know how to use a computer, but only in the way in which they learned how to use it.
I really don't know how people get things done in Mac. The UI is pretty for sure
@@mckendrick7672 I made no assumption that it would work exactly like Windows or Linux. I knew going into it that MacOS had different UX conventions and I'd have to figure out how it worked. I'd say the problem was that the signifiers were confusing, since when I saw the 'drag to applications folder' window, I thought it was just a static tutorial image telling me how it worked. So I tried opening a second Finder window (which I also had to figure out) to go to my applications folder there and drag the DMG from downloads folder on the first Finder window into the applications folder on the second Finder window. Eventually I figured out that the dmg drag could be done within the popup window instead. If only the popup window had a mouse hover highlight over the dmg then maybe I would have recognized it. So I was willing to learn the new UX conventions and recognized they were different, but the confusion meant there truly was a problem in me not understanding them very quickly.
@@kvishnudev the primary reason for me getting shit done is that macos actually supports the software, I need
@@ReDesignEverything I can barely figure out how to do anything on MacOS side, or if i do figure something out it's a complicated multistep mess over a simple and fast 1-2 click it's on every Linux DE or WM I've used and Windows. To my eyes MacOS is an os made for braindead people that tries to be simple yet is way more complex than Linux.
Linux is now a quite legit OS for gaming with all the work Valve has put into Proton over last months. Now there are millions of linux gamers even if major part game only on the Deck. You cant say that Mac is even a decent gaming OS. There are linux gaming laptops, where are mac gaming computers?
Nowhere because the hardware is laughable for the asking price
@@rumble1925 actually it is not a weak argument. I require from any OS to be able to run any type of the program that I throw at it. Not talking about specific programs, but rather specific workflows. If the Mac would be advertised as gaming OS but wouldn't support any type of office suite you would call it rubbish OS. Thus on the same principle I call Mac a rubbish OS because it's rubbish in gaming. Both Linux and Windows support not only gaming but all other professional use cases. Apple just plainly ignore the problem. Being focused on one area doesn't justify outright ignorance in others.
Even on Hackintosh world, Mac OS has limitations.
You can't use modern NVidia graphics cards. Only some AMD graphics cards (not all them).
That's an os problem. Apple dropped support al together for Nvidia hardware.
@@bufordmaddogtannen Not quite. NVIDIA dropped support for MacOS because they and Apple are behaving like a couple of 3-year-olds. If I remember correctly it was some stupid fight about how drivers should be signed smh.
@@joakim6537 yes and no. Historically Apple wrote the drivers. When they had a tantrum and dropped support for Nvidia cards, Nvidia was still providing drivers for download. They were called "web drivers" and worked up until High Sierra included.
Then Apple changed the OS (dropped support for opengl and forced the use of metal) and the way drivers are loaded, which made these web drivers useless, so Nvidia stopped development.
There are reports of these working in monterey with a 1060(?) , but you need to use opencore and possibly a modified kernel, and be very careful when applying updates. In the end, with a hackintosh it's cheaper to switch to an AMD card.
That is why it is called hackintosh. Zero support from any of the software is included. Even if you are trying to install a more recent Macos on a 10 year old iMac you will not manage to do it without assuming ou are headed the unsupported way. But again, as in Lunux, in Mac you also can.
I would like to note that if you press the option button before clicking the window resize button, you can actually place a window in the right or left half of the screen without switching into fullscreen mode. I personally still find it much less intuitive and usefull than linux window management
Always going to be a difficult one for me to hear to be honest as I daily drive both Linux and macOS.
Personally I can’t support the macOS Out of Box experience is worse than Linux because whilst I have customised my macOS experience with 3rd Party add-ons, I have also had to do the same for Linux as there is also zero consistency between all the different Linux distributions and windowing systems (X11, Wayland etc)
I’m more focused on security and as macOS and Linux are long distance cousins, I much prefer to use Linux server and a macOS client for my data than anything produced by Microsoft.
Yes, I agree Apple is a large organisation and buying product from them does feed that machine; however, my M1 MacBook hardware and the OS integration is slick and well supported unlike the fragmented Linux world.
Great developers in Linux are working hard on their forks and versions of Linux but this has produced a number of OSs which lack end user focus, polish and support.
In turn this often leaves the end user trying to figure out from countless forums what changes they need to make in the Linux command line to get the app they want to run on their chosen distribution. Often without success.
You are right, the flexibility of Linux is great to tinker and get out new ideas but bad for usability.
Yep. How many distros of Linux does it take to drive a 4K monitor.
Linux's greatest desktop strength vs mac & windows I think comes from the windowmanger side of things, rather than the desktops that try to copy the typical windows and icons thing. i3, dwm, xmonad, openbox, etc. Virtual desktops are much easier and faster to use on linux than mac/windows, and if you can grab/resize windows by holding alt or something then you realize things like window title bars are just a waste of space. Virtual desktops make the concept of minimizing obsolete. Icons on the desktop are a stupid idea, because the point of your system is to run apps, so fiddling with windows to move them out of the way to interact with your desktop is just a waste of effort. This is the kind of thing that annoys me the most when on a mac or windows system. All the windows fiddling, constantly adjusting, moving, minimizing, restoring. On linux I tend to open my applications on the virtual desktops I want and they stay there for like a couple weeks, never a need to manipulate anything.
4:12 "instead of just adding the features everyone is used to they decided to reinvent how things are done and introduced more problems" sounds an awful lot familiar lol
I bought my first mac after I saw in 2010 in the signature of an admin on a Russian-speaking Arch Linux forum that he owned a Macintosh. When I asked him why Mac? He answered - because MAC OS is like Linux on good hardware, but you don't need to tweak it.
A big one is filesystem support. Given the correct fuse modules are installed
One thing I’ve seen only in Apples finder view is when you list a finder window you can set it to show file sizes AND folder sizes. It’s important to me and the users I support in marketing
My biggest issue with Linux is DE-centric apps. If only all GUI apps played nice no matter the DE, it would be fantastic, but the divide only seems to be growing. I want Kate to look native on GNOME and I want Gedit to look native on KDE for example. (out of the box)
Its possible to design independent look and feel apps on Linux, if you get outside of the GTK/QT infrastructure/war.
@Xspire First of all, notice of my bias, I write a portability toolkit, Petit-ami. There are two basic strategies of toolkits with respect to native look and feel. The first is to have the TK be layered ontop of the base API, which would be Xwindows, GTK, QT, etc. This means that the TK picks up the underlying look and feel by default. The second is what I will call "imitation", which is using a non-matching base API, but by creating a drawn layer (widgets, window frames, etc) that imitate the existing API.
TKs like FLTK (fast light toolkit) are examples of the former. GTK itself is an example of the latter. Realize that theming is not a magic cure all, it just means you have tables of characteristics, mainly coloring, but could be characteristics like rounded corners, animated pointers, etc. If the "tweak" is not in the theme database, then it "ain't a gonna happen", and perhaps all widgets don't implement all theme characteristics.
The big advantage of a layered TK is that it automatically inherits the underlying look and feel. I use both methods, layered on Windows, imitation on Linux/Gnome, because GTK is huge and it was simpler to imitate the GTK LNF than to implement the entire TK on GTK. Also, that leaves me the ability to also imitate QT/KDE at some point in time (in my copious spare time :-),
So again, that says to developers, get outside of GTK/QT, breathe, look around. These aren't the only TKs out there.
Now lets back up and take a 30,000 foot view. If you are a developer, you are responsible for your interface. There is no rule that says you have to use the widgets that came with your TK. There are likely quite a few programs where the developers decided to implement their own widgets, its not rocket science. And so matching the look and feel of the app to the system is the developer's job.
Is Linux a mismash of LNF? Oh yes. I've seen Gnome, motif is real popular (openoffice and gitk), apps that custom widgets that don't match anyone, etc. That situation is not much different on Windows really. The only apps that match windows perfectly are the ones that only run on Windows. Even in that case, lots of apps there that have custom features for a real "pro" LNF.
a sort of co-worker got a new-ish Lenovo and i put Mint on it. Runs like a freakin' top, all the laptop functions work, mousepad 2 finger scroll, etc. She even used KDE Connect to connect her iphone and it works flawlessly. The material seems somewhat cheap if you really get to looking at it, but hey, she came from a 15 year old Toshiba that just didn't want to install anything on it. Linux Mint and Lenovo is not a bad choice at all. And she got it for about $400. She's ecstatic.
I shifted to linux in 2021 from windows, tried gnome, xfce and kde plasma but finally settled on gnome due to less bugs and the beautiful overview after gnome 40+. 😇
Edit: and also good functionality through extensions.
Snapping and Maximazing in an application without going full-screen is possible but very obscure.
When you want windowed maximize, you need to press 'Alt'/'Option' and than long-press the maximize button of the window for windowed snapping or a short click for windowed maximize.
If you window snap, you won't have to select a second app either ;).
Apple thinks this is very usable, because Apple thinks Apple does everything perfect.
Obviously this is ridiculously over complicated just to manage a window.
I do not know what they smoked when they got this idea.
This ridiculously over complicated way of managing windows is due to Microsoft patents that they have to find alternative implementations to work around - they didn't have a proper full screen mode until lion because of it.
@@mckendrick7672 Though they could just limit it to regions outside of the U.S., where software patents don't exist. The fact that the MacBooks with a notch STILL have broken menu bar icons when you have too many blows my mind. I mean, why should I have to pay for ANOTHER third-party program for BASIC FUNCTIONALITY!?
Wait for your package manager to give you an ununderstandable fail message and spend hours to fix the program (which can oftenly happen and no other installation methods will help)
4:41 I am a relatively tech savvy person that mostly uses windows and linux and rarely ever macOS. I had no idea you were supposed to drag something into the programs folder, i always ran the programs straight from the .dmg and i just assumed that there was something wrong with the shitty old macs at my school lol.
They literally.... tell you... to drag and drop them.... to applications... *the folder is literally right there*
My mom was able to figure that out and she has the most basic computer knowledge.
@@ashisharky not all packages will tell you this. Some will gladly tell you exactly what to do while others will just have an icon in a window with nothing else. Not the fault of MacOS itself but rather package distributors. But the good thing is once you learn to just drop AppImages into the application folder, either by a good package teaching you, or by looking it up ,one will never second guess it again.
You don't need to be tech savvy to figure this out.
I’m a fan of both environments - Lately though I’ve been favoring the Mac environment for day to day driving and support of commercial software packages. With Linux VM’s running I can still have my Linux love - the reverse is a bit more of a pain.
Yeah, I feel exactly the same way.
I use Linux and macOS on a daily basis. In whichever camp you choose to be, we can all agree that both are better than Windows.
Just to clarify a couple misconceptions about MacOS mentioned in the video. I think a lot of people don't know about this because they think of Apple as a walled garden but it's not really anymore walled off than anyone else. I use Linux on my personal machines everyday but Linux and MacOS are cousins and closer than you think. MacOS has 2 package managers to choose from Homebrew and Macports. They work exactly like apt or Pacman. For window tiling there is multiple ways to do that with free apps an app called tiles comes to mind. If you like i3 or bspwm there is amethyst for Mac which gives you a tiling window manager.
Package managers of MacOS typically run best with more recent versions, like 10.15 or later (which is only 3 years old, and Apple is already dropping support for it in Nov 2022). If you have an older machine which can't be upgraded to a recent OS version, it can be much trickier to use MacOS package managers. On the other hand, repository support for older versions of Linux is much easier to find.
@@stephenaustin3026 I agree, but thats not what I meant by the post. Staying up to date with Apple hardware is the Apple business model as well as most other hardware manufactures, but Apple has the unique problem of handicapping hardware after Mac support is over making alternative like linux harder to use on their machines. But I do see your point.
I have Fedora installed on my leisure computer and RP4, but the only thing that keeps me on macOS in a professional capacity is music production. I write music for commercial media as my full-time job and even though there is a good DAW software on Linux, all industry-standard VST manufacturers only distribute to either Windows or Mac, which renders any Linux DAW pretty much useless. There's only so much you can port in Bottles before you start losing your sanity. It really sucks because I am really devoted to what the Linux community has achieved until now.
I use both daily, and yeah window management on macOS is insane, the rest of the UI is perfect and seemless - drag+drop support is amazing for example, but god damn what happened to window management
shout out to Onyx for the option to disable iOS-style prompts because that's also a dumb default
Microsoft patents happened.
@@mckendrick7672 for window snapping indeed, not sure why they couldnt make the dock positioning sane or fix window swtching to actually switch though **all** open windows
@@wileysneak Well, dock positioning isn't particularly a problem for most mac users - it can be moved to the sides, or hidden when not in use, I just don't think many people who use Mac care. Window switching is annoying, I think it has to do with the paradigm that Mac OS has always followed - it doesn't particularly care about individual windows, it cares about the whole application. The whole application is a single "process", and thus Mac OS manages it as such and the application can make another window but the window is a part of the application's process. If Mac OS were to manage windows directly it would probably require applications to declare which windows should be managed by Mac OS as many programs use this self control to create interfaces that can't be done on Windows without being clumsy - like Photoshop. I'm sure they could find a solution, they just don't care to because it isn't a big enough problem. Personally I wish Linux could follow this process paradigm while still managing windows individually - nothing annoys me more than accidentally shutting down the last window of an application I still need and having to wait for it to load again, especially the slow ones.
@@mckendrick7672 i run 4 screens and the dock will follow me around to different screens if docked to the bottom, and will be useless if docked left/right
i do enjoy the application style switching but it's bad with multi monitor, imagine you have one app on a different workspace on your primary monitor and cmd+tab switch to it while using an active window on your secondary monitor, it wont switch workspace to show you the window
they absolutely "don't care" - the money is in making macOS look/feel more like iOS and stage manager is a part of that i guess
during normal causal use, macOS is fine, but when work needs to get done window management does kinda suck but if i could fix that thing with the dock i'd be happy
I take exception to you saying XP is the worst looking looking OS in history. Because XP is an OS from 2002 and not subjected to today's "beauty" standards (and man, was it fast to use on rigs that were less powerful than a smartphone from ten years ago. A modern OS may be "beautiful", but it's a MASSIVE bloatware on ANY hardware), but mainly because if you ask around you'll find that the UNDEFEATABLY worst looking OS's ever created were... Windows 8 and 8.1.
One domain for me where Linux does not cut it versus Mac (Or WIndows) is Audio.
Getting a stable low latency configuration is still a nightmare.
Even if it is achievable, I never succeeded in maintaining it in the long run, it consistently ended being broken by updates.
Audio routing when you have multiple devices is still bad, same for handling multiple MIDI devices.
(Example, having your DAW launched with JACK for one audio interface, but still be able to get sound from TH-cam on another interface, without any manual tinkering).
And I am not even including Bluetooth in that conversation.
Yes it can be achieved, but never in what would feel an easy, straightforward, dependable way.
For all the other domains, yes , I could live with Linux.
One note of hope, I haven't tried Pipewire yet, but it sounds promising.
Interesting.. I can't remember having any audio issues in windows at least not in the last 25 years or so. And I do remember getting audio set up right was a bit tricky around 15 years ago in Linux; but no issues lately.
But on my current 2019 MacBook Pro (I could only choose between Mac and Windows, at my new job) I have a persistent issue with sounds clicking and popping in several apps; sounds like power is being snapped inn or off as if unplugging a microphone cable without muting the channel first. In Firefox it happens every time sound playback is paused or unpaused but it happens occasionally for no reason during playback in any app too.
Lately it has also started to buzz like a kazoo on the left, but that might be some debris that the undersized air intake slits have vacuumed up and deposited onto the speaker, though strangely I cannot hear anything rattling inside, but still the problem comes and goes randomly.
The hardware of the MacBook is just terribly designed, not only does it constantly hiss like a small jet engine without even managing to keep the chassis cool despite only having a 5-20% CPU load, but those tiny hissing slots it tries to suck air through is also so sharp that I have sliced up my hands badly twice. (After which I sacrificed a nail file to file off all the sharpest edges all around the chassis until they were no longer knife sharp)
@@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug I haven't used Windows for a long time, but I also remember I had a stable experience with it.
Also agreed with the 2019 Intel Macbook, I had one for one week before jumping to the M1 hype train. The M1 air (despite a few issues with older plugins) is the best and most powerful laptop I ever owned.
2:50 There aren't thumbnails of windows because cmd+tab doesn't switch between windows, it switches between programs. Which is hopeless in many circumstances. If I recall correctly, cmd+> and cmd+< switches between windows within a program, but I don't think that has thumbnails. Also, I have had issues with fullscreening multiple windows from the same program, in that they don't stay in order. I know which one is on the left and on the right, but MacOS switches that based on which one was most recently used.
Yeah, it's absolutely useless
I use both Linux(Linux Mint to be specific) and Mac, Linux is running on my custom built machine, much more smooth, and no need to worry about software out of date for support. The only critical feature I wish to have on Linux is the keyboard short cut like Mac. I know it's possible to achieve the same by installing some package, it will be much better to have it out of the box.
What kinds of shortcuts and what desktop are you talking about? Almost all of them have pretty robust remapping support.
Daily drive both and honestly I do agree with most of the points here.
I wish I could go linux only but the macs just have some of the best hardware honestly, the performance these things pack while being so thin and light is honestly mindblowing not to forget they last like 10-12 hours without breaking a sweat.
Yeah can't wait for Asahi to be fully ready so I can try one out!
"macs just have some of the best hardware" - you never heard about Louis Rossmann, have you?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 "Macs don't have the "best hardware" because Macs are ultimately manufactured on the very same Chinese production lines that every other piece of standard PC hardware is manufactured on." Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah, the M1, M2, the secure enclave, etc etc suuuure is available for every manufacturer that uses a "Chinese production line"....your comment would be vaguely correct in the Intel era but they still had alot of custom designed chips. Ontop of that "hardware" is more than chips, trackpad, sound chip, speaker design & engineering etc etc.
And the software is more than drivers, Darwin/XNU still have better memory compression & timer coalescing (which is the main factor for the improved battery performance under macOS, Linux and Windows timer coalescing & scheduler still don't match that of macOS & it's not due to hardware limitations), the Nest scheduler for Linux looks promising, so hopefully that can improve things, but still, your claim that it is just to get out and get the hardware with the best drivers and that is the same thing as what one would get with Mac hardware is not true, you would still miss out on the previous mentioned features (and those where only 2-3 examples of subsystems)
But yeah, overall, your comment is an extreme oversimplification, yes, computer manufacturers (especially on the laptop side) have closed the gap significantly (and in some areas some laptops have surpassed Mac laptops) but yeah, to claim you can basically just go out and get same hardware as a Mac is....yeah...no
Ya, it sucks that I have to charge my Linux laptop all the time.
@@Jeppelelle The same in terms of performance, and cheaper too. As an added bonus what you can buy that isn't Apple specific uses an x86 chip and thus is just better overall anyway.
I’m gonna have to disagree with some of your points about window management. A lot of the issues that you pointed out can be solved with some simple applications. There’s one called easy, resize and move which implements a lot of things that you were complaining about. There’s also tiling managers if you want it keyboard shortcuts to maximize, minimize, restore, switch to, etc.. do you have to realize that macOS is different. And it’s going to be a different experience. So, to say that one is better than the other is anecdotal, and heavily weighted towards someone’s preferences.
I was a linux user desktop user for 14 years. I recently switch to macOS. There was an adjustment period. And I find that I get around just fine. I used to use i3 and KDE and also khronkite for Kde. You just have to go into it knowing that it’s going to be different and setting it up how you Best see fit one is not better than the other.
Oh, there’s also an application called alt tab, which restores thumbnails
I’m sorry man I love you but this video is super bias.
How can you compare Linux and MacOS like they are running in a vacuum? Linux on laptop is still full of issues (CPU getting hot, battery drain, GPU acceleration is not supported even on a desktop, fractional scaling issues etc.) While on the other hand Apple triumphs with their laptops demonstrating perfect hardware and software symbiosis. I am a big fan of both Linux and MacOS but let's be honest...
I agree on all of it except the app installation part. When installing apps outside of the store it's not easy to get the launcher to see the new apps. i.e. no desktop file is created. And I still haven't found a way to use flatpak apps as deftault app for filetypes. That is very easy on MacOS.
0:56 what desktop environment is it?
As a Mac user who also dabbles in Linux and would like to switch to it full time in an ideal world (but unfortunately linux is still just not QUITE there for me yet in certain areas), I agree with you 4 out of 5 of these points, with the (partial) exception being software installation. It's not perfect, and the security vault is indeed REALLY annoying but I found it very easy to work out how to install applications on a Mac right from the get go, whether it be from the store or the web. On Linux however, I have had some REAL headaches installing software. Installing things that are available in the graphical store is very easy when it works, and they are much more complete than the macOS or Windows stores, and t's not even close, but I've found so many of them to be extremely buggy and unreliable, meaning I often had to resort to using the terminal which is just simply a lot less user friendly an intuitive, especially to new users. The real issue however comes from installing software from the web, which I've had to do from time to time. Some are easy, but others are just needlessly complicated to have them install and integrate properly into the OS and have it recognised as an application that you can launch from the apps menu of your Distro. I'm certainly far from an expert in using computers / computer operation systems, especially in comparison to a lot of Linux users but I'd say I'm pretty competent, definitely more so than the average Windows or macOS user, and honestly I have been beyond frustrated trying to work out how to get some app installations to work on Linux. Personally I think simply dragging the app into a dedicated applications folder is very intuitive (plus the standard installer flat out tells you to do this in you to do this in order complete the process, as shown in your video so I'm confused as to how some people couldn't work that out) in comparison to installing apps from the web on other desktop OS, and from the App Store it's the exact same process as on Linux, except VASTLY more reliable in my experience. As cliché as it is to say, Installing software on macOS just... works. I've literally never had a single issue installing an application on macOS in over a decade of using it.
I agree. I've used Linux around 20 years now and I very rarely use gui tools to install software. However occasionally I'll have a look at the current state of the default desktop experience on the desktop and try a graphical installer. I swear to god, almost every time they don't work well, freeze or outright crash. The last one I tried was Fedora's fairly recently, I want to say I tried to use it to install the teamviewer rpm or something. I think the problem is that nobody actually uses these tools anyway, likely including the developers that write them XD. At the end of the day it's not exactly hard to type "sudo dnf install gimp" people claiming that's not "user friendly" are swimming in their own prejudice. It's different, but it's also simple and more robust than any gui tool could ever be.
I've never been a big apple fan, but actually I think they have always nailed software installation. It's a much more consistent and controlled experience on Mac than the nightmare that Windows is with everyone installing software in a dozen different ways, writing stuff randomly all over your computer and registry. Linux package management is fantastic... until you need something outside of the repository. At that point it's a disaster. A disaster that the Linux community has mostly ignored, and occasionally even sometimes has intentionally created for philosophical reasons. In the last years there have been new efforts to help with this appimage, flatpak, snap, etc... however commercial applications still have not started using them, most still target specific versions of specific distributions with native package formats. Or some "good luck" tarball package.
@@entelin Try Linux Mint. I have never had an issue with installing apps on its software manager.
I'm no Apple fan at all, butbI need to say that Mac Os limited hardware support has advantages : it is optimised to work with specific components, and will less likely crash. It is also why Macs have a greater lifespan.
From what I understand the big snapping / tiling problems with Mac come from legal issues with regard to implementing window snapping - Microsoft holds a patent on it. Linux gets around it because the developers are small fish rather than a huge company like Apple. For the same reason Mac OS X didn't have a proper full screen mode until Lion I believe it was (because microsoft had patented it so they had to find a different implementation - moving the full screen window to a different workspace).
@Earthling-Z3R0 I’m pretty sure you can only get a patent on a way something is done not the feature itself
Though there's a conspiracy theory that GNOME 3 was made the way it was because of Microsoft threatening to sue over patent infringement, which while KDE developers came to an agreement with Microsoft, GNOME developers didn't.
@Earthling-Z3R0 Yeah, it's stupid, but it's the implementation that's patented, not the general idea. So, moving the window to the edge of the screen so that it snaps the window in the way we are familiar with would be using the same implementation Windows does.
sounds like bullshit
@mckendrick7672. That's not true about macOS and Fullscreen. MacOS has always had a fullscreen mode. It's the interface designers at Apple let fullscreen support be dictated by the app Designer and not the OS. So each app vender were allowed to choose if they wanted full screen or not for their apps. Every OS has fullscreen. Even the old Unix OSs.
It's not just the user interface that matters, the hardware/software marriage on Apple laptops is way more stable than any other PC laptops. Now, don't take me wrong I have used linux for over 16 years and it was my day to day desktop since Redhat Linux 7.2, but since M1 pros I no longer worry about the stability of my system.
I think .dmg files are mac's version of appimages on Linux. They are the same thing in concept, n'est pas? Especially when you use appimager manager, you drag the appimages to the applications folder in Linux and then it integrates into the UI etc. Very much like those dmg files
Appimage manager moves the appimage automatically.
And you don’t need to drag it anywhere anyway.
Hi, Nick. Long-time subscriber, first-time commenter. I have an M1 MacBook Pro provided by my employer, and I run Linux on my personal Microsoft Surface Pro 6. I have used Elementary OS and Linux Mint Cinnamon; currently I am running Ubuntu 22.04/Gnome 42. (I also run Ubuntu Server 20.04 on a Lenovo ThinkCentre M72e Tiny, which I use as a headless storage and media server.)
Linux is an amazing value: fast and efficient, great community support, and modern DEs look as good as (or better than) anything from Apple or Microsoft. There are just two things I wish it could do as well as macOS:
1. My MS Surface has a HiDPI screen, which I scale to 200%; I have it connected to an external 1920x1200 monitor, which I run at 100%. I had difficulty with fractional scaling under X11, which is why I ultimately switched from Mint to Ubuntu (Wayland). Native GTK apps just work: I can move windows between monitors, and they automatically adjust their scale accordingly. But I have not found a way to get qt and Electron apps to automatically adjust their scale when I move them between monitors. MacOS and Windows handle different-scale monitors effortlessly.
2. The other macOS feature I miss when using Linux is the ability to enter extended characters without futzing with a Compose key. Want to enter a typographic quotation mark? Option + {. An em dash? Option + -. Want to enter an ‘e’ with an accent? Hold down the ‘e’ key, and macOS pops up all the variations of accents and diacritics. No fancy configuration required, it works out of the box. There are some Linux utilities that implement macOS key mappings, but they require X11 (and I have not found anything that pops up a list of alternative characters when I hold a key).
If Linux could implement these two features, I would not give macOS a second look! Thanks for your channel, I really enjoy it.
While the mac devices' hardware is amazing (especially on new m1 and m2 based devices), I usually find limitations in terms of memory management. Booting up macos consumes roughly 4GB and I find myself closing programs a lot sooner than on Linux distros (e.g. Manjaro Xfce).
Linux kernel 6.1 is going to further improve memory management with MGLRU while I am not sure if macos will get any better performance wise as new versions get released.
As if RAM in 2022 is still an issue. If that is a deciding factor if the base OS uses 4GB ram or 2GB, then I wonder what kind of computer you use. This reminds me of the 90s when the entire Linux community created the software library dependency hierarchy nightmare because they argued that a library should only be installed once across the entire system to save HDD space, unlike Windows where all library dependencies are bundled into each program. Thanks to Linux users being concerned about saving a few Kilobytes here and there, we now have Linux's worst feature -> library dependencies.
@@mariaobrien1753 RAM is an issue if you're not rich or need to use more RAM than will fit in your Mac. A mac with more than 64 GB doesn't exist below $5000. Hell, Macs are for rich people in general unfortunately.
I do agree that library dependencies were a nightmare 10 years ago, but have been solved for a number of years now. (Windows dll hell!!)
There are flatpaks, snaps and appimages to help solve that problem :)
😂bruh. Macs can do content creation with 8GB … and iPhones run on 1/2 ram of Android
What have you been smoking?
You need to be rich to upgrade to 16gb? What?!?
@@billmiller4800 Such a scam with Macs how minimally outfitted and difficult to upgrade they are. 64 GB is like maybe $200 worth of RAM. A 1 TB SSD is maybe $100 these days.
The biggest plus is about repository act like an appstore inside an appstore. Just like a center mall with appstores built-in. Linux did something greate inside. If Valve merge Steam with Discover(KDE) this could be an awesome crossover appstore features.
Excited about Stage Manager but that's only because I have an ultrawide, on other screens it might become problematic.
As a sidenote. since things have become a matter of tweaking what's good, this means that at some point all OSes will reach a point where window handling is fine :-)
Some of the appeal in the US is operability with iPhones. They re basically the default choice and the gateway drug to all things Apple. Also, the interoperability between Apple devices and platforms is very appealing. Sometimes I gaze wistfully at their interoperability, but I'm staying staunchly in Linux/Android.
Thank you for this video! I also waiting for video about alternatives to macOS in Linux world :)
When I first switched from Windows to Ubuntu 8 years ago, I found the transition incredibly easy and didn't find any aspect of Ubuntu difficult to deal with. It was just intuitive. However when I started having to do things on macOS at work, I found it highly frustrating and it was a pain to get it to do what I needed. Some Mac people tell me I don't like Mac because I'm simply not used to it. But then why did I find Ubuntu so seamless on my first experience by comparison? Other Linux distros I've used since were just as joyous to use.
Great Video as always. Now, I was wondering if you could make the opposite for this videos like "things macos do better than linux". That would be a great feedback for the linux community. Especially that you're a linux user yourself, you can add context to the specific area that needed attention
Yep!
That's straightforward. It's nothing.
17:49 In terms of installation in mac I don't like that you hve to use apple ID. but I like the exterior design of computers and camera in IPHON
Had a conversation with my boss (a mac user) about Linux a while ago.
He said: "Ah, Linux! Isn't that MacOS for poor people?"
I responded "No, it's macOS for mentally rich people"
He never made a negative comment about my OS of choice ever again
and then everyone stood and clapped
men really,
1.- Totally true
2.- just 1% of the people want to configure something
3.- yes maybe apple could be more flexible letting you to install Mac OS everywhere but that not how the apple business works
4.- "nobody hack us because we are less than the others" total bull$it
5.- customization? I just never change my ubuntu icons I just never see my wallpaper I don't even remember it.
Come on.
I came here to see some kernel implementations or something interesting not this kind of new linux user bull$it. We need to be more demanding about linux if we want to see it get better.
And about the start, Mac OS Is linux but without the project fragmentation.
Although I have never used MacOS I actually like the GNOME desktop because it kinda reminds me of it and I learned to like GNOME a lot 💪
GNOME is better than the mac Desktop IMO. Smooth, simple, more modern, and doesn't have a 15 year old baggage!
@@TheLinuxEXP don't worry. MacOS ventura will feel even more like Gnome since someone decided to revamp the settings app adopting a list view. The fact that you'll need more clicks to do the same things it's a detail. Also Steve is not there anymore to stop this kind of nonsense, so...
It's my first year at university, I'm studying computer science, and I was horrified when I saw that 60% of the computers were macs. I thought "oh no, but at least they're supposed to work pretty well i guess", and then I met the terrible window management, terrible keyboards (especially here in france), and terrible shortcuts. Now I always have a full-size 2010 keyboard in my backpack, but it doesn't fix the window management.
I came from macOS (long time user, over 30 years) and still use both side by side. Innovation died with Steve Jobs, and the finder and window manager are mostly unchanged from over a decade ago. Overall, Linux is just way more fun! I can do far more with it, and I wish macOS would take note and catch up. It has the potential to be so much better than it is.
One thing I'm going to disagree with is the App Store. It is by far the best experience of any app store/software centre on any platform. It is secure, includes code signing, and it's easy to find what you need. I've said a lot that software centres on linux needs to catch up and be more usable. The biggest hindrance is software discovery. Many Linux software stores/centres have all the apps you could want but good luck finding what you need in a sea of choices that all look the same. Some human curation would really help. Not to mention the ability to monetize it to compensate/donate to developers. Flathub is working on that last one, and it is sorely needed.
7:00 Sorry but I installed Nobaro. Added enpass to the repo and I can install it via dnf but NOT via the GUI package manager. All too often Linux GUIs Suck. Same goes for any Arch based GUI. Often apps aren't there yet they can be installed via cli.
I used the M1 Mac Mini when it first came out but had to return it because MacOS was not a good experience for me and I can easily customize Linux to look just like it.
I moved away from Linux to Apple ecosystem in 2022. I am mostly agree with you after using Mac for 10 months.
But still Apple ecosystem is great, seamless and convenient. I personally use Mac studio, iPhone, Airpod, Macbook air, iPad - the seamless syncing of workflow, browser etc. across ipad, mac or laptop provides too much value to me. Those who doesn't want that, understandable.
But if someone value convenience, then Apple has the best ecosystem in the world.
Homebrew is the MacOS package manager. You can script a lot of stuff with brew.
MacOS strong point is the dock. Gnome for some reason refuses to make their dock configurable. Mac menu bar is also better. Still looking to get Fedora on my MacBook Pro when I have time.
As I mentioned there is a internet page on how to do scripting from the terminal. "How To Make and Run Batch Files In Terminal In Mac OSX" and then there is AppleScript (25 years old) and JavaScript. Heck, Apple itself has a page called "About shell scripts in Terminal on Mac".
Hello, I hope you will read this! I was inspired by you to take my first steps in linux, I downloaded termux on my tablet and I am working with a wireless keyboard. So far I have file manager, browser, text editor and soon mail client, all from terminal! I am amazed at what I can do, keep spreading the word!
I converted to Linux about a year ago now after a 12 year romance with apple, being one that plays around with music making software it made sense when macs "just worked" but i got really tired of being constantly harassed by mac OS to allow me to do thing I was telling it to do, also I got a brand new M1 and within a 18 months it had become obsolete because mac OS is just a pig, literally could not have more than a few browser tabs open without some kind of slowdown, this was often fixed with an update but such updates would often break most of my more obscure pieces of software, mix this with not being able to add an extra stick of RAM and the decision was made to switch, now have twice the hardware for half the price.
I'm not so bleeding edge with Macs, but my mini from 7 years ago has slowed to a crawl. I don't understand how apple manages to throw away so much performance.
Weird. My wife is using a mid-2012 MacBook Pro, and it’s working like a champ. Granted, she can’t install the latest version of the OS and doesn’t do anything processor intensive like making music, but it doesn’t crawl in general like the other comment says.
At the same time, I’ve got the last Intel MacBook Pro before the M1 came out, and it doesn’t run a whole lot better than hers does with Logic, which is super disappointing. If only Linux had an equivalent DAW…
My 2011 MacBook Pro with a broken graphics chip can run more than 2 browser tabs without issue... No idea what the hell you’re doing with your computers but it’s not normal.
@@thesullivanstreetproject My wife is happy with her 2012 mac air. I think its a matter of expectations. I have a AMD 32 core desktop with 64gb main memory and a 2 TB m.2 internal drive. I find other machines slow. It heats up the room. I have an i7 laptop with 8gb and 2tb drive that burns my lap when it gets going. Similarly, my work machine is an i7 thinkpad with similar statistics. Life is too short for slow computers.
To me the selling point of Linux systems is the ability to run almost the whole operating system as I want. I can install minimal distro (Void in my case), and starting with raw TTY build my system. This way I know what I have installed, running in the background or so. And because of that fact I can customize everything (which to me is a side-effect of minimalist approach). This not only makes the system more pleasant to use, but also more productive, which should be the most important goal for all operating systems. But you have to like to tinker. If you don't then ready-to-use distros have selling points you mentioned.
I read Void on comment, I hit the thumb up button
I don't think this man is yet to understand doubleclicking, resize correction, cmd+tab and virtual desktops, and homebrew
I showed them all. And they don't work well on macOS.
Xp with royal blue theme and bliss wallpaper is the most beautiful os ever
Bliss is still my wallpaper, even for my Fedora. Most beautiful wallpaper ever.
The window management and UI design choices are the biggest weaknesses of macOS, for me. The static top bar taking up space instead of being part of the dock, the doc being way bigger and more cluttered then I'd ever want it to be, the lack of a proper pop up app menu, lack of really any basic window snapping/tiling management features, the list goes on. It genuinely feels terrible to use compared to any other OS, regardless of any advantages it might have besides.
You just use a program for window snapping. Cant remember what its called
You make some interesting points, but to me these are minor annoyances. My main concern is to have a stable and coherent (as another commenter put it) environment to do my work. The macOS has offered me this. As far as hardware cost, my home computer is a refurbished 2013 15" MacBook Pro that I bought directly from Apple with full warranty in 2014. Cost me less than a brand new one, but just as good. My work laptop is a 2015 15" MBP. They both run fully-supported recent versions of macOS. I don't have any stability or incompatibility issues. I think that I, and my employer, got our money's worth in both cases.
i recently started a job where they only use macs. it is mostly fine but it takes some time to get used to those missing features. i am used to windows and that has way better window management.
Yeah, macOS is a nightmare if you're not using only 2 or 3 apps at the same time
Are you allowed to play around with them? I’ve found HammerSpoon helps quite a bit
If a job required me to use a Mac, I'd decline. Heck, as long as I can do the job correctly, I shouldn't need a specific piece of hardware!
@@billeterk nope. Things are locked down. Cant even update the thing.
Give this man credit for making the sponsor segment a chapter so we can easily skip it if we want to.
To be honest despite not having window tilling i do prefer the UI on mac os. So for most tasks I use macOS and Linux for my desktop, running containers and such is better in linux i need to recognise that, so I'm quite divided I like Linux for somethings and macOS for others. in linux the most annoying thing is drivers for some devices like Logitec Keys and the logitech mx3 mouse or getting the best configs for a RTX3080Ti. Picture is a bit jumpy despite the GPU and 96GB of ram and a screen with support for 240fps nad linux only recognises 120fps max... There are quite a few issues on linux from my view. I also just use gnome as I dislike the windows style menus and such... I really like the simplicity and consistency of the macOS UI I dont need 300.000 options to customise the UI of my system. I know logitech is not the best in supporting linux but I wanted something (keyboard and mouse) that I could use with my macbook Pro and my desktop machine with a touch of a button I can switch now. :) there are good and bad things in both in my eyes.
I don't like apple, but man it sounded like you were really trying to get to 5 things. Most points are so nitpicky
I am pretty worried about that security-through-obscurity line. I am unsure whether or not that would still remain the case if ever Linux becomes more popular. It's the philosophy of "Oh, we're safe because we're not known" and yet we try to make it as known as possible through videos like this. It's like we're contradicting ourselves when talking about security in this aspect. What REALLY makes Linux more secure aside from obscurity?
Since people keep talking about the security, I'll say this: Windows and MacOS have security partly through obscurity. With the source code not readily available no one but Microsoft and Apple developers can inspect their own code. So how secure they really are no one but them really know, however the odds are overwhelmingly that they aren't at all. Linux on the other hand has seen extensive testing in the server space and has proven pretty dang solid. Nearly every security vulnerability I've seen exploited with Linux servers has been due to human error, not all, but most. Now, if we're talking local security, then none of them are secure unless you encrypt your drives and require a password to access it, but even that can be bypassed if you have local access to the computer.
As a developer, I have been using all three major operating systems for a long time, and right now I am mainly using MacOS. I therefore feel qualified to respond to the points mentioned in the video.
Window management: Yes, by default MacOS is just not good at that. Period. If I install Magnet or Spectacle, the points are gone. And then I can show you some things with it that your Linux can't do by default ;). And for Alt+Tab there is an app called AltTab. Brings pretty much 1:1 the Alt+Tab of Windows10/11 into MacOS.
Software installation: Brew. Brew has no GUI, but easily puts Apt (and co.) and WinGet in your pocket without any effort. In terms of software availability, Brew leads by a wide margin in my opinion. Since there are many commercial software solutions known from the Windows world under MacOS, which are not available under Linux, and these can also be installed and managed via Brew, with a few exceptions, this point goes for me clearly to MacOS. When I get a new Mac, I install Brew, get a long list of software packages from a text file and wait until Brew has installed everything for me - always in the latest version, of course. Alternative repositories are also available here if you need them.
Hardware Choices: Ok, you don't have a choice in the Apple world. But you get relatively good hardware for the money you pay. Apple devices are expensive, but not too expensive. If you work with the devices professionally, then the price is okay in my opinion. The money is quickly earned back.
Security: Some valid points, but I don't accept "security by obscurity" as a security feature. The point "security" is difficult to discuss because security-reducing effects very often come into the system through 3rd party components and the actual operating system can't do much for it, and then the reasons for security gaps in detail are also incredibly diverse and not often have to do with the person in front of the screen.
Customization: For me, it is more important that everything runs smoothly than that I can visually customize my system. When it comes to personalizing the system from a functional point of view, MacOS offers a lot of possibilities.
I am not an Apple fanboy. I don't own anything from Apple except my Mac. And I have an incredible number of things that bother me about MacOS. The most pressing point is the non-uniform shortcuts for navigating within different text editors. And other points are super annoying as well. There are a few professions for which a Mac is just the right tool. These are mainly creative professions. If there is no good reason how macOS can be useful to you in achieving your goals, you should rather avoid the system.
As a matter of fact, I DO want to make a user interface work like Windows XP. Never mind that it was ugly -- it worked! The version of KDE that was available in the mid-to-late 2000s actually let me do this. Unfortunately modern versions of both Windows and Linux desktops don't seem to want to let me do this (and seem to have gone downhill in other measures of quality as well -- not impressed with the stability of Ubuntu Linux 20.04, for instance), whereas modern MacOS versions (admittedly I'm now a few versions behind) seem to have crawled up out of the nightmare that was MacOS 10.0 to a mediocre but at least consistent experience.
You're forgetting that MacOS 10 was a *vast* improvement from classic Mac. Akin to Microsoft's transition from nt4/win98 days to win2k/xp. It turned it into a modern and stable os. If you want a desktop that is kind of like classic windows I would try XFCE (it's available on any Linux distro), it's pretty close by default, but with a little customization you get it even closer. Plus it's lightweight, snappy performance, and feature complete.
@@entelin It is now, but the first several iterations of MacOS 10 were not improvements -- I know, because I used a few in the early 2000s at work, and they were torture to use -- very buggy with respect to stability and with respect to user interface. Versions from the last few years ARE a vast improvement, but I would still rather have a debugged Windows XP interface . . . which versions of KDE from the early-mid 2000s through early 2010s almost were.
I'll have to keep XFCE in mind -- thanks for the suggestion.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio I'm not saying original versions of macos x were great... But I used classic mac before that, and it was a mess. Applications would crash the whole system, memory leaks, freezing, multitasking was generally just terrible. etc. But all that was basically par for the course at that time with windows 9x being just as bad.
@@entelin That also depends upon which versions of Classic MacOS you are talking about. In my experience, the twin peak of quality for those was System 6.0.7 (maybe should call this Antiquity MacOS?) and System 7.1 (where they got the bugs of System 7.0 worked out), and then quality went downhill fairly rapidly from there, to where System 8.0 really was a terrible mess like you said. The multitasking in System 6.0.7 and System 7.1 wasn't great, but at least those were quite reliable for what they did, whereas later versions weren't. System 9.0 seemed marginally less bad than 8.0, but by then it was too late, since MacOS X was on the way in, terrible as it was for the first several versions (as was Antiquity MacOS, by the way -- that needed to get up to System 4.something to become usable).
In my opinion, as a Linux user and IPhone owner, the best advantage of Linux is being able to run easily on practically any pc, from the cheap low-end to the expensive high-end machine. We can't say the same about MacOS unfortunately
What's the setup you used for KDE in the video? That desktop look CRISP.
MACINTOSH COMMAND LINE. Click the magnifying glass icon that Apple calls "spotlight". A menu will pop up. Click on "Terminal". The command line will be basically the Bash command line with some variations such as !! to repeat the previous command.
True, but MacOS user input performance is inimitable, sadly🥺
I found the App Store on MacOS lacking in the large variety of apps I was used to having access to on Linux which was quite a surprise to me. I thought there would be so many options to choose from but was disappointed with the selection offered.
As much as I like the Mac their App Store blows goats from a catapult in terms of finding things.
@@Maximara from a "broken catapult" if I might add...very few free software is published there because everyone is affraid of draconian Apple laws, and because of feature copy by apple. If you publish it there, apple will know when you are usefull just by the sheer download numbers.
@ Actually it is more a case of what "free" software is published there has In-app purchases or seems to have been programmed by repeatedly slamming one's head into a keyboard. At best the App store for the Mac is for people who are overly paranoid or lazy; as worst it is a badly designed waste of space. What grinds my gears is when things LibreOffice (Free) ask for money ($9) and for some reason it is limited to 11.x and above.
You are better off seeing if GIMP, KeePass XC, QuickSilver and hundreds of other free programs can run natively on the Mac.
Linux is a tool, just like Windows or MacOS. Which tool is best for you depends on tastes and task needs. I need native support for MS Office because $JOB, and I need a solid terminal app (my eyeballs and $JOB). For me, those two things pushed me into Mac.
MacOS with homebrew and yabai feels like using Linux except with all the major third party applications supported out of the box. I love Linux dearly but for a lot of people there are still applications that don't support Linux that are absolutely necessary for daily use, and when the options are between macOS and Windows I'll take mac every time :). I miss the total control of your system and wide range of hardware support from Linux, as well as the privacy and fully libre lifestyle, but macOS fills the gap pretty well. Although I must say the external monitor support on Applie Silicon Macbooks is ATROCIOUS, 1440p is a blurry and color-shifted mess
In maxOS, you can force the menubar to be visible at allt times, instead of auto-hiding which is the default. Under settings. But yes, it is annoying when you are used to other OS:s.
The most popular package manager for macOS is Brew. But I don't think it is used to distribute all kind of apps. There is also Mac Ports.
I admit that since macOS is a closed system with an experience decided by Apple, it is not a s customizable as Linux environments are.
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Mac user since 1989, and I agree with almost every point you make. The reason to use a Mac comes down to two things: a tightly integrated ecosystem with the iPhone, iPad etc and extremely high-quality apps that don't exist on other platforms. I'm not talking about the likes of Office: it's the smaller developers who do the best work. Take, for example Things, which is by far the best and most useful task manager on any platform. That's not to say Linux doesn't have great applications of its own. But the most important point which you raise is simple: privacy and trust, and that's the best reason to run Linux (and why I'm typing this on a ThinkPad running Ubuntu).
The hardware fully supported by Linux is very limited. There are very few laptops that will work with Linux out of the box, and they will work just with one specific distro or a few. Mac hardware is superior, the M1 chip is something Apple exclusive, and if you tried a MacBook Pro M1, you know it's just better than any CISC processor for a number of reasons. MacOS just works, Linux doesn't: you will always has to fix or configure something. The $500 you need to spend for a Mac are nothing if you consider the time you will have to spend to configure and tune your Linux distro. A Mac is just a better choice, unless you really need Linux or you want to go cheap, and run on a old Thinkpad.
12:45 Ay! Don't say that for my favourite operating system from childhood.
Great video. I will use it every time a friend who uses Mac acts smug, which is pretty often.
Full screen on split screen in macos is perfect while coding/browsing. It’s the epitome of getting out of the way. It’s a feature that every linux DE is lacking, not the way around…. Although in general i am keen on agreeing that linux has generally way more advantages than macos, i really don’t agree with most of the examples you picked and have thought of many other examples on my own… this happens more often than not, but i still appreciate your content.
Hide panel?
I really liked OS X in the days of the big cat versions, then went away. Came back for a little while and discovered it seemed more intrusive, and full of secret handshakes. "Oh, to do that you hold down while clicking "; and you find that out by Googling. Nor is sliding the icon of the dmg into the icon of the apps folder intuitive, at least to me. The problem with directive, "intuitive and simple" interfaces is that they often aren't. I think, now, I'd even prefer vanilla GuhNome to the Mac UI.
Have you ever heard of homebrew? It installs app linux style using the command line.
Press Alt when maximising and the window will adapt to a specified size. Try it. In MacOS I mean 😅 You need some more usage with Mac to know really how it works.
BTW - I use arch/dwm. MacOS is not as bad, as a matter a fact if you want to get things done Mac is the way to go. I used homebrew for many years which got me all the linux tools. Spending hours trying to figure out why sound is not working working or why a laptop does not wake up from suspend is not something most end users want to deal with. I only use my Mac for youtube cause I already got my Arch setup the way I want it.
One thing I absolutely love about MacOs is how convenient is the implementation of the Text To Speech function and its superb quality. It is very convenient for who reads a lot in front of the computer.
Happy to be proven wrong, but I don’t think there is anything like that in Linux.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Then what? Your comment seems to be about speech to text, not text to speech. I like the convenience of having the computer reading text for me.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 your comment does not make any logical sense. They are two distinct applications to accomplish two different tasks. And that being said, their usefulness is completely unrelated to one’s level of literacy about computers.