I wish they advertised better as well. I missed the last couple weeks of tv and just caught up online. It wasnt till 4 days ago when a friend told me they were coming to reading this week. Way to late for me to take off work (i work third shift). Absolutely no local advertising or even a email. I might call off or just let it go
A part of it is they were going to 7,000 to 10,000 seat and drawing 4,500 to 6,000 so they made a huge stage to hide a portion of the arena. Now they were drawing even less like 2,000 to 3,000 and most small areas can't fit there huge stage into them.
You are correct. I don't get how people don't understand that running smaller venues comes with extra problems. Also rent on most places is prorated for ticket sales. They don't have the same number of staff, security, concessions as a full stadium. It's the same for concerts. Not every musician is selling out the same stadiums AEW run. But it make economic sense for them to run those venues. Also in the US, small venues in large markets are usually on college campuses, who use them frequently for varsity or club sports. Some places also have conduct requirements, so certain things (i.e. blood, weapons) would be off limits.
Assume anything. The fact is that AEW has a figurehead that knows zero about business. I don’t even limit it to the wrestling business. Tony doesn’t have to grow the audience or make profits. It’s a private thing that operates like an expensive hobby. The biggest markets ALL have venues up to 3,000-5,000 capacity. The performers have their buses and trailers for other things are, by comparison, a dime a dozen.
Their excuse is that these bigger arenas have existing infrastructure and are easier on the production team. Honestly I think the only thing aew should be concerned about right now is their continued piss poor booking.
I wonder if it is this notion that if you arent in the big NBA arena then you are seen as less than. Honestly, they should look to make a deal like they did with that Arlington expo center. make that their place and run that for a bit. Then slowly go out to other similar sized buildings
Dave Meltzer made the claim that the new WBD deal would make AEW the second most profitable promotion ever? What BS! WCW under Bischoff made $5 million his first year while only having a $25 million budget and then profits skyrocketed until WCW shut down due to WB’s raping of the WCW budget but still made a profit in its last year! Tony Khan was hemorrhaging tens on millions each year including the first year when it was reported a loss of $50 million plus in its first year due the high price investment. The promotion has lost around $30 million plus by reports and has never turn s profit over its 5 year existence and this new deal according to Tony’s own words would cover the investment or as he says “pay off his investment”. If so that means AEW can’t turn a profit for the next 3 years due to the massive losses: Dave needs to report Tony’s financial records to see if AEW is financially sound or financially ruined.
Its stubborness "but ive filled large venues before!", so he keeps doing what hes been doing and just booking the large venues. Look at All In this year. The UK crowd here goes nuts for wrestling shows and makes them a big deal - but even here this year the show drew 20,000 less fans than it did last year. And thats a strong market who is mostly starved of larger wrestling events. 20,000 - thats an entire sold out arenas less of people. Theres no harm in TK booking smaller venues, selling them out, getting the shows sounding loud and busy, then slowly increasing size again.
The delusion is rampant with AEW. From the office to the cheap seats and the roster, they actually think they are competing for the audience with WWE and Nova.
@TomCat-zo5ig I like the wrestling. I hate the management and direction of the company, all because of the ignorance of one man, Tony Khan. CM Punk was soooo right, and all of you are either too blindsided or too thick to see what's wrong, il go with the latter. 😂😂
@JamesWilsonMD Regardless of how you feel about its direction. It helped revitalize wrestling, gave thousands of jobs, made wwe better, and entertained millions of fans. It's lost its luster, but I'll always root for it and would never spout bullshit about it and its demise.
If people watch wrestling because of the fans, they have no idea what good wrestling is. I'd take prime Bret Hart with a pandemic era empty area over 90% of the crap you see in WWE today. If you need someone else to cheer in order for you to enjoy it, just turn the TV off and read a book.
This a very brain dead take. It’s true that if you’re watching primarily because of the crowd, that’s not necessarily a good sign. However, crowd heat is absolutely part of the presentation of professional wrestling. Hell, it matters to the presentation of legitimate sports like Boxing or MMA, so it’s absolutely crucial to something that’s at least as much show as it is sport, and frankly more so.
If it was such good wrestling, why is the arena empty and why the ratings are going down. They are a lot of things that doesn’t make any sense when I see an AEW match. Why is the pile driver is used as a regular move. Why is Swerve struggling to beat Lio Rush? Wrestling matches aren’t only about moves, there’s a pacing, a coherent way to do it. At this point Impact as better wrestling than AEW. Before you make the assumption. I am not the biggest wwe fan.
LMAO it's because of the person who's running creative tony khan doesn't want to run small venues which he should because he thinks everything's great but that's not the case seeing tweets with screenshots of how empty the arenas are plus the creative is a mess nobody has a problem with this tony has his money fuck the fans that's why AEW'S product has fallen holy shit vince's removal from WWE and the product getting better really fucked up AEW.
He's running shows in large buildings because that was the size of his created arena in the WWE 2K games.
Even TK doesn't play the AEW game
😂😂😂 brutal fatality
Brutal fatality
Tony khan isn’t here to make money, he’s here to make friends.
Bryan slowly getting sick of AEW’s stupid bullshit has been the best storyline of the year 😂
Every man has his breaking point
Except that bootlicker Dave
AEW is running the larger venues because the person incharge of booking venues has absolutely no idea what they are doing.
Better then WWE
@@FloridaCoastin what metric?
@FloridaCoast that's subjective, and if you prefer a different TV show to someone else, then that's fair enough
Because the person running the promotion doesn’t know how to make compelling tv that makes fans wanna buy a ticket or watch on tv
@@FloridaCoast hilarious, you voted for the rapist who is putting a McMahon who assisted in the sexual assault of minors in his cabinet.
I wish they advertised better as well. I missed the last couple weeks of tv and just caught up online. It wasnt till 4 days ago when a friend told me they were coming to reading this week. Way to late for me to take off work (i work third shift). Absolutely no local advertising or even a email. I might call off or just let it go
A part of it is they were going to 7,000 to 10,000 seat and drawing 4,500 to 6,000 so they made a huge stage to hide a portion of the arena. Now they were drawing even less like 2,000 to 3,000 and most small areas can't fit there huge stage into them.
I assume it has to do with ease of setting up production equipment for a live show and maybe locker room and catering space
You are correct. I don't get how people don't understand that running smaller venues comes with extra problems.
Also rent on most places is prorated for ticket sales. They don't have the same number of staff, security, concessions as a full stadium. It's the same for concerts. Not every musician is selling out the same stadiums AEW run. But it make economic sense for them to run those venues.
Also in the US, small venues in large markets are usually on college campuses, who use them frequently for varsity or club sports. Some places also have conduct requirements, so certain things (i.e. blood, weapons) would be off limits.
@@BH-wu4ktMost of the claims you laid out are, at best, skewed. But they’re mostly flat out wrong.
Assume anything. The fact is that AEW has a figurehead that knows zero about business. I don’t even limit it to the wrestling business. Tony doesn’t have to grow the audience or make profits. It’s a private thing that operates like an expensive hobby. The biggest markets ALL have venues up to 3,000-5,000 capacity. The performers have their buses and trailers for other things are, by comparison, a dime a dozen.
Catering wouldn’t be an issue if there weren’t 200 people on the roster needing to be fed 🤷🏻♂️
@ Oh, snap! You went there!!!
AEW: Tony Khan playing with the most expensive living action figures.
Bryaaaaan what venues have the necessary lighting setups.
The ones NXT and TNA toured recently.
Their excuse is that these bigger arenas have existing infrastructure and are easier on the production team. Honestly I think the only thing aew should be concerned about right now is their continued piss poor booking.
Until TK turns the reigns over...nothing will ever change😮
AEW doesn’t have a booker. Any discussion about booking is a waste of time.
He’s too far in the bubble to see the truth. Dave has been an echo chamber that has lead him to ruin.
Alvarez has been pretty critical of AEW for a while now, to the point him and Meltzer get into arguments about it semi-regularly on their shows.
Nailed it. Aew should be doing 2000 to 3000 seat arenas... Like they used to at Daly's Place.
Daily's Place seats 5,000.
@@duckmercy11 They never filled it. Top deck was mostly empty. And that's the point.
@@yragcom1 They drew 4,300 for Fight For The Fallen 2019.
@@yragcom1 They did for that "Fight For The Fallen" ppv in 2019. They drew 4,300 which is a virtual sellout depending on the exact configuration.
@@duckmercy11 That's a PPV level event. One the weekly show, they should do places that doesn't make them look feeble.
I wonder if it is this notion that if you arent in the big NBA arena then you are seen as less than. Honestly, they should look to make a deal like they did with that Arlington expo center. make that their place and run that for a bit. Then slowly go out to other similar sized buildings
I LOVE Bryan Alvarez finally catching up to what the rest of us have been saying for years now.
Dave Meltzer made the claim that the new WBD deal would make AEW the second most profitable promotion ever? What BS! WCW under Bischoff made $5 million his first year while only having a $25 million budget and then profits skyrocketed until WCW shut down due to WB’s raping of the WCW budget but still made a profit in its last year! Tony Khan was hemorrhaging tens on millions each year including the first year when it was reported a loss of $50 million plus in its first year due the high price investment. The promotion has lost around $30 million plus by reports and has never turn s profit over its 5 year existence and this new deal according to Tony’s own words would cover the investment or as he says “pay off his investment”. If so that means AEW can’t turn a profit for the next 3 years due to the massive losses: Dave needs to report Tony’s financial records to see if AEW is financially sound or financially ruined.
I wonder what Dave has to say about this.
Aew dead part 5478
They need someone who isn’t Tony Khan and seeing as though that’s never going to happen, this will be a slow rich person death
Its stubborness "but ive filled large venues before!", so he keeps doing what hes been doing and just booking the large venues.
Look at All In this year. The UK crowd here goes nuts for wrestling shows and makes them a big deal - but even here this year the show drew 20,000 less fans than it did last year. And thats a strong market who is mostly starved of larger wrestling events. 20,000 - thats an entire sold out arenas less of people.
Theres no harm in TK booking smaller venues, selling them out, getting the shows sounding loud and busy, then slowly increasing size again.
I'm watching Collision right now, for the laughs
I think Dave is gonna be filing for divorce if Bryan keeps being this in touch with reality.
For the Amount of people they have on contract they prefer to be in bigger venues
Arena Empty Wrestling
The delusion is rampant with AEW. From the office to the cheap seats and the roster, they actually think they are competing for the audience with WWE and Nova.
When you have GayEW's biggest shill saying this then you know they are doomed to fail.
Its beautiful. 😂😂
Aew has done so much wrestling. To be such a hater is insane
@TomCat-zo5ig I like the wrestling. I hate the management and direction of the company, all because of the ignorance of one man, Tony Khan.
CM Punk was soooo right, and all of you are either too blindsided or too thick to see what's wrong, il go with the latter. 😂😂
What wrong being Gay?
@JamesWilsonMD Regardless of how you feel about its direction. It helped revitalize wrestling, gave thousands of jobs, made wwe better, and entertained millions of fans. It's lost its luster, but I'll always root for it and would never spout bullshit about it and its demise.
@TomCat-zo5ig Great, good for you. Sadly your admiration for them will do nothing for their survival.
WWE is so clear. 😂😂
but tony khan says everything is fine 🤷♂️
If people watch wrestling because of the fans, they have no idea what good wrestling is. I'd take prime Bret Hart with a pandemic era empty area over 90% of the crap you see in WWE today. If you need someone else to cheer in order for you to enjoy it, just turn the TV off and read a book.
This a very brain dead take. It’s true that if you’re watching primarily because of the crowd, that’s not necessarily a good sign. However, crowd heat is absolutely part of the presentation of professional wrestling. Hell, it matters to the presentation of legitimate sports like Boxing or MMA, so it’s absolutely crucial to something that’s at least as much show as it is sport, and frankly more so.
If it was such good wrestling, why is the arena empty and why the ratings are going down. They are a lot of things that doesn’t make any sense when I see an AEW match. Why is the pile driver is used as a regular move. Why is Swerve struggling to beat Lio Rush? Wrestling matches aren’t only about moves, there’s a pacing, a coherent way to do it. At this point Impact as better wrestling than AEW. Before you make the assumption. I am not the biggest wwe fan.
LMAO it's because of the person who's running creative tony khan doesn't want to run small venues which he should because he thinks everything's great but that's not the case seeing tweets with screenshots of how empty the arenas are plus the creative is a mess nobody has a problem with this tony has his money fuck the fans that's why AEW'S product has fallen holy shit vince's removal from WWE and the product getting better really fucked up AEW.
Shush it, Alverez.