I think he was talking about Urbans goju usa and nisei goju in nyc .they were good fighters.Plus they added some shotokan modified katas and some original katas into their syllabus.
You are one of the outstanding players in fighting and your channel is very distinguished. I wish you success in your field. I hope for more videos about kenbo methods around the world.
Interesting note Peter Urban of Goju USA was a student of Mas Oyama,Richard Kim and incorporated ideas and concepts from both into his Goju in the east coast NYC vicinity.
I had to "hybrid" my rogue school of MIZU-GOJU-RYU because of politics. When I was an active teacher I used Goju as the primary base with other martial arts blended in. Additionally I also used modern sports psychology and MMA style training. I feel people discount the flexible nature of the Goju Systems in general. Goju is truly a well rounded philosophy of life. I would suggest any serious martial artist to explore this system.
Old Mr.M thank you. I came from what I thought was a traditional goju school and studied things like wrestling and Aikido. My view is we are all learning to better ourselfs.....that is what matters.
@@mizukarate I came from the GojuKai school of GojuRyu under Sensei Guy Kurose ,rip, he modified the traditional low guard to a more modern high guard , he was also the captain of the Tenri University full contact Karate team in Japan when he was in college
Well Mr.M my teachers were Mark Peccorella, Tommy Mccormick, Peter Brody, and Bob Taiani(some names misspelled). Anyway I broke from them for political reasons. Anyway the system(methodology), kata, philosophy and application are what matter. My teachers gave it to me and I applyed it. This is what everyone should do. Goju is like a computer operating system that can be tricked out. I bet you can do amazing things because of it. I know it is highly beneficial to me.
@@oldschoolkarate-5o My teachers explained Goju kinda like this: 1. Everything in the universe starts Go(Hard in Japanese). This is kinda like a manifestation,birth, or beginning. 2. Then things get Ju(Japanese for soft). This is like a settling in or relaxation within the universe. 3. Like the Yin/Yang in Taoism this universe is an interplay of Goju elements. Nothing is 50/50...balance spins and moves like 20/80, 40/60, 90/10, etc. So you need to go with this flow. By understanding yourself and body machanics this can be achieved.
Ron Van Clief Studied a lot of Martial Arts starting with Professor Moses Powell however he was also very good at Goju Ryu Karate system and he also studied with Nesi Goju fighter Frank Ruiz so what Grandmaster Van Clief did was mix Goju Ryu Karate with Wing Chun with he learned in Hong Kong from Liam Ting but he called it Ving Tsun.
And some of the people in Chinese Goju Ryu Karate they all fought and did traditional Goju Forms expect for the black dragon form and I think the white Swain form.
I really want to know what he is referring to. I'm apart of a very traditional Okinawan goju ryu school that doesn't spar. I joined a ShinKyokushin School soley for the sparring. The problem is they have their own kyokushin kata, so I practive two sets of kata. The Seido and Seidokaikan karate I see online uses kyokushin kata as well. I really want to know what's he's referring to.
Mas Oyama was high ranked in Shotokan, Goju Ryu, and Daito Ryu. In fact his dojo was originally a Goju Ryu before he created his new style of Kyokushin. In other words Kyokushin is a Goju Ryu hybrid. The style I learned was an early iteration of it before the name change.
The two Goju schools I trained in had nearly 95% identical in techniques, except in the current one I’m in has the son of Masanobu Shinjo as the head of Shobukan Goju Ryu association. This association has an extra kata for beginners and extra dachi katas called Kihon Dachi ichi, kihon dachi ni and kihon dachi San. The rest is certain movements are more direct rather than big movements compared to what I previously learned beforehand. Plus in this current school, they don’t call certain partner practice kata “kiso kumite” like my first one, instead they call it “yakusoku kumite”
I don't know much about Japanese karate.Very very little.But I will go on to say that it has evolved in a lot in what we do in the field of martial arts.
The style of Goju Ryu I learned teaches these kata: Sanchin; I Kata 1, 2, 3; Gekisai Dai 1, 2; Naihanchi; Hangetsu; Wansu; Tensho; Seiunchin; Saifa. The I Kata are also known as Kihon Kata. Naihanchi is mentioned as a fundamental Kata in an article published by Miyagi. Our Hangetsu and Wansu comes from Shotokan.
They joined Kyokushin in the 50s? How 🤔 Tadashi nakamura a former teacher of mine joined with Oyama when he was 11 in 1953 he said at the time they just called it oyama dojo. In his book it talks about it kyokushin wasn't officially establish by name until about 1964 so that doesn't really make any sense.
I was thinking some of that information was not true.....however not being a true historian I will shut my mouth. Kevin can you do a deeper dive into that info?
@@mizukarate well I was trying to figure out who the group he is talking about is I am from NYC I am not family with them personally but I don't know everyone on earth and NY has millions of people. But the kyokushin timeline makes 0 sense. Now the characteristics he mentioned with the Zenpo Hiji (forward elbow) is true kyokushin doesn't do that when u was with Nakamura it was a rising elbow when I switched to training under Scot Mertz it because the forward elbow which is a big Goju trademark. Maybe hw misspoke who knows. But in another video he made some mistakes with things too. He called kote kitte, kote kitai lol that's a basic forearm strike drill we have kitte means forging. Sanchin isn't called an hour class stance. Goju isn't all about the Ibuki breathing it's only one of the 5 methods of breathing. Just like there are 5 power generators in Goju.
No offense to Mr.Paul but maybe he has some faulty information. I can tell he has a lot of knowledge but maybe he was a little off the mark. In any case he seems to be doing some strong work into the history of Goju.....I hope he continues to bring up more great information.
The best advice I can give him is go to Okinawa idk if he has speak with people it takes time to build a relationship where they open up. My instructor lives on island he's interviewed family members the granddaughter of Higashionna Kanryo is a friend of his he also knows funakoshis niece through this type of investigating. There's a good series called Okinawan masters on here with a group of foreigners who live on Okinawa who interview these people. Old timers to get real information. Google doesn't give all the answers unfortunately. His information is a bit off but hey he's trying where most are too lazy.
Sorry I wasn't engaged with this video. I was expecting a little more detail of what hybrids they were I didn't have a clue what you were talking about. The only one I got was Kyokushin.
In Japanese, words will have different meanings depending on the context they are used in (English has similar examples). A word used in one sentence can have a different meaning than if it is used in a different context. For example, "Ryu" actually means dragon as a word by itself. But when used as a suffix at the end of another word it means "School", or "Style". "Go" DOES mean 5, but the word "Go" also means "Hard" in Japanese. Jū can mean 10 when counting, but it also means "Soft" or "Gentle". Judo = Gentle Way. Jujutsu = Gentle Technique. Goju = Hard Soft. Ryu does not mean 9, 9 is "Kyuu" or "Kyu".
Goju Ryu should not be mixed w/ any other style. Because Goju Ryu, and her sister styles like Uechi-Ryu & Shroin-Ryu ( the 3 main states of Okinawan Karate ) are all complete styles. The only reason why, ppl branched out of Goju l-Ryu or mixed Goju-Ryu; one, they were incompetent at Karate or two, they didn’t have the patience or commitment to put into the grind and effort to reach higher ranks of Goju Ryu.
I look forward to seeing your in-dept assessment of Filipino martial arts. Thanks for all your great work!
Odd how on a video of Goju Ryu hybrids didn't list Isshin-Ryū. An art that is a hybrid of Goju and Shorin Ryu.
That's the style with the vertical fist ?
Yea with the thumb up on the fist instead of being on the index and middle finger
I practiced Issinryu for a couple yrs when i was in high school , it has some interesting concepts👍🏽
Yes big time! Especially considering one of Isshinryu’s founder Tatsuo Shimabuku’s teachers was the Gojuryu founder himself, Chojun Miyagi!
Facts 💯
I think he was talking about Urbans goju usa and nisei goju in nyc .they were good fighters.Plus they added some shotokan modified katas and some original katas into their syllabus.
It's always interesting to see different takes on the same styles.
You are one of the outstanding players in fighting and your channel is very distinguished. I wish you success in your field. I hope for more videos about kenbo methods around the world.
Interesting note Peter Urban of Goju USA was a student of Mas Oyama,Richard Kim and incorporated ideas and concepts from both into his Goju in the east coast NYC vicinity.
I had to "hybrid" my rogue school of MIZU-GOJU-RYU because of politics. When I was an active teacher I used Goju as the primary base with other martial arts blended in. Additionally I also used modern sports psychology and MMA style training. I feel people discount the flexible nature of the Goju Systems in general. Goju is truly a well rounded philosophy of life. I would suggest any serious martial artist to explore this system.
I like your ideas on martial arts👍🏽💪🏽
Old Mr.M thank you. I came from what I thought was a traditional goju school and studied things like wrestling and Aikido. My view is we are all learning to better ourselfs.....that is what matters.
@@mizukarate I came from the GojuKai school of GojuRyu under Sensei Guy Kurose ,rip, he modified the traditional low guard to a more modern high guard , he was also the captain of the Tenri University full contact Karate team in Japan when he was in college
Well Mr.M my teachers were Mark Peccorella, Tommy Mccormick, Peter Brody, and Bob Taiani(some names misspelled). Anyway I broke from them for political reasons. Anyway the system(methodology), kata, philosophy and application are what matter. My teachers gave it to me and I applyed it. This is what everyone should do. Goju is like a computer operating system that can be tricked out. I bet you can do amazing things because of it. I know it is highly beneficial to me.
@@oldschoolkarate-5o My teachers explained Goju kinda like this:
1. Everything in the universe starts Go(Hard in Japanese). This is kinda like a manifestation,birth, or beginning.
2. Then things get Ju(Japanese for soft). This is like a settling in or relaxation within the universe.
3. Like the Yin/Yang in Taoism this universe is an interplay of Goju elements. Nothing is 50/50...balance spins and moves like 20/80, 40/60, 90/10, etc. So you need to go with this flow. By understanding yourself and body machanics this can be achieved.
Enjoying your focus on Goju Ryu
There's a style called chinese goju ryu karate created by Ron van clief who a champion in numerous karate tournaments back in the day
Lol… they called it Chinese Goju in the movie The Last Dragon too! Shonuff!
Ron Van Clief Studied a lot of Martial Arts starting with Professor Moses Powell however he was also very good at Goju Ryu Karate system and he also studied with Nesi Goju fighter Frank Ruiz so what Grandmaster Van Clief did was mix Goju Ryu Karate with Wing Chun with he learned in Hong Kong from Liam Ting but he called it Ving Tsun.
@@pausetapemedia7942 facts bro 💯
Nesai Goju Ryu was all fighters even down to the women
And some of the people in Chinese Goju Ryu Karate they all fought and did traditional Goju Forms expect for the black dragon form and I think the white Swain form.
Perhaps he is referring to Seido Karate. There headquarters is in NYC.
I really want to know what he is referring to. I'm apart of a very traditional Okinawan goju ryu school that doesn't spar. I joined a ShinKyokushin School soley for the sparring. The problem is they have their own kyokushin kata, so I practive two sets of kata. The Seido and Seidokaikan karate I see online uses kyokushin kata as well. I really want to know what's he's referring to.
Jeff Speakman's first martial art was Goju Ryu under Hanshi Lou Angel
Like stories of students(later teachers) taking a different look at a technique.
Does anyone have a link for the kyokushin Goju hybrid group as mentioned in the video?
Mas Oyama was high ranked in Shotokan, Goju Ryu, and Daito Ryu. In fact his dojo was originally a Goju Ryu before he created his new style of Kyokushin. In other words Kyokushin is a Goju Ryu hybrid. The style I learned was an early iteration of it before the name change.
The two Goju schools I trained in had nearly 95% identical in techniques, except in the current one I’m in has the son of Masanobu Shinjo as the head of Shobukan Goju Ryu association. This association has an extra kata for beginners and extra dachi katas called Kihon Dachi ichi, kihon dachi ni and kihon dachi San. The rest is certain movements are more direct rather than big movements compared to what I previously learned beforehand. Plus in this current school, they don’t call certain partner practice kata “kiso kumite” like my first one, instead they call it “yakusoku kumite”
Hello, from Shobukan Florida.
@@GoyoMontoya same!!! I’m in the same place and association
I know that school he was saying. They are a private school in think in Queens my co worker trained with them .awesome GOJU history.
Do you know the name of that school in Queens? Im from the BX and train at the IKO-1 dojo in Manhattan
@@ChrissyxMatcha they don't have a dojo or belive in one.
@@CarlosRivera-se3si But do you know the name they go by?
I don't know much about Japanese karate.Very very little.But I will go on to say that it has evolved in a lot in what we do in the field of martial arts.
Anytime you want to train in Goju Ryu Karate, give me a call... You are always welcome
Shorei Goju kempo
Shorei goju Ryu
Goju Shorei
Goju kempo
I studied Kempo GOJU RYU karate do
The style of Goju Ryu I learned teaches these kata: Sanchin; I Kata 1, 2, 3; Gekisai Dai 1, 2; Naihanchi; Hangetsu; Wansu; Tensho; Seiunchin; Saifa. The I Kata are also known as Kihon Kata. Naihanchi is mentioned as a fundamental Kata in an article published by Miyagi. Our Hangetsu and Wansu comes from Shotokan.
Kenshin-ryu from Seiichi Akamine, has Uechi-ryu, Shorin-ryu, Goju-ryu and even some taido, because he was close friends with Seiken Shukumine.
Need a video on Shito Ryu
Have you ever checked out Ron Van Clief's Chinese Goju Karate?
They joined Kyokushin in the 50s? How 🤔 Tadashi nakamura a former teacher of mine joined with Oyama when he was 11 in 1953 he said at the time they just called it oyama dojo. In his book it talks about it kyokushin wasn't officially establish by name until about 1964 so that doesn't really make any sense.
I was thinking some of that information was not true.....however not being a true historian I will shut my mouth. Kevin can you do a deeper dive into that info?
@@mizukarate well I was trying to figure out who the group he is talking about is I am from NYC I am not family with them personally but I don't know everyone on earth and NY has millions of people. But the kyokushin timeline makes 0 sense. Now the characteristics he mentioned with the Zenpo Hiji (forward elbow) is true kyokushin doesn't do that when u was with Nakamura it was a rising elbow when I switched to training under Scot Mertz it because the forward elbow which is a big Goju trademark. Maybe hw misspoke who knows. But in another video he made some mistakes with things too. He called kote kitte, kote kitai lol that's a basic forearm strike drill we have kitte means forging. Sanchin isn't called an hour class stance. Goju isn't all about the Ibuki breathing it's only one of the 5 methods of breathing. Just like there are 5 power generators in Goju.
No offense to Mr.Paul but maybe he has some faulty information. I can tell he has a lot of knowledge but maybe he was a little off the mark. In any case he seems to be doing some strong work into the history of Goju.....I hope he continues to bring up more great information.
The best advice I can give him is go to Okinawa idk if he has speak with people it takes time to build a relationship where they open up. My instructor lives on island he's interviewed family members the granddaughter of Higashionna Kanryo is a friend of his he also knows funakoshis niece through this type of investigating. There's a good series called Okinawan masters on here with a group of foreigners who live on Okinawa who interview these people. Old timers to get real information. Google doesn't give all the answers unfortunately. His information is a bit off but hey he's trying where most are too lazy.
For sure he’s talking about Kaicho Nakamura. It was Kaicho Tadashi Nakamura who bought more Additional Goju katas to Kyokushin.
Perhaps the biggest Goju-ryu hybrid is Shito-ryu ... a combination of Goju-ryu and Shotokan(?)
I trained in an art called Sheshore ryu karate
Sorry I wasn't engaged with this video.
I was expecting a little more detail of what hybrids they were I didn't have a clue what you were talking about. The only one I got was Kyokushin.
Mr dan..in my shorin.ryu the matsuyama system..we elbow strikes are the same way
Kenski Kai is very similar to
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I've been told that Go is Japanese for 5, Ju is Japanese for 10, and Ryu is Japanese for 9. 5-10-9 Karate?
In Japanese, words will have different meanings depending on the context they are used in (English has similar examples). A word used in one sentence can have a different meaning than if it is used in a different context. For example, "Ryu" actually means dragon as a word by itself. But when used as a suffix at the end of another word it means "School", or "Style".
"Go" DOES mean 5, but the word "Go" also means "Hard" in Japanese.
Jū can mean 10 when counting, but it also means "Soft" or "Gentle". Judo = Gentle Way. Jujutsu = Gentle Technique. Goju = Hard Soft.
Ryu does not mean 9, 9 is "Kyuu" or "Kyu".
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Goju Ryu should not be mixed w/ any other style. Because Goju Ryu, and her sister styles like Uechi-Ryu & Shroin-Ryu ( the 3 main states of Okinawan Karate ) are all complete styles. The only reason why, ppl branched out of Goju l-Ryu or mixed Goju-Ryu; one, they were incompetent at Karate or two, they didn’t have the patience or commitment to put into the grind and effort to reach higher ranks of Goju Ryu.