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good things about this series:
1. soundtrack
2. the design of the ms
3. the sameface character designs that make drawing doujinshi of their characters really really easy
Amen on number 2.
actually, this is what I always say when ppl ask y I like seed only for these reasons
And also quite a lot of badass moments
Dub ain't bad either tbh.
Seed is good. Frankly, I loved how the cast are basically representations of the entire war. Sai=natural's jealousy of coordinators. Flay=hatred borne out of prejudice. Miriallia=hatred born out of loss of loved one to an opposition. Kira = how war corrupts the innocent. His experience is very visceral from the way he cried after realising he aimed for the kill on the Ginn to finishing off a bucue without remorse later, and his burning hatred against athrun because of tolle'sand nicol's death blinding them to the fact that they were once best friends. Athrun and patrick=zaft's original hatred against the natural (his mom died to natural's atrocities) and how they are resolved. Dearka and yzak= perceived supremacy of their own faction. Nicol='he was 15, and he loved the piano'
The entire cast is aimed at allowing teenagers to relate their personal struggles with the struggles of the cosmic era war--hatred, and we see how both crazed factions becoming more and more radical. Rau is the embodiment of the hate.
The story falls flat after Kira got the freedom, because the message becomes more 'told' than 'shown'. Lacus' repeated preaching makes sense, but beyond that, beyond the war, no attempt at reconciliation was seen by either party. The Junius treaty is just a compromise. So all lacus and Kira did only amounted to might is right. Granted, no amount of lacus preaching could stop the violence at that time, but this approach will have its consequences in seed destiny, but sadly, it is never explored.
Seed has one of the better gundam designs of the franchise. And the naming of these suits are superb. You know instantly what the suit does or what the characters piloting them represents. Kira in strike Vs Kira in freedom makes the contrast even more palpable--kira who was once manipulated onto striking down opponents and experiencing that hatred is finally liberated from it. Athrun who pilots the aegis to protect his people and Kira on the battlefield (which he did at first) became vindictive. His next suit is the justice, athrun realises the extremism of his father and decided to do what is right, betraying his faction for the good of mankind.
Rau's providence is coloured black-- it is the dark god. The embodiment of hatred that plagues the entirety of cosmic era.
Earth alliance's suits became more violent. Instead of suits with names alluding to their combat roles, they got this: calamity, forbidden, and raider, as if to symbolise their increasing hatred. The pilots of these new suits are the tragic biological CPUs. Showing that the ea will stop at nothing to destroy their opposition.
Destiny has everything going for it. But the writers decided to give shin the boot instead. We could have gotten a compelling character arc. The might is right theme is explored in shinn with his impulse as he battled Kira and almost killed athrun and meyrin when he has the power to do it. Remember, shinn wanted power to protect, but he used it to kill people who have no intention to kill him (athrun, Kira(before he realised he had to get the core splendour to stand a chance) and meyrin)
Durandal wanted to use his power to kill what makes humans human because he fears that hatred in humanity will continue to cause war.
If shinn's character arc were to be explored in full, he serves as the perfect foil against durandal. And this might is right thing can be resolved. At one point durandal basically had the support of the entire earth and space colonies except orb after he exposed blue cosmos. He could have ended the war there and that and proceed to usher peace. He knows that orb doesn't want war, especially with cagali being restored to power, but no, he wanted war because he feared the cycle of hatred, therefore he wanted the universal implementation of the destiny plan.
Shinn would be the one choosing whether or not to go against this. Not Kira. Kira, as a character has been explored he should've died along with the entire archangel crew, athrun, and meyrin. Destiny has always been about shinn. It should have been, to the end, about shinn. How shinn understood that he abused his power because of hatred, and how he repented for being no different from the forces that took Stella and his family. Then, how he overcame it and realise that there is still goodness in humanity.
Why I criticise Kira's might is right approach as wrong: choosing to kidnap cagali and making it difficult for talks to start. He could have intervened and gathered the moderate factions with cagali. Killing Stella (this is more symbolic) when shinn had the chance to talk her out of it. Ripping off athrun instead of properly listening to him because he believes outright that athrun is wrong. Heh, clyne faction's obvious breach of the Junius treaty with nuclear gundams and mirage colloid doms are hypocritical when cagali criticised zaft of making more gundam suits. Kira needs to know that after stopping the war, he, lacus, and cagali must be the arbiter of peace, and that should be done through 'mutual understanding' not might.
Yes, Kira did not want to kill anyone, but his actions only solidified the 'might is right' theme.
you should post this on Reddit's Gundam sub
Ah yes...
In every war there will always be that one soldier that is 15 year old and loved playing the piano.
the soundtrack tho👌
It's golden Indeed, SEED's soundtrack is my no 1 spot of anime OST, recently rewatchingit and I find some music that I used to love as a kid was made by Yuki Kajiura (FictionJunction), whose creations today I also love to bits... I guess taste can't really change much even with tens of years apart haha
you right.
So trueeeee
Yeah... The soundtrack is epic... Specially the one called freedom and justice.
thx for all the attention, kimi wa boku neiteiru is my fav🙌
I only remember Seed as warning messages against racism, ignorance, broken friendships, grief, unending wars, and assholes running their small worlds whatever fits to their ideal images of their utopia. "All you need is love" I guess is the universal message we should be reminded every time.
I feel like one of the most important thing is about the anime's stand against nuclear weapons... Kinda feel like the nuclear bombs dropped in Japan are symbolized by the nuclear missiles that destroyed PLANT colonies.
artfire28 or punching your best friend after stealing his girl
badfoody full on CUCKING lel
@Weston Meyer Gundam seed taught me don't play God and drug addict pilot a robot are worst than emo kid pilot a robot.
What is Love? Baby dont explode me with a gundam no more!
Kira's crying really is the reason I watched SEED and Destiny dubbed.
Durandals sexy voice 😂
@York Hunt i agree , i dare to say that the old dub in SEED is glorious and better than the sub
@@JeanLucCaptain Dude, and Rau La Creuset. Guy had a voice like melted butter when he wasn't screaming like a madman.
@@LeoMidori 🤣🤣
The dub is really good tho, not gonna lie... it's one of the few animes that I don't mind watching with dub
Am I the only one that actually liked the story telling of SEED, rather than just think the only positive things about SEED are cool models and successful in making money and keep GUNDAM series alive?
and the best soundtracks
Your not alone. The Cosmic Era is one of my favorite Gundam timelines. I think people are too hard on these two shows.
I think so too, adding the human element is needed because war is a very human thing not just about the person and their weapon. Any1 that’s ever been in the military can tell u this, which is why I think this is 1 of the best gundam series out there. And the twist of finding out that the earth alliance aren’t actually the good guys and it’s not simply black and white.
No I enjoyed the story, characters, animation, and art from the show. Pretty much every aspect of it. And as a counter to the video, I'm not a girl or a child. I was probably 15 when I saw SEED for the first time. And I still enjoy it too this day and I'm almost 30 now. I don't understand all the hate that some anime get.
No. The characters and storytelling in SEED were great. Having a war where both sides are in the wrong and everything is in shades of grey was a great idea. It was very politically complicated as well. I liked it in the same way I liked Zeta, but SEED managed to be far less totally dark than Zeta was.
Its one of the more mature treatments of war and politics I've seen.
There were also some really great moments. Like with Badgiruel where she started out as an obey no matter what officer and gradually & finally getting pushed to her moral breaking point where she did a mutiny. There was Cagalli who kept making bad decisions when she was finally in charge. There was the coup in space against the father of Lacus. And there was Rau Le Creuset who was working on the inside of the military to make everything worse.
The only I think I regret is that they didn't do one more series to show Lacus making mistakes and how every leader (including Lacus) has strengths and weaknesses when running things.
If it wasn't for Gundam SEED, I would have never gotten into Gundam. After watching Seed and Seed Destiny, I got into other Gundam shows. I've seen all of: the original Gundam series via the compilation movies, Zeta Gundam, 0080, G Gundam, 08th MS Team, Build Fighters, and Build Fighters Try. I've seen parts of other series and there is still a lot I have yet to see at all. I still like SEED (not SEED Destiny much) but it has been a long time since I've seen it. I was buying the DVDs as they were released at Suncoast. I guess that shows my age!
Did you do any research regarding early Gundam's demographic for this video? Even since the first MSG aired a huge part of the fanbase was female and they noticed this early on which is one of the reasons why Kamille is a bit girly for example. Hell, characters like Garma and Char had a lot of female fans and from what I've gathered there was a lot of doujin material made by females even on the days of the original run of MSG.
It was probably going to be mostly aimed at male kids to sell them toys during it's first days but if that was the case then that changed pretty quickly.
What Seed did was not being the first one in having a big focus on elements that female audiences enjoy, but having a more melodramatic approach to it's relationships and story telling. I don't wanna sound elitist but it pretty much used the lowest common denominator tropes that attract young female audience which I think it's what separates how it attracted them compared to the previous series.
If anything SEED is the only Gundam TV series to not be largely reliant upon heavy handed tropes, and a combination of short attention spans or audiences not thinking things through up to when it came out. It actually took the proper time to develop things, handled issues at a rather sophisticated level, and made characters people. Since then IBO is the only other TV series to raise to the level of being well written.
Large portions of UC fall apart the second you realize Amuro was born in Canada, Lalah in India, and Quess on Earth thus debunking the entire NewType hypothesis. While you can have a false prophet in a series when the false prophet is that blatant and literally no one goes "wait a minute..." when you have things like Char proposing mass bombardment of Earth following said delusion, you have a problem.
The series in UC usually considered the best is Zeta, and if you've watched it all I should need to say is "Reccoa." Along those lines do I need to remind you the Titans pilot Zeon suits because Tomino was afraid the audience might get mixed up on who the "bad guys" were, and beyond the series equivalent of Finn they were cartoon evil for the sake of being cartoon evil. Indeed Zeta is so deeply flawed 0083 exists specifically to make setting modifications just to fix serious setting related problems Zeta otherwise has.
Wing's characterization is such an utter joke they had to literally invoke "the little girl and her dog" in EW to try to pretend Heero wasn't a one note sheet of paper pretending to be a person, and its Absolute Pacifism thesis is so flawed and oversold it repeatedly debunks it in the process of trying to sell it. Plus has blatantly obvious narrative coherency problems like the Preventers just hiring the guy who wanted to literally make Earth uninhabitable "for peace" the last time anyone saw him and giving him the keys to one of the last high performance MS they knew existed, no questions asked... Friendly reminder if the Mariemaia group had waited an additional week they and Zechs would literally be the only one with MS, per the Narrator conceit at the end of EW.
@@jebe4563 kinda tl;dr but weren't new types people living in space that eventually develop their powers rather than just people born there? My Gundam knowledge is rusty but I'm pretty sure that's how it worked.
Well, teens in their adolescence binge on teen melodrama. Can't say it didn't work. Seed is an easy story to get into. That's it. It doesn't have the complexity and depth of UC series. War is just about hatred. But as far as getting the youngsters involved, it worked pretty darn well I guess.
@@orangeyellow9695 i would like to point out a bit of a contridiction
but i feel with the whole seed is contridicting it's self with war
all i got from it was the famous words of sun downer
"give war a chance"
and the atrocity lacks impact
like i do not care for shite
@jebe4563 LOL'ing at the fact that someone would actually try and say SEED is deep. It has about as much depth as a kiddie pool and the fact that you say it doesn't rely on heavy-handed tropes is even more laughable. Hilariously so. 😂😂😂
Honestly, I really enjoyed Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny. They were the first ones I watched and they got me into Gundam, some of the characters like Mu La and Rau are really memorable, not to mention the Providence is one of my favourite Gundam. But I just like all the characters and the story isn't as bad as everyone says it is...
iBra1n Media yeah, I definitely agree.
Nahhh its basically beam spam galore and a mary sue protagonist
Seed was good, but destiny...
Providence has been my favourite gundam since I saw it at 3 yrs old Rau is my favourite gundam character ever he's so cool
same destiny was my first ever anime and its what got me into both gundam and anime
I think it was popular because it actually was a more realistic view of war, you see both sides of a war and how it can tear friendships and families apart
Gundam 0080, 08th Ms team, Zeta, F91, Unicorn, Narrative all do a much better job at that.
Gundam Seed was one of my early Gundam Series that I watched, it gave me curiosity to the other series. Sure Seed doesn't hold up against its Universal Century counter parts but it was my gateway to Gundam. Also Seed was my first Exposure to Yuki Kajiuras songs.
John Smith Me as well. The top 3 in my book are Unicorn, 0080, and Turn A. Still started off loving SEED as a kid.
saaaaame!
My first Gundam show was Wing, then i saw Seed/Seed Destiny. After that i search hte other series, most of them were cool, but none of them was as cool as Seed. At least until 00 appearance.
yeah, seed is not my best gundam series but it is what attract me into gundam franchise as a kid so its not horrible like what people said, then 00 came, that made me a gundam fan permanently
John Smith yup, likewise here mate. SEED my first exposure to Gundam series.. Not a great show but still love it. I'm more into 00 Series.
This is only gundam I've ever watched, I've never watched the ones that were made after. The level of impact this set had on me whoo 🤧🤧🤧🤧
Freedom is a box office success
SEED is kinda okay, but Destiny butchered anything good it had. Aside from the mecha designs, SEED mecha designs are top notch. Mu is still one of my favorite Gundam characters ever though.
I always wondered how, at least in Japan, Destiny was the most popular Gundam, beating out the original Gundam, the milked-to-hell Unicorn, and the forever-praised Zeta, this is some really good insight on the question.
Mico Nuq “aside from the mecha designs, SEED mecha designs are top notch”. I’m having trouble understanding this sentence. I apologize but can you elaborate?
I can never look beyond the toxic relationship Kira has with that girl who hates coordinators. Like I’ve seen healthier better written relationships in hentai
Japan isn't as critical as the rest, they like Lacus, Kira and love it for what it is. In 2000's is was massively popular even here.
@@thelinedrive that girl is flay. That toxic relationship drives the story forward. Flay has always been an interesting character to me. Don't get Me wrong though, I don't like flay as a person, but as a tool for storytelling she pretty darn well does her job better than almost every other supporting cast.
Flay has a character arc and is always destabilising the archangel crew's equilibrium. But sadly, she is doomed, perhaps as a form poetic justice.
She is also the lens for us to understand the deep-seated hatred for the coordinators borne by the naturals. And her hatred stem from prejudice, rather than vendetta (mirriallia haw exaemplifies this) or jealousy (sai argyle).
Seed is gundam remade into an entry level show, and it uses its characters as a means for us to connect with the overarching war narrative on a visceral level. Unicorn, turn a, zeta, and the many UC OVAs deals with far more abstract concepts of war, and this loss of depth and the clear, black-white characterisations make the story too simple for any UC fan. But it gets the job done--its entry level, after all. It was the first gundam I watch.
Similarly, Your name is more popular than shinkai's earlier works because it is much simpler to understand--lol, some of the symbolisms are mentioned outright, that's a no-no for me (the scarlet thread, for example). But don't get me wrong, seed is not comparable to your name in terms of writing, it's still inadequate.
@@thelinedrive Kira and Flay's relationship is easily one of the best parts of the show wym
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>old robot shows were about the robots, that’s why they suck
I feel like anybody who says this haven’t actually watched older shows. After the 70s toei era it’s generally been characters first, robots second. Look at any Gundam series made before Wing and you will find this to be true
I completely agree. Especially for Wing. If you ever check out Gundam Wing Abridged by Operation Meatier there's a line that Zechs says that's fairly accurate. "I came here for the fights but all I ever get are people talking". The characters are pretty important and the robots are the icing on the cake.
No the story is the lead the characters are second and the mechs/ships/ vehicles come lastly. In Wing it’s about those who do before thinking vs those with power who don’t wanna lose it aka; Control. Seed is about Hatred. Mobile Suit Gandam is about the Horrors of War so are most of the Gundam series about War. G-fighter is about ecological pollution and corruption. Every Gundam series has a different premise but most are about war and it’s horrors. Although most super robot anime show in the early 70 did have a lot of over the top scenes but most are about friendships and most are character driven if not story drive none are about the robot solely, if you think I’m lying see how many wins by the power of friendship outcomes there are in a old super robot franchise?
@@samaguirre3283 I see where you're coming from. Every time I see Wing I notice something different about the plot or the characters that I hadn't prior. Not entirely sure why lol but I can definitely see the whole power of friendship routine playing out several times in the first Seed no doubt. Kira gets his second gundam because of the power of friendship 🤣 maybe that's what kept him surviving impossible situations 🤔 or maybe was plot armor
Red PHOENIX Mk3 both I’m sure
As a male, I loved the Seed saga. I've seen UC, 00 and iron blooded orphans. Non have impacted me as much seed/Destiny did and still do to this day. CEforever.🤟😁
"This video is not made to critique"
Then proceeds to shit on every aspect of the show
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Seed and Seed destiny had the most "gundam style" mobile suit designs (two eyes and v fin). There was a alot of variety in design in color scheme, which you don't see in other gundam series. For me, I find the seed gundam designs to be some of the best in gundam
We all know turn a has the best gundam design, because
I can never look at Edward Newgate the same way again after seeing turn a gundam.
For real though, strike has always been my favourite.
truth
@@orangeyellow9695 Lmao I never really thought of that
I disagree, I find the Suits from Seed to be incredibly samey, basically all using the same base and just adding different fins, spikes, and bulk on to them. The suits in Wing were incredibly distinct from each other, and the same could be said for many gundams before and after Seed. A lot of the visual art direction for seed feels way way too safe, and it really hurts it.
Yes. There is an entire country United Emirate of Orb that uses the v-fin-and-2-eye design for all their mainline units. Since technically it is their own design initially.
watch freedom and justice fight against 3 human computer with their freaking MS, ending with destroy of orb with akatsuki no kuruma OST... it's freaking awesome bro, and when kira down to earth with freedom protecting archangel... again with great OST, SEED is great gundam franchise not only because design of MS, story and OST is make it great.
Welcome back, friend. Can’t believe you came through with a SEED video. I remember you said you were gonna make one like 2 years ago. Ironically enough, that’s what spurred me to go and watch SEED and Destiny. So uhh thanks for that? I got a lot of good laughs out of it for sure.
My Favorite will always be Gundam : 08th ms team...Always lol.
I really need to buy the movie that takes place after the series and re-watch it all (been on my to-do list for far too long) One of the few series I'm willing to buy
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But The Origin is pretty dope up til now too. Episode 6 better tease a 40th anniversary remake or I might just neck myself.
CWFitness gundam wing was my first
Man of culture
I still love Gundam Seed
+Adan Dangli:
I am glad Kira became the main character again! I just hated that Shin guy!
Seed is fine. It's a perfectly serviceable introduction to the franchise. It's not without its flaws but what's really weighing it down is Destiny.
Adan Dangli I used to think the same, but after a rewatch, I no longer thinks that way, the two are interlocked with each other, and each has their shining moments, I love both series now.
you're a fucking idiot
Also, your editing is soooo crisp. You’ve clearly gotten a lot of practice in since the last time we heard from you. Not to mention those to die for minimalist Gundam head designs. Remind me to twist your arm into making those into posters so I can line my walls use with them.
Regardless of SEED's merits or lack thereof, SEED Destiny had the potential to be a worthy sequel. Then they ditched the new cast in favor of the older characters, copied the last half of SEED practically word for word, and hoped that the audience wasn't smart enough to realize it.
Sadly, they were right.
Matthew Batts they didn’t copy the end of the first season but they did copy the original Gundam and Gundam Zeta/Double Zeta series mostly, as for your perception of a lack of story you have to dig deep into the story, here’s a clue it’s about hatred?! That might also explain why you feel that they just got lazy and copied the first season because in the first season it was about how these children adjusting to being adults in war about hatred, now Destiny takes it to whole new level and makes you see pure hatred and its outcome which isn’t that much different from the first season, but in season two the original cast have adjusted moving on with life and new cast are struggling and on the wrong side from the beginning to the end. Now the original Mobile Suit Gundam and Gundam Zeta/Double Zeta was about the horrors of WAR on Children, I think most of them are about the horrors of war, but Seed/ Seed Destiny series is about hatred a subject sadly we human don’t wanna talk about?
I liked the first season. But ya they Fucked up the second half. For real emotional impact Kira should have died and we should have seen the fallout.
@@samaguirre3283 Stop saying intelligent things. We are here to blindly hate on SEED (a.k.a. the best Gundam series along with Zeta) .
@@samaguirre3283 seed is about hatred. Seed destiny is about Hatred and the use of power.
Durandal feared humanity's hatred, therefore, he wanted to implement the destiny plan. In his naive thinking, if everyone is set on his destiny, there is no point in breaking out of it. It is similar to the caste system, just with genetics, not birthright. Durandal, at one point, had the power to usher in peace after he exposed blue cosmos and has almost everybody Except orb on his side. But orb doesn't want war, durandal knows that given cagali is now in power. He decided on going through with war because of his fear of hatred. He intends to use his power to rob away freedom. It is unjust.
Shinn should be his foil just as how Kira was rau's foil. This is because, despite how Kira talks about peace and mutual understanding he used his power in ways that prolonged conflict. And he thinks he is always in the right. Kidnapping cagali instead of intervening and getting cagali to stand up against seiran to initiate a negotiation means he did not trust that they can reach a mutual understanding. Him killing Stella when shinn could have talked her out of shows that he did not believe that a mutual understanding can be reached. Imagine if at that point, Kira also shouted at Stella while sheathing his sabers and observe the scene because Stella literally stopped what she was doing. I am not discounting that Kira should kill Stella to prevent the devastation at the soonest possible time, but from a narrative standpoint it shows his willingness to use force when mutual understanding could have been reached. Clyne faction's use of mirage colloid and n-jammer canceller shows that they are all on board on this might is right thing, and yes, they just violated the Junius treaty after forced zaft and EA to sign post seed. Kira could have met with durandal and try to talk things out with cagali in hand. This could be accompanied by athrun. Whether or not the talk succeeds is not the point, but it shows his unwillingness to understand his enemy (durandal have issued orders to kill lacus). If the talk ends in failure then all the better: what happens when both sides disagree? Is there room for peace? This can be explored further throughout the series. Kira confronting shinn would also make a good drama, shinn reminding Kira of his dead family, showing that despite his efforts, he still couldn't prevent collateral damage, questioning his use of force. And shinn being reminded of the inevitability of deaths in war, even of the one killing his family is on the right side. This humanises both characters and it is something Kira must contend with in destiny. (My beam spam hurts people too)
Shinn pilots the impulse when he was an impulsive brat. That's why, despite his conviction to use his power to protect others, he succumbed to hatred and used it to destroy people who never intended to kill him i.e. not his enemies. Exemplified by shinn repeatedly exploiting Kira's unwillingness to land killing blows until later on, and him taking down athrun and meyrin. Frankly all three should've died. And that segues into shinn's character growth. His next suit is destiny, because his choice later on determines whether humanity is destined for durandal's plan or freedom and justice, two beliefs destroyed by shinn (Kira and athrun)
Essentially seed destiny could have explored in deeper themes whether peace in eternal tyranny is better than freedom with the risk of war. Team kira uses direct force to enforce peace, while durandal stands by the destiny plan: enforcing peace through social segregation and genetics.
Remember the lesson in seed: regardless of who you are, we are all humans. So durandal's values are contradictory to seed's themes. It's the same for Kira because he contradicted the ideal that mutual understanding is the road to peace.
Shinn should represent the belief that humanity can reconcile and transcend hatred without the use of force and tyranny. Another very idealistic thing, but it's something that resonates well with us.
Great editing and an interesting analysis of this subject. I will stay tuned for more vids.
If I want to fall into a coma from boredom is when I'll watch Turn A.
And thus Seed Eclipse is announced.
"I thought I was out, but they keep getting me back in" -Sooin, most likely.
Hey, this video is unlisted now and I'm trying to find a video they did on Turn A that I watched a long time ago that's likely also unlisted. I don't suppose you have a link to it at all? :/ Like from your liked videos (how I re-found this) or something
2019 and still. Re-wathching it all over again 😍 my first anime my first love ❤️ the reason. Why im so inlove with anime is bec of this 😍❤️💕 its true that fist love never dies 💕❤️😍💖
But flay died, and she's Kira's first love.
Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny have complex stories, and they all come together nicely. I also loved how most characters developed throughout the 2 series, from Kira...to Ramius....to Cagalli.
Songs are also great, unforgettable for me❤
SEED definitely has some of the most OP gundams. Strike Freedom was like unstoppable. Freedom had some weaknesses, but then they added on the dragoon system, took away the heavy shield and gave it beam shields instead. A chest cannon and also not one but two beam rifles that can be combined into a beam cannon. The only thing that would make it more OP is if it had cloaking teching too.
I have to admit I like Athrun Zala.
Both actors do an excellent job...he's well written despite having his internal conflict for a long time
I love your editing style. Hope you keep making more videos like this and the Kikyo one.
And now SEED's 20th Anniversary will be celebrated by a new movie sequel.
This is literally the first time I’ve heard of Seed getting mentioned in 15 years
LONG LIVE THE OG FREEDOM GUNDAM, that and the bloody valentine war is why I stuck to it with unicorn and 08th MS Team being my 2nd favs, whenever I get bored of Gundam, I always end up back into it by stumbling upon a SEED song/ost or BATTLE OF ORB...Akatsuki No Kuruma gets to tears every time.
Akatsuki no Kuruma is a great gateway song to the rest of Kajiura Yuki's music (which includes stuff "by" Fiction Junction)
I'm interesting in seeing more videos from you and seeing more of your views/opinions. Keep up the good work ^^
Holy cow this is so well made. How do you not have more subs and views. This is top-notch video quality
2000 till now I'm still watching GUNDAM SEED AND GUNDAM SEED DESTINY 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
I love seed and destiny. I understand all the critics that people have against Seed and destiny but honestly, in the end it's my childhood's memories that matter to me though. And not gonna lie how badass the gundams are, the story is okay but I'm okay with it. IN THE END IT DOESN"T EVEN MATTER!
I've watched a few episodes of the OG gundam and wing when I was a kid. Seed, however, was the series that made me a mecha fan. So even if seed is not the best gundam anime in hindsight, it still has a very special place in my heart.
The video is so on point I can't find the words to add anything worth mentioning. Good job again, Sooin!
I don´t understand the Lacus fans either. Cagalli for me, tomboys are my favorite.
What i liked about SEED is how close it stayed to the original but with the updated graphics, motion of characters and mecha were much more fluid and natural compared to 0079.
Plus, it was one of the first GUNDAM shows that got released on Europe, generally a rarity among mecha titles.
Oh man, now i got a confession to make: i dropped Turn-A after about the half and never gained any interest in it. Which means a lot, given that i finished Victory...
Sim. Frischh Agree with you on Turn A. I watched the first few episodes and just quit. It was so boring. Victory is great.
I hated Victory, everyone seemed to die in such a useless way.
But i respect your tastes, it just didn´t do it for me.
Sim. Frischh Thanks ☺️
Gundam SEED is in my top 4 favourite Gundam series. I love SEED Destiny when I first watched it, SEED is better in the long run however. I look forward to watching Turn A sometime this year!
ok first thing first, your presentation is gorgeous both bgm and animated parable
Cause it takes everything from the core UC OVAs (08th MS team and Stardust Memory) and combines them into a full length show.
It's kind of sad that After War Gundam X was so screwed over by constant time slot changes, because I feel that it could have done a lot of the same things SEED did, but while being one of the best entries in the franchise.
Instead it got canceled, and a dozen episodes were cut. Many of which I imagine would help develop Garrod and Tiffa, who are already the best romantic Gundam couple.
After War Gundam X was not screwed over because of time slots, it was screwed over because of ratings
@@thomasffrench3639 low ratings that were in-part caused by several timeslot changes that confused fans on when the show would even be on.
It's not the only reason, but one of several. Gundam fatigue immediately after G and Wing probably didn't help.
@@RayOfTruth changing time slots are due to low rating most of the time.
I wish that G Gundam could get love from bandai for model kits
Kevin DeLuna I just want kits of the whole Shuffle Alliance. I need a good Gundam Maxter kit.
Yeah and I want a god gundam mg 2.0 and a mg nobell gundam
Same. Imagine a Nether Gundam getting a gunpla.
@Weston Meyer Sounds cool. Maybe not as a full series, but a OVA that's a few episodes long sounds good.
We NEED a sequel
I subscribed to/discovered this channel today. This video is really well put together! I get the impression that this channel had more videos at some point? I really hope this isn't the last video uploaded to this channel.
You did an aweaome job thanks for the analysis! Agreed with you completely
I can't help but notice how great the graphics and editing are, especially those Gundam head portraits. 10/10
I really enjoyed Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny
I absolutely loved this video.
Thank youuuu!!!
First off I'd like to say... This was a good video. I like hearing different points of view, and because of you I'm going to watch Turn A finally. Thank you.
Literally the soundtrack was the most memorable part about the seed series. I remember watching this show on saturday nights on toonami when it first aired. Feels good music. Only watching the series as an adult do its flaws. Still a decent anime and translates well over time. 6/10
For me the thing that ruined seed for me was Kira, goddamn how I hated that character. There is a spinoff in the same universe in which the main character is a natural named 'sven', if Kira was replaced by him, the story and the series would be so much better in so many ways.
The fact that you bring up Turn A so much makes me really happy.
I never watch any Gundam series until Seed was shown in Cartoon Network.
Sure G and Wing was being shown before, but I stop watching after the first episode at the time it wasnt my interest.
Seed held a special place for me for introducing me to Gundam.
I recognize the flaws in the series as I watch them. But I was more invested in this series than others.
Because Gundam Seed saved Gundam franchise from dying and the story is retelling of the original 1979 tv series but more extreme.
Kind of ironic that the whole series didn't even focus on the Gundam itself. And yes, it succeeded because of the major characters. The Gundams are just plot device
this is a good video, subbed
Loved the layout and card design you used during the segments, would love to see you analyze Turn A or any of the really great parts of Gundam most casual fans have never watched.
This was awesome! I plan on watching SEED soon, I'll have to try not to let this color my opinion xP
Because it was the first all out war sub-genre from Gundam since the Universal Century days. With Gundam you either get two things:
young kids piloting gundams fighting a large organization (Wing, Iron Blooded Orphans, 00)
or
young kids piloting gundams trying to stop? two large organizations who hate each other (Seed, AGE, Original Gundam)
RedTeamReview What about adult characters like Domon, Bellri, and Char?
Young kids? Setsuna was the only “young” pilot. 00 was also pretty much an all out war. They were a terrorist organization fighting against governmental corruption and tyranny.
BlueFacondor Amuro was 15, Flint started at like 10, Garrod is also under 15
Well for as much as this girls boasting. I think turn A was actually the first all out “war” outside the universal century. But really it’s not as good as she claims. It’s more on par with “V” and X” and I only got all the way through X because they really are just that bad, with X in my opinion being the best. Or at least the easiest to watch.
lol, fighting a terrorist group is one thing, but two politically separated entities fighting is another. Just like how the war on terrorism is different from the likes of World War II.
I'm sorry, but I really can't agree with almost everything you've said here. For one thing, the bias in this analysis is overwhelming. Now, you do make good points about things like the way the interpersonal drama of the characters draws heavily from OTT K-Drama, but a great deal of the conclusions you come to are just... bizarre.
Let's begin with your assertion that 'the man can only change and improve thanks to the influence of that one special girl in his life'. How did you come to this conclusion? SEED has a pretty well-defined and solid character arc for both of its main characters; Kira and Arthrun. Yes, they do receive considerable character development from their interactions with Lacus and Cagali, but this is in _tandem_ with the very extensive character development they receive from other sources. Kira in particular is arguably more influenced by the likes of Mu La Flaga, Rau and Arthrun. Lacus doesn't even have that large of a physical presence during SEED itself; she shows up once during the space arc for her initial bonding with Kira, and then doesn't see him again until over halfway through the series. Their relationship is surprisingly low-key, and her influence mostly serves to push him over the edge of decisions he was very much in the process of making already. To make this assertion is to neuter the story of much of its nuance and intricacy.
The next assertion I have to take issue with is this; 'SEED [...] follows a basic mainstream narrative, by simplifying the story to its basic elements and nullifying the complex themes and subject matter, you get an easily digestible series capable of reaching a wide audience, especially children.'
At this point, I have to sincerely ask; did you watch the same show that everyone else did? SEED is renowned for having a complex plot that extensively deconstructs the concept of a generic good versus evil narrative, arguably _more so_ than the UC era ever managed. Throughout the entire early portions of the show, the central character dynamic is Kira fighting for a side that is actively seeking to destroy his own people. The writer takes great pains to show how both sides are morally grey, and that a victory by either side would mean the virtual extinction or subjugation of the other. In the original MSG, Zeon are depicted as consistently evil throughout, and the show never comments on what will happen to the colonies after the Earth Federation has conquered them again. The series was also noted for never shying away from showing the true horrors of war, as well as the racial tensions that exist between the Naturals and the Coordinators. I must also take issue with your definition of the show as 'easily digestible'. Rather than debate this, I'm just going to include a list of scenes that are presented without censorship during the course of the animation.
1) The destruction of a colony by nuclear weapons, and the hundreds of civilians that are either vaporized or suffer from explosive decompression as the hull is ruptured.
2) A shuttle full of civilians exploding from a beam rifle shot, as shown from the interior in slow motion.
3) A laboratory full of dead children, complete with tanks of decaying fetuses.
4) Images of said children being experimented on and killing each other in trials to produce super-soldiers.
5) Multiple sequences of people being cooked from the inside out by microwave radiation, then bursting like blisters.
6) A character being violently decapitated by the blunt edge of a shield thrown through the cockpit of the Skygrasper he is inside at the time.
7) A main villain being disintegrated by direct exposure to a beam saber, in slow motion.
8) The complete destruction of a major city by an out-of-control super-weapon, with many shots of civilians being vaporized by energy weapons, crushed by debris, or torn apart by explosions.
9) Surrendering soldiers being executed by mobile suit grade projectile fire, blowing them to pieces.
10) Shinn witnessing the death of his entire family, complete with a lingering shot of his little sister's severed, bleeding arm lying mere feet from him.
11) Lone Coordinators being violently lynched by hate mobs.
And this list goes on. And on. And on. I actually missed out a fair few that sprung to mind, simply because I couldn't think of ways to easily summarize them.
I would also dispute your argument that the heroes and villains of SEED are binary in nature. Again; the show takes great pains to show how both sides go from one extreme to another, being manipulated into increasingly greater acts of violence and retaliation until neither one can see any solution but genocide. The main villain, Rau Le Crueset, has a rather tragic backstory and spent most of his childhood as the plaything of a megalomaniac who denied him even the most basic form of self-identity. He is also a flawed clone, doomed to die in his early thirties or forties. All of the personality traits that make him a villain are explored in some detail by SEED, and further - posthumously - in Destiny. Muruta Azrael on the other hand is much more actively evil and unsympathetic, but he is also supposed to serve as an example of how paranoia and mistrust inevitably allows fascistic monsters to take control over society and twist it to evil ends. Even _then_, the show goes out of its way to demonstrate that he does not have total backing by his underlings, who question his authority and his plans for genocide constantly. In the end, he dies after being betrayed by the very individual he personally selected to command his flagship, due to her loyalty and dedication to the chain of command.
I could go on for many paragraphs, but I hope I've demonstrated my points adequately enough in this mini-essay here. I think this video has _some_ decent points, but it _vastly_ overestimates the impact of these points and hugely downplays all the really good things contained within the Cosmic Era timeline.
Jeran Korak TV Tropes actually called this one of the darkest Gundam series. Agree with what you said.☺️
You are absolutely right. Good job.
Thank you. I appreciate the support. To clarify something; I don't think SEED is the best Gundam show, and it has plenty of flaws and issues that can be analyzed from a pretty objective standpoint. I do however like it a lot for what it manages to do right. Even Destiny, despite fumbling many, many times, has its own virtues and a lot more depth than people often give it credit for. If people dislike SEED and its sequel, that's their prerogative. But I do feel a certain need to critique and dissemble arguments about it that don't seem to have any real veracity to them.
*"SEED is renowned for having a complex plot that extensively deconstructs the concept of a generic good versus evil narrative, arguably more so than the UC era ever managed."*
Umm...it seems like you were just watched a tiny part of U.C., but before I said anything may I ask that did you watch (or read) any of the U.C. era after the original?
couldn't agree more!
This what I loved about this series, it tackles the moral judgement of humanity whether it was good to modify our DNA for the better of humanity (Coordinators) vs the normal human being (naturals). It also tackles of what might happen when Humanity takes the route of human enhancement which is very achievable now, for instance if the people suddenly have a cognitive enchantment due to genetic engineering and they became the most smartest being on earth and because of our moral compass today for the religious it would blasphemy, and in most extreme cases imagine the slavery period slaves became super smart I'm pretty sure that slave people would be extinct (I admit this is a worst example). This is just one of the example of human behaviors and in SEED it just tackles of all that. That's why I don't really know the hate on SEED, I'm pretty sure that people who watch didn't understand the message of the series or just haters who join the bandwagon of haters and just hating it.
This where SICnanigans biased comes in, her logical argument she's states how ordinary this series is and focused on how clean and to her eyes how bishounen drawing style it was, by that conclusion she argues about how money making industry makes money. In business perspectives she hates how business industry makes money talking about irony of the irony that's why haters gonna hate.
Hopefully you understand my point, I'm not fluent in english at all.
Your content is so pro... I wish you success with your talent. You could make a living on your editing alone.
Awesome video! Very informative. I always wondered why it was still so popular.
Lacus is still the most beautiful pink hair character EVER drawn in anime history
even when im Athrun x Cagali team
i completely agree!! She soo pretty!!!
Well I'm team Shinn and Stella since that ship have much more potential for growth but have to agree, Lacus is easy on the eyes. Just don't look too hard into her actions though then it become TERRIFYING.
Love Lacus❤
That moment that i liked gundam seed not due to all the drama or gundam that was mentioned but rather due to ship battles. I just love the ship battles together with their jargon during a fight like they do not just say fire to that target but say a whole lot of things
Also why did my fave character have to die Natarle? Meanwhile MU survived for some reason?????????
The Garden of E sim 117 just do what I do and write off Destiny as a high budget fanfic (it has the same writing problems as one).
Mu had an epic death and fuck messing with that for a BS amnesia plot.
I salute Natarle until the end.
Joshua Mon De Belen me too
DynamicWorlds yes that looks like a good medicine to swallow
Yes yes that. I like how they made the military feel like a functional one.
Fantastic video! Also, I loved those little cards you used. It would be great if you shared a link to those and also the gorgeous pictures of Loran from Turn A
liked and subscribed. Love this channel, need more videos like this.
Gundam Seed/Destiny is going Blu ray, with seed having a re dub :D in 2018. woot yes it's popular even still.
The reason why I love the side stories or alternate timelines like seed and 00 is because the stories are much more condensed and you don't need prior knowledge of the previous series or events. I have tried many times to watch the main timeline gundam series but I always find myself lost and hardly knowing what's going on. And I've even tried slogging through the original gundam anime, but to me it's not a fun watch. So I cannot retain it or will essentially not pay attention to it because it's not interesting to watch. But for side stories like seed, G Gundam, 00, etc. They're all fun to watch and I can get into them without needing to know any backstory
Woah, please do more stuff, you're great!
Like it or not because of GS and GSD ,gundam fan are spreading around the world.including my little sister who before seeing GS not knowing what is gundam. Now she know all gundam series.All thanks to GS and GSD series
because its f***ing amazing
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3:57 is that the word “SEXCAM” on the right hand side of the screen
SCXCAM
This video is really interesting ^^
As someone who has been watching Gundam Seed (on and off until now) it's good to hear someone talk about it from the perspective of a Gundam fan. Yes, it is an easy way to get into the Gundam series, and it has some pretty cheesy moments (and especially Flay for about 80% of the show), but I think that some do love the cheesiness, the K-Drama levels of drama. Hell, this show got me yelling at my screen because of certain moments, like the end of Phase 40 or when Ramius and La Flaga kissed (because we all knew that was gonna happen but it was still enjoyable nonetheless)
But I am glad I came across your video, even if it was because it was recommended on a video of the first intro ^^'
Loved your analysis.
And find funny how we are two extremes as my opinion of Turn A is basically what you think of SEED.
But both are Gundam, that is to me what really matters.
Gundam Kira yeah, I don't like Turn A either.
Gundam seed Stargazer was what seed and seed destiny should have been.
damn that spin-off is dark af. but also the best one in the Seed series
But it was so good! Best hour I spent on the Seed timeline.
Stargazer...damn, that was a waste of potential to make it just 1 movie
Stargazer had a low budget and didn't get to explain enough with what little screen time it had
I really don't think the romance part was done well at all. Especially Lacus and Kira... that really felt like it came out of nowhere.
Not really, they already started a bond when they first met on the Archangel.
Lacus already saw what a gentle person Kira was during her brief stay on the Archangel
When she made her way back to the plants she told Arthun that she was "quite fond" of Kira, signifying her attraction to him.
Then when Kira was rescued after his battle with Athrun he had quite some time to get more antiquated with Lacus while he was healing.
And then Lacus gives Kira the Freedom, to not kill as Flay wanted him to, but to protect.
This ideal rings soundly with Kira, which gives an attraction to Lacus on his end.
Finally when they reunite in space, they solidify their bond as Lacus depends on Kira for emotional support after her father died while Kira doing the same after finding out the truth about himself.
So naw, not really out of nowhere.
Well, but all of that are all inferred. The show certainly was not trying to lead us that way until it happened. "Quite fond" could mean the various levels of attractions. And holding the same ideal doesn't mean that you need to be emotionally attracted to her. It's more like... you can consider her as a comrade or sth. I don't know really... It feels like you are putting a lot more words into the story than the story writer is. I understand that not all shows will throw you all the information, but this isn't even subtle, it's basically nonexistent.
It seems you disregard my evidence purely based on your speculation of the scenes.
Well, to you it would look like it was out of nowhere since you think nothing of those scenes.
They wouldnt have Lacus say something like that about Kira unless there was a good reason.
Its supposed to be subtle, theres a lot of subtle parts in this series.
Sure I might be looking into it a little bit more, but thats what you have to do with subtle scenes, gotta look beyond.
If you didnt notice any of it then I guess its just how you see it.
They're together, I explained evidence, if you dont see it then you just dont see it I suppose.
Love this one. It’s sooo good.
Having never looked into the history of the show you gave me some new info. I personally like both series (I don't think they are perfect) but I highly enjoy them to this day. Turn A Gundam howver I have never seen and based on the bits I have... never will.
Truthfully I don't even like the MS designs, but I AM grateful for it's place within the Gundam franchise as a whole. Great video!
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@@nicovespruzzi6963 that one's ok. Astray's my favorite but I can't bring myself to even get kits of anything from SEED.
I repeatedly watch this series like a rush because of the Soundtrack and that Mwu X Murrue and Athrun X Cagali are my Favorite Gundam Couples. Let's also add the ZGMF-X10A Freedom is my Second favorite Gundam next to GN-00 Gundam 00 Raiser.
what a channel to explore
Really enjoyed this video, and the art you use is top notch for selling premise (plus they look rad).
Also, what's your favorite non-gundam mecha series?
Gundam Seed is the best anime ever.
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. May your words spread around the world.
It was the Gundam series that got me hooked to Gundam.
It's like fast food, you need it at some point
Seed is a beautiful exploration on what chain of command, taking orders against your better judgement does to a person, to a soul; especially in times of war. Kira is only able to break free from all of it when he is provided the tool to do so - with the apt name, Freedom Gundam. Kira's friends, were all students, free and neutral, and when they are subdued its at the orders of a soldier, who only takes them in as she awaits further orders on how to handle the kids; the kids eventually join the chain of command, and we see the toll it takes (we see the Tolle it takes heh heh). That's ArchAngels initial journey, finding the place where they can get orders - they do not have the agency , they are looking for their place amidst the chain of command. By the end of their long journey they are betrayed by the one's giving orders and this culminates into the crew breaking free and following through on their own ambitions and convictions in this hellish war - throw in the fact that both sides are being commanded by volatile extremists who ultimately want the complete eradication of their opposition - and amidst all of this, are two best friends who are losing their friendship over said orders to carry out the whims of the deranged commanders.
Ppl who don't like Seed don't appreciate the sheer weight of the story its telling.
I see the complaint about reused shots time and time again - what Gundam series prior to Seed didn't do that? Enough with that. Its as shallow a reason to dislike Seed as there is.
There's something this gets wrong. Gundam attracted a large female viewership since the beginning with 0079. Tomino himself has gone on record saying that the vast majority of Gundam fans when the original was airing were young women; they created the first fanzines for Gundam and visited the cast after recordings While male fans only really became the majority after the fact with the introduction of Gunpla and the compilation movies. Recent sunrise polling further backs this up, as large segments of Gundam's female fans in Japan very much skew older, old enough to have watched Universal Century shows when they were new. The original Gundam is NOT your typical action show, especially for something in the late 70's; it's focus on melodrama, character development, sympathtic villians, and willingness to kill off characters ("Who will survive" is even the tag line. ), and rather handsome and fabulous really make out the story to be a drama, even if it is a WAR drama. In terms of contemporary shows of it's time, it resemebles shoujo dramas like Rose of Versailes as much as it does a super robot show. Char, Amuro, and Garma are seen as heartthrobes just as much as any Seed, 00, or Wing pretty boy in the Japanese fandom. Char x Amuro and Char x Garma are some of the oldest ships/yaoi ships in the history of anime as far as "fujoshi" / yaoi culture is concerned. And the ancient douins that prove it aren't all that hard to find proof of. Seed is not special in this at all; it tried to recapture the original in so many ways. And the focus on drama and gaining a female fanbase was just another aspect of that. Like I understand thinking Seed or Wing was the first, but it comes from misunderstanding in being from the Western side of the fandom where you don't have the complete picture of Gundam's history. And that's true of me too, for certain, but a little digging can do wonders.
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Wow was this your first video?? I really like the overall quality and visual design!
Keep up the good work!!
Thank you for creating this video. It was very informative.
I really love gundam seed
Seed people liked or disliked. But even Seed fans didn't like destiny. I should know
I like Turn A aswell.
I like destiny
Until ep12 anyway, then they go batshit
Durandal 1st mistake is assasination, should've not done that
I really am looking forward to those remakes. Because I want to see how much runback stuff destiny will get. The guy and his orange GOUF among other things
Glad to see you back Sooin.
I love Seed/Seed Destiny.