Well Randy Rhoads did take some inspiration from EVH, that is true, tapping, tremolo picking.. But he also took from Uli Jon Roth and Blackmore, doesnt mean he learned everything just from 1 player. All great players build on the back of others, but no one in their right mind should ever say that Randy isn't absolutely unique.
Agreed. I think the reason Eddie's comments still get so much attention is because he said Randy took "everything" from him. Personally, I hear more like a 10% influence at most. Plus, they were totally different as musicians, which is what I tried to stress in the vid. 😎
Not really....he got nothing from Ed. He tried to ask him a question once about keeping his guitar in tune, but Ed was a bag about it and walked away. Randy was doing all of that stuff in Quiet Riot before van Halen was ever a known quantity. Randy was a fan of Leslie West, and took from Mick Ronson his look. But he did not really borrow from anyone else he was a teacher, he even said, if anything he was taking a little something from his own students. Randy was a game changer, no one sounded like him before nor after.
@@TalkLinkMusic-gd7fz the reason that gets so much attention is because Ed was being a bag, and apparently he was a bag to several people as multiple videos run on this, But he had some sort of jealousy issue with Randy, he even refused to set the record straight in the Rhoads doc, he made getting an interview impossible with his demands Andrew Klein talks about this. Ed had NO influence on randy, Randy was doing everything before van Halen was signed there are videos of him doing a lot of the things people think he borrowed from Ed in Quiet Riot videos. To say he was influenced is wrong.
This topic has been brought up by a lot of TH-cam creators, and I think you have a very good take on it. I was in high school when Van Halen really broke and then when Ozzy's first album came out. Randy was the first guitarist from the post-Van Halen school that got airplay and notoriety. His note choice was different that Eddie's, but the stylistic approach with two-handed tapping, long stretches with the left-hand, blazing runs up the neck and crazy harmonics came right from EVH. Prior to that, most rock guitarists came from the Clapton/Page school along with some more lesser known players. But RR was the clearly the first guy from the "Van Halen School." We loved them both and they each had their own thing going, but it was VERY obvious that RR spent a lot of time listening to EVH and likely teaching his student's Eddie's licks. Randy loved EVH's playing and said so in interviews. He also admitted to playing Eddie's licks in his solo. I was lucky to see both guys live in 1981 and they were both terrific.
No it did not come from Ed, there are videos of him playing that in Quiet Riot videos from 1975 even. Randy was not from the post Van Halen school. They sound nothing alike. Ed did not invent tapping, he did not invent any of the stuff he did. Terry Kilgore showed him a lot of it. Randy was doing a lot of that stuff before Ed and van Halen got signed. Randy said he liked everyone'sd playing from Blackmore to Young to Schenker to van Halen.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle I didn't say VH invented tapping. I read Van Halen rising. Randy admitted to loving VH and playing his licks. The interviews were published when RR was still alive.
@@flazjsg No one said you said it. I am making a point. Tapping was around before Ed, Randy was using before Ed was known for it. We have all read van Halen rising. Randy never admitted to loving van Halen, not once did he say he loved van Halen, what he said was in his spotlight solo, the kids prefer flash so he hated using licks people associate with Ed because Ed made them well known. the interview you are referring to he said nothing about him loving van Halen, he respected Ed and thought he was great. But that is the extent of it., People seem to misunderstand Randy's comment about using the licks Ed was known for, and Ed certainly misunderstood it.
Ed did not invent tapping....they are all influenced, But I think Randy was only influenced by ed in his popularity and impact on music and guitar playing not his techniques.
I think influence and copping a lick or technique are completely different. Randy did some tapping but he wasn’t ripping off EVH more of utilizing a tool that Eddie made popular.
As far as Rock guitar goes Rhoads listened to Leslie west, Alice Coopers guitarists, Mick Ronson, Ritchie Blackmore, Gary Moore, Michael Schenker, and Uli Jon Roth. Obviously he was influenced by others, but those were his main influences. Randy didn't take ANYTHING from Eddie's playing style except the two handed tapping and even then he composed lines that were WAY different than Ed ( like the tapping section that ends the solo in 'Flying high again' for ex.) Honestly, Ed and Randy were from two very distinct playing styles, Ed the improviser/jammer and Randy the structured composer type.
Randy was doing the two handed tapping in Quiet Riot before van Halen made it. Randy did tapping with the pick too, you did not see Ed do that. two all time great players did it differently but both changed the game. Ed wrote licks and songs, Randy wrote compositions.
Eddie was the number one guy in that scene. The bands knew of each other and Randy's band Quiet Riot opened up for van halen. To say he wasn't influenced by van halen is ridiculous. Why did these two guitars come out of exact same scene- Playing the same clubs? As a guitar teacher, Randy had to be showing his students van halen's licks, whether , he cared for him or not.
@flazjsg to say he was influenced, when he had played guitar longer Than Ed, is more absurd. See how it works, no one who followed that scene closely thinks Ed influenced Randy in any way. They sound nothing alike. They have different styles. And yes he was doing a lot of that stuff before van halen was signed. What dies teaching students Eddie van haken licks have to do with anything, he showed students many guys licks and songs.
Eddie never said he taught Randy. He said something to the effect of "Everything he did (meaning the tricks Eddie did) he learned from me." Randy had students who wanted to learn VH songs so Randy had to learn the songs in order to teach his students. There was a story about Eddie and DLR harassing Randy in a parking lot one night, but that's about the only time they were ever near each other. Eddie had an ego back then, which is too bad because had they gotten together to jam and recorded it, that would be the holy grail of rock music recordings.
Yes he did, in the 1982 Jas Obrecht interview after Randy Died. He said at least Randy was one guy who was honest saying everything he learned he learned from Ed. If someone learns that means someone was teaching. Do not take it literally,. It was a stupid thing for Ed to say makes him look like a Bag
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle I know. But the way it was implied by Ozzy was that Eddie got together with Randy and taught him. And that's what people think happened.
@@JoeR203 here is the issue with Ed's classless comments after Randy died, some of his fans may take it literally, others may infer he means Randy started doing things because of Ed.....but what Ed was doing was creating the narrative of here is another guy who did not do anything that I Had not already done, he flat out asks Jas if he thought Randy did anything Ed had not done. I felt Jas had a chance to go at Ed, there was a brief pause .,...then he just rolled over. He could have said well Randy sounds nothing like you, he also seems to be more focused on classical guitar and infusing jazz/classical with metal. Also at that time people did not know how Randy recorded his music, everyone thought it was like other guys who would just rip off 7 or 8 solos, listen to them and figure out the best parts of each and splice them together. Randy was seemingly very unique in his recording, would figure it out first, then record with few overdubs. He would alos then repeat it 1 or 2 more times to add thickness to the sound which people did for rhythm tracks but not really solo. He also was writing stuff underneath the solos that did not repeat the main riff of the song.
The too Greats did meet and Randy asked Eddie how he kept he guitar in tune and Eddid told him to F Off QR opened for VH one time also Randy really liked Eddie as he would go see VH
They are both great lead guitarist but they both have their own distinctive Style. It's a shame that they didn't get along, just think how cool it would have been to have them work together WOW.
they did not NOT get along, they did not interact with each other much, clearly Ed was keeping close tabs on Randy reading interviews but that Jas Obrecht interview Ed did was embarrassing to tell people Randy was honest about learning everything from Ed. Randy was a guitar teacher. It is insulting.
At the end of the day, both of these so called "wise men" are dead. Move on for crying out loud. Who the hell cares what these dead men thought of each other.
Every description you see here is misdirection. The real Edward Van Halen would have disappeared. Someone would have been impersonating him, ‘moved in on him’. The original Randy Rhoads would have disappeared. Someone would have been impersonating him. The first Edward and the first Randy were likely the same guy using a pen name. So, if you see someone stealing your act, you might tell him, ‘You are a poseur.’ It all depends. Someone might need a reminder. Might be that is the only thing going on.
nice.......I think Eddie is a little more than BB.who Could also say Randy was Beethoven, widely considered the great composer of all time....Randy's compositional skills were deep.
One big difference is that Ed's band made it on their own, while Randy never would have been signed in QR and needed Oz and Bob Daisley to make his ideas, shine. His QR stuff is garbage in comparison to the Oz stuff. By the same measure, Oz would have floundered without Randy and Bob, and most likely would be toast by now if not for them.
QR was signed first to a record deal, we do not know that QR never gets a U.S. deal with Randy.... Ozzy needed the combo of Bob and Randy, elite world class musicians
Enough with this nonsense . Rhoads worshipped Eddie according to Rudy Sarzo . What were Randy’s main influences? His influences were late-’60s, early-’70s English rock guitar players. He didn’t have any R&B influence or anything, so it’s totally English. And classical music because of his schooling. His mother had a lot to do with that, teaching him and influencing him with classical music. So by the time he got to England, he was not like a typical American guitar player who had had the influence of R&B music and country music, because he’d never played that. Were there any particular players he admired? Yeah, let me tell you who they were. He really admired Gary Moore and Eddie Van Halen. Those were the top two guys he really, really admired. -Rudy Sarzo-
Eddie wrote licks and songs, Randy wrote compositions and was classically influenced and took lessons while on the road for classical guitar, and was more learned in music theory. They had two different styles they influenced each other, to get better.
EVH was more old school- improvise let it rip. Randy paved the way for the 80s and 90s player that practice aka compose their guitar solos for weeks and triple track them. Very different schools of playing.
@flazjsg Ed wasn't improvised he recorded multiple takes and pieced together solos from multiple takes. Ed played songs the same way live most nights Randy didn't. Randy more dynamic live player......you know people were stunned to learn Randy recorded solos in typically one take assuming he pieced together solos like other LA guys according to Vito Bratta
So Randy did not dislike Ed, he in fact lauded him as great at that guitar clinic, and was complimentary of him. Now. Ed did disgrace himself with that horrible interview after Randy died with Jas Obrecht lying about Randy admitting he learned everything from Ed.
Randy probably didn't like Eddie because Eddie was an egomaniac and a drama queen.. Eddie had a way of boasting about himself while making it seem humble.. and he liked to gossip
he did not dislike Ed, they did not know each other really, they clearly knew of each other. But they did not hang out. Ed did come across like a bag in that horrible interview.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Eddie was full of himself, he had an extremely bloated ego, even though he'd tell people different. My statement is more to say.. I'm sure Randy wasn't gonna go out of his way to meet Eddie.
@@warthogA10All true. Ed van halen had a lot of issues. He lied all the time and seemed like a bit of a phony. Randy by all means was a much nicer person.
@@warthogA10 he certainly had a horrible moment during that interview. They were not friends, but Ed had more of an issue with Randy than the other way around. Randy always complimented Ed in interviews.
ya said no one who does not have their head up their ass Be an adult, If he sucks then Ed sucks and everyone else below him But you can write and play like he did right? Loser
Well Randy Rhoads did take some inspiration from EVH, that is true, tapping, tremolo picking.. But he also took from Uli Jon Roth and Blackmore, doesnt mean he learned everything just from 1 player. All great players build on the back of others, but no one in their right mind should ever say that Randy isn't absolutely unique.
Agreed. I think the reason Eddie's comments still get so much attention is because he said Randy took "everything" from him. Personally, I hear more like a 10% influence at most. Plus, they were totally different as musicians, which is what I tried to stress in the vid. 😎
Randy loved Bill Nelson. BN was not a bad influence
Well said
Not really....he got nothing from Ed. He tried to ask him a question once about keeping his guitar in tune, but Ed was a bag about it and walked away. Randy was doing all of that stuff in Quiet Riot before van Halen was ever a known quantity.
Randy was a fan of Leslie West, and took from Mick Ronson his look.
But he did not really borrow from anyone else he was a teacher, he even said, if anything he was taking a little something from his own students.
Randy was a game changer, no one sounded like him before nor after.
@@TalkLinkMusic-gd7fz the reason that gets so much attention is because Ed was being a bag, and apparently he was a bag to several people as multiple videos run on this, But he had some sort of jealousy issue with Randy, he even refused to set the record straight in the Rhoads doc, he made getting an interview impossible with his demands Andrew Klein talks about this.
Ed had NO influence on randy, Randy was doing everything before van Halen was signed there are videos of him doing a lot of the things people think he borrowed from Ed in Quiet Riot videos.
To say he was influenced is wrong.
This topic has been brought up by a lot of TH-cam creators, and I think you have a very good take on it.
I was in high school when Van Halen really broke and then when Ozzy's first album came out. Randy was the first guitarist from the post-Van Halen school that got airplay and notoriety. His note choice was different that Eddie's, but the stylistic approach with two-handed tapping, long stretches with the left-hand, blazing runs up the neck and crazy harmonics came right from EVH.
Prior to that, most rock guitarists came from the Clapton/Page school along with some more lesser known players. But RR was the clearly the first guy from the "Van Halen School." We loved them both and they each had their own thing going, but it was VERY obvious that RR spent a lot of time listening to EVH and likely teaching his student's Eddie's licks.
Randy loved EVH's playing and said so in interviews. He also admitted to playing Eddie's licks in his solo. I was lucky to see both guys live in 1981 and they were both terrific.
No it did not come from Ed, there are videos of him playing that in Quiet Riot videos from 1975 even. Randy was not from the post Van Halen school. They sound nothing alike. Ed did not invent tapping, he did not invent any of the stuff he did. Terry Kilgore showed him a lot of it.
Randy was doing a lot of that stuff before Ed and van Halen got signed. Randy said he liked everyone'sd playing from Blackmore to Young to Schenker to van Halen.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle I didn't say VH invented tapping. I read Van Halen rising. Randy admitted to loving VH and playing his licks. The interviews were published when RR was still alive.
@@flazjsg No one said you said it. I am making a point. Tapping was around before Ed, Randy was using before Ed was known for it. We have all read van Halen rising. Randy never admitted to loving van Halen, not once did he say he loved van Halen, what he said was in his spotlight solo, the kids prefer flash so he hated using licks people associate with Ed because Ed made them well known.
the interview you are referring to he said nothing about him loving van Halen, he respected Ed and thought he was great. But that is the extent of it.,
People seem to misunderstand Randy's comment about using the licks Ed was known for, and Ed certainly misunderstood it.
@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Orac He said eddie was great.
@@flazjsg he said a few people were great, does not mean he loved van Halen
Every guitarist has some influences from others.
Ed did not invent tapping....they are all influenced, But I think Randy was only influenced by ed in his popularity and impact on music and guitar playing not his techniques.
Now they're both gone so all that fueding for what? Lifes too short
I think influence and copping a lick or technique are completely different. Randy did some tapping but he wasn’t ripping off EVH more of utilizing a tool that Eddie made popular.
right, Ed did not invent tapping. Randy was doing that before Ed was even known, yes exactly Ed popularized it.
As far as Rock guitar goes Rhoads listened to Leslie west, Alice Coopers guitarists, Mick Ronson, Ritchie Blackmore, Gary Moore, Michael Schenker, and Uli Jon Roth. Obviously he was influenced by others, but those were his main influences. Randy didn't take ANYTHING from Eddie's playing style except the two handed tapping and even then he composed lines that were WAY different than Ed ( like the tapping section that ends the solo in 'Flying high again' for ex.)
Honestly, Ed and Randy were from two very distinct playing styles, Ed the improviser/jammer and Randy the structured composer type.
Randy was doing the two handed tapping in Quiet Riot before van Halen made it. Randy did tapping with the pick too, you did not see Ed do that.
two all time great players did it differently but both changed the game. Ed wrote licks and songs, Randy wrote compositions.
Eddie was the number one guy in that scene. The bands knew of each other and Randy's band Quiet Riot opened up for van halen. To say he wasn't influenced by van halen is ridiculous. Why did these two guitars come out of exact same scene- Playing the same clubs? As a guitar teacher, Randy had to be showing his students van halen's licks, whether , he cared for him or not.
@flazjsg to say he was influenced, when he had played guitar longer
Than Ed, is more absurd. See how it works, no one who followed that scene closely thinks Ed influenced Randy in any way. They sound nothing alike. They have different styles. And yes he was doing a lot of that stuff before van halen was signed.
What dies teaching students Eddie van haken licks have to do with anything, he showed students many guys licks and songs.
Eddie never said he taught Randy. He said something to the effect of "Everything he did (meaning the tricks Eddie did) he learned from me." Randy had students who wanted to learn VH songs so Randy had to learn the songs in order to teach his students. There was a story about Eddie and DLR harassing Randy in a parking lot one night, but that's about the only time they were ever near each other. Eddie had an ego back then, which is too bad because had they gotten together to jam and recorded it, that would be the holy grail of rock music recordings.
Yes he did, in the 1982 Jas Obrecht interview after Randy Died. He said at least Randy was one guy who was honest saying everything he learned he learned from Ed. If someone learns that means someone was teaching. Do not take it literally,. It was a stupid thing for Ed to say makes him look like a Bag
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle I know. But the way it was implied by Ozzy was that Eddie got together with Randy and taught him. And that's what people think happened.
@@JoeR203 here is the issue with Ed's classless comments after Randy died, some of his fans may take it literally, others may infer he means Randy started doing things because of Ed.....but what Ed was doing was creating the narrative of here is another guy who did not do anything that I Had not already done, he flat out asks Jas if he thought Randy did anything Ed had not done. I felt Jas had a chance to go at Ed, there was a brief pause .,...then he just rolled over.
He could have said well Randy sounds nothing like you, he also seems to be more focused on classical guitar and infusing jazz/classical with metal. Also at that time people did not know how Randy recorded his music, everyone thought it was like other guys who would just rip off 7 or 8 solos, listen to them and figure out the best parts of each and splice them together. Randy was seemingly very unique in his recording, would figure it out first, then record with few overdubs. He would alos then repeat it 1 or 2 more times to add thickness to the sound which people did for rhythm tracks but not really solo. He also was writing stuff underneath the solos that did not repeat the main riff of the song.
The too Greats did meet and Randy asked Eddie how he kept he guitar in tune and Eddid told him to F Off QR opened for VH one time also Randy really liked Eddie as he would go see VH
They are both great lead guitarist but they both have their own distinctive Style. It's a shame that they didn't get along, just think how cool it would have been to have them work together WOW.
they did not NOT get along, they did not interact with each other much, clearly Ed was keeping close tabs on Randy reading interviews but that Jas Obrecht interview Ed did was embarrassing to tell people Randy was honest about learning everything from Ed. Randy was a guitar teacher. It is insulting.
both top tier .. just depends on what personality you associate with i guess.
two elite A leaguers
Every quote I've read concerning Ed from Randy was always flattering, so I'm not buying the BS
Randy had no issue with Ed, Randy was classy,....and he always complimented people
No comparison. R.R.🤘💥💕
At the end of the day, both of these so called "wise men" are dead. Move on for crying out loud. Who the hell cares what these dead men thought of each other.
Every description you see here is misdirection. The real Edward Van Halen would have disappeared. Someone would have been impersonating him, ‘moved in on him’. The original Randy Rhoads would have disappeared. Someone would have been impersonating him. The first Edward and the first Randy were likely the same guy using a pen name. So, if you see someone stealing your act, you might tell him, ‘You are a poseur.’ It all depends. Someone might need a reminder. Might be that is the only thing going on.
What?
It amazes me how many TH-camrs find all the hate and dislike between musicians. They must want lots of comments and views. 🤣
this rivalry is played up....Ed was a bag about Randy for some reason, but it was not reciprocated
Eddie=BB king
Randy=mozart
nice.......I think Eddie is a little more than BB.who
Could also say Randy was Beethoven, widely considered the great composer of all time....Randy's compositional skills were deep.
One big difference is that Ed's band made it on their own, while Randy never would have been signed in QR and needed Oz and Bob Daisley to make his ideas, shine.
His QR stuff is garbage in comparison to the Oz stuff. By the same measure, Oz would have floundered without Randy and Bob, and most likely would be toast by now if not for them.
QR was signed first to a record deal, we do not know that QR never gets a U.S. deal with Randy....
Ozzy needed the combo of Bob and Randy, elite world class musicians
Randy was more of a classical guitarist and applied it to rock.
As great as Ed was he always sounded the same, Randy was more versatile
I don't care, I miss them both
two A all time A leaguers
Enough with this nonsense . Rhoads worshipped Eddie according to Rudy Sarzo .
What were Randy’s main influences?
His influences were late-’60s, early-’70s English rock guitar players. He didn’t have any R&B influence or anything, so it’s totally English. And classical music because of his schooling. His mother had a lot to do with that, teaching him and influencing him with classical music. So by the time he got to England, he was not like a typical American guitar player who had had the influence of R&B music and country music, because he’d never played that.
Were there any particular players he admired?
Yeah, let me tell you who they were. He really admired Gary Moore and Eddie Van Halen. Those were the top two guys he really, really admired.
-Rudy Sarzo-
No, Rudy never said he worshipped Ed he said he admired him, and that is Randy being classy as usual.
Eddie was great but he was aslo a dik. I think he let the cocaine and booze do a little too much talking at times.
Eddie wrote licks and songs, Randy wrote compositions and was classically influenced and took lessons while on the road for classical guitar, and was more learned in music theory.
They had two different styles they influenced each other, to get better.
EVH was more old school- improvise let it rip. Randy paved the way for the 80s and 90s player that practice aka compose their guitar solos for weeks and triple track them. Very different schools of playing.
@flazjsg Ed wasn't improvised he recorded multiple takes and pieced together solos from multiple takes.
Ed played songs the same way live most nights Randy didn't.
Randy more dynamic live player......you know people were stunned to learn Randy recorded solos in typically one take assuming he pieced together solos like other LA guys according to Vito Bratta
BS story
So Randy did not dislike Ed, he in fact lauded him as great at that guitar clinic, and was complimentary of him.
Now. Ed did disgrace himself with that horrible interview after Randy died with Jas Obrecht lying about Randy admitting he learned everything from Ed.
I prefer all of Ozzy’s guitarists over EVH, including Jake who literally looked like EVH lol
jake and Randy are awesome, I think Randy was the best Ozzy ever played with......Zakk is not on par with Ed
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle your right ZAKK he's BETTER
@@kerrydavidsadler980 that is not what I was implying, Zakk is the weakest of the 4, he's still awesome but he is not as creative.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle sorry but still disagree , but yes they are all great lead guitarist.
@@kerrydavidsadler980 you can disagree be a one percenter, most people would not make that assessment
Randy probably didn't like Eddie because Eddie was an egomaniac and a drama queen..
Eddie had a way of boasting about himself while making it seem humble..
and he liked to gossip
he did not dislike Ed, they did not know each other really, they clearly knew of each other. But they did not hang out. Ed did come across like a bag in that horrible interview.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Eddie was full of himself, he had an extremely bloated ego, even though he'd tell people different.
My statement is more to say.. I'm sure Randy wasn't gonna go out of his way to meet Eddie.
@@warthogA10All true. Ed van halen had a lot of issues. He lied all the time and seemed like a bit of a phony. Randy by all means was a much nicer person.
He liked putting people down too.
@@warthogA10 he certainly had a horrible moment during that interview. They were not friends, but Ed had more of an issue with Randy than the other way around. Randy always complimented Ed in interviews.
RR sucks
ya said no one who does not have their head up their ass
Be an adult, If he sucks then Ed sucks and everyone else below him
But you can write and play like he did right? Loser
Really? What do you base that on?
@@brianbell564 what does this insecure hack base it on? being uninformed and insecure