Top Thrill 2 Update - A HUGE MESS! ‼️
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- With Top Thrill 2 STILL DOWN, we are all wondering what is going on? Top Thrill 2 at Cedar Point has only been open 6 days out of the 53 that the park has been open for. So when will Top Thrill 2 re-open? I share my thoughts & predictions with you!
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Tbh, I'm starting to lean more towards it's done for the season.
Cedar Fair needs to get over their beef with Intamin. Back in the 2000's they were an unstoppable alliance and can be again.
Exactly. It's not the same Intamin as 15 years ago.
The people working for Zamperla were with intiman when they were less than reliable....Let that one sink in...Rob Decker is in charge of new attractions...we need to talk to him
They are unwilling to spend an extra dollar to have better quality/operations on rides. This is why they went with a semi unproven manufacturer for a redesign.
As someone who was lucky enough to ride this as a pass holder at the preview event, I hope it reopens this year. At this point I don’t think it will reopen until next year.
it's costing them money, same with RMC, people come to ride their Intamins and RMC GP and enthusiasts alike. They're mad at what continues to make them money.
Well they are merged with a company that works with intimin so
The GP literally does not care or know who’s building these coasters, most GP think the parks build them themselves. And 90% of the GP that shows up daily had no idea the coaster was closed before the day they showed up.
Most people who love Rollercoasters know who make the coaster and they do care and want to know these details.
@@johnmceleney1092 theme parks aren’t building for these enthusiasts as they’re not the ones keeping them in business. 🤦
@@boxeduphouses
U’d be surprised how many of the GP are enthusiastic
CP made it obvious to the GP who zamerpla is
@@johnmceleney1092 they aren’t GP then.
This is exactly what i was predicting
They would improve it a lot on paper but in reality it'd barely be open
agree, with the complications of the ride in general this is pretty much standard expectations if you understand the real work behind it.
It looks like maybe we have reached the limits of what they can make a coaster do with current technology. It appears a lot of these over 120mph coasters are tough on the wheels and trains and tears them or the launch mechanism apart after some runs
Exactly. They redid this whole ride. To supposedly "prevent another accident like what happened in 2021. Yet literally all they did was add a spike and removed the hydraulic launch. Yes I get it was unreliable. But they wasted all this money on a project that I honestly won't expect to open this year. As June we've heard no updates. They rarely test it now and it looks like that no one is even there to do research on it. At this point they should've just saved the money and relocated the queue for the ride and keep it as a hydraulic launch because at least it would only be down for a day or 2 instead of months like it is recently
This is a huge mess across the board for CP and Zamperla!!! What a shame cuz it started out so promising 😢 ! I just don't know anymore.
We visited Cedar Point this week all the way from The Netherlands and we were really disappointed about the park. Not only that TT2 wasn't open, we did Maverick just once because it was closed for almost 2 days. It was running like max 2 hours per day.
There were lots of issues with other coasters aswell.
So sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can come back again sometime. I hope you still enjoyed your trip.
Yeah their operations really suck compared to Kings Islands which is much better.
Yeah I was just there, Maverick was down way more than it usually is, there were a few issues with Gemini too
What sucks is that ever since they moved the CF corporate offices off the peninsula, the park has been going downhill. It makes me want to make the 4 hour drive to Kings Island more than I want to travel an hour and a half to get to CP. That sucks that Maverick went down for you. It's actually my favorite in the park. It's not a "better" coaster than Steel Vengeance, but Maverick is definitely my favorite.
@@Spike-sk7ql I mentioned something about moving corporate south as well.
CP is reimaging, Top Thrill 3😁
😂😂😂😂
In all honesty, They will bulldoze it before doing a 3rd.
Zamperla actually tried unlike RCCA.
Real.
That is true considering RCC made Son of Beast at Kings Island 3 hrs away from Cedar Point.
@@christianortiz793 RCCA was notorious for cutting corners and rushing builds and this was the reason why Son of Beast and the original Rattler had so many structural problems.
The Son of Beast construction was being so poorly done by RCA that Paramount who owned Kings Island at the time actually fired RCCA and built the rest theme selves and even sued them. Even though it was not a good idea for them to do it, at least they were more cautious even though what was already built was a mess.
Rattlers first drop was changed and fixed quite a few times in its life due to the fast speed of the train wearing out the track and structural supports.
None of RCCAs coasters that were built were any good. Only a few liked Son of Beast. The rest of their wooden coasters just were horendus and makes Dinns woodies look good.
@@tigerrocks503chase8 more people have died on Zamperla roller coasters than RCCA coasters.
@@brteller That’s just a coincidence as Zamperla makes safe rides unlike RCCA…well except for Time Warp at Canadas Wonderland as that thing is a torture device.
COME CEDAR POINT GIVE US A NEW UPDATE ! I think this no news is really gonna wind up being bad news in the end. And quit mentioning TT2 in your ads until it reopens !
Yes the last few weeks I’ve heard TT2 commercials and as soon as as this past Thursday!
those ads were paied for months ago not how it works they arent gona update you until they have info from zamplera
This is annoying me as well. At this point, this summer's season pass should be valid next year as well or start handing out refunds if the ride doesn't open.
@@restlessbohemian26why do you feel entitled for it to be valid again next year? Cedar Point is still open and you can ride all of the other available rides. Cedar Point does not issue refunds if a ride is down for mechanical reasons. Cedar Point, as a business, shouldn’t have to lose out on their money when they were promised a working ride by the manufacturer. The manufacturer is doing everything they can to fix it. It’s been reported almost every day that Zamperla has been there.
@@cps6290 I don't feel entitled in reality. Long story short -- just annoyed by CONSTANT advertising for a new ride that isn't open. Everyone knows it's all about the money, but you want the illusion the parks loves you as much as you might love it.
I am thinking sadly it's closed for the season. With no updates from Cedar Point.
I'd have to agree
It will be. In my opinion they're going to have to completely revamp the trains. Heck even make NEW ones.
They have had updates on their website saying it is still closed, however that is about it. I could see Cedar Fair or the new "Six Flags" probably not working with Zamperla that much anymore.
@@hallcameron814 did Cedar point just put an update on there page ?
Fingers crossed that it opens July 🤞
I’d honestly tell zamperla to work on the Lightning Trains and purchase a set of the new generation intamin ones. Honestly, as good as they feel on Velocicoaster Pantheon, and most recently the revamped ones for Skyrush have all done very well. I don’t know why they don’t get next gen intamin trains in the first place. I mean they would fit the track, don’t know if weight would damage the zamperla equipment on the intamin track, but I think as tried and tested as those are they’re a safer approach than utilizing trains that haven’t been on a coaster of this size.
They would have to replace the launch system because Intamin uses their own launch system called InDriveTec.
I don't think Intamin wants anything to do with this project unless it's a complete overhaul which would probably would mean their new track design which would support sturdier LSM integration.
If the wheel carriage is cracked then theyd have to go with thicker metal which would add weight which would need a more powerful launch. I think the whole aluminum train idea looks great on paper but in reality just not gonna stand the forces. I hope im wrong but i have a gut feeling that its not gonna be open for a long time
That’s what I posted in a comment weeks ago……that I think it was a mistake to go with aluminum trains instead of steel because of the height and speeds they go on this coaster !
Aluminum chassis would work ok, but I do think that the wheel bogies should have been steel. You can still carve them out of billet, but just use steel instead.
This is such a true statement and definitely shouldn’t have been aluminum. Probably going to have to replace every single train and not open it until next season which is what I predicted when the thing closed down. I hope I’m wrong because I want to get back there again this season to tackle the beast
@@anthonyharder1469 But..... the Beast is down at Kings Island...😅
@@Spike-sk7ql I meant top thrill 2 being that beast lol
What a mess...
Really hoping Zamperla can properly fix these issues for a potential 2024 re-opening.
Hoping it opens soon, but from the moment they mentioned re-engineering things I’ve been leaning towards it opening next year. Anything earlier than 2025 would be astonishing and awesome.
I rode it 3X the last day it ran. Heck the last few hours at that. It hurt me bad. Went over the top hat way too fast and when it hit the spiral I was out of my seat and it flung me over the side ( right side) really hard. I didn't pay attention to what trains I was on though Like, hard enough to wear I legitimately thought I broke my spine. I couldn't lift myself up back into the train until we got to the break run. It freaked me out to the point I was wiggling my fingers and toes before I got out of the train just to make sure.
Mind you, I'm at Cedar Point about every week, travel to ride coaster all over, & have ridden dragster since its opening day. Arms on every ride are up. No fear.
I'll never put my arms up on this again/ holding on .
Great video 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Yup, I needed a trip to the chiropractor after my first ride. The heartline being off really messed with it too
I don't think this is hurting Cedar Point that much. I was there on Thursday and waited over an hour to get on Steel Vengeance with my lightning lane pass. The park is still raking and money hand over fist.
Yes they are. And waiting AN HOUR IN THE "FAST LANE"????? They sure want that extra money from us, but then want to make you wait even though you probably paid close to $200 for the fast lane. I never wait more than like 3 trains down at Kings Island in their fast lanes. They also don't have those STUPID merge points like Vengeance and Millie do. Those NEED to be fixed for what they charge for fast lane! I get the all season, so it doesn't matter what they charge daily, but they still charge WAY too much to make you wait as long as they do. Even on Maverick, where the fast lane goes right up to the station! There's always a line that's at least 20 mins for fast lane.
Yet they're crying that they have to merge to be successful. Something fishy going on in Charlotte.
When did they change the Fast Lane for Steel Vengeance? In 2019, it went directly to the station. I'm glad I found out about this ahead of time as it may affect whether or not I purchase a wristband when I do go. Steel Vengeance is still their top draw for me. I'd ride TT2 just because it's there.
@@BlaqMambaX when they put the stupid free lockers in in 2021. Now it merges you into the regular line, about 30 mins before you get on the ride! I'm sorry, but for what they charge, all fast lanes should go straight to the station, and the fast lane line shouldn't be more than 15 mins max. CP charges up to $200 for fast lane plus on a weekend. Or $1,000 for all season. For that, it should definitely cut 90% of the line.
@@Spike-sk7ql I agree.
Im guessing it will be closed for the year
I agree !!
This is such an amazing Coaster. I hope it is open before the end of July. I think there is hope up until you see the trains being removed completely from the storage track.
I was at CP last Thursday, and they even blocked off the entrance and bleachers, and there was no one working on it. 🤦🏻 Funny how the merch store was open though. 😄
Yeah funny how they still have TT2 in their ads also ! Greedy !
Yeah, they keep rolling out new 420' lawn ornament merch, but do they have ANYTHING for Raptors 30th anniversary? What about Blue Streaks 60th anniversary??? .......... crickets.... Didn't their mama's ever teach them to NOT put all your eggs in one basket? It's sick that they have all this tt2 merch, but no anniversary merch for the other 2 rides. Millie turns 25 next year. Is anything gonna happen for that??? Probably not, because Tony Clark is bad for his job.
@@Spike-sk7qlI agree their merch selection sucks ! Quit with the TT2 ads till if and when it reopens CP. And Tony Clark needs to go !
The leading theory is that the cracks were caused by hunting oscillation (the trains shaking side to side at speed) people reported the transition from Zamperla track to Intamin track to be smooth. We will likely see a temporary solution for this season, if it opens this year at all, but getting new bogies down the line.
arent gonna reopen until thats 100 percent fixed which thats gonna require i bet new track and trains dont expect it to reopn until 2025 if ever
@NickyD if ever... such an idiotic post.
@@NickyD no way they replace the track, only the trains. itll def open again
Cedar Point cheaped out and is now paying the price. I cancelled my trip there this year and so did many others.
They should’ve just let intamin do it. I know they have a bad relationship but cedar fair should try and leave that all behind in my opinion and just get a fresh start with intamin
@@SRR475 Agreed
@@SRR475 they tried to fix it with intamin. They said it during coastermania. They had tried but nothing ever materialized.
@@NsamityI get it, intamins don’t have the best reliability but still
@@SRR475 Top thrill was certainly down a lot, but nothing like this.
No one got hurt “on it”. They never said “safety issues”. But yes from a GP point of view sure it’s a problem. And I really doubt they won’t dabble in this market again. I do agree that the issue is greater than we know or think.
Algebra, Geometry, Physics , Engineering, Design, Testing Manufacturing, Fabrication, Management . All coming together at once. That IS the problem. It will work great someday.
I think its done for the year. I think they discovered more problems than they first discovered.
I asked a construction worker about this and they said this: “Insiders informed us that this ride is going to end up to be problematic just like its predecessor, Top Thrill Dragster.” He then said that the ride is probably going to be torn down and be replaced with something special in the future. But he just speculated that from the information he got.
I think its done for the season as well
I think Cedar Point's silence on TT2 speaks volumes, and I can only speculate it's down for the year & they don't want to admit it.
@@PatrickRyan150 they don’t wanna make themselves look stupid for choosing Zamperla to turn top thrill dragster into top thrill Prius
@@PatrickRyan150I agree 100% !!!
Hopefully it reopens soon. I think Zamperla's next coasters could be good however, as they seem to have learned from this incident and TT2 seems amazing.
They may not get a chance to build another one. Flags/Fair owns most of the US market and other companies may not be willing to take that chance.
there done no parks will ask them after this and if this fails CP can easily sue them and make them go out of business ask togo how that worked out for them
My opinion is that they should have just left it the way it was and just fixed the safety issue that caused the lady's injury I liked the original just fine some things are better left the way they are
The original was so woefully inconsistent that it single handedly tanked Intamin's reputation for decades. Frankly they were going to refurb it regardless of if it threw brackets at guests or not.
Agreed, this makeover was pointless and an overall downgrade.
I wonder if CP has payed Zamperla in part or in full. I feel like they need performance based contracts like the NFL that would incentivise the manufacturer and penalize for down time.
Agree that this will help. But also with the roller coaster manufacturer competition being fierce. Even if you paid them in full up front. If they deliver a dud, it will hurt their rep and cause huge loss in future revenue. So they will have plenty of motivation to deliver. Also, with the companies merging, this will be even worse for them. Before they could have ducked Cedar Fair and sold to Six Flags, but now they get screwed by both if they can't fix it timely lol
Speaking of track I think the issue is around the switch track area. One of the videos shows the switch track lining up and the cylinder slides out and locks into main track. In the video when it does that shows a pretty good size gap and then shows the train zipping backwards over it. Im wondering if that gap is causing stress and tear on the wheel assembly considering its zipping over it at a 100+mph
It would have been smarter to build a 2nd equivalent Top Hat, to make it a full circuit coaster. I agree with you. I've thought from the announcement (heck, even from the rumors before that) that it's an odd decision to have a switch track right in the middle of where you're sending trains at high velocity forwards and back.😮
This ride ain't got nothing on steel curtain! Steel curtain is probably one of the most disappointing creations of roller coasters of all time
Yeah, and that sucks too, because the ride isn't bad. Hate when decent rides are crap for reliability.
Why isn’t he making fun of steel curtain?
@@coastermike120 good question. he's been roasting the hell out of Zamperla this whole time
@@coastermike120 Because kennywood only bought a roller coaster. One that has been riddled with problems from day one, but still. Cedar Point actually chose a company who has never been above 56 mph, and 150', to redo a 420',120 mph, PROTOTYPE coaster (OG Dragster was a prototype) with their never even been on any roller coaster track, not designed for those speeds, and forces probably, (they had to make changes to the lightning trains to run of tt2, and now they have to make even more) with their PROTOTYPE train! Just because a company hires people away from a different manufacturer, does NOT make that company intamin 2.0.
SC didnt nearly kill someone thats the diffarent
How does this coaster have so many problems? And yet the taller faster version Kingda Ka hasn’t had nearly as many issues as Top Thrill 1 or 2? 🤷🏽♂️🤔
This is especially disappointing because TT2 is so awesome. It’s considerably better than the original.
Will be there the 3rd week of August. Zamperla better not let me down. Haven't been in 4 years. Will be crushed if it is down for the season. The most frustrating thing is the lack of communication from Cedar Point.
Also, Raptor is 30 years old this year, Blue Streak is 60 years old. Is there ANYTHING from the park about those anniversaries???? Absolutely not. But they keep rolling out new merch for their 420' lawn ornament.
I added the all parks pass to my kings island gold pass this season, knowing we were going to go to cedar point this summer. Hotel room booked, and then top thrill gets shut down. Obviously very disappointing. Fortunately, I haven't been to cedar point in 17 years so there's a lot of other rides I'm looking forward to riding too. But I'm hoping they can get it back up and running by my trip July 9-10
Looks like this makeover was pointless, as they now have another maintenance nightmare. I know people will disagree with me too, but it's launches are also a fraction of the intensity and acceleration the original had so I see this as an overall downgrade. Case in point!
I’m starting to get scared for this coaster and them not saying anything is aggravating I got 5 rides on this as well and I think it’s easily the 3rd best coaster and solidifies cedar points ride lineup they need this ride back up asap
btw does top thrill 2 have a consistent front row line? i’ve never done a strata before and i really want to be in the front for my first ride
Tony Clark's silence on TT2 speaks volumes. I have no confidence that it will open this season.
He could only say what his bosses tell him he could
Guys, I have an idea. Let's get RMC involved and they'll remove the steel track and current launch system. Then they'll replace the track with wooden Topper Track and replace the launch system. Then they can market the coaster as the only wooden launch coaster on earth. I think this will help with the reliability. I just have a hunch but this idea SCREAMS winner.
I have a call coming in from Dolly at Dollywood :)
I’m going July 2nd and I’ll see if I can see any updates, I hope it opens this season
I heard they are very close to getting it going soon. It's expected to be up and running in July. I'm not worried about It's future. It was running great prior to the shutdown, and when they Iron out the issues, it will be fine.
Just curious, which sources?
Good I really sincerely hope that this is true because id love to ride on TT2 this year !!!! Cedar point really needs to update us they really do !!!!!
What is your source on this? And no the dippin dots guy doesn't count
Cedar Point is marketing evey penny, still in debt, and now another year of dissapointment. Each year gets worse. Roller coasters throughout the park are constantly broke. Food options are also dwindling. No Pinks, No Melt, No food trucks, No subway, gross hot dogs and cheap walking tacos. No food under sky ride, only 2 choices at Panda Express vs,3 choices in the past. Deep dish or french bread pizzas and smaller portions. Customers pay more and continually get less. No wonder the animals are trying to escap🤣e😂😂. TT2 was fun to ride but only a few of us may ever know. Oh yea, no fountains, sprayers, waterfall, or innertubes at Cedar Shores. Ahh memories of the past when CP was the best. Maybe Six Flags can make positive changes, but Im not holding my breathe. Fun, great park when they are staffed, have more food options, and keep rides working. We spend our money, CP should reward its patrons not dissappoint.
when i first went to cedar point back in 2000 (first year MF opened) it was a phenomenal park! I miss the old cedar point. Probably the best time to visit cedar point is like towards the middle and end of August. That's the time I go around and everything seems to operate well
It’s closed the rest of the season
I agree!!
Halfway into the video and nothing you said is an update. Stop the deceptive titles.
Oh Zamperla!!!! 😂😂😂
Shoulda gotten an Intamin...
But the thought that Zamperla may never build a major coaster again is kinda sad. I don't work for any manufacturer, but I know if I worked for Zamperla it would be pretty disappointing at the thought of giving up on innovation.
That's what I like about Intamin. You would think they would be bankrupt by now (probably not, but at least the US division closed) with all the problems they had in the 2000s. But no, they kept on pushing through and slowly made their way back into the U.S. I'm not sure about their relationship with SeaWorld right now, but it seems Universal is building tons of Intamin rides.
Anyways, I hope TT2 can be saved. Zamperla, Intamin, or anyone. It's a bummer that it closed so fast.
I have a weird feeling about this ride! I think they'll close it this season and redesign the trains and have it open up next year! my gut feeling is telling me that. something else is going through my mind as well....If they did get it back open this month or even next month. How long will it stay open for? what if something else happens! I feel like they should've just tore down the entire thing after the accident! Would've had a nice plot of land to use to create something amazing! I'm not crossing my fingers for TT2 and it's future
Will be incredibly disappointed if it's not open for my annual trip in mid August
I will disappointed if it's not reopened by August eaither. I'm going to Cedar point on August 27th 2024 and I'm hoping that I'm able to ride on TT2 by then ! I will be devastated and crushed as well if they don't reopen TT2 this year ! I really hope that they do reopen TT2 this year ! Id love to ride on it even if it's just 1 time !!
I’m so worried about TT2 because i already planned going to cedar point on July 20-28 and I’m worried if it not open while I’m here at cedar point
the construction company Adena was seen on site this past week. don't know what that means. as far as Zamperla never building another major coaster again, I highly doubt that. Antonio Zamperla loves coasters and he's the one who is behind building up the coaster division of the company. he's not going to just give up. I think the ride will open in July, hopefully by my birthday
many huge coasters are down for a extended time, this isnt anything unexpected. They really should just slap some of the newgen intamin trains on this though.
It's a new roller coaster model. People just need to be patient. If a roller coaster not being open is ruining your life, you need to reorganize your priorities
If i grant you patience because its new, will you grant me irritability for all the other maintenance issues with all the other coasters🤔🤣
Ehh as long as they get it right they can take the rest of the year. If it gets up and is reliable we will praise zamperla in 3 years
And I'm sure Intamin is like "Should've gone with us"
They should've torn the ride down completely and build something different on that plot of land.
Amazing that saving a few bucks always seems the decisions that small companies like this make. CP as a company has never been ready for prime time. The board and all involved needs to be removed. How can you try to save a buck and maybe get someone hurt?
😂😂 yeah large corporations never tried to save a buck. They’re so charitable
Huge opening failures include Ring Racer, Volcano: The Blast Coaster, & X. This ranks in there somewhere. I suspect that CP's General Manager was involved in most of the decisions about who to rebuild TTD and how it should be done. That person should be fired. They should probably go back to Intamin to build new trains.
Could it be that Zamperla underestimated the problem with the ride that was originally built by INTAMIN!?!
Im guessing the trains cant physically handle the speed and forces, i think they should get new trains, and you know who can give them new trains? Somebody else
Somebody else, like the manufacturer they SHOULD have let do it in the first place?
(Talking about Intamin)
@@Spike-sk7ql yep. I said the second that i heard Zamperla was doing the project that it would be a complete train wreck and would have a major breakdown within 3 weeks of opening. Well it lasted 1 weekend. I couldn’t have possibly been more right about it. I can confidently say, that it was the absolute stupidest decision Cedar Point has ever made in their history going with Zamperla. Not very often i can say. I was right, Cedar Point was wrong, Im smart, Cedar Point is stupid, but i most certainly can say that for TT2. Im so glad i went opening weekend and for passholder preview. I got 2 rides on it.
And people said give Zamperla a chance, and i was like absolutely not. They arent qualified for a project this size and its gonna be a complete disaster.
@@HockeyGUY66871 I was at media day, and passholder preview, and opening weekend. Got 20 laps on it. The ride, I actually like. I heard a lot of people complaining on how violent the 90° turn, and the twist are, but I mean... of course it's going to be. You're sitting like 3 or 4 feet higher off the track than you were riding TTD. Personally, I like it. I don't think they did a great job lining up the track and tophat though. There's a BIG jerk right about where they took the track off to get fitted for LSMs, and the tophat. I said the same things you were saying. I was vocal about it too. Every video on it, I was saying they should never have let zamperla near it, and that the only company that would be able to do it right would havebeen Intamin. If they can get it right, I have already eaten my words on how good it is. But here we are, with a major breakdown just 8 days after opening to the public. But somehow..... "InTaMiN RiDeS ArE So uNrELiAbLe"
It's not been a good scenario, but I would certainly take Ring Racer as biggest fumble in recent memory. That didn't get as much attention though, so I certainly wouldn't call it a hot take regarding Top Thrill 2. Kind of reminds me of Arrow and X. Obviously they had experience building coasters for decades, but that was huge undertaking for a prototype model.
Top Thrill 2 is a spectacular looking coaster, here’s hoping that Cedar Point and Zamperla could fix all the issues and open it before the end of July.🤞🏻
I honestly feel bad for Zamperla, you know the staff and CEO are stressing their minds out. If this does not open By August, Zamperla will be done for in the coaster market and I feel bad for Cedar Point because they are likely embarrassed and wish they demolished the original ride. Also If Zamperla allegedly hired some of Intamins staff doing their engineering why can’t they get this together better? Whatever trains they are using on Falcon Fury need to replicated by those engineers for this.
I was going to go to Cedar point this summer for top thrill 2, but i guess we will go to Kings Island if top thrill 2 isn’t open
Why💀 cedar point is better
Top Thrill 2 might have simply opened too soon. Either that or simply only run it without the silver train.
This is not good for business having your star attraction down probably for the rest of the year? Shame on your Cedar Point for taking the cheapest option!
Cedar Fair or the new "Six Flags" I could possibly see them not working with Zamperla any more.
You can't reengineer wheels in a matter of weeks even months. A wild guess is just fall for me.
Dp you thimk Tony clark knew this when he said "it wont be a summer long thing"?
@@Holy_Athletics yes he knew. He was trying to lessen the blow
What could have been so wrong with the wheels that it couldn't have waited until the end of the season for a redesign......the coaster seemed to be working just fine just wearing the wheels out a little faster than normal....
What a huge mess! I know it’s hampered so many people’s plans for the summer (including myself). If they need to close it down for the season and possibly have to “re-imagine” it for the offseason, then do it! Just let us know so we’re not out here making plans or, like me, kinda reserving a week for a second Cedar Point trip. I already visited there once this year and def am trying to get there again, just for TT2. But I also, have knocked out CP, KI, and Carowinds on Cedar Fair trail. Next up is Hershey in Aug, but I’m sure I’ll hit KY Kingdom and Holiday World before then. I have 98 credits as of now. I want my 100th to be Voyage. Originally wanted it to be TT2, but….
They didnt get injured on Dragster they got injured from Dragster. This is the worst buisiness decision and fumble in Theme Park history. INTAMIN is the only company that should be touching coasters like this. They are superior in Mega coaster trains. ex. Milli and TTD, trains were great.
Top thrill closed because a metal piece from the brake system broke off, not a wheel. As long as it opens this year, i'll be going. I'm just waiting for their update on the ride
This is what you get with the lowest bidder! It's not always the best practice to do the lowest bidder when the safety of the public is at stake. Profit over safety.....way to go CP.....but lets build more stores and food places because that's all that matters....just keep feeding the overweight citizens.
I think I commented on your channel (or someone else’s) and said that TT2 would not open for the rest of the season. I hate to say it, but I think I might be right.
I'm torn on this whole project - I know from the beginning you really didn't like Zamperla taking it on, at all. While I didn't agree with the sentiment that they weren't a good choice given they have ex-Intamin folks working for them and Intrasys was doing the launch, you were right on that ultimately they took on a project that was unfamiliar to them as a company and it showed. The one aspect of the ride that was solely created by them (outside of the free standing spike) being the lightning trains, were under-engineered.
I get why CP went with them as a business decision, and we don't know how sweetened the pot was for them to close the deal. But CP ultimately took a gamble that didn't pay off in year one.
But say Intamin did take it on and there were problems again let alone another accident. This was a new concept for this sized spike/ reverse launch even for Intamin after-all. Now CP looks REALLY bad for going back to the manufacturer that built an unreliable ride in the first place.
I hope for the park and all of us that it's up soon and this hiccup becomes a distant memory. I just think it might be unfair to completely write-off Zamperla as a company when year 1 coaster problems (especially with prototypes) are fairly common. TT2 is arguably the best ride in the park
Yeah, zamperla is.full of ex Intamin.employees...the employees that.worked there when their (intamin) rides were unreliable
Haha TT2 may be the biggest bust in coaster history 😂
I was there tonight (6/29) nothing going on and it looked like the silver train was the only one with wheels but it was difficult to see. I hate to be pessimistic but I'm thinking 2025. I was on the mid july bandwagon at the beginning but I would think there would be more activity and testing going on if they were that close to reopening. It is a great ride and I hope they get it figured out soon. I would like to see more updates from the park even if the update is that there is no update.
Keep in mind Top Thrill 2 is also adding insult to injury. Not only has it been closed all season but 6 days, the original was closed more than not all of my visits since 2003. This is one of the parks star attractions visually tore up a huge chunk of the park, destroyed the ambiance of the lagoons and central midway. When it isn't running it's a giant middle finger flipping you off and visible from everywhere in the park. Yes, it's a great park without his ride, but with it sitting there not in operation it does dampen your day. The experience feels incomplete. It's needed to help thin out the crowds which have become a major issue since the unfortunate and greedy installation of fast pass. Might be time to bulldoze it and build something worthwhile.
It could pull a ring racer (bc it was open for 6 days before it closed) and close for good at the end of the season
From an operational standpoint, Zamperla did an awesome job, they managed to put a new launch and extend the layout and it still operate better than TTD ever did. And is still an easy fix on Cedar Points side. If Zamperla can’t get the trains in order soon or at all, CP can easily get new trains through Intamin
Intamin trains are probably set up to use the Indrivetec LSMs. Zamperla went with the intrasys LSMs like Mack rides uses. Hence the blah first launch. I don't know if Intamin would want to modify their trains to accept the other LSMs.
I really hope that TT2 reopens soon this year in 2024 !!! I am trying to hold onto the hope on that but idk !!! I'm praying to God that TT2 reopens in July 2024 or in August of 2024 !!! I am going up to Cedar point on July 11th 2024 and again on August 27th 2024 !! I'm hoping to be able to ride on TT2 by then !!! I'm starting to worry !! I hope that it doesn't end up closing the rest of the year !!! That would really really suck and be a big huge disappointment it really would !! I hope that The next Update that Cedar point gives is a good update I really do !!
I’m going for my 18th birthday for the first time and even if tt2 isn’t open you think the other rides will do fine?
@@whittakerbs90 well Happy early 18th Birthday 🎈🎂🎈🎈 ! Ya I would hope the rest of the rides would be open hopefully !!! Depends on weather 🌡️ but usually they are !
Cedar fair is really the problem. They have been building basically prototypes or first of its kind attractions and expect it to be perfect. They did this with RMC, going big with Steve and testing new trains on Steve and TT. They also built the Railblazer, which was a prototype. You can say the same with every coaster by Intamin. And now getting zamperla to reimagine top trill 2 with a new ride design.
I honestly can’t see it opening this year now.
We renewed our season passes at the end of last year in anticipation of this. They're still hyping the ride even though who knows when/if it reopens. We haven't been to the park yet this year. Waiting for a class action like at Kennywood.
I wonder if the profile of the trains is too tall causing too much stress as they whip through the twist on the way down the top hat, I remember reviews saying the forces there were much more pronounced now. Maybe they need to make all new trains not just new parts 😬
Way out opinion: The merger may be holding up major money or liability factors. Funny how business affects operations. Tight lips are usually a result of legal concerns.
I need it to open. I've postponed my trip for a month already!
Postpone till next year I say.
Imagine there's also a problem with the wheel tolerances, since there were issues with shimmying when it opened. Those vibration loads would stress the bogies hard over thousands of cycles. Whatever happens, the good news is the Lightning trains will never need to travel that fast on another coaster. Highly doubt they'll go faster than 81 mph on the 70m (232 ft) Double Heart.
I'm thinking they didn't get the track perfectly aligned back up when they tied it back in to the top hat. I think that's got a lot to do with it. Because when it would do the shimmy/jerk, it was right about where the track was pulled out.
It’s likely a problem with the track. They might need to re-track the top hat in order to get the ride operating again without any issues. You mentioned that you felt a rattle when riding the coaster, so the track could be the reason.
One of my main concerns about the coaster was those aluminum trains and those Wheels. I know replacing those Wheels is going to get expensive over time. That's if those are the only issues
I was hoping to visit this spring not for this but for the other shorter lines while tt2 grabbed all the attention.
It’s still testing isn’t it? I know there were test trains running a few weeks back
It’s stopped recently. But hopefully we see some again soon.
@@Owenostling I saw it test at like 1:30AM after CoasterMania
@@JeremyCoasters no you didn’t
@@positivityandpeace3548 100% I did
@@positivityandpeace3548 I did and my friend has it on video from the same night.
Went to CP for 3 days last week. Road every coaster in the park but not TT2 . BUMMED!!!
Happy birthday!!! Got the friends don’t listen especially when the ends don’t connect that a baby ate the Tesla on the top thrill 2 for 6 days and a decade millennium watermelons were planted by millennium force by sundae ice cream and Craig and it got aten by a rock band 😫😫😫😫😫😢😢😢
Closed for the season buddy.
Yeah because someone ate the ride with a rock band and Tony Clark started boxing with the baby and it broke the ride
I believe the old track on the top hat is further compounding the problem. They need to replace all that and fix the trains and there may not be another rattle taking place on this ride again.
The track isn't the issue really. I think the problem was they didn't get it perfectly aligned when they reinstalled the track to the top hat. Also, that is all still the old intamin track. The only new track is the spike. During my rides, right about where the track was reinstalled is where the train would jerk really hard, and then go up the top hat. Also, the weight is further off the track now, so the 90° turn going up is pretty violent, and so us starting the 270° twist coming down. Then there's a jerk right before the brakes. Right about where they tied the track back in.
Hopefully they get it up and running before the end of the season. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they saw the issue and made the call to close it.
However, the whole reason I bought the passport add-on was to ride TT2. Now I’ve already got a couple CP visits in this summer and plan on more regardless if it’s running or not. It’s just a bummer I haven’t got a chance to ride yet 😩
I was at cedar point the first of june after riding all the coasters i feel like their rides need some tlc metanince because some of those rides are very rough i feel like they put more focus on showing off something new instead of giving proper care where its needed
I read the coaster/track is one company, and zamperla used their own, prototype trains for the coaster!!! They didnt mix, leading to wheel damage!
I rode it twice on May 6th, the blue and the black train , it was kinda of windy that day but the ride was smooth, compared to dragster 1.0, but I'm thinking that the trains can't handle the Reverse launch up the spike, and it could be a possibility that the spike element might be eliminated, but they would have to move the launch area further back to get a direct LSM launch in Forward to get enough speed to clear the top hat , I hope I'm wrong because this is a badass ride, #2 worst case closed for rest of the season and all new trains for next season, again I hope I'm wrong and maybe they are just waiting for new fabrication of the modified wheel assemblies, the steel plates that were welded in, and then tested a few weeks ago
I’d never ride it if they did that
Six Flags Dropped the Ball on this. They Made the Decision on Which Manufacturer to go with. 😮
This is completely ridiculous!! They had been testing the damn thing since DECEMBER and couldn’t find the issue?? Absolutely unacceptable. Cedar fair I’m sorry but they are so stupid for going with a company that hadn’t proven themselves whatsoever
Their argument will probably be 🤓 wild mouse was good 🤓
CP's goal was to minimize maintenance costs, and Zamperla offered a weld-free train that would deliver on that. They had also hired several Intamin engineers, so they were confident in their technical skills to modify the first strata coaster.
Also, Cedar Fair had been working extensively with Intamin to overhaul Xcelerator, had no interest in adding other new attractions from them, and was wary of taking on additional projects with them.
Working with Intamin on TT2 would probably have been smarter as an individual project. But CP already has to deal with a lot of downtime from another Intamin launched coaster in Maverick. Switching to another manufacturer who routinely provides the chain with new flat rides likely made more business sense.
@@brianfoss571 how's that working out for them now? Just because zamperla hired ex Intamin engineers, does NOT make zamperla intamin 2.0 or something. Bottom line is zamperlas tallest coaster is somewhere around 150'. Fastest was 56 mph. You DONT hand them the keys to a 420', 120 mph coaster, with a PROTOTYPE train, and think it's a good idea. Heads should actually roll for this if it ends up down all year. Hell... they would already be rolling if I was in charge. Intamin should have been brought in to fix their own prototype. They have a better record now than when they were doing that crazy stuff like ttd, and ka. New gen intamin trains would have rode a LOT better, Intamin would have lined the track that was removed a LOT better, so there wouldn't be that jerkyness where the track was reinstalled to the top hat. And honestly, Intamin could have provided a better "rollback" with their use of the Indrivetec LSMs. Alas, we have the intrasys like Mack uses. Meh.
@@brianfoss571
The only comment among the thoosies that actually presents factual info mixed with the business side of it. For everyone to assume that Intamin would fix their 19 year mistake on Dragster, or that any of the other manufacturers (who also have never built anything this high) would have done better is pure ignorance.
@@texasbbq3191 Yeah, Intamin was probably trying to sell CP on an airtime launch like Pantheon's when they really just wanted the bare minimum. Either way, if Zamperla is building the multi-launch coaster for CaWo, it won't be going nearly as fast. So it should run just fine.
I feel the main problem supposedly is carts you need a train that can take a lot of stress for 3 launches straight