All-American Triple Loop Review, Indiana Beach Schwarzkopf Looper | How Does it Compare to Quimera?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- All-American Triple Loop is the new-for-2024 roller coaster at Indiana Beach. This is a Schwarzkopf multi-looper that previously operated in Germany as Dreier Looping, Malaysia as Triple Loop Coaster, England as Magnum Force, and Mexico as Quimera. This is an intense and forceful ride that looks great on Indiana Beach's skyline. This video talks about the current ride experience and compares how it ran as Quimera.
Video Credits
Bullet (CoasterDash)- • Going to Mexico and At...
Magnum Force (Sean Flaharty)- • Magnum Force (Quimera)...
Mindbender (CivilianSatellite)- • Mindbender Offride POV...
Mindbender (Theo T)- • Roller coaster Pt 2 bo...
Olympia Looping Off-Ride (The Red Coaster Channel)- • BHS Olympia Looping (B...
Quimera Off-Ride (Savage Coasters)- • Quimera - La Feria de ...
Triple Loop Lift Sound (ElToroRyan)- • We Rode America's Most...
Triple Loop POV, Back (Southside Thrills)- • All American Triple Lo...
Triple Loop POV, Front (Indiana Beach)
Background Music
Sport Racing Rock by Infraction [No Copyright Music] Rock And Ride- • Sport Racing Rock by I...
Thanks for using my pov, hope you enjoyed listening to my suffering 😭
Hey I know that guy
@@WasowskiSings Hey i know this guy
Your POV showed the lats perfectly.
Pat reference?!?
@@moonwillow_6180 kind of crazy how I met that guy 2 days after he filmed that video
Most of the general public knows nothing about “riding defensively”. They will just see it as a painful ride and will tell others.
I hope the park will do what they can to remedy Looper’s issues. And I’m sure they are very thankful to the coaster community for giving them early feedback
A fix to the upper body restraints would help mightily.
You nailed it
Northern Indiana native here. I’m so glad the coaster community enjoys my home park of 25 years. That place was my absolute favorite thing about living in Indiana. It’s crazy to me that they now own an awesome looping coaster, and a Schwarzkopf no less.
Also I’m glad that you enjoy Cornball that much. I think it’s an incredibly underrated coaater
Cornball is fantastic with those buzz bars.
The accordion restraint is the oddest shoulder restraint Ive ever seen in my life 😂
It's not ideal.
On my second ride on this, I figured it would be necessary to put the accordion as low as possible. Unfortunately, this crushed my upper back so badly that it hurt for two weeks afterward. Lesson learned: I won’t be riding this until they remove those accordions. Even if I rode it “incorrectly,” it’s not worth the risk to go through 3 awesome loops and an unbelievably boring rest of the ride.
Ouch! Hopefully they can find better restraints.
Perfect timing! I'm heading to the park for the first time next weekend
Enjoy!
awesome vid! ❤
Thanks!
Given all the negative comments here, the park will have to do something to fix the problem, if it's not too late to reverse the bad reviews it's getting. As for riding "defensively", it's a ridiculous necessity to ask of most riders--this is an amusement park ride, not a military training device.
I hope they take action to make it more comfortable.
Step 1: lose the shoulder restrains.
Step 2: Get a complete actual train. Three lead cars strung together looks silly. Always has.
Thanks for the tips it should make my next ride a lot better
Hope they help!
Quimera looked insanely fast. it looked as if it ran like a prototype raptor with the speedy layout while triple loop looks as if it runs like jersey devil’s last hills after the mid course lol
Yeah it ran comically fast.
Excellent review as always your my favorite review-er.We should all be thankful the this iconic rollercoaster was saved and stop complaining like little babies. Thankyou so much IB
I hope Gene hears about the complaints and does something about the head banging. I’ve not ridden it but it’s a classic Schwarzkopf and should be taken care of tremendously and made the best it can possibly be.
I hope they can rework the restraints.
Petition to put gerstlauer trains on all european triple whiplash
I wish.
The park I’m pretty sure bought all of mindbender’s trains, I could see them in storage behind the log flume in my 2023 visit
Ok awesome!
Definitely a niche market for new Schwarzkoph trains that I hope finds a way to make new versions for these old classics. I got to finally ride one at Lagoon, and those classic long trains really keep the speed on the second half of colossus.
Well Gerstlauer makes some every once in a while. Given that Gerstlauer is founded by former Schwarzkopf employees, it makes sense they're the go to for parts and refurbishments of these old rides. It's not that many years ago that Alpina Bahn in Germany got new trains by Gerstlauer.
I hope they can rework the trains/restraints to make it more enjoyable.
I think they are going to have to do something about the rode, even the local and a ride op were warning me not to ride it, thats not a good sign and it was definitely the roughest coaster ive ever ridden, was worried i was going to seriously hurt my neck if i got back on so i didnt give it a second chance
I hope they do something to make it more rideable.
That coaster looks fking awesome what a great add to that skyline
It looks great. I just hope the trains can be improved.
Minor correction: On the German fairs, the coaster actually had 6 car, 24 rider trains. As with Olympia Looping, however, it may not have used the full length trains at every fair.
Thanks for the correction. That thing must have flown with 6 cars!
“Its a one and done for me” proceeds to ride every row😆
Quimera was due to the intensity. I could ride Triple Loop over and over.
One and done for each row is a legitimate use of the term.
There’s nothing more for me to say that I haven’t already said about this coaster. It doesn’t seem real, but it is, and it’s awesome.
I'm glad it was saved.
Little bit of physics student thinking here, but I reckon the altitude also helped Quimera run dangerously fast. With the high elevation of Mexico City, the lower air density would reduce the drag coefficient on the trains significantly, allowing the train to loose less speed. The trim brakes would also do a lot to help the speed as well.
Maybe. I've never heard anyone cite that as a reason why coasters run faster, but that would make sense.
I was there Thursday and rode it 8 times. A few rides it was fine others I was getting beat up especially in last seat. Makes since it was different due to height of restraint. I had to lock my arms and hold on while trying to lock body in place - they need differen harnesses. Couldn't they just use simular ones like they use in race cars. I am a fanboy of oldschool inversion coasters so I kept riding it. That first drop is crazy though - I had to go on the other coasters then come back after the 1st ride - my brain wasn't ready for it. (laughs). I thought it was an intense coaster. You feel the G's especally on first drop. You can ask to wait to get 1st seat I would let others through. Crazy seeing how much the loops swayed on the Mexican version and how it never slowed down. It was only a matter of time.
There are at least two trains at IB. In early testing videos you can see another seemingly refurbished/same paint scheme 3-car train on the transfer track.
Thanks for confirming that! Glad they bought at least one more.
15:01 It Sounds Quite Beautiful. Loud Yes , But Still Beautiful.
Defenitly Up There With The Arrow Lift Sound.
I like the sound.
I just rode this today! I thought it was ok! Definitely shaky at some points but I just tensed up my shoulders and neck on the turns. 😅 my favorite part was definitely the loops
Stiffening up is the way to go.
Loopy, looks fun.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
It is if you ride properly.
I know IB has at least one other train from Galaxyland. They had 2 trains on the track after the 2023 season for testing.
As an airplane lover, the beginning of the coaster with the noise is awesome.
I have seen many videos for this one and the only coaster more panned is Top Thrill 2 because of its failure to be a coaster in 2024.
I like this ride, but I get why people could hate it.
I adore how ironic the name is, it's such an American thing to do
It's comical.
After hearing all the negative reviews, I replaced Indiana Beach with Holiday World for my upcoming trip, even though I know Holiday World draws insane attendance and has huge lines. I've had great, full experiences at Indiana Beach in the past, so I don't need to go again so soon if I would be skipping this ride. Your technique could work for me, but I don't think I would risk it. I think that I would enjoy Good Gravy far more no matter what, and I haven't been to Holiday World in 3 years.
I've never had to deal with bad waits on the dry side at Holiday World minus Holiwood Nights 2020. Most lines are at the water park.
I was surprise when you said the shoulder restraints would stay in the same position once locked. That was not my experience on Thriller (Texas Tornado.) I had to brace myself with my back flat against the seat or else the shoulder restraints would lower further and further forcing me to slouch. That was with the trains it came with. It was supposed to get new trains with slightly different shoulder restraints, but from I heard they lasted less than a day before they were deemed unusable. And I was not at the park that day.
I was surprised they didn't lower on their own. Had to ask the ops nicely to staple me hard for the best ride.
@@CanobieCoaster On Thriller if you braced yourself, you could keep it from lowering. If you slouched even just a little bit, it was game over. You could not push it back up during the ride.
I rode it a little under two weeks ago. We have a similar technique in riding it so we have a similar opinion about it. It is the third best ride at IB for me behind Cornball and lost coaster. I did stick to rows 1,3,&5. I have ridden better Schwarzkopf’s. It would have been interesting to experience it in the form you described.
Unfortunately Cornball was closed in this visit, but I agree it's still their best ride.
You should do a video on successful defensive riding. You could share your advice on riding rides like traditional B&M standup coasters, the Zamperla Volares, this one and other rides you've figured out how to ride comfortably.
I know that's not your typical video type but it would be cool.
I plan to release one for this ride later today for those who don't have time to watch the full review.
@@CanobieCoaster that's cool. I still think a combination video would be both helpful and entertaining. But I get that it's not your typical MO.
Will you get around to dorney soon so you can ride iron menace and review it?
I'm not sure when, but it will be later this year.
iv been reading the comments and most of the people here absolutely despises this ride lmfao
perfect case of “die a hero or live lone enough to become a villain”
Unfortunately that seems to be common.
I was on it yesterday and got a zen ride and five more rides besides my shouldiers being brudsied it's fun
At least your neck is fine.
I made my first trip there a couple weeks ago and rode it once in the front and once in the back and that was enough for me. I didn't know about the whole pushing the shoulder restraints down thing at the time, but even if I did, the ride just isn't good enough in it's current form to put myself through that. Virtually none of their guests will want to ride this more than once unless they do something about it.
I hope they modify the restraints.
I rode Quimera a couple of months before the accident in D.F., and the forces on it were insane. I remember that at that time, the ride staff made sure to balance the rider pairs on each cart based on perceived rider weight. It was weird. They split up different couples to ride together as well. So weird. I also remember how that there was some sketchy homemade belt restraints that both riders had to share side-by-side. I was genuinely scared after the ride because of the sketchy practices. There was little to no line - a complete walk-on.
The forces were insane.
I really wish Mindbender could stay open. Now I’ll probably never make it to the WE mall. Hopefully there’s some chance they could save it and it can Reopen
I wish it were saved, but I think it was scrapped.
Canobie Coaster, did you find this ride painful or tolerable with the accordion restraints? What do you think?
Fine for me with my method.
I'm kicking myself for putting off Indiana Beach until this opens only for Indiana Beach to now not be accessible to me having moved west 😂😂😂. As for the restraints, they were necessary on Mindbender because of clearance issues in that helix surrounded by a circular mirror (which was the fault of Galexyland, not Schwarchkofp), but it was still one of the coasters to get me into coasters (still the best decision I've ever made to be a big girl that day). While I'm glad part of it lives on it's sad that it's only the worst part of the coaster to live on, hopefully they can remove the accordians and put something akin to comfort collars on the same train (if it can't run without something over the shoulder).
So could people hit the mirror before the pads were added?
@@CanobieCoaster Don't know that for a fact but I know from pictures I've seen that clearance was tight. When I was there I saw someone get turned away for being too tall and I remember reading an article about those clearances a few weeks later and it suddenly clicking why the accordians were there and why that person got turned away. I can't find the article because it's gets barried by articles about the removal and the trains being sent to triple loop.
Indiana beach did buy at least 2 of the mindbender trains. Indiana beach put a put a pov of this ride during testing and it was a white train. The red train was on the transfer track. But now it’s only the red train, unsure what happened to the white train but they gotta ditch those trains
Thanks for confirming.
@@CanobieCoaster th-cam.com/video/P_Cp8hCXoqU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6i49zRXcNTUI7oXw
So basically, they may have the current largest collection of Schwarzkopf lead cars of any park.
It’s still a good ride just not as smooth as most coasters, also I found that the second half was significantly better in the front car. You get way better laterals in the front on those rising turns.
I think the tracking is smooth. Those lats can just be painful given the restraints.
My claim to fame was experiencing the rollback
Everyone must have been quite shocked.
I love this ride. For-sure get rid of those shoulder restraints. But i am not sure its fair to compare it to its Mexican implementation as it was never supposed to run in that manner. Disabling the trims until it tore itself apart isnt the ride running as intended.
I think they should remove the shoulder harnesses, and possibly retrack it and add one more car to the trains. Maybe new trains will also help.
Removing the accordions would help with the comfort issue.
I keep wishing I was there so I could study the track and check for misalignments of the track segments.
Is it just me, or does it feel like all the good Schwarzkopf are starting to disappear? I am not talking about this one, of course, but I am pointing out that we should be lucky to still have it considering how over the last decade we lost Greezed Lightnin' at Kentucky Kingdom, Mindbender at Galaxyland, Jetline at Grona Lund, and Tsunami in Mexico.
It doesn't help the manufacturer is out of business.
@@CanobieCoaster I thought I saw an IAAPA video where Anton's son talked about how he was taking over or restarting Schwarzkopf and that they are developing an updated Wildcat model?
@@gregorymoore2877that’s with premier
The new great American scream machine
Yes. The Great American Screamin' Eagle Machine.
Fair!
15:00 I still think bobbejaanland's Revolution had this sound better. It used epic ABB Stromberg VF drives to produce a sound equivalent to modern metro trains
Oh cool!
Haven't been on this yet but the accordions on Olympia Looping are a big problem. And for a coaster that only pulls negative G's, completely unneccesary. Sadly, the odds of Rudolf Barth buying new trains are much lower than the odds of Gene Staples buying new trains.
I think these ones are slightly different from Olympia Looping. If I remember correctly, Olympia Looping's could lower during the ride whereas these ones lock.
Looks like a decent enough coaster, but I am scared that all those setbacks caused huge financial issues for the park, considering it’s been struggling post-pandemic.
I imagine they got a good deal on the ride. It's unclear how much the whole project cost.
This ride sounds as uncomfortable as Iron Claw and The Bandit at Movie Park in Germany
If ridden incorrectly, it could.
I understand the trimming which Mexico didn't do, but I don't understand making it a 3 car train instead of 4. I don't see the point tbh.
Indiana Beach bought the Mindbender trains as-is, so I get why Triple Loop's are 3 cars. The question is why Mindbender reduced its trains from 4 to 3 after its accident.
@@CanobieCoaster Gotcha
The issue with this ride is staffing not enough people trained to do ride
Ah ok, so it's staffing. Thanks.
There have been a lot of horrible reviews regarding this coaster since opening day. The reason is likely due to the coaster was made for trains that it originally had with with lap bars. IB picked up the trains from Mindbender at West Edmonton Mall that had over the shoulder restraints. The trains do not run well on this and the roughness it has, causes a lot of painful neck banging.
I hope they adjust the upper body restraints.
The ops telling us to sit on the extra length of seatbelt so it didnt get caught in the brakes and then noticing that my side of the train was missing several bolts definitely did not make this feel like a safe experience.
Oh my!
By "bolts" I'm guessing you don't mean lightning bolts there are supposed to be painted on the side of the train but weren't? Did you bring it to the attention of the ride op? It's a good thing I was not the op. I would have really wanted to tell you some story about we got done building it and had some parts left over and weren't sure where they went. Just to get your reaction.
I dont understand why gene didn't buy the entire coaster. It had tons of parts he could have used to keep this coaster going. The lift would have fit, track pieces like the loops could have been used. Brake components could have been used. Why was it scrapped. It makes no sense
Mindbender? I'm surprised no one bought it.
They could of made it a 6 loop coaster.... :) and would of been carrying people off I am sure (laughs)
Quimera was plain and simply unsafe. It was ran to its limit, and then it broke and people died. This new version is at least safe.
I agree. It's safe. They could modify the shoulder restraints and still keep the ride safe.
I couldn't stand this ride. I even tried it twice, once each in the front and back rows. I thought that if I craned my neck forward I would avoid the neck banging, kind of like Rougarou. I was sorely mistaken. I have never bashed my head so hard or so many times on a ride. Immediate bottom credit. 155/155 currently. I have considered saying never again. I may take your advice though. I could not appreciate the forces it offered.
damn bottom credit?
Yeah leaning forwards is a bad idea given how much translation your neck will have on the transitions.
That’s a shame what happened to this coaster
It's tragic what happened in Mexico. I'm glad the ride was saved, but it's unfortunate it runs a bit slower now.
Without knowing the riding method, this is my new worst coaster. The bottom of the drops felt like getting punched in the face 3 times. So sad for a Schwarzkopf
I can see how this would be brutal if you went in blind.
Calling it "All American" is ironically false, it essentially a fresh on land immigrant still waiting for it's green card.
It's an interesting naming choice.
This is a one and done sadly….Olympia looping is wayyyyyy better
I personally couldn’t enjoy this coaster, the restraints and poor profiling made it an absolute test of endurance, and it absolutely beat me up
I hope they can find a way to make it more bearable for others.
bad ride
If ridden incorrectly.