Actually, no. If the company bumped the GWI to 40% with bulk for first year and add more than $10 to the pension multiplier for existing eligible employees to say $20-25. A slight better touch on medical and prescription benefits and production will fire back up. Guaranteed. The best thing Ortberg can do outside of this is start house cleaning in the management tree that led to this extreme bitterness between hourly and leadership. There was a time when ppl were proud to work there. Now, with the way it’s run, ppl don’t even want you to mention they work there. Make a very attractive workers compensation package that will draw experience and talent again to apply. Then you won’t have to do lowly job fairs scraping the bottom of the barrel of desperate workers.
I've had managers tell engineering how to tell ME and my team how to FIX THE JET even though managers had no clue as to what was going on. We would have spent an additional week in the fuel tank had I listened to them. I asked one other teammate to work with me and troubleshoot the issue and found out it was electrical; two swapped wires on a connector that the factory had recently rebuilt. I intended to withhold this information from the manager who pushed the work order through to the shop, but he walked in as I was informing my team lead about what we found. I called him out on his B.S. and he just walked out of the room to tell his managers what was going on. Management is clueless and lacks respect for Union members.
Something which needs to be pointed out is that Boeing engineers who design the planes belong to a different union than the blue collar workers. Boeing engineers are not on strike.
@@anonymous5066 After this strike, there will be layoffs for IAM too. Some of these newbies are gone too. Including my 2 kids I fear. But they still live at home, so they'll be okay.
I'm a union member and I believe the machinists in puget sound are being unreasonable at this point. Even though it's gonna affect me I almost want them to suffer for being so **** greedy. I wouldn't sit down with these idiots until next year.
If you can not figure out how to fund the pension try some or all of these things. 1. fix the COLA to regionally calculated 2. 20% GWI day one then 8,7,5 3. 8% automatic 401k contribution 4. 8% 100% 401k match 5. 4% Christmas bonus in November not a ampp in February 6. Increase Paid time off by 25% 7. 1 LWOP every 30 days 8. Increase college program to 100% of top 10 Boeing desired degrees. 9. Increase 401k choice to 20 different index funds. 10. 15K cash only signing bonus. 11. Have all the things be applied to all overtime hrs.
They need to up the pension multiplier because many of the old timers with pension grievances won't have years left before retirement to reap a lot of those rewards. But I agree with a higher up front wage..12% doesn't sound very appealing. And yes a larger signing bonus to make up for lost wages.
What's that brilliant guys name? Jack W... sumthin' or other. Some great proteges with the last couple CEOs at the B. And of course the McDonnell Douglas take over.
The IAM members do not realize that they are actually angry at the Union and their fellow members not just the company. The union negotiated with the company and Agreed to let the pension go to a vote by members. The members voted it out. If you have worked there less than 10 years you accepted the job that had no pension. Employees with over 10 years was part of the vote back then and Your Union Brothers and Sisters voted the pension out. Just a true Fact:
This all happened under Obama administration and the Governor of Wa Troy Inslee I don’t hear nothing about him right now why nobody mention this??????????😂😂😂😂
@@loke5713 heres some free advice for everyone reading this. Youll be much happier in life if you dont compare yourself with people you know absolutely nothing about.
you are dreaming...in two month, you have lost about $12,500 in lost wages...how are you paying for health/auto/house insurance, mortgage, electric/water, food etc???...good luck...
Boeing insurance is so much cheaper that most jobs offer. Some people pay $120 a week out of pocket for family health insurance. Boeing employees cost is a quarter of that.
They can't really do much more on medical, due to the Obamacare rules and regulations about the kind of care. Boeing insurance is not that bad. 2 or 3 hours of OT and it's covered.
@@sherrcon The last month before the strike, I worked a fu*ck ton of OT. I'm using the last of my 2 checks to pay all bills for November, including mortgage. Not wanting to dip into my savings for December. I was hoping this last one passed so we could get back to work. Hopefully we'll get another offering with the 40% and a higher signing bonus.
@@million8739 you are welcome to apply for a management job if you wish so you can make the mega millions, like Ortberg too. In fact, why didn’t you apply for Ortberg’s job when you had the chance?
People building planes should be paid well… makes the job harder to get so you can get better employees. You get what you pay for. Also Washington state is really expensive we’re not trying to get rich, just trying to raise are families. Other trades in the state make 20-30 dollars an hour more than us. We can make up for it with Ot but working 7 days a week gets old. Also the plane I work on cost 400 million dollars Boeing can do better
@@kelseyfuboyd Boeing hasn’t made a profit since 2018, they are running on credit. If $150,000.00 is not enough to build airplanes how much is? I was a flight instructor and charter pilot for 40, years. I have never made that much money per year in my life.
Boeing being disconnected. If they had just offered 40% and more time off it would have passed. The company keeps ignoring important asks. They also drug their feet for a month when they should have been at the table negotiating
How much more time do you need off? We start out with a minimum of 2 weeks of vacation, 40 hours of sick leave and 11 holidays. That's 208 hours or 26 days off. The vacation can be even more when you work overtime. Then you get an extra 1 hour of sick leave every 40 weeks after 1600 hours worked. This doesn't include your 1 LWOP every 60 days, which is another 48 (unpaid) hours off.
We built airplanes with doors flying out of the sky, we built airplanes that crashes many times, we built airplanes with tires blown out… And we deserve 40% pay raise, and pension, and more… No wonder US manufacturing is going down to the toilet
Realize those failures are largely leadership failures. Individual workers have been complaining for years now about the rushed jobs and travelled work etc. your conception there is a little 1 dimensional.
You idiots obviously don't know how much the pension would cost them. Less yhan 2 billion dollars a year. And if they secured it though the correct channels it could fund the same amount for less than 800k a year. How many planes a year is that??? Less than 10 planes a year go back to the people who build them on top of the less than 5% that already goes to them. Boeing output 50+ planes from renton A MONTH at its height. Get out of here!! They can afford it if they get these people back to work and fix up shop. They just dont want that cutting into shareholders' pockets. And yhe union is greedy? They have 500 billion dollars just waiting to be built and delivered. And apparently they just got more orders.. Some of you people need to actually do math.
And steak and lobster. And a lambo in every garage. How about everyome stays home and gamble on crypto all day! Hey everyone! We all get our own western european country!
If I was Boeing I will go back to 25% initial offer and let Union's morons greed continue on picket line, recruiting new hires retrain with new safety systems and Boeing is too big to fail.
Actually, no. If the company bumped the GWI to 40% with bulk for first year and add more than $10 to the pension multiplier for existing eligible employees to say $20-25. A slight better touch on medical and prescription benefits and production will fire back up. Guaranteed. The best thing Ortberg can do outside of this is start house cleaning in the management tree that led to this extreme bitterness between hourly and leadership. There was a time when ppl were proud to work there. Now, with the way it’s run, ppl don’t even want you to mention they work there. Make a very attractive workers compensation package that will draw experience and talent again to apply. Then you won’t have to do lowly job fairs scraping the bottom of the barrel of desperate workers.
I've had managers tell engineering how to tell ME and my team how to FIX THE JET even though managers had no clue as to what was going on. We would have spent an additional week in the fuel tank had I listened to them. I asked one other teammate to work with me and troubleshoot the issue and found out it was electrical; two swapped wires on a connector that the factory had recently rebuilt.
I intended to withhold this information from the manager who pushed the work order through to the shop, but he walked in as I was informing my team lead about what we found. I called him out on his B.S. and he just walked out of the room to tell his managers what was going on. Management is clueless and lacks respect for Union members.
Something which needs to be pointed out is that Boeing engineers who design the planes belong to a different union than the blue collar workers. Boeing engineers are not on strike.
Not on strike but on furlough and facing cutbacks/layoffs/elimination. Aerospace is cruel ain't it?
All the new engineers that just came in will be laid off
@@anonymous5066 After this strike, there will be layoffs for IAM too. Some of these newbies are gone too. Including my 2 kids I fear. But they still live at home, so they'll be okay.
No. Boeing will be ramping up
And the speea union still has a pension.
i'm gonna quit engineer to become machinist. Machinists are making much more than i do
Yup, now they outsourcing Engineering work to India.
not gonna happen, these engineers need to be on site to do their work. @@mr.b6629
Why quit you guys are gonna have a contract next year
@@mr.b6629 Then gets sent right back here for re-work and correcting sliding timelines.
still a $100K a year job that requires way more work than a office engineer.
also takes 6 years to reach that wage
You decided to be a Union worker that's what you signed up for now put thousands including yourselfs out of work that's crazy
I'm a union member and I believe the machinists in puget sound are being unreasonable at this point. Even though it's gonna affect me I almost want them to suffer for being so **** greedy. I wouldn't sit down with these idiots until next year.
No short term gain and even more long term consequences...sounds like a management move.
If you can not figure out how to fund the pension try some or all of these things.
1. fix the COLA to regionally calculated
2. 20% GWI day one then 8,7,5
3. 8% automatic 401k contribution
4. 8% 100% 401k match
5. 4% Christmas bonus in November not a ampp in February
6. Increase Paid time off by 25%
7. 1 LWOP every 30 days
8. Increase college program to 100% of top 10 Boeing desired degrees.
9. Increase 401k choice to 20 different index funds.
10. 15K cash only signing bonus.
11. Have all the things be applied to all overtime hrs.
They need to up the pension multiplier because many of the old timers with pension grievances won't have years left before retirement to reap a lot of those rewards. But I agree with a higher up front wage..12% doesn't sound very appealing. And yes a larger signing bonus to make up for lost wages.
I swear these new agency's do not do their research on who they are talking about. IAM = Machinist Union & Speea = Engineers Union.
What's that brilliant guys name? Jack W... sumthin' or other. Some great proteges with the last couple CEOs at the B. And of course the McDonnell Douglas take over.
Jack Welch
The IAM members do not realize that they are actually angry at the Union and their fellow members not just the company.
The union negotiated with the company and Agreed to let the pension go to a vote by members.
The members voted it out.
If you have worked there less than 10 years you accepted the job that had no pension.
Employees with over 10 years was part of the vote back then and Your Union Brothers and Sisters voted the pension out.
Just a true Fact:
You're cherry picking...although you're not wrong, your statement requires more context.
This all happened under Obama administration and the Governor of Wa Troy Inslee I don’t hear nothing about him right now why nobody mention this??????????😂😂😂😂
Cognitive dissonance. What would this country be without unearned self entitlement?
Like the ceo's with all thier bad decisions
@@loke5713 heres some free advice for everyone reading this. Youll be much happier in life if you dont compare yourself with people you know absolutely nothing about.
@@loke5713 Golden parachutes and bloated bonuses??
I'll take 45% with a $15k ratification bonus. Plus lower medical costs.
you are dreaming...in two month, you have lost about $12,500 in lost wages...how are you paying for health/auto/house insurance, mortgage, electric/water, food etc???...good luck...
Boeing insurance is so much cheaper that most jobs offer.
Some people pay $120 a week out of pocket for family health insurance. Boeing employees cost is a quarter of that.
They can't really do much more on medical, due to the Obamacare rules and regulations about the kind of care. Boeing insurance is not that bad. 2 or 3 hours of OT and it's covered.
@@sherrcon The last month before the strike, I worked a fu*ck ton of OT. I'm using the last of my 2 checks to pay all bills for November, including mortgage. Not wanting to dip into my savings for December. I was hoping this last one passed so we could get back to work. Hopefully we'll get another offering with the 40% and a higher signing bonus.
@@TheObservant_Onehave fun getting laid off
this company wont see a future for 20 years too plant or not to plant the seed is the question?
When these greedy people finally put this company out of business, I hope they can find another job paying them $150,000.00 per annum.
How can you say the ppl building the planes is greedy when these CEOs make millions make it make sense
@@million8739 you are welcome to apply for a management job if you wish so you can make the mega millions, like Ortberg too. In fact, why didn’t you apply for Ortberg’s job when you had the chance?
People building planes should be paid well… makes the job harder to get so you can get better employees. You get what you pay for. Also Washington state is really expensive we’re not trying to get rich, just trying to raise are families. Other trades in the state make 20-30 dollars an hour more than us. We can make up for it with Ot but working 7 days a week gets old. Also the plane I work on cost 400 million dollars Boeing can do better
@@kelseyfuboyd Boeing hasn’t made a profit since 2018, they are running on credit. If $150,000.00 is not enough to build airplanes how much is? I was a flight instructor and charter pilot for 40, years. I have never made that much money per year in my life.
McDonald's won't. LOL
Boeing being disconnected. If they had just offered 40% and more time off it would have passed. The company keeps ignoring important asks. They also drug their feet for a month when they should have been at the table negotiating
How much more time do you need off? We start out with a minimum of 2 weeks of vacation, 40 hours of sick leave and 11 holidays. That's 208 hours or 26 days off. The vacation can be even more when you work overtime. Then you get an extra 1 hour of sick leave every 40 weeks after 1600 hours worked. This doesn't include your 1 LWOP every 60 days, which is another 48 (unpaid) hours off.
We built airplanes with doors flying out of the sky, we built airplanes that crashes many times, we built airplanes with tires blown out… And we deserve 40% pay raise, and pension, and more… No wonder US manufacturing is going down to the toilet
Realize those failures are largely leadership failures. Individual workers have been complaining for years now about the rushed jobs and travelled work etc. your conception there is a little 1 dimensional.
Learn better - when mgmt wants to cut corners all around, bad things happen. It's the upper mgmt, not the Joe machinist.
You idiots obviously don't know how much the pension would cost them. Less yhan 2 billion dollars a year. And if they secured it though the correct channels it could fund the same amount for less than 800k a year. How many planes a year is that??? Less than 10 planes a year go back to the people who build them on top of the less than 5% that already goes to them.
Boeing output 50+ planes from renton A MONTH at its height. Get out of here!! They can afford it if they get these people back to work and fix up shop. They just dont want that cutting into shareholders' pockets.
And yhe union is greedy? They have 500 billion dollars just waiting to be built and delivered. And apparently they just got more orders..
Some of you people need to actually do math.
boeing needs offer a pension like people want.
And steak and lobster. And a lambo in every garage. How about everyome stays home and gamble on crypto all day! Hey everyone! We all get our own western european country!
then don't need to negotiable. bankruptcy protection is the only path.
@@eile4219not even close
@@loke5713like to know why?
They cannot afford to pay lifetime free ride pensions. Forget it
If I was Boeing I will go back to 25% initial offer and let Union's morons greed continue on picket line, recruiting new hires retrain with new safety systems and Boeing is too big to fail.
😂
Lol you smoking 😂😂. You know how many certifications classes that has to be taken?
It's ok for the company and country for Boeing to close their door.
@@anonymous5066 anyone can be replaceable...lol
@@northstar5405 talk a big game apply for a position big boy.
Trump 2024 lol yep
Trump
Thank Almighty God I'm retired.
Steelworker Local 5032.
With a pension 👍
30/10/10/5
LOL
Time to get paid
50% and zero medical
pension all or nothing
Enjoy your new job at Amazon or McDonald's then.
Make your own retirement plan. Boeing cannot afford to pay lifetime free ride pensions. That's what bankrupted General Motors in 2008