The low price of the Leaf comes with one huge caveat, the lack of active thermal management in the battery, to the detriment of long term battery performance and durability. This is part of the reason why resale value drops so fast with the Leaf, which ends up making the value proposition much weaker IMO.
Ricardo Mateo Estévez Balvin, In 2019 The Tesla 3 35k version will start to hit the streets. Also the Koreans are coming. Although in small numbers. It does not look good if Nissan is going to use LG technology. GM has a lock on the Korean battery supply.
Ricardo Mateo Estévez Balvin your right but dont forget that bigger pack car will cost the same as the bolt and model 3. The cheaper smaller pack will still be plagued
This video completely missed the charging networks. Leaf used CHAdeMO, Bolt uses CCS, and Tesla uses their Superchargers. This makes a big difference if you want to use the car for road trips.
Right, Wu. That is a HUGE oversight on Edmunds part! They are basically only evaluating these cars as a SECOND car, not an ONLY car. Tesla is the only EV that can break out of that mold, CURRENTLY. That is a HUGE difference!
To underscore your point, the Tesla can be used for coast-to-coast trips without any problem at all. The Bolt and Leaf are both exercises in frustration if you try that.
4:10 334 miles in the bolt?? Have you driven the same route and circumstances while in the three? And the leaf? To prove that claim would be very interesting to see.
Agent00F don’t matter bolt is ugly af and have you been in one? They melted recycled gijoes to make the interior! And the leaf is just plan weak for an EV.
Model s owner here. Want to mention quickly here that “ you probably don’t want to switch often between the regen break mode and non regen break mode”. These two modes behave very differently when driving so once you get used to one mode (most likely regen mode to save energy), you just never switch back. So the quick switch button does nothing for me
Eric Tseng yeah you'd have to be a moron to not use your regen. There's no benefit. Wearing out your brakes and burning more electricity for what? Her der der so easy turn off. Really should have it on at all times in all vehicles.
Completely agree. I love the feel of my Model 3’s breaking. When I drive our ICE car it feels like crap. Your brain gets used to the breaking. It’s one of the best features IMO.
About the only thing the BOLT does better than the TESLA is regen-to-stop. TESLA doesn't do that. You HAVE TO move your foot over the brake every time you wanna stop. The BOLT EV will firmly, yet, at the last second, GRRRRACEFULLY bring you to a stop. It's a little game, figureing out exactly when to disengage the cruise control, (or lift) which, will begin the regen-to-stop program, trying to stop RIGHT in front of the stop sign. I've been spoiled on the BOLT now for over a year, and not having that would bug me. All in all, TESLA is a better car. I just couldn't afford one. I'm a teacher who makes over $80,000, but I'm in a hurry to pay off my bills, so I just wasn't into taking on a lot of debt again. Maybe someday...
9:35 "...the Bolt has the least cargo carrying capacity." Your team's cargo area review is a tad misleading. Here are the specs in cubic feet, seats up/down. Leaf=23.6/30 ; Bolt=16.9/56.6; Model 3=15 (including the frunk)/no numbers for seats down.
It's cool that they chose the Leaf for its value, but they omitted its biggest weakness: no active thermal battery management. I could see making the case for a 150-mile EV; however, only if it can actually fast charge. As it stands, it is incapable of convenient trips over 300 miles.
News Coulomb I just drove my Leaf from Norway to Lithuania. No problems at all. It was much easier doing this trip in the 40kWh Leaf versus the 30kWh. Everything is possible in this car if you are aware of its limitations on extreme journeys. Plus why would someone buy sandals and complain that they are horrible when running marathons?
To use your analogy, it's because Nissan is marketing their sandals as running shoes. In fact, they didn't tell anyone about the issue. They simply drew a running shoe on the box and locked the sandals inside... "No, no. You're getting a running shoe!" As I recall, Norway is a fairly cool country. My last trip to see my family (500 miles), my car's battery was 95 F by the time I pulled in for the first DC fast charge (and it has active thermal management). That means, if I were driving the Leaf, each charging stop would have been over two hours, instead of the 30 to 45 minutes I actually spent. That does not make for a convenient trip.
News Coulomb my 40kWh charged at 45.1 killowatts with the battery temperature at 49.6 Celcius, where's the problem? Nissan never marketed the Leaf here as running shoes. Plus one would hope consumers have the ability to research on the internet before making a purchase. Everyone that knows anything about EV's is aware of the limitations of the Leaf due to the lack of active thermal management.
Halldor Sigurdsson You might have missed the part where I mentioned my car has active thermal management. 49 C is a convenient number; that's the cutoff point at which the Leaf will start to drastically reduce charging rates. If you are hitting freeway/motorway speeds, you'll easily exceed those temperatures.
My have times changed. I just bought a new 2020 Bolt LT with all packages and fast charge for $22,000 plus tax. Discounts abound!!! Oh and new ones do 259 miles!!
NO word about charging capabilities or the OTA updates. No word about the Supercharger network. Why? This is THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect when talking about an electric car. Where and how fast can you charge it!
I have a Volt, my son the Bolt, and Now I have just purchased a 2018 Leaf. My comment is simply that from what I can see all are pretty great cars providing you buy them for the right purpose for "yourself". The Leaf is going to be my commuter car, not my trip car. I'll use the Volt for that, and Rent a Truck if I need to haul or do something my two can't handle. My dealer offers reasonably priced SUV/Trucks for just that purpose at $25/day. My Volt has used 18Gallons of gas in 12 months, the rest of the usage remained Electric. 9 of those gallons were me saying, hey look at how it runs under gasoline... Yes I have solar and essentially drive my cars for close to free. It's all about careful planning. I'm not overly concerned about the Leaf Degradation issue because the newer battery has taken that into consideration and time will tell. I am still NOT in the south west, so maybe I'd have thought differently in the high heat of that location. Drive-ability of all three are great, and I'm not overly hung up on having the best. In the end I operate a house, heating/cooling/Appliances/entertainment and "two" electric cars on less than $1000 and $250 of that is meter fees and taxes. To all I say enjoy life and look at this as an opportunity to better the world.
What you guys should have done is do a range test for all of this three cars doing the trip together so that we can all tell if all cars really get the advertised range for each car and which car is more efficient. Charged the model 3 with the same range as the Bolt then run the battery dry on a trip.
If they did that, only the Model 3 would be able to get back (unless you pay for two tow trucks to tow them darn near all the way back)! Remember, only Tesla has a nationwide fast charging network.
AscendedSaiyan3 if the model 3 is charged the same as a fully charged Bolt then one of this car will have a better range to each other and it should proved in theory which I car is more efficient and which car actually get to their advertised range. If the model 3 fall short then they can report this to Tesla same with what consumer reports did with the brake distance. Either everyone will benefit with the information gathered.
Why did you not refer to the relative safety of the 3 cars reviewed? This is my and a lot of other people's main purchase criteria, but you have not referred to it?
@ian w I agree. I've lost a couple of coworkers and a HS friend to vehicle accidents and vehicle safety is my #1 purchase decision priority followed closely by price. I now start every car hunt with IIHS Top Safety Picks and work backwards from that point. It's a bit baffling how many "professional" car reviewers and enthusiasts don't include a segment on safety. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't take chances anymore after that that 3rd death.
I hate when people pretend like the Model 3 base is not coming. Tesla has ALWAYS released the higher battery trims first and the smaller battery trims later. Model S now costs $74,500. Do you think that was the starting price back in 2012? HELL NO! Base Model 3 deliveries start in a few months. Tesla is finally producing 5,000+ Model 3's per week. Btw, a base Model 3 will still destroy the Bolt and Leaf so get over it. ;)
A base Model 3 will come in 2020 earliest assuming Tesla lives that long. The reason Tesla keeps dodging the question of the base model & repeatedly pushes back the date is they know that it is impossible to make money off that version. Credit where credit is due - 5K per week is an achievement, but at a significant cost - everyone was on deck at Fremont & it is highly likely not sustainable in long term. With all the workers running OT and their inefficient manufacturing techniques, Tesla would barely break even on the high-priced Performance & AWD cars, let alone the $35,000 one.
+Trades46 - I love it when random youtubers speak with such absolute confidence as to what's going on in Elon's head, or at the factory, or how their numbers are doing. It's hilarious. "they know that it's impossible to make money off that version" - LOL Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about. The $35k model 3 will be available next year, not 2020. And their plan is to drive towards 10k/wk so obviously they're going to make sure it's sustainable.
Tesla is hemorrhaging money - I don't need to get into Elon's head to know this fact. The fact you personally get so angry is already a good sign you know that I'm right - reality hurts.
I own a Bolt and looked at all 3, and I don't get the complaints about the Bolt's seats. I had a BMW i3 before and the Bolt is actually nicer inside with the sole exceptions of the i3's wood trim. It's plenty comfortable, more fun to drive than the Leaf BY FAR - with much greater range. As good a range and as fun to drive as the Model 3 for >$10k less. I think the Bolt is hands down the best EV out there at the moment.
Agree 100%. We love our Bolt EV. The lack of adjustability in the Leaf is a problem and personally I find the Bolt EV more comfortable. For the Tesla fanboy's that claim the Bolt EV doesn't have a charging network they clearly have never looked a plugshare. We have taken our Bolt EV on 600 mile road trips and I worked better than I expected.
then get the Tesla for your purposes. I have a Bolt, with a 70 mile round trip commute. It is perfect. I charge at home and will get solar for the house soon. We also have a Honda Odyssey for those longer trips.
My 2 cars are a Model 3 and a Bolt. Like you I'm not bothered as much by the Bolt's interior as some people. But, is it as fun to drive as the Model 3? No way. Still quite good, but not in the same league. A couple things I do like better about the Bolt than my Model 3: being able to fully stop on regen braking alone, and I like how it conveniently shows 3 range numbers at once: max possible range, expected range, and minimum range if you start driving like a crazy person, rather than just the one number (expected range) the Model 3 shows you. I also appreciate having Android Auto and Apple Carplay as options.
They don't even mention charging, and long distance driving capability.....They are lacking in evaluations. They talk about autopilot, which cost pretty penny. Without that feature, it cost bit less and also, reliability of the battery is a lot better than the other 2. Lower range Model 3 is not a vaporware. It will come next year. Not sure why they call it the vaporware like Tesla isn't going to produce it next year.
Yeah, the vaporware label is not quite appropriate here. It is as yet not being delivered, but we've all seen the technology on the road at this point, so it isn't actually vaporware.
The guy driving the Bolt called the Model 3 as a whole Vaporware years ago. Well it's here now and the standard range will be here soon enough. Every time someone calls it vaporware, they sound like an idiot.
woopsserg Leaf has an 8 year Nissan battery warranty. If your statement has any basis at all, it is for the initial Leaf production. Look for yourself - there are plenty of 2015-2017 Leafs for sale with all 12 of 12 bars of battery health. Now if you want to knock the resale value, you’d have a point.
1 bar drops only after 15% of capacity is lost. About 2015 with 12 bars, maybe if they were barely driven. pushevs.com/2018/03/20/nissan-leaf-battery-degradation-data-24-vs-30-kwh-batteries/ They may have 8 year warranty or 100 000 miles. But your range will be less than half before it is covered. 4 bars need to be lost which is 37.5% of the capacity. But range also gets significantly reduced by increased battery internal resistance besides the raw capacity figure. www.quora.com/What-is-the-life-expectancy-of-a-Nissan-LEAF-battery "But after the battery has aged to the point that mine did, you would be lucky to get 3.6 miles/kWh (and in cold weather, this is even much lower) due to the increased internal resistance. Combined with a 37% capacity loss, this loss of efficiency would result in about 43 miles of range, or about HALF of the original range."
woopsserg: and many of those oldest Tesla Model S cars are coming off warranty now, and will need motors and door handles replaced, if they weren't already .. battery is holding up well, its the other stuff that's to worry about. FYI - any car with lithium batteries, with water cooling, will achieve the same long life as Tesla (LEAF will not).
You three are crazy. The range you get in the bolt compared to the 5K difference in price is a no-brainer. 150 miles means always on the charger. Always on the charger means shorter battery longevity.
You guys copped out completely on the range question... hearsay and anecdotes are not a good basis for range data. Drive all of them in the same conditions at highway speeds - do it on a couple on different routes - and then tell us about your range findings. The Leaf will likely not get more than half of the Tesla's range at 70 or 75 mph. The Bolt will be somewhere near the midpoint between them. And nothing about real world DC fast charging? Please try to properly review and analyse these crucial EV parameters next time.
be smarter. there is no way to give precise range data. when the manufacturer gives a number, they tend to give an average number. and they get this number by assuming "ideal" conditions. "same conditions" on highway speeds. so they are to control the weather? the wind, the air density? the road condition and temperature? so they can give you an EXACT number you stupid idiot? yes you can travel exactly 3.14 no more no less. every time. in every leaf cos they are all identical and perform exactly the same. if you get a leaf and I get a leaf we can go precisely 3.14 and we would stop on the same dime. these reviewers are idiots! though you make a valid point that they did not compare the charging options... still, wtf do u expect from range? its not possible to give you an accurate number. its why its an average so don't be stupid pls
Or you could drive a long day in the city.. in the same area, and see what they get. On long highways trips I suspect the Model3 will be best.. it is more efficient. However as the guy said.. he has gotten well over 300 miles in the city in the Bolt because it can do more regen. That's well past what the model 3 could do. So if your driving in the city more the Bolt would be better . Highway.. model 3 would be better. So pick what you need...
That Bose thing sticking up out of the floor of the Leaf's cargo space is the dumbest idea ever. Too bad if you wanted to slide bags or boxes in there.
dude it is a little bump. maybe your bags would hit it... but it looks like the back seats of the car are angled back so if you slid your box in there then the box might hit the back of the seat before it hits the sub woofer... if that is what that thing is...
@@voidremoved it's more than a little bump, more like a 2 inch step. And that renders it utterly impractical for anyone folding seats and sliding luggage in.
Yeah. Kind of a big deal and a big investment on Tesla's part. www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=47.71522339519773%2C-58.113202166875%2C39.68807295378045%2C-74.131268573125&zoom=7&filters=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger&location=dc11839
Unless you live in a urban area and never plan on driving more than fifty miles a day, don’t waste your money on a smaller battery car. Tesla is the only company with a super charging network that lets you drive anywhere in the US without range anxiety. We average almost a thousand miles a week on our Model three, and it’s been flawless. My wife loves the car!
I drove my Model 3 around town yesterday at speeds from 35 to 55 mph, 30 miles in all. The average energy usage was 214 watt hours per mile. With 78.2 kWh available energy in the battery pack according to the EPA this corresponds to a range of 365 miles, hardly representative of more general driving. The 334 mile range for the Bolt given here is undoubtedly with similar caveats.
Yeah, noticed that. Not sure why they said the Model 3 is the longest range EV out there, the 100D has a 335 mile range, so they definitely blew that one.
Nice review overall but the biggest mistake here was failing to talk about the fast charging networks for each of them. They each have different capabilities when it comes to charging that should be mentioned and you left it out. Some good points to make is Tesla has the Tesla network of HPDC and the Supercharger network, Chevy has J1772 +CCS, and Leaf has CHaDemo when it comes to fast charging. Also should mention that Tesla Model 3 can charge on j1772 standard but not take advantage of the j1772 +CCS and it can't use the Tesla to CHaDeMo adapter like the S/X can. Each fast charging system has it's limitations and when thinking beyond basic daily driving and thinking of weekend trips that's when these differences glare out. But like I said this video should have a follow up now that Tesla hit its production goal or maybe hold off until the $35,000 version of the Model 3 is made and just do a base line tester across the three of them.
There is a minor note on that also. The Model 3 appears to have a 48A L2 charging, which means most Tesla HPWC will charge at 11.5kW per hour, so it can be fully charged from near zero in under 7 hours, and you can add close to 50 miles of range an hour. Compare that with the Bolt, which has 7.2kW which charges at 28 miles per hour, and the Leaf which charges at around 22 miles per hour. This adds a distinct advantage if you happen to be away from Superchargers and need to add miles to get to your destination. Not only does the Model 3 have longer initial range with a larger battery, it can both Supercharge faster and L2 charge faster than either the Bolt or the Leaf. The car that will suffer the most from L2 charging limitation however will be the I-Pace, it will take 13.5 hours to fully charge using L2 charging. Which means with a 240 mile range, that charging speed is nothing less than painful.
Captain Crunch that's even more details they didn't cover. But also from what I'm told from current leaf owners that the leaf can only be fast charged once a day so long trips are hindered.
after driving an 85 mile VW eGolf for 3 years (which was a great car), I will NEVER go for an EV with less than 250 mile range, The Model 3 (which I now own) can go 310 miles, which means I almost never worry about where I'm going. The are Superchargers everywhere as well as being able to use most public chargers. (which Tesla gives you adapters for). One BIG bonus is also the Model 3 uses standard sport tires and good 18 or 19" wheels, which means you have grip far above the other 2 as well as the rear wheel drive (and AWD now available) in the Model 3 so the front tires aren't doing ALL the work. And the BIGGEST advantage to the Tesla over EVERY car maker is the over the air updates. My car is barley a week old and it's already better than it was a week ago. And it will continue to do so. Where all others are what they are the day you leave the lot and will only get more obsolete. I cannot say enough about the advantages to the Model 3, looks, handling, tech, design, engineering, aero, innovation, comfort, efficiency, range, the most energy dense batteries that also use way less cobalt by a few factors than all others. And it doesn't hurt that it's one of the most American made cars around. Designed, manufactured, assembled, headquartered and run all in the U.S. with only a small portion of components from other places compared to any Ford, Chevy or Chrysler. And the wow factor without being cheesy and ugly or resorting to funky colors or transformers style lines is also a major plus! And now that Tesla is making 5000 model 3's a week they will quickly get cheaper. Plus Tesla doesn't just build the car and sell it to you and say "good luck out there!". They took care of the infrastructure as well, says big things about their commitment to their products and customers. Mine was 57K with options. My eGolf was 37k. The Tesla is worth every penny of the 20k more in my book!
JAEGERTECH I don't know if the Bolt really is treated that differently by Chevy, buy my Volt gets OTA updates all the time too. They even fixed one of my complaints the day after I showed it to my roommate, eliminating my complaint, and all I had to do was nothing. So Tesla isn't the only one doing those free updates that improve their cars after you drive them off the lot. Now, am I getting FREQUENT updates from Chevy? Not a lot, only about 2 or 3 since November. And will I still be getting them in 6 years like Tesla does? Time will tell, and I'll hope so but won't hold my breath. I'm hoping for being pleasantly surprised some more.
Would be curious what the updates did to the Volt. The Tesla updates add features half the time, so you get better audio, memory seats linked to keyfobs, grid lines on the camera, additional cooling and safety options, etc. etc. The list of updates on the Model S is pretty impressive so far and just keeps getting longer.... insideevs.com/comprehensive-list-shows-how-teslas-ota-updates-continue-to-improve-vehicles/
Also watch the "2 bit davinci" videos on the Truth about Tesla Model 3 Batteries, they out line the differences in Battery Tech which shows the level of tech, future commitment and even environmental shifts that Tesla has made and why the Model 3 Batteries are far beyond all others. They chose a different chemistry, not because it's cheaper, but because it's ability to use less and less Cobalt and also the battery packaging is way more efficient and scalable. It answers many questions people might have.
RWD is better... except that If a person has to drive in snow and ice then RWD is a disadvantage... then FWD is a better option. as for all wheel drive I am not a fan of that, but old fashioned 4 wheel drive is good
Quick question: Why is the currently available Bolt selling about 2000 cars per month? Tesla is making about 4000 Model 3's a WEEK and could sell twice as many. What am I missing? Are the Bolt and the Model 3 really comparable?
At 5:24 the presenter claims that in “D” there is no regen braking and it is “all pads and rotors”. This is not true. The Bolt operates the same as the Volt. There is merely *less* regen braking in “D”. As you press the pedal it engages regen braking until you exceed a certain G force limit or drop below about 5mph.
Not once do they mention how the leaf doesn’t have a liquid thermally managed battery. Compared to the other two this is the biggest failure of it’s design. And why this is a huge failure in this videos comparisons.
Kinda depends on where you live. We have two leafs in extended family, one is 1 year old and one is 5, only the 5 year old shows 10 percent degradation. I've tried all 3 and so far at the same conclusion, Leaf will be my car as well.
Nothing mentioned about the Tesla Model 3’s charging infrastructure and the car’s ability to tell you about it. You can go coast to coast, north or south and never worry about an electrical connection. That’s what’s GREAT about Tesla and worth every cent that you pay for the car.
The Model 3 is cool, but I just can't stand the speedometer and that being on the "infotainment" system. Can't stand that. If they gave it a normal hud, then sure. Also, like they said, the $36,000 Model 3 doesn't exist. Now if the base plus range extension version (+$9,000=$45,000) existed and they had a more normal dash, then I'd definately get a Model 3 for my next car. As it is, I'm leaning towards the Bolt, but that may change if the next Leaf has a comparable range.
shadowpod13 have you driven the Model 3? I thought that I would hate the center speedometer too, but after renting the M3 through Turo, I found I could adjust really quickly and realized it wouldn't be an issue at all.
I've been driving the 2016 Leaf for 2 years. No gas. No oil. No oil changes. I've had to rotate the tires twice and change the cabin filter and brake fluid. I paid 21K for the car total - including tax, title, and license, with a 0% loan from Nissan. My round trip daily commute is 60 miles. No problem. I plug into my house with a standard charger and the car's ready to go the next day. It is the best car I've ever owned. I'm a fairly aggressive driver and the Leaf never disappoints. I love the silence of the car, too. When I bought it, I had a range of 96 miles. After two years, that's degraded to 90 miles. If you're looking for a commuter car, I just don't see a down side. For out of town trips, we drive my wife's Prius. On weekends, we fight over the Leaf.
Im certain the model 3 has better range relative ise epa rating than the bolt at high speeds 55mph+. And it's at high speeds on long trips you need the range.
The Bolt does have regen in Drive. It's just mild and you don't feel it. It also had a full power regen paddle on the back of the steering wheel that will almost bring the car to a stop w/o touching the brake. With all of these cars you will eventually get longer range by using the standard mode rather than a high regen mode once you lern how to drive taking advantage of your momentum and regening only when you intend to slow down. I agree with the Bolt interior quality comments. This is actually why I chose the Volt over the Bolt. I can do all my commuting and in-town running around with the 53 mile battery range, often get 70 miles, using the engine only for long freeway trips. the Volt also comes with the regen paddle on the steering wheel which becomes second nature. The car looks great, has optional adaptive cruise control (fantastic option!). It has as much torque as my previous '11 Subaru STi (look it up!). In a quite smooth rush it reaches its 101mph speed limiter (on a closed course, professional driver, do not attempt, etc.). I really think it's the best EV value and most advanced drivetrain available today. Oh, I think the Leaf has the regen paddle too. Not sure.
Video doesn't even mention what many consider to be the biggest Tesla advantage, which is the charging network. Bolt and Leaf have DC fast charging available in the big cities, but once you get out on the road your options are very limited. Also, the Leaf battery pack is notorious for losing capacity as it ages. Also ought to be mentioned, the Chevy Volt hybrid remains a strong choice for a lot of people who want most of the EV advantages but without the range-and-charging concerns.
I wonder how that charging network will fair in cities once 400,000+ Model 3's are on the roads. The waits for plugs could be an issue since filling your tank with gas takes 5 mins and filling your Tesla takes 30 mins. We'll just have to see??
Keep in mind that the charging networks are changing very rapidly. Today CCS is the largest global charging standard. In the US superchargers have had a big lead. But with approximately 4000 CCS stations set to be installed in the next 12 to 18 months this will change that dynamic very quickly.
For the most part, those 400,000 M3s will be charging at home. (The SC network was essentially designed for long distance away from home.) Using the SC for everyday use is not the most practical way of charging. Plug in your home charger at night, and in the morning, you will have the range you have set it for, which ideally is an 80 to 90 percent charge. When you want to leave on a long trip, fill the battery up to 100% and you won't have to make the first stop until about 300 miles, or your stomach needs refilling.
I'll be watching Plugshare to see if-and-when those appear. Here in Texas our largest cities are dotted with chargers, but Tesla has the only network that's made any attempt to span the wide open spaces between them.
Isn't it kind of funny how the Leaf 60kW battery wasn't called "vaporware", but the Model 3 shorter range (220 mile) version called "vaporware"? The devil is in the details. Also, let's forgot that the Tesla is the ONLY vehicle that can be the ONLY car in your garage. All the other cars are SECOND cars. There is NO nationwide fast charging network in place (in the U.S.), to enable decent cross-country travel. There fast charging speeds are almost 1/3 of what Tesla vehicles can charge at. That's right NONE of these things are important, RIGHT?! It's just about price. IJS. Otherwise, it was a decent review.
Girahim You must not have read my post. Tesla announced the 220 mile $35K Model 3, TOO! Yet, only the Tesla Model 3 $35K version WAS called "vaporware". That is the definition of unfair treatment.
gona ignore the vaporware part cause nissan is making money, tesla is not rofl and tesla in general never does anything they say...... 5000 m3/week 12/17 right... rofl... no one is going to take a tesla cross country and spend an extra 10 hours or whatever charging that POS...
Matt Lane That's the problem. People, like yourself, just ignore things; when it comes to negative Tesla talk. Blind. You, like almost all negative Tesla commenters, have NO real knowledge of the company or it's products' capabilities. You didn't even know a Tesla has crossed the country in ONLY AROUND 50 HOURS! You "extra 10 hours" comments would EASILY apply to ALL the OTHER EV cars Edmunds tested! ACTUALLY, it would likely take the other EVs EXTRA DAYS to get across the country. That is a MAJOR difference and Edmunds, like others, tries to marginalize it. Completely unfair.
Should have done a highway range test since you have all three. Guessing the Bolt would not get 300+ in the highway tho (due to aerodynamics), where you would need that kind of range. Would like to know how the leaf does in a long trip with multiple fast charges also, some have noted very slow charging speed in the 2nd stop (~25kw) due to battery not being cooled like Bolt or Tesla. Any plans to test this?
None of the others are capable of a really long trip, in the U.S. They do NOT have a nationwide fast charging network. Only Tesla, currently, has such a thing.
Drive these cars like an ICE car say 75 mph the TM3 most likely 240 to 260 miles. Bolt 200 to 220 Leaf 100 to 130 miles. In stop and go driving all the cars can easily exceed their EPA range. The Bolt seems to be topping its 240 mile range in normal driving. The TM3 and Leaf have been falling short. Most TM3 drivers do not use 100% of their battery capacity so it is difficult to get an real world reading.
Tesla recommends daily charging should be limited to 80 or 90 percent, with 100% used when starting a road trip. So, 90%x310=279. This helps the battery balance the individual cells for longer life.
Fair opinions and all, but the Tesla has the largest EV charging network out of the bunch, it is also the most capable and technologically advanced, and isn't "boring". That's enough to justify the price point of 55 thousand, and the production of the 35k model is already rolling for orders.
There is no production of the $35,000 Model 3. Not yet. Maybe in 2019. Why would Tesla build base models when they are selling every $50k Model 3 they can build? Tesla is strapped for cash and losing money. They are not going to sell a low-margin product.
Except for anyone who wants to keep the car for several years and or sell it later. There's a reason why used Leafs are super cheap, and the 2018 redesign hasn't figured it out just yet...
Anthony C Brown hot climates or multiple quick charge sessions in the same day can apparently cause problems, heating the battery enough to impact battery health over the long run. Also be aware that the charging speed Nissan claims are only for the first quick charge of the day, with subsequent charges being much slower.
The Bolt review said that the Bolt has no regenerative breaking in "Drive". That is slightly not true. I own a Bolt and it does regenerate energy back into the battery while your foot is off the accelerator while in Drive only. Also, I bought the Bolt because range is very important to me. I just took a vacation from Las Vegas to Lake Tahoe with no problems even though the longest distance between charging stations was 191 miles with a 1000 foot elevation gain (Beatty to Hawthorne)!!!
The Tesla Model 3 is head and shoulders above any EV currently and this won't change in the future, not even with Porsche, Jaguar, Audi and Mercedes rolling out their EV's. This is partly because Tesla already has a super charger infrastructure established and has self driving technology better than anyone else. It also competes as one of the fastest cars on the planet with ludicrous mode. I don't think other EV manufacturers will be able to offer all of these things together as a single package.
This video gave me EXACTLY what I needed to make a decision. I'm confident in what I want and this is the best video I've watched to get me there. Thank you!
I believe the Bolt EV's max regen is .26 g, not .21 g (that's the max regen for L without the Regen on Demand Paddle). It has the most aggressive regenerative braking out of the three, and the only true one-pedal (the Nissan Leaf's one-pedal driving uses the friction brakes).
In the real world, most people like to take their car on at least an occasional road trip. I would invite each of the reviewers to take the Leaf, the Bolt, and the Model 3 on a road trip from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. Please. Oh, please. Show us how each car handles this road trip. Indeed, make it a race and let’s see which car gets to Las Vegas. Or take the cars from Los Angeles to San Francisco. As a resident of Florida and frequent driver between Miami and Orlando, I can honestly tell you that I have NEVER seen a Chevy Bolt or Nissan Leaf on the Florida Turnpike. Never.
Exactly. The Tesla can go from LA to Vegas without any trouble due to the long range and easy access to superchargers. Both the Bolt and Leaf can make it, but only if you plan ahead and do a lot of waiting around.
Sean Ravin, The Big battery Tesla 3 can do the 3 hr + trip from Miami to Orlando on one charge as long as you stay in the 65 to 70 mph range ( almost no one does that). If you need to stop there are no less than 10 superchargers along the way. You can top off 170 miles of range in 1/2 hour. Even the small battery TM3 will only have to make one stop. Drive for 170 miles than top off 130 miles in 30 min. The Bolt can make it in on a charge if you stay off the turnpike. If you want to take the turnpike you should find an fast charger in Kissimmee. You should be able to charge 100 miles an hour. A 1 hour stop would be the minimum. The Leaf? Just rent a gas car. You will drive 1 and 1/2 hours than stop for 2 hours to charge. The longer the trip the longer it takes to charge. If you stay off the turnpike and take back roads you may get away with one stop and one long charge. Running the Ac the whole time i do not think so. You are still taking a 8 to 10 hour drive that a gas car can do in less than 4 hours.
fatboy19831 your information regarding the Leaf is incorrect. 2 hours to charge? No. Miami to Orlando can easily be done with 1 CHAdeMO charge stop off I-95. The first rapid charge takes 40-45 minutes to add back 80% charge and make it to Orlando. 3rd and 4th rapid charger stops may greatly slow the charge rate, but that isn’t the scenario here.
Hogtown1986, 40 to 45 min with an cold car on a cool day to get to 80% best case. You have to go 240 miles from Miami to Orlando at highway speeds. That will make you maximum range about 120 miles at 70 to 75 mph. You do not want to dip below 10%. So at 108 miles you have to charge. Lets say the leaf will let you charge at to 45 min to 80% after driving at highway speeds for for over 1 hour ( it wont). That would bring you back to 90% or about another 100 miles more. Then you have to charge agin for your theoretical 45 min and that would take you into Orlando. Best case you have spent 5 hours to take a trip that an ICE car or an Tesla 3 can do in just over 3 hours. That is the best case. If you drive 55 mph you can go maybe 130 miles before you need to charge. 120 miles from Miami you are in Port St. Lucie, Florida. Is there an high speed CHAdeMO charger there? Even if there is you need to charge to 100% to make it too Orlando safely. That is going to take you over 1 1/2 hours with a hot car even with a fast charger. You are driving at 55 mph so over 5 hours for the Orlando Miami trip. Times are changing quickly in the North and the west cost. Not so much in the south and midwest. Now that BP is in the charge game fast charges will come quickly but it will be almost as expensive as putting gas in your car if Bp has its way.
fatboy19831 real-world I-95 worst case scenario range is 130 miles. That’s on a hot day, car loaded, AC blasting, 75 mph, and throw in some rain for extra rolling resistance. I know because I’ve done it. The utter lack of charging infrastructure north of Broward County would require about 1 and 1/3 stops to get from downtown Miami to the theme parks of Orlando. The first stop for an 80% charge (at normal charge speeds b/c the battery hasn’t heated yet), then another to add about 30 miles to get into Orlando where there are plenty of chargers - the best in the state. In the theoretical Tesla match-up, I’m assuming you would compare the not-yet-in-existence base car with reported 220 mile range to the Leaf. That would require that the Tesla also stop for a partial charge. So yes, the Leaf would need an extra 40 minutes or so. Maybe that comparison can be made in 2019. For now I’m enjoying my car.
My unbiased opinion just as Edmund's: The Leaf is the champion thanks not only for it's low price but mostly to it's advanced battery temperature management system. So extraordinary it does not draw any energy from the battery and performs so well in the southern states that actually the Leaf nor only maintains it's value but actually appreciates and gain lots of range the more you drive it in hot climates!
Charlie ... Gains range? Is that why the 2018 Nissan Leaf battery warranty is for nine(9) "segments" out of twelve(12) "segments" in eight(8) years or 100k miles? ... and it states that if you're below 9 of 12 (75%?) segments, the battery the warranty is apparently only to get the car back to 9 segments / 75%? "Gains lots of range"? ... Please elaborate. (remove space) owners.nissanusa .com/content/techpub/ManualsAndGuides/LEAF/2018/2018-LEAF-warranty-booklet.pdf
Kradius Yep, I stand by my comment and on the other hand, those who don't believe in unicorns (or these "reviews") will be receiving our Model 3s in a couple weeks. P.s. is sarcasm dead?
because great director of photography, structure of the script and commentary, editing. Some say you can polish a turd, i would say you cant. it just smears... so what they have here is not a turd.....Maybe.... Maybe if you agree with them it will make you warm and fuzzy,... so yeah. that is the answer; bias warm and fuzzy. "i new i was right, that model three is a pile of @#$%^%$#@#$^" kind of thing.... :)
Calling the $35k model3 "vaporware" is quite ignorant at best. The fact that you cannot buy the $35k one right now has always been the plan at Tesla, even if it wasn't your plan.
Whats the frequency Kenneth obviously not, because non-$35k are selling quite well. Maybe you think that's supposed to be the selling point to you. But it wasn't supposed to be the selling point at first. Maybe one day it will be (I expect it will be) but not right now.
1. The Bolt Today is just about the best Value in an Electric car. They are extremely reliable and have a very well engineered drivetrain. The Bolt can easily exceed its 240 mile EPA range in the real world. You can walk into a dealer and buy an Bolt at a discount and receive the full tax credit. The Big problem with the Bolt is styling. The Bolt is an 40k that looks and feels like an 18k car. You can literarily see every bit cost cutting made by GM. The Bolt is simply the best Value in an Electric car you can buy today. The best Electric transportation tool. 2. The Tesla 3 is an excellent overall automobile. Easily one of the best 50k cars money can buy. Excellent range and Power. The Tesla 3 can actually outperform most of its ICE competition. Tesla did a wonderful job on its design. The huge advantage Tesla has over the Electric car competition is its supercharger network and over the air updates. Tesla has 4 superchargers in the Washington DC area alone. Four more coming this year. Most people will charge at home. If you are running late for a meeting with no charge in the car you can stop and charge at an Supercharger for 15 min and get 85 miles of range. The problem with the 3 is the everything works through the screen controls. I understand what Tesla is trying to accomplish. When they get to the point where you can tell your car to set the temperature to 65 degrees it will be an fantastic system. For now it makes almost any function an 3 steep process that distracts from your driving. Also all that power and acceleration comes at a cost. That seems to be real world efficiency. It is very hard to imagine any person that has a 50k automobile budget picking the leaf or the Bolt over the TM3. 3. Unless you are doing an short term Lease. Nissan cut too many corners on the Leafs drivetrain. IE an air cooled battery in an 2018 Electric car. As far as I can tell a large percentage leafs made to this point have had problems with battery degradation. How bad is it. A good percentage 2012 Leafs and Volts have about the same real world range. The Volts with there liquid cooled batteries still have the same 40 mile range they had when new vs many leafs of the same area are hard pressed to go 60 miles on a full charge. An air cooled battery also limits how fast you can charge without overheating the battery. The 2020 long range Leaf will be liquid cooled and heated. If Nissan can keep the price close to 35k they will have an very good electric car. If it has to be priced much higher Nissan will no longer have an competitive product. As for me? I have an vaporware car on order. An 41k Blue short range Tesla 3.
We own a Bolt EV. I'm a large guy and the Leaf's limited seat movement and lack of tilt steering wheel put it out of contention. Also the Leaf with lack of battery active thermal management is a huge problem for battery longevity and DC fast charge capability. The Tesla is simply just too expensive and the interior is more of a modern art project than practical from a human interface stand point. Though it will be interesting to see what the base Model 3 interior will actually look like (if they every actually make it in decent numbers).
Erik Stephens you’re wrong about the Model 3 interior. I don’t blame you for thinking that based on photos of it, but after using it for several weeks now I can honestly say the traditional dash cluttered with hard-coded plastic buttons is the past. Touch screen for all controls is the future. Once you’re used to it, driving conventional ICE cars just feels like a joke.
It’s good that the Leaf is cheap because I’d basically have to get a second car to go anywhere. My sister lives 170 miles away and with the Leaf I’d have to stop halfway and recharge it to get there. Whereas with the Bolt or Tesla I could get there on one charge. AND isn’t the whole point of having an electric car to replace your gas powered one? I guess the Edmunds guys must be doing well for themselves to be so cavalier about range.
I'd say the Leaf is not a car for the single car family. But for most families, who have 2 or more cars, a Leaf is great as the everyday commuter while the other car could be a gas powered car that gives the most range of all!!
Really annoying that they do not know the difference between kW and kWh. Nissan is not coming out with a 60kW Leaf, that makes no sense since the old car had a 80 kW motor and the 2018 has 110-120 kW motor. Nissan might introduce a car with 60kWh battery for longer range. Edmunds testers should know better...
Dude in the bolt forgot about the little paddle on the back of the wheel for on-the-fly regen brake control? So you don't have to keep shifting between D and L.
Because they don't really want people buying them - that much is obvious from the fact that they are restricting availability in non ZEV states, including Canada. You could buy a model 3 in Canada and get it sooner than a Bolt, because they allocate 10 or fewer Bolts to Canada every year. At least, that's what it seems like, if you talk to Chevy dealers here.
Because, GM doesn't make the Bolt drivetrain OR the instrument cluster. That is all LG Chem. It is more or LG Chem's car than it is GM's. PLUS, what Colin Fox said.
I was astounded to see Edmunds didn't cover the thermal management systems (or Leaf's lack thereof) in this awesome review. That Leaf Battery gets cooking after a discharge, recharge, discharge. I really don't see why it doesnt melt down like Fukashima or Chernobyl nuke reactors!
Too bad the leaf doesn't have active cooling for the battery. It's range is going to drop really fast compared to the model 3. Also where is the leafs charging network? You're not going on any long range trips in the leaf or the bolt so you gotta own two cars. In the end the 3 is the best vaule.
The Leaf’s charging network is the Nissan dealers - most have rapid chargers. And they’re free. Other than that, there are more CHAdeMO chargers than any other type. Where Tesla wins is placement- strategically putting their chargers at locations to allow for coast to coast travel.
"most have rapid chargers" - Yea that's simply not true. Most I've encountered have maybe a single level 2 charger that is blocked by dealer vehicles most of the time. Even if it wasn't blocked there's always a chance of someone else using it which could potentially double the time it takes to charge cause you have to wait for them first. On level 2 you're talking 6 hours of charging for a decent range. At least with superchargers you get a minimum of 4 stalls per location and they're much more reliable than CHAdeMO. My state (Iowa) doesn't have a single CHAdeMO charger but it has many supercharger stalls/locations. "there are more CHAdeMO chargers than any other type." - Yea I'm not sure that's true either unless you live in Japan or the UK. There are far more supercharging locations / stalls in the US than there are CHAdeMO.
Yeah the Midwest is not very EV-friendly. Going by the numbers in the U.S.: 1,780 CHAdeMO chargers, 1,249 J1772 Combo, 391(?) Supercharger stations (not chargers, hard to find US-specific info).
They do have active cooling. They do not have LIQUID active cooling. I talked to a guy who works on hybrid and electric cars and reconditions the batteries as a hobby, and he's an actual rocket scientist who knows battery technology inside and out. He said Nissan fixed the range degradation several years ago with their dragon battery. It still gets hot and doesn't charge as fast, but it no longer prematurely degrades the range from what he's observed in several of his customers' cars in Phoenix.
Leaf at $38k. Tesla at $50k and you take leaf over Tesla because of price?!? That $12k difference gets you... Way better looking Way faster Way better handling Way better stereo Way more awesome features Tesla super chargers Dble the range AP hardware so you can upgrade later via a simple software unlock an any time Need I go on?!? Stupid choice. Wow
the Model3 is still an ugly car and looks weird (ModelS looks the best)... its much faster but that don't matter for everyday driving.. better handling is code for stiff ride (the road isn't a racetrack so it don't matter).. better stereo (i don't think so, the leaf got a option to upgrade) not sure what other features you talking about... Tesla superchargers isn't free for Model3 (you got to pay for each use).. more range which is good.. i guess any car you can upgrade hardware and software (i'm not sure where you going with that)... plz go on....
Definitely the model 3 then if that’s the case. I’d have to go with it anyways, since it looks a lot better. I have a heavy lead foot, so the Tesla is the better way to go. I may give the bolt a look, only because the car brand is something I’m familiar with. If I have an extra 12k$ to 15k$ to spare, I’d buy the Tesla.
What else does $12k get you? I could vacation in Hawaii for two weeks at a time, several times over the course of 4 years for $12k. That price difference is a whole third of the cost of the top-model Leaf. Some of us aren't raging car snobs who won't settle for anything but the best. Even the base-model 2018 Leaf is more than enough for me. That knocks off another 8 grand for an eye-watering difference of $20,000. I'm really not going to notice the difference in my daily life. I only test that ~300 km range a whopping twice, maybe three times per year. I'd rather have the money, kthx.
MsSomeonenew why is everyone talking about the 35k version as if it won't ever actually happen. It is coming, thier are now 2 modle 3 production lines and production is ramping up.
When I was considering which electric vehicle to buy I was basing my decision on a) RANGE b) technology and c) comfort/looks I commute to work daily and sold my Ford F150 due to it only getting 18-21 MPG at best on the freeway. I looked really hard at the Volt and Prius Prime before deciding to go all electric but they seemed too small inside, I also drove the Camry Hybrid which was really nice and roomy but in the end I decided I wanted to stop buying gasoline. With the 310 mile range of the Tesla I would not have to charge as often. I also really liked the Enhanced Auto Pilot on the Tesla and also all the innovation built into the car. Of course all of that comes at a higher price, for me it wasn't about the price per se it was more about the possibilities of this Model 3 growing with more over the air software updates and eventually getting to autonomous driving one day. I pick up my new Model 3 AWD Long Range on Monday and I cannot wait to be able to drive it everyday!
The best EV reviews are by owners. For instance check out newscoulumb. He's put over 50k miles on his Bolt EV in 1 year and does road trips. He's very honest about any issues he's had. The Bolt EV is not the most luxurious but he goes places with it you wouldn't take a 50k + Tesla model 3 like camping in the mountains.
I've taken my Model S camping in the mountains 4 times already. It's awesome for that. The 3 wouldn't be quite as nice since it's smaller. They also have the "camper mode" you can use to heat or air condition your temp. Came in real handy camping in the Pocono mountains when it was 0 degrees F overnight.
Newscoulumb is an awesome TH-cam channel. He shows just how capable the Bolt EV is. And he is good at showing techniques at maximising it's capabilities.
evtrekker13! I like the comment you made, thanks for that. However, of all of newscoulumb's videos where he does trips, if you add up the hours of charging... they are massive compared to what any tesla's would be. Especially the long range model 3. When the 220 mile model three comes out, i think you will find it can charge much more than 34 or 42 kW from the start on a low charge.. more like 80kw if their track record is anything. All in all, i think a model 3, or a used model S, would have saved him half of the charging time that he has currently spent on his trips. What is super awesome is he is willing to buy the car and take the time doing the charging and consistently, month after month, show the youtube world that it is possible and not that impractical. I feel it will still take years for people to calculate their time spend during the day, see what they can do while they are charging, and try to apply those tasks to their calendar/schedules to be done while they are waiting for their cars to charge. How many hours do you spend on your phone/tablet/computer that could be spent at a charging station and not affect your day negatively? Charging stations are going to become hangouts. They will become hangouts for the lone people that just want some time away from the world, or a place where people can gather and possibly be social. Either way, it could likely lead to people enjoying life more rather than "suffer waiting at the charger". As an owner of two EVs myself, i am happy to see this change. As an owner of two EVs myself, i have some validity by way of experience. As an owner of two EVs myself, i too have shared my experiences through youtube video reviews. Many people have benefited from the information and details and that makes me happy!
Thanks for your reply. I've Subscribed to your channel back when you got your leaf and really enjoy the one on your spark EV. You have a gift for humor. As for News Coulomb I do remember him talking about the Bolt EV being able to charge up to 80 KW in one of his early videos. It would be cool to see what would happen when Evgo start making those available. Until then it would be interesting to get his opinion on this article.
Leaf - 60kWh, active battery management. Is that a fan & heater or the AC blowing across the battery, or a legit liquid managed (doubt it) battery pack who knows.
Good review. Looks like the Leaf and Bolt have come a long way. What I heard them say is Tesla Model 3, but if cost is a factor you can get by comfortably with the Leaf.
The low price of the Leaf comes with one huge caveat, the lack of active thermal management in the battery, to the detriment of long term battery performance and durability. This is part of the reason why resale value drops so fast with the Leaf, which ends up making the value proposition much weaker IMO.
rotaryfreak3 The 2019 Leaf will have thermal management and better range. They're switching to LG for their batteries next year.
wow thanks for sharing, didn't even know about that. Thermal management is a must to prevent damage and overheating to the battery
Ricardo Mateo Estévez Balvin, In 2019 The Tesla 3 35k version will start to hit the streets. Also the Koreans are coming. Although in small numbers. It does not look good if Nissan is going to use LG technology. GM has a lock on the Korean battery supply.
Only for the larger battery option on the Leaf. And of course it will cost more (and weigh more) as well.
Ricardo Mateo Estévez Balvin your right but dont forget that bigger pack car will cost the same as the bolt and model 3. The cheaper smaller pack will still be plagued
This video completely missed the charging networks. Leaf used CHAdeMO, Bolt uses CCS, and Tesla uses their Superchargers. This makes a big difference if you want to use the car for road trips.
they prob basing it on everyday driving and charging every night
Right, Wu. That is a HUGE oversight on Edmunds part! They are basically only evaluating these cars as a SECOND car, not an ONLY car. Tesla is the only EV that can break out of that mold, CURRENTLY. That is a HUGE difference!
Actually the model 3 doesn't support chademo yet but it's not really needed anyway with the vast supercharger network.
To underscore your point, the Tesla can be used for coast-to-coast trips without any problem at all. The Bolt and Leaf are both exercises in frustration if you try that.
Yes, you are correct! It does not support the ChadeMo adapter, yet.
4:10 334 miles in the bolt?? Have you driven the same route and circumstances while in the three? And the leaf? To prove that claim would be very interesting to see.
TRY to HELP you he was bias and going down hill the whole time. Prob owns a leaf lol
Hey TeslaZealot, unlike what Elon nut huggers are used to, real professionals overdeliver instead of overpromise.
Agent00F don’t matter bolt is ugly af and have you been in one? They melted recycled gijoes to make the interior! And the leaf is just plan weak for an EV.
Thanks for demonstrating what tesla cult is all about.
Agent00F you are very welcome keyboard warrior
Model s owner here. Want to mention quickly here that “ you probably don’t want to switch often between the regen break mode and non regen break mode”. These two modes behave very differently when driving so once you get used to one mode (most likely regen mode to save energy), you just never switch back. So the quick switch button does nothing for me
Eric Tseng yeah you'd have to be a moron to not use your regen. There's no benefit. Wearing out your brakes and burning more electricity for what? Her der der so easy turn off. Really should have it on at all times in all vehicles.
I agree. Regen (creep off) should be a setting not something you have to select every time you drive. Tesla got that right.
I turned on e-pedal when I got my Leaf. I haven't turned it off yet.
Completely agree. I love the feel of my Model 3’s breaking. When I drive our ICE car it feels like crap. Your brain gets used to the breaking. It’s one of the best features IMO.
About the only thing the BOLT does better than the TESLA is regen-to-stop. TESLA doesn't do that. You HAVE TO move your foot over the brake every time you wanna stop. The BOLT EV will firmly, yet, at the last second, GRRRRACEFULLY bring you to a stop. It's a little game, figureing out exactly when to disengage the cruise control, (or lift) which, will begin the regen-to-stop program, trying to stop RIGHT in front of the stop sign. I've been spoiled on the BOLT now for over a year, and not having that would bug me. All in all, TESLA is a better car. I just couldn't afford one. I'm a teacher who makes over $80,000, but I'm in a hurry to pay off my bills, so I just wasn't into taking on a lot of debt again. Maybe someday...
9:35 "...the Bolt has the least cargo carrying capacity." Your team's cargo area review is a tad misleading. Here are the specs in cubic feet, seats up/down. Leaf=23.6/30 ; Bolt=16.9/56.6; Model 3=15 (including the frunk)/no numbers for seats down.
The Model 3 driver was smiling from the start.
It's cool that they chose the Leaf for its value, but they omitted its biggest weakness: no active thermal battery management. I could see making the case for a 150-mile EV; however, only if it can actually fast charge. As it stands, it is incapable of convenient trips over 300 miles.
News Coulomb I just drove my Leaf from Norway to Lithuania. No problems at all. It was much easier doing this trip in the 40kWh Leaf versus the 30kWh. Everything is possible in this car if you are aware of its limitations on extreme journeys. Plus why would someone buy sandals and complain that they are horrible when running marathons?
To use your analogy, it's because Nissan is marketing their sandals as running shoes. In fact, they didn't tell anyone about the issue. They simply drew a running shoe on the box and locked the sandals inside... "No, no. You're getting a running shoe!"
As I recall, Norway is a fairly cool country. My last trip to see my family (500 miles), my car's battery was 95 F by the time I pulled in for the first DC fast charge (and it has active thermal management). That means, if I were driving the Leaf, each charging stop would have been over two hours, instead of the 30 to 45 minutes I actually spent. That does not make for a convenient trip.
News Coulomb my 40kWh charged at 45.1 killowatts with the battery temperature at 49.6 Celcius, where's the problem? Nissan never marketed the Leaf here as running shoes. Plus one would hope consumers have the ability to research on the internet before making a purchase. Everyone that knows anything about EV's is aware of the limitations of the Leaf due to the lack of active thermal management.
If you want a Leaf with an usable range of more than 300 miles then look at the 60kWh Leaf late this year, that's the one for that use case.
Halldor Sigurdsson You might have missed the part where I mentioned my car has active thermal management. 49 C is a convenient number; that's the cutoff point at which the Leaf will start to drastically reduce charging rates. If you are hitting freeway/motorway speeds, you'll easily exceed those temperatures.
My have times changed. I just bought a new 2020 Bolt LT with all packages and fast charge for $22,000 plus tax. Discounts abound!!! Oh and new ones do 259 miles!!
If you'd driven the Tesla the way you drove the Bolt, you'd have gotten more than 279 miles.
NO word about charging capabilities or the OTA updates. No word about the Supercharger network. Why? This is THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect when talking about an electric car. Where and how fast can you charge it!
I love the interior of the bolt!!! I can't stand dark interiors for cars.
A635823 Tesla will be giving out white interiors eventually for the model 3. There are some pictures, but they aren’t entirely official.
A635823 I think honestly chevy made a really good car here. It is the most utilitarian car
YES, NOTHING WORSE THAN A BLACK INTERIOR. THOUGH I'M NOT THAT IMPRESSED WITH THE BOLT INTERIOR OTHER THAN THE LIGHT COLOR.
I have a Volt, my son the Bolt, and Now I have just purchased a 2018 Leaf. My comment is simply that from what I can see all are pretty great cars providing you buy them for the right purpose for "yourself". The Leaf is going to be my commuter car, not my trip car. I'll use the Volt for that, and Rent a Truck if I need to haul or do something my two can't handle. My dealer offers reasonably priced SUV/Trucks for just that purpose at $25/day. My Volt has used 18Gallons of gas in 12 months, the rest of the usage remained Electric. 9 of those gallons were me saying, hey look at how it runs under gasoline... Yes I have solar and essentially drive my cars for close to free. It's all about careful planning. I'm not overly concerned about the Leaf Degradation issue because the newer battery has taken that into consideration and time will tell. I am still NOT in the south west, so maybe I'd have thought differently in the high heat of that location. Drive-ability of all three are great, and I'm not overly hung up on having the best. In the end I operate a house, heating/cooling/Appliances/entertainment and "two" electric cars on less than $1000 and $250 of that is meter fees and taxes. To all I say enjoy life and look at this as an opportunity to better the world.
What you guys should have done is do a range test for all of this three cars doing the trip together so that we can all tell if all cars really get the advertised range for each car and which car is more efficient. Charged the model 3 with the same range as the Bolt then run the battery dry on a trip.
If they did that, only the Model 3 would be able to get back (unless you pay for two tow trucks to tow them darn near all the way back)! Remember, only Tesla has a nationwide fast charging network.
AscendedSaiyan3 if the model 3 is charged the same as a fully charged Bolt then one of this car will have a better range to each other and it should proved in theory which I car is more efficient and which car actually get to their advertised range. If the model 3 fall short then they can report this to Tesla same with what consumer reports did with the brake distance. Either everyone will benefit with the information gathered.
There is a website called plugshare. Filter for CCS or CHAdeMO. The Bolt EV and Leaf will do just fine.
Usually, there is only one plug and if it's not working you are screwed. SC are the only reliable option in the US atm.
Alexandre Andrianov Most of the new highway CCS stations have between 4 to 10 plugs installed.
I'm probably the only one here who really likes the Bolt and would buy it over all the others.
Why did you not refer to the relative safety of the 3 cars reviewed? This is my and a lot of other people's main purchase criteria, but you have not referred to it?
Excellent point.
@ian w I agree. I've lost a couple of coworkers and a HS friend to vehicle accidents and vehicle safety is my #1 purchase decision priority followed closely by price. I now start every car hunt with IIHS Top Safety Picks and work backwards from that point. It's a bit baffling how many "professional" car reviewers and enthusiasts don't include a segment on safety. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't take chances anymore after that that 3rd death.
Nathan Ryan Tesla is one of top 5 safest cars to drive
@@nobodynowhere21 Sorry for your Losses
I hate when people pretend like the Model 3 base is not coming. Tesla has ALWAYS released the higher battery trims first and the smaller battery trims later. Model S now costs $74,500. Do you think that was the starting price back in 2012? HELL NO! Base Model 3 deliveries start in a few months. Tesla is finally producing 5,000+ Model 3's per week. Btw, a base Model 3 will still destroy the Bolt and Leaf so get over it. ;)
No, the Model 3 with the smaller battery pack will be available next year. That version has about 10% less range than the Bolt.
A base Model 3 will come in 2020 earliest assuming Tesla lives that long. The reason Tesla keeps dodging the question of the base model & repeatedly pushes back the date is they know that it is impossible to make money off that version. Credit where credit is due - 5K per week is an achievement, but at a significant cost - everyone was on deck at Fremont & it is highly likely not sustainable in long term. With all the workers running OT and their inefficient manufacturing techniques, Tesla would barely break even on the high-priced Performance & AWD cars, let alone the $35,000 one.
+Trades46 - I love it when random youtubers speak with such absolute confidence as to what's going on in Elon's head, or at the factory, or how their numbers are doing. It's hilarious. "they know that it's impossible to make money off that version" - LOL Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about.
The $35k model 3 will be available next year, not 2020. And their plan is to drive towards 10k/wk so obviously they're going to make sure it's sustainable.
Tesla is hemorrhaging money - I don't need to get into Elon's head to know this fact. The fact you personally get so angry is already a good sign you know that I'm right - reality hurts.
I see a lot of prejudice when one of the reviewer said ; it is a vaporware. Probably he hates model 3 just for the sake of hating it.
I own a Bolt and looked at all 3, and I don't get the complaints about the Bolt's seats. I had a BMW i3 before and the Bolt is actually nicer inside with the sole exceptions of the i3's wood trim. It's plenty comfortable, more fun to drive than the Leaf BY FAR - with much greater range. As good a range and as fun to drive as the Model 3 for >$10k less. I think the Bolt is hands down the best EV out there at the moment.
Agree 100%. We love our Bolt EV. The lack of adjustability in the Leaf is a problem and personally I find the Bolt EV more comfortable. For the Tesla fanboy's that claim the Bolt EV doesn't have a charging network they clearly have never looked a plugshare. We have taken our Bolt EV on 600 mile road trips and I worked better than I expected.
then get the Tesla for your purposes. I have a Bolt, with a 70 mile round trip commute. It is perfect. I charge at home and will get solar for the house soon. We also have a Honda Odyssey for those longer trips.
My 2 cars are a Model 3 and a Bolt. Like you I'm not bothered as much by the Bolt's interior as some people. But, is it as fun to drive as the Model 3? No way. Still quite good, but not in the same league.
A couple things I do like better about the Bolt than my Model 3: being able to fully stop on regen braking alone, and I like how it conveniently shows 3 range numbers at once: max possible range, expected range, and minimum range if you start driving like a crazy person, rather than just the one number (expected range) the Model 3 shows you. I also appreciate having Android Auto and Apple Carplay as options.
They don't even mention charging, and long distance driving capability.....They are lacking in evaluations. They talk about autopilot, which cost pretty penny. Without that feature, it cost bit less and also, reliability of the battery is a lot better than the other 2. Lower range Model 3 is not a vaporware. It will come next year. Not sure why they call it the vaporware like Tesla isn't going to produce it next year.
No doubt the Model 3 has a huge advantage for road trips with its faster charging and the SC network.
The public, at large, is not aware of that, though. And, Edmunds is not letting them know one of the most critical pieces of the puzzle.
Yeah, the vaporware label is not quite appropriate here. It is as yet not being delivered, but we've all seen the technology on the road at this point, so it isn't actually vaporware.
The guy driving the Bolt called the Model 3 as a whole Vaporware years ago. Well it's here now and the standard range will be here soon enough. Every time someone calls it vaporware, they sound like an idiot.
i am now going to search for this... because this is hilarious.. really called it vaporware? maybe the dude vapes a lot? bahahaha
JUST WATCH THE VIDEO.
Will any $35K Model 3 sell with $7500 tax credit?
The tax credits will of long expired by then
Mark Lawrence still half credits until June 2019
Other manufacturers are really making good EV's. This is awesome!
Google for how long Leaf battery lasts and you might reconsider your opinion. Basically you'd like to replace it in a few years.
woopsserg Leaf has an 8 year Nissan battery warranty. If your statement has any basis at all, it is for the initial Leaf production. Look for yourself - there are plenty of 2015-2017 Leafs for sale with all 12 of 12 bars of battery health. Now if you want to knock the resale value, you’d have a point.
1 bar drops only after 15% of capacity is lost. About 2015 with 12 bars, maybe if they were barely driven. pushevs.com/2018/03/20/nissan-leaf-battery-degradation-data-24-vs-30-kwh-batteries/
They may have 8 year warranty or 100 000 miles. But your range will be less than half before it is covered. 4 bars need to be lost which is 37.5% of the capacity. But range also gets significantly reduced by increased battery internal resistance besides the raw capacity figure.
www.quora.com/What-is-the-life-expectancy-of-a-Nissan-LEAF-battery
"But after the battery has aged to the point that mine did, you would be lucky to get 3.6 miles/kWh (and in cold weather, this is even much lower) due to the increased internal resistance. Combined with a 37% capacity loss, this loss of efficiency would result in about 43 miles of range, or about HALF of the original range."
On the other hand, the oldest Tesla model S still have more than 90% of the original capacity left.
woopsserg: and many of those oldest Tesla Model S cars are coming off warranty now, and will need motors and door handles replaced, if they weren't already .. battery is holding up well, its the other stuff that's to worry about. FYI - any car with lithium batteries, with water cooling, will achieve the same long life as Tesla (LEAF will not).
You three are crazy. The range you get in the bolt compared to the 5K difference in price is a no-brainer. 150 miles means always on the charger. Always on the charger means shorter battery longevity.
Ok you convinced me I'm buying now a Model 3.
Thanks for the great video.
Thank you for presenting a contest between three good options. A rare treat.
You guys copped out completely on the range question... hearsay and anecdotes are not a good basis for range data. Drive all of them in the same conditions at highway speeds - do it on a couple on different routes - and then tell us about your range findings. The Leaf will likely not get more than half of the Tesla's range at 70 or 75 mph. The Bolt will be somewhere near the midpoint between them. And nothing about real world DC fast charging? Please try to properly review and analyse these crucial EV parameters next time.
be smarter. there is no way to give precise range data. when the manufacturer gives a number, they tend to give an average number. and they get this number by assuming "ideal" conditions.
"same conditions" on highway speeds. so they are to control the weather? the wind, the air density? the road condition and temperature? so they can give you an EXACT number you stupid idiot? yes you can travel exactly 3.14 no more no less. every time. in every leaf cos they are all identical and perform exactly the same. if you get a leaf and I get a leaf we can go precisely 3.14 and we would stop on the same dime.
these reviewers are idiots! though you make a valid point that they did not compare the charging options... still, wtf do u expect from range? its not possible to give you an accurate number. its why its an average so don't be stupid pls
Or you could drive a long day in the city.. in the same area, and see what they get.
On long highways trips I suspect the Model3 will be best.. it is more efficient.
However as the guy said.. he has gotten well over 300 miles in the city in the Bolt because it can do more regen.
That's well past what the model 3 could do.
So if your driving in the city more the Bolt would be better . Highway.. model 3 would be better.
So pick what you need...
Until Nissan launches a 60 kWh pack with faster charging and active cooling, they're not in the same category.
True, but it will arrive very soon, less than a year according to Nissan's announcement.
im really skeptical about that active cooling. I think it is likely not going to happen :/
That Bose thing sticking up out of the floor of the Leaf's cargo space is the dumbest idea ever. Too bad if you wanted to slide bags or boxes in there.
dude it is a little bump. maybe your bags would hit it... but it looks like the back seats of the car are angled back so if you slid your box in there then the box might hit the back of the seat before it hits the sub woofer... if that is what that thing is...
@@voidremoved it's more than a little bump, more like a 2 inch step. And that renders it utterly impractical for anyone folding seats and sliding luggage in.
No mention of the Nissan's lack of active battery management, or Tesla's super charger network. No wonder they like the cheaper leaf.
Tesla has an advantage with the supercharger network. How would you charge the other two on a road trip?
Sai Hemanth Bheemreddy That is definitely Tesla's Ace card (trying to avoid saying "Trump card").
Yeah. Kind of a big deal and a big investment on Tesla's part.
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All GM needs to do is add charging stations at each dealership.
Unless you live in a urban area and never plan on driving more than fifty miles a day, don’t waste your money on a smaller battery car. Tesla is the only company with a super charging network that lets you drive anywhere in the US without range anxiety. We average almost a thousand miles a week on our Model three, and it’s been flawless.
My wife loves the car!
I drove my Model 3 around town yesterday at speeds from 35 to 55 mph, 30 miles in all. The average energy usage was 214 watt hours per mile. With 78.2 kWh available energy in the battery pack according to the EPA this corresponds to a range of 365 miles, hardly representative of more general driving. The 334 mile range for the Bolt given here is undoubtedly with similar caveats.
Longest range EV is the Tesla Model S 100D, correct?
Yeah, noticed that. Not sure why they said the Model 3 is the longest range EV out there, the 100D has a 335 mile range, so they definitely blew that one.
Nice review overall but the biggest mistake here was failing to talk about the fast charging networks for each of them. They each have different capabilities when it comes to charging that should be mentioned and you left it out. Some good points to make is Tesla has the Tesla network of HPDC and the Supercharger network, Chevy has J1772 +CCS, and Leaf has CHaDemo when it comes to fast charging. Also should mention that Tesla Model 3 can charge on j1772 standard but not take advantage of the j1772 +CCS and it can't use the Tesla to CHaDeMo adapter like the S/X can. Each fast charging system has it's limitations and when thinking beyond basic daily driving and thinking of weekend trips that's when these differences glare out. But like I said this video should have a follow up now that Tesla hit its production goal or maybe hold off until the $35,000 version of the Model 3 is made and just do a base line tester across the three of them.
There is a minor note on that also. The Model 3 appears to have a 48A L2 charging, which means most Tesla HPWC will charge at 11.5kW per hour, so it can be fully charged from near zero in under 7 hours, and you can add close to 50 miles of range an hour.
Compare that with the Bolt, which has 7.2kW which charges at 28 miles per hour, and the Leaf which charges at around 22 miles per hour.
This adds a distinct advantage if you happen to be away from Superchargers and need to add miles to get to your destination.
Not only does the Model 3 have longer initial range with a larger battery, it can both Supercharge faster and L2 charge faster than either the Bolt or the Leaf.
The car that will suffer the most from L2 charging limitation however will be the I-Pace, it will take 13.5 hours to fully charge using L2 charging. Which means with a 240 mile range, that charging speed is nothing less than painful.
Captain Crunch that's even more details they didn't cover. But also from what I'm told from current leaf owners that the leaf can only be fast charged once a day so long trips are hindered.
after driving an 85 mile VW eGolf for 3 years (which was a great car), I will NEVER go for an EV with less than 250 mile range, The Model 3 (which I now own) can go 310 miles, which means I almost never worry about where I'm going. The are Superchargers everywhere as well as being able to use most public chargers. (which Tesla gives you adapters for). One BIG bonus is also the Model 3 uses standard sport tires and good 18 or 19" wheels, which means you have grip far above the other 2 as well as the rear wheel drive (and AWD now available) in the Model 3 so the front tires aren't doing ALL the work. And the BIGGEST advantage to the Tesla over EVERY car maker is the over the air updates. My car is barley a week old and it's already better than it was a week ago. And it will continue to do so. Where all others are what they are the day you leave the lot and will only get more obsolete. I cannot say enough about the advantages to the Model 3, looks, handling, tech, design, engineering, aero, innovation, comfort, efficiency, range, the most energy dense batteries that also use way less cobalt by a few factors than all others. And it doesn't hurt that it's one of the most American made cars around. Designed, manufactured, assembled, headquartered and run all in the U.S. with only a small portion of components from other places compared to any Ford, Chevy or Chrysler. And the wow factor without being cheesy and ugly or resorting to funky colors or transformers style lines is also a major plus! And now that Tesla is making 5000 model 3's a week they will quickly get cheaper. Plus Tesla doesn't just build the car and sell it to you and say "good luck out there!". They took care of the infrastructure as well, says big things about their commitment to their products and customers. Mine was 57K with options. My eGolf was 37k. The Tesla is worth every penny of the 20k more in my book!
JAEGERTECH I don't know if the Bolt really is treated that differently by Chevy, buy my Volt gets OTA updates all the time too. They even fixed one of my complaints the day after I showed it to my roommate, eliminating my complaint, and all I had to do was nothing. So Tesla isn't the only one doing those free updates that improve their cars after you drive them off the lot. Now, am I getting FREQUENT updates from Chevy? Not a lot, only about 2 or 3 since November. And will I still be getting them in 6 years like Tesla does? Time will tell, and I'll hope so but won't hold my breath. I'm hoping for being pleasantly surprised some more.
Would be curious what the updates did to the Volt. The Tesla updates add features half the time, so you get better audio, memory seats linked to keyfobs, grid lines on the camera, additional cooling and safety options, etc. etc.
The list of updates on the Model S is pretty impressive so far and just keeps getting longer....
insideevs.com/comprehensive-list-shows-how-teslas-ota-updates-continue-to-improve-vehicles/
Also watch the "2 bit davinci" videos on the Truth about Tesla Model 3 Batteries, they out line the differences in Battery Tech which shows the level of tech, future commitment and even environmental shifts that Tesla has made and why the Model 3 Batteries are far beyond all others. They chose a different chemistry, not because it's cheaper, but because it's ability to use less and less Cobalt and also the battery packaging is way more efficient and scalable. It answers many questions people might have.
RWD is better... except that If a person has to drive in snow and ice then RWD is a disadvantage... then FWD is a better option. as for all wheel drive I am not a fan of that, but old fashioned 4 wheel drive is good
@Whats the frequency Kenneth Nissan came out with leaf in 2010 ! They use Frequency drive Ac motors. Tesla may have copped them?
Quick question: Why is the currently available Bolt selling about 2000 cars per month? Tesla is making about 4000 Model 3's a WEEK and could sell twice as many. What am I missing? Are the Bolt and the Model 3 really comparable?
Why Nissan put that Sound Box Device like that? Such a waste of space.
Agreed. Fortunately it is only in the SL trim. I got an SV partially because of that lost space.
At 5:24 the presenter claims that in “D” there is no regen braking and it is “all pads and rotors”. This is not true. The Bolt operates the same as the Volt. There is merely *less* regen braking in “D”. As you press the pedal it engages regen braking until you exceed a certain G force limit or drop below about 5mph.
Not once do they mention how the leaf doesn’t have a liquid thermally managed battery. Compared to the other two this is the biggest failure of it’s design. And why this is a huge failure in this videos comparisons.
You get what you pay for. I live in the Sun Belt, so, active thermal management doesn't matter at all to me.
Kinda depends on where you live. We have two leafs in extended family, one is 1 year old and one is 5, only the 5 year old shows 10 percent degradation. I've tried all 3 and so far at the same conclusion, Leaf will be my car as well.
Nothing mentioned about the Tesla Model 3’s charging infrastructure and the car’s ability to tell you about it. You can go coast to coast, north or south and never worry about an electrical connection. That’s what’s GREAT about Tesla and worth every cent that you pay for the car.
The model 3 is just so much more classier than their counterparts. The other two are so boring.
Geoffrey Wan, agreed. I think those two are also ugly.
The Model 3 is cool, but I just can't stand the speedometer and that being on the "infotainment" system. Can't stand that. If they gave it a normal hud, then sure. Also, like they said, the $36,000 Model 3 doesn't exist.
Now if the base plus range extension version (+$9,000=$45,000) existed and they had a more normal dash, then I'd definately get a Model 3 for my next car. As it is, I'm leaning towards the Bolt, but that may change if the next Leaf has a comparable range.
shadowpod13 have you driven the Model 3? I thought that I would hate the center speedometer too, but after renting the M3 through Turo, I found I could adjust really quickly and realized it wouldn't be an issue at all.
I believe they should offer the Leaf in a sedan variant just as they offer the Versa in both hatchback and sedan body styles.
Too bad I have no money for the Tesla though. I might end up buying one of the other two lolol.
I've been driving the 2016 Leaf for 2 years. No gas. No oil. No oil changes. I've had to rotate the tires twice and change the cabin filter and brake fluid. I paid 21K for the car total - including tax, title, and license, with a 0% loan from Nissan. My round trip daily commute is 60 miles. No problem. I plug into my house with a standard charger and the car's ready to go the next day. It is the best car I've ever owned. I'm a fairly aggressive driver and the Leaf never disappoints. I love the silence of the car, too. When I bought it, I had a range of 96 miles. After two years, that's degraded to 90 miles. If you're looking for a commuter car, I just don't see a down side. For out of town trips, we drive my wife's Prius. On weekends, we fight over the Leaf.
P.s. and why no comment on Supercharging?
Really like these comparisons. Very well done.
Im certain the model 3 has better range relative ise epa rating than the bolt at high speeds 55mph+. And it's at high speeds on long trips you need the range.
The Bolt does have regen in Drive. It's just mild and you don't feel it. It also had a full power regen paddle on the back of the steering wheel that will almost bring the car to a stop w/o touching the brake. With all of these cars you will eventually get longer range by using the standard mode rather than a high regen mode once you lern how to drive taking advantage of your momentum and regening only when you intend to slow down.
I agree with the Bolt interior quality comments. This is actually why I chose the Volt over the Bolt. I can do all my commuting and in-town running around with the 53 mile battery range, often get 70 miles, using the engine only for long freeway trips. the Volt also comes with the regen paddle on the steering wheel which becomes second nature. The car looks great, has optional adaptive cruise control (fantastic option!). It has as much torque as my previous '11 Subaru STi (look it up!). In a quite smooth rush it reaches its 101mph speed limiter (on a closed course, professional driver, do not attempt, etc.). I really think it's the best EV value and most advanced drivetrain available today.
Oh, I think the Leaf has the regen paddle too. Not sure.
Video doesn't even mention what many consider to be the biggest Tesla advantage, which is the charging network. Bolt and Leaf have DC fast charging available in the big cities, but once you get out on the road your options are very limited. Also, the Leaf battery pack is notorious for losing capacity as it ages. Also ought to be mentioned, the Chevy Volt hybrid remains a strong choice for a lot of people who want most of the EV advantages but without the range-and-charging concerns.
I wonder how that charging network will fair in cities once 400,000+ Model 3's are on the roads. The waits for plugs could be an issue since filling your tank with gas takes 5 mins and filling your Tesla takes 30 mins. We'll just have to see??
Keep in mind that the charging networks are changing very rapidly. Today CCS is the largest global charging standard. In the US superchargers have had a big lead. But with approximately 4000 CCS stations set to be installed in the next 12 to 18 months this will change that dynamic very quickly.
For the most part, those 400,000 M3s will be charging at home. (The SC network was essentially designed for long distance away from home.) Using the SC for everyday use is not the most practical way of charging. Plug in your home charger at night, and in the morning, you will have the range you have set it for, which ideally is an 80 to 90 percent charge. When you want to leave on a long trip, fill the battery up to 100% and you won't have to make the first stop until about 300 miles, or your stomach needs refilling.
I'll be watching Plugshare to see if-and-when those appear. Here in Texas our largest cities are dotted with chargers, but Tesla has the only network that's made any attempt to span the wide open spaces between them.
hey bolt guy...you can set the Leaf so the E-pedal is defaulted to on all the time when you start car
Isn't it kind of funny how the Leaf 60kW battery wasn't called "vaporware", but the Model 3 shorter range (220 mile) version called "vaporware"? The devil is in the details. Also, let's forgot that the Tesla is the ONLY vehicle that can be the ONLY car in your garage. All the other cars are SECOND cars. There is NO nationwide fast charging network in place (in the U.S.), to enable decent cross-country travel. There fast charging speeds are almost 1/3 of what Tesla vehicles can charge at. That's right NONE of these things are important, RIGHT?! It's just about price. IJS.
Otherwise, it was a decent review.
The 60kWh Leaf isn't vaporware, it was announced by Nissan on October's conference when they also announced the current 40kWh Leaf.
Girahim You must not have read my post. Tesla announced the 220 mile $35K Model 3, TOO! Yet, only the Tesla Model 3 $35K version WAS called "vaporware". That is the definition of unfair treatment.
You're correct, I understood you in a wrong way.
gona ignore the vaporware part cause nissan is making money, tesla is not rofl and tesla in general never does anything they say...... 5000 m3/week 12/17 right... rofl...
no one is going to take a tesla cross country and spend an extra 10 hours or whatever charging that POS...
Matt Lane That's the problem. People, like yourself, just ignore things; when it comes to negative Tesla talk. Blind.
You, like almost all negative Tesla commenters, have NO real knowledge of the company or it's products' capabilities. You didn't even know a Tesla has crossed the country in ONLY AROUND 50 HOURS! You "extra 10 hours" comments would EASILY apply to ALL the OTHER EV cars Edmunds tested! ACTUALLY, it would likely take the other EVs EXTRA DAYS to get across the country.
That is a MAJOR difference and Edmunds, like others, tries to marginalize it. Completely unfair.
This is a great video... thanks!!!
Should have done a highway range test since you have all three. Guessing the Bolt would not get 300+ in the highway tho (due to aerodynamics), where you would need that kind of range.
Would like to know how the leaf does in a long trip with multiple fast charges also, some have noted very slow charging speed in the 2nd stop (~25kw) due to battery not being cooled like Bolt or Tesla. Any plans to test this?
None of the others are capable of a really long trip, in the U.S. They do NOT have a nationwide fast charging network. Only Tesla, currently, has such a thing.
I have a Tesla Model 3 and the 310 mile range is realistic if you keep the speed down to 65-70 on the highway.
Drive these cars like an ICE car say 75 mph the TM3 most likely 240 to 260 miles. Bolt 200 to 220 Leaf 100 to 130 miles. In stop and go driving all the cars can easily exceed their EPA range. The Bolt seems to be topping its 240 mile range in normal driving. The TM3 and Leaf have been falling short. Most TM3 drivers do not use 100% of their battery capacity so it is difficult to get an real world reading.
The 60kWh Leaf isn't vaporware, it was announced by Nissan on October's conference when they also announced the current new Leaf.
What is this 279 mile "normal mode" range that you mention for the Model 3??
Tesla recommends daily charging should be limited to 80 or 90 percent, with 100% used when starting a road trip. So, 90%x310=279. This helps the battery balance the individual cells for longer life.
The model 3’s range is the same as my alfa Romeo, and it has an 80 litre tank (300 miles)
Fair opinions and all, but the Tesla has the largest EV charging network out of the bunch, it is also the most capable and technologically advanced, and isn't "boring". That's enough to justify the price point of 55 thousand, and the production of the 35k model is already rolling for orders.
49k if you opt out of autopilot
But the thing is, why wouldn't you get autopilot on a Tesla? It's the car of the future.
I'm just saying for comparison's sake, like if that 5k is too much for you, then the car is still beyond worth it anyways.
There is no production of the $35,000 Model 3. Not yet. Maybe in 2019. Why would Tesla build base models when they are selling every $50k Model 3 they can build? Tesla is strapped for cash and losing money. They are not going to sell a low-margin product.
What I meant was that 35k Model 3 is ready for reservations but not ready for production.
Also if you want level 2 and level 3 fast charging on the Bolt that's another $1500 on top of the MSRP. Tesla and Leaf come equiped.
Not so. $500
I guess in real world usage there was not a concern about the Leaf not having a battery thermal management system.
Except for anyone who wants to keep the car for several years and or sell it later. There's a reason why used Leafs are super cheap, and the 2018 redesign hasn't figured it out just yet...
Anthony C Brown hot climates or multiple quick charge sessions in the same day can apparently cause problems, heating the battery enough to impact battery health over the long run. Also be aware that the charging speed Nissan claims are only for the first quick charge of the day, with subsequent charges being much slower.
Why would you recommend the one car in the group that doesn't have any hardware battery thermal management without at least warning potential buyers
The Bolt review said that the Bolt has no regenerative breaking in "Drive". That is slightly not true. I own a Bolt and it does regenerate energy back into the battery while your foot is off the accelerator while in Drive only. Also, I bought the Bolt because range is very important to me. I just took a vacation from Las Vegas to Lake Tahoe with no problems even though the longest distance between charging stations was 191 miles with a 1000 foot elevation gain (Beatty to Hawthorne)!!!
So the criteria was money? This could have been a 1 minute video...
well maybe bang for the buck as long as you dont keep the leaf long and no long road trips lol
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Where is the dashboard in the model 3?
The Tesla Model 3 is head and shoulders above any EV currently and this won't change in the future, not even with Porsche, Jaguar, Audi and Mercedes rolling out their EV's. This is partly because Tesla already has a super charger infrastructure established and has self driving technology better than anyone else. It also competes as one of the fastest cars on the planet with ludicrous mode. I don't think other EV manufacturers will be able to offer all of these things together as a single package.
This video gave me EXACTLY what I needed to make a decision. I'm confident in what I want and this is the best video I've watched to get me there. Thank you!
I believe the Bolt EV's max regen is .26 g, not .21 g (that's the max regen for L without the Regen on Demand Paddle). It has the most aggressive regenerative braking out of the three, and the only true one-pedal (the Nissan Leaf's one-pedal driving uses the friction brakes).
Ques. Why does Model 3 take double the time than Bolt and Leaf to go from 40 to 0?
In the real world, most people like to take their car on at least an occasional road trip. I would invite each of the reviewers to take the Leaf, the Bolt, and the Model 3 on a road trip from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. Please. Oh, please. Show us how each car handles this road trip. Indeed, make it a race and let’s see which car gets to Las Vegas. Or take the cars from Los Angeles to San Francisco. As a resident of Florida and frequent driver between Miami and Orlando, I can honestly tell you that I have NEVER seen a Chevy Bolt or Nissan Leaf on the Florida Turnpike. Never.
Exactly. The Tesla can go from LA to Vegas without any trouble due to the long range and easy access to superchargers. Both the Bolt and Leaf can make it, but only if you plan ahead and do a lot of waiting around.
Sean Ravin, The Big battery Tesla 3 can do the 3 hr + trip from Miami to Orlando on one charge as long as you stay in the 65 to 70 mph range ( almost no one does that). If you need to stop there are no less than 10 superchargers along the way. You can top off 170 miles of range in 1/2 hour. Even the small battery TM3 will only have to make one stop. Drive for 170 miles than top off 130 miles in 30 min.
The Bolt can make it in on a charge if you stay off the turnpike. If you want to take the turnpike you should find an fast charger in Kissimmee. You should be able to charge 100 miles an hour. A 1 hour stop would be the minimum.
The Leaf? Just rent a gas car. You will drive 1 and 1/2 hours than stop for 2 hours to charge. The longer the trip the longer it takes to charge. If you stay off the turnpike and take back roads you may get away with one stop and one long charge. Running the Ac the whole time i do not think so. You are still taking a 8 to 10 hour drive that a gas car can do in less than 4 hours.
fatboy19831 your information regarding the Leaf is incorrect. 2 hours to charge? No. Miami to Orlando can easily be done with 1 CHAdeMO charge stop off I-95. The first rapid charge takes 40-45 minutes to add back 80% charge and make it to Orlando. 3rd and 4th rapid charger stops may greatly slow the charge rate, but that isn’t the scenario here.
Hogtown1986, 40 to 45 min with an cold car on a cool day to get to 80% best case. You have to go 240 miles from Miami to Orlando at highway speeds. That will make you maximum range about 120 miles at 70 to 75 mph. You do not want to dip below 10%. So at 108 miles you have to charge. Lets say the leaf will let you charge at to 45 min to 80% after driving at highway speeds for for over 1 hour ( it wont). That would bring you back to 90% or about another 100 miles more. Then you have to charge agin for your theoretical 45 min and that would take you into Orlando. Best case you have spent 5 hours to take a trip that an ICE car or an Tesla 3 can do in just over 3 hours. That is the best case.
If you drive 55 mph you can go maybe 130 miles before you need to charge. 120 miles from Miami you are in Port St. Lucie, Florida. Is there an high speed CHAdeMO charger there? Even if there is you need to charge to 100% to make it too Orlando safely. That is going to take you over 1 1/2 hours with a hot car even with a fast charger. You are driving at 55 mph so over 5 hours for the Orlando Miami trip.
Times are changing quickly in the North and the west cost. Not so much in the south and midwest. Now that BP is in the charge game fast charges will come quickly but it will be almost as expensive as putting gas in your car if Bp has its way.
fatboy19831 real-world I-95 worst case scenario range is 130 miles. That’s on a hot day, car loaded, AC blasting, 75 mph, and throw in some rain for extra rolling resistance. I know because I’ve done it. The utter lack of charging infrastructure north of Broward County would require about 1 and 1/3 stops to get from downtown Miami to the theme parks of Orlando. The first stop for an 80% charge (at normal charge speeds b/c the battery hasn’t heated yet), then another to add about 30 miles to get into Orlando where there are plenty of chargers - the best in the state. In the theoretical Tesla match-up, I’m assuming you would compare the not-yet-in-existence base car with reported 220 mile range to the Leaf. That would require that the Tesla also stop for a partial charge. So yes, the Leaf would need an extra 40 minutes or so. Maybe that comparison can be made in 2019. For now I’m enjoying my car.
My unbiased opinion just as Edmund's: The Leaf is the champion thanks not only for it's low price but mostly to it's advanced battery temperature management system. So extraordinary it does not draw any energy from the battery and performs so well in the southern states that actually the Leaf nor only maintains it's value but actually appreciates and gain lots of range the more you drive it in hot climates!
Charlie ... Gains range?
Is that why the 2018 Nissan Leaf battery warranty is for nine(9) "segments" out of twelve(12) "segments" in eight(8) years or 100k miles? ... and it states that if you're below 9 of 12 (75%?) segments, the battery the warranty is apparently only to get the car back to 9 segments / 75%?
"Gains lots of range"? ... Please elaborate.
(remove space) owners.nissanusa .com/content/techpub/ManualsAndGuides/LEAF/2018/2018-LEAF-warranty-booklet.pdf
Kradius Yep, I stand by my comment and on the other hand, those who don't believe in unicorns (or these "reviews") will be receiving our Model 3s in a couple weeks. P.s. is sarcasm dead?
Charlie ... You stand by your comment, but you can't substantiate it?
Why do we need Edmund review if we can chose which EV to buy base only on the price point?
Carl Knott LOL good point.
because great director of photography, structure of the script and commentary, editing. Some say you can polish a turd, i would say you cant. it just smears... so what they have here is not a turd.....Maybe.... Maybe if you agree with them it will make you warm and fuzzy,... so yeah. that is the answer; bias warm and fuzzy. "i new i was right, that model three is a pile of @#$%^%$#@#$^" kind of thing.... :)
ENTERTAINMENT. IF YOUR SERIOUS ABOUT BUYING YOU'LL NEED MORE THAN 7 MINUTES TO DECIDE.
Model 3 😍😍😍
Although I’d probably end up buying the other two because ya know.... 💰💰💰
Calling the $35k model3 "vaporware" is quite ignorant at best. The fact that you cannot buy the $35k one right now has always been the plan at Tesla, even if it wasn't your plan.
Whats the frequency Kenneth obviously not, because non-$35k are selling quite well. Maybe you think that's supposed to be the selling point to you. But it wasn't supposed to be the selling point at first. Maybe one day it will be (I expect it will be) but not right now.
1. The Bolt Today is just about the best Value in an Electric car. They are extremely reliable and have a very well engineered drivetrain. The Bolt can easily exceed its 240 mile EPA range in the real world. You can walk into a dealer and buy an Bolt at a discount and receive the full tax credit. The Big problem with the Bolt is styling. The Bolt is an 40k that looks and feels like an 18k car. You can literarily see every bit cost cutting made by GM. The Bolt is simply the best Value in an Electric car you can buy today. The best Electric transportation tool.
2. The Tesla 3 is an excellent overall automobile. Easily one of the best 50k cars money can buy. Excellent range and Power. The Tesla 3 can actually outperform most of its ICE competition. Tesla did a wonderful job on its design. The huge advantage Tesla has over the Electric car competition is its supercharger network and over the air updates. Tesla has 4 superchargers in the Washington DC area alone. Four more coming this year. Most people will charge at home. If you are running late for a meeting with no charge in the car you can stop and charge at an Supercharger for 15 min and get 85 miles of range. The problem with the 3 is the everything works through the screen controls. I understand what Tesla is trying to accomplish. When they get to the point where you can tell your car to set the temperature to 65 degrees it will be an fantastic system. For now it makes almost any function an 3 steep process that distracts from your driving. Also all that power and acceleration comes at a cost. That seems to be real world efficiency. It is very hard to imagine any person that has a 50k automobile budget picking the leaf or the Bolt over the TM3.
3. Unless you are doing an short term Lease. Nissan cut too many corners on the Leafs drivetrain. IE an air cooled battery in an 2018 Electric car. As far as I can tell a large percentage leafs made to this point have had problems with battery degradation. How bad is it. A good percentage 2012 Leafs and Volts have about the same real world range. The Volts with there liquid cooled batteries still have the same 40 mile range they had when new vs many leafs of the same area are hard pressed to go 60 miles on a full charge. An air cooled battery also limits how fast you can charge without overheating the battery. The 2020 long range Leaf will be liquid cooled and heated. If Nissan can keep the price close to 35k they will have an very good electric car. If it has to be priced much higher Nissan will no longer have an competitive product.
As for me? I have an vaporware car on order. An 41k Blue short range Tesla 3.
If more people cared, the world would be a better place.
I tried all three. The Tesla Model 3 the clear winner by far, its awesome!! Just ordered one.
We own a Bolt EV. I'm a large guy and the Leaf's limited seat movement and lack of tilt steering wheel put it out of contention. Also the Leaf with lack of battery active thermal management is a huge problem for battery longevity and DC fast charge capability. The Tesla is simply just too expensive and the interior is more of a modern art project than practical from a human interface stand point. Though it will be interesting to see what the base Model 3 interior will actually look like (if they every actually make it in decent numbers).
Erik Stephens you’re wrong about the Model 3 interior. I don’t blame you for thinking that based on photos of it, but after using it for several weeks now I can honestly say the traditional dash cluttered with hard-coded plastic buttons is the past. Touch screen for all controls is the future. Once you’re used to it, driving conventional ICE cars just feels like a joke.
It’s good that the Leaf is cheap because I’d basically have to get a second car to go anywhere. My sister lives 170 miles away and with the Leaf I’d have to stop halfway and recharge it to get there. Whereas with the Bolt or Tesla I could get there on one charge.
AND isn’t the whole point of having an electric car to replace your gas powered one?
I guess the Edmunds guys must be doing well for themselves to be so cavalier about range.
I'd say the Leaf is not a car for the single car family. But for most families, who have 2 or more cars, a Leaf is great as the everyday commuter while the other car could be a gas powered car that gives the most range of all!!
Really annoying that they do not know the difference between kW and kWh.
Nissan is not coming out with a 60kW Leaf, that makes no sense since the old car had a 80 kW motor and the 2018 has 110-120 kW motor.
Nissan might introduce a car with 60kWh battery for longer range. Edmunds testers should know better...
Not might introduce, it's definitely confirmed by Nissan long ago in the leafs reveal conference.
Does the leaf keep track of the speed limit by reading the signs? That's very important for assiting the driver with true adaptive cruise control
Correction: the longest range EV you can buy today is actually the Model S 100D (340 miles~).
Dude in the bolt forgot about the little paddle on the back of the wheel for on-the-fly regen brake control? So you don't have to keep shifting between D and L.
Leaf is the only one without a battery cooling system......yikes. Meanwhile Edmunds never touched on it.
he's right, it stopped me from purchase due to hot area: Phoenix
My biggest problem with the Leaf is the lack of any battery cooling whatsoever! Don't buy if you live in Arizona! Battery degredation big time!
Why doesn't gm take the bolt drive train then put it in a more attractive car.
Because they don't really want people buying them - that much is obvious from the fact that they are restricting availability in non ZEV states, including Canada. You could buy a model 3 in Canada and get it sooner than a Bolt, because they allocate 10 or fewer Bolts to Canada every year. At least, that's what it seems like, if you talk to Chevy dealers here.
Because, GM doesn't make the Bolt drivetrain OR the instrument cluster. That is all LG Chem. It is more or LG Chem's car than it is GM's. PLUS, what Colin Fox said.
I was astounded to see Edmunds didn't cover the thermal management systems (or Leaf's lack thereof) in this awesome review.
That Leaf Battery gets cooking after a discharge, recharge, discharge. I really don't see why it doesnt melt down like Fukashima or Chernobyl nuke reactors!
Too bad the leaf doesn't have active cooling for the battery. It's range is going to drop really fast compared to the model 3. Also where is the leafs charging network? You're not going on any long range trips in the leaf or the bolt so you gotta own two cars. In the end the 3 is the best vaule.
Nooooooooooooooooooo! Not at its current 50k minimum price point.
The Leaf’s charging network is the Nissan dealers - most have rapid chargers. And they’re free. Other than that, there are more CHAdeMO chargers than any other type. Where Tesla wins is placement- strategically putting their chargers at locations to allow for coast to coast travel.
"most have rapid chargers" - Yea that's simply not true. Most I've encountered have maybe a single level 2 charger that is blocked by dealer vehicles most of the time. Even if it wasn't blocked there's always a chance of someone else using it which could potentially double the time it takes to charge cause you have to wait for them first. On level 2 you're talking 6 hours of charging for a decent range.
At least with superchargers you get a minimum of 4 stalls per location and they're much more reliable than CHAdeMO.
My state (Iowa) doesn't have a single CHAdeMO charger but it has many supercharger stalls/locations.
"there are more CHAdeMO chargers than any other type." - Yea I'm not sure that's true either unless you live in Japan or the UK. There are far more supercharging locations / stalls in the US than there are CHAdeMO.
Yeah the Midwest is not very EV-friendly. Going by the numbers in the U.S.: 1,780 CHAdeMO chargers, 1,249 J1772 Combo, 391(?) Supercharger stations (not chargers, hard to find US-specific info).
They do have active cooling. They do not have LIQUID active cooling. I talked to a guy who works on hybrid and electric cars and reconditions the batteries as a hobby, and he's an actual rocket scientist who knows battery technology inside and out. He said Nissan fixed the range degradation several years ago with their dragon battery.
It still gets hot and doesn't charge as fast, but it no longer prematurely degrades the range from what he's observed in several of his customers' cars in Phoenix.
Lovely.
Thanks for this review.
Go greater @Nissan!
Base model 3 is vapourware? Oh come on, it's the same production ramp up as on Model S, from a new auto company. Perspective? Honesty?
Base Model 3. Think of it as a 2019 model.
You can buy a $35K Model 3 right now?!
I think you guys did an excellent review of these three cars. Seems there's something out there for everyone.
How can you not address the supercharger network that Tesla has? That alone puts it over the top.
Driving from Ohio to OBX in my model 3 soon. Not worried. Not needing a 2nd car with a Tesla is a big cost savings.
1.Model 3 2.bolt 3.leaf
Based on... what, range?
Are you rating them by price?
I agree. When it comes to tech, looks, and overall driving capabilities Tesla wins.
I guess that justifies the price difference
Alan Bowers That's what Edmunds did. They rated the cars based on price.
you failed to mention where are you supposed to charge the chevy and the nissan, basically you are tied around your house
Leaf at $38k. Tesla at $50k and you take leaf over Tesla because of price?!?
That $12k difference gets you...
Way better looking
Way faster
Way better handling
Way better stereo
Way more awesome features
Tesla super chargers
Dble the range
AP hardware so you can upgrade later via a simple software unlock an any time
Need I go on?!?
Stupid choice. Wow
the Model3 is still an ugly car and looks weird (ModelS looks the best)...
its much faster but that don't matter for everyday driving..
better handling is code for stiff ride (the road isn't a racetrack so it don't matter)..
better stereo (i don't think so, the leaf got a option to upgrade)
not sure what other features you talking about...
Tesla superchargers isn't free for Model3 (you got to pay for each use)..
more range which is good..
i guess any car you can upgrade hardware and software (i'm not sure where you going with that)...
plz go on....
Yeah, I agree. If the Bolt or Leaf were $10k cheaper maybe I would agree with them but for a little more you get so much more car with the Model 3.
Definitely the model 3 then if that’s the case. I’d have to go with it anyways, since it looks a lot better. I have a heavy lead foot, so the Tesla is the better way to go. I may give the bolt a look, only because the car brand is something I’m familiar with. If I have an extra 12k$ to 15k$ to spare, I’d buy the Tesla.
"Way more awesome features"
Spoken like a 12 year old... do you know what $12000 is kid? that is the cost OF A NEW ICE CAR...
What else does $12k get you? I could vacation in Hawaii for two weeks at a time, several times over the course of 4 years for $12k. That price difference is a whole third of the cost of the top-model Leaf.
Some of us aren't raging car snobs who won't settle for anything but the best. Even the base-model 2018 Leaf is more than enough for me. That knocks off another 8 grand for an eye-watering difference of $20,000.
I'm really not going to notice the difference in my daily life. I only test that ~300 km range a whopping twice, maybe three times per year.
I'd rather have the money, kthx.
Curious how a used refurb Model S would fit in this picture, since some are available in the same price range.
Hard to believe that they would pass up on the Tesla Model 3. Despite its price.
56 grand is a huge chunk of money, if they ever actually make a 35k version this will be no contest at all.
MsSomeonenew you dont have to go for 56k. You can always chose the 44k which have 500km
MsSomeonenew why is everyone talking about the 35k version as if it won't ever actually happen. It is coming, thier are now 2 modle 3 production lines and production is ramping up.
Well, actually, it is $35 000. You don't even have to struggle, here it is: www.tesla.com/en_EU/model3
And yes, I know, that for $35 000 the car is much worse, than for $55 000. But you can buy it.
Bolt! By far the best value! And the car is really nice.
279? Model 3 range is 310. It's also not the highest range Ev you can buy. Model s 100d is.
Yeah, but you know, fuck the facts, right??? What did you expect from "Edmunds"? LOL
When I was considering which electric vehicle to buy I was basing my decision on a) RANGE b) technology and c) comfort/looks I commute to work daily and sold my Ford F150 due to it only getting 18-21 MPG at best on the freeway. I looked really hard at the Volt and Prius Prime before deciding to go all electric but they seemed too small inside, I also drove the Camry Hybrid which was really nice and roomy but in the end I decided I wanted to stop buying gasoline. With the 310 mile range of the Tesla I would not have to charge as often. I also really liked the Enhanced Auto Pilot on the Tesla and also all the innovation built into the car. Of course all of that comes at a higher price, for me it wasn't about the price per se it was more about the possibilities of this Model 3 growing with more over the air software updates and eventually getting to autonomous driving one day. I pick up my new Model 3 AWD Long Range on Monday and I cannot wait to be able to drive it everyday!
It should be model 3 vs 3 series vs a4 vs c class
Well done! Great comparison video
The best EV reviews are by owners. For instance check out newscoulumb. He's put over 50k miles on his Bolt EV in 1 year and does road trips. He's very honest about any issues he's had. The Bolt EV is not the most luxurious but he goes places with it you wouldn't take a 50k + Tesla model 3 like camping in the mountains.
I've taken my Model S camping in the mountains 4 times already. It's awesome for that. The 3 wouldn't be quite as nice since it's smaller. They also have the "camper mode" you can use to heat or air condition your temp. Came in real handy camping in the Pocono mountains when it was 0 degrees F overnight.
Newscoulumb is an awesome TH-cam channel. He shows just how capable the Bolt EV is. And he is good at showing techniques at maximising it's capabilities.
Yes, that guy does make great videos of the Bolt in real world conditions. He's like the Chevy Bolt's Bjorn Nyland.
evtrekker13! I like the comment you made, thanks for that. However, of all of newscoulumb's videos where he does trips, if you add up the hours of charging... they are massive compared to what any tesla's would be. Especially the long range model 3. When the 220 mile model three comes out, i think you will find it can charge much more than 34 or 42 kW from the start on a low charge.. more like 80kw if their track record is anything. All in all, i think a model 3, or a used model S, would have saved him half of the charging time that he has currently spent on his trips. What is super awesome is he is willing to buy the car and take the time doing the charging and consistently, month after month, show the youtube world that it is possible and not that impractical. I feel it will still take years for people to calculate their time spend during the day, see what they can do while they are charging, and try to apply those tasks to their calendar/schedules to be done while they are waiting for their cars to charge. How many hours do you spend on your phone/tablet/computer that could be spent at a charging station and not affect your day negatively? Charging stations are going to become hangouts. They will become hangouts for the lone people that just want some time away from the world, or a place where people can gather and possibly be social. Either way, it could likely lead to people enjoying life more rather than "suffer waiting at the charger". As an owner of two EVs myself, i am happy to see this change. As an owner of two EVs myself, i have some validity by way of experience. As an owner of two EVs myself, i too have shared my experiences through youtube video reviews. Many people have benefited from the information and details and that makes me happy!
Thanks for your reply. I've Subscribed to your channel back when you got your leaf and really enjoy the one on your spark EV. You have a gift for humor.
As for News Coulomb I do remember him talking about the Bolt EV being able to charge up to 80 KW in one of his early videos. It would be cool to see what would happen when Evgo start making those available.
Until then it would be interesting to get his opinion on this article.
Good piece of information.
Although Tesla Model 3 is from a superior league.
Leaf - 60kWh, active battery management. Is that a fan & heater or the AC blowing across the battery, or a legit liquid managed (doubt it) battery pack who knows.
Good review. Looks like the Leaf and Bolt have come a long way. What I heard them say is Tesla Model 3, but if cost is a factor you can get by comfortably with the Leaf.