The only way to build urban motorways is tunnelling. If you have an unlimited budget to do so. In fairness, continued investment in public transport is what will best benefit London and other cities across the UK. Ideally, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds/Bradford, Sheffield, Liverpool, Cardiff and Edinburgh would all have proper metro systems and Glasgow, Tyneside and Londons would all be more extensive. Even the smaller cities like Bristol, Southampton, Nottingham, Leicester, Aberdeen, Swansea and co would also all have some form of metro system.
Yes the future is active travel but we need to push or rather force the government to invest in public transport rather than pointless road widening schemes
The bridges wrt the M12 can be seen north of the Redbridge junction. It was planed to sythe through the houses to much where the A12 cutting is now towards Hackney.
Very informative video, nice to see my clip in there 😂. Do you know if the M15 number was for the whole of Ringway 2 or just the section south of the M11?
I am old enough to remember what Ilford Lane and East Ham High Road were like before the A406 was built. By the time the A406 relief road was built any notion of the M15 had long gone, Phase Two was going to be from the A13 to Thamesmead though many plans for the bridge came and went. In the end it was though dumping all that traffic from the A406 on to residential streets around Thamesmead and Plumstead would cause gridlock so the Thames crossing was also abandoned. Interestingly the new roads built around Beckon were designed with the crossing in mind, there's a bridge over the DLR that was planned to be the approach road to the junction from the new road to Beckton and the airport. It's still there.
Still think a crossing is needed to give another alternative to Blackwall or Dartford. Bringing it down to A2 would mean traffic in SE London would then have option so taking some traffic from Dartford.
Cor what a brucey bonus that would have been, a true collector feed of Wet Spam ice cream fans chundering along a lovely route to make their way to us Millwall lot lying in wait in Thamesmead, gets my vote... funny really as my late grandmother bless her became a true thorn in the side of the Ringways blasting everyone and anyone by mail or fone if they even mentioned a new road building programme within 100 miles of her sleepy south London suburb, I suspect the only reason she got so involved and thought of was me granddad was an exec on the old GLC and she wielded that hammer at every opportunity until I suspect they gave in under that constant barrage from old ladies giving it large and wandering about with leaflets and sandwich boards :P
if they went for the trumpet style interchange that they "planned" or were planning for the m5, m50 and m42 interchange, then it would of costed less money
The only way to build urban motorways is tunnelling. If you have an unlimited budget to do so. In fairness, continued investment in public transport is what will best benefit London and other cities across the UK.
Ideally, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds/Bradford, Sheffield, Liverpool, Cardiff and Edinburgh would all have proper metro systems and Glasgow, Tyneside and Londons would all be more extensive.
Even the smaller cities like Bristol, Southampton, Nottingham, Leicester, Aberdeen, Swansea and co would also all have some form of metro system.
Yes the future is active travel but we need to push or rather force the government to invest in public transport rather than pointless road widening schemes
I like this kind of content. Great unfinished motorway out there
@@Collectiveshorts and there's loads more to cover
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Has anyone done modelling to see if the traffic would be better or worse on existing residential roads if these ringways projects were actually built?
@@eurojamie oh they knew alright they just didn't care all for the sake of progress
The bridges wrt the M12 can be seen north of the Redbridge junction. It was planed to sythe through the houses to much where the A12 cutting is now towards Hackney.
Very informative video, nice to see my clip in there 😂. Do you know if the M15 number was for the whole of Ringway 2 or just the section south of the M11?
Thought you'd like it, it's not clear whether or not it was to apply to the whole of the Ringway 2 route or not
I am old enough to remember what Ilford Lane and East Ham High Road were like before the A406 was built. By the time the A406 relief road was built any notion of the M15 had long gone, Phase Two was going to be from the A13 to Thamesmead though many plans for the bridge came and went. In the end it was though dumping all that traffic from the A406 on to residential streets around Thamesmead and Plumstead would cause gridlock so the Thames crossing was also abandoned.
Interestingly the new roads built around Beckon were designed with the crossing in mind, there's a bridge over the DLR that was planned to be the approach road to the junction from the new road to Beckton and the airport. It's still there.
I did notice that, the stub over the DLR, Bryn Buck and Jay Foreman made their own pretty good videos on it
Didn’t realise it was planned to go that far south.
So apparently the M15 motorway would of taken part of the A406 North Circular Road down to Barking and over or underneath the River Thames.
Exactly, to put it lightly yes
Still think a crossing is needed to give another alternative to Blackwall or Dartford.
Bringing it down to A2 would mean traffic in SE London would then have option so taking some traffic from Dartford.
Cor what a brucey bonus that would have been, a true collector feed of Wet Spam ice cream fans chundering along a lovely route to make their way to us Millwall lot lying in wait in Thamesmead, gets my vote... funny really as my late grandmother bless her became a true thorn in the side of the Ringways blasting everyone and anyone by mail or fone if they even mentioned a new road building programme within 100 miles of her sleepy south London suburb, I suspect the only reason she got so involved and thought of was me granddad was an exec on the old GLC and she wielded that hammer at every opportunity until I suspect they gave in under that constant barrage from old ladies giving it large and wandering about with leaflets and sandwich boards :P
For the thumbnail, a but doesn’t need to come before the yet since but and yet are the same thing 😊
Oh thanks for that ❤️
if they went for the trumpet style interchange that they "planned" or were planning for the m5, m50 and m42 interchange, then it would of costed less money
The original layout for the M50 to M5 junction was a trumpet layout prior to the 90's when the M5 was widened
@@UK.RoadsCyclingandTransport cool and I'm assuming that it would of continued to the M40 and M42 interchange
@@DaSpecialZak looking at the plans at the time the junction with the M42 possibly would've been a bodge job of a layout with a loop included
I thought it was adding a service station that killed the free flow and added yet another dumb roundabout to the motorway network.
It would've also worked as an extension of the M11 motorway
The M11 was originally planned to meet Ringway 1 further into London