Michigan,Ohio State, and Penn State have always competed against the SEC on near equal terms. The problem was those schools all played in the old Big Ten East division where only one (Usually Michigan or Ohio State) could win it before beating the Big Ten West champ which never could win the conference in the four team playoff era. Big Ten west programs such as Iowa and Wisconsin were seen as solid programs,but not national champ level. The SEC more often than not could produce championship level teams from both its east and west divisions.That gave the SEC the appearence of being a stronger conference top to bottom. Even this year the SEC wants to tell itself that they have about 7 playoff caliber teams while the B1G has 3 because Indiana is not a traditonal Big Ten elite school and doesn't really belong in the playoff because they got lucky playing a "soft" schedule. What's changed is that the B1G has added former PAC 12 schools with a history of producing championship level football teams such as Oregon,USC,and Washington,that have played for national championships in last 20 years,or made the 4 team playoff over the last 10. Had the fourth B1G school to make the playoff been USC instead of Indiana,the SEC and their media supporters wouldn't have been able to say anything because USC meets the standard of being an elite "brand" that sells on TV.
There should not be any top 25 rankings until after the 5th full week of games . The pre season rankings are done so the sports shows have something to talk about 24 hrs a day.
I would not have the committee rank teams until the penultimate weekend or meet the weekend of the conference finals and place teams in the bracket then, just like basketball.
Paying players is now legal , and if you combine that with the transfer portal you don't have to sit behind a more talented starter and wait your turn necessarily when you could fill a gap at another team. So it does two things the SEC cannot build depth the way they used to, and everyone else can offer someone a big bag of cash
Agreed, It helps your conference when you have one of the greatest coaches of all time for 10+ years. Every win over them looks better and every loss to them doesn't look as bad.
Even if you think it was over rated it was still better than the Big 10 top to bottom damn near every year since the early to mid 2000’s But it’s always Go Buckeyes
@kevinchavis8462 No, not really. They were paying players under the table. Kind of like the bucknuts. But now that it's legal, Michigan will be taking back its rightful place atop the college football world.
In no other area of college football in the US does one conference dominate the way the SEC, mostly SEC west, Alabama and Saban, has for twenty years. It can be explained. Most of us outside of the SEC fan base could care less about conference pride, but it seems to be important for these fans. And if it was just a north-south talent disparity, why isn’t the southern part of the ACC equally as dominant? Do southern teams dominate FCS, divisions 2,3, or NAIA? No, in fact at those levels, national champions have come from all areas of the country and often from up north. Football talent location is primarily based on population. The most populated states, excluding NY and IL as their entire state population exists almost exclusively in two of the largest cities in the country, produce the most D1 players. Texas, California, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Georgia are all the most heavily populated states and produce the most D1 football players. The difference in D1 college football the last two years has become the transfer portal. For years, the SEC West teams would over-sign players and move recruiting mistakes off the roster as necessary. These teams would often have three to four, 5-star starters at each position, especially on the D Line. The best players would thrive and the recruiting misses would be paid off with an education or given a ticket to another school, but they were off the roster opening up the way for a new scholarship for a brand new 5-star stud. The teams always had five star athletes, and if they didn’t start in year two or earlier, they’d be gone. Those teams ran themselves like an NFL franchise. Unethical maybe, but not illegal. But it gave the impression that many of these SEC West schools possessed more talent than teams in other conferences who didn’t run their program in the same manner. SEC schools also concentrate sports in football and basketball with 16-18 D1 sports, while most Big 10, Pac 10 and Big 12 schools support 35 on average. The money for coaches and facilities is concentrated in to a few sports. Meanwhile, other conferences lived with their recruiting mistakes and allowed players to stick around and get an education staying on the roster, and even though scholarships are only for one year at a time, the schools mostly kept their 4 years and a degree promise to the student-athletes. Over the last few years, athletes can move from school to school without sacrificing any years of eligibility which has been the tradition for decades. They can be paid handsomely with NIL and they don’t have to wait their turn or compete with an equally gifted athlete at an Alabama or LSU. They can go to another school and start right away. In any population, there is a limited number of D1 top talent. Instead of concentrating that talent within 4-5 SEC West teams, the talent is distributing naturally, more evenly. ESPN can’t spin this in any way any longer after the last two years of results of head-to-head competition, and the dominance of any league is over at this level of college football. That’s good in any sport for fans and student-athletes, unless you’re an SEC fan and derive some personal pride from this situation, despite never having played for an SEC team or having even put a pair of shoulder pads and helmet on at any level. The SEC will now compete with all conferences for talent, won’t be able to hoard talent, and may the best schools win. What could be an issue for the sport is that the most well-financed schools will always dominate. Going to have to be a cap like the NFL at some point.
The only thing I would add is the SEC absolutely had unethical practices and got away with it because it stopped pretending it was focusing on academics. If you survey the players and their majors (which used to be listed on the television games) you will see majors like recreation or non challenging fields. I would suggest they create a major of football. As Cardell Jones said “I didn’t come here to play no school.” Let them learn how to do public speaking, read contracts, manage and invest money, select agents and how to present themselves in public.
@@jeffkeel7832 "Unethical but not illegal" is all you have to say about not honoring 4-year scholarships? For years the SEC put the interests of the school over the interest of the player.
It all depends on what happens with the NIL and transfer portal long term. The teams with the most MONEY will succeed (regardless of conference). All the court cases, college presidents, AD’s, and commissioners will determine the “rules” but right now MONEY rules
The SEC has been the Nick Saban and flare-up team of the year show. Now, there is no more Coach Saban, and reality is setting in. That having been said, 1 season does not a trend make.
ND should have to join a conference if they joined Big Ten then be no more excuses from SEC that they best conf. Big ten would definitely be as good or better.
Once the gap between receiving “benefits” to those not, the pendulum begins to swing. Instead of having 2&3 star recruits to develop, it’s now 4&5 star. Michigan lost to 3 top 11 teams a #22 and last years runner-up without a Division 1 quarterback, maybe a division 2 quarterback. The BIG was better last season as well.
The whole system was rigged heavily for the sec...when they signed that massive t.v. contract with espn however many years ago.some of those BCS title games were absolutely awful...lsu plays bama beats them and bama has another shot in the title game?...just nonsense...nil was the death blow...couldn't stack talent...I love it...playing field is as even as it's ever been...
Opinions are like noses, everybody has one. You are a quarter true with your opinion here. The SEC has been down the past 2 years. The reason you can see that is where is USCe? And no, but at Illinois is not that great a coach. Does Auburn teams that you thought were not worth the hill of beans dominated his butt. Putting a whipping on this South Carolina team doesn't mean anything to me. I agree with you that those rankings are way too high, and then Auburn should not be a top 10 team. I am an Auburn fan that believes you freeze needs to earn it. I am also an Auburn fan that knows he's done it before. Let us see what happens this next year. It was nice seeing the Big ten be competitive this year and last. But let us be honest with this, only Ohio State,PSU, in Michigan. When the SEC is in a good place there's at least 7 to 8 teams that are really good So after me nice opinion, does it mean anything until next year
I don’t really think 7/8 are competitive most yrs. It’s really been Georgia and Alabama dominance with lsu popping up here and there. Auburn hasn’t been good in a long time. I would put Florida ahead of auburn, but they are essentially usc in big ten, good enough to be a thorn, to limited currently to win a championship.
The SEC needs to play 9 conference games and stop playing inferior teams just to get an extra win. The B10 has more money and if it wants, has 6 teams that are capable of competing against anyone; OSU, Mich, PSU, Oregon, USC, Washington with surprise teams popping up each year. NIL and transfer portal has changed the entire landscape. If I was a recruit would I rather go to LA or Tuscaloosa?
If Bama can get a real QB they can probably easily be top 10. I think Miami can possibly get there if D improves and have decent starting QB next season. Michigan possibly too like you said.
I want to see a better defense for Bama first. I would agree if the Saban defense was still there but they fell off this year and I haven't seen much to improve their defense this offseason.
So why do you think they are transferring and not waiting their turn? Because they can get payed any were now! In the sec domination years you had to go to the sec to get paid.
@SteveAllen-x2m I think they should cap freshman nil money so it doesn't have anything 2 do with recruiting.. you might see better players going where they can start ball out and leave as sophomores 2 chase that money
The Big Ten has bought out all of the best players that use to be in the SEC schools it's more than just recruiting. It's a known fact that the best explosive athletes are developed down in the south the SEC schools is already located down south so normally the players could just stay close to home and play at one of these schools rather than going way up north in the cold or way out west but because of these huge NIL deals and Teams making huge offers to get them those other conferences are spending the most money to get all of the best players and that's what changed everything and it shifted the power over to the Big 10 from the SEC
Its not just NIL.Its the B1G having a media deal that generates more money for its schools than the SEC media deal with ESPN. The B1G by having three network partners in FOX,CBS, and NBC, and a bigger geographical footprint playing coast to coast, also has more exposure for its schools. The SEC and ESPN keep expecting the rest of America to care about the southern based SEC as if it were a national promotion.
Won 4 and lost 7 games the Big Ten did during the regular season against the schools from power conferences. Ohio state did not play one school from a power conference. This is just luck that the Big ten is doing so good in the post season. Brag Brag And more brag !
@@TheBigTenHuddlePodcast 8-5 is the only reason Michigan is not getting any attention right now. I'm betting by the end of Next Sept. or early in Oct. Michigan is a top ten school.
If 1 year makes the sec dead a gone how after almost 20 years of dominance are the rest of the conferences still up and running. Sec not gone or dead and will be right back next season and is about to dominate basketball so stop it sec still the best conference
now everyone can pay their players, the sec has been doing this for 20 YEARS.. the playing field has been leveled and sec fans are crying me a river,, waaaaaaa !
@herchelleonwood7463 😂 no crying here just letting you know that you getting false hope is not gone help you one that remains true history repeats itself and history is sec dominace in college football. We not going nowhere and we will reload and be right back next season you can't say that but keep hoping it's just funny how yall fall for this so often. 😂
@@bruceseals584The top of your conference +OSU has benefited from multiple 5* recruitment for a long time, but that’s over with NIL. Good luck to you. GO BLUE
Paying players is now legal , and if you combine that with the transfer portal you don't have to sit behind a more talented starter and wait your turn necessarily when you could fill a gap at another team. So it does two things the SEC cannot build depth the way they used to, and everyone else can offer someone a big bag of cash
SEC compensated its players for years illegally before NIL began.
hellcats
Everyone can buy players now
Michigan,Ohio State, and Penn State have always competed against the SEC on near equal terms. The problem was those schools all played in the old Big Ten
East division where only one (Usually Michigan or Ohio State) could win it before beating the Big Ten West champ which never could win the conference in the
four team playoff era. Big Ten west programs such as Iowa and Wisconsin were seen as solid programs,but not national champ level.
The SEC more often than not could produce championship level teams from both its east and west divisions.That gave the SEC the appearence of being
a stronger conference top to bottom. Even this year the SEC wants to tell itself that they have about 7 playoff caliber teams while the B1G has 3 because
Indiana is not a traditonal Big Ten elite school and doesn't really belong in the playoff because they got lucky playing a "soft" schedule.
What's changed is that the B1G has added former PAC 12 schools with a history of producing championship level football teams such as Oregon,USC,and
Washington,that have played for national championships in last 20 years,or made the 4 team playoff over the last 10.
Had the fourth B1G school to make the playoff been USC instead of Indiana,the SEC and their media supporters wouldn't have been able to say anything
because USC meets the standard of being an elite "brand" that sells on TV.
That's why I think the emergence of programs like Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, and Iowa investing more in their programs is huge.
I beg to differ
I was happy to see the Big Ten beat the sec in the bowl games. I hope Ohio State keeps it going.
Same here, Doug. If Ohio State beats Texas, it'll be the first time in program history they beat two SEC teams in the same season.
@@DougSheppardSr but Ohio State cheated in the offseason to obtain this roster. How can you support cheaters?
I have no issue with the SEC. I just want ESPN who promoted to go under.
There should not be any top 25 rankings until after the 5th full week of games . The pre season rankings are done so the sports shows have something to talk about 24 hrs a day.
This is correct. I would contend possibly later than week 5, but I agree the rankings should come later.
I would not have the committee rank teams until the penultimate weekend or meet the weekend of the conference finals and place teams in the bracket then, just like basketball.
Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, Michigan can play with anybody.
Clearly, the most really good teams are up north, which means they're in the B1G.
Paying players is now legal , and if you combine that with the transfer portal you don't have to sit behind a more talented starter and wait your turn necessarily when you could fill a gap at another team. So it does two things the SEC cannot build depth the way they used to, and everyone else can offer someone a big bag of cash
Yes, the SEC has been overrated for a long time. Saban carried the entire conference.
Agreed, It helps your conference when you have one of the greatest coaches of all time for 10+ years. Every win over them looks better and every loss to them doesn't look as bad.
Saban saw the writing on the wall and bailed
@@TheBigTenHuddlePodcastSaban bailed at the Right time
Even if you think it was over rated it was still better than the Big 10 top to bottom damn near every year since the early to mid 2000’s But it’s always Go Buckeyes
@kevinchavis8462 No, not really. They were paying players under the table. Kind of like the bucknuts. But now that it's legal, Michigan will be taking back its rightful place atop the college football world.
In no other area of college football in the US does one conference dominate the way the SEC, mostly SEC west, Alabama and Saban, has for twenty years. It can be explained.
Most of us outside of the SEC fan base could care less about conference pride, but it seems to be important for these fans.
And if it was just a north-south talent disparity, why isn’t the southern part of the ACC equally as dominant? Do southern teams dominate FCS, divisions 2,3, or NAIA? No, in fact at those levels, national champions have come from all areas of the country and often from up north.
Football talent location is primarily based on population. The most populated states, excluding NY and IL as their entire state population exists almost exclusively in two of the largest cities in the country, produce the most D1 players.
Texas, California, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Georgia are all the most heavily populated states and produce the most D1 football players.
The difference in D1 college football the last two years has become the transfer portal. For years, the SEC West teams would over-sign players and move recruiting mistakes off the roster as necessary. These teams would often have three to four, 5-star starters at each position, especially on the D Line. The best players would thrive and the recruiting misses would be paid off with an education or given a ticket to another school, but they were off the roster opening up the way for a new scholarship for a brand new 5-star stud.
The teams always had five star athletes, and if they didn’t start in year two or earlier, they’d be gone. Those teams ran themselves like an NFL franchise. Unethical maybe, but not illegal.
But it gave the impression that many of these SEC West schools possessed more talent than teams in other conferences who didn’t run their program in the same manner.
SEC schools also concentrate sports in football and basketball with 16-18 D1 sports, while most Big 10, Pac 10 and Big 12 schools support 35 on average. The money for coaches and facilities is concentrated in to a few sports.
Meanwhile, other conferences lived with their recruiting mistakes and allowed players to stick around and get an education staying on the roster, and even though scholarships are only for one year at a time, the schools mostly kept their 4 years and a degree promise to the student-athletes.
Over the last few years, athletes can move from school to school without sacrificing any years of eligibility which has been the tradition for decades. They can be paid handsomely with NIL and they don’t have to wait their turn or compete with an equally gifted athlete at an Alabama or LSU. They can go to another school and start right away.
In any population, there is a limited number of D1 top talent. Instead of concentrating that talent within 4-5 SEC West teams, the talent is distributing naturally, more evenly.
ESPN can’t spin this in any way any longer after the last two years of results of head-to-head competition, and the dominance of any league is over at this level of college football. That’s good in any sport for fans and student-athletes, unless you’re an SEC fan and derive some personal pride from this situation, despite never having played for an SEC team or having even put a pair of shoulder pads and helmet on at any level.
The SEC will now compete with all conferences for talent, won’t be able to hoard talent, and may the best schools win.
What could be an issue for the sport is that the most well-financed schools will always dominate. Going to have to be a cap like the NFL at some point.
The only thing I would add is the SEC absolutely had unethical practices and got away with it because it stopped pretending it was focusing on academics. If you survey the players and their majors (which used to be listed on the television games) you will see majors like recreation or non challenging fields. I would suggest they create a major of football. As Cardell Jones said “I didn’t come here to play no school.” Let them learn how to do public speaking, read contracts, manage and invest money, select agents and how to present themselves in public.
@@jeffkeel7832 "Unethical but not illegal" is all you have to say about not honoring 4-year scholarships? For years the SEC put the interests of the school over the interest of the player.
It also shows that the SEC got the benefit of only 4 teams in. In no world would Ohio state made it in the past having 2 losses.
This is true. CFB has more parity now and it's a good thing we've expanded the playoffs to find the best team.
It all depends on what happens with the NIL and transfer portal long term. The teams with the most MONEY will succeed (regardless of conference). All the court cases, college presidents, AD’s, and commissioners will determine the “rules” but right now MONEY rules
Michigan will win everything.
NIL has changed the game. Just look at Indiana, Texas Tech, SMU… they can pay just as much if not more than most of the SEC & Big10
Indiana is Big10.
The SEC has been the Nick Saban and flare-up team of the year show. Now, there is no more Coach Saban, and reality is setting in. That having been said, 1 season does not a trend make.
Now it's coaching matters more than recruiting, since recruiting has been democratized by all programs using NIL or the transfer portal.
😁 Stop complaining SEC your dominance is over.😁
I'm tired of hearing about the SEC, trash Conference and trash people, go BIG TEN!
Just count the videos. It tells the ongoing story of the SEC.
ND should have to join a conference if they joined Big Ten then be no more excuses from SEC that they best conf. Big ten would definitely be as good or better.
Is this more a knock on not adding Michigan?
@@sunshinedesign michigan should certainly be a end of top ten teams based on returners and the way they finish the season.
Once the gap between receiving “benefits” to those not, the pendulum begins to swing. Instead of having 2&3 star recruits to develop, it’s now 4&5 star.
Michigan lost to 3 top 11 teams a #22 and last years runner-up without a Division 1 quarterback, maybe a division 2 quarterback. The BIG was better last season as well.
Ohio State NEEDS to beat Texas
The whole system was rigged heavily for the sec...when they signed that massive t.v. contract with espn however many years ago.some of those BCS title games were absolutely awful...lsu plays bama beats them and bama has another shot in the title game?...just nonsense...nil was the death blow...couldn't stack talent...I love it...playing field is as even as it's ever been...
Opinions are like noses, everybody has one. You are a quarter true with your opinion here. The SEC has been down the past 2 years. The reason you can see that is where is USCe? And no, but at Illinois is not that great a coach. Does Auburn teams that you thought were not worth the hill of beans dominated his butt. Putting a whipping on this South Carolina team doesn't mean anything to me.
I agree with you that those rankings are way too high, and then Auburn should not be a top 10 team. I am an Auburn fan that believes you freeze needs to earn it. I am also an Auburn fan that knows he's done it before.
Let us see what happens this next year. It was nice seeing the Big ten be competitive this year and last. But let us be honest with this, only Ohio State,PSU, in Michigan. When the SEC is in a good place there's at least 7 to 8 teams that are really good
So after me nice opinion, does it mean anything until next year
I don’t really think 7/8 are competitive most yrs. It’s really been Georgia and Alabama dominance with lsu popping up here and there. Auburn hasn’t been good in a long time. I would put Florida ahead of auburn, but they are essentially usc in big ten, good enough to be a thorn, to limited currently to win a championship.
The SEC needs to play 9 conference games and stop playing inferior teams just to get an extra win. The B10 has more money and if it wants, has 6 teams that are capable of competing against anyone; OSU, Mich, PSU, Oregon, USC, Washington with surprise teams popping up each year. NIL and transfer portal has changed the entire landscape. If I was a recruit would I rather go to LA or Tuscaloosa?
If Bama can get a real QB they can probably easily be top 10. I think Miami can possibly get there if D improves and have decent starting QB next season. Michigan possibly too like you said.
I want to see a better defense for Bama first. I would agree if the Saban defense was still there but they fell off this year and I haven't seen much to improve their defense this offseason.
So why do you think they are transferring and not waiting their turn? Because they can get payed any were now! In the sec domination years you had to go to the sec to get paid.
Changing the sport for better by leveling the playing field now we need revenue sharing 2 save certain non p4 teams who are deserving
I agree, more parity and an even playing level is better for the sport overall. Hopefully the media will catch on to this soon.
@@TheBigTenHuddlePodcast yes sir I fail 2 see how every champion getting a chance is bad 4 the game
They need to put a cap on nil.and a limit on how many times a player can transfer.
@SteveAllen-x2m I think they should cap freshman nil money so it doesn't have anything 2 do with recruiting.. you might see better players going where they can start ball out and leave as sophomores 2 chase that money
The Big Ten has bought out all of the best players that use to be in the SEC schools it's more than just recruiting. It's a known fact that the best explosive athletes are developed down in the south the SEC schools is already located down south so normally the players could just stay close to home and play at one of these schools rather than going way up north in the cold or way out west but because of these huge NIL deals and Teams making huge offers to get them those other conferences are spending the most money to get all of the best players and that's what changed everything and it shifted the power over to the Big 10 from the SEC
Its not just NIL.Its the B1G having a media deal that generates more money for its schools than the SEC media deal with ESPN. The B1G
by having three network partners in FOX,CBS, and NBC, and a bigger geographical footprint playing coast to coast, also has more exposure
for its schools. The SEC and ESPN keep expecting the rest of America to care about the southern based SEC as if it were a national promotion.
@@ChrisWalker-x6x You just hit the nail on the head.
Won 4 and lost 7 games the Big Ten did during the regular season against the schools from power conferences. Ohio state did not play one school from a power conference. This is just luck that the Big ten is doing so good in the post season. Brag Brag And more brag !
That’s why they need to put a cap on nil so it will keep the big money schools having an advantage.
@SteveAllen-x2m I totally agree the schools that pays the most money for players will always will be top heavy with all the best Athletes
ohio will never win it all with Mr 3rd base at coach..
Bama not in the top ten??? Cmon idiots
bammer sucks, their days are over!!
Big ten is now superior. Sorry. Now that players can be paid legally.big ten is much richer
Their next top ten better include Michigan. Lol
I agree, I would've put them or Illinois in before Auburn, Florida and South Carolina at least.
@@TheBigTenHuddlePodcast 8-5 is the only reason Michigan is not getting any attention right now. I'm betting by the end of Next Sept. or early in Oct. Michigan is a top ten school.
If 1 year makes the sec dead a gone how after almost 20 years of dominance are the rest of the conferences still up and running. Sec not gone or dead and will be right back next season and is about to dominate basketball so stop it sec still the best conference
now everyone can pay their players, the sec has been doing this for 20 YEARS.. the playing field has been leveled and sec fans are crying me a river,, waaaaaaa !
@herchelleonwood7463 😂 no crying here just letting you know that you getting false hope is not gone help you one that remains true history repeats itself and history is sec dominace in college football. We not going nowhere and we will reload and be right back next season you can't say that but keep hoping it's just funny how yall fall for this so often. 😂
@@bruceseals584 I know it will take time for the traditionally top heavy SECs fans to cope with this new situation 🤣
@bluesdoggg 😂 don't bet your house on it. Remember I warned you. We reload
@@bruceseals584The top of your conference +OSU has benefited from multiple 5* recruitment for a long time, but that’s over with NIL. Good luck to you. GO BLUE
Terrible click bait.lolloloooolool. Clemson??? Trash coach.
What? I genuinely don't know how this was click bait.
Paying players is now legal , and if you combine that with the transfer portal you don't have to sit behind a more talented starter and wait your turn necessarily when you could fill a gap at another team. So it does two things the SEC cannot build depth the way they used to, and everyone else can offer someone a big bag of cash
They need to put a cap on nil.
@@SteveAllen-x2m The SEC better hope for a cap. Big10 schools have larger, wealthier alumni (exceptions being Texas and Texas A&M).