I had a small Christmas gathering last year and a friend bragged about making 300k and tried to convinced everyone to invest in LUNA. Last week, I woke up to the news and checked up on him and was told he sold majority of his stock portfolio and went all in together with his wife savings. He succumbed to greed and now he couldn't break the news to his wife. To everyone who were affected, you are still young, you can recover from this.
That is fucking irresponsible on his part. Why must he dragged his wife along with it? I know it's probably greed but fuck me does he not know what risk management is? This is not a man who loves his wife, I'm telling you.
@@jambalaya428 Many couples leave the financial management to their other half. But I guess its hard to take in any criticisms or advice when you see your investment literally grew 6 folds in half a year. No point crying over spilt milk. Just wish to see those affected to look past the material possessions and there are many things far more valuable than that.
Being in the industry and investing in crypto and losing money 3 times including this Luna situation. I think the biggest hole in everyone own education is on the topic of personal finance and portfolio management. Never invest more than what you are willing to lose, this is the only thing that ensures your ability to both survive the crash and to bounce back.
I mean while the saying that never invest more than you are willing to lose has some wisdom, I do not think its entirely true, I do think you can invest more money then you can afford to lose but you really have to know what you are doing and DIVERSIFY, you never ever put all your eggs in one basket no matter how good of a deal it might be especially in such a volatile market like crypto, every type of markets have their up trends or down trends, and if you diversify even if one of the market crashes, you can steal make money from your other investments and the chances of every market crashing is really unlikely and even in those cases you probably have more issues then losing money. Of course that being said, it is easier said then done, else everyone would be rich and this Luna case is really an example of people just blindly trusting advocates for the crypto and really not having any sort of doubts about it or doing their own investments. Anything that involves money, you have to do your own research, get opinions from multiple sources.
Nothing in the world would guarantee you 20% interest per year. That alone should ring alarm bells. It's fine to trade rather than invest. But if you're trading, you need to get the hell out before everything crashes.
Thank you for sharing all these! Real good episode! Also in a way tdk is community, would love to join a discord group if you all plan to ever have one!
Can TDK do another podcast abt crypto? So much new developments have occurred, such as FTX's crash, and I'm quite interested to hear their views abt the compounding crashes in the scene in the past few months.
Affected but not heart pain coz did started with a $100 which turns to thousands over a year plus. Taking profit in between. Now from thousands crashed down to $300+. Oohhh well start again from scratch.
*_I am amazed no one questioned how the Anchor Protocol can be sustainable with a payout 20% annually to depositors when they are only getting 11% for the loans they give out using depositors funds._*
Many people questioned. And everyone was aware that it was artificially propped up. Analysis was done and people felt that the risk/reward was worth it, that’s why the money still flowed to Anchor
met kwon in 2018 when luna just started as a venture investor looking into blockchain space. To be honest, he avoided most of our questions around the sustainability and how it compared and differed from a previous textbook stablecoin failure: Basis - which kwon was allegedly a cofounder as well. Didn't find him overly proud back then, pretty nice guy but just quite avoidant and claimed that the algorithm this time will solve all the underlying issues. My firm back then passed on investing in luna for the better or for the worse..
Timely reminder for everyone to only get into trading/investing into vehicles that they truly understand and know. If you only understand TradFi, do that. Don't be tempted to do cryptotrading just because you've been taunted for being a "boomer" or feel left out when others earn their 10x, 100x returns. Just like it's name, PERSONAL finance is your own journey - don't let others dictate what you dabble in.
Advice for retail investors, do not always see the potential returns of crypto, do up research on the fundamentals of the crypto project before investing into the cryptocurrencies.
Unfortunately, most of them will only start asking how it works after it collapses. Before that, the returns are only what matter. Shoot first, ask questions later.
And then again, even if u do up research for Luna. Doesn't the self balancing algorithm sounds convincing? Moral of the story, even if research, things will still fail. Always practice risk management and don't meddle in something you don't know in
You guys shared your point about how web3's adoption if even greater than the internet but could there be other factors such as the $4T injection into the US economy, availability of information through social media and at the same time the spread of misinformation which encourages people to take more risk than they should. And even though the adoption might be faster, what is the real word utility that we are seeing with web3 and defi that is not already being done more effectively by web2. For example, most of the "use cases" of nft projects come off very gimmicky and can be easily done through a paid membership. That said, web3 probably is still in it's early stages and can probably develop into something that will change the world one day but for what it is today which to me seems like a copy of web2 pasted on the block chain, I think the hype needs to die down before the real building is done.
This falls into the category of speculative investment, same as art. Can just keep your fingers crossed that it'll appreciate. Most advisable to keep this to 5-10% of your portfolio
Am only into stocks. Know crypto has higher returns 'potentially'. Would say put money into Crypto expecting that you would lose it all. Except Bitcoin/Ethereum
Crypto was driven by de-regulation and also suffered because of this... flawed idea? Why are police reports lodged when de-regulations had been pushed....weird much to me...
I dont understand why so many fools keep buying crypto. If you own all the stocks in the world, you will be wealthy because you own much of the world's ability to produce goods and services. If you own all the real estate in the world, you will be wealthy because anyone that need a place to live or rent would need to buy from you. If you own all the crypto in the world? You will never be wealthy because there will be another new crypto being made because you are hoarding the rest.
it is not a death spiral. When you burn UST to mint Luna, USDT's supply will DECREASE while Luna's supply increase! 4:40 You BURN UST, NOT SELL IT. I'm a blockchain dev, and web 3.0 is really expensive, and not really scalable at the moment, the most important thing in new tech is scalability, you can have anonymity, security and everything, but if you can't scale, there's no point 33:30.
Coffeezilla is a really good TH-cam channel if you want to know more about dodgy crypto currencies / Ponzi schemes. Good investigative journalism and he’s exposed a lot of these scam projects
Never understood the allure of investing in stocks, NFTS, bitcoins or the whole concept of making your money work for you. Sounds like a bunch of bs to exploit other people. Raise your wealth through honest work, sweat, skills and intelligence. Want more? Be and do better.
Only invest in stuff with fundamentals which you understand. Stocks like Apple, Microsoft have business plan, great products, and financial fundamentals which are worth investing in. NFTs and Bitcoins have no fundamentals, they are built on thin air. Keep your hands away.
Practically how many ceo positions are there? Every year u are fighting against rising inflation. Can u reach the top position with pure hard work? Well if u r that talented then u wouldn't need to fear either way. Crypto is one thing but stocks allow you to make smth out of your savings. Of course, u have to take some risk but that's true for everything. But one thing is guaranteed - if u work a middle high end job with all your money put in a 0.01% interest rate, u will definitely lose out to someone with a decent salary who knows how to invest over the same period of time
For ppl who don't know what is cryptocurrency and what happened. Let me help explained about the "Luna" crash basically the moon crash down to earth and you arent aware of it because you are sleeping.
honestly people who dump all their life savings into crypto are the same people that says they don't want the government to control their money. "I got all my savings in crypto"
It’s not true that Do Kwon couldn’t do anything. They could have immediately suspended the chain. CZ would have immediately suspended and communicated with the public like he has done before. Furthermore, why would luna buy other crypto assets as collateral? That’s the dumbest move ever. Do Kwon basically got schooled by tradfi.
apparently Do Kwon has worked on a similar project that has to do with algo stable coins before called basis cash, the project also failed but in a less grand fashion and now the stable coin is worth about 1c. basis.cash is the website if you wanna check it out.
@@Gamebred-Nightmare I think He’d rather enjoy that 7% rather than getting rugpooled and crypto death spiralled into oblivion with all these high yield numbers. You do you but don’t cry to your mummy when your crypto goes tits-up.
I only feel sad that some of these idiots probably will be getting aid from taxpayers' dollars even though they are in the plight due to their own irresponsible actions.
I had a small Christmas gathering last year and a friend bragged about making 300k and tried to convinced everyone to invest in LUNA.
Last week, I woke up to the news and checked up on him and was told he sold majority of his stock portfolio and went all in together with his wife savings.
He succumbed to greed and now he couldn't break the news to his wife.
To everyone who were affected, you are still young, you can recover from this.
That is fucking irresponsible on his part. Why must he dragged his wife along with it? I know it's probably greed but fuck me does he not know what risk management is?
This is not a man who loves his wife, I'm telling you.
@@jambalaya428 Many couples leave the financial management to their other half. But I guess its hard to take in any criticisms or advice when you see your investment literally grew 6 folds in half a year.
No point crying over spilt milk. Just wish to see those affected to look past the material possessions and there are many things far more valuable than that.
should have cashed out some
@@jambalaya428 Folks who invest more than 15% into Crypto typically do not understand portfolio management.
@@user-ln2th5nq1g Most folks do not understand portfolio management. But there is no point berating them about it at this point in time.
Being in the industry and investing in crypto and losing money 3 times including this Luna situation. I think the biggest hole in everyone own education is on the topic of personal finance and portfolio management. Never invest more than what you are willing to lose, this is the only thing that ensures your ability to both survive the crash and to bounce back.
I mean while the saying that never invest more than you are willing to lose has some wisdom, I do not think its entirely true, I do think you can invest more money then you can afford to lose but you really have to know what you are doing and DIVERSIFY, you never ever put all your eggs in one basket no matter how good of a deal it might be especially in such a volatile market like crypto, every type of markets have their up trends or down trends, and if you diversify even if one of the market crashes, you can steal make money from your other investments and the chances of every market crashing is really unlikely and even in those cases you probably have more issues then losing money.
Of course that being said, it is easier said then done, else everyone would be rich and this Luna case is really an example of people just blindly trusting advocates for the crypto and really not having any sort of doubts about it or doing their own investments. Anything that involves money, you have to do your own research, get opinions from multiple sources.
Not affected here but its a interesting case study for me. Never put all eggs into a basket if you want to , your knowledge is important.
If you want to invest, remember what money you invest you must be prepared to lose all. If you can, you are ready to invest..
I have no idea why people dump their 100% wealth into such high risk investment.
Why ah... Not sure. People dumb enough to believe in luna in the first place?
greed. they just want to get rich fast
Its gambling its greed
They are gambling
It’s not investment
John Paul doing well to be able to buy a Patek Nautilus despite the losses.
That echo chamber thing isn’t only limited to Twitter. It’s honestly a majority of social media. It’s how they keep you engaged
Nothing in the world would guarantee you 20% interest per year. That alone should ring alarm bells.
It's fine to trade rather than invest. But if you're trading, you need to get the hell out before everything crashes.
Actually it was doing fine... until someone sold
@@xunsungwar77 if it was so vulnerable that selling would create such an impact, it’s a horrible investment. Basically it is a ponzi scheme
Thank you for sharing all these! Real good episode! Also in a way tdk is community, would love to join a discord group if you all plan to ever have one!
+1
You Think you know
You Think you Understand
You Speculate Thinking it's a investment
It's All Gambling of a different nature
All will be wiser for it
Want to gamble go casino all in faster lol
Can TDK do another podcast abt crypto? So much new developments have occurred, such as FTX's crash, and I'm quite interested to hear their views abt the compounding crashes in the scene in the past few months.
Affected but not heart pain coz did started with a $100 which turns to thousands over a year plus. Taking profit in between. Now from thousands crashed down to $300+. Oohhh well start again from scratch.
*_I am amazed no one questioned how the Anchor Protocol can be sustainable with a payout 20% annually to depositors when they are only getting 11% for the loans they give out using depositors funds._*
Many people questioned. And everyone was aware that it was artificially propped up. Analysis was done and people felt that the risk/reward was worth it, that’s why the money still flowed to Anchor
sometimes i feel bad that im not well versed enough to do crypto, but whenever i read news like this, i feel better:) sadge for the others tho
Nothing to feel bad about, invest only if you understand the risks well enough.
Still loving the podcasts you all make, keep continuing im supporting you all!!🤗
13:41 Meta ALSO used that algorithm despite users' feedback on it. However, Twitter has an option for chronological order but not Meta
Remember: Easy come, easy go.
met kwon in 2018 when luna just started as a venture investor looking into blockchain space. To be honest, he avoided most of our questions around the sustainability and how it compared and differed from a previous textbook stablecoin failure: Basis - which kwon was allegedly a cofounder as well. Didn't find him overly proud back then, pretty nice guy but just quite avoidant and claimed that the algorithm this time will solve all the underlying issues. My firm back then passed on investing in luna for the better or for the worse..
Timely reminder for everyone to only get into trading/investing into vehicles that they truly understand and know. If you only understand TradFi, do that. Don't be tempted to do cryptotrading just because you've been taunted for being a "boomer" or feel left out when others earn their 10x, 100x returns. Just like it's name, PERSONAL finance is your own journey - don't let others dictate what you dabble in.
Advice for retail investors, do not always see the potential returns of crypto, do up research on the fundamentals of the crypto project before investing into the cryptocurrencies.
Unfortunately, most of them will only start asking how it works after it collapses. Before that, the returns are only what matter. Shoot first, ask questions later.
And then again, even if u do up research for Luna. Doesn't the self balancing algorithm sounds convincing?
Moral of the story, even if research, things will still fail. Always practice risk management and don't meddle in something you don't know in
You guys should do more crypto content
they have it on the chaindebrief
You guys shared your point about how web3's adoption if even greater than the internet but could there be other factors such as the $4T injection into the US economy, availability of information through social media and at the same time the spread of misinformation which encourages people to take more risk than they should. And even though the adoption might be faster, what is the real word utility that we are seeing with web3 and defi that is not already being done more effectively by web2. For example, most of the "use cases" of nft projects come off very gimmicky and can be easily done through a paid membership. That said, web3 probably is still in it's early stages and can probably develop into something that will change the world one day but for what it is today which to me seems like a copy of web2 pasted on the block chain, I think the hype needs to die down before the real building is done.
Coffeezilla covered this, showing how Do Kwon played apart in this downfall.
all speculative - all without hedges, what do you expect at a down market. GG.
Good that you guys cover this topic. But I really think to call buying crypto “investing” is really the problem though
This falls into the category of speculative investment, same as art. Can just keep your fingers crossed that it'll appreciate. Most advisable to keep this to 5-10% of your portfolio
Yup, crypto is not backed by business fundamentals.
Exclusively talking about Luna coin
Serious ah, how pervasive is crypto in Singapore?
Am only into stocks. Know crypto has higher returns 'potentially'. Would say put money into Crypto expecting that you would lose it all. Except Bitcoin/Ethereum
Don’t say except… the risk is there…
Non SG stock right, if buy SG stock i think u buy toto better
@@BeachBoi1000 you're right as well
rlly dont care about crypto but it’s interesting when y’all talk about it
Crypto was driven by de-regulation and also suffered because of this... flawed idea? Why are police reports lodged when de-regulations had been pushed....weird much to me...
Damnnn johnnnn. 26:50. You deep boiiii. Deeeep
Why didnt you guys do the responding to comments segment this time :(
emotional & financial damage.
Every investment has its risk. We just have to embrace it. Even stock investor also suffer paperloss now.
I dont understand why so many fools keep buying crypto. If you own all the stocks in the world, you will be wealthy because you own much of the world's ability to produce goods and services. If you own all the real estate in the world, you will be wealthy because anyone that need a place to live or rent would need to buy from you. If you own all the crypto in the world? You will never be wealthy because there will be another new crypto being made because you are hoarding the rest.
There is a way to leverage safely. Don't write it off completely.
Friend: "So, stablecoin is stable?"
Me: "Listen to JP!!!!"
Luckily I never heard about Luna before today.
it is not a death spiral. When you burn UST to mint Luna, USDT's supply will DECREASE while Luna's supply increase! 4:40 You BURN UST, NOT SELL IT.
I'm a blockchain dev, and web 3.0 is really expensive, and not really scalable at the moment, the most important thing in new tech is scalability, you can have anonymity, security and everything, but if you can't scale, there's no point 33:30.
THAT OPENING LINE!
bought $10 @ 0.02 just for fun. Luna is foregone after the depeg. Seemingly these people nvm listen the warning signs
Coffeezilla is a really good TH-cam channel if you want to know more about dodgy crypto currencies / Ponzi schemes. Good investigative journalism and he’s exposed a lot of these scam projects
I am a builder, price don't affect me :D
Always hedge. never carry too much delta risk.
Never understood the allure of investing in stocks, NFTS, bitcoins or the whole concept of making your money work for you. Sounds like a bunch of bs to exploit other people. Raise your wealth through honest work, sweat, skills and intelligence. Want more? Be and do better.
Only invest in stuff with fundamentals which you understand. Stocks like Apple, Microsoft have business plan, great products, and financial fundamentals which are worth investing in. NFTs and Bitcoins have no fundamentals, they are built on thin air. Keep your hands away.
Practically how many ceo positions are there? Every year u are fighting against rising inflation.
Can u reach the top position with pure hard work? Well if u r that talented then u wouldn't need to fear either way.
Crypto is one thing but stocks allow you to make smth out of your savings. Of course, u have to take some risk but that's true for everything.
But one thing is guaranteed - if u work a middle high end job with all your money put in a 0.01% interest rate, u will definitely lose out to someone with a decent salary who knows how to invest over the same period of time
Do Kwan created Terra\Luna with a built-in self-destruct protocol.
This is very random, but is Jon wearing a Patek Philippe Nautilus?
For ppl who don't know what is cryptocurrency and what happened. Let me help explained about the "Luna" crash basically the moon crash down to earth and you arent aware of it because you are sleeping.
Every generation, there will always be a defining bubble. In this generation, its crypto.
Decentrialized from government to companies don't sound enticing at all.
Is JP wearing a Patek? 😍🤤
fine and thin line between investing and gambling...
honestly people who dump all their life savings into crypto are the same people that says they don't want the government to control their money. "I got all my savings in crypto"
Not so easy to Peg.................need alot of Funds to maintain the Peg
It’s not true that Do Kwon couldn’t do anything. They could have immediately suspended the chain. CZ would have immediately suspended and communicated with the public like he has done before.
Furthermore, why would luna buy other crypto assets as collateral? That’s the dumbest move ever.
Do Kwon basically got schooled by tradfi.
Curious.... so did ppl make money from crashing luna?
apparently Do Kwon has worked on a similar project that has to do with algo stable coins before called basis cash, the project also failed but in a less grand fashion and now the stable coin is worth about 1c. basis.cash is the website if you wanna check it out.
It was the easiest short of my trading career.
So glad to have such a chance. Thanks luna for the profit.
As opposed to the housing bubble in 2008, it must have felt good shorting against Crypto lunatics.
Sounds like the big short movie again.
I wasnt affected by Luna hehe. Profited!
John saying some wise stuff. learn.
Algo stablecoin!
never trusted crypto. continue with ETF, 10% per annum is still good return.
You do you with that 10%, but crypto is still young and we're early in the space. In the long run it will succeed.
@@Gamebred-Nightmare I think He’d rather enjoy that 7% rather than getting rugpooled and crypto death spiralled into oblivion with all these high yield numbers. You do you but don’t cry to your mummy when your crypto goes tits-up.
This is why forex is king 😎
Cryptocurrency investing is pure greed. Kids looking for short cuts in life.
I only feel sad that some of these idiots probably will be getting aid from taxpayers' dollars even though they are in the plight due to their own irresponsible actions.
Initial time frame typically the market hasn't prospered. But I nevertheless made 5000$ revenue last week along with only 45$ capital.
The market is very difficult. I think BTC surpasses $35k, then trade is straightforward to make money.
Would you follow any groups? There are several groups that continue to make a fortune from this industry.
@cryptoheroes you mean
nice
Algo!
I know it's gonna be luna. My Luna from 100k became cents..Lol. coinhako is even force selling, I can't even keep the hope of it rising .
imagine btc went to zero XD
This is the theory of the greater or bigger FOOL.
Denise buy flat with Jon… do it… then stay together… and get together… then get married… you two looks like a good fit.
Yo what
But Denise isn't heterosexual..
algoooo
Flfc
First comment! :)
Hahaha not affected LOL.
You see luna has nvr been a stable coin ppl think it is if u guys did ur research on blockchain u would have seen this coming