Arn Anderson On Jim Herd Cutting Ric Flair's Pay
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Still, to this day, The big gold belt is the most beautiful belt in wrestling history. the WWE belts today look like toys you get out of the vending machines where you stick the quater in and turn the knob (Man I'm old).
I called those things “junk machines” growing up in 1980’s and 90’s
Facts!!
Very true!!
Remember Bob Backlund 's WWWF Championship belt ? Now that belt was Awesome.
I agree
I'm not the biggest Flair fan, I kind of hate 'em. But therevis no denying that him and the Horsemen were what was keeping WCW's head above water.
I got a kick out of how poker-faced Arn was throughout that Jim Herd clip before he shared his thoughts afterward.
Poker face? You are mistaking that for lack of personality or even a pulse. Arn has never had a drop of color unless he was cutting a promo of course. Outstanding character he played, the no nonsense enforcer for the glamorous guys.
Flair put a big deposit for the belt and they wouldn't give him deposit back. That's why he took the belt.
or so flair says. he accumulated huge debt throughout his life; who knows if he's being honest regarding anything financial
@warshipsatin8764 it's a fact the nwa champion had to put a deposit down
The water got muddied when jcp sold to turner and the nwa had basically folded leaving everybody else holding the bag.
@@ziskokid1 i know theres a deposit but flair is probably lying about not getting it back. he's lied about money all his life
@@warshipsatin8764 Flair and money have never worked together well for sure, but Herd was weird and stubborn when it came to issues of money as well....even in how he structured pay and contracts. Listen to Jim Cornette (who was always good with his money) talk about negotiating with him on occasion. I can definitely see him telling Flair he wasn't getting that deposit money back.
Jim Herd sounds like he’s 110 years old 😮
Leave the old man alone.
83 he is,old bastard looked like he was in 80s back in 1991
@@Samuelfish2k agreed 🤣🤣
Actually I think he just turned 109 but you are close.
I never realized how massive Herd's ears are. That dude can probably hear a gnat sneeze in the next county.
They are like Dinner Plates
He Herd that.
Sandman signed for $250,00 and WCW forgot to book him about for 6 months. Sandman sat at home for 6 months making $5,000 a week doing nothing. There were a few others that this lucky. Let's see, WCW brings in Dennis Rodman for $1,674,814 in 1998 & 1999. Kevin Greene receives $1,066,000 from 1996-1998. Reggie White gets $209,000 in 1997. There is plenty more waste of money. That is why the company was going broke. Flair had personally paid for the creation of the new NWA World’s Championship, the Big Gold Belt, instead of paying the deposit since it was roughly the same amount of money. Flair’s stance was that since he had paid for the belt’s creation, it was his personal property. The story ended a few months later as Flair and Herd came to an agreement with Flair returning the Big Gold Belt to WCW in exchange for approximately $40,000.
Herd was early 90s.
You don't know what you're talking about. Herd was the early 90s. You're talking late 90s. Different leaders
@@ptccombatfitness6726 I am talking about the company as a whole. It was as if the VP was not held accountable. The goofy contracts happened in nearly every era.
@@ptccombatfitness6726 It happened under several bookers/VP. There was no accountability. Herd was an idiot and was arrogant about the business.
Youre all over the map with your musings.
To the crux, Eric Bischoff is a clown fool who totally sucks.
He is the reason there is no more WCW.
Herd looks like he helped collaborate in the creation of dirt. Dude looks ancient.
I mean he was old back then too. It would make sense that he and dirt worked together
Arm Anderson talk with passion
Conrad was like "Jim, i'll give you $500 and a box of prunes for an interview !....."
@abduldinero6363yeah and he deserves some basic respect. Only a pathetic little armchair troll makes comments like that to compensate for his own sad life.
I want Arn Anderson to have lex Lugar or podcast period see how much make I know more 600.000 thousand and sting was make close 800.000 thousand . Jim herd liar
Heard says pushing Dustin who he sounds like he thought wasnt good enough then goes to WWF and become a superstar s
Flair liked Mr. Spartacus eh? IDTS I bet Flair hated Herd!
Cool thanks
What did Herd accomplish. Gave Flair the opportunity to go Broadway in the Royal Rumble for the other world title and become even bigger.
This was a roster that even then had multiple guys who were a waste of money. But they won’t fire any of them. Instead WCW wanted to screw with one of the company’s 2 biggest draws. I don’t blame Ric at all.
In 1991 WCW ran Chicago, Illinois shows in U.I.C pavilion not United Center until 1994-1995 WWF ran the first ever wrestling show in United Center WWF SummerSlam 94 PPV
One year for 750,000 is pretty sweet when all they were offering at first was 350,000 but this was the beginning of the end.
WRESTLING WAS IN THE Toilet BACK THEN AND LEX WOULD RATHER TAKE GUARANTEED MONEY OVER VINCE'S PROMISES💯‼️‼️
When luger left wwe he was offered150 grand from Bissoff. They lowballed him and he took it. Cause he wanted to work.
Dropping to Barry?When was that suppose to happen?Not at that Bash because he wasn’t even scheduled to be in the main vs Flair.That was Luger vs Flair and I remember the commercials saying the Legend vs the legacy.I’ve seen the Barry thing a few times and am just wondering when it was suppose to be him.Luger defeated Muta on my birthday,I remember that to earn the right to face Flair at the Bash
Flair's contract expired before the Bash PPV, despite WCW promoting him as champ for an event when he hadn't resigned a new deal. Flair has stated he refused Herd's offer but countered he would extend his old deal an extra month or two so that he could put over Luger & complete the PPV. Herd declined and ordered him to drop the title at a TV taping before his contract expired to Whyndam, who Flair was friends with. That's when Flair asked about the return on his deposit for the gold belt & Herd refused to reimburse him, thus the stalemate that ended with The Big Gold Belt on WWE TV.
I agree with Arn that the "Luger never made more than $240k for us" from Herd doesn't add up and Arn laid out why, as Lex was guaranteed more than that when he joined Crockett in '87. By '91, I'm sure his original deal with Crockett had probably expired and he would have negotiated a new deal but I can't imagine a scenario where he accepted a sizable paycut to stay with WCW.
LOD, Flair, Luger, and the Steniers all left b/c of Herd.
Hard to say. Lex took around one hundred from Eric when Eric brought him back in! Luger was washing out pretty bad in the wwf, the plans for him had flipped badly. He may have decided it to take it bc he really wanted out and a new start.
@@datacipher This was before that happened - we are talking 1990/1991 in WCW here.
@@thomascrown5953 I’m well aware of that lol!!! I AM SAYING it’s not unheard of him to take a pay cut. In that case a MASSIVE one that Eric meant to be insulting with and assumed Luger wouldn’t take. It is certainly possible he took less money here than we ignorants think. We can only guess.
Cornette can probably refute this, since his lawsuit disclosed what who was making a the time.
My wife asked me why winnie the pooh was talking about wrestling... Arn the pooh
That's ric flair belt always
LOL out loud at trying to present Fatrad as some kind of star.
Did this dude say “stallworth” in the first ten seconds??? 😂
In the 80s you had to put a 5,000 cash deposit if you were the world champion
25 thousand
I think your right Billy Graham was 5,000
Flair said it.
Flair was over the hill at that point the most important wrestler was scott steiner and he proved it
Arn interviews are so much better without conrad
Didn't heard manager a pizza restaurant before he went to work for nwa/wcw?
Pizza Hut manager
He was Pizza Hut CEO
Oh ok lol
Jim Herd is correct spelling
Pizza Hut corporate .
And what most dont know is the original i do believe now belongs to Ric
Flair was over 40 so i dont blame heard wanting to cut his salary for a new deal
You know what, maybe I'll have some Pizza for dinner.
The company was not profitable and Ric was the champ . He had to make some changes and cuts. It’s basic business . Now, the cuts and changes he made …. That’s another story!
It was stupid to book Flair as World Champ to lose his title on a heavily promoted PPV AFTER his contract expires while offering him a giant pay cut in negotiations. Then they did an about face and offered him a big money renewal to stay. That's not smart business
Ric was the face of the company & champion. Why would you make his bag smaller?
Speaking for myself only, I think Larry Pfohl (Lex Luger) would have managed a chain of Golds Gym's in Nashville, before making $240k a year in Pro Wrestling, Pfohl probably would have made more money managing Gyms. I think Herd is making that up.
Its clear he wanted to fire flair. 1/2 salary. Shave Head. Renamed to Spartcus. Yeah. He wanted to save money by removing his "biggest cost".
Belt that is
Grumpy Old Men
Question #1.. How do you hire a regional manager for Pizza Hut, To run a Wrestling Company.. The problem started with this, Herd never had a clue, And ended up running the business into the ground.
Flair was old and looking shabby to me, my friends and I joked around about how he did not look like he could beat any of these up and coming guys, of course he should give up the belt. Ric Flair knew he was nobody without the belt and there was nobody more selfish and a mark for himself than Flair. He humiliated himself in is old age and even put a final black eye on wrestling with his "final match", a cringe match for the ages. Ric Should have started playing the older veteran character as he got older, but he wanted to be the man forever and had no shame. Flair has always been a joke to me.
Or Ric could go to WWE for a 100K per year raise, main event Madison Square Garden vs Hulk Hogan, tour the country beating Roddy Piper, Co Main Event WrestleMania vs Randy Savage, and be World Champion 🤔 Seems he made the right decision
the fact that wwf signed him and did great business with him proves he still had something to contribute. BUT that said I agree that he is a mark for himself. Has become an embarrassment to himself and wrestling. Until the NWO came about though WCW really had no one to draw other than Flair,Sting and short time Vader.
They went with Sting in 90.He wasn’t doing great as a draw.So they went back to Flair.Wrestling isn’t just about a nice look and random moves.A good wrestler makes everything mean something.At that if we are talking about 91 none of those guys would have been more over being champion than Flair.I think Lex even said he wasn’t that interested in trying to follow that but he was the guy
Had no idea Herd was still alive.
Unfortunately he is . POS.
It's really difficult to tell from this interview.
@@synthonaplinth5980 he actually has quite a bit of life in him for a 90 year old
godamn Herd looking like Hyman Roth
Heard like the 4 HORSEMEN leave he had no idea about Flair the only guy bigger in the business then Flair was HOGAN and Heard most likely a closet guy and Flair is the legend. And he isnt working at pizza hut its diffetent
Jim sounds great for his age.
Hearing Jim Herd speak, the guy really did not have a feel for people, if he actually thought Ric Flair liked him. I do feel for the guy a bit because he did not have the support that Eric Bischoff did but all of these athletes don't think you're doing a good job or at least a decent job perhaps you should take the hint and quit. I would save the grief and just quit.
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I dont buy that Herd was "getting pressure" about spenditure, I think the less the talent made the more he made..besides if it were simply a pay issue he wouldnt have tried for the 'spartacus' gimmick. I think he was just clueless and careless about the business and the talent. I dont believe that Luger was only making $240K, either, bc Cornette said that the Road Warriors were making $500K each, and Ellering $250K as their manager, and Herd wanted to pay Jim and the Midnight $125K each. .Just like Turner went nuts for Hogan later, and TBS said if they didnt have Flair they wouldnt air WCW, office personnel arent fans, and only know the big names and as tight as Herd was, to him Sting and Luger were the future of the company bc they wanted to Hoganize them..and being clueless, Herd thought Flairs value was minimal as an asset.
i know rick drinks and he's been divorced 4 or 5 . making all that money just to go broke.truely sad.
Seems like a whole lotta 🧢’n when ppl blame everything on Herd
What happened to Arn & Ric saying just follow orders & do what the boss says???? Like when they comment about Bret & the screwjob
Flair offered to stay past his contract and lose the title to Luger on PPV. Remember it was Herd who stupidly promoted a PPV event with a World Champ that occurred after said Champs contract expired. Herd refused. Flair offered to lose the belt before his deal expired. Herd refused. WCW also owed Flair roughly 60k they refused to pay.
@@thomasleonard945 and Bret offered to drop the belt to others.......But shouldn't you just do what the boss says? Ric promised the belt to Windham did he not??
Typical ric flair slag off bret for Montreal to kiss Shawn, hunters and vinces ass after doing the same in the past and even worse taking the belt. another
This guy should have never been in control.
How dare he do that to Ric shocking
Flair was over the hill and the company wasn't making money. Ric wouldn't take a pay cut and wanted to keep the belt. I would have fired him for being a mark too.
Who is Flair? He's not some deity. He only drew for Crockett. He wasn't drawing for WCW.
Dam Jim said he didn't like ric from the first time he saw him 3 minutes later he said he thought he and ric were friends what a piss poor excuse for a liar
He was talking about Flair's lawyer.
@@pawperation4255 how in the hell robbie didnt thinks jim said flair and in fact it was his lawyer and guess 8 others.
None people liked this blatantly factually incorrect comment. Sadly that says it all about this crowd.
But true real wrestling fans never liked Hogan because he was a Hollywood wrestler and he was plain obviously fake his career was a Rocky movie and it never changed
Why would you kill a cash cow, like Flair.
Turner owned WCW, not NWA, and Ric Flair was the champ of both.
Arn Anderson pay like is a damned insult he should between 500.000 ,/$750,000 a year I know sting and lex Lugar was close , to $750,000 to 1 million i in a year and The Steiner Brothers were making $500,000 a a piece
Well Luger is still alive get the answer from the horses mouth.
In Jim Herd's defense the hair that Ric Flair in the 1980s was pretty bad.
how that old coffin dodger survived 3 years in wcw we will never know,run out the biggest stars and dragged the company to the depths!! The funny thing is hes only 10 years older than flair! in 91 he looked like he was in his 80s back then lol
For some reason younger crowd didn't like Ric flair?The reason is simple hulk Hogan was the ultimate Babyface and Ric flair was the ultimate heal. Kids were afraid of him. He's standing up their eyes all wide open like he did a giant line a crank screaming at the top of his lungs no s*** kids didn't like him
I wonder if Herd was this bad at running Pizza-Hut?
Probably so. It's too greasy
Flair got cut because he kept bitching backstage about Vinny Mac pushin Arn and Tully as ' the dad bods' . Flair's ego couldn't take being associated with that gimmick...😂
Arn has a unhealthy bias against herd, I don't believe him either.
Flair is arrogant. Believed his own hype. Jim Herd was right in cutting his pay. Flair wasn't drawing.
Funny how Flair drew everywhere and every time except when Herd was there
Paul Bromwell >>> Connie Thompson
Jim still full of it.
Herd ran a wrestling company like a 6 year old. Loved the good guys and hated the bad guys. Don't run traditionally successful wrestling towns in your own area. Go to Chicago for no reason instead just because it's bigger. Also try to copycat your rival but suck at it. Keep coming up with childish ideas and gimmicks.
Arn Anderson wasn't in charge of anything at that time. Ted Turner was the main voice and he was losing money.
Herd had no biz whatsoever in pro wrestling
I wonder what Ted Turner's just want to hear for Ted Turner I want to hear to hear from ted Turner what he knows about this Jim herd is liar period . Ps why Jim herd hasn't met Ric flair face to face period
Let’s face it Herd wasn’t too good at his job
At this point, who cares! It’s been 30 years. The average wrestling fan was shit yellow when this happened.
you care, that's why you're here.
Actually, I don’t, this topic keeps popping up in my feed.
Wcw wasn’t the nwa Jim herd is as clueless as Lauren boebert
There was no NWA anymore, one territory is not a wrestling alliance. But the belt wasn't Ric's. Ric was a mark.
Dumb
@@SatanSquad yes both are
@@cheesywheeler8322 not at the time. read up on it
Paul bromwell is terrible. Just so blah to listen to
Arn is as dull as a toaster and his insights never seem to be on the mark to me.
He’s a lot better than smug Jon Alba who claims all the stars in all the companies immediately call him to talk after the Steph McMahon announcement. And smugly thinks we came to hear him… only to have Eric diplomatically point out he has no idea what he’s talking about since he’s never had a real job in his life! Lol. Paul js at the least non offensive and not trying to be the star.
I like Paul over Conrad
RIC COULDNT CUT IT IN THE WWF.....
Jim herd didn't know a dam thing about wrestling
Don't be a mark Arn....just do what the boss says Arn. It's the companies belt not yours anyway. What a disrespect to the business taking the belt to wwf.....
Obviously you are trolling
@@Crushmore404 sort of holding Arn and Ric to their own standards
Not putting you down, just some information I heard. Flair had paid a deposit on the belt, and Herd wouldn't return it. That's what Flair said. Not saying it's accurate or not.
@@johnboothe6398 Yep, that's always been the word on the street.
@@johnboothe6398 yes that is true, should he have taken another companies property to wwf when you think like him and arn do? Bret had reasonable creative control in his last month as well......I just don't like how they are hypocritical.
I can hear that cholesterol pumping through Arn’s cardiovascular system
😂