As french native I can tell the notes system is so accurate, if you focus and watch closely you can see all the details announced by Elena in each corner. And I'm amazed how Loeb is fine-tuning the notes to Elena during the stage, like 'remove minus in this one' or 'remove apex here'. He keeps total control and critical thinking ability while driving full-speed !
What a lovely stage. The scenery might not be particularly exotic, but to me it's absolutely beautiful. And the configuration is just classic -- it's got everything, and the hairpins are so cool. Same goes for places where the road branches off -- they seem quite tricky at places: especially when they're combined with those sharp, short compressions, as it's often the case. I guess it takes time for a rally to become a classic, but the Deutschland surely deserves that.
I didn't see his turbo lagg once, he's got crazy skill and his acceleration is crazy, going around hairpins then blasting out of them. Citroen did a phenomenal job with his car.
@BrunoR8 Thanks so much for the link, Bruno. It was something really worth watching. And I fully agree with you -- he gets those hairpins in the Saxo quite perfectly! Very neat, beautifully controlled, no superfluous wheelspin--only what's needed to keep the engine's torque running and to have the front slide maintain the balance of the rear slide in the tight corner. A driving poetry. Of course, the technique in an S1600 car is somewhat different than that in the WRC.
What I mean is that his speed apparently comes from something else. His lines are pretty conservative, but I suppose he's just so masterful at sensing the grip and being able to carry through as much speed as the tyres will allow. I also suspect he's got this knack for finding better (earlier) braking and accelerating points. And as for Seb's car sympathy: look how simple his pacenotes are! Just compare them to P.Solberg's! You need to let your hands and your bottom speak to you, too! :D
@barsorrro You are not alone in that observation. Previously, I had thought his speed came from his low tire wear. HIs conservative line, as you described, seemed to keep the tires under better condition. However, there is something else beside low tire wear. As you said, braking point are masterful and his accelaration point including which step it goes up are masterful either. About hairpins, this is also another incredible feature that Loeb has been doing with perfection since the early days
@barsorrro If you find out here at youtube you can watch Loeb with his Saxo. What amazed me is how perfect and smooth it was, no countersteer in the exit of the hairpins..simply perfect. This reminds me a comparison between him and his 2006 teammate Xavi Pons at Rally Turkey, where Loeb get 1 second of advantage in 1 hairpin...is that great or what? Also in 2004, another comparison is between him and Markko Martin where in a S curve in Rally Germany he gets 0,6 seconds of advantage.
@piez4132 I totally agree!!! That's the best WRC on board camera ever!!! Rally on asphast gives us the whole notion of what those C4 could do!!! Rally 4 life!!!
@piez4132 I totally agree!!! That's the best WRC on board camera ever!!! Rally on asphalt gives us the whole notion of what those C4 could do!!! Can't wait to see the DS3 in action for real!!!... Rally 4 life!!!
@juandv93 Yes they are extremely vital. Co-drivers tell you what gear to turn at certain corners, what's over the hill, dangerous road approaching, hidden hairpins, etc.
@BrunoR8 Thanks for the tip, Bruno -- I'll definitely go and look for the video. About the hairpins -- the amazing thing is that to me they look really bad: at least in the video. I don't have the time to review the vid right now, so as to pinpoint the exact hairpin corners which I see as being messed up, but I can't remember any that I would be thrilled at :) Either I must be totally stupid, or it's his traction management.
@BrunoR8 Yes, the difference in the measured performance between Loeb and Sordo is something quite puzzling. Personally, I think Dani a very good driver, especially on tarmac, and I'm really fond of his style. I understand his driving much better than I do Loebs: he uses the width of the road much more, he's extremely careful about car positioning, his lines are really pretty, his brakings are forceful and well-measured, and you can only praise his speed and commitment in the corners.
As for Seb's driving--it's quite amazing. And for more than one reason. Am I alone in getting an impression that he doesn't look that fast at all? :) I mean, of course I'm aware that speed comes from regularity and consistency rather than nervous struggles with the car, but... he doesn't even look as if he were taking lines you'd call optimal: he's often just somewhere in the middle of the road. And the hairpins--am I the only one to see them botched up, or, at least, taken quite carelessly?
@PLynnJr95 ive been driving on playstation for 10 years, and hell i can tell you.. this cant even be done in videogames, thats how amazing the driver is :O
@BrunoR8 Thanks! :) Definitely worth watching. Typical Loeb thing: a couple of hairpins in the early part of the stage taken as if his handbrake was out of order, then a really messy-looking part towards the end (I mean that natural sort of chicane and then the final righthander) -- I know it's tricky and the there's probably dirt on the surface, but he still looks... slow there :) ... And, hey -- I'm pretty sure he won the stage :D There's one with a Saxo, too: v=Wqm6OKtJ-5I&NR=1
@BrunoR8 Yes, I've realized it shourtly after I'd posted. I tried to correct myself later. I wasn't thinking -- it's obvious that it's a Xsara :) Also, I could have remembered (or checked) that 2002 was Loebs first season in the top class of the WRC.
amazing stuff at his best without his best performance there is a little backing off at the middle probably for the tyres caution,he is master i prefer hirvonen but loeb on tarmac he is at home!
@AWJFunk He's just getting a feel for how WRC works. If you take the stats from the WRC races he's competed in, He's in the top ten drivers overall. I wouldn't say thats embarassing.
@barsorrro Truly, is a mistery novel to discover how Loeb gets so advantage, even from Sordo, with visually so little effort. But appereances tricks everyone, if it's so easy why since beginning 2006 no one can defeat him at sealed surfaces....
YA sure why not 9 time world champions need it too maybe I can be his driving coach XD anyways i was wrong he gets better exit speed his way and if he went wider any wheel spin would send him into the wall :(
hair pins need work he needs to swing a tig wider have more revs at look up so at the apex he can progressively feed sum clutch get sum power maybe a little wheel spin pushing him outside more and be faster but at the same time idk if hes thinking about tire wear and heat or not. if hes saving his tires that was perfect. but overall soo fast!! i hope one day i can be graced with one of his 7 wrc titles
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9:35 fast through the village.
So precise, so consistent, and so smooth...just perfection
"100% without taking risks, full attack and always sure to stay on the road" from his own words ... proper style
As french native I can tell the notes system is so accurate, if you focus and watch closely you can see all the details announced by Elena in each corner.
And I'm amazed how Loeb is fine-tuning the notes to Elena during the stage, like 'remove minus in this one' or 'remove apex here'. He keeps total control and critical thinking ability while driving full-speed !
Sin dudas una cabeza que razona demasiadas cosas a la ves
whenever I watch him drive, I'm reminded of the CPU AI tutorials for the Gran Turismo Gold licences. The guy is a cyborg.
Driving and digesting all the co-pilot informations at the same time is an incredible work for the brain 😯
And also correcting the wrong notes
What a lovely stage. The scenery might not be particularly exotic, but to me it's absolutely beautiful. And the configuration is just classic -- it's got everything, and the hairpins are so cool. Same goes for places where the road branches off -- they seem quite tricky at places: especially when they're combined with those sharp, short compressions, as it's often the case.
I guess it takes time for a rally to become a classic, but the Deutschland surely deserves that.
2002 to 2008 and 2010 and also 2012 German Deutschland Rally 9 times winner and one of his favourite rallying for Loeb
I didn't see his turbo lagg once, he's got crazy skill and his acceleration is crazy, going around hairpins then blasting out of them. Citroen did a phenomenal job with his car.
Holy crap. This is such a technical stage but yet he flies through it!!
The dude's a machine! Well done!
He doesn't waste any movement correcting a drift, his car is practically always gripping and accelerating
My favorite stage!!
@BrunoR8 Thanks so much for the link, Bruno. It was something really worth watching. And I fully agree with you -- he gets those hairpins in the Saxo quite perfectly! Very neat, beautifully controlled, no superfluous wheelspin--only what's needed to keep the engine's torque running and to have the front slide maintain the balance of the rear slide in the tight corner. A driving poetry. Of course, the technique in an S1600 car is somewhat different than that in the WRC.
Excelente este Equipa!piloto,navegador, carro !
Perfección brutal!
French is definitely not the most romantic sounding language.
What I mean is that his speed apparently comes from something else. His lines are pretty conservative, but I suppose he's just so masterful at sensing the grip and being able to carry through as much speed as the tyres will allow. I also suspect he's got this knack for finding better (earlier) braking and accelerating points.
And as for Seb's car sympathy: look how simple his pacenotes are! Just compare them to P.Solberg's! You need to let your hands and your bottom speak to you, too! :D
LEGEND LOEB & ELENA
No sé francés. Sin embargo siento que Elena le brinda una calma y seguridad a Loeb que le permiten estar atento y dar lo mejor que tiene.
Some people are considered prodigies at mathematics, music, physics, ect. Lobe is a prodigy at driving. No doubt!..
@barsorrro You are not alone in that observation. Previously, I had thought his speed came from his low tire wear. HIs conservative line, as you described, seemed to keep the tires under better condition. However, there is something else beside low tire wear. As you said, braking point are masterful and his accelaration point including which step it goes up are masterful either. About hairpins, this is also another incredible feature that Loeb has been doing with perfection since the early days
a perfectly ride! there I found no error went on full throttle!
The boss in action !!!
@barsorrro If you find out here at youtube you can watch Loeb with his Saxo. What amazed me is how perfect and smooth it was, no countersteer in the exit of the hairpins..simply perfect. This reminds me a comparison between him and his 2006 teammate Xavi Pons at Rally Turkey, where Loeb get 1 second of advantage in 1 hairpin...is that great or what? Also in 2004, another comparison is between him and Markko Martin where in a S curve in Rally Germany he gets 0,6 seconds of advantage.
Absolute precision among hop plants.
@piez4132 I totally agree!!! That's the best WRC on board camera ever!!!
Rally on asphast gives us the whole notion of what those C4 could do!!!
Rally 4 life!!!
@piez4132 I totally agree!!! That's the best WRC on board camera ever!!!
Rally on asphalt gives us the whole notion of what those C4 could do!!! Can't wait to see the DS3 in action for real!!!...
Rally 4 life!!!
actually makes so much sense what hes saying though, he even tells him when the little dirt parts on the side of the road are coming up
holy shit, best onboard I've ever seen!
@juandv93 Yes they are extremely vital. Co-drivers tell you what gear to turn at certain corners, what's over the hill, dangerous road approaching, hidden hairpins, etc.
yeah but it's loeb who tell him before the race all corners and elena writen on his book
@BrunoR8 Thanks for the tip, Bruno -- I'll definitely go and look for the video.
About the hairpins -- the amazing thing is that to me they look really bad: at least in the video. I don't have the time to review the vid right now, so as to pinpoint the exact hairpin corners which I see as being messed up, but I can't remember any that I would be thrilled at :)
Either I must be totally stupid, or it's his traction management.
Fantastico!!! Loeb è un mito vivente!!!
i was standing at 12.46:D perfect corner
thanks
Very nice run
@BrunoR8 Yes, the difference in the measured performance between Loeb and Sordo is something quite puzzling. Personally, I think Dani a very good driver, especially on tarmac, and I'm really fond of his style. I understand his driving much better than I do Loebs: he uses the width of the road much more, he's extremely careful about car positioning, his lines are really pretty, his brakings are forceful and well-measured, and you can only praise his speed and commitment in the corners.
@barsorrro That link doesn't refer to a Saxo, is still a Xsara, maybe a Xsara T4 or Kit Car
As for Seb's driving--it's quite amazing. And for more than one reason.
Am I alone in getting an impression that he doesn't look that fast at all? :) I mean, of course I'm aware that speed comes from regularity and consistency rather than nervous struggles with the car, but... he doesn't even look as if he were taking lines you'd call optimal: he's often just somewhere in the middle of the road. And the hairpins--am I the only one to see them botched up, or, at least, taken quite carelessly?
thank u very much :)
@PLynnJr95 ive been driving on playstation for 10 years, and hell i can tell you.. this cant even be done in videogames, thats how amazing the driver is :O
dhrontal it's one of the best stage!!!
@BrunoR8 Thanks! :) Definitely worth watching. Typical Loeb thing: a couple of hairpins in the early part of the stage taken as if his handbrake was out of order, then a really messy-looking part towards the end (I mean that natural sort of chicane and then the final righthander) -- I know it's tricky and the there's probably dirt on the surface, but he still looks... slow there :) ... And, hey -- I'm pretty sure he won the stage :D
There's one with a Saxo, too:
v=Wqm6OKtJ-5I&NR=1
that's nice driving :D
@BrunoR8 Yes, I've realized it shourtly after I'd posted. I tried to correct myself later. I wasn't thinking -- it's obvious that it's a Xsara :) Also, I could have remembered (or checked) that 2002 was Loebs first season in the top class of the WRC.
amazing stuff at his best without his best performance there is a little backing off at the middle probably for the tyres caution,he is master i prefer hirvonen but loeb on tarmac he is at home!
perfect...
What a perfect ride, not once had he to correct anything
WOW!!!
you dont need revs when the turbo kicks in when you touch the throttle.
comprendre le co-pilote est déjà un exploit en soit !
The best on board ive seen was by ari vatanen
@AWJFunk He's just getting a feel for how WRC works. If you take the stats from the WRC races he's competed in, He's in the top ten drivers overall. I wouldn't say thats embarassing.
Footwork!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 add vids with his footwork
❤
@Spomash he dances on the pedals, iirc.
@barsorrro My bad -- it's a Xsara...
@LabRat4680 They can't upload such video to TH-cam. It would be way too big! :P
@barsorrro Truly, is a mistery novel to discover how Loeb gets so advantage, even from Sordo, with visually so little effort. But appereances tricks everyone, if it's so easy why since beginning 2006 no one can defeat him at sealed surfaces....
is it in slow-mo or just a trial run?
Camera angle
@barsorrro here it is Loeb with his saxo:
v=ifawCXsYh0Q
Король асфальта!!!!!!!!!
vos pouvez stopper la voix de daniel sordoso avec la balance du volume
tout a droite
wery fast...wow :O
👍😍❤️💪
you giving sebastian loeb feedback on how to go faster??? hehehe
u gonna give tiger woods golfing advice next?
@barsorrro -6s in the second split...
Awesome!!
USA USA USA
Wawa World Rally Team
YA sure why not 9 time world champions need it too maybe I can be his driving coach XD anyways i was wrong he gets better exit speed his way and if he went wider any wheel spin would send him into the wall :(
hair pins need work he needs to swing a tig wider have more revs at look up so at the apex he can progressively feed sum clutch get sum power maybe a little wheel spin pushing him outside more and be faster but at the same time idk if hes thinking about tire wear and heat or not. if hes saving his tires that was perfect. but overall soo fast!! i hope one day i can be graced with one of his 7 wrc titles
Its a robot
no offence But there is no way I could listen to him and drive at the same time that is a feat in itself
@barsorrro You should also take a look at that...if you haven't done before:
v=IXCi5EtWi30
@tomana27ue
ken is an average driver.... he's average in north american rally. he's going to have to improve a LOT to be competitive in WRC.
I'd like to see Ken Block's SS15 and compare the two.
@LabRat4680 ken block is not good driver in WRC ..
@LabRat4680
Ken doesn't need any more embarrassing. ;)
@LabRat4680 *facepalm*
Jawolla... Dirt3 !! :D
Sebasphalt loll
So bad camera in 2010
funny language