Carnegie Hall Trumpet Master Class: Mahler's Symphony No. 5
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- Berlin Philharmonic principal trumpet player Gábor Tarkövi coaches Ismael Brandão on Mahler's Symphony No. 5. carnegiehall.org/workshops
Select members of the Berlin Philharmonic woodwind and brass sections led two days of master classes focusing on orchestral repertoire and audition preparation. Participating young artists attended panel discussions with the master class leaders and heard the Berlin Philharmonic in performance, led by Sir Simon Rattle, at Carnegie Hall.
Trumpet Master Class Participants
Ismael Brandão
Tristan Clarke
Sam Jones
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Thank you all for your kind comments, I really appreciate it. Some people mentioned my facial expression; Well, that is just how my face is, it is my happy face and my sad face as well.
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BEST,
Graeme Thies-Thompson thank you.
You can play this very beautiful. But what you and Mr. Tarkövi both miss is intention.
At least to my ears playing this part beautiful, is not enough.
There is a history behind it. When Mahler writes a funeral march he writes from personal experience. He lost 6 of his siblings while growing up and his father was abusive, his brother commited suicide at the age of 21 when Mahler was 25. So he knew pain.
This has to be more existentialist. A mixture of solemnity and accustation at the same time. "Why fate are you so cruel!"
And you can bet that it is absolutely no coincidence that it has the same rhythm as the opening of Beethoven's fifth. Which is also called a fate motif.
So I'd encourage you to try to work a little bit more pain into it. Then it is more Mahler.
Thank you, it is very helpful.
best,
Quotenwagnerianer- "existentialist"?
Ismael Brandão és português ou brasileiro?
Note his teaching technique; Praise for a good performance, then critique, with respect for the student at all times , then back to praise with sincerity to leave the student with honor and self respect . Well tempered instruction . I learned something Thank you Carnegei Hall, student and Mr. Tarkovi.
It's called a compliment sandwich
This response from our resident trumpet expert!
"Every rotary trumpet is different but it appears that Gabor has "Vienna Keys" or valves that open a vent hole on his instrument. The valve allows air to escape from the trumpet thus making certain notes easier to play and tune. These valves act as alternate fingerings. It appears that Gabor has 3 Vienna Keys and it should also be noted that the water key can act as a vent hole as well."
Hope this helps.
Carnegie Hall but a Schilke mouthpiece?
@@allwinds3786 I believe Gabor plays a yamaha mouthpiece.
@@MrJellyton its a breslmair mouthpiece
@@swaglord5909most likely, to fit the parameters of the rotary trumpet sound wave profile for the sound you want from that instrument. You could probably special order a Schilke to match a specific cup, drill, backbore, etc.I would love to own one like his, but that's a long term purchase for this rank amateur.
Gabor is an artist using the trumpet. Very refreshing.
Man. I like how the guy actually retained and used information given to him
This is a great example of the difference between a piston and rotor sound. Both Gabor and Ismael have great tone in their own rights, but you can't deny the varying brightness and clarity from each trumpet.
You think that's the trumpet? I disagree. I think you could swap the trumpets (not the M/P) and each player would sound 99% the same... (Give Wynton a crappy student Yamaha model and he'll still sound like Wynton!)
Although there are some subtle differences between piston and rotary vale trumpets for sure.... Just saying the player themselves have a bigger influence than the model of trumpet (and even the mouthpiece)
@@chriscoull1156 big disagree piston and rotary feel completely different to play and it will usually have an impact on tone color
@@maggoteater2290 Feel s different to the player yes I agree.... but try a 'Pepsi callange' as a listener.... and you'll find very marginal tone/ colour difference.
@@maggoteater2290 The two trumpet players in this clip have different sound and tones yes. What you are essentially saying is, that this difference is down to the differenc trumpets they are playing. I am saying that it is more to do with the player. Swap these trumpets around for these two players and they would pretty much sound the same....
My GOD HOW GOOD THEIR TONES ARE ! Amazing!
Practice
The rhythm is one thing that will cause an audition committee turn his card over. Yes, he sounds fantastic, but rhythmic precision is paramount.
The insightful comments Gabor imparts are treasures - every single nugget holds some special nuance that captures so much more than is typically performed even by many principal trumpets of the best orchestras in the world. I was in heaven throughout the master class first with the Petroushka analysis and now with Mahler 5. I truly hope some of the future trumpet virtuosos take the time to listen and watch this.
Good God, Gabor is a phenomenal player....the way he directs it just FEELS SO RIGHT!
Também estou assistindo e praticando a aula. Obrigado Gábor!
I'd want to study with him just for his accent...
Peyton Johnson lol
Ikr
You don't want to be teached by him he is one hell of a trumpet player but a bad teacher
your tones are soo clean
what a great video. As a teacher, I'm most impressed at the student at as a learner; the ability to take on information, retain it, then apply it to his craft immediately. The difference btwn the initial playing and subsequent playing of the opening was immense well done. Also more than ok to have a concentration face on. No need to smile and nod at everything the clinician has to offer.
When Tarkovi took the students trumpet his tone became much brighter. So a major part of his sound is equipment. But Tarkovi's attacks are impeccable and so amazingly appropriate for each phrase. Even the high super brilliant color he paints when at double forte are big, round and musical. I only wish I could play like this.
DUUUUDE THIS IS AMAZING!!!!
I like how both of them sound! I respect classical trumpeteers a lot! I couldn't do it, my tone is too much my own the blend, which is why I don't play trumpet! Go french horns!
Thanks! I thought they might be vents.
They seem to keep the higher range in tune really well.
que honor mas inmenso recibir una clase de GABOR TARKOVI.
So good. Thanks for posting.
Addiing my 2 cents the student was playing legato on most notes when stattacto and force was needed. He didnt interpret the music as needed . As he progressed he was playing more musically Mr Tarkovi was conveying feeling and emotion . the student became much more relaxed as the lesson contiued. Moreover a lesson in expression
très bon prof gabor on sent le professionnel d'orchestre de berlin c'est pas peu dire
those high notes at 2:35 uhf
Not so high, but yea, very good sound
***** it's a B, beautifull sound for such a note, but not that high
+Roy Dorssers an A on C trumpet
@@roydorssers1996 Actually an A
@@magiking96 That's not what he meant. He meant that the audio sucked.
He also uses a mouthpiece with a fairly deep cup ..which is common with players who use Rotary trumpets. I believe he uses a Yamaha 15E4 underpart with a custom made rim.
I am a singer but I love watching master classes of other instruments. it is so enriching because I learn so much about musicianship in the process.
Great teacher, great student. I like Tarkovi‘s ideas and teaching style. The student is very capable and professional.
Too bad that also in the other master class videos, the language barrier seemed to make it a bit hard for Tarkovi to convery his points to the extent he wants to, but he eventually managed.
convey
Am I the only pianist here? ....enjoyable masterclass!
Wow the second time he played it was very good
Great!!
nice!!! very good!!!
Bravo!
grande Tarkovi and Brandao
Nailed it
Why does it seem like all the best brass players have a gap between their two front teeth?
Because it gives them special brass playing powers
+MusicIsLife I'm professional trumpet play....I have this.....
Yes, indeed, and not all "gap teethers" seem to belong to the best brass players.
Extra air flow
People without teeth: reality can be whatever I want.
On his Rotary Trumpet, what are the levers he presses with his Pinky? are they vents? or do they push out the tuning slide?
They are water keys that are also used to adjust tuning
Are there many trumpet players who use fhorn keys? Is it more comfortable?
They aren't French horn keys. They are rotary valves.
It is just different, better designed for german music.
+Actual Pole German art of building valves called Zelinder Trompete or Konzert Trompete
Some/Most(?) rotary trumpets come with at least 2 keys like the ones you see on Gabor's trumpet. They're basically there for tuning purposes. Some have 3 or more like the one you see in the video. The keys basically give you more "room" for certain notes above the staff, if that makes any sense.
Its a bit harder to play but has a darker tone
It's partially the rotary trumpet; the bore is a bit more conical.
Question, how come in these masterclasses the students never seem to talk much. Although it is most certainly not a masterclass, in my private lessons, I am not only allowed by encouraged to speak and give feedback on my own playing and the piece. Are these students simply not allowed to speak or is it considered taboo? I would like to know.
I think there's just no reason for him to ask questions because the teacher makes himself clear and the student is very advanced and understands what the teacher means.
@@SpaghettiToaster and also you can be quite nervous when a camera is rolling
Yeah and there is always the risk of saying something that comes across not the way you want. Usually on my first lesson with a professor i just shut the fuck up I make minimal conversation and just listen
Some levers move slides. Others release the water from the horn.
The bore of his horn is slightly more conical than the piston trumpet; this gives it a slightly darker tone.
Nope. Rotary is MUCH more cylindrical and smaller bore. Bigger bell and deeper mouthpiece.
Is his rotary trumpet Bb or C ??
Does anyone know what that peddle trumpet is called?
It’s a rotary value trumpet. Not sure what exact trumpet he has though.
I like this without vibrato towards the end.
What type of trumpet is that, the valves on the side?
A german rotary trumpet
amazing tarkovi ... wow ... hm
Carnegie Hall’s new logo looks like that of a fried chicken fast food chain. It changes the whole vibe from Carnegie Hall to Chicken House lol.
You’re right 😂🐓🍗
What trumpet is he using?
It´s Schagerl rotary C-trumpet :)
From white skin to pink to red to purple in a few short bars!
practice every tone the deepest you can. deepest sounds best, will make your sound beautiful
alguien que traduzca?
parabéns me ajudou muito QUERO SER parceiro DO CANAL PARA INVESTIR
Who can say which musical instrument?
Кенан Рзаев trumpet
I know this trumpet but what kind of rotary trumpet
Gabor plays a Schagerl Rotary Trumpet; thinks its the "Hörsdorf Heavy" model....not really sure if its exactly that model, but definetly "Schagerl" ;)
Does anybody happen to know his brand of rotary trumpet?
He plays on schagerl trumpets
Does anyone have any information on the style of trympet Tarkövi plays? The extra keys, are they for intonation?
Boe1771 I would think so. Usually adding valves is for extending range and making more possibilities for alternative valve combinations for better intonation
Usually but really all the time
Theyr arn not valves. They are water keys that are also used to adjust tuning
Yup. Im a complete idiot.
kraftvoll
la difficulté c'est de tenir longtemps à l'orchestre .Ce n'est pas facile car si votre niveau diminue avec l'âge c'est normal .Plus de 30 ans dans un orchestre il n'y en a pas beaucoup mais en france on a connu pierre Pollin et roger Delmotte longtemps à l'opéra de paris et d'autres
There is again the triplet question that always comes up in Herseth’s playing.
Probably a combination of a rotary trumpet, his mouthpiece choice, and how he chooses to sound.
i find this classes so fucking painful, then you go to another teacher and they say to you something very different
Every master teaches his class differently
@@luisjimenez4986 I couldn’t agree more
i think it is the shape of the instrument. the crook i think has to do with it. it sounds a lot like the cornet
la trompette à palettes est mieux faite pour ce répertoire Et peut etre plus facile car elle est construite comme un bugle le premier tube ou on met l'embouchure est directement sur les tubes des palettes .Meme en france elle est de plus en plus jouée ce sont pour les grandes marques des instruments tres chers .David guerrier joue souvent sur une trompette à palettes sib
So you're telling me that this guy plays so flat that his main tuning slide is ALL the way in.
demonface INC no it’s a tuning bell trumpet, the bell moves and is the tuning slide. It’s thought to improve intonation.
Sin imágenes.
2:13 (for my personal reference)
en fait le maitre et l'élève se valent mais gabor a une grande expérience d'orchestre à berlin
the teacher plays more coloful, more like a story
@theimp, mark who?
From the Met - now retired. If so we have a mutual friend. And I believe I am friends with your HS teacher too. I don't like to throw out names. ;) I was a pretty good player ... now merely a has been lol !
The Imp I took 1 lesson with the Mark you're refering to, but I am definitely not one of his students. As for my hs teacher, was he a band director for Wood-Ridge middle and highschools?
Samuel Lee Well Mark and I have been friends for over 40 years and I used to study will Mel starting when I was 17and off an on for years among a load of other NY guys. I was more of a Bob McCoy , Jim Maxwell player who I also spent a bunch of time with. I am 62 now. I thought you might have been a guy that studied a long time with MG who was highly thought of and his first name was also Sam and went to HS in Morristown. I wish you well with any auditions. You have confidence and as a principal player that is a lot of the battle ! Play on !
definitely A Schagerl
I thought it was a Mendini by Cecilio trumpet
@@luisjimenez4986 so funny. You should be a comedian
Nobody laugh but why on earth are the keys on the side like a French horn. Is it a different style trumpet?
Yes it's a german rotary trumpet. They are the standard in germany and austria and have a darker tone
lorsque l'élève joue mieux que le maitre c'est dur à supporter mais c'est la vie.Il faut l'admettre
Probably a Schagerl or a Galileo.
En español
is it just me or does the student have the wrong fingerings the first time he plays it?
Dude, its a C trumpet.
Schagerl
NO WAY SONG OF LETHARGY IS REAL?!!?!?!?!?!?!?
REAL
his english is hilarious
I dislike only one thing but it is a big pet peave of mine. Gabors attack and subsequent tone production, creates a "dwah" sound, especially the second phrase they work on. Should be a clean t type attack sound that creates a tone with no buildup. It should be full instantly.
you're an idiot.
***** Oh come on now. You're the only one who looks bad because you haven't backed up your opinion. This is an important discussion that essentially boils down to American vs. European style. It's a discussion that doesn't happen a lot, so why shoot it down?
starwarsjunkie7777
:)
Sam did you study with Mark ?
+owen wu its german style playing which isn't wrong especially for Mahler
cet élève est calme et studieux presque taciturne quel dommage car il intégrera facilement un orchestre symphonique
I hate his attacks
Then go practice! it's no good complainting.
Wow....this Hungarian man plays like a reverse tape recorder....
Forget style, that dont even matter if you are going to play mahler. in fact the most important thing is to play everything at triple quadruple fortississimo thats all that matters
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
The young player has absolutely no facial expressions
ahem ... so what? He is a terrific trumpet player. He would feel under great pressure, too.
Chris Hamilton so what? He needs to smile, radiate personality and charisma when he plays. Like Richard Simmons playing trumpet. In fact, he should probably wear false eyelashes. That would help too. It's all about showmanship.
No it is all about musicianship
@@shawnhampton8503 smiling while playing is not a good idea
@@shawnhampton8503 You're an idiot
Ismael looks as if he wished to be somewhere else.
This kid is so lazy with his sixteenths, and he doesn't listen to Gabor that well at all... such a shame
Gabor is actually playing 32nd notes. I know that a lot of pros do this for effect, but
it's not fair to blame the kid.
Dr. Logos
He's definitely playing sixteenth notes. If you look at the excerpts sheet music and subdivide the rhythm, you will find out that Gabor is playing it in rhythm, not rushing and not playing half the note value. He is anticipating the beat if anything. Pros don't use incorrect rhythm for effect, they play the page with musicality.
Austin Smith You are right; I found an excerpt and saw that I was hearing the tempo half time. Then, the kid was playing 8th notes much of the time. I've heard pros half sixteenth notes for clarity, but I jumped to conclusions. I suppose that it would be more taboo to do that when you're playing a part in a symphony piece as opposed to a solo.
The student has no clue how to play a dotted eighth-16th rhythm. And he keeps making the same mistakes. He's not listening to the pros advice!
+John DelVento I thought it was a double dotted quarter/sixteenth rhythm. IDK, I've never seen the sheet music for the 1st trumpet part, only the 1st tbone part.
+William Robinson it is.
+William Robinson it is double dotted quarter 16th
William Robinson elaborate
Well, there isn't enough room in the comments section to describe my point. Its not a style thing, its a faulty trumpet tone thing. Im happy to demonstrate in person as I am a professional trumpet player. I will also be taking the ny phil principal trumpet audition, so im not unfamiliar with the rules of orchestral trumpeting. I didnt feel like arguing over youtube, a place where most can't really play the trumpet. To be more blunt, rotary trumpets are trash and gabor is NOT a legend like vachianno, herseth.
Sam did you study with Mark ?
LOL. Are you joking? Obviously your 'point' has no validity.
"I didnt feel like arguing over youtube, a place where most can't really play the trumpet."
Are you serious dude? PLEASE tell me you're joking.
Gabor Tarkovi may not be a legend (yet) but he is without doubt one of the worlds finest classical trumpet players.
Please, upload a video of yourself so you can "describe your point." I really want to hear you play, you must be so much better than Gabor. Lmao.
SE where are you? In the nyc area? Id be happy to play for your disrespectful ass. Cause im not famous, yet, means I don't know what im talking about? To be honest my sound is too big, im struggling to get it recorded. To me, you can't even begin to compare yourself to the titans if you can't swing and play jazz. Im just critiquing attack, and yes, I would prefer to demonstrate in person. And yes, I would bury both guys playing in this video at the same time, but that is due to proper tone production (see Bill Adam pedagogy). And I am auditioning for the New York Philharmonic principal trumpet job this fall. Email me, samuel.e.lee@gmail.com. consider this a call out.
SE so what are your credentials? Again, im new on the scene, but you will definitely be hearing about me.
Samuel Lee You're hilarious dude. Please keep in mind I have made ZERO claims about my own trumpet playing abilities. I just find it unbelievable that you're trash talking the principal trumpet player of the Berlin Philharmonic, and you're claiming you're better than him. If you really want to know, I'm a high school student (LOL). Like I said, I didn't make any claims on my own abilities.
And please, tell me how that audition goes. Just want to let you know, just because you're auditioning doesn't mean jack shit.
I hope you're a troll.
"To be honest my sound is too big, im struggling to get it recorded... And yes, I would bury both guys playing in this video at the same time, but that is due to proper tone production "
LMAO. Way to be modest! If you're this arrogant, I doubt you'll be getting very far in your "career. "
I also find it funny that you refuse to put up a video. It's not very hard to do, and it would be a perfect representation of your skills, just like it would be in person. I mean, you REALLY have the guts to say that most people on TH-cam don't know anything about trumpet, but you won't even put up a video? LOLLLLL
The professor can be a pro but his communications skills need to improve.His English is weird!But he is doing his best!