I've watched this film multiple times and watched countless reactions. No matter what it is, I cry. Every. Single. Time. In every multiverse. What a phenomenal film this is. My favourite film of all time.
Same, this movie hits me in ways I have wished a story would move me for decades. I've seen the visitor, kpax, little Buddha, 7 years in Tibet, tons of films that touch on deep meaning but this film truly takes the medium to new heights. I've heard it described as a home cooked meal after years of fast food, and that seems an apt analogy.
It made my top 5 all time after a single viewing. I'm not ready to give it the TOP spot (it will always be Empire Strikes Back), but I'm comfortable giving it #2.
This has become one of my favorite movies of all time. It just hits me so hard every time I watch it, or watch a reaction of it. Something that a lot of people noticed is that while the bagel represents nihilism, while the googly eyes being the bagel's opposite represents existentialism. Joy feels that nothing matters, while Evelyn tries to embrace Waymond's views, and find meaning within the vast meaninglessness of the multiverse.
1:05:55 (CW, suicide) Not only is the bagel depression, but Joy is experiencing thoughts of self harm throughout the film. When she switches universes, an alternate self is driving a truck into another vehicle. She lets herself be shot by the security guard before turning that blood into ketchup. She cuts her stomach open in the drawing world, which then cuts to her piñata self being burst open. The rock joy attempts to jump off the cliff. And Joy reveals later that the entire reason she made the bagel was to see if she could actually die if she jumped in. "Jobu Tupaki's" goal is to see if her mom can help with her depression, but doing so only sends Evelyn into her own depressive episode. And once Waymond helps her out of that, Joy's goal becomes jumping into the Bagel by herself. I think it's really great that the film is so subtle and subconscious with these themes, so that most people don't get the literal message but still get the emotional ones. It feels like she wants things to stop, and people can relate to that emotion without being triggered by the implication of what that emotion causes within the character. Because the film is already emotionally overwhelming as it is without having to deal with such subject matter explicitly.
It's definitely one of those films that will resonate somehow with everyone, I think. And even on the re-watch whilst I was editing, I cried more then than I did the first time, because I'd had a chance to really sit and think about the elements of the story, and got to see a lot of littler details I'd missed the first time. Thank you for the input about Joy's side of things, I can certainly see it now you've put it out there.
I think the bagel represents more than just depression. It is also Death, and more than that, the Abyss. "Eventually, it all goes away." Billions of people have lived and died, but you could scour the Earth today and find not a single person that knows anything about 99.99999% of them. Not that individual's name, what they looked like, what their hopes and fears were, how they lived, how they died. It's like they never even existed. And in a few thousand years, chances are that the same will be said about any one of us. Go farther and the human race will not even be a memory because there will be no living things to remember us. "All we have is a few specks of time where anything makes any sense." Depression, and with it, existential despair.
The two dedicated fighters (who "used" the trophies) are played by Brian and Andy Le, brothers who also did all the fight choreography. They found teaching Michelle Yeoh to be a surreal experience. Both also did stunt/fight work in Shang Chi (with Andy being the masked fighter who tormented Shang through most of his life).
@@JabberwockyReacts The factoids and easter eggs in this movie are so amazing, they make me love the movie even more. The directors, Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert are just hilarious, awesome human beings, it's worth watching interviews with them! They had 1 movie under their belt before this and were most known for Swiss Army Man' and doing the music video for 'Turn down for what' which stars one of the directors-Dan Kwan. It only has like 1.2 billion views 😅 The sex dungeon guy in the movie is the other director-Dan Schienert. His favorite thing to say to get people to relax and just get things done was: " Come on people, we're not making an Oscar movie here." Haha. They insisted on bringing not just the cast to the Oscars, but all the crew, and they arrived in a big party bus! The Oscars people weren't going to let them in, which is hilarious when they swept the show. The backstory of how a little Indie was shot in 38 days for 14 million and edited and post over Zoom by 5 friends who aren't formally trained VFX artists is wild. I love how the now most awarded movie of all time features a butt plug kung fu scene. 🤌 masterpiece.
If nothing matters, everything has the meaning you give it... and everything matters. In the end, Enelyn heard the call of the rest of the multiverse--of all she could have been and isn't--and chose, again, to be with her family. It's a constant struggle, it's a choice she's going to have to make again and again for the rest of her life. It's not easy, but the rewards of being fully present are worth it.
One of the main themes about this movie that I missed at the time is about the effects of ADHD, especially when it's been undiagnosed in adults. Daniel Kwan was researching it for this movie when he realised he had ADHD himself, and that is reflected in the character of Evelyn. I didn't notice myself, but to one of my friends (who was diagnosed himself a short while before seeing the movie) could see it plain as day as it reflected some of his own experiences.
Oh also, has someone told you yet - the guy who loves getting spanked is a cameo by one of the directors! These guys have a great sense of humor (On a more serious note though, as silly as that moment is, I actually love that kinky roleplay is that guy's moment of happiness, and is just as valid as the weddings and puppies and ice cream! This movie has such a sincere love and acceptance of human weirdness in all its forms)
I also ignored this movie...usually don't like a lot of over hyped movies. But it blew me away. It became one of my favorite movies ever. My favorite part is when I realized, after watching other people's reactions, that when the kung fu master says even the cookie is kung fu it reflects on Waymond. What does he do for the auditor? Bakes her the same cookies. That is Waymond's kung fu.
Yeah, the bagel clearly can represent depression (and I think that was the main intention), but one of the many stellar aspects of this movie is that the viewer can find themselves reflected in the film, no matter what their personal baggage.
I saw this in the Theater and cried my eyes out. Normally this type of reaction to a movie would keep me from going back to watch again where everyone can see me get so emotional, but with this one I didn't give a shit, I went back and watched it 2 more time (3 total) and then bought it as soon as I could. A couple fun facts you might appreciate: 1) The budget for this movie was a tiny $25 Million... and then according to 1 of the Producers, they were actually able to pull all of this off for only $14 Million. Freaking Insane!! The budget was so small that Jamie-Lee hired Food-Trucks multiple times out of her own personal pocket in order to feed the cast and crew. On Hot-Dog fingers day, she paid for a Hot-Dog truck to provide lunch. 2) They filmed this movie in only 38 days due to the COVID lockdown that occurred. Also unbelievable but true. 3) OFC it won every Oscar, but some ppl are pretty pissed Best Supporting Actress went to Jamie Lee instead of Stephanie Hsu (the daughter). The explanation is that the Academy was doing a 'make-up award' type situation since they've never given Jamie Lee an Oscar. I also agree it should have gone to Stephanie. 4) Not sure if you realized it, but Ke Huay Quon (Waymond) was the actor who played Data and Shortround in Goonies and Indiana Jones respectively. He gave up acting for about 40 years due to a lack of roles for Asian actors in Hollywood. His Oscar acceptance speech is worth watching. 5) The S&M guy who gets spanked is played by one of the Directors (Daniels). The 2 'butt plug' actors are actually the stunt coordinators in the movie. Anyways, great reaction and thanks for reading if you've made it this far!!
I was really impressed by how you said the next lines before they were said by the actors and gave the next plot points before they appeared. You were obviously in synch with the movie. What did I get from it? Don't push away everyone who loves you and wants to help, the way Evelyn did. And you've got to be kind, especially when you don't know what's going on.
1:14:45 Ke Huy Quan was due to return as Short Round in _Indiana Jones and the Lost Remote_ but new technologies like the internet and mobile phones meant people stopped watching TV; nobody cared about the remote anymore so the project was cancelled. Now we’ll never get to hear him say “Indy, I found it!” 😔
IMO the bagel isn't so much about abyss or depression, it is about how for all her lives every single moment has included every failure, every mistake made, every time she let herself or someone else down, but the bagel was a way to stop that happening any more, she tried mentally accepting nihilism, nothing matters, bleakness, but still every moment was spent knowing where she failed something. I had an epiphany, about we should not be nice to others "because when you are older, they will be nice to you", you are treating them nice because that is how you want others to treat other people that you will never ever meet. You are nice to someone not for what they will do for you but just because you want to be nice to them, they are nice to someone else, that someone else is nice to another, and long after you are dead, people will act the way you think people should act to each other because you acted like that to others. It's the closest we get to real immortality: our wishes live on in others, forever. It wasn't due to this movie, it came because someone did the trope of "be nice otherwise when you are old and feeble..." but it doesn't work on narcissists, they don't believe they will ever get old until they are, and it is too late by then. So, realising that, why should people "be kind to one another"? Not for myself, not for MY old age, but just because it is how I wanted people to be with each other.
Haha, so true - and thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed! I honestly think I still just have that toxic "hold them tears in" mentality so I make jokes to stop myself from crying lmao
35:28 I think of the film _Frankie and Johnny_ (1991), which is an adaptation of the play _Frankie and Johnny in the Clair de Lune_ (1987), which was inspired by the murder ballad _Frankie and Johnny,_ which is based on the true murder of Allen Britt by his girlfriend Frankie Barker in St. Louis on October 15th, 1899.
Funny you should mention the C-word; they apparently wrapped filming right as quarantine lockdown was ordered. ETA: I just realized that my mother probably right about the time this movie wrapped, and we had SO many issues. I now think about how much I wish we could have watched this together, to maybe help clear the air.
"Does the bagel represent depression?" In a way, it does. The more accurate way would be - Going into the bagel represents committing suicide from depression. And being exposed to the bagel increases thoughts of nihilism, which are the cause of Joy's and Jobu's depression. The feeling that nothing matters is what causes them to want to commit suicide. But based on the way it affects other people near the bagel, suicide seems to be more accurate. It's a way for multiversal beings to kill themselves, at least that's how Jobu intended it to be used
The bagel represent nihilism (all darkness with only a small glimpse of light in the middle). Opposite of it are the googley eyes (all lightness but only a small bit of darkness). So in a way, the bagel does represent depression. Because when you’re in a depressive episode, nothing in life matters.
I think it's a nihilism bagel more so than a depression bagel - "nothing matters so there is no reason to try or even to live", vs the existentialism googly eyes - "nothing matters so we are free to do whatever will make us happy and find our own meaning"
Speaking abour Aya Cash, the actress that plays Stormfront, the first time I saw her was in her series called You're The Worst. Honestly such a great series
1:00:30 That's an excellent point. Makes perfect sense! Seen a thousand rxns to this movie but never actually thought of that. Btw, if you'd like another fantastical (and only slightly less chaotic) movie featuring the IRS, you should see Stranger Than Fiction. Lovely rxn video.
Kind of a weird type of reaction. You kind of act as if you're smarter than your viewers and know what's going on before it even happens. It would probably help your viewership by loads if you were to drop your shield and allow your reaction to be slightly more authentic. Just sayin'.
I've watched this film multiple times and watched countless reactions. No matter what it is, I cry. Every. Single. Time. In every multiverse. What a phenomenal film this is. My favourite film of all time.
Same, this movie hits me in ways I have wished a story would move me for decades. I've seen the visitor, kpax, little Buddha, 7 years in Tibet, tons of films that touch on deep meaning but this film truly takes the medium to new heights. I've heard it described as a home cooked meal after years of fast food, and that seems an apt analogy.
It made my top 5 all time after a single viewing. I'm not ready to give it the TOP spot (it will always be Empire Strikes Back), but I'm comfortable giving it #2.
This has become one of my favorite movies of all time. It just hits me so hard every time I watch it, or watch a reaction of it. Something that a lot of people noticed is that while the bagel represents nihilism, while the googly eyes being the bagel's opposite represents existentialism. Joy feels that nothing matters, while Evelyn tries to embrace Waymond's views, and find meaning within the vast meaninglessness of the multiverse.
It was a truly beautiful film! I loved it and loved it even more on the watch along whilst editing!
1:05:55 (CW, suicide)
Not only is the bagel depression, but Joy is experiencing thoughts of self harm throughout the film. When she switches universes, an alternate self is driving a truck into another vehicle. She lets herself be shot by the security guard before turning that blood into ketchup. She cuts her stomach open in the drawing world, which then cuts to her piñata self being burst open. The rock joy attempts to jump off the cliff. And Joy reveals later that the entire reason she made the bagel was to see if she could actually die if she jumped in. "Jobu Tupaki's" goal is to see if her mom can help with her depression, but doing so only sends Evelyn into her own depressive episode. And once Waymond helps her out of that, Joy's goal becomes jumping into the Bagel by herself.
I think it's really great that the film is so subtle and subconscious with these themes, so that most people don't get the literal message but still get the emotional ones. It feels like she wants things to stop, and people can relate to that emotion without being triggered by the implication of what that emotion causes within the character. Because the film is already emotionally overwhelming as it is without having to deal with such subject matter explicitly.
It's definitely one of those films that will resonate somehow with everyone, I think. And even on the re-watch whilst I was editing, I cried more then than I did the first time, because I'd had a chance to really sit and think about the elements of the story, and got to see a lot of littler details I'd missed the first time.
Thank you for the input about Joy's side of things, I can certainly see it now you've put it out there.
Thanks for making me love this even more. How is that possible
I think the bagel represents more than just depression. It is also Death, and more than that, the Abyss.
"Eventually, it all goes away."
Billions of people have lived and died, but you could scour the Earth today and find not a single person that knows anything about 99.99999% of them. Not that individual's name, what they looked like, what their hopes and fears were, how they lived, how they died. It's like they never even existed.
And in a few thousand years, chances are that the same will be said about any one of us. Go farther and the human race will not even be a memory because there will be no living things to remember us.
"All we have is a few specks of time where anything makes any sense."
Depression, and with it, existential despair.
Isn't this movie so cathartic? Greeting from the other side of the world at 5:00 am
The two dedicated fighters (who "used" the trophies) are played by Brian and Andy Le, brothers who also did all the fight choreography. They found teaching Michelle Yeoh to be a surreal experience. Both also did stunt/fight work in Shang Chi (with Andy being the masked fighter who tormented Shang through most of his life).
That's amazing!! Thank you for sharing that, I love that fact!
@@JabberwockyReacts The factoids and easter eggs in this movie are so amazing, they make me love the movie even more. The directors, Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert are just hilarious, awesome human beings, it's worth watching interviews with them! They had 1 movie under their belt before this and were most known for Swiss Army Man' and doing the music video for 'Turn down for what' which stars one of the directors-Dan Kwan. It only has like 1.2 billion views 😅 The sex dungeon guy in the movie is the other director-Dan Schienert. His favorite thing to say to get people to relax and just get things done was: " Come on people, we're not making an Oscar movie here." Haha. They insisted on bringing not just the cast to the Oscars, but all the crew, and they arrived in a big party bus! The Oscars people weren't going to let them in, which is hilarious when they swept the show. The backstory of how a little Indie was shot in 38 days for 14 million and edited and post over Zoom by 5 friends who aren't formally trained VFX artists is wild. I love how the now most awarded movie of all time features a butt plug kung fu scene. 🤌 masterpiece.
Such a phenomenal movie in every way. It deserves to be the most awarded movie of all time.
If nothing matters, everything has the meaning you give it... and everything matters. In the end, Enelyn heard the call of the rest of the multiverse--of all she could have been and isn't--and chose, again, to be with her family. It's a constant struggle, it's a choice she's going to have to make again and again for the rest of her life. It's not easy, but the rewards of being fully present are worth it.
One of the main themes about this movie that I missed at the time is about the effects of ADHD, especially when it's been undiagnosed in adults. Daniel Kwan was researching it for this movie when he realised he had ADHD himself, and that is reflected in the character of Evelyn. I didn't notice myself, but to one of my friends (who was diagnosed himself a short while before seeing the movie) could see it plain as day as it reflected some of his own experiences.
Yeah, I can definitely see it now you've mentioned it. The scattered brain, difficulty focusing, etc. Especially the "what-if's" of it all.
This film seriously makes me feel every emotion in the book. Or how I've come to explain it "I really felt everything, everywhere, all at once"💙💙
Oh also, has someone told you yet - the guy who loves getting spanked is a cameo by one of the directors! These guys have a great sense of humor
(On a more serious note though, as silly as that moment is, I actually love that kinky roleplay is that guy's moment of happiness, and is just as valid as the weddings and puppies and ice cream! This movie has such a sincere love and acceptance of human weirdness in all its forms)
I also ignored this movie...usually don't like a lot of over hyped movies. But it blew me away. It became one of my favorite movies ever. My favorite part is when I realized, after watching other people's reactions, that when the kung fu master says even the cookie is kung fu it reflects on Waymond. What does he do for the auditor? Bakes her the same cookies. That is Waymond's kung fu.
Yeah, the bagel clearly can represent depression (and I think that was the main intention), but one of the many stellar aspects of this movie is that the viewer can find themselves reflected in the film, no matter what their personal baggage.
I saw this in the Theater and cried my eyes out. Normally this type of reaction to a movie would keep me from going back to watch again where everyone can see me get so emotional, but with this one I didn't give a shit, I went back and watched it 2 more time (3 total) and then bought it as soon as I could. A couple fun facts you might appreciate:
1) The budget for this movie was a tiny $25 Million... and then according to 1 of the Producers, they were actually able to pull all of this off for only $14 Million. Freaking Insane!! The budget was so small that Jamie-Lee hired Food-Trucks multiple times out of her own personal pocket in order to feed the cast and crew. On Hot-Dog fingers day, she paid for a Hot-Dog truck to provide lunch.
2) They filmed this movie in only 38 days due to the COVID lockdown that occurred. Also unbelievable but true.
3) OFC it won every Oscar, but some ppl are pretty pissed Best Supporting Actress went to Jamie Lee instead of Stephanie Hsu (the daughter). The explanation is that the Academy was doing a 'make-up award' type situation since they've never given Jamie Lee an Oscar. I also agree it should have gone to Stephanie.
4) Not sure if you realized it, but Ke Huay Quon (Waymond) was the actor who played Data and Shortround in Goonies and Indiana Jones respectively. He gave up acting for about 40 years due to a lack of roles for Asian actors in Hollywood. His Oscar acceptance speech is worth watching.
5) The S&M guy who gets spanked is played by one of the Directors (Daniels). The 2 'butt plug' actors are actually the stunt coordinators in the movie. Anyways, great reaction and thanks for reading if you've made it this far!!
I was really impressed by how you said the next lines before they were said by the actors and gave the next plot points before they appeared. You were obviously in synch with the movie. What did I get from it? Don't push away everyone who loves you and wants to help, the way Evelyn did. And you've got to be kind, especially when you don't know what's going on.
Perfect timing for this upload 👍
That feeling of being pulled in every direction is very much inspired by ADHD, all her interests, the chaos of it all.
1:14:45 Ke Huy Quan was due to return as Short Round in _Indiana Jones and the Lost Remote_ but new technologies like the internet and mobile phones meant people stopped watching TV; nobody cared about the remote anymore so the project was cancelled. Now we’ll never get to hear him say “Indy, I found it!” 😔
IMO the bagel isn't so much about abyss or depression, it is about how for all her lives every single moment has included every failure, every mistake made, every time she let herself or someone else down, but the bagel was a way to stop that happening any more, she tried mentally accepting nihilism, nothing matters, bleakness, but still every moment was spent knowing where she failed something.
I had an epiphany, about we should not be nice to others "because when you are older, they will be nice to you", you are treating them nice because that is how you want others to treat other people that you will never ever meet. You are nice to someone not for what they will do for you but just because you want to be nice to them, they are nice to someone else, that someone else is nice to another, and long after you are dead, people will act the way you think people should act to each other because you acted like that to others. It's the closest we get to real immortality: our wishes live on in others, forever. It wasn't due to this movie, it came because someone did the trope of "be nice otherwise when you are old and feeble..." but it doesn't work on narcissists, they don't believe they will ever get old until they are, and it is too late by then. So, realising that, why should people "be kind to one another"? Not for myself, not for MY old age, but just because it is how I wanted people to be with each other.
With a solid 45 minutes of the movie being cry worthy, I'm impressed you lasted so long tbh 😅
Great reaction.
Haha, so true - and thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed! I honestly think I still just have that toxic "hold them tears in" mentality so I make jokes to stop myself from crying lmao
I listened to you for 30 seconds and pegged you as a fellow Australian. G’day!
35:28 I think of the film _Frankie and Johnny_ (1991), which is an adaptation of the play _Frankie and Johnny in the Clair de Lune_ (1987), which was inspired by the murder ballad _Frankie and Johnny,_ which is based on the true murder of Allen Britt by his girlfriend Frankie Barker in St. Louis on October 15th, 1899.
Funny you should mention the C-word; they apparently wrapped filming right as quarantine lockdown was ordered.
ETA: I just realized that my mother probably right about the time this movie wrapped, and we had SO many issues. I now think about how much I wish we could have watched this together, to maybe help clear the air.
"Does the bagel represent depression?"
In a way, it does. The more accurate way would be - Going into the bagel represents committing suicide from depression. And being exposed to the bagel increases thoughts of nihilism, which are the cause of Joy's and Jobu's depression. The feeling that nothing matters is what causes them to want to commit suicide. But based on the way it affects other people near the bagel, suicide seems to be more accurate. It's a way for multiversal beings to kill themselves, at least that's how Jobu intended it to be used
The bagel represent nihilism (all darkness with only a small glimpse of light in the middle). Opposite of it are the googley eyes (all lightness but only a small bit of darkness).
So in a way, the bagel does represent depression. Because when you’re in a depressive episode, nothing in life matters.
41:41 Aussie Aussie Aussie! We don’t censor shit Down Under, especially if that shit’s _used_ down under. 😜
I think it's a nihilism bagel more so than a depression bagel - "nothing matters so there is no reason to try or even to live", vs the existentialism googly eyes - "nothing matters so we are free to do whatever will make us happy and find our own meaning"
Speaking abour Aya Cash, the actress that plays Stormfront, the first time I saw her was in her series called You're The Worst. Honestly such a great series
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Reads the title to this vid, break out into a **Maniacal Laugh **
The guys who do the martial arts choreography for this movie (the "butt plug guys") are from another TH-cam channel called Martial Club.
i love them.
Yes, they are actually the Fight Choreographers for the Film. What a role to choose for yourself! I freakin' love it!
1:00:30 That's an excellent point. Makes perfect sense! Seen a thousand rxns to this movie but never actually thought of that.
Btw, if you'd like another fantastical (and only slightly less chaotic) movie featuring the IRS, you should see Stranger Than Fiction.
Lovely rxn video.
44:17 As a fellow Australian, I also immediately jumped to doughnut (note: not donut, stupid Americans can’t spell). Bagels aren’t big down here.
Also, the spanking guy is one of the directors
32:21 Mustard? Compliments, not condiments! 🤦♂️ Also… penchant, not petulant! 🤣
6:55 Thank God we speak Australian instead, eh?
Can you please share what drugs you’re on with the class that you laughed so much throughout the movie?
Truly just ✨vibes✨
I had to laugh or I would have started crying and then never stopped 💀
You'd have to be on serious drugs to *not* laugh at the combination of absurd irreverence and endearing sincerity this gem showcases.
Kind of a weird type of reaction. You kind of act as if you're smarter than your viewers and know what's going on before it even happens. It would probably help your viewership by loads if you were to drop your shield and allow your reaction to be slightly more authentic. Just sayin'.
I know this is a reaction video but you shouldn't be so preoccupied about making commentaries and instead engage and let the movie take you on a ride.
Why the mocking attitude!
Huh? Did we watch the same reaction???
It's not mocking, she's just someone who jokes when they are emotionally uncomfortable. You don't know anyone like this?? 🤔