This was a beast to do and I hope y’all enjoy it! I did my best with the research but please let me know if I accidentally included any misinformation.
Great video! One slight error is although those subbook titles (e.g. The Ring Goes South, the Treason of Isengard) were part of Tolkien's plan at one point, they were actually abandoned before publication. If you check your paperback or hardcover, you won't see those titles
@Daniel Greene how did you not talk about Tolkien’s religious faith at all? Catholicism’s influence on his life and his work can hardly be over stated and excluding it is terribly ignorant.
Great video! I greatly encourage you to do a breakdown of C.S. Lewis's lessor know Si-Fi series Out of the Silent Planet (The Ransome) trilogy. Look forward to seeing more great productions like this.
When it comes to Tolkien and his effect on the fantasy genre I think Terry Pratchett said it best; "J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it’s big and up close. Sometimes it’s a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it’s not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji."
It's worth stressing just how horrific the battle of Somme was and how Tolkien lost all of his friends through his military service while he was battling illness the entire time (trench fever). He talked in his letters about how writing was an escape for him, and it's easy to see how he became the father of fantasy out of necessity to create some light in his own bleak world.
@@ANT96-x8d Hard disagree. Most Tolkien scholars who have expressed their opinions publicly also strongly disagree. I think people should stop treating the early 2000s New Line movies as faithful adaptations instead of the creative reinterpretations that they actually are.
Tolkien: why is Santa palling around with Lion Jesus and ELVES, Lewis?! Keep your mythology straight, Lewis! Lewis: For the millionth time Tolkien they’re CHINDRENS’ BOOKS! Children don’t care as much as you about Beowulf and all these other ancient texts!
2001-2003 were arguably the best years of my life due to the new line trilogy. It ignited a blossoming love of reading and single handedly stopped me from following my friends down a bad path. LOTR will forever hold a special place in my heart, and I hope I die listening to the coronation sequence at the end of return of the king.
@@edmaldonado8207I did cry when I watched that scene the first time. I'm sure I must have seemed unhinged. I yelled at my mother to leave when she entered the room. 😅😂
Fun fact the Danish Queen was a big LOTR fan as a teenager and wrote letters to Tolkien with some art she made. So now some of the Danish editions of LOTR includes her art
WWI Info: So many students joined up for the war, there were only 24 in Tolkien's graduating class, so the pressure to enlist was real. Later, two of Tolkien's three closest friends died during the war. Inspiration for LOTR: The relationship between Sam Gamgee and Frodo is largely based on the relationship between British officers and their "batmen" assistants in the war. The Dead Marshes also bear a strong resemblance to the battlefield of the Somme, and early drafts of the Fall of Gondolin include metal siege engines and street fighting akin to tanks and urban warfare. I can't find the source, but I've heard it said that Tolkien's four hobbits are partly inspired by Tolkien and his three friends, in a way giving them the adventure that war never was. I'd also like to add that while the Great War certainly impacted Tolkien's writing, The Lord of the Rings should not be thought of as an allegory for the world wars; the author himself said as much on more than one occasion. It's operating on a larger allegorical scale than any single historical event.
I might be in the minority, but I actually Wanted to hear more about Tolkien's life, as I can only see it reflecting more in what he wrote as well. Mind you, I was also a big fan of the Tolkein movie, even if the majority of its focus was on his time at university
No. I completely agree. This video purports to be about Tolkien and his novel, but then 80% of it ended up being about adaptations that were made decades after Tolkien died.
What I love most about Jackson's films were how they made Tolkien universal. Usually, "going mainstream" is a bummer for a fandom, but in a way, Tolkien was ALWAYS mainstream... just mainstream among the 10% of people who'd read it. But with the films now everyone understands Middle-Earth enough that it's part of the common lexicon and can be used as cultural shorthand. It's amazing that we now live in a world where everyone knows what I mean when I say "Gandalf" or "hobbits" or "the Shire" or "Gollum" or "my precious" or "throwing the ring into Mt. Doom," whether they're a huge Led Zeppelin fan or not.
What I'd love to see? Adaptation of Beren+Luthien in an untraditional short season format, say six 40-60 minute episodes. Couple that with a short film that can serve as a trailer for the entire adaptation of the Silmarillion which can be done in a similar way that Peter J did for the Fellowship "Intro" to the Middle Earth history. The short film could be VERY short and give a broad show of what we could be seeing in the future and what "could" be possible, but vague enough that as time goes by it can be built upon as part of the first episode to each season to give the viewer a handy-dandy RECAP of where we currently are at chronologically.. I think the Tolkien "universe" has such potential as an ongoing series where each season focuses on a different branch with feature length films scattered around the place and short films here and there. Story plots that explore more of the world should be given a season even if it is a short season so they can spend more time world and character building as those will directly impact each branch going forwards. The Silmarillion can be the Trunk of a tree and the seasons/films/shortfilms are like branches and they can just spread out as it all comes into focus. How would this ever fly? How to get rights? Take the story that has it all.. world building, mystery, romance, action... EPIC ACTION and badassery, political stress, drama.. damn you name it and the Beren&Luthien has the potential to excel at it! (Minus erotic stuff.. sure it'll get views but then you are doing the adaptation purely for fanservice and money and the Tolkien estate won't even breathe your air) So? Make an adaptation that honors the core. Pilot short that gives a show that you want to build out the world and dedicate real effort into the elegance of the unique languages.. a dive into how Tolkien really developed those cultures. Then an artistic adaptation that suits the masterpiece. Call me crazy but I'd love to see how Guillermo del Toro would do the Beren&Luthien adaptation.. he is so great at "strange" and different while adding such depth and emotion to scenes with no dialogue. Maybe if it goes well Peter J would be interested in tune in? If passionate producers/directors were given free reign they could do such an amazing adaptation even on a low budget, as Peter J proved to us. But greed and quantity profits get in the way of quality.... Or maybe Mr.Beast can fund it, knowing he'd make history.. That would be funny, Jimmy goes from youtuber to funding quality projects. :P
Not replying about the idea in general, but the season format you're suggesting here is fairly common actually, and is called a "Mini-Series". Just a series with a predetermined number of episodes that goes through its run and ends.
It should be noted when talking about Tolkien and World War I is that he enlisted with a group of home town friends (I cant remember how many 3-5 I think) and he was the only one to return. His experiences and losses in the war greatly influenced his writing the Lord of the Rings.
Thank you so much for shouting out "On Fairy Stories!" It's such an underrated essay. I think it lends the best perspective on what it meant for Tolkien to "invent fantasy." He distilled it, and separated it from myth and children's story in a way that had not been done before. He set it aside from previous types of storytelling and wrote a rule book for it that in some ways, many authors still follow (whether or not they know it). Also, previous to the soviet live action adaptation, there was a very short Swedish one made. It may be my favorite out of the weird live action adaptations, especially due to the LIBERAL use of greenscreen. It can be found on youtube, called "Sagan om Ringen." (Also, in the Finnish Adaptation, Gollum briefly completely flashes the camera, so I guess that's worth a watch if you're into that) Great video overall! It's incredibly hard to actually do an overview on this series without taking for 16 hours, but you got most of the really important stuff!
My 3rd grade teacher read the illustrated hobbit to us when growing up (30 years gone now). I can still look back at that as the defining moment in my life. I immediately read it myself. Then read LoTR that same year. and from there my mother came home with the Dragon Reborn (bless her soul she didn't realize it was the 3rd book, I didn't care I literally read the book to pieces) and my fate was sealed. When your first 2 exposures to fantasy are Tolkien and Jordan, long form fantasy is where you are going to live foreverafter.
This is amazing! Would love to see a part two with all the miscellaneous Tolkien texts out there. Whenever you go to a good bookstore the Tolkien stuff is a couple shelves long - would love to see a breakdown of all that stuff as well. Cheers!
Memories of watching the extended version of all 3 films back to back then watching all the extended footage right after really makes me feel warm. So lucky to have those films be a part of my childhood.
On the topic of LOTR adaptations, I just wanted to give a shout out to the countless heavy metal "adaptations" and references: Black Sabbath's "The Wizard", Led Zeppelin's "Ramble On", Rush's "Rivendell", Blind Guardian's album "Nightfall on Middle Earth", Amon Amarth's band name, Cirith Ungol's band name, Falls of Rauros band name, and a million others. Tolkien's influence on the genre is extremely difficult to overstate.
I remember the animated Hobbit and return of the king movies growing up. My mom would take me to the library and every single time, i would rush to check the VHS collection in hopes of being able to get one of these because they were ALWAYS checked out. To my 8 year old self, they were the greatest animated movies of my childhood
100% agree. I was 5 when the Hobbit animated came out and I've never forgotten my wonder from that first time. Led to my love of Tolkien, which is both fortunate and unfortunate considering the whole public domain debacle.
When Bilbo found that shinny ring in Golum's cave of gloom he never thought that it would turn into a ring of doom. The dragon, Smaug, the spiders, too. The goblins, the Elvin king. They came to learn the power of the Hobbit and his right. Frodo of the nine fingers...and the Ring of Doom! Where there's a whip, there's a way.....
This is actually an incredible breakdown so far! I was always under the impression that all three books were published as one book together, and separated into 3 later on. I didn't know that it was originally published separately!
@@cloudbloom Sadly it is not. I am big into D&D and the kobolds are my favorite little humanoid creatures! However the kobold wizard from quest for glory is nightmare fuel 😬
Fantastic video. The Lord of the Rings franchise is so epic to cover that just one video barely scratches the surface of the impact Tolkien's World had on the Fantasy Genre and modern pop culture in general. This video is a good entry level introduction for people who want to dive a little deeper into the history of this stellar work, and for newcomers taking their first steps on a long journey of wonderment. Cheers.
You should do a breakdown of the Witcher series. It has a lot of books a lot of games that are great and now (the worst thing to happen to the Witcher) a lot of live action adaptation…
For those wondering about his job as "Reader of...", in UK universities academic staff have two main routes to becoming a Professor: Lecturer>Senior Lecturer>Professor Fellow>Reader>Professor The main difference is the balance of research/scholarship and teaching, with Fellows and Readers doing very little (if any) teaching.
Jackson wasn't really asked to do The Hobbit, but more or less press-ganged into it. He didn't want to be there, and was forced to make it a trilogy after he'd already had the script for a duology, which is why the 2nd movie has almost no plot movement - it's almost entirely filler because the studio demanded it be made. And since the studio had blown 2 years of development, he was robbed of that time, the only saving grace being that he'd been heavily involved in the script-writing prior to having the project forced upon him. Lindsay Ellis has an amazing video about that whole debacle. I am so sorry that we'll never see the del Toro adaptation that was lost because MGM couldn't get their financial shit together until 2 years after del Toro had started and he no longer had the time available to work on the project. I'm sure there's still a lot of his vision in what we did get, but only in the scripting.
It was revealed recently that del Toro was actually fired probably because the studio was already pushing the Trilogy direction which wasn't what he wanted.
Its nice to see that you made all those edits to correct yourself where you misspoke or got the wrong facts. Shows that you are really committed to being accurate, a thing which I am sure all goblins appreciate.
My introduction to fantasy was The Hobbit. I was in high school at the time, in the mid-seventies, and my taste in reading was primarily Jack London, Zane Grey, Louis L'Amour, Ray Bradbury, and John Steinbeck. My English teacher handed me a copy of The Hobbit and encouraged me to read it. I was hooked and followed it up with LOTR and any other fantasy book I could get my hands on. Tolkien is still the standard by which I judge every piece of fiction against.
Great video! The only thing that I felt was missing was a discussion of the excellent BBC radio adaptation. They did an amazing job adapting the story into 13 hour-long episodes and their use of sound effects and music give it a tremendous cinematic feel. It also has an amazing cast including Ian Holm as Frodo. If you've never heard it, I can't recommend strongly enough that you check it out.
I prefer the regular breakdown format. Would like to see that again with all the Tolkien books there word count and you saying a few things about them. Still a fun watch
Talk about good timing! I literally just finished my reread of LOTR last night! I honestly don’t remember the books being this good! Can’t wait to hear your breakdown!
Need you and Ryan George to do a video as Tolkien and Lewis running a podcast because I feel that would be fantastic Also excellent breakdown. The more I learn about the production of Jackson's LotR trilogy, the more amazed I am at how it worked out and grateful that it did since that was my introduction to Tolkien as a kid. Also a suggestion for future breakdown videos, any chance you could do the Stargate series? Would love to learn more about it as I go through my rewatch
Some of the pre-Tolkein fantasy might be worth examining, if not deep dives of their own. Lord Dunsany, The Worm Ouroborous, Conan and other "Weird Tales" series, even the Lovecraft's Mythos. In fact, it can be interesting to see what was more contemporary of The Hobbit and LoTRs that inspired him.
After going into extensive detail of attempts to adapt LOTR in a condensed form, you omitted one amazing detail. Peter Jackson began adapting the books as two films. New Line President Michael DeLuca insisted it be three.
I know that the first Hobbit animated adaptation wasn't approved by Tolkien, but it introduced me to the world of Middle Earth and my love of the character of Gollum. Thanks for the breakdown, Goblin!
HOW AMAZING that Ian Holm was part of that 1981 radio series!?? I can't believe I've never heard of it & am so excited to listen to it - but seeing that Ian Holm was just a long-time LOTR fan is extra special, I think. 🥰🥰 AWESOME VIDEO !!!!!!
Thanks for the great breakdown! I loved learning more about Tolkien himself! I remember going to the theaters every year to watch the movies as they came out and it was one of my favorite experiences ever.
For those interested, there is also a 60s BBC radio drama of the Hobbit and its absolutely incredible! By far the best hobbit adaptation of all time (in my humble opinion)
One other note is that, while Tolkien claimed there was no direct influence, it is highly likely he was at least a little inspired by Wagner's Ring Cycle, some elements are probably a result of pulling from the same myths but Tolkien was a known fan of Wagner and there are some Wagner original elements that crop up in LotR
Tolkien count, for sure!! Having 3 true epic stories that have lasted generations is impressive. I LOVE Tolkien Untangled for my double checks on LOTR facts. Rainbow Dave is the bomb. Topic 3, have you read The Machineries of Empire by Yoon Ha Lee?? None of my friends have read it. It's sci-fi, kinda soft system, but it's just weird enough. And I tend to agree with most of your reviews, so I figured I'd throw it out there! Keep up the incredible work!!
Great work Greene. Just finished up the fall of numenor it was a great read. What an impressive universe he created pretty unmatched by anything today.
From the moment Eru Illuvatar exclaiming "Ea!" up to Frodo sailing into the west... For my money that's the greatest most captivating story I have heard yet. Read the books and watched the movies since I was very young, painted model figures and listened to bands being inspired by Middle Earth and I will continue to do so I reckon
About the Beatles version. You have to remember that LOTR had been adopted by counterculture and well into the 70s you'd see remnants of some hippy having spray painted somewhere "Frodo Lives!". Anyway, The Beatles were kicking around what parts they'd want, and it was to be Paul as Frodo, Ringo as Sam, George as Gandalf, and John as ... Gollum. Kubrick was a young new director, and he didn't refuse because it was a cosmically bad idea, but because he knew the technology wasn't there to do it 'well'. They were low-level pursuing it, but Tolkien wisely said HELL NO! I imagine he was probably horrified over the concept. Now, I'm a huge Beatles fan, and a lover of the LOTR, and to me, yes. This was a COSMICALLY bad idea!
I might be wrong... I thought miramax was in for 2 movies when it grew cold feet .... it wasn't until they went to NLC when the executives asked, "Why would we make 2 movies when clearly 3 here?"...
I love this form of video! I know it’s a lot of work to get this through, but I would LOVE to watch all the “it’s time for another video” videos from you 😊
It must be so much work making these breakdowns, that is a ton of research and then double checking for accuracy. I thoroughly enjoyed this, and now I need to go read the books and watch the movies!
Perfectly timely holiday episode for Daniel Greene's channel for major epic granddaddy of fantasy!! Always in good form!! You've gone on an epic journey here just a few minutes in! Top tier breakdown, content and editing! My first to watch! Kudos! And kudos on the clip mike and for putting away the precarious shiny broken blade.
I'll read The Hobbit AFTER the trilogy, Daniel! If I may! But I challenge you guys in booktube to read, yes READ the SONGS in LotR NOT as songs to sing to but as lore prose informing the proceedings and as lore in-world! You guys cannot just skip it like it's an intermission. No. My closest to a personal challenge! Or at least watch Aragorn in the film trilogy extended edition singing about . (SPOILER).. . . Beren & Luthien...immerse yourselves! Of course, its not a dicate in attempt to try and gatekeep. And not that you're doing it wrong either...even though you are. Since that's what doing it wrong means. Kidding. It's not meant to dicate in saying "can't", simply an urging. But also, are you really reading it if you're skipping actual passages spoken by characters? I mean...
I just finished my yearly rewatch of the LotR trilogy before the new year and what a great time to watch this video to really appreciate how much of a perfect storm those three movies were.
I would honestly like to see the adaptaion of Children of Hurin, but I really don't think I would like to see Amazon adaptation. Maybe HBO, but I am afraid it might go to Game-of-Thrones'y on it...
I used to live in Oxford England and I used to visit the pub “ Eagle and Child “ where the inklings used to meet to discuss books and I drank a beer in the booth where the Inkling used to sit
One thing I'd like to add about Tolkien's life before and during the war was the friendships he built in their school club called the "Tea Club & Barrovian Society". They formed this club before Tolkien went to Oxford and before the breakout of WWI and they would discuss linguistics and poetry, exchange ideas, and just have a good time while sipping some tea. They continued to correspond after leaving grade school and eventually they all were enlisted into WWI. Tolkien lost all but two of those friends to the fighting in France. The beginnings of what would become Arda and its mythos were birthed during Tolkien's recovery from his wounds and his mourning of his friends. That early foundation of learning language and poetry and those friendships is one of the main reasons LOTR exists at all.
In Sweden we also had it as a tv-show for kids, made with a theatre company and with drawings as scenery in the background- from 1971. (It can still be watched from Swedish television archives, but alas only in Sweden) After that we got a radio-theatre version like the BBC had. For us it was in 1995.
'LotR getting a bad review saying the chars don't fuck enough women' is hilarious but goddamn, I bet certain corners would still make that complaint today.
This is great. Thanks for dedicating your time to this. I enjoy this stuff the most but I know it must be time consuming as hell. Keep it up Danny-boy!
Applying a dollar amount to LotR doesn't even come close to touching on its importance, when instead you could look to its direct successors. Dungeons & Dragons is the easy target (and the fact that "hobbit" was a playable race in the original until TSR got sued), but the original Sword of Shannara couldn't be more derivative (the series moved away later, but it was the Tolkien fanfiction that started his success and allowed those better later books to be written) while author Dennis McKiernan made an entire successful writing career out of "Tolkien's estate wouldn't let me write a sequel series, but I'm writing one anyways and just changing proper names". Tolkien's influence is obvious and everywhere when you look for certain things: his depiction of everything from elves and dwarves to orcs and ents (treants) to even the fantasy concepts of "ranger" have all become the common standard for those terms, the equivalent of fantasy "kleenex" that can even be found dominating Japanese manga and anime.
You really are becoming true master of wordplay, arent you. I'm only halwfay but I cought inkling and obviously Amazon Forest (that one was pretty obvious) but i bet there are more of these that I missed.
I remember watching the animated hobbit in school. I was 10 years old about. I flew to the library looking for the book! Fan ever since. Thanks for gathering all this info. Loved it!
I must say my favourite adaptation is the 1981 bbc radio drama, it captures the tone so perfectly even better than the peter jackson version dare i say? Yes I do. So glad to hear you enjoy it, It is excelent, makes up for all the shitting on the bakshi version. One very important aspect to Tolkien you seem to be missing out is his catholic faith. The man was a devout roman catholic and this definatly had an impact concious or subconcious particularly on lotr. For instance we have the figure of christ represented in gandalf as the prophet, who falls to the balrog and is reserected in a glorified body, aragorn representing christ the king who decends into the land of the dead just as christ decends into hell and frodo as christ the priest who sacrafices himself and goes through hardship to save the world. Then theres lambas which can be read quite easily as communion wafer used in eucharist it seems in the book to give sustinance as much to the spirit as it does to the body just as the eucharist does. Then theres multiple charecters who take pitty and mercy on gollum just as christians are called to do to follow in the way of jesus. Then finaly theres the fact the company leaves rivendel on December 25th christmas day and the ring is destroyed on march 25th the date christ was crucified according to roman catholic tradition. Now i am not saying he was only infuenced by this or that these things need to represent as i have laid out for you, of course he was greatly inspired by the norse and old English mythologies he immerssed himself in, but i think its very clear that he was definatly influenced in some way by his faith and i think understanding that aspect really helps one to grasp the work in a more whole sense.
This was a beast to do and I hope y’all enjoy it! I did my best with the research but please let me know if I accidentally included any misinformation.
Do Narnia next
Great video! One slight error is although those subbook titles (e.g. The Ring Goes South, the Treason of Isengard) were part of Tolkien's plan at one point, they were actually abandoned before publication. If you check your paperback or hardcover, you won't see those titles
This was awesome Daniel. Thank you. I love that you brought this to us.
@Daniel Greene how did you not talk about Tolkien’s religious faith at all? Catholicism’s influence on his life and his work can hardly be over stated and excluding it is terribly ignorant.
Great video! I greatly encourage you to do a breakdown of C.S. Lewis's lessor know Si-Fi series Out of the Silent Planet (The Ransome) trilogy. Look forward to seeing more great productions like this.
When it comes to Tolkien and his effect on the fantasy genre I think Terry Pratchett said it best;
"J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it’s big and up close. Sometimes it’s a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it’s not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji."
Quit reminding me why I love Terry Pratchett's writing.
It's worth stressing just how horrific the battle of Somme was and how Tolkien lost all of his friends through his military service while he was battling illness the entire time (trench fever). He talked in his letters about how writing was an escape for him, and it's easy to see how he became the father of fantasy out of necessity to create some light in his own bleak world.
My great-grandfather was there too. My father remembers him having a couple of drinks and then mentioning bodies everywhere.
So fun to see this pop in my feed today! Thanks for the shoutout, mellon! 😊
So great of you to do a break down on an indies series! Hope LOTR will one day get the recognition it deserves
@@buzzwithdrip6347 whoosh
Always great to find WoF fans in Daniel Greene Comments
Unpopular opinion:Peter Jackson knows Tolkien’s mythos a lot more than the woke numb nuts of Amazon.
Anyone agree?
@@ANT96-x8d Hard disagree. Most Tolkien scholars who have expressed their opinions publicly also strongly disagree.
I think people should stop treating the early 2000s New Line movies as faithful adaptations instead of the creative reinterpretations that they actually are.
@@ANT96-x8d I don't think it is an unpopular opinion.
If Tolkien and C.S. Lewis had a podcast, your skit about allegory is exactly how it would go down every single episode 😂
Instantly sub
Also they were both such brilliant weirdos, the conversations would be AMAZING.
Tolkien: why is Santa palling around with Lion Jesus and ELVES, Lewis?! Keep your mythology straight, Lewis!
Lewis: For the millionth time Tolkien they’re CHINDRENS’ BOOKS! Children don’t care as much as you about Beowulf and all these other ancient texts!
2001-2003 were arguably the best years of my life due to the new line trilogy. It ignited a blossoming love of reading and single handedly stopped me from following my friends down a bad path. LOTR will forever hold a special place in my heart, and I hope I die listening to the coronation sequence at the end of return of the king.
I almost always cry when I see that scene. It's one of my favorite moments in the whole trilogy.
@@edmaldonado8207I did cry when I watched that scene the first time. I'm sure I must have seemed unhinged. I yelled at my mother to leave when she entered the room. 😅😂
I cried during the lighting of the beacons. But that was in response to the music.
Fun fact the Danish Queen was a big LOTR fan as a teenager and wrote letters to Tolkien with some art she made. So now some of the Danish editions of LOTR includes her art
I had to google that, and I have to say as a graphic designer that her artwork is pretty good!
WWI Info: So many students joined up for the war, there were only 24 in Tolkien's graduating class, so the pressure to enlist was real. Later, two of Tolkien's three closest friends died during the war.
Inspiration for LOTR: The relationship between Sam Gamgee and Frodo is largely based on the relationship between British officers and their "batmen" assistants in the war. The Dead Marshes also bear a strong resemblance to the battlefield of the Somme, and early drafts of the Fall of Gondolin include metal siege engines and street fighting akin to tanks and urban warfare. I can't find the source, but I've heard it said that Tolkien's four hobbits are partly inspired by Tolkien and his three friends, in a way giving them the adventure that war never was.
I'd also like to add that while the Great War certainly impacted Tolkien's writing, The Lord of the Rings should not be thought of as an allegory for the world wars; the author himself said as much on more than one occasion. It's operating on a larger allegorical scale than any single historical event.
I might be in the minority, but I actually Wanted to hear more about Tolkien's life, as I can only see it reflecting more in what he wrote as well. Mind you, I was also a big fan of the Tolkein movie, even if the majority of its focus was on his time at university
No. I completely agree. This video purports to be about Tolkien and his novel, but then 80% of it ended up being about adaptations that were made decades after Tolkien died.
What I love most about Jackson's films were how they made Tolkien universal. Usually, "going mainstream" is a bummer for a fandom, but in a way, Tolkien was ALWAYS mainstream... just mainstream among the 10% of people who'd read it. But with the films now everyone understands Middle-Earth enough that it's part of the common lexicon and can be used as cultural shorthand. It's amazing that we now live in a world where everyone knows what I mean when I say "Gandalf" or "hobbits" or "the Shire" or "Gollum" or "my precious" or "throwing the ring into Mt. Doom," whether they're a huge Led Zeppelin fan or not.
What I'd love to see? Adaptation of Beren+Luthien in an untraditional short season format, say six 40-60 minute episodes. Couple that with a short film that can serve as a trailer for the entire adaptation of the Silmarillion which can be done in a similar way that Peter J did for the Fellowship "Intro" to the Middle Earth history. The short film could be VERY short and give a broad show of what we could be seeing in the future and what "could" be possible, but vague enough that as time goes by it can be built upon as part of the first episode to each season to give the viewer a handy-dandy RECAP of where we currently are at chronologically.. I think the Tolkien "universe" has such potential as an ongoing series where each season focuses on a different branch with feature length films scattered around the place and short films here and there. Story plots that explore more of the world should be given a season even if it is a short season so they can spend more time world and character building as those will directly impact each branch going forwards. The Silmarillion can be the Trunk of a tree and the seasons/films/shortfilms are like branches and they can just spread out as it all comes into focus.
How would this ever fly? How to get rights? Take the story that has it all.. world building, mystery, romance, action... EPIC ACTION and badassery, political stress, drama.. damn you name it and the Beren&Luthien has the potential to excel at it! (Minus erotic stuff.. sure it'll get views but then you are doing the adaptation purely for fanservice and money and the Tolkien estate won't even breathe your air)
So? Make an adaptation that honors the core. Pilot short that gives a show that you want to build out the world and dedicate real effort into the elegance of the unique languages.. a dive into how Tolkien really developed those cultures. Then an artistic adaptation that suits the masterpiece. Call me crazy but I'd love to see how Guillermo del Toro would do the Beren&Luthien adaptation.. he is so great at "strange" and different while adding such depth and emotion to scenes with no dialogue. Maybe if it goes well Peter J would be interested in tune in? If passionate producers/directors were given free reign they could do such an amazing adaptation even on a low budget, as Peter J proved to us. But greed and quantity profits get in the way of quality.... Or maybe Mr.Beast can fund it, knowing he'd make history.. That would be funny, Jimmy goes from youtuber to funding quality projects.
:P
And imagine all the Huan plushies!
If it was animated....ohhhh...it could be spectacular.
Not replying about the idea in general, but the season format you're suggesting here is fairly common actually, and is called a "Mini-Series". Just a series with a predetermined number of episodes that goes through its run and ends.
It should be noted when talking about Tolkien and World War I is that he enlisted with a group of home town friends (I cant remember how many 3-5 I think) and he was the only one to return. His experiences and losses in the war greatly influenced his writing the Lord of the Rings.
Thank you so much for shouting out "On Fairy Stories!" It's such an underrated essay. I think it lends the best perspective on what it meant for Tolkien to "invent fantasy." He distilled it, and separated it from myth and children's story in a way that had not been done before. He set it aside from previous types of storytelling and wrote a rule book for it that in some ways, many authors still follow (whether or not they know it).
Also, previous to the soviet live action adaptation, there was a very short Swedish one made. It may be my favorite out of the weird live action adaptations, especially due to the LIBERAL use of greenscreen. It can be found on youtube, called "Sagan om Ringen." (Also, in the Finnish Adaptation, Gollum briefly completely flashes the camera, so I guess that's worth a watch if you're into that)
Great video overall! It's incredibly hard to actually do an overview on this series without taking for 16 hours, but you got most of the really important stuff!
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My 3rd grade teacher read the illustrated hobbit to us when growing up (30 years gone now). I can still look back at that as the defining moment in my life. I immediately read it myself. Then read LoTR that same year. and from there my mother came home with the Dragon Reborn (bless her soul she didn't realize it was the 3rd book, I didn't care I literally read the book to pieces) and my fate was sealed. When your first 2 exposures to fantasy are Tolkien and Jordan, long form fantasy is where you are going to live foreverafter.
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This is amazing! Would love to see a part two with all the miscellaneous Tolkien texts out there. Whenever you go to a good bookstore the Tolkien stuff is a couple shelves long - would love to see a breakdown of all that stuff as well. Cheers!
Memories of watching the extended version of all 3 films back to back then watching all the extended footage right after really makes me feel warm. So lucky to have those films be a part of my childhood.
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On the topic of LOTR adaptations, I just wanted to give a shout out to the countless heavy metal "adaptations" and references: Black Sabbath's "The Wizard", Led Zeppelin's "Ramble On", Rush's "Rivendell", Blind Guardian's album "Nightfall on Middle Earth", Amon Amarth's band name, Cirith Ungol's band name, Falls of Rauros band name, and a million others. Tolkien's influence on the genre is extremely difficult to overstate.
I remember the animated Hobbit and return of the king movies growing up. My mom would take me to the library and every single time, i would rush to check the VHS collection in hopes of being able to get one of these because they were ALWAYS checked out. To my 8 year old self, they were the greatest animated movies of my childhood
100% agree. I was 5 when the Hobbit animated came out and I've never forgotten my wonder from that first time. Led to my love of Tolkien, which is both fortunate and unfortunate considering the whole public domain debacle.
When Bilbo found that shinny ring in Golum's cave of gloom
he never thought that it would turn into a ring of doom.
The dragon, Smaug, the spiders, too. The goblins, the Elvin king.
They came to learn the power of the Hobbit and his right.
Frodo of the nine fingers...and the Ring of Doom!
Where there's a whip, there's a way.....
This is actually an incredible breakdown so far! I was always under the impression that all three books were published as one book together, and separated into 3 later on. I didn't know that it was originally published separately!
Does the first name in your profile happen to be a reference to the kobold enemies in the Quest For Glory games?
@@cloudbloom Sadly it is not. I am big into D&D and the kobolds are my favorite little humanoid creatures! However the kobold wizard from quest for glory is nightmare fuel 😬
Tolkien originally wanted to publish the books as one but his publisher discouraged him.
Fantastic video.
The Lord of the Rings franchise is so epic to cover that just one video barely scratches the surface of the impact Tolkien's World had on the Fantasy Genre and modern pop culture in general.
This video is a good entry level introduction for people who want to dive a little deeper into the history of this stellar work, and for newcomers taking their first steps on a long journey of wonderment.
Cheers.
You should do a breakdown of the Witcher series. It has a lot of books a lot of games that are great and now (the worst thing to happen to the Witcher) a lot of live action adaptation…
For those wondering about his job as "Reader of...", in UK universities academic staff have two main routes to becoming a Professor:
Lecturer>Senior Lecturer>Professor
Fellow>Reader>Professor
The main difference is the balance of research/scholarship and teaching, with Fellows and Readers doing very little (if any) teaching.
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Jackson wasn't really asked to do The Hobbit, but more or less press-ganged into it. He didn't want to be there, and was forced to make it a trilogy after he'd already had the script for a duology, which is why the 2nd movie has almost no plot movement - it's almost entirely filler because the studio demanded it be made. And since the studio had blown 2 years of development, he was robbed of that time, the only saving grace being that he'd been heavily involved in the script-writing prior to having the project forced upon him.
Lindsay Ellis has an amazing video about that whole debacle.
I am so sorry that we'll never see the del Toro adaptation that was lost because MGM couldn't get their financial shit together until 2 years after del Toro had started and he no longer had the time available to work on the project. I'm sure there's still a lot of his vision in what we did get, but only in the scripting.
It was revealed recently that del Toro was actually fired probably because the studio was already pushing the Trilogy direction which wasn't what he wanted.
Its nice to see that you made all those edits to correct yourself where you misspoke or got the wrong facts. Shows that you are really committed to being accurate, a thing which I am sure all goblins appreciate.
My introduction to fantasy was The Hobbit. I was in high school at the time, in the mid-seventies, and my taste in reading was primarily Jack London, Zane Grey, Louis L'Amour, Ray Bradbury, and John Steinbeck. My English teacher handed me a copy of The Hobbit and encouraged me to read it. I was hooked and followed it up with LOTR and any other fantasy book I could get my hands on. Tolkien is still the standard by which I judge every piece of fiction against.
Great video! The only thing that I felt was missing was a discussion of the excellent BBC radio adaptation. They did an amazing job adapting the story into 13 hour-long episodes and their use of sound effects and music give it a tremendous cinematic feel. It also has an amazing cast including Ian Holm as Frodo. If you've never heard it, I can't recommend strongly enough that you check it out.
12:44 I now really want to see a video about the relationship between Sci-Fi and Fantasy through the years, I beg you Mr. Greene
I prefer the regular breakdown format. Would like to see that again with all the Tolkien books there word count and you saying a few things about them. Still a fun watch
Hell yeah been waiting on this one for a while! So happy you finally finished making this vid
Talk about good timing! I literally just finished my reread of LOTR last night! I honestly don’t remember the books being this good! Can’t wait to hear your breakdown!
I thought you’d forgotten about the breakdown, this series definitely helps me organise what titles I wanna read 😁😁
Great video, I liked that you focused on the man and publication, rather than the numbers in other breakdowns
Clever editing, and fitting at that. Congratulations on the new Editor. Daniel’s energy comes off as enthusiastic in this video.
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Need you and Ryan George to do a video as Tolkien and Lewis running a podcast because I feel that would be fantastic
Also excellent breakdown. The more I learn about the production of Jackson's LotR trilogy, the more amazed I am at how it worked out and grateful that it did since that was my introduction to Tolkien as a kid.
Also a suggestion for future breakdown videos, any chance you could do the Stargate series? Would love to learn more about it as I go through my rewatch
For more info on the Rankin and Bass adaptations, I definitely recommend the video “Bakshi and the Ring” from Folding Ideas.
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Been waiting for a Tolkien breakdown from you for a long time. Well done and thank you.
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Awesome video! fun fact: the BBC radio drama stars Ian Holm, who played Bilbo in Peter Jackson's trilogy, as Frodo
Some of the pre-Tolkein fantasy might be worth examining, if not deep dives of their own. Lord Dunsany, The Worm Ouroborous, Conan and other "Weird Tales" series, even the Lovecraft's Mythos. In fact, it can be interesting to see what was more contemporary of The Hobbit and LoTRs that inspired him.
Huge fan of this video, I'm loving this shift towards less but higher quality content. Keep up the great work!
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That radio drama is dope. I love listening to it while walking around in the winter.
I loooove a nice long video and I love LOTR, so I'm gonna kick my feet up and grab some snacks 👏 (already loving the editing)
I am really hoping that Jackson or another Massive Tolkien fan,will direct a prequel series/trilogy of the simarillion in the era of Morgoth.
Didn’t know how much I wanted to see this until I saw the title
What wonderful timing for this video, I just received The Hobbit and LOTR books for Christmas. Enjoying them tenfold more than o thought I would.
Thanks for giving a little series like LOTR a little recognition
A Lord of The e Rings history video in this channel? Mister Goblin, you always Surprise me! Thank you and still Merry Christmas;)
Dude this is so well done. LOTR is the grandfather of everything all love in fantasy.
After going into extensive detail of attempts to adapt LOTR in a condensed form, you omitted one amazing detail.
Peter Jackson began adapting the books as two films. New Line President Michael DeLuca insisted it be three.
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Wow this is extensive! Really appreciate your work on this.
I know that the first Hobbit animated adaptation wasn't approved by Tolkien, but it introduced me to the world of Middle Earth and my love of the character of Gollum. Thanks for the breakdown, Goblin!
HOW AMAZING that Ian Holm was part of that 1981 radio series!?? I can't believe I've never heard of it & am so excited to listen to it - but seeing that Ian Holm was just a long-time LOTR fan is extra special, I think. 🥰🥰 AWESOME VIDEO !!!!!!
Got my copy of Breach of Peace for Christmas. Super excited to read it!
Thanks for the great breakdown! I loved learning more about Tolkien himself! I remember going to the theaters every year to watch the movies as they came out and it was one of my favorite experiences ever.
I love this format of educational video, I could watch one of these every day while I make my breakfast
For those interested, there is also a 60s BBC radio drama of the Hobbit and its absolutely incredible! By far the best hobbit adaptation of all time (in my humble opinion)
That podcast bit with the allegory was great.
One other note is that, while Tolkien claimed there was no direct influence, it is highly likely he was at least a little inspired by Wagner's Ring Cycle, some elements are probably a result of pulling from the same myths but Tolkien was a known fan of Wagner and there are some Wagner original elements that crop up in LotR
Led Zeppelin’s song: battle of evermore is about lord of the rings
Really enjoy these breakdowns even if I’ve read the books countless times 😂 merry Christmas and a happy new year to you Daniel!
Great breakdown, really appreciated the 35 minutes on Tommy B. 10/10 💚
Would love a video on the split of Sci-fi and Fantasy, never heard of that before but it makes sense!
I have that exact same Beowulf copy I even did an hour long presentation on Beowulf as my collage final when everyone else did 30 mins
Tolkien count, for sure!! Having 3 true epic stories that have lasted generations is impressive. I LOVE Tolkien Untangled for my double checks on LOTR facts. Rainbow Dave is the bomb. Topic 3, have you read The Machineries of Empire by Yoon Ha Lee?? None of my friends have read it. It's sci-fi, kinda soft system, but it's just weird enough. And I tend to agree with most of your reviews, so I figured I'd throw it out there! Keep up the incredible work!!
Great work Greene. Just finished up the fall of numenor it was a great read. What an impressive universe he created pretty unmatched by anything today.
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This was great, thanks dude!
Lets go! Can’t wait to learn, the Breakdowns are some of my favorite videos!
OH a chunky video! love these for rewatches.
From the moment Eru Illuvatar exclaiming "Ea!" up to Frodo sailing into the west... For my money that's the greatest most captivating story I have heard yet. Read the books and watched the movies since I was very young, painted model figures and listened to bands being inspired by Middle Earth and I will continue to do so I reckon
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Man I got the BBC adaptation on CD for Christmas at age 10, one of the best Christmas presents ever!!
Normally I love everything you put out. But this is another level!!! Daniel Greene is the Fantasy (best books) king
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About the Beatles version. You have to remember that LOTR had been adopted by counterculture and well into the 70s you'd see remnants of some hippy having spray painted somewhere "Frodo Lives!". Anyway, The Beatles were kicking around what parts they'd want, and it was to be Paul as Frodo, Ringo as Sam, George as Gandalf, and John as ... Gollum. Kubrick was a young new director, and he didn't refuse because it was a cosmically bad idea, but because he knew the technology wasn't there to do it 'well'. They were low-level pursuing it, but Tolkien wisely said HELL NO! I imagine he was probably horrified over the concept. Now, I'm a huge Beatles fan, and a lover of the LOTR, and to me, yes. This was a COSMICALLY bad idea!
I might be wrong... I thought miramax was in for 2 movies when it grew cold feet .... it wasn't until they went to NLC when the executives asked, "Why would we make 2 movies when clearly 3 here?"...
I do love this story by CS Lewis
I love this form of video! I know it’s a lot of work to get this through, but I would LOVE to watch all the “it’s time for another video” videos from you 😊
Amazing video Daniel!
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It must be so much work making these breakdowns, that is a ton of research and then double checking for accuracy.
I thoroughly enjoyed this, and now I need to go read the books and watch the movies!
Perfectly timely holiday episode for Daniel Greene's channel for major epic granddaddy of fantasy!! Always in good form!! You've gone on an epic journey here just a few minutes in! Top tier breakdown, content and editing! My first to watch! Kudos! And kudos on the clip mike and for putting away the precarious shiny broken blade.
I'll read The Hobbit AFTER the trilogy, Daniel! If I may! But I challenge you guys in booktube to read, yes READ the SONGS in LotR NOT as songs to sing to but as lore prose informing the proceedings and as lore in-world! You guys cannot just skip it like it's an intermission. No. My closest to a personal challenge! Or at least watch Aragorn in the film trilogy extended edition singing about
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Beren & Luthien...immerse yourselves!
Of course, its not a dicate in attempt to try and gatekeep. And not that you're doing it wrong either...even though you are. Since that's what doing it wrong means. Kidding. It's not meant to dicate in saying "can't", simply an urging. But also, are you really reading it if you're skipping actual passages spoken by characters? I mean...
I just finished my yearly rewatch of the LotR trilogy before the new year and what a great time to watch this video to really appreciate how much of a perfect storm those three movies were.
I would honestly like to see the adaptaion of Children of Hurin, but I really don't think I would like to see Amazon adaptation. Maybe HBO, but I am afraid it might go to Game-of-Thrones'y on it...
Great Job. These are probably my favorite videos on the channel. Keep up the great work.
This was great to watch. I understand its not great for the algorithm but please keep projects like this going.
I used to live in Oxford England and I used to visit the pub “ Eagle and Child “ where the inklings used to meet to discuss books and I drank a beer in the booth where the Inkling used to sit
This is more interesting than I had expected.
One thing I'd like to add about Tolkien's life before and during the war was the friendships he built in their school club called the "Tea Club & Barrovian Society". They formed this club before Tolkien went to Oxford and before the breakout of WWI and they would discuss linguistics and poetry, exchange ideas, and just have a good time while sipping some tea. They continued to correspond after leaving grade school and eventually they all were enlisted into WWI. Tolkien lost all but two of those friends to the fighting in France. The beginnings of what would become Arda and its mythos were birthed during Tolkien's recovery from his wounds and his mourning of his friends. That early foundation of learning language and poetry and those friendships is one of the main reasons LOTR exists at all.
In Sweden we also had it as a tv-show for kids, made with a theatre company and with drawings as scenery in the background- from 1971. (It can still be watched from Swedish television archives, but alas only in Sweden)
After that we got a radio-theatre version like the BBC had. For us it was in 1995.
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'LotR getting a bad review saying the chars don't fuck enough women' is hilarious but goddamn, I bet certain corners would still make that complaint today.
You are the man. Some of the absolute best content on TH-cam right here! Loved it!
I'm usually not commenting on videos but this was great, thx Daniel 👍
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What about the works released by Christopher supposedly posthumously for J.R.R. Tolkien. Also the Tolkien movie which the Tolkien Estate criticised.
This is great. Thanks for dedicating your time to this. I enjoy this stuff the most but I know it must be time consuming as hell. Keep it up Danny-boy!
Those copies of LoTR you showed at 6:03 warmed my heart. I bought those for a friend as a Christmas gift not too long ago :) Gorgeous pieces!
Applying a dollar amount to LotR doesn't even come close to touching on its importance, when instead you could look to its direct successors. Dungeons & Dragons is the easy target (and the fact that "hobbit" was a playable race in the original until TSR got sued), but the original Sword of Shannara couldn't be more derivative (the series moved away later, but it was the Tolkien fanfiction that started his success and allowed those better later books to be written) while author Dennis McKiernan made an entire successful writing career out of "Tolkien's estate wouldn't let me write a sequel series, but I'm writing one anyways and just changing proper names". Tolkien's influence is obvious and everywhere when you look for certain things: his depiction of everything from elves and dwarves to orcs and ents (treants) to even the fantasy concepts of "ranger" have all become the common standard for those terms, the equivalent of fantasy "kleenex" that can even be found dominating Japanese manga and anime.
What a great video Daniel!
awesome content as always , Ser Greene Daniel
and as an exploited disney employee, i love the shit you throw at them. it is well deserved lol, f*ck em
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It’s really cool when you guys collaborate with other channels. Makes me like TH-cam even more. Regular tv sucks anymore
You really are becoming true master of wordplay, arent you. I'm only halwfay but I cought inkling and obviously Amazon Forest (that one was pretty obvious) but i bet there are more of these that I missed.
wasnt expecting to spend an hour on the Lord of the Rings this morning
yet here we are
I remember watching the animated hobbit in school. I was 10 years old about. I flew to the library looking for the book! Fan ever since. Thanks for gathering all this info. Loved it!
I must say my favourite adaptation is the 1981 bbc radio drama, it captures the tone so perfectly even better than the peter jackson version dare i say? Yes I do. So glad to hear you enjoy it, It is excelent, makes up for all the shitting on the bakshi version.
One very important aspect to Tolkien you seem to be missing out is his catholic faith. The man was a devout roman catholic and this definatly had an impact concious or subconcious particularly on lotr. For instance we have the figure of christ represented in gandalf as the prophet, who falls to the balrog and is reserected in a glorified body, aragorn representing christ the king who decends into the land of the dead just as christ decends into hell and frodo as christ the priest who sacrafices himself and goes through hardship to save the world. Then theres lambas which can be read quite easily as communion wafer used in eucharist it seems in the book to give sustinance as much to the spirit as it does to the body just as the eucharist does. Then theres multiple charecters who take pitty and mercy on gollum just as christians are called to do to follow in the way of jesus.
Then finaly theres the fact the company leaves rivendel on December 25th christmas day and the ring is destroyed on march 25th the date christ was crucified according to roman catholic tradition.
Now i am not saying he was only infuenced by this or that these things need to represent as i have laid out for you, of course he was greatly inspired by the norse and old English mythologies he immerssed himself in, but i think its very clear that he was definatly influenced in some way by his faith and i think understanding that aspect really helps one to grasp the work in a more whole sense.
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