I recommend using a first surface mirror for this setup. They are a bit more expensive, but as the reflective element is on the outside rather than inside the glass, the projected image doesn't suffer much loss in light. Typically, a normal mirror reflects 80-85% of light where as a first surface mirror will reflect 94-99% Be careful when handling and cleaning a first surface mirror as the reflective element is easily damaged.
should be coated on one side with AL+SiO2 and should be minimum about 94% reflection - 45° at 550 nm these are cheaper compared to Ravg >98% @ 450 - 2000nm...protected silver mirrors cost 4 times more ...the best Way to go is an "OPTICAL GLASS MIRROR"
So I just tried this now and it's quite effective. I projected 90cm from the wall and got a ~80cm diagonal screen when projecting directly. Then, still at 90cm, I faced the projector away from the wall with a mirror about 7cm away from the projector, tilted upwards at about 10 degrees and got a ~120cm diagonal screen. That's about a 50% increase! Pretty darn awesome! Thanks so much for sharing this trick!
This approach works very well. I have been doing this for a theater group for a few years now. The purpose of the mirror is to allow you to make the distance between the screen and the projector greater so your image will be larger. This is for rear projections. If you have 8 feet from your wall to the back of your screen, you can double that to 16 feet if you mirror is large enough. I have a 3'x3' mirror and that noticeably increases the projected image.
I'm looking to do something similar with a theatre group. Could I create an 8 foot by 8 foot (approximately) sized screen, but I only have about 5 feet of space to backstage. Will that work? Or do I need more space
The mirror makes the projected image on the wall bigger so if you have a room that is not that wide you can still get a bigger projected screen size, where as if you don't use the mirror, the projected image on the wall will be much smaller in size. If you bounce the projected image of 2 mirrors(as in a zigzag) you will get an even bigger projected image on the wall. Great video mate thanks for this :)
@@Itsd0dley1391 point the projector at the wall and if it's on the ground tilt the first mirror backwards and up then the second one above the projector (bigger mirror than the first) pointed at the desired wall. If the projector is on the ceiling ect..?
Wow, I cannot believe this, can't wait to try it out. thanks so much for sharing and saving me hours of searching and quite a bit of money! great to the point diy video. much love from Germany!
I try this 4 years ago with 3 different mirrors, and always when very bright image was projecting, like sky in movie i can clearly see wawes from the mirror.
@@mrbane2000 3 different mirrors are not enought ? I buy new projector benq w5700 and move sitting position closer to wall, now 110" screen and feets ~3feet away from screen is pretty good :) it's better to have smaller screen and sit closer to screen, then have more bright on image ;)
You should use a first surface mirror. The same used inside the projector. First surface mirrors have the reflective surface on the outside of the mirror (unlike normal mirros where it is behind the glass). Be careful though as you can't clean them easily without destroying them. I only handled mine using latex gloves and fixed to the wall where it is never touched. They are some what more expensive than standard mirrors, but worth it for the result.
how much distance do you save by using the mirror? the demo seems incomplete unless we see what size the screen is by facing the projector directly at the wall, and then making a comparison with the mirror.
Awesome 👏👏 I'm going to try it out later today. So happy I found your tutorial..I want to use this for my digital Halloween decorations. Thanks so much. 🤗
@@wesmartinez3128 I've seen that on Halloween videos since I started using AtmosFx 2yrs ago. Looks great but,I'm not that tech savvy😁 LOL. Still learning new tricks and placements with my 3 mini projectors.
One could project it onto plastic or glass using the projection foil stuff, should get you the idea you want to achieve. For example: sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1.zbiSFXXXXcRaXXXq6xXFXXXm/32377/HTB1.zbiSFXXXXcRaXXXq6xXFXXXm.jpg_.webp
Very cool! I have 14 feet of distance and I would like to project on a 12 foot wide screen with a regular projector. Will my projection fill the screen using this method? Also, will I gain size on my screen by increasing the distance between the projector and the mirror? Any help is much appreciated!
veldfam: If you increase the distance between the projector and the mirror, it will increase the size if the picture projected in the mirror. If you don't want your image to be cut off you will have to use a larger mirror.
This is a good idea if you want to use a projector in a small room, but you didn't make a short throw projector out of a regular one with a cheap mirror.
Arafet Kanso I believe it adds throw distence. Allows a bigger screen. That's how I found this video. I need 3 more feet of living room to cast a 110" image with my projector. The mirror can help me get there without tearing a wall down. lol It's sorta genius. I found it thanks to Bruce. ;)
a short throw projector cost $2000 and you dont have to haveit far from the wall and it shows a bigger screen he showing that you can save and get the quality from a short throw projector with out the cost and still get the qualityfrom a shortthrow projector
TheDukeofjamaica You can get a short throw projector much cheaper than that. I use a BenQ 1080ST for a 120” picture about 6’ from the wall. It cost me about $900 and that was 5 years ago.
It allows you to position a beamer closer to the screen instead of needing to have enough space to project from a distance. It usually helps when you are doing presentations or projection mapping where people tend to walk in front of the beamer light and block the visuals all together. Having the beamer up close prevents this :) There are plenty more ways this could be used, just one of the examples how i use it :P
Hello nick my mirror sit about 9/12 ft from the wall and were the projector sit from the mirror is 8ft or so and my screen size about 120" Now if i turn the project at the wall with out the mirror i will it a 70" screen. This trick is for people who do not want to spend the extra money on a short throw projector or drop down $2k - $4k for a short throw lens Here also a demonstrations of me doing the same trick using a qumi 2 projector with only 300 lumens th-cam.com/video/1D5aTFWZmQQ/w-d-xo.html
Hi. I'm in a pinch in time and money. I have the same projector, I assume I can do this for a rear screen projection. I've got limited space on stage. How tight a space do you think I can operate within for a 120" screen? Thanks.
got a question, i have a big screen, 12 foot wide by 10 foot long, i want to project up close, like two to three feet but want to fill the screen, any ideas?
This projector gets the job done pretty well. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxS9P8zTOcmQg-hH0QeUi3dspOLyYgQ6dH Bear in mind it's a mini projector but all things considered the picture quality is pretty good. The attached photo is of the projector projecting onto my white closet doors. I still have not messed with the settings but I can't wait for our first family movie night on a larger scale. If you have issues with volume not working with your firestick, go into volume settings and you will find your solution there.
FIRST THINGS FIRST ....SO.....A SHORT THROW PROJECTOR IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PROJECTOR SCREEN 6-10".. ..WHEN WILL YOU SHOW THAT IN YOUR VIDEO.. ALL WE SEE HERE IS A REFLECTION OF A PROJECTOR. ...NOT A TRICK OTHER THAN YOU SELLING OVER PRICED PAINT...
If you can't get your projector far enough from the screen to get the size you want, you can use this trick to add distance. With this set up he is basically like being able to move the projector an extra 2ft back from the screen. It isn't short throw by any means but it can help if you lack space
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I’m getting mad I can’t conceive mirror image correction I do not know what you’re talking about it’s way beyond my stereoscopic comprehension and why doesn’t it flip upside down? Why does it flip from side to side? Why is the reverse image left right and not up down? If you can answer this question correctly, you win a prize!
Getting mad for what just buy a short throw. The NEC M300WS under $200 on ebay. That demonstration was done when short throw projector were very expensive now you can buy them for cheap.
@@Themotherofallprojectorscreens I was being sarcastic. The video was spending way too much time describing something so mundane a three year old is rolling their eyes waiting for you to shut up. Lol.
that makes no sense at all. a short throw projector sits a few feet away in front of the screen hence the "short throw" this isnt short throw if you projector is that far away.
Adding a mirror CAN NOT add image size - and the distance from lens to mirror plus distance between lens and screen oviously equals the normal projection distance. This means that you've won about around 50cm projection distance by adding an ultra large and ugly mirror. No - thanks. And yes: (some of) the short throw and ultra short throw projectors use mirrors - But: they also use a (magnifying) optic developed for this purpose. This is like all the videos "turn your smartphone into a beamer" - useless...
I recommend using a first surface mirror for this setup. They are a bit more expensive, but as the reflective element is on the outside rather than inside the glass, the projected image doesn't suffer much loss in light. Typically, a normal mirror reflects 80-85% of light where as a first surface mirror will reflect 94-99% Be careful when handling and cleaning a first surface mirror as the reflective element is easily damaged.
thank you for this info!
should be coated on one side with AL+SiO2
and should be minimum about 94% reflection - 45° at 550 nm
these are cheaper compared to Ravg >98% @ 450 - 2000nm...protected silver mirrors cost 4 times more
...the best Way to go is an "OPTICAL GLASS MIRROR"
So I just tried this now and it's quite effective. I projected 90cm from the wall and got a ~80cm diagonal screen when projecting directly. Then, still at 90cm, I faced the projector away from the wall with a mirror about 7cm away from the projector, tilted upwards at about 10 degrees and got a ~120cm diagonal screen. That's about a 50% increase! Pretty darn awesome! Thanks so much for sharing this trick!
This approach works very well. I have been doing this for a theater group for a few years now. The purpose of the mirror is to allow you to make the distance between the screen and the projector greater so your image will be larger. This is for rear projections. If you have 8 feet from your wall to the back of your screen, you can double that to 16 feet if you mirror is large enough. I have a 3'x3' mirror and that noticeably increases the projected image.
I'm looking to do something similar with a theatre group. Could I create an 8 foot by 8 foot (approximately) sized screen, but I only have about 5 feet of space to backstage. Will that work? Or do I need more space
Was this a regular or optical mirror and where did you get the mirror?
The mirror makes the projected image on the wall bigger so if you have a room that is not that wide you can still get a bigger projected screen size, where as if you don't use the mirror, the projected image on the wall will be much smaller in size. If you bounce the projected image of 2 mirrors(as in a zigzag) you will get an even bigger projected image on the wall. Great video mate thanks for this :)
Intersting what you said about using 2 mirrors, how would one go about doing this?
@@Itsd0dley1391 point the projector at the wall and if it's on the ground tilt the first mirror backwards and up then the second one above the projector (bigger mirror than the first) pointed at the desired wall.
If the projector is on the ceiling ect..?
Wow, I cannot believe this, can't wait to try it out. thanks so much for sharing and saving me hours of searching and quite a bit of money! great to the point diy video. much love from Germany!
+Kat Moore Your welcome happy to help :)
thank you! This was really helpful. I'm doing some virtual production stuff and cant afford a manufactured short throw projector : )
thank you
I try this 4 years ago with 3 different mirrors, and always when very bright image was projecting, like sky in movie i can clearly see wawes from the mirror.
You need higher quality mirror
@@mrbane2000 3 different mirrors are not enought ? I buy new projector benq w5700 and move sitting position closer to wall, now 110" screen and feets ~3feet away from screen is pretty good :) it's better to have smaller screen and sit closer to screen, then have more bright on image ;)
You should use a first surface mirror. The same used inside the projector. First surface mirrors have the reflective surface on the outside of the mirror (unlike normal mirros where it is behind the glass). Be careful though as you can't clean them easily without destroying them. I only handled mine using latex gloves and fixed to the wall where it is never touched. They are some what more expensive than standard mirrors, but worth it for the result.
Thank you
how much distance do you save by using the mirror? the demo seems incomplete unless we see what size the screen is by facing the projector directly at the wall, and then making a comparison with the mirror.
+D.J. Matt Here a video for you th-cam.com/video/sBrU-P87vag/w-d-xo.html my projector sit 9ft back
Awesome 👏👏 I'm going to try it out later today. So happy I found your tutorial..I want to use this for my digital Halloween decorations. Thanks so much. 🤗
did it work? are you doing Projection mapping cuz im doing the same lol
@@wesmartinez3128 Yes😃 Perfectly. I'm excited about using this method but, not doing projection mapping .
@@123thebasics You should search for Halloween Projection Mapping, U can thank me later!
@@wesmartinez3128 I've seen that on Halloween videos since I started using AtmosFx 2yrs ago. Looks great but,I'm not that tech savvy😁 LOL. Still learning new tricks and placements with my 3 mini projectors.
@@123thebasics Im going to try it this year ill let you know how it works
Thats dope gonna try this
Could this trick work if I wanted a rear projector set up? Where the projector is behind the screen? I’m trying to visualize how that would work.
yes it works but you dont have to reverse the image as you see it from the other side
One could project it onto plastic or glass using the projection foil stuff, should get you the idea you want to achieve. For example: sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1.zbiSFXXXXcRaXXXq6xXFXXXm/32377/HTB1.zbiSFXXXXcRaXXXq6xXFXXXm.jpg_.webp
Very cool! I have 14 feet of distance and I would like to project on a 12 foot wide screen with a regular projector. Will my projection fill the screen using this method? Also, will I gain size on my screen by increasing the distance between the projector and the mirror? Any help is much appreciated!
veldfam: If you increase the distance between the projector and the mirror, it will increase the size if the picture projected in the mirror. If you don't want your image to be cut off you will have to use a larger mirror.
Interesting !
Great, congrats
Thank you
thank you again
Why don't they sell these attachments? I've looked online and I can't find anything. I've tried this and it just doesn't reflect well.
Thanks for the tutorial!
How to mske the projected image smaller i don't have a lot of space
Thanks! Still a good tutorial after all these years :-)
what is the distance between the wall and projector?
great tip thanks for sharing this
This is a good idea if you want to use a projector in a small room, but you didn't make a short throw projector out of a regular one with a cheap mirror.
Thanks, my brain was trying to see the laptop as being near the mirror as a short throw would. lol.
Do you know if you can duplicate an image to project on 3 walls using mirrors???? Without using more projectors
Will this work the same way if the projection hits a curtain?
Can I mount this setup to the ceiling?
so interesting I will try this
thankx now its like thatz what i see when looking to renta apartment is much to the imgination bro yea that.....24/7
Would you do a demonstration at 90 degrees instead of 180 degrees?
Amazing
How much does it degrade the picture quality?
i didnt get it , and regular projector that you transformed into a regular projector !!! so what is the mirror for ?
Arafet Kanso I believe it adds throw distence. Allows a bigger screen.
That's how I found this video.
I need 3 more feet of living room to cast a 110" image with my projector. The mirror can help me get there without tearing a wall down. lol
It's sorta genius.
I found it thanks to Bruce.
;)
a short throw projector cost $2000 and you dont have to haveit far from the wall and it shows a bigger screen he showing that you can save and get the quality from a short throw projector with out the cost and still get the qualityfrom a shortthrow projector
TheDukeofjamaica You can get a short throw projector much cheaper than that. I use a BenQ 1080ST for a 120” picture about 6’ from the wall. It cost me about $900 and that was 5 years ago.
@@jackt406 in 2017 my optoma is short throw and was £600 lol, makes a 3 metre image 1.5 metres away
Awesome idea!
Can this be done on a ceiling mount setup?
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Do you have a link for the chairs you are using?
Maybe the name of the movie that you have the poster image on the wall. Thank you
What is the purpose of aiming it at a mirror again? Just asking, ive never seen this before.😄👍
It allows you to position a beamer closer to the screen instead of needing to have enough space to project from a distance. It usually helps when you are doing presentations or projection mapping where people tend to walk in front of the beamer light and block the visuals all together. Having the beamer up close prevents this :)
There are plenty more ways this could be used, just one of the examples how i use it :P
great vid, thankyou
where should you sit to enjoy your movie?
very nice i have a question, it's extend
distance or amplification size?
the distance the light travels is increased so you get a larger image
How did u project black light on screen?
Genius.
Hello nick my mirror sit about 9/12 ft from the wall and were the projector sit from the mirror is 8ft or so and my screen size about 120" Now if i turn the project at the wall with out the mirror i will it a 70" screen. This trick is for people who do not want to spend the extra money on a short throw projector or drop down $2k - $4k for a short throw lens Here also a demonstrations of me doing the same trick using a qumi 2 projector with only 300 lumens th-cam.com/video/1D5aTFWZmQQ/w-d-xo.html
So, is the mirror an EXACT quality as whats coming out of the projector?
What brand is the projector you're using?
wow impressive
Con un proyector LCD y un espejo puedo hacer una retro proyección?
Hi. I'm in a pinch in time and money. I have the same projector, I assume I can do this for a rear screen projection. I've got limited space on stage. How tight a space do you think I can operate within for a 120" screen? Thanks.
Should easily work with your projector around 4-4.5 ft away from wall and mirror around 8in to a 1ft away from projector.
I would recommend a front(first) surface mirror for your project as well. Good luck! 👍
Is it simple mirror or zoom-mirror? (sorry for my bad english, i'm from Russia)
where do you get the mirror from?
got a question, i have a big screen, 12 foot wide by 10 foot long, i want to project up close, like two to three feet but want to fill the screen, any ideas?
That is to short of a distance to project an image that big
please watch th-cam.com/video/1D5aTFWZmQQ/w-d-xo.html
It just a easy fix but if your going for a huge size like that just the short throw :)
thanks
How close to the screen can I get and still fill an 8 ft to 9 ft wide screen?
God I hope this works.
Should have showed it before the mirror to show the size difference.
Awesome video! I'm thinking about mounting the projector standing up, and 3D printing a mount with a 45° angled mirror... Do you think it can work?
Combine this with the wide lens to make an ultra short throw projector
This projector gets the job done pretty well. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxS9P8zTOcmQg-hH0QeUi3dspOLyYgQ6dH Bear in mind it's a mini projector but all things considered the picture quality is pretty good. The attached photo is of the projector projecting onto my white closet doors. I still have not messed with the settings but I can't wait for our first family movie night on a larger scale. If you have issues with volume not working with your firestick, go into volume settings and you will find your solution there.
Pretty cool! Could you use this mirror to project an image onto the ceiling?
yes
don't get the point, at the end of the day the projector is still at the other end of the room
El fogoso Resbaloso Bigger screen.
FIRST THINGS FIRST ....SO.....A SHORT THROW PROJECTOR IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PROJECTOR SCREEN 6-10"..
..WHEN WILL YOU SHOW THAT IN YOUR VIDEO.. ALL WE SEE HERE IS A REFLECTION OF A PROJECTOR.
...NOT A TRICK OTHER THAN YOU SELLING OVER PRICED PAINT...
If you can't get your projector far enough from the screen to get the size you want, you can use this trick to add distance. With this set up he is basically like being able to move the projector an extra 2ft back from the screen. It isn't short throw by any means but it can help if you lack space
what projector is this?
+Capt. Cheese Hello this trick will work on any projector :)
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I’m getting mad I can’t conceive mirror image correction I do not know what you’re talking about it’s way beyond my stereoscopic comprehension and why doesn’t it flip upside down? Why does it flip from side to side? Why is the reverse image left right and not up down? If you can answer this question correctly, you win a prize!
Getting mad for what just buy a short throw. The NEC M300WS under $200 on ebay. That demonstration was done when short throw projector were very expensive now you can buy them for cheap.
@@Themotherofallprojectorscreens I was being sarcastic. The video was spending way too much time describing something so mundane a three year old is rolling their eyes waiting for you to shut up. Lol.
that makes no sense at all. a short throw projector sits a few feet away in front of the screen hence the "short throw" this isnt short throw if you projector is that far away.
Cool an original Xbox.
whata the purpose of this, the goal is to keep the projector close to the screen, this is pointless
You'll increase your screen size without putting a hole in your wall.
You barely increase the size with this.
If you want a bigger screen you need to move the projector away from the mirror.
yeah totally pointless. he just flipped the projector into the opposite direction and redirected it with a mirror... XD
Haha, nice try... Optics rules says "it's a trap!"
What do you mean ?
How is this short throw? The projector is across the dang room!! 😆😆😆
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Adding a mirror CAN NOT add image size - and the distance from lens to mirror plus distance between lens and screen oviously equals the normal projection distance.
This means that you've won about around 50cm projection distance by adding an ultra large and ugly mirror. No - thanks.
And yes: (some of) the short throw and ultra short throw projectors use mirrors - But: they also use a (magnifying) optic developed for this purpose.
This is like all the videos "turn your smartphone into a beamer" - useless...
how is it short throw lol?
Haha true, maybe it should be "short-throw alternative"