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Kriegers seem to the be the best base for this combo. The ability to regenerate d3 from indirect fire that will target you, +1 to hit for the whole blob once a single krieger bites the dust, and the ability to use stratagems even while battleshocked from the pcs make this unit an amazing durable utility piece with a surprising bit of punch to it
You are right. I'm working on a 1k point army right now (and my first army as well). I was planning to take a regular infantry squad + platoon command + ursula, but i think krieg might be better. I get a heavy weapon mortar from the platoon command anyways so i can use that to trigger fields of fire :)
Kreig would be good for durability, but if you are on the backline using the master vox, I reckon having standard infantry with heavy weapons would be good to hold a back field objectively. Alternatively, Cadian shock troops would be good if you're advancing with the tanks for sticky objectives.
@@arminsfrozenpeas007 tbh in my case 1 mortar from the platoon command would suffice for fields of fire. I'd rather have a krieg squad and keep the whole unit out of LoS for most of the fighting to ensure sustained order support across the map. Krieg just offers extra durability.
@theStamax if you have points left over, the question is do you take regimental attaches? If you're using him in the back line or even advancing, would be good to have the astropath there to prevent reinforcements being set up within 12. Especially if you're playing against Terminators, you have high fire power and oath of moment that will be aimed at Lord Solar.
@@theStamax for your first army that's some pretty sharp thinking there commander!
creed with a simple 10 man infantry squad that takes a mortar is actually the best way of spamming fields of fire every turn on whatever target you want to nuke, and you even have a 50% chance to get a cp back too thanks to the vox
that and the solar/pcs/krieg squad are pretty much my auto includes in almost every single list thanks to how much utility they bring to the army
I think an important thing to note is lord solars extra cp generation! Even if you can cover the extra orders other ways, he’s really good just for the CP! same with creed! Fields of fire (2cp) for free every single turn!
Its such a auto include unit now, I run mine as follows: Lord solar, Platoon command squad w/master vox, medi pack, mortar, and the platoon commander with Drill commander enhancement, then infantry blob with 2 mortars and grenade launchers, sit back, fire out orders to arty, tanks, etc. while throwing out indirect mortar rounds doing lethals on 5s
Or grand strategist for a whopping 5 orders. Although I think your idea is better
I play this two ways, i either take a infantry squad with a mortar, and a platoon command squad with a mortar. Then camp them safe in the backline with solar and spread orders. Can even take the extra order on the command squad if you want 5 orders. And you also get two mortars so they can accualy do something while hiding away on homefield objective. The other way is just stick him with Dkok, a platoon command squad with Ogryn bodyguard and just jeet em up board. Lord solar having +1 to wound from the Dkok and the end of their life can be quite amusing.
Maybe worth adding that if you don’t like the Lord Solar model, it takes a head swap well and is also one of the most proxied in the Guard range. Loads of options.
GW should have let tank commanders order up to 3 other tanks within range with the same order.
That would make a great detachment for the codex. Tank commanders are pretty good where they are at after the dataslate for the current detachment we have.
I'd disagree, tank commanders are still 200 point models that only give a single order and hit on 4s with no way to buff it's accuracy. if it naturally hit on 3s then it'd be much better but it's way too expensive to be unreliable
@@ryza7760 lord solar can order up to 3 of them at 24". I wouldn't call them auto include but if you want to play tank heavy youd be missing out not running at least 1.
i mean really if you have a decent amount of vehicles on the board we're probably talking about both a tc with drill commander AND leontus at this point right? lol
Really hoping when the actual Codex comes out there’ll either be an Enhancement you can take to let an Officer issue Orders to vehicles and/or one you can take for a vehicle to allow it to issue an Order to another vehicle like the 9th edition Tank Ace ability. Or even one that lets a Tank Commander issue more than one Order. It’s odd to have to take the Lord Solar with every vehicle list just to be able to give more than one vehicle an Order. And Tank Commanders are still expensive and strangely still can’t give Orders to their own tank.
Hopefully by 2025 when the guard codex drops it’ll have more access to vehicle orders
To audio listeners the dataslate has changed everything, mainly big tanks are cheaper and tank commanders with demolisher cannons are 205 points. Basically u r paying 5 points more for a squadron order and shoots on death. They are very good now.
are you sure ???
@@milanhawkeyeyep, demolisher russ is 200 points, tank commander with demolisher is only 205... 5 points for an order and shoot on death is GREAT value
@@tyjames3339 the only downside is that if your opponent takes fixed objectives (bring it down and assassinate) they score a ton of points very quickly killing a tank commander. But so far my opponent usually takes fixed and max score it against me regardless 😭. We have so many weak characters and then its not that hard to kill 3x sentinels and a couple transports.
I feel like there is a hole in the roster right now. You can get like 10 different flavours of regiment orders, but only Lord S and Tank Commander for squadron. I feel there will be some new model for squadron orders some time soon, maybe when the codex drops.
Be it a Rommel style buggy (which would be very cool), a command Rogal or something completely different.
Im willing to bet 1 person a pot of Castellan Green about this.
Officers should be able to have the choice to order ANY and ALL units within 6inches, or any SINGLE unit with a vox anywhere on the map.
This way it simulates that they either yell their orders for everyone to hear, or radioed to a specific unit.
The better the officer the more orders they can issue
Simples.
Supreme command squad with infantry, who takes a mortar, and the command squad who takes another mortar, sitting next to creed to feed these 2 mortars fields of fire to prime a target. platoon commander can order a sentinel unit, and creed orders two heavy weapons team (both mortars), to fix for lethal hits.
Throw in a Ogryn Bodyguard and you have yourself a Deal!!
dats 285 points bro...$$$
Great tactic, but i wont be buying a Lord Solar unfortunately. That and I feel tank commanders need to spash their orders. Fluff wise, the tank commander could switch to a squadron frequency anyway and order tanks from there, rather than a specific frequency for each tank.
I JUST bought a Lord Solar after trying out the same combo but with Ursula Creed.
My tanks get orders from a tank commander. As the god emperor indented. Not some flowery noble on a horse.
ditch him too. bring scout sentinels and exterminator russ's and get the same bonus's through abilities. and this way anyone else that shoots at the targets all get the same buffs...
I stubbornly refuse to run leontus. I dislike auto include units, especially if they're special characters.
I tried this and lost the battle within 3 rounds. Damn Eldar! 😢
Don't worry, send in the next wave with a vengeance next game 😉
Where do i fnd the rule that says you can add 2 leaders to batteline units??? I thought i remembered seeing it, but then couldnt find it again, can someone point me in the right direction
If you haven't found it yet, It's on the battleline units data sheet (Cadian/kreig etc.), in italic under unit composition.
Thank you very much!@@SemblanceOfReason
I don't mean to be rude about this, but I will say I do actually find it kind of funny that you never mention that this unit will then also have an additional officer in it, netting the ubitca FOURTH order, and while I admit that might seem less relevant, since we are discussing Leontus bossing around the big metal boxes, and that Commander would be limited to ordering infantry, it's still not nothing, and Guard definitely looks like it might be moving in the direction of mech infantry, so there will probably be some footmen around, supporting those tanks, who could also use an order. Might also grab the regimental advisors/attaches, for perks, ot just a few extra Wounds, to keep not Macharius alive!😊
Still, I'm really glad that the Lord Solar has gone over so well. I was hoping that they would eventually get a Guard Supreme Commander, and he's good, even if that paint scheme on the official art still kinda bugs me, and he didn't get to keep Macharius' 3++ save. Oh well, if Guilliman can't have it, I guess "just a Lord of Terra" wouldn't, either, and atbleast his is a 4++, and not 5++.
so...even if you swap in creed and were using her free stratagems to throw out fields of fires to the rest of the army your still investing like like 175 points (or 245 with leontus) for a unit that really only has like 1 heavy weapon and a few assault weapons and that isnt particularly survivable.
the kaskrin creed ball seems like it can do all the same things minus being able to throw stratagems in quite the same way (but still useful) and the ball seems like it would have a lot more firepower and a good amount more survivability for only a few points more....
but im a noob so i dont really know lol
Type 92 and Type 95 double trouble?
I'm doing double tournament. 1000pts. Paired with white scars, what people think to take?
Anyone know of any good ways to run this in a mech guard list (I.E. infantry in transports + damage dealers)
With the new points drop, what are your thoughts on the tank commander now?
It is auto include. Very sad that I have to whel out the same tired combo every time.
I alway bring cadian command squad with extra order enhancement and lord solar
what about for a 1k point game? that's a pretty hefty number of pounds
honestly depends if you are using a mechanized list. A infantry heavy list can do with just Creed and command squads.
2:45 Funnily enough, Sergeant Harker IS an officer by the definition of what a sergeant is: a non-commissioned officer. And of course, he does have the keyword "officer"!
Well, I'm not getting Lord Solar since Mordian Glory and I promised not to buy any more GW products (I have not forgotten).
I'll get around to getting proxy or counts-as eventually.
@@BaronesaReturns Yeah, the money that I am not giving GW in 2023 is going into my 3D printer fund.
Would have had it by now, but I had to replace a water heater.
😭
I typically go for a Proxied lord solar (official model is horrible) 2x infantry squads, infantry command squad all with mortars for a baby mortar pit. Give the pl the grand strategist. The pl orders the plt (really the mortars) and an armored sentinel squadron. Lord solar orders the demolisher, exterminator and the hydra.
I’ve tabled World eaters, Tyranids, Deathguard, Csm with belakor, and spacemarines in local tournaments.
This is the list:
Solar Cavalrary (2000 Points)
Astra Militarum
Combined Regiment
Strike Force (2000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Gaunt’s Ghosts (100 Points)
• 1x Ibram Gaunt
• 1x Bolt Pistol
1x Gaunt’s chainsword
• 1x Colm Corbec
• 1x Corbec’s hot-shot lascarbine
1x Straight silver knife
• 1x Elim Rawne
• 1x Rawne’s lascarbine
1x Straight silver knife
• 1x Hlaine Larkin
• 1x Larkin’s long-las
1x Straight silver knife
• 1x ’Try Again’ Bragg
• 1x Bragg’s autocannon
1x Straight silver knife
• 1x Oan Mkoll
• 1x Lascarbine
1x Mkoll’s straight silver knife
Lord Solar Leontus (125 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Conquest
1x Konstantin’s hooves
1x Sol’s Righteous Gaze
Platoon Command Squad (60 Points)
• 1x Platoon Commander
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Laspistol
• 2x Veteran Guardsman
• 2x Close combat weapon
2x Lasgun
2x Laspistol
1x Master Vox
1x Medi-pack
• 1x Veteran Heavy Weapons Team
• 1x Autocannon
1x Close combat weapon
1x Laspistol
Regimental Enginseer (45 Points)
• 1x Archeotech pistol
1x Enginseer axe
1x Servo-arm
Tank Commander (220 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Exterminator autocannon
2x Heavy bolter
1x Heavy bolter
1x Heavy stubber
1x Hunter-killer missile
• Enhancements: Grand Strategist
BATTLELINE
Catachan Jungle Fighters (55 Points)
• 1x Jungle Fighter Sergeant
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Laspistol
• 9x Jungle Fighter
• 9x Close combat weapon
9x Lasgun
OTHER DATASHEETS
Attilan Rough Riders (140 Points)
• 1x Rough Rider Sergeant
• 1x Hunting lance
1x Lasgun
1x Laspistol
1x Steed’s hooves
• 9x Rough Rider
• 9x Hunting lance
9x Lasgun
9x Laspistol
9x Steed’s hooves
Hellhound (125 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Hunter-killer missile
1x Melta cannon
1x Multi-melta
Hellhound (125 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Hunter-killer missile
1x Melta cannon
1x Multi-melta
Hellhound (125 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Hunter-killer missile
1x Melta cannon
1x Multi-melta
Leman Russ Exterminator (180 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Exterminator autocannon
1x Lascannon
Rogal Dorn Battle Tank (260 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Castigator gatling cannon
1x Heavy stubber
1x Twin battle cannon
Rogal Dorn Battle Tank (260 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Castigator gatling cannon
1x Heavy stubber
1x Twin battle cannon
Scout Sentinels (60 Points)
• 1x Autocannon
1x Close combat weapon
1x Hunter-killer missile
1x Sentinel chainsaw
Scout Sentinels (60 Points)
• 1x Autocannon
1x Close combat weapon
1x Hunter-killer missile
1x Sentinel chainsaw
Scout Sentinels (60 Points)
• 1x Autocannon
1x Close combat weapon
1x Hunter-killer missile
1x Sentinel chainsaw
he The list will take out everything big and scary, still fast and mobile to get on objectives. And you’re opponent will not have enough antitank to slow you down. The hell hounds will delete ANYTHING, if you get in melta range with shitty rolls you will still wreck shop because the the multi melta is melta 2 and melta canon is melta 4. So if you whiff and focus fire 3 hell hounds to the biggest threat on the board it’s guaranteed 18damage on a really bad day.
For the Tank commanders, I think that whole index should be removed from the game and the tank commander is set as a option for all the other Russ variants. Though you still also have the option to include a enhancement. Tech commanders, even with the points reduction are still garbage.
Lord solar represents everything i hate about 10th edition and competitive play
what im trying to do is isntead of spending too much on supporting units like the lord solar, i just take more tanks to make up for the worse balistic skill. Also I take tanks that buff each other while still dealing some damage, like hellhounds, sentinels, and extermiantors. I just dont like that horse riding douchebag. (he is too specific to convert and i already have lots of models, im not buying that guy)
Umm let's keep this short and simple.. bring Leontus and Creed! LOL MIND BLOWING ADVICE
Still sucks you HAVE to take lord solar if you want any sort of efficient squadron orders/CP generation and still looking at at least 245~ for the squad and an ugly ass model.
I quite like the lord solar, but I also kitbashed mine lol
@@anthonylamonica5771 Im kit bashing one out of a sentinel and commissar with a black gold 'fortress of arrogance' theme.
You really dont though. Its boring seeing everyone run the same thing.
Just because you like it doesnt make it auto include.
as nice as the rules are i dont think i could bring myself to field the Lord Solar Leontus model in my army, looks out of place, not a fan of the model at all.
and i hate being a name dropper trying to play with a warmaster in a 2000 battle...
Is it just me or is the model off putting enough to prevent anyone else from fielding him? I can’t even find a good proxy that I like.
I don't like lord Solar 😢
He's auto include unless you're doing scions
I do 😈
I think he meant the model itself and he's not wrong.@@FabledAllele
@Troph2 nah I get it, but he's actually really Kool my model came out great
@@FabledAllele honestly I think the official paint scheme is what puts most people off of him. The baby blue is not the best look…
Seriously? What a waste of time this video is. You are literally reading the rules. Wow. Deep insight.
not sure about this dude's strategic advice. he's a well-articulated dashing young fellow... BUT who can deny the wonderful aesthetically pleasing backsplash of art stills!?
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However I beg to differ with your advice from the previous comment, Lord Solar can issue3 orders to any units from the guard whilst having a command squad with a Vox-caster can issue orders within 24" in range. To complete this tactic, you'll also need to take a battleline unit of 20 blobs of infantry to attach them both and they will be counted as one whole unit! So instead of the Lord Solar issuing orders within 6" he can now order units within 24" in range! Whilst taking Creed and Leontus together with a battleline will only have an order range of 6". Hope that clarifies the strategy Mordian is explaining in this video and will perhaps change your mind, but of course all of this is just like Mordians and my opinion.
Thanks for watching! o7