What I picture for a potential Disney Plus release would be a mix between the ride film and a multi-angle proshot of everything that goes on inside the theater.
I like the idea of moving the show next to RRC. But if not, they could move it into the Magic Eye Theatre. Figment and the Muppets could hold down the Imagination pavilion.
It has to be the whole show with Sweetums /effects and pre-show otherwise it isn't Muppetvision. If it's a new show, Frank Oz has to provide creative input I like the idea of the Epcot imagination pavilion move with a small walkthrough exhibition about Jim. Though moving it to replace the Villains show is ideal. Though there are those Muppet land plans gathering dust in Imagineering. On the Rollercoaster retheme.... It needs the gags, a pre-show with actual Muppet animatronics and MUPPET MUSIC!!!!!
I am hoping that Muppet Vision is truly preserved. It is among the best 3D shows that exist in a theme park. It is self aware in a way that is funny and pokes fun at itself in a way only Muppets can. I'm hoping RnR is good with the Muppets. But I need Muppet Vision to remain in the parks or at least be preserved somehow someway in some form. I can only hope the announcement made is not PR nonsense and we can actually get something that saves the queue, the show and the memories people have with it for generations to come.
The theatre in california adventure that now houses philharmagic was designed for muppet vision and featured it for over a decade. It would be quite easy to put it back in.
Just one slight correction. MuppetVision isn’t being replaced for the Door coaster, that’s going in the parking lot. MuppetVision is being replaced by some unannounced “new Monsters Inc. Show.”
And, on top of the sadness that is the loss of Muppet Vision, there's also the loss of Mama Melrose -- one of the best places for someone needing a gluten free menu
I wish they'd leave MuppetVision right where it is. The theater was built for it and having Monster's right down the block from it is not the craziest thing in the world. Anyplace else, it's going to be this weird compromise. Edit: To add...I do think the Sunset Theater is not a bad place to move MuppetVision...the problem is that the theater's kinda small. There's really no space for the preshow area and the theater right now is alot smaller than Muppet Theater. It'd take some logistical work to figure that out...which I'd be very happy if they did
They removed the Great Movie Ride with R.R. They should have updated it with only Disney Movie clips and attractions. I agree with you, the Muppets 3-D movie needs to live on. (I’m a former cast member and worked the Muppets Movie for 3 years.)
I agree, while I do really like M&MRR, I wish we didn’t lose Great Movie Ride for it. I agree that they should’ve just updated GMR and maybe if possible put M&MRR somewhere else
If they move Muppet Vision to Sunset Showcase I hope they have the same preshow room. I love all the sight gags. I've asked a cast member if I can stay in there for another pre-view loop just to take everything in.
Actually, Walt did say that Disney would be a sometimes museum. “Disneyland will be sometimes a fair, an exhibition, a playground, a community center, a museum of living facts, and a showplace of beauty and magic. It will be filled with accomplishments, the joys and hopes of the world we live in.” From the onslaught, Walt referred to tinkering and expansion. Not ripping away for the sake of innovation. If anything is true, it’s that we can find more quotes on Walt’s wanting Americana to exist in Disney more than anything else. Over and over again, Walt emphasizes that the parks are a collection of nostalgia and innovation. We can’t have the nostalgia if it gets ripped out for lop-sided technology. Edit: From what I can tell, “Disneyland is not a museum” is a term invented by imagineers, most likely stemming from corporate, to validate the taking away or altering of attractions considered sacred.
I actually emailed the Center for Puppetry Arts a few weeks ago, telling them about my concerns, and I really hope other people reach out to them as well. If there's going to be a solution to this, they're the people who should be most involved (yes, even more than the Henson family, although it's become clear over the years that they're not happy with how Disney has managed their father's hard work and legacy).
And to be honest, I would love even more if just they owned the Muppets IP. I highly doubt that will happen, because we know Disney would rather close or end an IP or studio rather than sell it (RIP Blue Sky Studios), but the Muppets need to be in the hands of people who understand the art and craft of puppetry. It's not like animation or even a live action studio, and Disney can't grasp that.
@OscarLangleySoryu then why have all their Muppet projects over the last 15 years been either mediocre or just complete shit? The Muppets have more in common with a community theater troupe than they do with an animation studio, they do not belong with a company that fired the one guy who knew how to keep the gang together and the show going.
@@OscarLangleySoryu then why has every Muppet project over the last 15 years been either bland and mediocre or complete horseshyte? If you knew anything about the Muppets or puppetry in general, you'd know that they're much closer to being like a community theater troupe than an animation studio. The Muppet characters are, in many cases, drawn from the personalities of the real life performers, and they are known for doing a lot of improvisation. But Disney is not an improv company, they have strict control over their IPs, and they're not shy about getting rid of people who try to protect their projects, like Steve Whitmire, or even Joe Rodhe from Imagineering. They don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to puppetry or The Muppets.
Dallin, I think you are completely right. Don't forget that Disney is listening to you (except for the people mover). The Muppets need more respect. I agree that Sunset Showcase would be a great place for Muppets 3D. Disney should make that whole corner of Hollywood studios a Muppet area. I don't like roller coasters but a whole Muppet Land is something I would love to go to.#KeepJimHensonsDreamAlive.
Every Disney world park needs a good show to give people a break from the Florida heat and crowds, I sincerely hope that a theatre somewhere has muppet vision in the future
Instead of a Muppet retheme for Rock n’ Roller coaster, a friend of mine suggested a Powerline & a Goofy Movie retheme. Ever since she’s said it, I can’t stop thinking about how cool that would be!
They could bring Muppet Vision 3-D back to California Adventure by turning the Hollywood Backlot into a Muppets inspired Hollywood area called “The Muppets Take Hollywood!” It would even have more muppets attractions and an original Electric Mayhem roller coaster.
@@thrillingadventures4164 yeah, I’m not on board with Pandora going in the Hollywood backlot, Heck even in California Adventure. Zootopia works so much better in there since it’s based on Los Angeles and Muppets would’ve also been a great idea but unfortunately, the Imagineers at Disney currently have no creative bones in their bodies. So they’ll just slap whatever IP will make the most money into the parks.
Given Disney's lack of respect for such things, I wonder if there's a possibility of the show being moved to one of the museums that's already dedicated to Jim Henson and the Muppets. It looks like there'd be enough space near his boyhood exhibit and Birthplace of Kermit The Frog museum. Or they could probably work it into their lot in Hollywood. They could probably work out a way of building it over the current parking they have on site. It's less than ideal, but both locations would likely be permanently protected as long as the Jim Henson company exists at all. That being said, with how Disney has been flushing money down the toilet, perhaps just sell the property to Universal, they're going to have space in their parks when they lose the rights to other Disney properties in coming years.
@thrillingadventures4164 There is no Pandora coming and it’s closing in WDW due to the breakup of the Walt Disney Company under antitrust. The California theming will be enforced again with Marvel and Pixar gone. Tower of Terror is coming back to CA.
I so hope you're right and Sunset Showcase is where Muppet Vision 3D ends up. The announcement was a double blow for me; Muppets Vision was one thing my whole family looked forward to doing _together_ every time we went to Disney, and while me and my mom are not roller coaster people, my dad and brother (dad especially) love the Aerosmith version of the Rock N Roller Coaster. They'll _probably_ like the Muppet version "fine," but they'll still be disappointed that it was changed. Personally, aside from the issues in respecting legacies, I'm very upset that we keep getting more and more intense thrill rides only a subset of families can enjoy and less intense (but still fun!) experiences are largely getting pushed out to make room for them. And honestly, it also makes me nervous that they're changing the Rock N Roller Coaster because of how physically close it is to the Tower of Terror, and how at odds the Muppet themeing will be to have right next door. [Aerosmith didn't make a ton of sense either but you could make the argument they were both "tribute" rides and sorta made sense together that way.] ToT is the one intense thrill ride I make an exception for because of how much I love the (old) _Twilight Zone_ and I've been terrified (haha) for the Florida version's future ever since they changed California's. This makes me think ToT may be next on the chopping block...
to be fair, ToT is the icon of the hollywood studios park. It’s on all the maps and merch representing the park, it’s 90% likely they don’t change it, at least in the next 25 or so years
@@LiquidSteel_04 Eh, I really _hope_ you're right, but being an icon of Hollywood Studios certainly hasn't stopped them from removing or changing things before. See also: The Earffel Tower and Mickey's Sorcerer Hat. They could very well re-theme ToT to something else but keep the facade 90% the same so they don't have to change much in marketing.
I was thinking the building next to Rock N Roller Coaster myself. And I didn't even realize that Lightning McQueen closed down. I also got some more Magic Candles. Banshee's Flight smells just like the cave in Flight of Passage. It's incredible.
I was thinking that too. That would probably stimulate some traffic to it as well. Being next to the roller coaster and having an updated Muppet area around it. Of course, that would require intelligence so don’t hold your breath.
The Rock n Roller Coaster being Muppets themed makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. While the Muppets are known in part for music, it's usually slower paced music where they wouldn't get through an entire song with the length of the roller coaster. And, you're going to fast that there isn't really the opportunity to show much, as it has to be pretty big to even be noticeable.
Had a Christmas party a few days ago, broke out in tears when I was gifted an Electric Mayhem vinyl because all I could think of was Muppets Courtyard dying.
I think they try too hard to make it modern and up-to-date instead of timeless, so when they try too hard a lot of jokes and references just kind of fall flat.
I think that moving Muppet Vision 3D to the sunset showcase is certainly the best option. Even if it moves the villains show, they have an entire land. And heck, while they’re at it, they could always make animation courtyard the home for à cars land…
I thought it was a no brainer that they could've expanded the Muppets are out for a new ride next to MuppetVision. Well, their doing that, but not with the Muppets. I'm still optimistic with the possibility it could be a move to the Sunset theater instead of a permanent closure but I'm not sure it would have all the bells and whistles as the current show. When they added Mickey's Philharmagic to DCA, it paled to the one in MK because the theater wasn't built for the large-scale screen that show was made for. I'm afraid that moving the show would lead to a similar situation but supposes it would be better than not having it at all.
If they are going to build a new muppet show I hope they take a good look at all the new possibilities like the dance macabre theater were all the seats turn
Imagine if Disney had ever built a Texas resort and then built a park and it was about Disney nostalgia. And in that park they built museums and galleries including memorabilia and pieces of defunct attractions, restaurants, shows...etc. But additionally they chose to preserve (or even recreate) some of the most beloved attractions. Yes, it wouldn't be immersive. But it could tell the story of Disney in a really compelling way. I know they wouldn't preserve EVERY attraction. But there would be a place to experience The Great Movie Ride, Maelstrom, Horizons, World of Motion, the Honey I Shrunk the Kids: Movie Set Adventure, Body Wars, Cranium Command, America Sings, ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter, 20,000 Leagues under the Sea or the Original Submarine Voyage, original Country Bear Jamboree, Captain EO, the original Journey into Imagination, Flying Saucers, Studio Backlot Tour, Adventure thru Inner Space....etc. And they could have a rotating line up of beloved stage shows that have ended that would run for a year or two and then be cycled through. This would be prefect for Muppet Vision.
Muppetvision 3D 2-combine the best aspects of Muppetvision 3D with the Philharmagic effects. I do like the idea of taking over the Villains show after the Villains land opens. Also, I do love the Magic Candle company so many great scents.
I agree they should take over the theatre close to RRC. Or could they upgrade the theatre seats to DBox ones (like in theatres), add some additional fans or sprinklers to turn Muppet 3D into 4D?
Losing MuppetVision entirely without a replacement would be a shame in sheer terms of accessibility! Not even talking about just height restrictions or thrill seekers, but MuppetVision is currently super accessible in terms of bringing in wheelchairs and ECVs. Literally the entire family can enjoy it. I also like to point out that the ride vehicles for Rock N Rollercoaster aren’t accessible for many cancer patients (or other medical situations) due to the over the head restraints laying over where they might have their ports placed. (This is one my family has to think about a lot, if you couldn’t guess!)
I truly hope it gets rebuilt in some new venue. They could theoretically build it as a smaller venue and still keep everything intact. In fact, I would love them to rebuild it as a paid experience in Disney Springs, or better yet, rebuild it in MULTIPLE places around the country! These wishes are large but I'm willing to negotiate!
I seem to miss my opportunities. Missed the closure of Haunted Mansion CA and showed up without being able to ride the ride. Havent been to Muppet Vision and FL since 2015. I want a minipark that has the lost rides of my youth.
Yes would love them to place Muppet vision next to rock n roller coaster make it a new mini-land. While they’re at it they can retheme the muppet vision theatre to Monsters Inc laugh floor and then Tomorrowland can receive a make over with a replacement for laugh floor as well as (finally) a replacement for stitches great escape
A lot of people say that the Muppets are timeless and I disagree. They made at least two movies about how most of the world had moved on from them. The show isn't free from warnings about dated content and built itself around contemporary guest stars. Muppet's 3D however is honestly one of the best things Jim Henson ever made and absolutely *is* timeless. You don't need ANY prior knowledge. You don't need any historical or story context aside from "these funny little people are putting on a 3D show in a theatre that's falling apart." I was convinced for a while that the little bunny was part of the original show because he just slots himself in so well. You can come in either completely blind or a lifetime fan and have the same experience, just like all the Disney World classics (this is why Na'vi River Journey is better than Flight of Passage I WILL DIE ON THIS ANTHILL) The only technology that dates it is the CRT screens for the pre-show, and I guess the whole idea of a 3D show being a novelty - though the Indiana Jones stunt show is pretending to shoot a film released in 1980 and that's not going anywhere...yet...
Sunset Showcase is a Black Box theater. This means that there could be a quick turnaround for any retheme. In addition, the oversized courtyard can probably seat hundreds of guests in a banquet event.
Unironically my favourite thing to do at Hollywood Studios. The first time I did it was 2004 when it was still MGM studios, the last time was 2017. I really hope it endures within a Disney park somewhere.
Same theater - new Muppet show: The Muppets Take Monstropolis!!! The muppets have a lot of monsters of their own - would love to see Sully and Sweetums go on an adventure! You could have alternating times for both shows all day.
I LOVE your idea of where to move Muppet Vision 3D and I also would love to see Disney bring back the Muppet Show like they did about 10 years ago. Dave Grohl and Animal having a drum off was AWESOME! 😃
The Swedish Chef Animatronic is probably my favorite one in all of the Disney Parks, partly for thr fact that he just straight up has a gun. My favorite animatronic of all time is Magdol in ET.
The Rockin Roller coaster Muppet overlay was a knee jerk reaction by Disney to quiet the rumbling after the M3D impending closure. Glad to see Muppets there but nothing was in the works. They are starting from scratch
They are being shortsighted by creating what they see as a crowd draw. What I think even Walt would agree on is that there needs to be longstanding generational rides that parents can’t tell their children was their favorite ride as a kid. They are in a cycle of just recycling areas for a boost in attendance and then just move on. It’s not honoring anything. I’m sure they think taking advantage of muppets IP to replace a ride that already needed retheme is honoring muppets but I think most of us know better.
Glad to hear you at least didn’t delete ur X/Twitter account. Also I pretty much 100% agree with ur assessment about what to do with Muppet Vision by putting it next to rockin’ rollercoaster in a few years.
I hope it gets relocated to a different show building and it would be really nice to have a way to experience it in VR without having to go to the parks. And having it in VR would give a digital archive of the show and pre-show
Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior, so I'm betting they repurpose the Muppet animatronics in the new ride and end Muppets 3D forever. It is very unlikely that Disney will recreate the theater in either California or Sunset Showcase because that would require money that is neither budgeted nor available.
I vote to bring it back to DCA. I just saw Mickey's Philharmagic for the first time last week and would much rather have Muppets back in there. It was really sad looking up in the opera seats and seeing how empty they were. One of the corners is even partially covered.
We must save Muppet Vision 3D in its complete totalness! AND, equally, important is the continued presence, in its present form, of the Piggy Liberty Fountain! Sincerely! I'm no kidding! And... Thank you, D! This were spectacular!
Honestly, I think Muppet vision 3-D should be at the sunset, showcase along with Muppet vision 4-D So they make a new show so old fans can see something new and young fans can see something new. It will just switch around time.
I'm the Muppet fan who's scared of roller coasters, I do not want my only way to engage with the Muppets, one of my favorite things ever, at the parks to be a ride I would just not be able to enjoy 😭
They don’t need another cars land. They have one. It’s okay not to have every IP in every park. It makes going to another park worth it. Here’s an idea, retheme Tianas Bayou Adventure to the Muppets! Since it doesn’t work anymore, it’s like they took it over!
TBH, I think that a cars land like what they're thinking about could be really cool, the issue is that they're putting it in the middle of the park. If they put it in one of those unused areas towards the margins of their property, that could be really cool.
There is no Cars Land ever coming to WDW. With Disney being broken up, say goodbye to Pixar in the Disney parks to avoid paying licensing to a once again independent Pixar. And there's no such thing as Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Splash Mountain is up and running in the US right this second.
Personally, if they don't bring over Muppet Vision 3d to the sunset threather, I propose two other Muppet alternatives: 1) An actual, interactive, live Muppet show with puppets and animatronics 2) Build the unrealized Great Muppet movie ride(two birds, one stone)
I wish they could just make a muppet land! That way Muppetvision can remain at the building, the new Muppet roller coaster can still happen, and have other themed rides, restaurants, and stores! Plus they can still make Monsters Inc land, just make it at a good spot! Plus make other rides related to Hollywood!
Bring Muppet*Vision 3D to the Sunset Showcase, just bring the fountain and the Kermit Statues, put a pizza cart selling Pizza Rizzo and rename the Sunset Showcase to the Jim Henson Theater and name that area with Rockin Rollercoaster and Sunset Showcase the Muppet Studios
Muppet tower of Terror, and yes Muppets 4D in that theater! Along with a new Muppets themed quick service restaurant all in that corner of Hollywood Studios.
Let’s say the Sunset building did become a Muppets 4D, why couldn’t they just have it also be capable of playing Muppets 3D as well? A ton of “4D” theaters have multiple shows that can prepare. Like the main infrastructure is the same, you just need to invest a little extra to cover all the Muppet 3D effects that the 4D show wasn’t doing already.
You should look into Efteling newest attraction, Danse Macabre, which replaced the fan favourite Spookslot. Perfect example of how to do an attraction replacement right.
As much as the theatre takeover is a no brainier I doubt it’ll happen. I get the feeling that Disney don’t LIKE the Muppets the way we do. They seem to only use them out of obligation, ease or appeasement. They turn up at events because it’s easy to throw them into any situation, they give us a Rockin rollercoaster retheme as an easy retheme to appease fans mad about Muppetvision. We’ll have to wait and see how much effort they bother putting in to it. Animatronics, puppets, anything practical? Or just screens? I certainly feel like Disney would like us to just forget about the muppets and wouldn’t bother with the mayhem coaster if they didn’t feel they had to. In that same vein I think they’ll look at Rockin rollercoaster and think ‘job done, fans have their obligatory muppets representation’ and call it a day. No restaurant, no show, nothing more they need to do if they can do the bare minimum. In a perfect world I’d advocate for muppetvision taking over that show building, and even expand backwards, take over animation courtyard. Convert that area into the Muppet studios we’ve always wanted. A Swedish chef restaurant, a new Muppet gift shop. And most importantly, the Great Muppet movie ride in homage to the much missed real great movie ride.
My dream now that Sesame Street rights are on the market is that Disney reunites The Muppets, take over Sesame Place and Muppet Vision 3D can live on forever. I agree with you that they should just bring back the Muppet Show.
I like your optimal use of Sunset Studios adjacent to the roller coaster! I wonder if a good “plan B” might be putting it adjacent to Journey Into Imagination in the former home of Captain EO? Think of the life it would breathe into that area!
Sad to see Muppet Vision go. I'm thinking the "the next act" is probably just a reference to the new Muppets Rock 'n' Roller Coaster ride. Guess we'll find out someday!
I would love to see MuppetVision get a new building. But I would rather see some updates. For example, take a page from Star Tours and keep MuppetVision 3D but also be able to play different Muppets shows within the same space.
I don't think they're going to keep it. Re-theming RRC was great timing due to the contract with Aerosmith expiring and the Muppets was ultimately the IP that was available with an also planned new construction of the park. Disney knows that they have to keep changing things up and adding new attractions or else people won't come, especially in the day and age of social media where new things are always demanded for content and to keep visitors/viewers happy. I love the muppets, but it's grasping at straws to hope that they would even try to keep this thing. It's a 30 plus year old attraction, and contemporary Disney has no interest in keeping something around that's been open that long unless it's still getting foot traffic (which their data shows that it hasn't been getting).
love your idea of muppetvision to another park. i noticed you forgot to mention that it used to be in california adventure a long time ago! that theater is just filled with nothing all the time why couldnt they just bring the muppets back there 😢😢
If muppets goes to Disney plus I’m going to need sweetums to walk into my living room when I watch it
I hope they don't do that!!
Now I picture having to fill out a form before you watch Muppetvision 3D at home. That way they can schedule Sweetums to your area.
We all.do
I’ve been praying to god for that to happen for years it still hasn’t come true
What I picture for a potential Disney Plus release would be a mix between the ride film and a multi-angle proshot of everything that goes on inside the theater.
Put it in the Imagination pavilion! Muppets are the very embodiment of imagination. Muppets + restored Figment would be a winning combo!
Yes!
@tgystafson only problem with that is one ride is in Hollywood studios and one is in EPCOT
@@leeirby3857 And Frozen is everywhere. Your point is?
Would be nice to have Muppet Vision in the theatre captain EO used to be
@@mattthepianist8313 agreed!!
I'm praying for the transfer to Sunset Showcase and making that whole area a new Muppets land.
Yeah since Muppets are taking over Rockin Roller Coaster
I hope they commit to keeping Muppet Vision open. It's one of the best shows in the Disney parks and its historical importance cannot be overstated.
Guess you could say they must Kermit to keeping it… I’ll show myself the door.
@@thattheatrenerd1418ha!! Good one!!
But he’s right they need to cancel those plans
Oh if it's historic then it's definitely closing down.
@@Aristocrat1cs it still needs to be preserved! It DOES NOT need to be shoved onto Disney plus!
@@Aristocrat1cs it still needs to be preserved!
I like the idea of moving the show next to RRC. But if not, they could move it into the Magic Eye Theatre. Figment and the Muppets could hold down the Imagination pavilion.
I see no reason why it can’t go to Imagination Pavilion. Muppet Labs would make so much sense there.
@@MichaelSangregorio both are good options! And they can also move laugh floor to monstropolis. It really doesn't fit the theming of Tomorrowland.
It has to be the whole show with Sweetums /effects and pre-show otherwise it isn't Muppetvision.
If it's a new show, Frank Oz has to provide creative input
I like the idea of the Epcot imagination pavilion move with a small walkthrough exhibition about Jim.
Though moving it to replace the Villains show is ideal.
Though there are those Muppet land plans gathering dust in Imagineering.
On the Rollercoaster retheme.... It needs the gags, a pre-show with actual Muppet animatronics and MUPPET MUSIC!!!!!
@@natsirt0088 I'll take what I can get. LOL
I am hoping that Muppet Vision is truly preserved. It is among the best 3D shows that exist in a theme park. It is self aware in a way that is funny and pokes fun at itself in a way only Muppets can. I'm hoping RnR is good with the Muppets. But I need Muppet Vision to remain in the parks or at least be preserved somehow someway in some form. I can only hope the announcement made is not PR nonsense and we can actually get something that saves the queue, the show and the memories people have with it for generations to come.
The theatre in california adventure that now houses philharmagic was designed for muppet vision and featured it for over a decade. It would be quite easy to put it back in.
“A muppets fan who is afraid of roller coasters” I know who that is, ITS ME
me too!
Just one slight correction. MuppetVision isn’t being replaced for the Door coaster, that’s going in the parking lot. MuppetVision is being replaced by some unannounced “new Monsters Inc. Show.”
If they put it in Sunset Showcase, they could give us the balloon back
If only they didn’t chop it up for those Pins 😭
And, on top of the sadness that is the loss of Muppet Vision, there's also the loss of Mama Melrose -- one of the best places for someone needing a gluten free menu
Can we just talk about the fact that Star Wars Launch Bay is still alive.
We can at least laugh derisively at it.
@@Jarnor23 that should be moved to Galaxy's Edge! It doesn't fit in animation courtyard at all!!
Drives me insane that they’re taking away muppetvision instead of launch bay like yall rly couldnt make it work??? 😭😭😭
I wish they'd leave MuppetVision right where it is. The theater was built for it and having Monster's right down the block from it is not the craziest thing in the world. Anyplace else, it's going to be this weird compromise.
Edit: To add...I do think the Sunset Theater is not a bad place to move MuppetVision...the problem is that the theater's kinda small. There's really no space for the preshow area and the theater right now is alot smaller than Muppet Theater. It'd take some logistical work to figure that out...which I'd be very happy if they did
They removed the Great Movie Ride with R.R. They should have updated it with only Disney Movie clips and attractions. I agree with you, the Muppets 3-D movie needs to live on. (I’m a former cast member and worked the Muppets Movie for 3 years.)
screens are cheaper sadly + current day imagineers cant seem to get anything right
I agree, while I do really like M&MRR, I wish we didn’t lose Great Movie Ride for it. I agree that they should’ve just updated GMR and maybe if possible put M&MRR somewhere else
Muppet Treasure Island, Muppet Christmas Carol, Muppet Vision 3D….the IP is legendary no matter what happens in the parks!
Muppet treasure island is awesome!!
My family watches Muppet Christmas Carol every year when we put our Christmas tree up it’s one of my favorite traditions
If they move Muppet Vision to Sunset Showcase I hope they have the same preshow room. I love all the sight gags. I've asked a cast member if I can stay in there for another pre-view loop just to take everything in.
I truly hope Muppet Vision 3D becomes the E.T. ride of Disney.
Actually, Walt did say that Disney would be a sometimes museum.
“Disneyland will be sometimes a fair, an exhibition, a playground, a community center, a museum of living facts, and a showplace of beauty and magic. It will be filled with accomplishments, the joys and hopes of the world we live in.”
From the onslaught, Walt referred to tinkering and expansion. Not ripping away for the sake of innovation. If anything is true, it’s that we can find more quotes on Walt’s wanting Americana to exist in Disney more than anything else. Over and over again, Walt emphasizes that the parks are a collection of nostalgia and innovation.
We can’t have the nostalgia if it gets ripped out for lop-sided technology.
Edit: From what I can tell, “Disneyland is not a museum” is a term invented by imagineers, most likely stemming from corporate, to validate the taking away or altering of attractions considered sacred.
I actually emailed the Center for Puppetry Arts a few weeks ago, telling them about my concerns, and I really hope other people reach out to them as well. If there's going to be a solution to this, they're the people who should be most involved (yes, even more than the Henson family, although it's become clear over the years that they're not happy with how Disney has managed their father's hard work and legacy).
And to be honest, I would love even more if just they owned the Muppets IP. I highly doubt that will happen, because we know Disney would rather close or end an IP or studio rather than sell it (RIP Blue Sky Studios), but the Muppets need to be in the hands of people who understand the art and craft of puppetry. It's not like animation or even a live action studio, and Disney can't grasp that.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 Disney has lots of puppetry experts lol
@OscarLangleySoryu then why have all their Muppet projects over the last 15 years been either mediocre or just complete shit? The Muppets have more in common with a community theater troupe than they do with an animation studio, they do not belong with a company that fired the one guy who knew how to keep the gang together and the show going.
@@OscarLangleySoryu then why has every Muppet project over the last 15 years been either bland and mediocre or complete horseshyte? If you knew anything about the Muppets or puppetry in general, you'd know that they're much closer to being like a community theater troupe than an animation studio.
The Muppet characters are, in many cases, drawn from the personalities of the real life performers, and they are known for doing a lot of improvisation. But Disney is not an improv company, they have strict control over their IPs, and they're not shy about getting rid of people who try to protect their projects, like Steve Whitmire, or even Joe Rodhe from Imagineering. They don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to puppetry or The Muppets.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 lol why are you being so nasty about puppets bro
Anyways… have you ever heard of a theme park?
Dallin, I think you are completely right. Don't forget that Disney is listening to you (except for the people mover). The Muppets need more respect. I agree that Sunset Showcase would be a great place for Muppets 3D. Disney should make that whole corner of Hollywood studios a Muppet area. I don't like roller coasters but a whole Muppet Land is something I would love to go to.#KeepJimHensonsDreamAlive.
Every Disney world park needs a good show to give people a break from the Florida heat and crowds, I sincerely hope that a theatre somewhere has muppet vision in the future
Instead of a Muppet retheme for Rock n’ Roller coaster, a friend of mine suggested a Powerline & a Goofy Movie retheme. Ever since she’s said it, I can’t stop thinking about how cool that would be!
Well now this is all I want 😔
They could bring Muppet Vision 3-D back to California Adventure by turning the Hollywood Backlot into a Muppets inspired Hollywood area called “The Muppets Take Hollywood!” It would even have more muppets attractions and an original Electric Mayhem roller coaster.
Sadly they're going to turn Hollywoodland into Pandora but Muppets land back there would be better
@@thrillingadventures4164 yeah, I’m not on board with Pandora going in the Hollywood backlot, Heck even in California Adventure. Zootopia works so much better in there since it’s based on Los Angeles and Muppets would’ve also been a great idea but unfortunately, the Imagineers at Disney currently have no creative bones in their bodies. So they’ll just slap whatever IP will make the most money into the parks.
Given Disney's lack of respect for such things, I wonder if there's a possibility of the show being moved to one of the museums that's already dedicated to Jim Henson and the Muppets. It looks like there'd be enough space near his boyhood exhibit and Birthplace of Kermit The Frog museum. Or they could probably work it into their lot in Hollywood. They could probably work out a way of building it over the current parking they have on site. It's less than ideal, but both locations would likely be permanently protected as long as the Jim Henson company exists at all.
That being said, with how Disney has been flushing money down the toilet, perhaps just sell the property to Universal, they're going to have space in their parks when they lose the rights to other Disney properties in coming years.
@thrillingadventures4164 There is no Pandora coming and it’s closing in WDW due to the breakup of the Walt Disney Company under antitrust. The California theming will be enforced again with Marvel and Pixar gone. Tower of Terror is coming back to CA.
I so hope you're right and Sunset Showcase is where Muppet Vision 3D ends up.
The announcement was a double blow for me; Muppets Vision was one thing my whole family looked forward to doing _together_ every time we went to Disney, and while me and my mom are not roller coaster people, my dad and brother (dad especially) love the Aerosmith version of the Rock N Roller Coaster. They'll _probably_ like the Muppet version "fine," but they'll still be disappointed that it was changed.
Personally, aside from the issues in respecting legacies, I'm very upset that we keep getting more and more intense thrill rides only a subset of families can enjoy and less intense (but still fun!) experiences are largely getting pushed out to make room for them.
And honestly, it also makes me nervous that they're changing the Rock N Roller Coaster because of how physically close it is to the Tower of Terror, and how at odds the Muppet themeing will be to have right next door. [Aerosmith didn't make a ton of sense either but you could make the argument they were both "tribute" rides and sorta made sense together that way.]
ToT is the one intense thrill ride I make an exception for because of how much I love the (old) _Twilight Zone_ and I've been terrified (haha) for the Florida version's future ever since they changed California's. This makes me think ToT may be next on the chopping block...
to be fair, ToT is the icon of the hollywood studios park. It’s on all the maps and merch representing the park, it’s 90% likely they don’t change it, at least in the next 25 or so years
@@LiquidSteel_04 Eh, I really _hope_ you're right, but being an icon of Hollywood Studios certainly hasn't stopped them from removing or changing things before. See also: The Earffel Tower and Mickey's Sorcerer Hat.
They could very well re-theme ToT to something else but keep the facade 90% the same so they don't have to change much in marketing.
@@MysticSparkleWingsI hope they don't change it! We already have guardians in Epcot so bringing it to ToT doesn't make a lot of sense.
I was thinking the building next to Rock N Roller Coaster myself. And I didn't even realize that Lightning McQueen closed down.
I also got some more Magic Candles. Banshee's Flight smells just like the cave in Flight of Passage. It's incredible.
That's were villians show is going
They could put it there, but with the villains show there, they may wait until the villains land opens in MK.
I was thinking that too. That would probably stimulate some traffic to it as well. Being next to the roller coaster and having an updated Muppet area around it.
Of course, that would require intelligence so don’t hold your breath.
The Rock n Roller Coaster being Muppets themed makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. While the Muppets are known in part for music, it's usually slower paced music where they wouldn't get through an entire song with the length of the roller coaster. And, you're going to fast that there isn't really the opportunity to show much, as it has to be pretty big to even be noticeable.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Electric Mayhem. And yes. The props will be big just like the ones they have now lol
The old Lightning McQueen building would make too much sense, so it will never happen. Mini Muppet World sounds great!
Hate to mention this…
Last muppets special: “Muppets Haunted Mansion”
Say hello to the Hatbox Gonzo
We all need the Muppets. They need to put someone in charge of the IP who understands the Muppets. ❤
Dallin, I agree, I think they should put it in the Sunset Showcase after they move the villain show to MK once the Villian land is opened.
I completely agree that it NEEDS to be at least moved, every prop, every gag from the queue an all into Sunset Showcase theater.
I want Muppet Vision back at DCA!
Me too
Had a Christmas party a few days ago, broke out in tears when I was gifted an Electric Mayhem vinyl because all I could think of was Muppets Courtyard dying.
I think the Henson Company may open a Muppet Vision exhibit in their museum, which would have a section that would play the show
Nope, I’m still pissed off. Disney doesn’t know what they’re doing with the IP. They don’t. Period
Cry about it lmao
I think they try too hard to make it modern and up-to-date instead of timeless, so when they try too hard a lot of jokes and references just kind of fall flat.
old man yells at cloud
@@flyingkatyaold muppet show isn’t timeless, they have many references that fall flat today. The muppet movies are timeless though.
We NEED a Muppets Great Movie Ride. Been waiting for that since Muppets were first announced for Disney/MGM Studios (sigh)
Muppets at Disney and now Sesame Street. It's a frightening time.
I think that moving Muppet Vision 3D to the sunset showcase is certainly the best option. Even if it moves the villains show, they have an entire land. And heck, while they’re at it, they could always make animation courtyard the home for à cars land…
I thought it was a no brainer that they could've expanded the Muppets are out for a new ride next to MuppetVision. Well, their doing that, but not with the Muppets. I'm still optimistic with the possibility it could be a move to the Sunset theater instead of a permanent closure but I'm not sure it would have all the bells and whistles as the current show. When they added Mickey's Philharmagic to DCA, it paled to the one in MK because the theater wasn't built for the large-scale screen that show was made for. I'm afraid that moving the show would lead to a similar situation but supposes it would be better than not having it at all.
i truly hope that they do move the attraction somewhere else rather than lazily slap it on disney+ 🙏
If they are going to build a new muppet show I hope they take a good look at all the new possibilities like the dance macabre theater were all the seats turn
Imagine if Disney had ever built a Texas resort and then built a park and it was about Disney nostalgia. And in that park they built museums and galleries including memorabilia and pieces of defunct attractions, restaurants, shows...etc. But additionally they chose to preserve (or even recreate) some of the most beloved attractions. Yes, it wouldn't be immersive. But it could tell the story of Disney in a really compelling way. I know they wouldn't preserve EVERY attraction. But there would be a place to experience The Great Movie Ride, Maelstrom, Horizons, World of Motion, the Honey I Shrunk the Kids: Movie Set Adventure, Body Wars, Cranium Command, America Sings, ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter, 20,000 Leagues under the Sea or the Original Submarine Voyage, original Country Bear Jamboree, Captain EO, the original Journey into Imagination, Flying Saucers, Studio Backlot Tour, Adventure thru Inner Space....etc. And they could have a rotating line up of beloved stage shows that have ended that would run for a year or two and then be cycled through. This would be prefect for Muppet Vision.
Muppetvision 3D 2-combine the best aspects of Muppetvision 3D with the Philharmagic effects. I do like the idea of taking over the Villains show after the Villains land opens. Also, I do love the Magic Candle company so many great scents.
The Hyperion Theater in DCA is empty and collecting cob webs. Just sayin…
My disappointment is palpable. I adore the Muppets and Muppet Vision.
I agree they should take over the theatre close to RRC. Or could they upgrade the theatre seats to DBox ones (like in theatres), add some additional fans or sprinklers to turn Muppet 3D into 4D?
They could literally just use the old Muppetvision theater in DCA. I'll bet the audio animatronics are still sitting there in the box seats.
They’re bolted to the seats!
Losing MuppetVision entirely without a replacement would be a shame in sheer terms of accessibility! Not even talking about just height restrictions or thrill seekers, but MuppetVision is currently super accessible in terms of bringing in wheelchairs and ECVs. Literally the entire family can enjoy it. I also like to point out that the ride vehicles for Rock N Rollercoaster aren’t accessible for many cancer patients (or other medical situations) due to the over the head restraints laying over where they might have their ports placed. (This is one my family has to think about a lot, if you couldn’t guess!)
I truly hope it gets rebuilt in some new venue. They could theoretically build it as a smaller venue and still keep everything intact. In fact, I would love them to rebuild it as a paid experience in Disney Springs, or better yet, rebuild it in MULTIPLE places around the country! These wishes are large but I'm willing to negotiate!
I seem to miss my opportunities. Missed the closure of Haunted Mansion CA and showed up without being able to ride the ride. Havent been to Muppet Vision and FL since 2015. I want a minipark that has the lost rides of my youth.
Yes would love them to place Muppet vision next to rock n roller coaster make it a new mini-land. While they’re at it they can retheme the muppet vision theatre to Monsters Inc laugh floor and then Tomorrowland can receive a make over with a replacement for laugh floor as well as (finally) a replacement for stitches great escape
Your idea is what I commented here when we first heard this. I sure hope they do this. Everyone would he happy, its a win/win.
They need to bring the Muppets back to DCA. There are plenty of areas in the Hollywood space that desperately need a good draw.
A lot of people say that the Muppets are timeless and I disagree. They made at least two movies about how most of the world had moved on from them. The show isn't free from warnings about dated content and built itself around contemporary guest stars.
Muppet's 3D however is honestly one of the best things Jim Henson ever made and absolutely *is* timeless. You don't need ANY prior knowledge. You don't need any historical or story context aside from "these funny little people are putting on a 3D show in a theatre that's falling apart." I was convinced for a while that the little bunny was part of the original show because he just slots himself in so well. You can come in either completely blind or a lifetime fan and have the same experience, just like all the Disney World classics (this is why Na'vi River Journey is better than Flight of Passage I WILL DIE ON THIS ANTHILL) The only technology that dates it is the CRT screens for the pre-show, and I guess the whole idea of a 3D show being a novelty - though the Indiana Jones stunt show is pretending to shoot a film released in 1980 and that's not going anywhere...yet...
Make the starcrusier the Pigs in Space immersive experience.
Lol
Is the theater still abandoned where they used to show Captain EO in EPCOT?
"maybe there's a muppet fan who's scared of coasters" hi hello it's me.
Sunset Showcase is a Black Box theater. This means that there could be a quick turnaround for any retheme. In addition, the oversized courtyard can probably seat hundreds of guests in a banquet event.
Unironically my favourite thing to do at Hollywood Studios. The first time I did it was 2004 when it was still MGM studios, the last time was 2017. I really hope it endures within a Disney park somewhere.
Your channel is a gem. So wholesome, so funny, so authentic.
Same theater - new Muppet show: The Muppets Take Monstropolis!!! The muppets have a lot of monsters of their own - would love to see Sully and Sweetums go on an adventure! You could have alternating times for both shows all day.
I LOVE your idea of where to move Muppet Vision 3D and I also would love to see Disney bring back the Muppet Show like they did about 10 years ago. Dave Grohl and Animal having a drum off was AWESOME! 😃
The Swedish Chef Animatronic is probably my favorite one in all of the Disney Parks, partly for thr fact that he just straight up has a gun.
My favorite animatronic of all time is Magdol in ET.
The Rockin Roller coaster Muppet overlay was a knee jerk reaction by Disney to quiet the rumbling after the M3D impending closure. Glad to see Muppets there but nothing was in the works. They are starting from scratch
They are being shortsighted by creating what they see as a crowd draw. What I think even Walt would agree on is that there needs to be longstanding generational rides that parents can’t tell their children was their favorite ride as a kid. They are in a cycle of just recycling areas for a boost in attendance and then just move on. It’s not honoring anything. I’m sure they think taking advantage of muppets IP to replace a ride that already needed retheme is honoring muppets but I think most of us know better.
The good thing about Muppet Vision was the lighthearted, silly humor.
Glad to hear you at least didn’t delete ur X/Twitter account.
Also I pretty much 100% agree with ur assessment about what to do with Muppet Vision by putting it next to rockin’ rollercoaster in a few years.
I hope it gets relocated to a different show building and it would be really nice to have a way to experience it in VR without having to go to the parks. And having it in VR would give a digital archive of the show and pre-show
Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior, so I'm betting they repurpose the Muppet animatronics in the new ride and end Muppets 3D forever. It is very unlikely that Disney will recreate the theater in either California or Sunset Showcase because that would require money that is neither budgeted nor available.
I vote to bring it back to DCA. I just saw Mickey's Philharmagic for the first time last week and would much rather have Muppets back in there. It was really sad looking up in the opera seats and seeing how empty they were. One of the corners is even partially covered.
I don’t do coasters. I hope they repurpose muppetvision somewhere else in the park.
Can we move the Rizzo fountain too?
We must save Muppet Vision 3D in its complete totalness! AND, equally, important is the continued presence, in its present form, of the Piggy Liberty Fountain! Sincerely! I'm no kidding!
And... Thank you, D! This were spectacular!
Honestly, I think Muppet vision 3-D should be at the sunset, showcase along with Muppet vision 4-D So they make a new show so old fans can see something new and young fans can see something new. It will just switch around time.
I'm the Muppet fan who's scared of roller coasters, I do not want my only way to engage with the Muppets, one of my favorite things ever, at the parks to be a ride I would just not be able to enjoy 😭
crazy disney considers short films you could easily watch at home more park worthy than jim henson's final project.
They have 2 west houses sitting ( mostly ) empty in DCA. Why not keep mickeys show and put the muppets next door? That would be wonderful! ❤
They don’t need another cars land. They have one. It’s okay not to have every IP in every park. It makes going to another park worth it. Here’s an idea, retheme Tianas Bayou Adventure to the Muppets! Since it doesn’t work anymore, it’s like they took it over!
TBH, I think that a cars land like what they're thinking about could be really cool, the issue is that they're putting it in the middle of the park. If they put it in one of those unused areas towards the margins of their property, that could be really cool.
There is no Cars Land ever coming to WDW. With Disney being broken up, say goodbye to Pixar in the Disney parks to avoid paying licensing to a once again independent Pixar. And there's no such thing as Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Splash Mountain is up and running in the US right this second.
Personally, if they don't bring over Muppet Vision 3d to the sunset threather, I propose two other Muppet alternatives:
1) An actual, interactive, live Muppet show with puppets and animatronics
2) Build the unrealized Great Muppet movie ride(two birds, one stone)
If we are willing to revive an attraction, I want alien encounters back...
I wish they could just make a muppet land! That way Muppetvision can remain at the building, the new Muppet roller coaster can still happen, and have other themed rides, restaurants, and stores! Plus they can still make Monsters Inc land, just make it at a good spot! Plus make other rides related to Hollywood!
I like Muppet Christmas Carol.
Bring Muppet*Vision 3D to the Sunset Showcase, just bring the fountain and the Kermit Statues, put a pizza cart selling Pizza Rizzo and rename the Sunset Showcase to the Jim Henson Theater and name that area with Rockin Rollercoaster and Sunset Showcase the Muppet Studios
I guess Disney likes “the Mayhem Band”!
And the new muppet’s show guest Disney TH-cam Celebrity’s!
Muppet tower of Terror, and yes Muppets 4D in that theater! Along with a new Muppets themed quick service restaurant all in that corner of Hollywood Studios.
That and holiday overlays for Halloween, Christmas and July 4th!
Let’s say the Sunset building did become a Muppets 4D, why couldn’t they just have it also be capable of playing Muppets 3D as well? A ton of “4D” theaters have multiple shows that can prepare. Like the main infrastructure is the same, you just need to invest a little extra to cover all the Muppet 3D effects that the 4D show wasn’t doing already.
You should look into Efteling newest attraction, Danse Macabre, which replaced the fan favourite Spookslot. Perfect example of how to do an attraction replacement right.
I'd kill for it to replace Phillharmagic at DCA, but I can't imagine they'd do that.
As much as the theatre takeover is a no brainier I doubt it’ll happen. I get the feeling that Disney don’t LIKE the Muppets the way we do. They seem to only use them out of obligation, ease or appeasement. They turn up at events because it’s easy to throw them into any situation, they give us a Rockin rollercoaster retheme as an easy retheme to appease fans mad about Muppetvision. We’ll have to wait and see how much effort they bother putting in to it. Animatronics, puppets, anything practical? Or just screens?
I certainly feel like Disney would like us to just forget about the muppets and wouldn’t bother with the mayhem coaster if they didn’t feel they had to. In that same vein I think they’ll look at Rockin rollercoaster and think ‘job done, fans have their obligatory muppets representation’ and call it a day. No restaurant, no show, nothing more they need to do if they can do the bare minimum.
In a perfect world I’d advocate for muppetvision taking over that show building, and even expand backwards, take over animation courtyard. Convert that area into the Muppet studios we’ve always wanted. A Swedish chef restaurant, a new Muppet gift shop. And most importantly, the Great Muppet movie ride in homage to the much missed real great movie ride.
My dream now that Sesame Street rights are on the market is that Disney reunites The Muppets, take over Sesame Place and Muppet Vision 3D can live on forever. I agree with you that they should just bring back the Muppet Show.
I like your optimal use of Sunset Studios adjacent to the roller coaster! I wonder if a good “plan B” might be putting it adjacent to Journey Into Imagination in the former home of Captain EO? Think of the life it would breathe into that area!
Sad to see Muppet Vision go. I'm thinking the "the next act" is probably just a reference to the new Muppets Rock 'n' Roller Coaster ride. Guess we'll find out someday!
It sounds like they're thinking of moving the muppets area to that end of the park instead, with the coaster retheme and all 🤷♀️
There is no way this dude said splash mountain doesn’t have a very dedicated fan base 😭
Muppets should take over Hall of Presidents and they could bring back that outside Muppets show in Liberty Square.
I can see muppet vision 3D replacing Disney and Pixar short film festival in Epcot
How fitting that I got a Tiana's Bayou Adventure ad before I watched this. Really says a lot about Disney as of late.
Merry Christmas muppets 🫡
I would love to see MuppetVision get a new building. But I would rather see some updates. For example, take a page from Star Tours and keep MuppetVision 3D but also be able to play different Muppets shows within the same space.
After you rebuild the people mover you should sponsor muppet vision
They need to bring it back to Disneyland
I don't think they're going to keep it. Re-theming RRC was great timing due to the contract with Aerosmith expiring and the Muppets was ultimately the IP that was available with an also planned new construction of the park. Disney knows that they have to keep changing things up and adding new attractions or else people won't come, especially in the day and age of social media where new things are always demanded for content and to keep visitors/viewers happy. I love the muppets, but it's grasping at straws to hope that they would even try to keep this thing. It's a 30 plus year old attraction, and contemporary Disney has no interest in keeping something around that's been open that long unless it's still getting foot traffic (which their data shows that it hasn't been getting).
love your idea of muppetvision to another park. i noticed you forgot to mention that it used to be in california adventure a long time ago! that theater is just filled with nothing all the time why couldnt they just bring the muppets back there 😢😢