These 3 Pro Tips Saved My Backhand | Table Tennis
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- Hey everyone! In this video we go over the 3 pro tips from Liam Pitchford that helped transform Dan's backhand!
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What other tips do you have for the backhand topspin?
See you in the comments!
Let us know your key tips to improve your backhand topspin 👇🏓
Using it Dan. You Saved what? Last match you did the backhand wasnt there. It lasted few matches and it was gone. I dont understand such video from you tbh.
Dan, what's your set up?
i think the last tip on not dropping bat is good for compactness, but should relax arm and do drop arm to get power, like dima or ma long
Here's a pro-tip: watch frame-by-frame what the pro actually _does,_ 4:30 , and pay no attention to their advice or an interpretation of their advice. Here we see the elbow in a fairly fixed _ready_ position for every shot. But...
Pitch is _not_ keeping his elbow forward/up in a fixed position. He addresses the incoming ball by pulling his elbow well back, tensing the upper arm muscle-tendon system for an elastic energy recoil when he snaps it/elbow forward, transmitting the kinetic energy into the forearm and wrist for maximum velocity in the blade.
All top players do this. The bigger the arm (eg. Ovtcharov), the shorter the upper-arm snap-distance. A beefy, well-trained, upper arm can get a wicked snap in just one inch of travel of the elbow, but the elbow is still going to move.
@@-danR pitchford also uses and extremely closed racket angle when he's saying to open it up a bit more. im not experienced enough to see the difference but it sure looked super closed
The best tips to improve my backhand side was given by Olympic Medal winner Ryu Seung Min. He told me to switch leg and hit with my forehand 🌚
Haha love it!
I have an addiction on checking the comments for first
Lol
Me too
Probably we are ad victims
Same
I too look for timestamps in comments first.
Here's an interesting comparison, table techniques are very similar to boxing.
The way a topspin is played from the forehand is taught almost exactly the same way, the force starts from the legs and goes all the way through the hips, then the shoulders at the same time you start moving your arm.
For backhand it is explained that for more force for example in a loop you could move the elbow a bit and start more from the side of your body and push with your left leg like as if you try to flex your left calve. For more force with short to the table topspin you can swing your arm a little bit back like a pendulum motion before performing the topspin
Not too surprising. Your legs and hips are strong, yours arms are weak. That's going to apply no matter the sport
Tip #2 doesn't make any sense after watching that slow motion clip😏
Try experiment with your bat angle you will see what we mean. You will feel different contacts.
Thank you so much. This is so great.Truly so nice of you to be be making it and sharing it. Thank you.
Was working on that today with my robot. I had pretty good form but I definitely had my racket too closed (closed it to get more spin, but lost too much control). Timely tips. Have a great week from all of us watching here in the States.
My backhand is already stronger than my forehand, my forearm is quite large.
A small tip is to try to adjust your grip in different ways for each kind of backhand shot and find the best one for you, even small adjustments can make a big difference.
Hep Zhang Jike had ajustmants.. i never use midle universal grip.. i always switch from bh to fh.. its harder but its better stroke
If pong finity is whatching this you may know wha is the master tip keep your eye on the ball
Nice
(Wrote this so Table Tennis contents show up in my recommendation )
can we get a fastarc g-1 review ;-;
+100. One of the most popular rubbers ever, I'd like to especially better understand how it compares to new gen tensor European rubbers such as Andro R48 for instance. From what I understood the G-1 is more linear, would be great to hear TTD's take on this. Envisioning to switch to G-1 for my forehand on my Nittaku Acoustic, but a bit concerned it will be feel too different from the European rubbers I'm used to play with
"I like to start with a slightly more open angle" proceeds to demonstrate in slow-mo that it's closed af lol
Great video! Thank you so mich for the content!
There's one point though. Liam is talking about an open bat angle. But at the same time in the preview at 4:28 it appears to me that he's using an extremely closed angle. Is this contradictory to what he's saying or am I just blind or don't know what open bat angle is supposed to mean? :D
bat starts open but finishes closed after his contact so at normal speed it looks very closed
I agree, his bat angle looks extremely closed, but maybe im blind :)
it could vary depending the shot: i think he uses an open angle when the ball comes with backspin, but in a top-top rally he already uses the closed angle shot
Yes, especially in slow motion, the bat seems to be at a pretty closed angle. I was taught to use the pretention of the wrist and (closed) blade to my advantage, which is why timing is pretty important. Now, Liams backhand skills speak for themselfs so who am I to argue with that. Maybe it is his perception of closed and open that differs here.
idk if I seeing this wrong, but what he does seem to be the opposite of what he says. Just looking at the video it seems he starts with racket closed and finishes with racket more open. But he says that he does vice versa.
In the slow mo Liam bh stroke is just the opposite. Starting closed and finished slightly open...😮. I like the technique of Patrick Fransziska much more.😊
Exactly. He does it like just about everybody else. He starts the motion with the blade completely closed, zero angle.
Hi Dan , really been struggling with my match play can you make a video on some tips to improve with match play o think a lot of people will benefit from tht good vids
He already did
@@cloudnyle2385 oh right
:)
U look like Nick (nick and carrie channel)
Hi Dan and Tom, very informative video guys. I am novice in TT, just wanted to know which blade should or beneficial for forehand. Coz Dan was using red and Liam prefers black. Pls revert. Thanks and keep it up.
Must watch with sound off (sleeping partner), and also, some players are deaf. Would be useful if videos had added text "right"/"wrong". First *elbow) tip clear the other two not so much. Just try watching with sound off....
This video should be called, is there any way I could put more gel in my hair
😂
Or if i had spent more time at school, i might be able to spell AMATEUR correctly.
Guys, in step 3 you're talking about using legs and body. But at the beginning of the video you play only with your hand, in the examples you also play only with your hand. Pitchford also talks about using the body, but does he only play with his hand in the examples, or does his T-shirt hide everything? Then is it important to use the body, maybe not to waste energy on it?
I have the same question. Tip 3, using your hips and body. When explained by dan and liam, i see the hips and body move. But when they actually do it in real time with ball i dont see it.
Leandro SANCHORRO
Thanks guys, really great tips for us recreational players! Learning theese moves makes playing lot more interesting. Cheers ✌️
Liam has very closed bat angle with his backhand. Why you told that it's opened angle?
Anyone from Wolverhampton want a knock
William Henzel shows this same technique it's universal....
The best tip i ever got was from Jan Ove Waldner - he told me “give up, you’re crap”
Lovely, thanks for sharing
9:45 - Switch hands, Timo Boll style.
I'm just learning table tennis recently, can anyone explain what did they mean with "open/closed" bat angle mentioned in point #2? Does open mean the bat is perpendicular to the surface of the table (i.e the person standing directly in front of you can see the whole bat)? Kind of confusing since from my POV, Liam's bat is pretty much facing the floor when doing the backhand stroke ...
Liam’s bat is more diagonal over the ball rather than being completely horizontal. It’s not completely open but more open than what many people do.
I'm playing ping pong in vr, but I'm thinking real life is gonna be helpful lool
How can i get the video on flash drive
Outstanding tips and very clear explanation! Thanks a lot! Please, go on )!.
How am I the only one that realised Tom has a Stiga Cybershape blade 3:58
Please 🙏 I’m needing the translation to Arabic on screen
Can you use that same technic against a long (back spin) push?
it's pretty much the same except without the whipping part, you just keep your racquet open similar to how you counterloop using FH
Thanks guys! Really good points
Tom has that iPhone hairstyle
Haha iPhone hair style? 😅
Would you say it's almost like popping a towel?
I have been extremely bad with my backhand. This one tutorial video has chaned everything for me.
3:03 Kreanga disagrees 😅
jk, he is another level.
Elbow give speed+spin, wrist-spin. If you play fast blade you need improve wrists movements.
Just come across this now. If you want to see perfect execution of the backhand through the whole match, watch the GOA match between Lin ShiDong vs Felix Lebrun. Lin's game was just insane, and Lebrun's game was very high quality until this match. He just didnt get a chance becoz Lin was in god mode. Link to the game here: th-cam.com/video/vRQtcyqdVVU/w-d-xo.html
I wish this kind of tips were available like 20 years ago, or that my coach at that time knew this. Or at least 2 years ago when I started changing my bh to something more appropriate. It would safe me lots of time. Nowadays, unfortunately, I don't need them anymore and I'm a little bit jealous to those who can learn by watching this video. Great video, keep up this kind of level of videos and tips!
Hey Sergey it's funny you say this because I was recently talking to a friend about this. When I was younger I only had access to 1 VHS video of some table tennis matches. I had zero coaching videos or anything. I wish I had the TH-cam library of videos when I was younger to learn from... oh and tabletennisdailyacademy.com 😁
Keep going! Glad you're loving the game and thanks for commenting 🔥
One can clearly see the difference in skill level worldwide, which is based on that exact thing.
When you watch for example Jürgen Rosskopf the german national coach in his old matches, it looks extremely slow compaired to nowadays.
The skill-level has skyrocketet in the last couple of years
It's amazing backhand improvement occurs to the accompaniment of heavy techno music.
relax your wrist, use your wrist like an horsewhipp - wave movement like throwing frisbee and keep the racket head not vertical
I slowed it down to .25 speed,,. I hear his words, but at this speed you can see he still starts with the backhand angel totally closed before the start of the stroke. Just slow it down...and watch what really is happening. His bat is not just closed, it's over close before the stroke starts.
Im just missing something. With front hand i can see the ball and hit perfectly. But with backhand I always miss the ball or hit to the net. Its just not working
Can anyone recommend me good rubber for backhand?
(Im intermediate player)
yasaka mark V
I think keeping elbow up is a good option when you do flip on short or even half long balls.
But for long balls I prefer to keep "wrist up" and the elbows down and compensate lower trajectory balls with my body down . Wrist up and elbow down position gives more power and even more control(not tossing the ball high) to play faster rallies in either situation:
1. prefer block style
2. prefer counter topspin
Hope I could explain my point.
Edit: Got your video guys to validate my words
th-cam.com/video/BCn4hbo60tQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TableTennisDaily
I suppose what you said you do for longer balls - is there in the masterclass 😁
Hmmm, Liam says he likes to start with his bat open when he prepares for a backhand shot but in very slow motion that is not what he does, he bat is very closed. Also in very slow motion when he actually makes contact with the ball his bat is pretty open. Physics does not allow a player to hit the ball with a very closed bat and nor does it allow to hit the ball on the top. Closing the bat before and after contact gives the illusion that the ball is hit with a very closed flat but in reality that cannot be the case.
Liam also said he turns his upper body to create more speed and spin when hitting a backhand but then he didn't actually do that. Even the very best do things differently to what they think they are doing.
Despite the above, it is what you do, not what you say you that counts and I would love to be able to play like Liam.
Hello, do you know about classic 08 dhs? I've been trying to search its ORIG price need help
He said that he likes to start his backhand with a more open face and then to close it as he strokes over the top of the ball. If you slow the video down, it is clear that he actually begins with the face very closed and then gradually opens it.
Excellent thanks. Will try to implement them this evening and change 40 years of bad habits🤣
Haha love it Tony! Even small changes to your current technique will make a big difference through repetition and practice 💪
@@TableTennisDaily You wouldn't believe it but my backhand was actually better and I won nearly all the points with backhand topspins! Now, I need tp work on my forehand 😂😂
it seems that most of your videos are geared towards people that are really pretty good at table tennis allready. people that are learning table tennis are using gear that are slower and I think the backhand will need to be executed differently for them
On my bh game I buy tibhar k3 hybrid, it’s amazing :) on fh stay on Tibhar mx-p classic )
Hey Dan, can you review the Butterfly balsa carbo x5 blade in one of your next videos. Its a carbon blade from Butterfly and it only costs 50 euros. I just bought it and i like it very much so i wonder what yall think about it.
Riskiest shot in table tennis history. A deadly weapon when the ball goes on and should only be used extensively for the very elite player. Liam continued with this shot in the final of the Mens singles final at the recent commonwealth games while his opponent used his experience and just played a steady balanced game. Continually trying to hit winners with his backhand cost him the gold medal. That extreme closed angle he uses only gives him a very fine margin for error. What Liam said about having the bat more open increases your chances of actually hitting the table on your opponents side and is highly recommended. Liam, follow your own advice and open up that angle.
Like hitting the ball with the edge of the racket?
i'm better at backhand shots but i wonder... i dont see the table under my raquet when aiming... is it a problem ? is it normal ?
you look very tensed Dan... try to relax dont think or worry about form. trust that you practiced enough and youre ready to play anyone and everyone.
Elbow placement is AandO. Keeping the racket open is keen when you have a nice touch with your backhand
do you touch the 2oclock of the ball?
Am I the only one who spotted the typo in the thumbnail?
Is Tom playing with cybershape blade
Is this shot for the topspin ball or the backspin ball or for both
Regards Sharad
I do tips 1 and 2 already, but I don’t have trouble getting mine over the net because I do a hybrid motion of loop and drive on my backhand
Also a good quality of blade and rubbers are must to generate the powerful shots
Salam from dagestan
dead backhand hands up 😅
Video starts at 1:00.
The Eleven Table Tennis game that is sponsored on his shirt is the reason I am into Table Tennis now. That being said, I just tried the first tip in VR and seen improvements IMMIDIATETLY!
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Good video, but horribly loud music.
Ok
Great video as usual! I need to film my spinny backhand which goes off to my left finding the corner, it's probably a handy mistake of mine! ✌️🏓
So good. Thank you guys.
Very useful tips guys. Thank you very much
What a god tier thumbnail 🤣
can you do a review on the waldner senso carbon?
Are ttdsl season 2 vids going to come out?
could you do this for the forehand loop/topspin?
Tom…no more hybrid wood?
Nope not for a while now, been using Cybershape for the last 6 months or so 🏓👍
@@tommaynard8101 How does it play? Who would you recommend it to?
@@tommaynard8101
Can‘t wait to see you ripping that bh next TTDSL Season
Thanks so much for the video. Learnt so much from this!
Yes i like thankyou 💪💪
I was taught when a teenager by an English International Tennis player to open up the face of the backhand stroke; ie to place the thumb on the rear of the grip with the wrist behind also. When I took up Table Tennis some 35 years later I found myself doing the same thing with my backhand. The slight change in grip meant I could get the blade more easily underneath the ball ready to roll the bat over with the wrist and produce strong topspin on even very low bouncing balls.
Yes, I also do the same provides better support
Very useful tips. Thanks
thanks so much.
Fantastic video. Excellent tips.
Could you pls review the dna dragongrip?
Yeah we're going to do a hybrid rubber comparison review soon 💪
Great video as usual, can you also do a video about the contact point and timing.
Thanks dan! Very helpful 👍👍
Hi Dan, at the end part of the video, you said not to go under the table which might hamper the consistency of backhand topspin. I am wondering how to backhand topspin against very low heavy backspin without taking your wrist under the table. Can u make a video on doing backhand topspin against heavy and low backspin using this pro techniques?
It depends on what kind of topspin you want to play (arc, amount of spin aso) and the so called individual technique a player is used to (deviating from the biomechanical ideal technique). That said, instead of lowering your forearm and / or the bat, you need to go into a deeper stance. To overcome the backspin, acceleration towards the point of ball impact is very important. For a regular topspin, the stroke describes a line / plane from bottom-back to top-front. With heavy backspin, the angle of that plane becomes steeper.
@@daedalus5483 well explained. Thanks. That's my understanding too.Anyway, still will wait for the video.
What is that thumbnail 😂
Thank you
Thanks guys
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Hi second comment
Thx for the video
Very good training.
Thanks guys.