Bert Randolph Sugar and Bill Cayton Discuss, Who is the greatest pound 4 pound??
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- Bert Randolph Sugar (Boxing writer, sports historian)
Bill Cayton is boxing promoter. He helped to manage Mike Tyson early in his career, and acted as a film historian and International Boxing Hall of Fame in 2005
It's a shame that this video is not more popular. Beautiful video.
Love Bert Sugar, a true expert and a part of the best era in boxing history. He didn't just look at records but knew all the stories, amazing
Bert's untidy office always cracks me up.
Why do they never do boxing shorts or documentaries like this anymore? This is why I love this era of boxing
Harry Greb, Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Benny Leonard, Sam Langford, Joe Gans…in no particular order or none better than the other….If you choose 1 of these gentlemen, I can’t disagree
sam langford...since u won't disagree...
You are probably right, Harry greb, probably, the best pound for pound, and ray Robinson, too, and the rest of that list too
Harry greb was a middleweight, and could beat heavyweights, the only one to beat gene Tunney,
@@hemadayal7815 I second that vote .
Harry Greb had the best resume. He fought more Hall of Famers than anyone in history.
Ali's style was maybe wrong for others but it was absolutly right for him. There is no wrong and right here. There is what works for you and what doesn't. If his style was wrong he wouldn't be so successful. Ali of the 60ies was as close to a perfect boxer we will ever see. You can't hit him yet he would ko you. And he did it while dancing.
100% agree
I'll give Willie pep credit where it's due. He was the only man in the history of boxing to win a round in a fight throwing zero punches.
So Sugar said ,but he's given to telling tall tales and mythology
I don’t think that actually happened, BRS was prone to Tall Tales
Willie pep was 62 or 63-0 before he lost his first fight, good pick
I got Harry Greb at #1 P4P.
A wonderful video! Thank you for posting!
What an amazing film.
Fullmer punch incredible the King of Pound for Pound! He was old when he lost all those bouts! Ali said he was the best ever that’s good enough for me
Great persons joined togeher to make a world class champion.
I believe the documentary makes one big mistake. they claim that Henry Armstrong died in 1977 if I am correct. But his biography says 1988. Also he was present at the 1982 Pryor Arguello fight when Arguello was going to try to win the Jr. Welterweight title, which would have been the forth.
A top selection!!
Love this!
Henry Armstrong died in 1988, not 1977.
2 RAW 4 TV I thought ray Robinson died in the 80s
@@roberttheapostle489 Ray Robinson died in April 1989, but the video gave the year of death for Henry Armstrong as 1977. He passed in 1988.
2 RAW 4 TV oh ok right
Great video.
Mike Tyson in his prime is still the only heavyweight to be considered p4p best!
ray robinson gets my vote...
Shame they didn't talk about the Murderers'Row Fighters.
sugar ray robinson hands down
Had to fast forward the Black face part.
in the Square Ring Sam Langford was Boxing's Ultimate Fighting Machine...
As a life-long boxing historian, my top boxer list of all time will likely fluctuate and change 'a little' over time as I review and 're-review' boxers and footage and video.
My CURRENT list of the top several boxers of all time is:
1. Sugar Ray Robinson (perfect fighter; no weaknesses, awesome fury, skill, energy -- awesome power, hand speed, footwork and chin -- I believe was never KOed)
2. Muhammad Ali (most skilled and flamboyant heavyweight ever; much of his style imitated from Sugar Ray Robinson, awesome hand speed, defense, footwork, and chin)
3. Harry Greb (incredibly tough S.O.B. -- awesome fighting record -- uber fearless)
5. Willie Pep (based on testimony and footage I've seen, best 'pure boxer' and best 'defensive boxer' I've ever seen, but lacked power in his hands)
I don't really know who to put at #4 since there are so many great boxers especially from the past. I wouldn't include any MODERN boxers in my top 5 or probably even top 10 list -including Pacquiao or Mayweather -- both of whom I would likely rank just outside the top 10 somewhere...
Wheres no4 lol
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Liston was an old man suffering from bursitis which usually effect’s men in their forties I know because my dad had it we don’t know how old he was.! Still he knocked The Big Cat out cold Ali used speed to stop the Big Cat and couldn’t knock him out cold only after the Cat had recovered from many shots to his stomach from a police man’s pistol.Anyway Great documentary!! 🎯🎯🎯👍🏼🧐😊🥊😊
Ali had bursitis in both hands ,Liston didn't, he continued dropping guys for 6 years after Ali
Sugar Ray only man I have seen knocking someone out whilst moving backwards incredible timing on the punch at his peak lost 1 of 97 fights beat like 10 ex world Champions & Jake Lamotta 6 times would not fight for the mob so it cost him years of not getting a World Tile Challenge
It's Greb, np question. Really not even close.
Theses are just fantasy titles. No one can ever know who the greatest of all time is. Every champion was best in his time. People just like to think over these things a lot.
I disagree with bert sugars list sam Langford needs to be on the list
Amazing documentary/film. Me personally ali is no1 of course but sugar ray robinson is p4p no1
Think Tyson said it all Ali the was the greatest of all time
With Benny Leonard they don’t mention that he fought a series of bouts with Freddie Welsh and only won the last where he won the title off him. Freddie Welsh doesn’t get any of the credit he deserves same as Jim Driscoll, like that Burt puts Dempsey up highly, I would agree I’d say Jimmy Wilde was pound for pound greatest though.
Are we talking activism or fighting
Are we talking activism or fighting when it comes to ali, in shape he was good
no jimmy wilde no benny lynch my left bollock knows more about boxing than bert sugar
Sugar Ray Robinson. P4P. If Ray fought greb, He'll out point greb. Too much skill and better footwork.
You're nuts!!!! Greb beats anyone!!! No way does Ray go up and beat heavyweights! Yet Hreb did and beat the best!!! Greb easily wins
@@blakegallimore5173 greb ain't beating marvelous marvin hagler either.
@@blakegallimore5173 yes greb is greater than robinson, greb is the "greatest" fighter ever and it's not even close. but that doesn't make him the "best" fighter. greb gets outpointed by robinson no doubt in my mind
Did you ever see greb fight, it prob, would of been a good one, ray was the best welterweight but greb was the best middleweight, greb would fight anyone anywhere
Greb was to fast for hagler and he was tough as hell, to many angles, the great old timers swarmed and were hungry and vicious, greb only had one eye and still beat the shit out of them
So this was after Jacobs died and Cayton purchased his library of fights. They only go over 3 fighters here and for me, it's Robinson easily.
Films of Robinson in his WW prime do not exist. Bill Cayton and Jimmy Jacobs owned the films together. They had a TV program in the 1950’s showing the fights.
Ali fought NOTHING like Robinson so these experts are wrong. Ali almost never threw a body punch. Robinson did not back away from punches he moved inside the left hook so he could counter with a right hand left hook. That’s how he knocked out Bobo Olson. Robinson was a boxer puncher. Ali since he did not have conventional boxing skill was a “ catcher “. He was ALWAYS susceptible to the left hook. I agree with Teddy Brenner
“ Ali couldn’t box and he couldn’t punch but he sure could fight “. His iron jaw and iron will made him great HW.
The comparison to Robinson is completely invalid and anyone who really knows boxing should know that.
My list, just ranking the best heavyweights:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Sonny Liston
3. Joe Louis
4. Ezzard Charles
5. George Foreman
The rock would whip them all, sorry, here we go again, I'm tired of explaining it, please don't respond , the original rock, the Brockton blockbuster, Rocco marchegiano, when it comes to heavyweights, size don't matter if your good
@@mikemilliken3596 Dwayne Johnson?
@@Pedro_Le_Chef rocky Marciano, the original rock, aka, the Brockton blockbuster
@@mikemilliken3596 He barely beat out of prime ezzard Charles. How exactly would he beat Joe Louis or Ali?
You ranked ezzard Charles and Joe Louis above Marciano, you know he k.o.d both of them right, Louis was over the hill but would,nt be able to handle rocco,s pressure even in his prime, and ezzard Charles was 33 and Rocco was 30 and Charles was talking all kinds of shit about how he was gonna destroy Rocco, what happened, Rocco destroyed him
If it ain't Muhammad Ali it's Sam Langford
It's Sugar Ray Robinson by a country mile.
Ali claimed he was the greatest, but I disagree, he was great no doubt and people forget ali was not a natural heavyweight. He started at light heavy. As for Langford I agree with you, his small stature and knocking out guys much bigger! I have to point out I wonder if Joe Frazier had 100% eyesight how much better would he have been?
Duran should have never beaten Buchanan…garbage call and there’s a reason he never took the rematch
I agree
Did you see the fight, Duran did hit him low, and I don't know how the ref didn't,t see it, but starting from the first round Duran landed hard power punches and Buchanan threw a lot of jabs, most of them Duran slipped, ken never really landed any power punches that I saw but he was a real good boxer, Duran was well ahead, Buchanan started doing better but Duran looked to be in complete control and he backed ken up the whole fight, it sure looked like a deliberate low blow , and the ref should of gave him time to recover, how he didn't,t see it is a mystery, I think it was after the bell too
@@mikemilliken3596Ken hit Duran right after the bell so Duran was returning the favor. He appeared to be throwing an uppercut to the body but the ref pulled his arm mid punch and it landed low. I truly believe the ref didn't see it. It was a strange ending but Duran was way ahead on points at the time. Ken needed a knockout to win and that was not going to happen. Duran would have continued to batter him the final two rounds and won a lopsided decision.
Ali the greatest of all time,Larry holmes, Goerge foreman etc said Ali wz bigger than boxing
Any journeyman heavyweight can beat a lightweight or welterweight I STRONGLY disagree gervonta is known to crack heavyweight in sparring
The greatest boxers are not from USA but Mexico Julio Cesar Chavez is the greatest of greats and Manny Pac-Man
I do like the guys you mentioned because they always came to fight, don't forget the Brockton blockbuster who always came to fight, I do like the Mexican fighters, they don't dance or hold, they come to fight
Salvador Sanchez was a great boxer, who also k.o.d the best fighters in his era, and would be great in any era
Thats just baised.
Rocky Marciano 49-0