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Burt Sugar has looked 70 yrs old for 3 decades.
Don’t disrespect the late great Burt Sugar! with your moronic comments.
😂 comical, because it true.👍
Ha ha your right
Well he is a historian and a cigar smoker lol
Burt died yesterday ago
Bert's Magazine Fight Game was pretty good. I used to like it more than Ring magazine.
He is right. Louis is the Greatest of All Time and unfairly underrated in recent times.
I wouldn't say he's underrated, I'm not denying his greatness but I agree with the fella talking to Bert Sugar that I can't see him laying a glove on Ali, certainly not the Ali of 66
@@IWannatalkpodcast Louis had those qualities that Norton had to trouble Ali. That being a fast jab, great handspeed, ring cutting abilities, parrying the jab and attacking the body.
Except Louis was even better than Kenny.
Louis fought fast boxers 8 times, and 8 times he won.
I think he gives Ali a much tougher fight than you think, and he even outpoints him.
@@IWannatalkpodcast you not being able to imagine something doesn't mean anything
Yeah well im telling you all , ALI WAS THE GREATEST CHAMPION OUT OF SLL OF EM INCLUDING NORTON @@Pedro_Le_Chef
@@RickHorejsiAli being known as "the greatest" has hardly anything to do with his standing all-time as a boxer. Maybe as a heavyweight champ, yes maybe. He was am ambassador and became almost a statesman. I mean, the whole "who's the greatest" always means in terms of THEIR ERA. NOBODY will EVER come close to being champion for 12 YEARS and/or rack up 25 defenses of the title. Ali's charisma is the only reason some people put him ahead of Louis. I think Tyson, Frazier, and possibly even Holmes gives him all the trouble he can stand in a dream matchup. Ray Robinson at his apex, at Welterweight, with like an 82-0 (68kos) record was the most untouchable fighter in history.
Gene Tunney beat Dempsey 2 out of 2 ....and like Marciano, was undefeated as a heavyweight. He has to be in any Top Ten near the top.
Good point
I don't think so - - remember - - Gene Tunney and Jack Dempsey as white Heavyweight Champions enjoyed a "color line" meaning they could avoid black challengers - - Marciano couldn't - - for that reason Dempsey and Tunney couldn't be considered all-time greats.
@@danbernardi6599 Do you really think that Dempsey & Tunney were afraid to fight black contenders ? If those times made it either unprofitable or socially unwise for white heavyweight champions to fight black contenders, that does not detract from our ability to judge their place in the pantheon of greats. Their ability is the criteria, not their motives in choosing opponents.
@@Baskerville22 Doesn't matter what their motives were - - point is they never fought the leading black contenders of their day so we don't know if they could have beat them - - so their place among the great heavyweights would be in question
@@danbernardi6599 Tell me the names of these "black contenders" who could have derailed the white champs of the past
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3.lennox lewis
4. Riddick bowe
5. Evander holyfield
6. mike tyson
7. Larry Holmes
8. Rocky Marciano
9. George Foreman
10.joe Frazier
Dont Judge Joe Louis on the videotape alone, because the video is shot at a slower frame rate than what we have used since the 1980s, thus making him appear far slower, far more plodding than he actually was. The difference is similar and comparable to wathing a film in standard definition vs watching a film in 4K.
Sugar is right here -- the criteria is NOT who would win #1 versus #2-- its in THEIR OWN ERA -- in the history of ALL boxing who was the very best ......
Met Bert Sugar in the Bronx
Live in Kingston and never met Bian Kenney
The Tyson that rolled over Berbick and Spinks would ko Dempsey. A young Mike had too much hand speed, and was as ferocious as Jack. Look at the film, Jack's defence is not one of his strong suits. No real jab to speak of either.
The greatest fight i have ever seen was the rumble in the jungle between two of the best heavyweights in the world number one ali and number two foreman.
Ali the greatest of all time
Think he's right putting Dempsey in the top three but I don't rank Ali like most, my top 3 would be the same with Louis 3rd and Dempsy second with Jack Johnson as1st. Nobody even came close to winning a round against him in the films of him. Also all the great black fighters he beat, Ray Arcel gave Dempsey above Ali and Louis too and he seen them all in person
I always felt that "greatness" is a combination of things, who you beat, how do you beat them, are the odds against you? Adversity in and outside of the ring and then things like cultural impact are a bonus.
Ali was not the best boxer ever, he was unorthodox and his style had many technical flaws, he didn't always prepare for fights properly (especially late career) etc.
He beat arguably 3 top 10 all time heavyweights (Frazier, Foreman, Liston) in addition to beating other legends like Patterson and Norton. On top of this he had to come back from losing positions and go into fights in which he was given no chance to win (Liston and Foreman) and won in spectacular style.
I remember seeing a documentary of a boxer when I was little and in it, there was a scene with a boxer shadow boxing but you couldn't see him as it was dark and you could only see his shadow. The way that boxer moved left an impression on someone that had never even seen boxing before. Ali is basically the final boss of anything boxing in video game terms and his cultural impact is absolutely enormous.
If we are talking best heavyweights ever then the list will be quite different and Ali will be somewhere in top5. I also resist the idea of putting boxers that boxed 100 years ago at #1 due to lack of footage and documentation
@@casualxxgamerxx9662 excellent point!
Where would you rate Marvin Hart?
@@TheKingOfHipHop had to google him, knew the name but forgot what division he was from,ha that’s a good one. Legends of Boxings TH-cam channel has a link for a good Discord channel where a lot of us old school of boxings fans go on and in the comments section or if you ask he’ll send you a link. It’s good everyone shares their memorabilia and talk about upcoming fights. It’s a good laugh you should join
Love that Chuvalo guy. Very sympathetic
I’ve got a dvd and a book on this
1 Ali
2 Louis
3 Holmes
4 Lewis
5 Foreman
6 Marciano
7 Frazier
8 Holyfield
9 Jack Dempsey
10 Sam Langford
The late Burt Sugar was an old-timer who grew up in the Joe Louis era so he was already set in his ways. Holmes and Chuvalo was dead on when saying Ali would've won against a one-step-at-a-time Joe Louis . Louis would kill you flat-footed but a mover he had problems with. Even though Conn and Walcott were movers and gave problems to Louis. They didn't move like a prime Ali did and they weren't as fast as Ali was.
Louis had dynamite in both hands though. I agree Ali has a slight edge but Louis was probably the greatest puncher of all time. He would always have a good chance.
@@66smithrano way he hit harder than foreman, liston or shavers. Louis fought smaller fighters. Ali fought a way better variety of fighters than Joe.
@@ModinikiLuli-m5n ring magazine has Joe Louis #1 all time in punching power. Shavers is 10. Foreman 9. I think you are vastly underestimating Joe Louis. You should watch some of his fights. Ali level skill plus huge power that Ali never had.
@@66smithra power isn't everything dummy. Bert sugar said himself earnie shavers is the hardest hitter. So that just defeats your argument. Once again joe fought smaller opposition. Ali didn't. End off. Joe louis had a suspect chin too.
Burt Sugar was slipping into deep dementia. No w ay Tunney and Dempsey should be placed over Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis or Joe Frazier. Burt Sugar just wanted to place some white guys ahead of Larry. I know Larry felt like smacking the crap out of Burt but held back.
No. 1 Sonny Liston!
Burt sugar is a great analyst but I’m a take the words from the guys who actually box the boxer and they say, Ali in his prime will beat Joe Louis
He'd beat anybody in his prime (1960's)
Well the boxers also have a bias, especially Holmes, who while clearly suffering from Dementia Pugilistica here and while obviously not sharp enough to pop a balloon, is of course going to say Ali because he beat Ali in his mind, and well, yeah.
@@James-mz7tv He was a fan as well and a sparring partner He knows what Ali is capable of and as a child watching him like everyone else seeing Ali at his untouchable, unstoppable best
Bert reveres traditional boxing too much to appreciate Ali as the greatest. Ali changed boxing by doing things the way he shouldn't have as a boxer . No traditionalist will appreciate that. I feel his pain.
Lots of historians put Joe Louis at #1...
@@beatlejim64 yeah...many more put sugar ray as pound for pound and Ali as best heavy weight
Both are great. It’s close. It’s a matter of opinion. You’re acting like it’s some sort of indisputable fact that Ali is #1. Louis was an institution but he was from an era before cable news and TV.
Joe Louis did have trouble with smaller fighters. Joe Louis is still the greatest and I think he would have beaten Muhammad Ali
Number one Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis he had an easy era where the only black men he faced gave him problems, Walcott and Charles who took the lineal title from him, he also lost twice by the count of 10, Ali never lost by ten account and faced, perhaps, the best heavyweights such as Sonny Liston, George Foreman and Joe Frazier, among other very good ones such as Patterson, Ron Lyle, Ernie Shavers, Jerry Quarry, Oscar Bonavena, Jimmy Young, etc
Just put Ali in Louis Era abd put Joe Louis in Ali's Era
I think Dempsey should be remembered greater than he is, bigger than Tyson was. In a lot of the computer games out now Dempsey is always an average heavyweight when for a vicious knockout boxer was extremely good on his footwork and his defence was underrated. Think it’s between him and Jack Johnson as being the greatest. Ali was great as was Louis but Ali was vulnerable to the left hook and had no infighting ability at all. That’s why I don’t believe he’d have beaten Dempsey if Frazier beat him in the first fight and was so close in their 3rd. Joe Louis chin let him down and his footwork wasn’t as good either.
Well conversely Dempsey couldn't beat Tunney in 2 fights and Tunney fought similarly like Ali.....🤷
@@dreman1970 that was an old Dempsey after a 3 year break and wasn’t the same as he was in his prime. Ali lost to Norton as well and to give an example of his vulnerability to left hookers look at Henry Cooper. Ali was great but Ray Arcel who seen them both believed Dempsey would have been too good for him too. Saying about the Tunney fights is like saying Ali lost to Spinks. If they fought in Dempseys time with the gloves and him being aloud to stand over his man id have to think that the prime Dempsey would win, also Jack Johnson I believe would have won because he beat Langford, McVey and every other great black fighter and was never really shown to have been struggling with a fighter he was so good. Everyone has their own opinion though
@@chriso1585 lmaooooo u don't know shit about boxing nd gotta feeling that u hating on ali on the low but ill tell this ain't nobody beating prime Ali
Bigger in what way? If we are talking weight Dempsey was 85kg and Tyson was 100kg...
Louis would destroy Dempsey though. He was much more well rounded and his footwork was immaculate for setting up his devestating punches.
His chin was pretty good. He held the heavyweight title longer than anybody ever and no one knocked him out during his title reign. That's a lot of years and title defenses for someone with a weak chin to not get knocked out.
Bert was given too telling hyperbolic tall tales , no evidence that Willard had a broken jaw there was no mention of it in the papers of the day, In fact he was talking to the press the day after, but still great to listen too
You gotta be kidding me , the quality of opponents Louis had compared to ALI WHAT A JOKE😂😂😂 billy conn wouldn't of lasted 4 rounds with Ali or larry holmes for that matter
When comparing boxers across history you can only judge fighters within their own era. Dempsey and Louis were great fighters but in their prime would be comfortably beaten by a Lennox Lewis especially when you factor in the incremental increase in size of heavyweights over the decades. Marciano in his pomp, for example, was fighting at 190lbs.
Dempsey , Tunney and Marciano ahead of Holmes? What a crap list of top ten . Larry had more defenses than Dempsey Tunney and Marciano combined. Dempsey and Tunney publicly drew color line. Wouldn't fight Godfrey , but was willing to fight an old Wills.Dempsey ducked a bunch of Negro Division fighters. Big Tate, Harry Wills among others This list is a slap in the face to all the great Negro Division fighters that never got the chance at World Title because of Jim Crow. It would take an old white man to list Dempsey and Tunney and Marciano over Larry. Just a terrible top ten list. Where the hell is Lennox. My top list goes like this. 1.Ali 2.Louis 3.Holmes. 4. Lennox 5. Big George 6.Frazier 7. Holy 8. Tyson 9. Bowe 10.Patterson.
People forget about how good Bowe was
I wouldn't have Patterson on that list , as I believe there was plenty of top fighters who would of beaten him.
He was amazing in his time thougg
@@marleywills2160 youngest champ ever at the time and first 2 time world champ. He was a blown up middle that fought bigger opponents mostly.. He was out weighed in most if not all of his biggest fights. I forgot to put Jack Johnson in there. Johnson. I would replace Patterson with Johnson But Patterson definitely top 15.
@@louis-i5f he wasn't thee greatest. A gent and a master at his craft though. Same with Joe Louis. He was rated as being the greatest. If he went against monsters like Liston or Foreman his chin wouldn't take it.
Also he was knocked out. Ali wasn't. Ali would beat him. I do however believe Joe was the greatest precise puncher there was and great man let down by a nation We've not seen a perfect puncher since. But greatest against all....no.
Patterson also was one of the great fighters. Extremely Fast hands, peekaboo style that proved very effective . No where near as strong. With a great heart, speed, but over powered by bigger, more
durable fighters.
In his time Louiss was a great fighter. Fast hands, precise puncher, decent chin (not granite) heart, amazing power. He had beautiful punches that I've never seen from anybody. Amazing man, non stop Title defenses but he's been knocked out , stopped. Ali hasn't. I can't count the Holmes fight. He was very sick then unfortunately
Bert is just way off on Ali v. Louis. And he is kind of a jerk with George and Larry - he is condescending to two men whose opinions he should not only respect, he should revere.
Name one opinion Larry Holmes has ever expressed that wasn’t total garbage.
My Top Dozen, in no particular order : Jim Jeffreys, Jack Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Marciano, Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Larry Holmes.
I didn't include the Klitschkos or Fury because I am just unable to judge them, not because I thought they didn't deserve consideration.
Tyson doesn’t belong in that group and Holyfield does. Frazier does too.
@@66smithra Why doesn't Tyson belong.? He had 10 defenses, dempsey only had 5 defenses, He drew the color line also.So if anyone doesn't belong its Dempsey.Tunney drew color line and only had 2 defenses of world title. He belongs? LOL.Marciano only had 6 defenses against small old men that moved up in weight..Jeffries drew color line and vowed never to fight a negro fighter until he was forced to under public pressure to answer the call for the great white dope, Johnson should stay because he defended colored title 21 times against the toughest fighters of his era,. Plus he captured the World title defending that 6 times, Jack Johnson could of fought for title as early has 1903. Jeffries drew color line on Johnson. Jack made him pay for it in the end,. Wlad Klitchko was a great champion so was Vitali.. Fury hasn't finished his career yet. But his legacy took a beating in Francis fight. 0-0 MMA fighter gave him all he could handle and to many beat Fury.
@@louis-i5f No. Tyson's career is very weak compared to the all time greats. He never beat a great heavyweight, never came from behind to win a fight, never avenged a loss, was knocked out by a bum at the age of 23, etc. Yeah he gets credit for being the youngest champ, but the heavyweight division was dead in the mid 80s. By the 90s, he was dominated by the greats of his era like Holyfield and Lewis.
@@66smithra I don't agree. Tony Tucker 6'4 was a very good fighter. Unbeaten when Mike beat him. Tyson was only 5'10 and the youngest champ ever. Most of his opponents towered over him. Average height of Tyson opponents was 6'4 240. Even Buster Douglas was nearly 6'4 235. Bone Crusher 6;5 235, Berbick 6'3 235, Lewis 6'6 250, Pinky Thomas 6'3 230, Carl the Truth 6'5. Tyson was a small heavy that beat huge fighters. Notice I didn't list Holmes. I don't give Mike full credit for t hat win. Yet Dempsey fans give him full credit for beating 6'5 250 Willard. But Jess was 39 years old for Dempsey.
@@66smithra sorry but no eras were more dead than Marciano , Dempsey and Tunney eras. Marciano defended title only 6times against mostly blown up welter and middles. He fought mostly old men in twilight of careers. And gets full credit for doing so. He never once defended title against a peak 200 plus young lion. He defended title against 39 year old shot Walcott.. That was his best win in title fight. Wouldn't fight Patterson. Dempsey flat out denied fighting black fighters. So did Tunney. and Jeffries. Can't put them above Iron Mike. Not happening. The night Buster Douglas beat Mike he would of destroyed Marciano, Tunney or Dempsey. These guys are overrated and fought watered down competition.
Joe Louis is the Goat!!!!
All sports have evolved, none as much as basketball, but boxing has too, honestly i don't know why guys back then took so long to figure it out, dempsey and those guys were tough as nails but their technique wouldn't hold up today.
tyson , lennox , bowe and hollyfield should be in there somewhere
I agree with Holmes and Chuvalo, Ali would have beaten Joe Louis! Bert Sugar had too much ego to be objective! No one, including Lewis, was the monster that Liston or Foreman were. Ali would have handled Joe Louis easier than he handled Liston and Foreman!
Ali #1 and Louis #2 or Louis #1 and Ali #2 take you pick. my pick is Ali
Mine too. I just don't think Louis gets near the Ali of 66
It wasn’t a 66 Ali but if Norton can give even an early 70’s Ali that much trouble Louis is in that fight all the way. Not sure who would win but Ali staying clear for 15 rounds would be tougher than a lot of people imagine. Close fight.
Louis 2
I’ll take Louis. It’s not a big if he catches Ali, it more a just question of when, and when he does, I don’t have to say what would have followed. Greatest finisher in history, no debate with that.
I really. really doubt that Dempsey's left hook was better than Joe Frazier's left hook as Bert Sugar says in this segment. Joe Frazier knocked Ali down with one left hook in 1971 - - I doubt Jack Dempsey could have ever done that !!
Then you should do a lot of research and reading because lots of historians say that Dempsey had the best left hook ever!
@@beatlejim64 I don't think so - - if Dempsey's left hook was that good he would have knocked out Gene Tunney but Tunney got back up and survived the Long Count - - Dempsey couldn't get the job done.
Frazier was great but his career was short
@@danbernardi6599 Dempsey was way past it when he fought the great Tunney. I suggest you read a bio and Dempsey. I suggest
Flame of Pure Fire by Roger Kahn or the new 3 part bio by Adam Pollock.
It’s important to know what you are talking about when you comment
And Ali had no defense against the left hook. None… especially when he lost his speed and became a punching bag and survived with his iron chin and enormous heart and strength of character. In total Ali was not a “ boxer” he was a tremendous fighter.
@@Thelategreatjohnnybratton Oh like you know what you're talking about - - I actually saw Ali fight Ken Norton in 1976 - - at that advanced age he could still slip punches - - Norton had a very tight left hook that was hard to slip - - Dempsey's left hook had a wide arc and was usually thrown from a yard away - - as a result Dempsey would have had a hard time landing on Ali - - YOU should watch the video showing Ali's discussion with Cus D'Amato - - he explains why Dempsey would lose to Ali and learn something
Muhammad ali the greatest of all time
In 2023, this list has to be revamped. You've got to have Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield on a top 10 heavyweight list. It's unfortunate, but Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano have to be moved down. For me, the Top 5 are: 1. Ali 2. Lewis 3. Foreman 4. Holmes 5.Holyfield. You can mix it up a little bit, but I think these guys at the top sits better with a lot of fight fans.
Joe Louis move down? How? The man has the longest reign and title defences in heavyweight history 11 years and 25 defenses...
How is it unfortunate it's only your opinion not other poeples there is no misfortune because in my reality they stay on the list right where they are ok Lennox Lewis id have at 4, but Joe Louis at 2 at the least, Marciano at 6 followed by Frazier at 7, id have Hollyfied at 8 and right now im undecided about Dempsey and where to place him but Joe Louis is top 3 hands down and he certainly is in the argument for the greatest Heavyweight ever to think otherwise is nuts he was trained by Jack Blackburn the greatest trained who ever lived... Your top 5 is great only for 2 things one Hollyfied in it and 2 Joe Louis isent there because my top 5 for years has been -
Ali 1
Louis 2
Holmes 3
Lewis 4
Foreman 5
@@davidfitzgerald5110 Hey, no argument from me. Looking at my list again, yours might be better than mine. I was too harsh on Joe.
Bert Sugar is embarrassing in this video to be honest.
I'm sorry but Louis doesnt beat Ali Marciano doesn't beat Ali Dempsey or Jack Johnson the man had middleweight speed
Ali himself said Marciano could have beaten him. Ali wasn't unbeatable.
@@melvinbutchhoot do you see him after the Archie Moore fight, the Louis Fight? He beats non of them in their primes and if he was so sure he should’ve unretired and fought Ali..he fought an old Charles Moore and Louis. The nerve of you to say anything negative about Ali..he fought and beat harder punchers than Marciano. Ali would’ve beat his face in worse than the others did
@bobbymarsh1 I never said anything negative about Ali. He said HIMSELF that Rocky would have been his toughest fight. U have absolutely zero proof that he wouldn't hsve beaten those guys when they were younger. Rocky was tough as nails and kept coming.
Full name- Burt Sugar Pants.
Chuvalo makes some great comments here, clearly a boxing anylist in his own right
Marciano has the facts on paper
Name a win he has over someone not past it.
Here's the funny thing about Marciano. People criticize his record because his top fights were against good fighters who were small for HWs, and were at the tail end of their careers. But how did he perform against those fighters? He went undefeated with an immaculate KO %. What more can you ask?
@@forshigity5000 he got dropped by 2 of them & went to war with Charles too😂
And he KO'd them. He had the highest KO percentage until Wilder came on to the scene.@@BoxingJournals
Joe Louis wasnt the greatest. His chin was decent, incredible man. He had a lot of title defenses, but if he was in other eras I couldn't see him winning against other top fighters. His chin wasnt granite like Ali who has never been knocked out, Louis has and had trouble with movers.
Boxers were also small, weighed less, more stationary competition wasnt as good then as later eras. Joe Louis had the greatest combination punching, I've seen, however he was stationary. Fighters that were bigger, faster and had a better chin like Foreman and Liston about, would of beaten him. I would rate Foreman, Holmes , Ali, Liston above Louis as i believe they would of beaten him.
I also rate Marcianno above Louis, as he's undefeated. Although Louis was old when he fought Marcianno...I Dont think his chin would take Marciannos relentless attacks who hit till blood vessels were in your arms. With goat stamina to do It rounds on end.
Ali of 1963-1967 was the greatest fighter ever in history. In the 70s , you could make the claim , as he's never been knocked out, only stopped once when he was fighting parkinsons, bad pills he was taking.
Foreman would make top 3. He was devastating. Liston could too. Louis wouldn't of took shots off Williams and still stand. Holmes was very underated, and outclassed everybody. Marcianno was undefeated. Vitali Klistskcho, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Prime Tyson. Even a prime Jimmy Young who made everyone look bad could be up there.
I also believe a prime Jimmy Young could make a claim to top ten too, for beating Foreman and many thinking Ali and Norton.
Ali was washed, and he didn't train so I couldn't rate him above
Harry Greb . Nuff said
@@christopherbako yes, I would rate Marcianno above Louis for his chin, heart and incredible stamina. Louis was quicker and had much better technique though. I believe if Ali faced Rocky I'm not sure who would win.
Ali, Foreman, Louis, Lewis, Holmes, Marciano, Johnson, Dempsey, Holyfield, Fury. Honorable mention: Liston,Tunney,Frazier,Klitschko
Fury?????
@@drobson8004 You can flip Liston for Fury
Ok then@@DW-nb2zc
There is some pretty bad defence...
If i had one wish in boxing it would be for Ali to retire after beating George Foreman.Maybe,just maybe,he would not have gotten so sick had he retired then.All of us would have enjoyed Ali an ASli commentating and being invited to events to give his opinion.The fact that he did not retired destroyed his record and his stature as a boxer.So sad to see him end up the way he did.If only he stopped in 1974.......if only.
He had slowed speech before the foreman fight, the Parkinsons more than likely would've happened either way
I agree but unfortunately it is what it is.
Hard to watch these old fights and not think about how easily a mediocre heavyweight now days would walk right through the division.
Defense was an afterthought then.
what are you on about.
Part of me thinks that, but part of me thinks they’d annihilate modern competition. I know the defense and technique was a bit different, but these guys were tougher human beings
@@Ditka-89 they were definitely tougher I'll give you that. Boxers then had a different mentality towards fights. It was much more about going out on your shield and many said they were willing to die in the ring.
That's bs lol. Ali louis frazier foreman liston would have done well in all eras
@@KD400_ honestly they probably would've adjusted their styles to be more modern and work vs today's boxers so ya you're prb right more I think about it. I guess I mostly meant, fighting the way they did back then they wouldn't have been great during the current era, but realistically they would be training for modern styles with better diet knowledge of today, etc.
How's Bert sugar an expert hes got no idea ,lunatic he smokes cigars better than being an experts 😂
This top 10 criteria is flawed. How about a more pure top 10, based on how they would fair against each other. Comparative talent and ability, rather than simply how well they did against men in their own era.
There is no way that Dempsey and Tunney would be in that top 10. Lennox Lewis or Iron Mike Tyson would knock out both of them on the same evening.
Dempsey would have a very tough fight with Tyson but he would shatter Lewis into pieces.
@@ddc2957definitely. Lewis is now ridiculously overrated
Lewis at 20 😂😂😂
George Foreman number 1 in my eyes. 81-5 taking a decade off in between lol. Just think how absurd it is. Mike Tyson was 7 when Geirge won his first HW Title and completely washed up when George won his last HW Title. Imagine Lennox Lewis or Mike Tyson coming back now and winning a HW title lol. Even outboxed Ali who Homer Simpson'd him into getting tired and falling over LMAO.
Ali totally outboxed Foreman lol, and Tyson and Lewis are way older now than Foreman was when He came back in 1987
He used to be Sonny Liston's sparring partner. One of the few fighter's that he was afraid of.
Before putting Foreman higher than he deserves remember styles make fights.
Ron Lyle a fun fighter and a hard man came close to ending him. So don't write off other champs so easily.
Foreman didn't outbox Ali - Ali was ahead on points on all the judges' scorecards before he knocked Foreman out in the 8th round. Foreman's face was badly bruised after that fight - there wasn't a single mark on Ali's face.
76-5 and Tyson was about 6
I Like Bert but Seriously Lennox Lewis not in Top 100, Ali only 2nd, Holmes 10th. And Corbett is 17th Lewis would have marmilised Corbett. Yea They Fought insanely long fights back then but Lewis would finish it Early. These are Highly trained Massive Men . I have it Ali 1 Lewis 2 Holmes 3 Liston 4 Foreman 5 Johnson 6 Dempsey 7 Louis 8 Frazier 9 and Vitali Klitchko 10
Lennox lewis 2nd?? He fought guys out of their prime. How can he be anywhere near the greatest. Holyfield was greater than lewis. Won more titles, fought better opposition, had more entertaining fights by far. Fought most guys in their prime and wasn't even a natural heavyweight.
I'm not sure about Lewis being 2nd. Maybe put marcianno somewhere in the top ten he's undefeated.
Other than that I agree with you.
Potential others in top ten Holyfield , Tyson, Cooney, Fury is the best today so him. Perhaps Jimmy Young and Norton in top 20. Jimmy beat Foreman, and Norton was Ali toughest opponent who beat him twice. Tunney beat dempsey twice, so he needs top ten status.
@modinikiluli He was one year Older than Tyson if that's what Your Hinting at . Lewis Beat Hollyfield Twice everyone knows in the first fight He was robbed . Draw ?? Yea right. His Two knockdown where revenged (against Rahman in devastating Fashion, ), He didn't duck Anyone, Was Skilled , huge, great Jab, knockout power . Lewis was a Legend
This is insane having Lewis 2. This isn’t a list of who would beat who. It’s a list of who was the greatest and most impactful in their time and for the sport.
I don't believe Louis was number one. I'd say its a toss between Ali or Marciano. Foreman, Holmes or Liston 3rd, then Joe Louis.
A peak jimmy young had gotta make top ten.
im glad clowns like fury and wilder didnt make the list
Ali is the greatest no debate
No debate? The Ali industry has gotten the better of you.
He should just put a few more cigars in his mouth and hands so you can't make me any more lists ... (Are you kidding me???) Some things are plane and not peanut - where does one go with this list ???
Louis was the greatest, Ali te 2nd GOAT
Agreed but reasonable minds can debate.
For their deeds I would never place Dempsey or Tunney in top ten. They made it clear they would not be defending titles against "Negro" fighters. Publicly announcing this. And this clown Burt Sugar places them ahead of Larry Holmes? Larry fought everyone , white and Black. Dempsey lost to Lester Johnson. Only black opponent he fought. Drew color line after fight was ruled draw . Johnson broke some of Dempseys ribs in route to draw. Most at ringside felt Johnson won. Dempsey himself said later on at Dempseys bar in Manhattan that he felt he lost fight. Tunney wouldn't fight any Black opponents . Not one single black opponent . Godfrey challenged Tunney but Tunney drew color line. Neither deserves to be in top 10. Only someone like Burt Sugar would place them in top 10. Tunney had 1 defense? Pathetic.
Yeah Tunney was notable as a light-heavyweight. Top 10 heavyweight is a sad joke and an insult to some great fighters.
They didn’t fight black fighters because the mob would have riot, Larry Holmes didn’t fight Eastern Europeans because the Soviet Union didn’t allow professional athletes.
@@NeverSober8008 Whites didn't fight blacks because of segregation laws Jim Crow and The US Government .The bar was set very high for Black fighters in that era.
@@louis-i5f As were Eastern Europeans in the Olympics as they couldn’t go professional but we don’t take it away from Mike Tyson that he didn’t have to fight Klitschkos, etc
@@louis-i5f Dempsey also beat Sharkey who beat Willis the best African American boxer during that time period. Fighters also did not pick and chose who they fought but obviously that goes against a narrative you are trying to write.
Ali is number 1. Fought better fighters and would easily stop louis. The real boxing experts holmes and chuvalo said it's a no contest.
Modi Niki Luli Foreman said Louis is the goat 🤣
@@williepep-fy7qm the goat got banged out in the 2nd round once or something like that. You think ali would get banged out like that no chance in hell. But at his time yh joe was the don. But heavyweight boxing changed loads between them decades.
They are boxing experts but Holmes said he didn't know anything about Louis so it's jnfair to compare
Ali easily stops Louis LOL 😂
If george coudnt Ko ali when standing in front of him. How tf louis gonna do it.😂
Louis was an even better puncher and had way more skill.
@@66smithra yh OK son. These guys were way tougher and fitter. Joe had a glass chin. What excuse you gonna give for that you idiot. You don't know boxing.
@@66smithra way more skill fighting like a robot most fights.
Because Louis wasted zero punches. Foreman wasted about one in three.
@@ddc2957 regardless. Go watch the Walcott fight he got robbed easy and joe fought small guys.