I hope you guys enjoyed! Here is a link to the build: th-cam.com/users/redirect?redir_token=BR3cigRpiTlgZX_mUferonr00UV8MTU3MTg1Njk4OUAxNTcxNzcwNTg5&v=28F_02cm8Y8&q=https%3A%2F%2Fclassic.wowhead.com%2Ftalent-calc%2Fshaman%2F55003105230015--0510530100501&event=video_description
Very exciting to see more discussion around shaman dps and viability outside of raid healing. How do you think the dps output of this build compares to a 30/21/0 Ele Devesation build, or straight enhancement? Is the AOE throughput of EM-CL ever worth it in dungeons?
it is absolutely insane how timely and apt this video is -- I've hit 60 two days ago and you've literally addressed every single issue I had in my head around what to spec, how to balance dungeons/pvp/raiding etc. and all in a single video. thank you.
Almost quit shaman for my main because of feeling I was stuck in limbo with a deep resto spec. Only logging on to raid. Glad to see alternatives to play around with.
Andrew Ward don’t quit my man a lot of classic forums lack detail and logic also they forget things Shamans are insane in PvP you if played correctly you can face melt worse then a Spriest you are strong elemental or enhance although it may take more work then a rogue/mage you will receive a big pay back in the end you won’t regret it.
@@talktomygnasher4634 or that troll or tauren wobo combo burst dmg lava totem, war stomp, chain lightning, shock or lava totem, berserk, granade (need 225 engi, troll berserk reduce cast time of granade), chain lightning, shock
This build is hands down the best reason to play Shaman. Having a viable spec for healing and DPS is huge. None of the other hybrids can do this as effectively.
Hey man, I main a mage on classic, but your channel has inspired me to start leveling a shaman! I’ve always been a dps so I think learning healing would be really fun and a new challenge! Keep making great wow content, I look forward to more in depth shaman videos
Thank you for this. My guild clears molten core and Ony in about 2.5 hours already but been having trouble selling them on ele/resto. Hope this helps because the ele hype is real!
Do as I did - don't let anyone know you are ele/resto. There is no real way of knowing that you arent full resto, apart from the fact that you can't drop mana tide. Most raid leaders don't babysit their shamans enough to bother setting up a mana tide rotation. Ele/resto also benefits from getting the majority of the good resto talents, so you won't really fall noticeably behind on the meters either.
@@samuelhakansson6680 ye im in a guild and i want to be able to do insane dmg so i can farm mats quicker, but also able to heal in raids.. and do battlegrounds.. being a resto in pvp sucks.. so im telling my guild leader to give me staff of dominance :p but i dont think he will prioritize me over mages.
yeah just dont tell them. If you arent progressing then this build is totally fine. I played a hybrid spec druid healer and no one ever knew cuz i still put out really good heals. The key is having good gear. a few talents really doesnt make a difference in chain lightning spam....
i have been spending hundreds of gold on respecs from resto to ele and back every week, think ill try this out, mc ony is on farm and will be fun to try NS in pvp
I will not be the one to break the 666 likes so instead I will comment. Melderon you are THE MAN when it comes to Shaman in depth descrips. Dude you make the math work and that intrigues the F out of me and keeps me interested in playing (level 51) sham. Recently spec from Enh to Elly and stacked a bunch of Nature gear and DELETEING stuff. Keep up the good work my dude, hope to see more shaman stuff soon. Moar charts!
I feel like I would cut 2 points in Call of Flame or Concussion so you can get Storm's Reach as well as Imp Fire Totems. That extra range gives a lot of good utility and quality of life in PvP and PvE. Maybe if you're a better player than me you don't need the extra range and would rather take the damage, but I don't think I could go back to the shorter range.
The same scenario can be said for druid. I have no problem either tnaking or healing with a 0/30/21 spec, it is incredibly great to be able to perform either role with great succes with the use of one spec. Sad I couldnt get to play shaman, but great to see how its turning out for you guys!
I think you just convinced me to try it. I've been a strong proponent of deep resto, but I'm a non-T1 shaman. I'm going to the full +heal route, at least until we get some longer fights. I'm typically way ahead of the other shamans, and at/near the top with the other healers, so it will be a good natural experiment. edit: After looking over a bit closer. I have 1 main question. In the video you say that fire nova totem is reduced to 1 second from drop explosion. The base time is 5 seconds. Each talent point removes 1 second. With the 2 talent points available, it should become a 3 second cast. What am I missing? An observation. I don't think I'm willing to give up purification. It's a straight 10% increase to healing. And since I'm 1 point away, why not just pick up mana tide? Typing this up, it hit me that I could also pass on tide, allowing me to take 1 more away from restorative totems, in favor of ele talents. I guess I'm not real well informed on how impactful tide is. Maybe it's simply because pvp isn't out yet, but I started playing around with shuffling talents, and came up with something I think is better suited for the current content. Considering I'm not a main tank healer, I really lose very little, and gain a ton of dps/solo potential. The 1 thing I'll say I'm not real happy with is the conviction/concussion balance, since I don't have enough available to get 5/5. When farming, I tend to favor sustain, so the talents reflect that. classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/shaman/5300310503001--05204301045015
:D Elemental Shaman is the best. The only thing it doesn't really excel at is solo gold farming. Although it's still not bad at it, just more middle of the pack.
As an elemental shaman, I've literally been denied invite into guilds because I'm not resto. They said they might consider enhancement shamans, but they prefer warriors or rogues for that roll. And as an elemental shaman I'd be lower dps and less useful than a Warlock or mage. He said, I'm like a moonkin druid.... so insulted. I took up herb and alchemy to keep myself up with potions and buffs. They said they might consider me after BWL is finished. So sad. Guess I'll just roll a mage or rogue... Nah fuck that! World PvP deleting gnomes with lighting bolt, NS chain lighting earth shock!
Yeah your guild doesn't seem to be a good fit. First shaman meeting we had, I as CL said if any of you want to stay ele/resto or enh/resto go ahead, as long as we have one deep resto per raid
I started as resto at low gear levels for progression, but once I was basically full pre-bis + an epic or two I switched back. Being resto helped when people were still gearing, now I can do Scholo/strat/ubrs and help DPS while main healing, and am still a top 3 healing during raid nights. I'd say once you hit the 225+healing and 25mp5 levels, you really don't need to be full resto for anything currently. Phase 3 I'm gunna switch back for the first few weeks just to help progression, then back to ele to enjoy the rest of the game, same thing for AQ40.
Yeah join a more noob-friendly guild, it's true what they say about lower dps compared to other classes and that it would be more beneficial to get a resto-shaman or a good dps-class into the raidslot instead of an inferior DD. There are also pugs going to MC so just play as you want obviously
Lol the same people who talk shit about shamans and paladins are the ones who play the easy mode classes rogues and mages, they dont wanna put the work in .
Almost every single Elemental Shaman I've grouped with has ended up being lackluster due to terrible uptime. The only time I've done a dungeon where the ele shaman did competitive dps was when all the dpsers were casters and we had to stop to drink every single pull 'cuz everyone was blowing out their mana all the time. Watching the video it just seems to be another case like that, doing your normal single healer rend run which forces the group to regularly stop and wait for mana. Put a second healer in the group and the shaman won't be doing any more damage, but everyone else will be blasting away while the shaman is stuck with their ass on the ground.
unsure what trash ele shamans you played with but even when running running double healer UBRS ive come near the top of every dungeon only beaten out by mages or really geared rogues
@@DefcampMelderonTV That's the point I was making. When I keep the pace up in dungeons ele shamans fall behind in damage because they spend so much time drinking while everyone else is doing damage.
@@DefcampMelderonTV I consistently beat the guilds two ele's DPS and overall damage in both raids and dungeons despite them eating my stormstrike debuff. /Shrug
@@DefcampMelderonTV Running into the same issue! I've been leveling with the mindset of being ENH and my guild wants me to switch to heal for raids AS SOON AS IM GETTING TO 55 D: But this build may be the mutual line that I can settle for!
I love the way it looks man. but i have one question wich equipement will be the best for this spec? u'll go for both ele and resto and changing it or what?
Enhance is fun when it procs, you need a lot of crit to make it work and you can get kitted. Elemental just blows ppl out the water, they have a hard time reacting to the huge burst.
"Fun when it procs" sums it up good, however it still isn't a good spec for pvp or pve. My former shaman had the fortune of getting Sulfuras, and even outside the occasional oneshot (which happens far less frequent than people think), the spec just wasnt worth staying in over a semi decently geared ele/resto. Ele/resto is just so much better for pvp (and as a bonus - pve healing).
At 53/54 I switched from Elemental to full Resto to get in DM groups as healer. I tried healing as Ele but it just didn't cut it. Maybe at 60 this is viable but until then Resto is key
One thing you didnt talk about that I have found with this spec, run Flametongue and melee in dungeons! I do so much dmg with just melee and flametongue. I normally do 3 LB 1 CL 1 FS then melee and still top the charts.
my experience with Fire Nova totem tells me that you need to tag the mobs first and it will be fine, magma totem never pulled mobs unless they weren't tagged as well.
Btw, there is a closely related build which was my staple in vanilla before the class patch, and its 21 ele 30 resto, only foregoing mana tide totem, which often was not a big deal. Sadly, that build got less viable after the class patch, due to how many good resto talents got introduced that really made a difference to your raiding performance.
Been running this build, and I am a juggernaut, even when caught off guard with healing gear I can outduel even 2v1 against many classes. Only hunters give me a real issue. This build is INSANE
That's really weird that you would struggle with Hunters, as I am a former rank 1 Hunter player and could literally own anybody 1v1 in classic, except hybrid Resto/elem Shamans :D Like they were literally the hardest class to beat 1v1, but this was later on when gear when people were aq40/naxx geared, these hybrid resto/ele Shaman specs start to get absolutely insane.
@@magnontaur yeah seems likely if they were duels and shaman is prepared and geared for it, but out in the open world PvP nothing is worse than being ganked by a hunter currently. Even with extra range on my spells instead of the fire totem perk, the kiting is too insane. Only decent way to deal would be invulnerability pots
Liked the video and subbed :) I was wondering if you had (sorry if I missed it) a gearing guide for Elemental in the works? I played Resto/Ele in classic and this video made me want to play that spec/combo again!
Hi Melderon. Nice video! Will definitely check this spec out. On another note, do you have your addon pack available for us that follow you? I really like that whisper-addon popping up and the unitframes, and the dmg over target-font. Mind sharing that addon folder of yours? Great content, keep it up.
Absolutely it is. Shamans depend more on their gear than on their spec for healing (NOT early on in MC though!), which you will probably notice when you get decked out in BiS pieces from BWL. At that point you can basically be a decent healer with 0 points in resto even.
@@DefcampMelderonTV i have done a respect and i do have various items farmed to start the buildm what annoys me is people think your not viable even friends... sad world
I've been doing this same build since dinging 60, last night we downes KT. Beautiful spec, needs a little more gold to upkeep, bur for the true Ele fanatics, it's beautiful even in PvP since i am basically immortal.
Love this video bro, someone recommended me this as I just went deep restro and I can't do anything good other than healing in raids, I want to farm gold and stuff and going deep restro was a down side, what would be your single target rotation?
@@ountalaga if you spam earth shock while casting chain lighting and you have elemental mastery active it will make both of them crit due to spell batching
Mate this is awesome. I was raidlead in an alliance guild tanking etc. and everyday it frustrated me more and more to be forced in one role again and again. Even with fury prot having its fun. I admit it. But fury/prot in pvp is big donkeydoodoo. I just wanted something new and the first 15 level of shaman is just ALL OF THE FUN. Watching some of your videos but this here sounds like an awesome idea! Really looking forward to test this. Can you already go in it with level 40 when you respec from enhance?
for thoses who don't understand why elesham isn't considered "viable", AQ is to elesham, what MC is to fire mage, 0damageland, plus, eleshams have big numbers directly on spells, making them effective in early, but mages and warlocks will get ahead more and more every phase. So... they can't really dps on t2,5, they are behind at dps on t3, and a healer can easely do what you expect from a shaman... using totems, so yea, no reason to invest gear on a eleshaman even right now, where it can pull out good numbers, because you will also need to give him healing gear for AQ and everything, it's just better to invest on mage/warlock. But yea, it can dps really good rn, and it's amazing for pvp.
awesome video, I got a question - When you said you wouldn't be able to tank heal, is that only applicable in a raid setting? Would you be able to heal 5 mans with 30/0/21?
This is my current spec and I love it man it's a lot of fun! I heal our three tanks and give them strg/wf/fire resist but also blow people up in pvp. This is a great spec to get you into the raid and get the gear you need to do dmg outside of raid
Elemental shaman is way more fun than enhancement imo. I play this ele build until 60 ... But what then? Should I respec to resto or should I stick with it? Does the mobs in raids in classic wow have a lot of nature resistance? I know about the spell penetration gear from later phases, but what about raiding as a elemental shaman in MC?
I played this spec on a private server and I loved it. Wouldnt spec to it until around lvl 50 and a good amount of quest gear rewards exist up to that point so its not hard to get early gear if you save it. But how often does your eye of the storm skill proc? When I played this spec I would hardly ever or never see it proc and I would have 2 or 3 mobs banging on me and cause push back continuously.
What do you think of taking points out of Improved Reincarnation and Totemic Mastery (In case you have 3/8 T1 Earthfury) and using those points in Ancestral Healing in order to be more effective at tank healing? Also where are you farming??? Share the shaman secrets plzzz
Hey - I really want to know what addons you're using. They give a really good overview of the game, and as a Shaman myself, i'm having trouble organising my UI to the fullest potential
Really excited you made this video I’m having such a hard time leveling a ele and it made me think I should reroll. Does it get better when you lower the cast time for lighting bolt? Lol that’s where I’m at
Most guides tend to recommend running as enh for the first 40 or so levels then reroll later. At lower levels ele doesn't have enough invested talents, or the right gear to really be that efficient. But if you wanna level as ele then it's totally possible, just a little slow at the start. I found once I hit STV and those sort of areas, I was really starting to get the big crits and killing mobs in a few hits.
hey melderon ive made a build using ele and enhance and was wondering if its viable. i normally have #1 when running dungeons and completely melt people in world pvp but i could definitely use some outside guidance
So what kind of gear do you use? Crit? Mp5? Healing Power? Several sets? Maybe you have some funky hybrid gear build laying around with mp5 and crit? :)
Can u run dire maul as a ele dps or are there just too many mobs that are nature immune? I'm very much debating on swapping my enhancement spec for ele resto, I love both specs but there are just so many benefits like u said with this spec that u don't have to keep swapping talents around.
I woudn't work so well since those specs need different stats. With ele/resto you can just get int/spr/stam gear with dmg and healing increase option which can be used for both trees
Dubi Dubs Figures. My main dungeon group has all casters so instead of fighting with them for pieces of loot was wondering if grabbing all the enhance stuff could make me 80% as affective at farming. I could get all the +healing I want and leave the spell damage to the mages and warlocks I roll with.
Hi, I’m keen on trying this out since I have a fellow mage to supply me with water. I’m now 41, what would be the talent build for levelling that would allow to pick some skills in resto tree to still be viable as a healer in 5 man dungeons?
SarcasticGoose im clearing raids with a 31/20 spec which is slightly more pve focused. I can come top in dungeon boss fights and heal raids in the same build without respec. Will switch to a more pvp spec once I have 3 pieces t1 soni can drop the 30yd totem talent in resto and move it elsewhere
I'm curious- Let's say your healing as this spec in dungeons. Without having Improved Healing Wave talents do you even use HW or just LHW/CH? Also could you fish for a clear casting proc with a rank 1 LB or shock to use on a free Max rank HW or LHW? * Scratch that last part...guess Ele focus clear cast only applies to damage spell not heal. Imagine if it did though!
i usually use lesser healing wave rank 6 and 4.. so i can heal more on low hp targets and less on high hp targets.. you also want to keep people alive so throwing out healing and going oom is okay if there are multiple healers in raid.. if dps die early the dps on enemy will suffer a lot so its really good to try keep most people alive so the dps stays strong. I usually never use healing wave since it takes too long to channel in raids and people will die.. so i will spam lesser healing wave to try keep people alive and then let the other healers carry on while i regen. Also remember than it would be nice to have healing gear as well when doing this with lots of mana regen..
@@DefcampMelderonTV I know the higher your crit gets the more redundant EM becomes, but for pvp purposes I think the fact the it guarantees a crit on ALL THREE chain lightning jumps is pretty huge, and the fact alone that it guarantees a crit is great for pvp because it gives you a reliable sort of 'I win' button. I'm not geared out yet so I'm sure my thoughts will change once I have >25% spell crit but I definitely see some upsides to EM compared to NS
@@gg2fan NS is better for healers and its a more all round ability for pvp. A lot of classes will make it hard to actually use elemental mastery. Ive been running EM for a while now and without tauren stun your basically just open to being kicked and getting locked out of healing. But it is fun to watch someone lose their whole healthbar when you can use it
You can, but be warned. You need to theorycraft a whole lot and make use of wonky gear combos in order to sustain your mana. It is 100% mandatory that you chug mana pots, dark/demo runes on cooldown and use mp5/int/spelldam consumes, especially after MC. I created my own spreadsheet/theorycrafting tool for ele a few years ago, and the BiS list for an ele shaman becomes quite wonky. For instance some blue BiS pieces apparently drop out of ZG, due to a rare combination of stats which only really work for ele. The key point to work out is your mana usage. After MC (where fights are short, so you can basically gear like a mage there), you need to prioritize a balance of mp5 and spell damage far higher, and cosider downranking lightning bolt. It all depends on how long the fight is though, so for instance you might need to swap out like 50% of your gear between fighting Ebonroc (short fight) and Nefarian (long fight) in order to stay optimal. You can easily look at like 500 dps in MC and the same in BWL though, if you do it correctly. Which is usually better than most of the raid is doing.
Just to add. You can double up on elemental mastery. Open with a Lightning Bolt/Chain Lightning and spam a shock as it is casting. When they come out in the same batching window, both will crit, both will cost no mana.
I know this is a old video. But, this is a build i really want to try in classic through raiding, dungeons and pvp. Can anyone tell me how to gear a character for this build? Thank you in advance.
I was trying to mess around with the calculator to fit in Mana Tide totem but it sacrifices a lot of burst/crit from ele. When healing raids with this build, is mana an issue since you don't get Mana Tide?
5/5 healing focus homie. it's a must-have for pvp. also has many uses in pve. i wouldn't take the +hit, on boss fights where hit is a major factor shamans will be healing anyway. other than that, great vid!
I hope you guys enjoyed! Here is a link to the build: th-cam.com/users/redirect?redir_token=BR3cigRpiTlgZX_mUferonr00UV8MTU3MTg1Njk4OUAxNTcxNzcwNTg5&v=28F_02cm8Y8&q=https%3A%2F%2Fclassic.wowhead.com%2Ftalent-calc%2Fshaman%2F55003105230015--0510530100501&event=video_description
Very exciting to see more discussion around shaman dps and viability outside of raid healing. How do you think the dps output of this build compares to a 30/21/0 Ele Devesation build, or straight enhancement? Is the AOE throughput of EM-CL ever worth it in dungeons?
Would you still follow EGREGIOUS's Resto BiS gear list to use this spec? Or would you change it up?
@@full_metal2452 he provides two sets of gear on his list on classicwow.live. I follow his +sp build
nice build man, gone help me alot. do you have a bis item for ele shaman that are you following? Tyvm
@@DefcampMelderonTV the MP5 list?
it is absolutely insane how timely and apt this video is -- I've hit 60 two days ago and you've literally addressed every single issue I had in my head around what to spec, how to balance dungeons/pvp/raiding etc. and all in a single video. thank you.
Almost quit shaman for my main because of feeling I was stuck in limbo with a deep resto spec. Only logging on to raid. Glad to see alternatives to play around with.
Andrew Ward don’t quit my man a lot of classic forums lack detail and logic also they forget things Shamans are insane in PvP you if played correctly you can face melt worse then a Spriest you are strong elemental or enhance although it may take more work then a rogue/mage you will receive a big pay back in the end you won’t regret it.
@@talktomygnasher4634 or that troll or tauren wobo combo burst dmg
lava totem, war stomp, chain lightning, shock
or lava totem, berserk, granade (need 225 engi, troll berserk reduce cast time of granade), chain lightning, shock
I've been maining an ele shaman to my EXTREME DELIGHT!
This build is hands down the best reason to play Shaman. Having a viable spec for healing and DPS is huge. None of the other hybrids can do this as effectively.
Thanks man, pretty much exactly what I was wondering. I am 0/5/46 , and farming gold is a pain. This should help, thank you!
Orcbit and Decamp/Melderon shaman video in same day?! BADASS
Hey man, I main a mage on classic, but your channel has inspired me to start leveling a shaman! I’ve always been a dps so I think learning healing would be really fun and a new challenge! Keep making great wow content, I look forward to more in depth shaman videos
spamming chain heal on your shaman in raids wont be to difficult haha
Thank you for this. My guild clears molten core and Ony in about 2.5 hours already but been having trouble selling them on ele/resto. Hope this helps because the ele hype is real!
Do as I did - don't let anyone know you are ele/resto. There is no real way of knowing that you arent full resto, apart from the fact that you can't drop mana tide. Most raid leaders don't babysit their shamans enough to bother setting up a mana tide rotation. Ele/resto also benefits from getting the majority of the good resto talents, so you won't really fall noticeably behind on the meters either.
@@samuelhakansson6680 ye im in a guild and i want to be able to do insane dmg so i can farm mats quicker, but also able to heal in raids.. and do battlegrounds.. being a resto in pvp sucks.. so im telling my guild leader to give me staff of dominance :p but i dont think he will prioritize me over mages.
yeah just dont tell them. If you arent progressing then this build is totally fine. I played a hybrid spec druid healer and no one ever knew cuz i still put out really good heals. The key is having good gear. a few talents really doesnt make a difference in chain lightning spam....
i have been spending hundreds of gold on respecs from resto to ele and back every week, think ill try this out, mc ony is on farm and will be fun to try NS in pvp
I will not be the one to break the 666 likes so instead I will comment. Melderon you are THE MAN when it comes to Shaman in depth descrips. Dude you make the math work and that intrigues the F out of me and keeps me interested in playing (level 51) sham. Recently spec from Enh to Elly and stacked a bunch of Nature gear and DELETEING stuff. Keep up the good work my dude, hope to see more shaman stuff soon. Moar charts!
I feel like I would cut 2 points in Call of Flame or Concussion so you can get Storm's Reach as well as Imp Fire Totems. That extra range gives a lot of good utility and quality of life in PvP and PvE. Maybe if you're a better player than me you don't need the extra range and would rather take the damage, but I don't think I could go back to the shorter range.
Go with what you are more comfortable with
Decided to level with this spec and so happy I did. Alliance try to kite me thinking I'm enhancement and lolnope.
jo mate can you tell me when you respeced in this build? i m level 23 now and wanted to respec around 40 :) what was your level you switched?
Very good information in a concise and easy to understand format. Will be using this build.
The same scenario can be said for druid. I have no problem either tnaking or healing with a 0/30/21 spec, it is incredibly great to be able to perform either role with great succes with the use of one spec.
Sad I couldnt get to play shaman, but great to see how its turning out for you guys!
The only downside is you need 2 sets of gear with that druid spec. I always liked balance/resto or ele/resto
I think you just convinced me to try it. I've been a strong proponent of deep resto, but I'm a non-T1 shaman. I'm going to the full +heal route, at least until we get some longer fights. I'm typically way ahead of the other shamans, and at/near the top with the other healers, so it will be a good natural experiment.
edit: After looking over a bit closer. I have 1 main question. In the video you say that fire nova totem is reduced to 1 second from drop explosion. The base time is 5 seconds. Each talent point removes 1 second. With the 2 talent points available, it should become a 3 second cast. What am I missing?
An observation. I don't think I'm willing to give up purification. It's a straight 10% increase to healing. And since I'm 1 point away, why not just pick up mana tide? Typing this up, it hit me that I could also pass on tide, allowing me to take 1 more away from restorative totems, in favor of ele talents. I guess I'm not real well informed on how impactful tide is.
Maybe it's simply because pvp isn't out yet, but I started playing around with shuffling talents, and came up with something I think is better suited for the current content. Considering I'm not a main tank healer, I really lose very little, and gain a ton of dps/solo potential. The 1 thing I'll say I'm not real happy with is the conviction/concussion balance, since I don't have enough available to get 5/5. When farming, I tend to favor sustain, so the talents reflect that.
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Yeah I'm going +heal too. There's really no need for mp5 in phase 1
@@DefcampMelderonTV I edited after your comment, so just want to point that out for you or anyone else reading.
Missed ya, mate.
:D Elemental Shaman is the best. The only thing it doesn't really excel at is solo gold farming. Although it's still not bad at it, just more middle of the pack.
As an elemental shaman, I've literally been denied invite into guilds because I'm not resto. They said they might consider enhancement shamans, but they prefer warriors or rogues for that roll.
And as an elemental shaman I'd be lower dps and less useful than a Warlock or mage.
He said, I'm like a moonkin druid.... so insulted.
I took up herb and alchemy to keep myself up with potions and buffs.
They said they might consider me after BWL is finished. So sad.
Guess I'll just roll a mage or rogue...
Nah fuck that! World PvP deleting gnomes with lighting bolt, NS chain lighting earth shock!
imo find a new guild
Yeah your guild doesn't seem to be a good fit. First shaman meeting we had, I as CL said if any of you want to stay ele/resto or enh/resto go ahead, as long as we have one deep resto per raid
I started as resto at low gear levels for progression, but once I was basically full pre-bis + an epic or two I switched back. Being resto helped when people were still gearing, now I can do Scholo/strat/ubrs and help DPS while main healing, and am still a top 3 healing during raid nights. I'd say once you hit the 225+healing and 25mp5 levels, you really don't need to be full resto for anything currently. Phase 3 I'm gunna switch back for the first few weeks just to help progression, then back to ele to enjoy the rest of the game, same thing for AQ40.
Yeah join a more noob-friendly guild, it's true what they say about lower dps compared to other classes and that it would be more beneficial to get a resto-shaman or a good dps-class into the raidslot instead of an inferior DD. There are also pugs going to MC so just play as you want obviously
Lol the same people who talk shit about shamans and paladins are the ones who play the easy mode classes rogues and mages, they dont wanna put the work in .
Almost every single Elemental Shaman I've grouped with has ended up being lackluster due to terrible uptime. The only time I've done a dungeon where the ele shaman did competitive dps was when all the dpsers were casters and we had to stop to drink every single pull 'cuz everyone was blowing out their mana all the time. Watching the video it just seems to be another case like that, doing your normal single healer rend run which forces the group to regularly stop and wait for mana. Put a second healer in the group and the shaman won't be doing any more damage, but everyone else will be blasting away while the shaman is stuck with their ass on the ground.
unsure what trash ele shamans you played with but even when running running double healer UBRS ive come near the top of every dungeon only beaten out by mages or really geared rogues
Just keep pulling, why would you wait for 1 dps to drink? A good ele shaman drinks as soon as they can
@@DefcampMelderonTV That's the point I was making. When I keep the pace up in dungeons ele shamans fall behind in damage because they spend so much time drinking while everyone else is doing damage.
@@Ares42 same goes for mages as well. We drink just as much as them. So if you are moving that fast, just go melee
Almost able to sway me from enhancement. Almost
Power to ya man, I go back and for to enhancement to twist for the raid and the DPS is just so low
Orc smash
@@DefcampMelderonTV I consistently beat the guilds two ele's DPS and overall damage in both raids and dungeons despite them eating my stormstrike debuff.
/Shrug
@@DefcampMelderonTV Running into the same issue! I've been leveling with the mindset of being ENH and my guild wants me to switch to heal for raids AS SOON AS IM GETTING TO 55 D: But this build may be the mutual line that I can settle for!
Enhance is garbage. TBC it becomes beautiful. Ss baby. I play shammy to cast in classic
Man, you saved my life! I specced deep resto, especially for raids and my guild, but I love Elemantal! Gonna respec right away, haha!
Respect the elements!
it would have been nice if you went over the talent tree
I love the way it looks man. but i have one question wich equipement will be the best for this spec?
u'll go for both ele and resto and changing it or what?
Which addons do you use (and versions) for totems bar, debuffs up to mob, group frames and lightning shield remember? Nice video btw ;-)
I'll do an add-on video next
Was gonna ask for the group/raid frames with incoming heals, as I love that for healing. Will be great to see you walk through those addons :)
I dropped classic completely, but now I think I'll come back just to roll a shaman. This build looks really fun!
Enhance is fun when it procs, you need a lot of crit to make it work and you can get kitted. Elemental just blows ppl out the water, they have a hard time reacting to the huge burst.
"Fun when it procs" sums it up good, however it still isn't a good spec for pvp or pve. My former shaman had the fortune of getting Sulfuras, and even outside the occasional oneshot (which happens far less frequent than people think), the spec just wasnt worth staying in over a semi decently geared ele/resto. Ele/resto is just so much better for pvp (and as a bonus - pve healing).
@@samuelhakansson6680 100% agree
How about healing dungeons like Scholo, Strat or UBRS/LBRS?
I was thinking of going ele/resto for instance running.
Worth it. I am only 51 right now due to world pvp ganking has been intense this last two weeks.
At 53/54 I switched from Elemental to full Resto to get in DM groups as healer. I tried healing as Ele but it just didn't cut it. Maybe at 60 this is viable but until then Resto is key
Yeah once you get gear, you can totally heal as this build
You can farm the start of DMNorth, (first boss and dogs) it gives OK gpm when paired with Skinning :)
One thing you didnt talk about that I have found with this spec, run Flametongue and melee in dungeons! I do so much dmg with just melee and flametongue. I normally do 3 LB 1 CL 1 FS then melee and still top the charts.
Tyler Beaty that’s in interesting point. I assume you have high spellpower? And use a fast dagger. You think it will outperform rockbiter in leveling?
It’s like the HotW build for shamans, woo hoo! Hybrids are so awesome!
my experience with Fire Nova totem tells me that you need to tag the mobs first and it will be fine, magma totem never pulled mobs unless they weren't tagged as well.
this is kinda like druid going 24/0/27 or 0/30/21
lets you heal dps and pvp, or heal tank(or dps) and pvp
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Btw, there is a closely related build which was my staple in vanilla before the class patch, and its 21 ele 30 resto, only foregoing mana tide totem, which often was not a big deal.
Sadly, that build got less viable after the class patch, due to how many good resto talents got introduced that really made a difference to your raiding performance.
Thuran dumb spec
Jay Sintonus dumb comment because you gave no explanation why it was a dumb spec, so we can only assume you either are right or wrong about it.
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Can you drop a healing guide for this tree? Thanks for all the great insights
Been running this build, and I am a juggernaut, even when caught off guard with healing gear I can outduel even 2v1 against many classes. Only hunters give me a real issue. This build is INSANE
fkn hunters hey
That's really weird that you would struggle with Hunters, as I am a former rank 1 Hunter player and could literally own anybody 1v1 in classic, except hybrid Resto/elem Shamans :D Like they were literally the hardest class to beat 1v1, but this was later on when gear when people were aq40/naxx geared, these hybrid resto/ele Shaman specs start to get absolutely insane.
@@magnontaur For me the pet gives me so much trouble. A little overwhelming. Hunter pets are a lot more intrusive than warlock pets.
The way like a tiger pet interrupts spell casts can really benefit the hunter, and if you get hit by trap you kinda auto lose lol
@@magnontaur yeah seems likely if they were duels and shaman is prepared and geared for it, but out in the open world PvP nothing is worse than being ganked by a hunter currently. Even with extra range on my spells instead of the fire totem perk, the kiting is too insane. Only decent way to deal would be invulnerability pots
Would you level up with this build? Or respec at 60.
O.o i never knew natures swiftness could be used for offensive spells omg
Oh yes!
Liked the video and subbed :) I was wondering if you had (sorry if I missed it) a gearing guide for Elemental in the works? I played Resto/Ele in classic and this video made me want to play that spec/combo again!
Hi Melderon. Nice video! Will definitely check this spec out. On another note, do you have your addon pack available for us that follow you? I really like that whisper-addon popping up and the unitframes, and the dmg over target-font. Mind sharing that addon folder of yours? Great content, keep it up.
Next video will be add-ons. Likely this weekend
@@DefcampMelderonTV Nice! Can't wait! 👍
Hey! Is it possiple to heal on dungs with this spec on late game? Keep up the good work^^
It is for sure. However, it's more gear dependent than full resto. So I'd wait until you get your hands on some good gear before switching 😉
I've been 30/0/21 the moment I hit 60 and I raid MC and Onyxia weekly. I'm either on par or not too far off the deep resto shamans. It's fantastic
Absolutely it is. Shamans depend more on their gear than on their spec for healing (NOT early on in MC though!), which you will probably notice when you get decked out in BiS pieces from BWL. At that point you can basically be a decent healer with 0 points in resto even.
nice video.... i been kind of put off playing my enhancement shaman since i reached 60 and have rolled a warrior, might give this a look for a change.
Such a world of difference
@@DefcampMelderonTV i have done a respect and i do have various items farmed to start the buildm what annoys me is people think your not viable even friends... sad world
Fuck yeah new vid
Shammy the multi-tool of classic WOW
I've been doing this same build since dinging 60, last night we downes KT. Beautiful spec, needs a little more gold to upkeep, bur for the true Ele fanatics, it's beautiful even in PvP since i am basically immortal.
played with an elemental shaman in stratholme, his dps was nuts! and he didn't have any epics items either :P
They do have amazing damage. Unless the fight is longer than 30 seconds or so, then theyre pretty bad lol. This video is a bit misleading
Tried elemental for dungeons from 43-45. Normally i could not keep up with the others just because of the speed, and i was oom all the time....
same with lvl 51
Thank you, I rewatched your other resto only guide but I think this is more for me. Would you go down elemental or resto first while leveling?
Love this video bro, someone recommended me this as I just went deep restro and I can't do anything good other than healing in raids, I want to farm gold and stuff and going deep restro was a down side, what would be your single target rotation?
Until Elemental Mastery is fixed, the proper spec is 31Ele 20Resto if youre a PVPer imo
Can you explain? What is broken and what needs to be fixed?
@@ountalaga if you spam earth shock while casting chain lighting and you have elemental mastery active it will make both of them crit due to spell batching
So for this build how are you gearing? Do you avoid the +healing items, and just focus on spellpower exclusively? What about +spellhit items?
You gather two sets.
Mate this is awesome. I was raidlead in an alliance guild tanking etc. and everyday it frustrated me more and more to be forced in one role again and again. Even with fury prot having its fun. I admit it. But fury/prot in pvp is big donkeydoodoo. I just wanted something new and the first 15 level of shaman is just ALL OF THE FUN. Watching some of your videos but this here sounds like an awesome idea! Really looking forward to test this. Can you already go in it with level 40 when you respec from enhance?
Gonna be using this on SoM😈
Enjoyed the video! Nice build.
Is there a build you've found for shamans to be good tanks?
Check out my shaman tanking guide
for thoses who don't understand why elesham isn't considered "viable", AQ is to elesham, what MC is to fire mage, 0damageland, plus, eleshams have big numbers directly on spells, making them effective in early, but mages and warlocks will get ahead more and more every phase.
So... they can't really dps on t2,5, they are behind at dps on t3, and a healer can easely do what you expect from a shaman... using totems, so yea, no reason to invest gear on a eleshaman even right now, where it can pull out good numbers, because you will also need to give him healing gear for AQ and everything, it's just better to invest on mage/warlock.
But yea, it can dps really good rn, and it's amazing for pvp.
Thanks for the video!
I really like your UI, can you please tell what add-ons are you using for that?
awesome video, I got a question - When you said you wouldn't be able to tank heal, is that only applicable in a raid setting? Would you be able to heal 5 mans with 30/0/21?
Yes, you can heal dungeons totally fine
This is my current spec and I love it man it's a lot of fun! I heal our three tanks and give them strg/wf/fire resist but also blow people up in pvp. This is a great spec to get you into the raid and get the gear you need to do dmg outside of raid
Elemental shaman is way more fun than enhancement imo. I play this ele build until 60 ... But what then? Should I respec to resto or should I stick with it? Does the mobs in raids in classic wow have a lot of nature resistance? I know about the spell penetration gear from later phases, but what about raiding as a elemental shaman in MC?
In phase 1, MC, there really isn't much NR. It depends on what your guild needs. Of they don't need another full resto shaman, go ele
10 hours to hc release and I still dont know if druid or shammy
Can you please Do Research and a Video about this proximity threat Thing
I played this spec on a private server and I loved it. Wouldnt spec to it until around lvl 50 and a good amount of quest gear rewards exist up to that point so its not hard to get early gear if you save it. But how often does your eye of the storm skill proc? When I played this spec I would hardly ever or never see it proc and I would have 2 or 3 mobs banging on me and cause push back continuously.
I'd say procs at least once per pull with multiple mobs
@@DefcampMelderonTV awesome thanks! Better odds than I have had.
This is what i used back in og vanilla. Was able to pvp and heal in pve np
I take the two points out of Improved Fire Totems and put them into Storm Reach, due to my doing a lot of PvP.
Yeah that's the eat to go for pvp
the best is 1 in improved fire totems, 2 in improved earthbind and you can still get storm reach
What do you think of taking points out of Improved Reincarnation and Totemic Mastery (In case you have 3/8 T1 Earthfury) and using those points in Ancestral Healing in order to be more effective at tank healing?
Also where are you farming??? Share the shaman secrets plzzz
Yeah that works
Felwood, aszhara. Frostadamus knows that stuff. I usually make money in dungeons
Hey - I really want to know what addons you're using. They give a really good overview of the game, and as a Shaman myself, i'm having trouble organising my UI to the fullest potential
A whole bunch of add-ons by looks of it lol.
What add on is that with the debuffs? Always loved elemental back in wotlk. Your making me consider getting back at it
I'll do an add-on video next
Really excited you made this video I’m having such a hard time leveling a ele and it made me think I should reroll. Does it get better when you lower the cast time for lighting bolt? Lol that’s where I’m at
It gets really good and fun to play BUT only after 40 or so
It picks up around level 40. I have a shaman leveling guide you may like
Most guides tend to recommend running as enh for the first 40 or so levels then reroll later. At lower levels ele doesn't have enough invested talents, or the right gear to really be that efficient. But if you wanna level as ele then it's totally possible, just a little slow at the start. I found once I hit STV and those sort of areas, I was really starting to get the big crits and killing mobs in a few hits.
Respeccing this today. You got a recommended gear list from 45 to late 50's?
Not a list perse. But intellect and spell power. As much as you can
@@DefcampMelderonTV Thanks for the answer, i will go spend some gold on the AH now :) -subbed
What addon are you using for party/raid frams. It looks so smooth and clean, can only find healium/suf and they dont seem to offer the same layout
Can you heal at 60 5 man dungeon with this build?
yes, absolutely
Joining a 10 man Ubers and asking for inner age after the first pull
Innervate **
do u have items with +heal and +spell dmg or do u switch gear?
Switch for the role. I have a plus healing set for healing and plus damage for DPS
hey melderon ive made a build using ele and enhance and was wondering if its viable. i normally have #1 when running dungeons and completely melt people in world pvp but i could definitely use some outside guidance
So what kind of gear do you use? Crit? Mp5? Healing Power? Several sets? Maybe you have some funky hybrid gear build laying around with mp5 and crit? :)
Int and spell power
Thanks m8
Hello. Tell me pls is this a healbot addon? If so, can you please send an screenshot of your settings? It looks amazing!
Love your vids, they're very helpful. I like you ui could you tell us your addons?
Yeah whats that UI?
@@smooothyyy Luna
Add-ons video next
Wow ur addons rocks, can u write what u use? I like The bar with dots over The mobs
Can u run dire maul as a ele dps or are there just too many mobs that are nature immune? I'm very much debating on swapping my enhancement spec for ele resto, I love both specs but there are just so many benefits like u said with this spec that u don't have to keep swapping talents around.
Hi ! what is the shield you're using ? he looks so cool !
Good video i was just curious how does this build stack up against a EM build?
Is there an equivalent type build for enhance/resto?
You can do the same talents in resto and go down to SS in enhancement. Although it's not as effective at DPS and farming
I woudn't work so well since those specs need different stats. With ele/resto you can just get int/spr/stam gear with dmg and healing increase option which can be used for both trees
Dubi Dubs Figures. My main dungeon group has all casters so instead of fighting with them for pieces of loot was wondering if grabbing all the enhance stuff could make me 80% as affective at farming. I could get all the +healing I want and leave the spell damage to the mages and warlocks I roll with.
Hey, great video. what add-ons you are using? thanks
can you do a bis for open world pvp or just pvp in general?
Hi, I’m keen on trying this out since I have a fellow mage to supply me with water. I’m now 41, what would be the talent build for levelling that would allow to pick some skills in resto tree to still be viable as a healer in 5 man dungeons?
Questian. You don't talk about Dungen Healing and you still have 21 in healing. Is it still somthing you can do or?
If you can heal raids, you can totally heal dungeons yes
Could you heal dungeons with this spec? Sounds like it might be difficult if you're not geared.
SarcasticGoose im clearing raids with a 31/20 spec which is slightly more pve focused. I can come top in dungeon boss fights and heal raids in the same build without respec. Will switch to a more pvp spec once I have 3 pieces t1 soni can drop the 30yd totem talent in resto and move it elsewhere
Yes you can heal dungeons. But as you said the gear dependence is higher than deep resto
I'm curious- Let's say your healing as this spec in dungeons. Without having Improved Healing Wave talents do you even use HW or just LHW/CH? Also could you fish for a clear casting proc with a rank 1 LB or shock to use on a free Max rank HW or LHW?
* Scratch that last part...guess Ele focus clear cast only applies to damage spell not heal. Imagine if it did though!
i usually use lesser healing wave rank 6 and 4.. so i can heal more on low hp targets and less on high hp targets.. you also want to keep people alive so throwing out healing and going oom is okay if there are multiple healers in raid.. if dps die early the dps on enemy will suffer a lot so its really good to try keep most people alive so the dps stays strong. I usually never use healing wave since it takes too long to channel in raids and people will die.. so i will spam lesser healing wave to try keep people alive and then let the other healers carry on while i regen. Also remember than it would be nice to have healing gear as well when doing this with lots of mana regen..
Why nature swiftness over mastery! Any reason per say?
Healing mostly
Also once you have a lot of crit, it really isn't needed.
@@DefcampMelderonTV I know the higher your crit gets the more redundant EM becomes, but for pvp purposes I think the fact the it guarantees a crit on ALL THREE chain lightning jumps is pretty huge, and the fact alone that it guarantees a crit is great for pvp because it gives you a reliable sort of 'I win' button. I'm not geared out yet so I'm sure my thoughts will change once I have >25% spell crit but I definitely see some upsides to EM compared to NS
@@gg2fan NS is better for healers and its a more all round ability for pvp. A lot of classes will make it hard to actually use elemental mastery. Ive been running EM for a while now and without tauren stun your basically just open to being kicked and getting locked out of healing. But it is fun to watch someone lose their whole healthbar when you can use it
If only we could raid as a ele shaman!
You can. We had 2. Now have 1 only because one had to change raid times
You can, but be warned. You need to theorycraft a whole lot and make use of wonky gear combos in order to sustain your mana. It is 100% mandatory that you chug mana pots, dark/demo runes on cooldown and use mp5/int/spelldam consumes, especially after MC. I created my own spreadsheet/theorycrafting tool for ele a few years ago, and the BiS list for an ele shaman becomes quite wonky. For instance some blue BiS pieces apparently drop out of ZG, due to a rare combination of stats which only really work for ele. The key point to work out is your mana usage. After MC (where fights are short, so you can basically gear like a mage there), you need to prioritize a balance of mp5 and spell damage far higher, and cosider downranking lightning bolt. It all depends on how long the fight is though, so for instance you might need to swap out like 50% of your gear between fighting Ebonroc (short fight) and Nefarian (long fight) in order to stay optimal. You can easily look at like 500 dps in MC and the same in BWL though, if you do it correctly. Which is usually better than most of the raid is doing.
Any pre raid BIS to go with this build?
I don't have a set list but I think orcbit does
@@DefcampMelderonTV thanks!
Ayo you playing Season of Discovery?
what level do you recommend going from enhancement to this spec?
Around 42 or so, but the leveling spec is slightly different as you get elemental mastery
Just to add. You can double up on elemental mastery. Open with a Lightning Bolt/Chain Lightning and spam a shock as it is casting. When they come out in the same batching window, both will crit, both will cost no mana.
I know this is a old video. But, this is a build i really want to try in classic through raiding, dungeons and pvp. Can anyone tell me how to gear a character for this build? Thank you in advance.
I was trying to mess around with the calculator to fit in Mana Tide totem but it sacrifices a lot of burst/crit from ele. When healing raids with this build, is mana an issue since you don't get Mana Tide?
5/5 healing focus homie. it's a must-have for pvp. also has many uses in pve. i wouldn't take the +hit, on boss fights where hit is a major factor shamans will be healing anyway. other than that, great vid!