Disclaimer: As much as I love wrestling, I’m a baseball guy who has never wrestled. So someone tell my why reversal points are even a thing. If you escape, then take your opponent down, you get four points even though you did it in two moves. From an outsider, it seems harder to reverse, since it’s essentially an escape and take down in ONE move. So why just two points rather than four? Someone please enlighten me.
You said it, an escape and a takedown are two moves. A reversal is one move. The goal with the 3 point takedown was to encourage action and reward the takedown because takedowns are more exciting as well as more difficult. If a person takes his opponent down, he really deserves an extra point over the one who reverses him.
I agree old rules had more natural parity with TDs being 2 reveals being 2 (same as TD) and escape as 1. 3 pt TD took parity away from ground wrestling. In some ways it makes matches more exciting but at the expense of parity
I have a rule change idea: Every wrestler must have a backup set of headgear ready to go! Sometimes we waste several minutes while a wrestler or his coach tries to make headgear repairs. This is a quick fix. 😊
PA highschools used to have 1pt and 2pt riding time but quick to call stalling to top if not actively trying to turn, made wrestling much like Messenbrink's style, I think
Penn State and each other team may do training differently, but I have to agree with Spey that Penn State isnt breaking the mold on recovery and has some secret sauce. They all recover in similar ways, imo.
I say Mitchell is a bigger lock. You guys are writing off Greg, as Gable's a next topic, Gable's beat him, but that was when Greg wasn't 100% healthy, And they were still close matches. There are no national champions in Mitchell's weight class, The second best guy Mitchell's tech ed multiple times
Messenbrink is better that both. As a Freshman he lost one match, in the finals, against a 2x champ on criteria. Moreover, he thought he was ahead and didn’t do anything the last 30 seconds and Carr was gassed. Gable is so overrated. He’s great for a HW, but his competition is a joke and he has zero mat game. HW’s a joke
@@cjpfeuferYt dark horse would assume he isn’t one of the favorites. Honestly, it’s quite literally only Between him, Gable, and Starocci… All 3 are undefeated for now. All 3 have a 100% bonus rate since All Star classic doesn’t count toward the record. 2 of the 3 have returning national champions at the weight. I believe sportsmenship is a requirement for hodge… in which I’d say Mesenbrink is actually the favorite of the 3. Seeing as MM has bonuses everyone at his weight already, safe to say he isn’t a dark horse. If Gable doesn’t bonus either Kerk or Wyatt, there’s a likely possibility Mesenbrink wins it.
Maybe dont allow a ref to work there old schools matches,weather it be h.s. or college! But refs are getting hard to fine! Whos going to police it.nays& yays lol
Levi vs. keegan will be impossible to watch. Zare could never hold a candle to gable, gable will beat it down his leg. The olympic final wasn’t close with geno because they scored it wrong. The standups wouldn’t have mattered then. Gable’s bad par terre defense is a fake overblown narrative. Sidakov being unable to win this recent olympics is also a fake narrative
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@@daytonasayswhat9333 it’s impossible to even search or find the slightest information about it, it’s impossible to find, no one knows anything about it, the website is sketchy/difficult/not user friendly/not easy to use, there’s zero promotion, you also have to pay multiple fees to watch it, it’s not a guaranteed match, everything about it and surrounding it is a disgrace
Disclaimer: As much as I love wrestling, I’m a baseball guy who has never wrestled. So someone tell my why reversal points are even a thing. If you escape, then take your opponent down, you get four points even though you did it in two moves. From an outsider, it seems harder to reverse, since it’s essentially an escape and take down in ONE move. So why just two points rather than four? Someone please enlighten me.
It definitely should at least be three points. It is absolutely criminal that reversals are only 2 points.
You said it, an escape and a takedown are two moves. A reversal is one move. The goal with the 3 point takedown was to encourage action and reward the takedown because takedowns are more exciting as well as more difficult. If a person takes his opponent down, he really deserves an extra point over the one who reverses him.
reversals happen more in scrambles and can be less difficult to get because youre already on the mat so you dont have to initiate a move
I agree old rules had more natural parity with TDs being 2 reveals being 2 (same as TD) and escape as 1. 3 pt TD took parity away from ground wrestling. In some ways it makes matches more exciting but at the expense of parity
Spey’s offensive smelling line deserved more love
thank you I agree :)
Carter does have 100% bonus rate this year. The PK All Star classic match does not count towards the Hodge
I have a rule change idea: Every wrestler must have a backup set of headgear ready to go! Sometimes we waste several minutes while a wrestler or his coach tries to make headgear repairs. This is a quick fix. 😊
Get rid of headgears
1 point for every minute of riding time.
Agreed. If you can get to two, you deserve two.
What problem does that solve? The result is that there will be fewer takedowns, more boring matches. There's enough RT as is
PA highschools used to have 1pt and 2pt riding time but quick to call stalling to top if not actively trying to turn, made wrestling much like Messenbrink's style, I think
Yes, simplify criteria!
Penn State and each other team may do training differently, but I have to agree with Spey that Penn State isnt breaking the mold on recovery and has some secret sauce.
They all recover in similar ways, imo.
maybe the way they train is part of recovery and makes it easier, there's some magic going on at penn state
I say Mitchell is a bigger lock. You guys are writing off Greg, as Gable's a next topic, Gable's beat him, but that was when Greg wasn't 100% healthy, And they were still close matches.
There are no national champions in Mitchell's weight class, The second best guy Mitchell's tech ed multiple times
I always thought “no groin strikes” was a little too restrictive of a rule.
Carter should be #1 gables won a world medal😂 if we’re talking about college it should be Carter.
Messenbrink is better that both. As a Freshman he lost one match, in the finals, against a 2x champ on criteria.
Moreover, he thought he was ahead and didn’t do anything the last 30 seconds and Carr was gassed. Gable is so overrated. He’s great for a HW, but his competition is a joke and he has zero mat game. HW’s a joke
Great night kf erestling in America last night J.D. High school match was fire! Gotta love Shane and the coffee grinder!! Lol
It’s easier to not get hurt for PSU when their kids are dominating opponents.
Isnt sportsmanship a criteria? Carter should be DQ if that's the case. Gable 2x hodge.
Abas vs Hunter 1st takedown he gets called 8 seconds give or take while on top.
99 finals
Gable is not the Hodge winner this year...
why not
Bro kept saying “part of the reason for the rankings” it’s all opinionated it’s all your opinion lol, sounds goofy.
More time before calling a stalemate let em wrestle
Go back to the late 90s early 00s. I think they dinged us for stalling quicker. You would see stalling within 15 seconds.
Still can’t get sound right. lol.
Mitchell mesenbrink my dark horse for hodge
@@cjpfeuferYt dark horse would assume he isn’t one of the favorites. Honestly, it’s quite literally only Between him, Gable, and Starocci…
All 3 are undefeated for now.
All 3 have a 100% bonus rate since All Star classic doesn’t count toward the record.
2 of the 3 have returning national champions at the weight.
I believe sportsmenship is a requirement for hodge… in which I’d say Mesenbrink is actually the favorite of the 3. Seeing as MM has bonuses everyone at his weight already, safe to say he isn’t a dark horse. If Gable doesn’t bonus either Kerk or Wyatt, there’s a likely possibility Mesenbrink wins it.
W S/A FIT CHECK 1:52
Maybe dont allow a ref to work there old schools matches,weather it be h.s. or college! But refs are getting hard to fine! Whos going to police it.nays& yays lol
Jd with his shit takes again
Ref has a shady past as a coach
Levi vs. keegan will be impossible to watch. Zare could never hold a candle to gable, gable will beat it down his leg. The olympic final wasn’t close with geno because they scored it wrong. The standups wouldn’t have mattered then. Gable’s bad par terre defense is a fake overblown narrative. Sidakov being unable to win this recent olympics is also a fake narrative
Why?😊😊
@@daytonasayswhat9333 it’s impossible to find, it’s impossible to even search or find the slightest information about it, no one knows anything about it, the website is sketchy/difficult/not user friendly/not easy to use, there’s zero promotion, you also have to pay multiple fees to watch it, it’s not a guaranteed match, everything about it and surrounding it is a disgrace
@@daytonasayswhat9333 it’s impossible to find, it’s impossible to even search or find the slightest information about it, no one knows anything about it, the website is sketchy/difficult/not user friendly/not easy to use, there’s zero promotion, you also have to pay multiple fees to watch it, it’s not a guaranteed match, everything about it and surrounding it is a disgrace
@@daytonasayswhat9333 it’s impossible to find, it’s impossible to even search or find the slightest information about it, no one knows anything about it, the website is sketchy/difficult/not user friendly/not easy to use, there’s zero promotion, you also have to pay multiple fees to watch it, it’s not a guaranteed match, everything about it and surrounding it is a disgrace
@@daytonasayswhat9333 it’s impossible to even search or find the slightest information about it, it’s impossible to find, no one knows anything about it, the website is sketchy/difficult/not user friendly/not easy to use,
there’s zero promotion, you also have to pay multiple fees to watch it, it’s not a guaranteed match, everything about it and surrounding it is a disgrace
1000th day of saying your audio sucks
Gable is the most gifted wrestler I've ever seen P4P.
Except for that year when he lost twice to a guy who only started 1 year in college.
I’m definitely behind but where’s Ben Askren?
Bo is going to Iowa.