I mean didnt people defeat jailer in wow? I fidnt play wow so idk. But i did play ffxiv and we have defeated endsinger, the enbodment of hopelessness and despair
@@Plight_ maybe in the mmo it will use a wipeout attack to end the battle if certain time passes Just like that one guild boss in CRK that almost kills the whole team if you try to debuff him thrice
It is so hilariously demacian to be like “we should bring man and dragon together so we can get stronger” while also forcing shyvana to the absolute outskirts of demacia because she’s a half dragon and half human
@@travisprescott9708could be a lore detail since the infernal has infamously wrecked havoc alot to the point that the people decided to give it a name
@@kirklandsockeyesalmon We know there are more infernal dragons from the gemdragon text. So yeah maybe Kadregrin is just a particularly troublesome one.
I think that Air Drake has a skull due to the fact that the higher you get the colder it will be. I believe that it adapted the no skin no eyes on the face so that it can reduce the potential for frost bite on their face since it leads with its face. I can see why it has the fur on its neck and arms.
As someone who adores League's lore for its dragons, I'm so hyped for LoR's further expansion of dragons. Seeing Riot care about this side of the lore makes me so happy, and I hope the new hatchling dragon champ will continue to help grow excitement around dragons and their place in Runeterra!!! And just... the Elder Drake as a card is absolutely amazing.
i know we already have aurelion as a dragon, and shyvana half way, but i wouldnt mind one more dragon champion😍😍😍 i love even how the "new" design of the elemental dragons look like, so beautiful
rubinzoo mentioned that kadregrin is the infernal drake. In his lore he is called the infernal and drake of red mountain. So i think the only elemental drake we didnt get yet is hextech drake.
"Can you imagine what the game will look like from the tanks pov? that is just a tiny character staring at a massive claw of a dragon..." ffxiv and gw2 sips tea
Just to clarify a mistake, Alatis the Gallant is the name of the dragon that the "Dragon Allegiant" is riding, so the two cards show the same characters. Necrit mentions them as if Alatis is the rider, and the Dragon Allegiant is a follower. It's wrong.
The best way to do a giant monster battle raid like Elder Dragon is to have an NPC be the "tank" for the fight. Someone titanic enough and important enough to battle the Elder dragon head on, with assistance from players doing objectives on the sides of the battle. Lets say theres some enemy group trapping some dragon wyrms with magic. If we defeat the groups, we can ride those wyrms into battle to assist against Elder. A grandios battle that is so large, we're just supporting characters.
Necrit, it wouldn't be so hard to pull off an Elder Dragon fight, we've seen it be pulled off in Lost Ark. I think it's no coincidence that we had the former director talk with one of the content creators from the Lost Ark community. A lot of these larger than life raids do REALLY WELL in isometric RPGs because you can just take the camera further from the characters and it doesn't hurt the overall gameplay!
I'm not too familiar with these raids in MMOs, but just zooming out the camera doesn't sound like a good solution for a creature THIS massive. I mean, I'm pretty sure the average person is about the height of this thing's eyeball
Something I do have to mention is Guild Wars 2. Literally almost the entire game is based on dealing with absurdly giant Cataclysmic Dragons and I couldn't stop recommending checking out how they were handled there. Some are meh to disappointing (Jormag/Primordius and Zhaitan) due to problems on development, Jormag/Primordius being on pandemic and Zhaitan content was cut to meet deadlines. Others were great Mordremoth and Soo Won The best of all and the heaviest story is Kralkatorrik with multiple confrontations over him from parts of his body to fighting on top of him. If there is a game that literally based more than a decade on fighting gigantic dragons, it is Guild Wars 2, there are many lessons about what to do and what not to do.
Necrit, you should check out Guild Wars 2 and its handling of dragon fights. Almost the entire game is based on killing these ancient cataclysmic and giant dragons, a lot of things were explored that can shed more light on how a fight against such a giant enemy could be properly carried out.
Guild wars 2 have many great giant dragon fights. In those fights there are no tanks, as the dragons attacks are so massive it does not focus them on a single target.
They could make elder dragon a raid by making so every player gets temporary draconic/or other flying mount which could cooperate with your character skills. And whole battle would be you flying around or landing and simply shooting at it, binding it with chains etc. Taunting it could be done by attacking the head as that would grab most attention from it, capture would work by using some magical runes, patriciate chains etc. Of course it is hard to believe that something like that could be implemented in mmo. It could have abilities like: -shooting beams of fire which deals massive damage in a beam. -shooting the ground which spreads flames everywhere around the ground. -swinging it tails and claws which would have massive knockback or/and make you fall to the ground and maybe even require you to run back to your mount -swinging it's wings which would not damage it but push everyone back/ knock people of the mounts/ push everyone to the ground etc. -roar that summons draconic minions, knock backs players -some shattering of earth - It could do massive roll on the ground which could flatten players that would be to close to it, or on the ground
I feel like, the raid for the Elder Dragon would be similar to Safi'jiiva from Monster Hunter, where it's an instanced global raid, set for a short amount of time. And in the instance, rather than defeating Elder Drag, you damage him enough for him to leave. Drops might be scales or talons or etc... and weapons/armor craftable with those materials gained at the end of each raid. The better the groups do, the better the rewards are. Yea, Elder might be a bit TOO big but with a decent camera shift, it could potentially work.
Nice idea As someone who just hit Guiding Lands, I feel like MHWs siege gameplay would fit rather well since safi alone is almost 100x the players size volume wise
To be fair to Riot, we've said probably around 10 million times "There's no way they can do X and make it work. It's been tried so many times before and it's always been a disaster" and they managed to knock it out of the park every time. So I wouldn't exactly give up hope on the raids. It's gonna be difficult to implement, but if there's one company that might find a way, it's definitely Riot
I mean I can already myself think of 3 methods in which they could do a raid with a large group of people against the elder dragon. However, it's meant to be a being that "Cannot be stopped". SO how would they even handle this.
@@Snoozy96Maybe just a time battle. More than fighting, you have to suvirved until time reach zero. Or maybe the battle ends not with ED defear but he just run away to not be bothered anymore.
I'm honestly not sure what raids Necrit is talking about 'cause I don't recognise the pictures he showed. But I already know gargantuan enemies fought by hundreds of players in Guildwars 2 works (though... Zhaitan definitely is an example of it done badly) and the character model used by raid bosses in Final Fantasy XIV is inconsequential.
Guild wars has good ideas for the BIG DRAGON fights and it works well, if they can mimic that we are good, also yeah one thing i have hope for are the mechanics, riot doesnt miss the mark often
1:19 Guild Wars 2 has this kind of boss fights with massive deagons who fully stand on the same ground as you. And yes it looks just like the picture we see behind (well almost, since the dragons are a little bit smaller than what we see here) so yes it's very much been done and possible. Though it's up to riot how they implement it.
06:04 I believe this is a reference to How to Train your Dragon from the scene where Hiccup drew Toothless with a stick on the ground and Toothless watching what he was doing.
Lotro has a nice dragon fight. It holds holes on the cave, so you attack its paws, it falls and you can attack its belly. At the end it dies trying to scape the cave, a rock falls and pierces it.
i mean, they could make the elder fight happen, by making a specific skill for tanks that block an aoe attack, that blocks the claw attacks of the dragon that would cosume maybe 50% of the tanks mana pool, meaning they will need multiple tanks and smashing a million damage dealers on top of that, because the elder dragon would most likely have a massive hp pool
One Great idea i think would be that in the story one of the preparations for the fight would be building demacian anti magic constructs that can be piloted by players. Kinda like mechs. So the Tanks during the battle take position in the Demacian Mechs to fight the Elder Dragon eye to eye while the other players are this massiv horde at the feet of the dragon needing to dodge his feet and fire all they got.
Alatis the Gallant is the dragon, Dragon Allegiant is the person riding it! The flavor from Alatis is a quote from the Allegiant! :D (I got a bit confused too)
Every city has their behemoths now so just "Force" them to fight elder. Sharima had Ascended Warriors (but if it flies there it could fight Renekton, Nasus, Xerath, Aatrox or any other Darkin.) Demacia has Galio, Noxus Has Sion, Shadow Isles has Maoki, Ixtal has Malphite, Bilgewater has The Kraken (Or Nautilus if need be...) and Ionia has an entire arsenal of trees, or if it threatens Ionia, they have Ivern. So i mean in "Scale" as to things that could potentially fight a dragon in this universe... everywhere seems covered.
Maybe they can do it like SWTOR where you have the world bosses and 6 healers are healing one guy because the dragon is focusing him or some kind of barriers and such. Interrupts, covers, I dunno
What if instead of making it a raid 1- Make it a world boss, every 1st sunday of a month he will spawn somewhere on the map and you have to make him retreat (not kill) and he will drop loot (scales, claw, teeth maybe an egg for a special mount) and with the loot you can craft max lvl items ? 2- Make it an NPC for quest / zone there are many possibilities
One way to solve the issues of "Big Fight Makes Small Character Look Goofy!" is to introduce something similar to the Elixir of Iron from LoL which increases your character's size. If PVP balancing is an issue with these, they can be made as "Boss Fight Only Items" which are acquired automatically from an NPC when going into the Boss Fight and activate on their own. Or they could take inspiration from God of War and just have their characters be all fully gigachads who can just simply fight massive beasts. TLDR; Make the character big for the duration of the boss fight and create a lore accurate excuse for it OR do it like in God of War.
it's said that the infernal drake is kadregrin. also, people believe that boadir is the queen of the dragons (the one who slept with the elder drake) since it's also massive in size (in her art she's much bigger than frozen thralls, which are much bigger than humans)
I think it makes sense that demacia is now being friendly to dragons. We have all this lore about them slowly becoming less anti magic between shyvana and sylas
I would also say that dragon fights can still be insanely cool (if you look at Dragonflight, Raszageth and Fyrakk) but yeah maybe that’s just me coping that we’ll eventually be able to fight the Elder Dragon!
5:42 ahem the might of demacia you say, protect Garen while he prays to kayle? giant ass sword to end the battle? whatever the end is, maybe you dont kill it but harvest scales to craft a powerful armor or something like that.
1:30 that's why a Prelude to the raid would be getting Lulu to side with defeating the Elder Dragon.😂😂😂 She could polymorph 1 tank model for specific parts of the encounter so the his size can match it and the fight could have scale.
as a tank ive always wanted a colossal boss fight that you can only see a one foot at a time. distract while dps climb on. cycle aggro between single hits. lead it and taunt it into ambushes and traps. supports helping move the tanks. just have it be an ordeal
A way that rito could do the raid would be that a quest needs to be done to even open the raid, something with bandlecity and getting the help of a mage (maybe lulu) to do size magic and make the elder drake not so massive Perhaps the start of the raid Elder is in his full size and there would be some encounter, getting past him, bringing him down with balistas/canons so that someone like Lulu could shrink him for a while (insert enrage timer)
Bigg 'Ol Dragon Fights can be good and work well, and there are 3 dragon bosses that can prove it Claw of Jormag, Tequalt the Sunless and The Shatterer all from Guild Wars 2
@1:20 it is actually possible. In the MMO Tera, there was a raid for 20-30 people with a dragon of this size. we were split in 5 teams, one for each leg and one for the head (that's where the tank was) it was epic!
Im saddened by the fact that the Ice Drake from Wild Rift was not added to this patch, it would've been cool to see all dragons be in the same place at once (Cloud Drake was replaced by Ice Drake), with cool backstories to them. Hope they add him/her in some way.
If you wanna see MASSIVE Dragon vs teeny tiny tank done Really Really well, look to Guild Wars 2 for the Dragon's Stand and Dragon's End fights (not Zhaitan, that was a unfinished fight pushed out the door to meet the release schedule.) They're fights that span entire zones with 20-100 players against Giant dragons that cause terrain destruction, map wide mechanics, and can absolutely oneshot any player who isn't paying attention. They're also the most hype fights and the most fun I've ever had in any mmo ever.
Kadregin the Infernal is the Infernal drake. He just has a name because he was added with Shyvana and her story when she was added was she was fighting Kadregin.
Kadgregin, the infernal who was added with shyvana some years ago is the infernal drake. Only the hextech drake is missing. And possibly the Ice drake from Wild rift now that I think about it.
i mean for a good massive dragon fight, i really liked the elder dragon from monster hunter, where they used siege weaponry and mechanics instead of just straight damage check, but i feel like people like the large damage numbers they could get from a damage check
I think a cool "raid" idea for the elder dragon could maybe be something monster hunter world siege-esque. I mean in the Safi'jiva fight we are also fighting a dragon 10x the size of the average hunter
the elder dragon could be some sort of wandering elite like WOW instead of a formal raid. like a world boss, youd bring the entire server to take it down or "pacify" it until the next event
Final Fantasy 14 has you fighting massive monsters and gods and dragons and even a sky scraper sized robot at one point. I'm sure riot could pull off an elder dragon raid if they tried.
I regularly solo the elder dragon in LoL as an overgrown yordle boyscout high on shrooms. Them modifying the lore-accurate-ness of size and ability to provide a cool fight isn't unthinkable. It is a game afterall.
While not quite the sheer scale of the art for the elder dragon shown couple big dragon fights that come to mind from FFXIV are vs Shinryu and vs Nidhogg, both of which used different fight designs for their respective battles
Actually as far as size in an mmo is concerned you might want to check out GW2 and the Dragon's Stand event final boss. Mordremoth's outdoor event/world boss' model is silly huge and they "kinda" get it to work.
Regarding the elder raid in mmo. It is possible if we can tame dragons and you have to tame a dragon in order to participate in the raid. Also it would be like a huge raid that would require hundreds of players, maybe even a thousand or more
The one thing that I can think of talking about elder drake raid is to do it like boss fight in monster hunter. And I'm not talking about just big monsters, I am talking about monster hunter world the main boss fight. The dragon was so big, that at first you are tasked to fire canons and trebuchets from a distance at it. But eventually you fly over and land on it. And the whole monster/dragon becomes the map. The ever changing dungeon. And you need to move to his weak point and damage it before it does something. Because realistically dragon that bug wouldn't notice you if you would walk on it. But it would notice if you deal damage to it somehow. So I thing something like this would work really well.
though they definately succeed with large scale enemies in a lot of their open world bosses. It might be scaled down, but if it was about the size of shaddow behemoth in the actual fight I think that could make a really cool fight, though scale really only works if the combat system compliments it.
@@quinnvincent6319 yeah when Necrite says that big bosses are really bad to fight I think that the combat system just need to be in a way that supports big fights. I dont know how the WoW fight system works but it sounds like it wasnt designed for big enemys.
What if the chemtech dragon was actually the one that singed experimented on arcane that he kept alive for all those years and managed to perfected it's form just like Warwick.
pretty hard to make a giant dragon into a raid, but not so hard to make it open world boss. Many MMOs have enormous open world bosses, and some, like GW2, have actually decent fights against huge dragons. Although by the nature of no-challenge full-spectacle nature of open world bosses, it would become stale real fast, unlike proper raid.
Giant fights only really work in first person modes imo. That way you can all feel its size and see it from the proper angles. Tanking isn't possible in the traditional sense of course.
I don't know how you could possibly have the Elder Dragon as a raid boss considering now he canonically "CANNOT BE STOPPED".
*insert exodia moment*
I mean didnt people defeat jailer in wow? I fidnt play wow so idk. But i did play ffxiv and we have defeated endsinger, the enbodment of hopelessness and despair
That's just a wipe mechanic
yeah. it bother me so much Necrit doesnt show the card he talk about, there is a game when the art came from
@@Plight_ maybe in the mmo it will use a wipeout attack to end the battle if certain time passes
Just like that one guild boss in CRK that almost kills the whole team if you try to debuff him thrice
It is so hilariously demacian to be like “we should bring man and dragon together so we can get stronger” while also forcing shyvana to the absolute outskirts of demacia because she’s a half dragon and half human
Ahh Demacia, the nation of prejudice and hypocrisy under one flag, why it doesn't surprise me XD
I mean if you saw a half man half dog you wouldn't call him humanitys best friends right? You would call it a freak.
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@@yigitgns0123 I'd just be making full metal alchemist jokes...
@@Zinz778you should be imprisoned
9:57 The developers confirmed a long time ago that Kadregrin is the infernal dragon.
Weird that they gave the infernal dragon a name but not elder dragon and the other elemental dragons.
@@travisprescott9708could be a lore detail since the infernal has infamously wrecked havoc alot to the point that the people decided to give it a name
@@chiyong8472 highly likely to be the case and shyvanna also know the name of the fire drake
maybe kadregrin is just one of many infernal drakes
@@kirklandsockeyesalmon We know there are more infernal dragons from the gemdragon text. So yeah maybe Kadregrin is just a particularly troublesome one.
We have Kadregrin the Infernal in LoR, which is fair to assume is the Infernal Drake
i think the same. i assume "infernal" is a race of dragons so must be more than one of them around
@@gexianhen The lore text for Gentle Gemdragon explicitly says that "infernal drake" is a species of dragons and that there are multiples.
I think that Air Drake has a skull due to the fact that the higher you get the colder it will be. I believe that it adapted the no skin no eyes on the face so that it can reduce the potential for frost bite on their face since it leads with its face. I can see why it has the fur on its neck and arms.
yeah its not like it can grow fur on its eyes or anything, great theory
So it adapted to have no skin or sensory organs, but somehow still kept the skull, which serves no purpose...
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@@termochila4985Yeah. Pretty much and also what was said before: it leads with it's face.
Also probably is the lightest dragon and birds have very light bones and hallow ones too, so makes sense..
As someone who adores League's lore for its dragons, I'm so hyped for LoR's further expansion of dragons. Seeing Riot care about this side of the lore makes me so happy, and I hope the new hatchling dragon champ will continue to help grow excitement around dragons and their place in Runeterra!!! And just... the Elder Drake as a card is absolutely amazing.
i know we already have aurelion as a dragon, and shyvana half way, but i wouldnt mind one more dragon champion😍😍😍 i love even how the "new" design of the elemental dragons look like, so beautiful
rubinzoo mentioned that kadregrin is the infernal drake. In his lore he is called the infernal and drake of red mountain. So i think the only elemental drake we didnt get yet is hextech drake.
does this mean the other drakes also have names that we just haven't heard yet, or just Kadregrin?
@@Ray-wz8sg every dragon possibly have names, but the human porbably only noted the names of the dragon that they encounter and researches.
@@Ray-wz8sgShyvana call some of them by name. The Screaming one is Severos.
"Can you imagine what the game will look like from the tanks pov? that is just a tiny character staring at a massive claw of a dragon..." ffxiv and gw2 sips tea
Lmao
Just to clarify a mistake, Alatis the Gallant is the name of the dragon that the "Dragon Allegiant" is riding, so the two cards show the same characters.
Necrit mentions them as if Alatis is the rider, and the Dragon Allegiant is a follower. It's wrong.
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The best way to do a giant monster battle raid like Elder Dragon is to have an NPC be the "tank" for the fight. Someone titanic enough and important enough to battle the Elder dragon head on, with assistance from players doing objectives on the sides of the battle.
Lets say theres some enemy group trapping some dragon wyrms with magic. If we defeat the groups, we can ride those wyrms into battle to assist against Elder. A grandios battle that is so large, we're just supporting characters.
Ye let Galio tank it, he should be big enough
@PhantomMiria22 wouldnt gormonth the unscalable be better titanic follower 9 mana
Speaking of Elder Drake raid, Guild Wars 2 has a lot of massive dragon fights. There could be a bit inspiration from there :o
Necrit, it wouldn't be so hard to pull off an Elder Dragon fight, we've seen it be pulled off in Lost Ark. I think it's no coincidence that we had the former director talk with one of the content creators from the Lost Ark community. A lot of these larger than life raids do REALLY WELL in isometric RPGs because you can just take the camera further from the characters and it doesn't hurt the overall gameplay!
Yeah, also look at the world boss fights in Diablo 4 for another great example. That game may have its problems, but the world boss fights are fire
They were great in the beta at level 25 when you actually had to do the mechanics. Now you log in and one shot them lmao@@lantami1199
I'm not too familiar with these raids in MMOs, but just zooming out the camera doesn't sound like a good solution for a creature THIS massive. I mean, I'm pretty sure the average person is about the height of this thing's eyeball
Something I do have to mention is Guild Wars 2.
Literally almost the entire game is based on dealing with absurdly giant Cataclysmic Dragons and I couldn't stop recommending checking out how they were handled there.
Some are meh to disappointing (Jormag/Primordius and Zhaitan) due to problems on development, Jormag/Primordius being on pandemic and Zhaitan content was cut to meet deadlines.
Others were great Mordremoth and Soo Won
The best of all and the heaviest story is Kralkatorrik with multiple confrontations over him from parts of his body to fighting on top of him.
If there is a game that literally based more than a decade on fighting gigantic dragons, it is Guild Wars 2, there are many lessons about what to do and what not to do.
Necrit, you should check out Guild Wars 2 and its handling of dragon fights.
Almost the entire game is based on killing these ancient cataclysmic and giant dragons, a lot of things were explored that can shed more light on how a fight against such a giant enemy could be properly carried out.
Exactly
Necrits lack of gaming experience is showing
Hell dragons dogma true final boss was a raid boss and was a massive dragon
If Guild Wars 2 can pull off massive boss fights, Riot can too
I think fighting massive dragons like this was really well done in GW2, where for example one whole map is basically on top of one
Yep pretty much, if they can mimic kralk boss fights (even the story ones) we are good to go
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@@colinvoorneveld guild wars 2
Oh Jarvan is an expert when it comes to Dragon biology. He spent countless sleepless nights, researching it thoroughly.
Guild wars 2 have many great giant dragon fights. In those fights there are no tanks, as the dragons attacks are so massive it does not focus them on a single target.
For reference, Guild Wars 2 has some awesome world boss fights with giant dragons.
They could make elder dragon a raid by making so every player gets temporary draconic/or other flying mount which could cooperate with your character skills. And whole battle would be you flying around or landing and simply shooting at it, binding it with chains etc. Taunting it could be done by attacking the head as that would grab most attention from it, capture would work by using some magical runes, patriciate chains etc.
Of course it is hard to believe that something like that could be implemented in mmo.
It could have abilities like:
-shooting beams of fire which deals massive damage in a beam.
-shooting the ground which spreads flames everywhere around the ground.
-swinging it tails and claws which would have massive knockback or/and make you fall to the ground and maybe even require you to run back to your mount
-swinging it's wings which would not damage it but push everyone back/ knock people of the mounts/ push everyone to the ground etc.
-roar that summons draconic minions, knock backs players
-some shattering of earth
- It could do massive roll on the ground which could flatten players that would be to close to it, or on the ground
I feel like, the raid for the Elder Dragon would be similar to Safi'jiiva from Monster Hunter, where it's an instanced global raid, set for a short amount of time. And in the instance, rather than defeating Elder Drag, you damage him enough for him to leave. Drops might be scales or talons or etc... and weapons/armor craftable with those materials gained at the end of each raid. The better the groups do, the better the rewards are.
Yea, Elder might be a bit TOO big but with a decent camera shift, it could potentially work.
There was one like that as well in the mmo Blade & Soul, that could really turn out nice
Omgg!! Good Ideaa
Nice idea
As someone who just hit Guiding Lands, I feel like MHWs siege gameplay would fit rather well since safi alone is almost 100x the players size volume wise
Infernal drake is the game already as Kadregrin, the Infernal.
It would be cool if Singed found a wounded dragon hinding in Zaun, so he experimented with it but escaped and is the chemtec-drake
To be fair to Riot, we've said probably around 10 million times "There's no way they can do X and make it work. It's been tried so many times before and it's always been a disaster" and they managed to knock it out of the park every time. So I wouldn't exactly give up hope on the raids. It's gonna be difficult to implement, but if there's one company that might find a way, it's definitely Riot
I mean I can already myself think of 3 methods in which they could do a raid with a large group of people against the elder dragon. However, it's meant to be a being that "Cannot be stopped". SO how would they even handle this.
@@Snoozy96Maybe just a time battle. More than fighting, you have to suvirved until time reach zero. Or maybe the battle ends not with ED defear but he just run away to not be bothered anymore.
I'm honestly not sure what raids Necrit is talking about 'cause I don't recognise the pictures he showed. But I already know gargantuan enemies fought by hundreds of players in Guildwars 2 works (though... Zhaitan definitely is an example of it done badly) and the character model used by raid bosses in Final Fantasy XIV is inconsequential.
Guild wars has good ideas for the BIG DRAGON fights and it works well, if they can mimic that we are good, also yeah one thing i have hope for are the mechanics, riot doesnt miss the mark often
Raid bosses are all boring tho
Kadegren is the infernal drake confirmed by the devs
Guild Wars 2 did massive dragon fights very well in my opinion, a server wide world boss would be fantastic for something like that.
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1:19 Guild Wars 2 has this kind of boss fights with massive deagons who fully stand on the same ground as you. And yes it looks just like the picture we see behind (well almost, since the dragons are a little bit smaller than what we see here) so yes it's very much been done and possible.
Though it's up to riot how they implement it.
The thing I like the most about these cards' art is that dragons have feathers 👀.
Nilah being the joy of the franchise, I love it.
06:04
I believe this is a reference to How to Train your Dragon from the scene where Hiccup drew Toothless with a stick on the ground and Toothless watching what he was doing.
They’re trying to tame the Elder Dragon because if they don’t HE CANNOT BE STOPPED.
damn this makes me want to see a dragon tamer class in the mmo
Elder Dragon's nexus destruct animation is 🤌
Lotro has a nice dragon fight. It holds holes on the cave, so you attack its paws, it falls and you can attack its belly. At the end it dies trying to scape the cave, a rock falls and pierces it.
"I CANNOT BE STOPPED." -King of The Winged Creatures
i mean, they could make the elder fight happen, by making a specific skill for tanks that block an aoe attack, that blocks the claw attacks of the dragon that would cosume maybe 50% of the tanks mana pool, meaning they will need multiple tanks and smashing a million damage dealers on top of that, because the elder dragon would most likely have a massive hp pool
and the gem dragon just looks like a giant goat with wings
Maybe they could make it like a monster hunter fight
One Great idea i think would be that in the story one of the preparations for the fight would be building demacian anti magic constructs that can be piloted by players. Kinda like mechs. So the Tanks during the battle take position in the Demacian Mechs to fight the Elder Dragon eye to eye while the other players are this massiv horde at the feet of the dragon needing to dodge his feet and fire all they got.
The dragon cloud look like that reminiscing vultures and condors to reduce chance of cold damage due the height
I believe we got the aproprieated amount of hype. HE CANNOT BE STOPPED
the air drakes concept gives me Roc vibes of a giant winged bird with the skull for a head
Alatis the Gallant is the dragon, Dragon Allegiant is the person riding it!
The flavor from Alatis is a quote from the Allegiant! :D
(I got a bit confused too)
Every city has their behemoths now so just "Force" them to fight elder. Sharima had Ascended Warriors (but if it flies there it could fight Renekton, Nasus, Xerath, Aatrox or any other Darkin.) Demacia has Galio, Noxus Has Sion, Shadow Isles has Maoki, Ixtal has Malphite, Bilgewater has The Kraken (Or Nautilus if need be...) and Ionia has an entire arsenal of trees, or if it threatens Ionia, they have Ivern. So i mean in "Scale" as to things that could potentially fight a dragon in this universe... everywhere seems covered.
Maybe they can do it like SWTOR where you have the world bosses and 6 healers are healing one guy because the dragon is focusing him or some kind of barriers and such. Interrupts, covers, I dunno
What if instead of making it a raid
1- Make it a world boss, every 1st sunday of a month he will spawn somewhere on the map and you have to make him retreat (not kill) and he will drop loot (scales, claw, teeth maybe an egg for a special mount) and with the loot you can craft max lvl items ?
2- Make it an NPC for quest / zone there are many possibilities
One way to solve the issues of "Big Fight Makes Small Character Look Goofy!" is to introduce something similar to the Elixir of Iron from LoL which increases your character's size. If PVP balancing is an issue with these, they can be made as "Boss Fight Only Items" which are acquired automatically from an NPC when going into the Boss Fight and activate on their own.
Or they could take inspiration from God of War and just have their characters be all fully gigachads who can just simply fight massive beasts.
TLDR; Make the character big for the duration of the boss fight and create a lore accurate excuse for it OR do it like in God of War.
Once next week comes I WILL NOT BE STOPPED
it's said that the infernal drake is kadregrin. also, people believe that boadir is the queen of the dragons (the one who slept with the elder drake) since it's also massive in size (in her art she's much bigger than frozen thralls, which are much bigger than humans)
They could do the massive dragon fights like they've done some of them in Guild Wars 2, best mechanics for fighting a massive dragon I've ever seen
The Ocean drake sort of feels like a pelican, which makes sense when it feeds on fish
I think it makes sense that demacia is now being friendly to dragons. We have all this lore about them slowly becoming less anti magic between shyvana and sylas
2:26 Ah yes, Jarvan's, uh, *research*. It seems to be going pretty well, and should hatch sometime next year.
Damn it Necrit. How dare you make me remember Deathwings spine raid encounter 😭
,,Massive Dragon Fights are bad,, Monster Hunter Franchise: Hold my Beer
I would also say that dragon fights can still be insanely cool (if you look at Dragonflight, Raszageth and Fyrakk) but yeah maybe that’s just me coping that we’ll eventually be able to fight the Elder Dragon!
Im willing to bet that the cloud drake is feeling the cold.
One could say he's feeling it in his bones
5:42 ahem the might of demacia you say, protect Garen while he prays to kayle? giant ass sword to end the battle? whatever the end is, maybe you dont kill it but harvest scales to craft a powerful armor or something like that.
Imagine if the Elder dragon MMO raid required players to be mounted on their own dragons and it was an aerial raid up in the clouds. That'd be cool.
10:00 LoR already has Kadregrin the Infernal, who is an Infernal Drake. Nice research bro.
1:30 that's why a Prelude to the raid would be getting Lulu to side with defeating the Elder Dragon.😂😂😂
She could polymorph 1 tank model for specific parts of the encounter so the his size can match it and the fight could have scale.
"they can't do it for shyvana cuz the model is too.... elongated"
Aurelion sol: *exists*
as a tank ive always wanted a colossal boss fight that you can only see a one foot at a time. distract while dps climb on. cycle aggro between single hits. lead it and taunt it into ambushes and traps. supports helping move the tanks. just have it be an ordeal
A way that rito could do the raid would be that a quest needs to be done to even open the raid, something with bandlecity and getting the help of a mage (maybe lulu) to do size magic and make the elder drake not so massive
Perhaps the start of the raid Elder is in his full size and there would be some encounter, getting past him, bringing him down with balistas/canons so that someone like Lulu could shrink him for a while (insert enrage timer)
4:24 "We dont know who made the chemtech drake"
I'd like to take a guess as to who made it
Bigg 'Ol Dragon Fights can be good and work well, and there are 3 dragon bosses that can prove it
Claw of Jormag, Tequalt the Sunless and The Shatterer all from Guild Wars 2
@1:20 it is actually possible. In the MMO Tera, there was a raid for 20-30 people with a dragon of this size. we were split in 5 teams, one for each leg and one for the head (that's where the tank was) it was epic!
To be fair, Lineage did something like that dragon raid, countless times and it was EPIC.
Im saddened by the fact that the Ice Drake from Wild Rift was not added to this patch, it would've been cool to see all dragons be in the same place at once (Cloud Drake was replaced by Ice Drake), with cool backstories to them. Hope they add him/her in some way.
If you wanna see MASSIVE Dragon vs teeny tiny tank done Really Really well, look to Guild Wars 2 for the Dragon's Stand and Dragon's End fights (not Zhaitan, that was a unfinished fight pushed out the door to meet the release schedule.) They're fights that span entire zones with 20-100 players against Giant dragons that cause terrain destruction, map wide mechanics, and can absolutely oneshot any player who isn't paying attention. They're also the most hype fights and the most fun I've ever had in any mmo ever.
Kadregin the Infernal is the Infernal drake. He just has a name because he was added with Shyvana and her story when she was added was she was fighting Kadregin.
Kadgregin, the infernal who was added with shyvana some years ago is the infernal drake. Only the hextech drake is missing.
And possibly the Ice drake from Wild rift now that I think about it.
I just realized how much this whole thing reminds me of the "how to tame your dragon" movies!
i mean for a good massive dragon fight, i really liked the elder dragon from monster hunter, where they used siege weaponry and mechanics instead of just straight damage check, but i feel like people like the large damage numbers they could get from a damage check
It would be really cool if we got a Shyvana storyline with the elder dragon.
Imagine you live your life free and then some humans come along who want to "tame" you to do whatever they ask
I think a cool "raid" idea for the elder dragon could maybe be something monster hunter world siege-esque. I mean in the Safi'jiva fight we are also fighting a dragon 10x the size of the average hunter
tbh, sizewise Elder looks more like Dalamadur kind of fight rather than Safi
A Total War Runeterra would be amazing. Imagine the armies vs the dragon in a gory stile like total war warhammer. I can dream.
They can always retcon hextech drakes to simply be arcane drakes, having the same energy source has hextech but not actually being a robot
the elder dragon could be some sort of wandering elite like WOW instead of a formal raid. like a world boss, youd bring the entire server to take it down or "pacify" it until the next event
the flames on the egg match the horns of the elder drake.
GW2 does massive dragon fights pretty well.
It just occurred to me that next year is the year of the dragon.
Jarven The IV is VERY friendly towards dragons.
Final Fantasy 14 has you fighting massive monsters and gods and dragons and even a sky scraper sized robot at one point. I'm sure riot could pull off an elder dragon raid if they tried.
I regularly solo the elder dragon in LoL as an overgrown yordle boyscout high on shrooms.
Them modifying the lore-accurate-ness of size and ability to provide a cool fight isn't unthinkable. It is a game afterall.
While not quite the sheer scale of the art for the elder dragon shown couple big dragon fights that come to mind from FFXIV are vs Shinryu and vs Nidhogg, both of which used different fight designs for their respective battles
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The entire guild wars franchise outside of kralkatorrik
10:43 Himerdinger probably cooking something.
Actually as far as size in an mmo is concerned you might want to check out GW2 and the Dragon's Stand event final boss. Mordremoth's outdoor event/world boss' model is silly huge and they "kinda" get it to work.
Regarding the elder raid in mmo. It is possible if we can tame dragons and you have to tame a dragon in order to participate in the raid. Also it would be like a huge raid that would require hundreds of players, maybe even a thousand or more
The one thing that I can think of talking about elder drake raid is to do it like boss fight in monster hunter. And I'm not talking about just big monsters, I am talking about monster hunter world the main boss fight. The dragon was so big, that at first you are tasked to fire canons and trebuchets from a distance at it. But eventually you fly over and land on it. And the whole monster/dragon becomes the map. The ever changing dungeon. And you need to move to his weak point and damage it before it does something. Because realistically dragon that bug wouldn't notice you if you would walk on it. But it would notice if you deal damage to it somehow. So I thing something like this would work really well.
the elder dragon looks like he is giving gransax a run for his money size wise
it would be so funny if the new dragon hatchling also had an ability called I CANNOT BE STOPPED
Massiv dragon fights are somewhat good done in the MMO Guild Wars 2 even if some fights against the " Eldar Dragons" are not as good as others.
though they definately succeed with large scale enemies in a lot of their open world bosses. It might be scaled down, but if it was about the size of shaddow behemoth in the actual fight I think that could make a really cool fight, though scale really only works if the combat system compliments it.
@@quinnvincent6319 yeah when Necrite says that big bosses are really bad to fight I think that the combat system just need to be in a way that supports big fights. I dont know how the WoW fight system works but it sounds like it wasnt designed for big enemys.
Jarvan got a bit to friendly with a dragon. Now we have a new champ.
What if the chemtech dragon was actually the one that singed experimented on arcane that he kept alive for all those years and managed to perfected it's form just like Warwick.
necrut's gyatt oiled up
0:17 aha it's you (necrit effect)
pretty hard to make a giant dragon into a raid, but not so hard to make it open world boss. Many MMOs have enormous open world bosses, and some, like GW2, have actually decent fights against huge dragons.
Although by the nature of no-challenge full-spectacle nature of open world bosses, it would become stale real fast, unlike proper raid.
I wonder if Aurelion Sol is part of any of this? Would be cool to see a god dragon fight the oldest dragon...or better yet, team up!
Giant fights only really work in first person modes imo. That way you can all feel its size and see it from the proper angles. Tanking isn't possible in the traditional sense of course.