If you're in the United States it depends on the state you're in. like California, Virginia, Colorado, Massachusetts & others have laws requiring company's give this info. i think usually it's within a certain amount of time or they can face penalties.
This is really the only topic I'm still following cod content for at this point. I've moved on from playing but do have some interest in understanding from the hard data where the franchise might have gone wrong and managed to remove all the fun from the game.
I hate how so many modern AAA games are made by psych majors who want to manipulate engagement and spending rather than just earning by making a good game.
@@cobaltcardsgaming5982 I concur. I get Activision is a business and at the end of the day all businesses need to make money, but their excessive greed has forced too many poor game designs on these devs and they're actively destroying the sense of community that CoD had in its glory days.
I requested the data 10 minutes after you released that initial video. I still have not received it. Can’t wait to send it to you. Thank you for everything you do for the community. This is really awesome work!
Try to expand to other games. Battlefield players had to do this a while ago, and some like myself found temporal refuge in CoD 2019 and Warzone. Now I feel at home playing The Finals, developped by the same people from BF3-BF4 and Mirrors Edge. Even some cosmetics are actually worth it both in price an appearance
I remember playing bo3 domination and running into extremely casual people one game and doom members another game, never bothered me cause you can get slammed one lobby and dominate another lobby, that’s what made the game FUN!
That's a huge issue like you said.. A player going negative and having a higher skill rating but feeling like they're awful at the game. Versus an average dude who goes off vs a bad lobby and has a lower skill rating and feels like they're the best. A bad player logging on usually has an easier time winning a game than an above avg player and that's not a sustainable model.
It doesn't work that way mate.good players know that they are on difficult lobbies or easy lobbies. You can't go negative and be a good player . A good player means that you are positive most of the times and you are top of the leaderboard. I have 2 kd ,I have nukes etc I don't manipulate anything I just get on and play and I play the objective consistently.
@@elg7365 ur literally the reason why they get away with this. You don't even understand what's happening and arguing against an idea with reasoning that just confirms it.
I believe that your implying that having a negative skill rating would indicate a bad in game experience. I would not get too hung up on this idea as it may not be true. Your game experience may great, but your skill level shows as negative. A great example of this outside of video games is in Chess. Magnus Carlsen has stated previously that his chess skill level is declining, but its declining because the other players are not good enough. And in fact its such an issue he has chosen to not defend his World Chess Champion title. Simply put it does not matter if Magnus Carlson wins or losses his skill level will decrease because none of his opponents are skilled high enough. Its possible that something similar is occurring with these negative skill values that you are seeing and the in game experience may not be as bad as it would imply.
SBMM, I ignored it, but now i see it! One game i go good with my team cant pull over 4 kills (SnD only btw), next game i got japanese prestige 10 all PC on other team with my 78ping because the game decides to search 190+ping after a good game whenever i search and again and again.... like it wants me to suffer. Crossplay is always off! SICK & TIRED of PC cheaters!
@@RedheadReff I'll bet most of the PC players who discredit controller players by comparing aim assist to aimbot, probably would still lose to a good player with it turned off. Chances are, if they can beat you with it on, they'll still beat you with it off.
I’ve been following along these past few weeks, but Seriously, this is so scummy. You could have told me this was a video on ranked play and I wouldn’t have bat an eye. The fact that so much goes in to public matches is just gross. Mainly because it’s a game I used to love, and still do to an extent, being so manipulative with me. It’s like I’m in an abusive relationship and I’m just now seeing things for how they really are.
That's exactly how I've described my feelings towards Activision: like you're in an abusive relationship. On the one hand, we've grown up loving this series; on the other hand, we've become nothing more than pawns to be manipulated for the purposes of increasing Activision's returns to their shareholders. Apparently, in their zeal to go public and make the big bucks, they've forgotten who the games were originally made for. Therefore, that's why I tell everybody: #UninstallCoD #BoycottCallofDuty #BoycottWarzone #BoycottCoD
I doubt Activision would show the average lobby skill rating at the start of a map because if they did people would lobby shop looking for the lowest average skill rating they can find. However, it might be interesting if they showed it at the end of the map with a comparison with the player's skill rating. This would allow a player to see how they did against the average e.g. did they do well against a lobby with an average higher than their own or did they perform badly against a lobby with an average skill rating lower than the player's.
That would be great, Id love to know if the games I get absolutely thumped in are because its put me in a god lobby or I wasn't paying attention in and it was actually average.
The reason why they don’t want us to see our skill rating is because it’s not a real number. It varies based on the lobbies you are in and not your overall skill. What I’m interested to see is if you buy skins, does it impact your lobbies? This is a more important test as it will either confirm or deny the theory that spending money equates to easier lobbies.
that is very easy to prove by people buying things, I can tell you I bought my first skin ever and the lobbies were not easier so, no, it doesn't affect your skill rating
Used to work that way back in mw2019, buy something from shop and it was easy ppl to kill. They really wanted me to show off the new stuff in the shop.
Correct. It's not a stable number that will predictably go up or down a bit depending on how "well" you've done past 5 matches or whatever (like your rank in Ranked Play would). It's just relative to your lobby in last game - if you get matched to a skilled lobby avg score +300 and you're at -400... your score will go up at end of match *even if you get zero kills* and get like 200 score total. For BO6 mine varies wildly from +120 to -600, often within a span of a few games (though on average it's around -300).
@@Yuuki_Asuna really depends from my experience. CW - MW22, buying a bundle and playing a match after felt incredibly sweaty compared to the matches before. MW23 on the other hand, did the opposite for me tbh. Didn't really buy too many bundles on MW23, but after purchasing a few (especially the Darryl skin) my lobbies have just been nothing but complete bot lobbies, with maybe 1 or 2 other players actually being able to do decent.
You're a proper treasure, Ace. Observation and analysis without presumption or hyperbole. Someone whose goal is absolutely the acquisition and sharing of knowledge, and not just the view count. You have my utmost respect and admiration. All power to you, sir x
I'm actually glad that you would actually go out of your to study this. That is definitely why your 1 of the best call of duty youtubers. Good information that is well researched instead of assuming things and just seeing everything in the negatives like blame the truth or Nero does. I love your content.❤️❤️❤️ and I will be happy when your gonna break down the lmgs in your weapon guides
you're by far the most empirical content creator in this community. I don't even play bo6 but your videos are so engaging and thorough i cant help but watch
Asked for the Data one or two days after your video on it and still nothing in sight, but will share this Data with you so it can help you decorticate a bit all this information! Very nice from you as always, thanks!
I haven’t played COD for two years and I’m still enthralled watching your videos. You’re doing some great content. I’m hoping COD gets to a game that I want to play again, but my hopes aren’t high for it.
Hey Ace, just be aware that one issue you might have with the data coming in is people that play with friends. It could have a similar effect to the 2 boxing players data and skew the lobby data and overall skill rating of the player relative to their true K/D. Also, I suspect your recent W/L is a big component into what your lobby skill rating is going to be. It seems like your are not allowed to win 3 games in a row in modern COD without the 4th game getting totally stomped by high skill rating players.
@ yes I back out all the time to skew SBMM in my favor. If it gives me a crappy match I instantly back out. I play the ones that are fun and competitive but I’m not playing when people are smashing me because the system said it was time for it
I don’t play COD anymore but I do find this really interesting… my skill PLUMMETED after MW2019. To a degree that made me *so* confused as to what happened between games…My experience between 2019, and II, and III was night and day. The only thing I could think of was either some tweak to the damage values or the SBMM system that I wasn’t privy to… and the data is leaning towards the latter.
Have not got mine yet, but i can share when i do. For me its all about finding out how it looks the 3 first days after starting a new game, or after returning after a long break or after buying bundle/battle pass, compared the the days after. Im also wondering about early warzone 1, as i played dual sniper and how that affects the skill ratio, cause my k/d should not be dramatic high due to me beeing that one guy dropping on loadout 10 times with zero care, cause i want to play with my loadout.
@shari0nplaying slow or methodically is generally better for a good K/D than playing fast and being constantly rushing around to new places (even though streamers will have you think otherwise) So I’m not sure that will be the case
Really insightful analysis! I think there are some fascinating opportunities to dig deeper into the temporal aspects of this data that weren't covered. Since we have timestamp data for each match, we could analyse skill rating volatility across different times of day and days of the week. This could reveal whether SBMM behaves differently during peak vs off-peak hours when player pools are different sizes. Additionally, I'd suggest implementing a time-series decomposition to separate the 'roller coaster' effect into its trend, seasonal, and residual components. This could help quantify how much of the skill rating variation is systematic vs random. Using something like an autocorrelation function (ACF) could also reveal if there are any consistent patterns in how long it takes for skill ratings to cycle between peaks and troughs. For the correlation analysis between KD ratio and skill rating, I'd recommend using Spearman's rank correlation instead of Pearson's, since the relationship appears non-linear at higher skill levels. You might also want to look at conditional probability distributions - i.e., given a player's current skill rating, what's the probability distribution of their next match's rating? This could help characterise the 'rubber-banding' effect more precisely. I've done similar analyses on other games' matchmaking systems, and one thing that often proves insightful is looking at the first derivative (rate of change) of skill ratings rather than just the absolute values. This can reveal whether the system adjusts ratings more aggressively after certain types of matches.
Finally I got to request my data! I'm so exited to see what the data looks like considering I've been try-harding this game since mw2019. Just took 5 attempts to get the request to go through.
In the last CoD, I always played the s2 map pack, s3 map pack, s4 map pack. I found there was often seemingly minimal sbmm and I could regularly dominate with 3kd and 4kd. When I went into the regular general playlist, I didn't really enjoy the game at all.
Ran-snack definitely had no SBMM, I haven't played as much Cod in years as I did when that playlist was out, it genuinely felt like old cod and my EKIA/D for the prestiges I was doing it was up to a full point higher than in the other lobbies.
Hey Ace, if I could make a request, when you do the video can you take a look how K/D ratio correlates with W/L ratio? It seemed when I first started that everyone who was above a 1.0 K/D had a negative W/L, and a lot of people with a negative K/D had a positive W/L. Would be interesting to see if that is true when you get the data. Thanks for taking the time to do work on all this skill rating stuff and keeping the community informed.
I could pretty much guarantee that K/D ratio and W/L ratio have an inverse correlation amongst the community. And it’s not because Activision/COD is conspiring against “good” players with high K/D. It’s because people that value K/D over all else pretty much screw over their objective playing teammates every match by not making any effort whatsoever to try and contribute to winning the match and thus the low W/L.
I'm glad K/D isn't the most important because my K/D is only 1.4, but I'm an objective player and I play Ranked. I die a lot just trying to capture points because teammates won't.
My scrub ass should be useful as my skill rating varied from -500 to -200. I've also been no lifing BO6 so I'm at Prestige Master, so there's a good sample size, and I do have a sub 1 KD while mostly playing Domination, so score per minute vs k/d will be easy to tell. I'm almost certainly bottom 5%, if not 1%, of your regular viewers, so you know, still coping about that, but happy to help.
I’m in the exact same boat as you, prestige mater, play dom/hard point and k/d is around 1 and my skill rating floats around -200 to -500 so I would what makes playing obj so weak
I requested my data. I will send it over once I get it. I will say however as someone that works with data fairly frequently for my IRL job this data is mostly useless... but it will be interesting to see what you come up with. A) You need to understand how the values were calculated. Without this knowledge it makes it very difficult if not impossible to be able to make any inferences from the data being viewed. B) Has said calculation changed over the release of the game? I would say its highly likely that the method used to calculate the values you are looking at has changed overtime. Likely has changed, multiple times, since the launch of the most recent version of the game. C) You need to have some sort of known baseline to compare the data against. You may be able to achieve this by having people share there data with you, but its unlikely that you will be able to collect enough data samples. Plus points A and B are still a problem. D) Data manipulation. Even if you can solve for points A, B, and C you than have to deal with the possibility that the data you have received has been manipulated. And I would define manipulation here as some sort of user exploitation, cheating, or any other known/unknown factor that has skewed the data. Honestly this is likely a significant problem even for Activision to overcome and you will have zero chance of being able to overcome this. I could go on, but I feel this drives the point home... And I suspect that the reason why we are not provided access to a skill ratting of sorts in the game directly is likely due to some of these factors mentioned above along with a number of other reasons. And really has nothing to do with Activision hiding anything.
It looks like SBMM (for B06 at least) wants you to average 0. When you do well it records that you have a positive skill value and it increases difficulty to force you back to 0, but it ALWAYS overcorrects which sends you negative, and that makes everything easier. I have a wild rollercoaster where I keep peaking at 300, then it crashes me down to -100 to -200 before working back up to 300. I do also need to consider that I've been camo grinding and I don't do it "in order" so I'll randomly work on a launcher, pistol, or melee until I get board then swap to an AR or SMG. But it feels and looks to me like it wants to force people into the 0 range, and it looks like once you get above a certain skill it can't push down (so ace for instance keeps getting pushed to the 200 range). Just my thoughts.
Yep, I’ve made an alt account this week. Played pubs until I got 50 wins, absolutely smashed it. Went into my first game of ranked and had to play against pretty good G3 /P3 players..
Literally couldn’t be happier I gave up cod 1.5 years ago. Played for over a decade. Seriously guys, you gotta break away and find a better use of your time. I wish I had used that time to acquire real life skills and invest in relationships with other people in real life.
One huge problem that needs fixed is the backwards reticle movement they launched with mw2. All my OG friends stopped playing because of it. 12 years of brain training and muscle memory down the drain and 3 years later I still cannot learn this backwards mechanic. Perhaps this was done deliberately in order to give the newbs an advantage over us COD vets. However the ill advised move backfired and caused my 20+ crew to literally quit. They want returning players to stay when verdansk launches they need to revert the reticle mechanic back to 2019 status or COD will loose the OG base forever.
Camping away from objectives doesn’t affect your skill level unless you do extremely bad I think. There’s a stat that says “percentage of time moving” my lowest were 23% & 32% where I’ve went 49-7 & 30-10. Skill ratings for those were 310 & 400. These games were like months ago way before BO6 even came out in MW3.
I'm not the young guy I once was, but I've been a crimson ranked player for 3 years in a row now. The fact that my KDR (or even worse, elims) has hovered around 1.4 in the modern era despite it frequently being in the 2.5 to 4.5 range during the golden age of COD is extremely concerning. Public matches should absolutely not be setup this way on the roller coaster scale, it's terrible. I quit so many games now and just don't care about my win record at all. More often than not, I just close the game altogether when I feel the SBMM deciding I have to lose in PUBLIC MATCHES. Oh btw, can't play ranked anymore because the cheating is 90% of matches and Activision/TreyArch or whoever is in charge just does not care at all. Overwatch is getting stomped by Marvel Rivals right now and I really wish there was a franchise to stomp COD.
That rollercoaster in some peoples graphs definitely mirrors how it feels to play even though I watch this Channel I'd say I'm still Average maybe slightly below Average (usually stay around a 1.0 on but W/L and K/D though with BO6 my Domination W/L is like a 3.something) and it feels like sometimes I'll be cruising along doing pretty good like Top 3 players on my team and then all the sudden I'll just have like 5 games in a row where I'll just get destroyed and have players doing crazy movement and playing great and then it'll go back to where I'm doing good again I don't really mind though I'm not a Competitive person I'll try my best but if I'm on a losing streak I'll just tell the other Team GGs and move on I also tend to just want to have fun so I'll go for 360 trick shots even though I never get them, or dive over every corner just to have fun even if it gets me killed
I have an idea, what if we could get as many people in the community to put their average skill rating over the lifecycle of the game in their clan tag? If it catches on, it could be a game wide thing.
I’m still waiting for mine, but VERY CURIOUS. I’m above average and went sweaty in MW19/22 but also did mastery camos. But in MW23 and BO6 I was tired of manipulation and stopped trying. And even for awhile while doing the melee/launcher weapons in BO6… I would feed enemies to give them THEIR headshots since I know the pain and again fed up with manipulative gameplay.
Rolling averages explains a lot of my experiences. I’ll start every play session with just kinda average like pretty decent match. The lobby is pretty sweaty but not insane. I’m “okay”. I’ll do that for 3/4 games then from there I won’t struggle. That’s an understatement! Like I’ll be going like 11-25 for like 3-4 games straight and this is when I fully expect to be essentially in 2 box esque lobbies for how poorly I’ve been doing. That’s not the case though. I’ll be put back into those lobbies where every gunfight is tight and kinda sweaty but I just perform to my average 25-13 perhaps 🤷🏻♂️ that will last for about 3-4 games and I fully expect to be thrown back into a CDL tourney but then for no reason whatsoever I’ll be thrown into the biggest bot lobby ever. Like so much so it’s almost as if I 2 boxed pre patch. That will last for 2 games then I’ll be thrown into not bot lobbies not “my skill” lobbies and not lobbies where I’m going double negative but “even lobbies” like where I’m going 20-20 for 3/4 games.
I have a couple of huge negative dips like -120. I also am seeing the roller coaster effect. Still sorting through my data but BO6 looks like a low of ~90, high of ~300, average ~180. (This isn’t a calculation btw just by memory). MWIII and II were more like 420 high, 350 average, 200 low.
Step by step, we will solve this. I do suspect Activision is going to purposefully obfuscate things to make it more difficult but it's going to get exposed sooner or later
The difference in skill ratings between games could be caused by the age of the games. If the way changes in your rating are determined after each game result and a net increase when averaged across the entire lobby, the average skill rating of the player base will increase over time. You also should consider that players who cared to send their data for older games may have done so because they put a lot of time into those games, and will have a higher skill rating. You are not necessarily getting an unbiased sample of players. The data you showed regarding two-boxing also makes me think the devs implemented a system similar to Elo in chess. It makes sense for them to do so because Elo is a well-established system that removes a lot of the guesswork. With this system, a death or a loss against a player with a lower rating than you will result in a much bigger drop in skill level than if you were killed by a player with a higher rating than you, so you tend to be pushed back to a point where you are a similar skill level and rating to those you play against. The roller coaster effect could be created pretty easily by delaying the effects that games have on your skill rating. If a good game doesn't affect your rating until a few more games have passed, then you are allowed to do very well or very poorly for several games in a row before the sbmm actually corrects where your skill level should be. For example, if you start with a rating of 100 and do well, you keep your 100 rating. Then after you have done well for 5 or so games, your rating starts to climb to 200 or 300 and you do poorly, but the games where you do poorly will not cause your skill rating to drop until several games in the future. This would cause your skill rating to continue climbing temporarily, even if you are doing very poorly. More clearly start at a low rating -> do well for several games -> rating starts you go up -> you do worse, but your rating keeps going up for a few games -> you have done poorly for several matches -> rating starts going down -> you do better, but your rating keeps going down -> you are at a low rating and do well Then the cycle repeats. This is actually how all second order systems work. This is a great video about second order systems if you want to see more. th-cam.com/video/O85OWBJ2ayo/w-d-xo.html
You know even if they want to keep the skill value hidden if they introduced something like leagues (C grade B grade A, AA, AAA) like they do with sport with anything A+ being professional level ...if they had something like that to just give you a general idea of your own progression
I’ll happily send my skill data when I get it… if I ever get it. What I have gotten is several emails about the squid games skins available for purchase.
I’m still waiting on mine. But I’ll send it to you as soon as I get it. I only play resurgence though so not sure if that will affect your data analysis.
@thexclusiveace it might be useful to compare someone's sr vs lobby data from the previous cod titles that allowed that info to be seen (wzstats, etc). That might give you some insight into the sr vs lobby strength relationship
you mentioned that LTMs don’t affect skill rating but what about 10v10 or stuff like face off mosh pits? there’s apparently a general trend where 10v10 apparently has a “lower SBMM” factor
Im interested in helping out for sure! I think a useful stat would probably be your position in the match - would it be helpful if I tracked mine over the next while and submitted this as well?
Yeah, that's been my takeaway for awhile. There should be a small amount of SBMM but for casual playlists, don't have super thick algorithms. It's literally what made me stop playing Cod. I'm glad now that people can see what all the "haters," cuz that's apparently what I've become, have been saying for years. If there was transparency and I could see my skill rating, I don't think I'd complain, but if you're going to make casual the new ranked and not tell me, I'm not going to stick around. It sucks. It's a bad feeling system.
I don't think the LTMs impact your stats or skill level at all. The squid game modes don't count in your combat record and won't impact your W/L or E/D ratio. They don't even show up as your last played match.
I thought about getting my data but then questioned, what exactly would be the point? Will the game get better? NO. Will cheating get lower? No. Will SBMM get toned? Nope... I appreciate people like ACE doing this sort of research, but honestly nothing will change unless you hit ACTI wallet. Become one of the statistics that have abandoned the game, and then and only then, will we start seeing a measurable change to the way they do things.
I could be wrong, but didn’t one of the white papers confirm that even ranked play is based on your skill rating, not just your rank? When I first started playing ranked mp this year with some of my sweaty friends, the bronze lobbies were sweaty af. But when I queued with an irl friend who was gold (but not as good at the game) and his other gold buddies, lobbies were much easier.
The statistic I'd really like to see is unachievable at this point. I would like to see what the overall feel and acceptance of the game would be to players without all the analysis/exposure/etc. Like, what would we really be thinking if we all just played the game? The "control" of the experiment, if you will. As a software developer (not games), I do appreciate all that has come to light, and I'm curious about it all and enjoy the analysis. I try not to think about any of this when I'm playing though. It will either be fun or not, and if it is not, I will stop playing.
Wasnt there a thing a while back that if you bought something for $ they would put you in a lobby youd dominate with people who used similar guns to you to show off the skin so the guy who just got his ass beat would see the skin in the kill cam and youd be a beast for a few games with your shiny new skin? wasn't that a patent or something?
There was a patent for this but I haven't seen any solid evidence of it being implemented in the game. I wouldn't be too surprised to see this one active but I'm not interested in buying a ton of bundles to test this. One big thing to know about patents is the vast majority of patented ideas will never actually make it to market so I know a lot of people will jump on the existence of a patent as confirmation that the ideas in the patent are in use but we really don't know unless they reveal it officially or unless someone manages to prove it with a proper study (which is difficult to do wince we can't see lobby skill data).
Skill should be shown after the match. Stops players "shopping around" for easy lobbies at the start but lets you know if you lost legit or got put with players outside your wheelhouse
Create your own video game and include a skill Rating if thats what you see fit.stop trying to tell a billion dollar compny how they should make their game you sound dumb and clueless. Ur literally a nobody
You have zero experience making video games. You also arent in charge of a multi billion dollar company. So just shut ur mouth and stop trying to suggest what “should be in the fame” thats the reason why the cod community is the dumpster fire it is today because theres thousands of people justnlike You who really believe their opinion matters
if activision allowed players to see the overall skill rating in public lobbies, then I imagine people would just start backing out if they see a level that they consider too high for them. And activision will never allow that.
@@spartanx169x Nobody cares about how they do or how much their challenged its casual people are there to fuck around with friends and grind camos. This a system that belongs in ranked/competitive games.
@@MC_605 You may be right, you may be completely wrong. Unless you have a source that says otherwise. Other games(not COD) had this information and its always beneficial to the player to be able to see it.
The 'Pentathathon' Gamemode in BO6 also does not contribute to your k/d or w/l stats. Not sure why no one has mentioned this the entire time. I like it but I'm not going to play it if they don't record my stats lmao.
This is the most frustrating information release ever. Activision was gaslighting us all for years making Ace and Driftor run full investigations to determine that there was in fact SBMM. Then as soon as they can’t even deny it anymore they just switch the argument and say it’s better for everyone if we have it. Ping is not king. I have 20ms of latency on west region and my lobbies consistently have 70+ping . I’m sorry everyone can ignore me this has just made me schizo
Thank you EU for having actual laws for this kinda stuff
If you're in the United States it depends on the state you're in. like California, Virginia, Colorado, Massachusetts & others have laws requiring company's give this info. i think usually it's within a certain amount of time or they can face penalties.
Common EU W, this is coming from an American
@@iddqdgodmode if you’re from another state do you think they still need to give it?
@@iddqdgodmode i asked about 1 week ago and havent received anything. WTH activision being weird.
Im eu is there a law to get out of a shadowbann?
Great to see the COD community developing their Microsoft Excel skills
Libreoffice, its free, screw microsoft.
Skill based excel making wil be the next topic 😏
As a career long intermediate-level excel user (at best), can attest to the benefits of this skill. 😆
@@craciunator99 😂👌💯
@@craciunator99he said while playing a game owned by Microsoft 🤣
This is really the only topic I'm still following cod content for at this point. I've moved on from playing but do have some interest in understanding from the hard data where the franchise might have gone wrong and managed to remove all the fun from the game.
I stopped about 4 years ago and this is the only content I keep up with as well. I moved on to CounterStrike
Same, stopped partway through mw22. I rarely play fps games period now.
Mw19 and its strict sbmm. If that game wasn’t during the pandemic and didn’t look so good it would have been hated.
@@i_amChrisJxmesThat’s where I quit playing. Garbage game
@@DanKamYouKnowdidn't expect to see you here!!
Remember when you could just play a game without having to think about all of this bullshit?
You think about this while playing?
I hate how so many modern AAA games are made by psych majors who want to manipulate engagement and spending rather than just earning by making a good game.
@@codyo7384 I don’t play it.
@@cobaltcardsgaming5982 I concur. I get Activision is a business and at the end of the day all businesses need to make money, but their excessive greed has forced too many poor game designs on these devs and they're actively destroying the sense of community that CoD had in its glory days.
@@cobaltcardsgaming5982 its made by greedy corporate executives who hire psych majors who need a job.
I requested the data 10 minutes after you released that initial video. I still have not received it. Can’t wait to send it to you. Thank you for everything you do for the community. This is really awesome work!
Same
Where do u go to rewuest it?
Same
Where did you go to request it?
Man, I really wish there was a competitor to call of duty
Try to expand to other games.
Battlefield players had to do this a while ago, and some like myself found temporal refuge in CoD 2019 and Warzone.
Now I feel at home playing The Finals, developped by the same people from BF3-BF4 and Mirrors Edge. Even some cosmetics are actually worth it both in price an appearance
RIP XDefiant
@reg1990
Xdef was not a cod competitor.
@@kunimitsune177xdefiant was created with the intention of being a cod competitor
marvel
I remember playing bo3 domination and running into extremely casual people one game and doom members another game, never bothered me cause you can get slammed one lobby and dominate another lobby, that’s what made the game FUN!
agreed. that variety kept every lobby fun and kept me addicted. there has been nothing like bo3
You could also use when you were getting better
@@Shotgun-qv6xn bo3 happened 10
Years ago. The landscape of gaming has completely changed. Make sure u mention that part
@@Shotgun-qv6xn thats all you people know how to do is complain, moan, victimize yourselves and look back into the past with rose tinted glasses
@@Shotgun-qv6xn every cod felt like that back then. It wasnt just bo3. And it was because cod was at an earlier stage in its life
In Soviet Activision, if the product is not free, you still are the product
Thats just capitalism as a whole
In Soviet Activision the game plays you.
@@tylerhill40 😂😂😂
That's a huge issue like you said.. A player going negative and having a higher skill rating but feeling like they're awful at the game. Versus an average dude who goes off vs a bad lobby and has a lower skill rating and feels like they're the best. A bad player logging on usually has an easier time winning a game than an above avg player and that's not a sustainable model.
It doesn't work that way mate.good players know that they are on difficult lobbies or easy lobbies. You can't go negative and be a good player . A good player means that you are positive most of the times and you are top of the leaderboard.
I have 2 kd ,I have nukes etc I don't manipulate anything I just get on and play and I play the objective consistently.
@@elg7365 ur literally the reason why they get away with this. You don't even understand what's happening and arguing against an idea with reasoning that just confirms it.
I believe that your implying that having a negative skill rating would indicate a bad in game experience. I would not get too hung up on this idea as it may not be true. Your game experience may great, but your skill level shows as negative. A great example of this outside of video games is in Chess. Magnus Carlsen has stated previously that his chess skill level is declining, but its declining because the other players are not good enough. And in fact its such an issue he has chosen to not defend his World Chess Champion title. Simply put it does not matter if Magnus Carlson wins or losses his skill level will decrease because none of his opponents are skilled high enough. Its possible that something similar is occurring with these negative skill values that you are seeing and the in game experience may not be as bad as it would imply.
@@elg7365 I have a 1.8 KD and a 3 win/loss..
Winning means nothing anyways since there's no rewards for winning
They can never disclose the “skill” rating because “skill” is a misnomer for what they’re really doing.
SBMM, I ignored it, but now i see it! One game i go good with my team cant pull over 4 kills (SnD only btw), next game i got japanese prestige 10 all PC on other team with my 78ping because the game decides to search 190+ping after a good game whenever i search and again and again.... like it wants me to suffer.
Crossplay is always off! SICK & TIRED of PC cheaters!
@@Beautyofanime1 just keep playing it. It'll get better 🤣
@@Beautyofanime1pc cheaters? Every console has built in aim-hacks gtfo
@@RedheadReff I'll bet most of the PC players who discredit controller players by comparing aim assist to aimbot, probably would still lose to a good player with it turned off. Chances are, if they can beat you with it on, they'll still beat you with it off.
I’ve been following along these past few weeks, but Seriously, this is so scummy. You could have told me this was a video on ranked play and I wouldn’t have bat an eye. The fact that so much goes in to public matches is just gross. Mainly because it’s a game I used to love, and still do to an extent, being so manipulative with me. It’s like I’m in an abusive relationship and I’m just now seeing things for how they really are.
That's exactly how I've described my feelings towards Activision: like you're in an abusive relationship. On the one hand, we've grown up loving this series; on the other hand, we've become nothing more than pawns to be manipulated for the purposes of increasing Activision's returns to their shareholders. Apparently, in their zeal to go public and make the big bucks, they've forgotten who the games were originally made for. Therefore, that's why I tell everybody:
#UninstallCoD
#BoycottCallofDuty
#BoycottWarzone
#BoycottCoD
The fact that it took this long for someone to find out how to get access to our data is kinda crazy
^^^ THIS
I doubt Activision would show the average lobby skill rating at the start of a map because if they did people would lobby shop looking for the lowest average skill rating they can find. However, it might be interesting if they showed it at the end of the map with a comparison with the player's skill rating. This would allow a player to see how they did against the average e.g. did they do well against a lobby with an average higher than their own or did they perform badly against a lobby with an average skill rating lower than the player's.
I lobby surfed last night. Found a lobby where i dropped 100 kills. I dont blame people who do that. Results in more fun.
Reverse boosting already has that effect it’s just more powerful but less convenient
@@ChrisDaAce27 More fun for whom?
That would be great, Id love to know if the games I get absolutely thumped in are because its put me in a god lobby or I wasn't paying attention in and it was actually average.
The reason why they don’t want us to see our skill rating is because it’s not a real number. It varies based on the lobbies you are in and not your overall skill. What I’m interested to see is if you buy skins, does it impact your lobbies? This is a more important test as it will either confirm or deny the theory that spending money equates to easier lobbies.
that is very easy to prove by people buying things, I can tell you I bought my first skin ever and the lobbies were not easier so, no, it doesn't affect your skill rating
@@Yuuki_Asunalmaooo “I bought something and it wasn’t easier, therefore it never is.” This is called anecdotal evidence. Not fact.
Used to work that way back in mw2019, buy something from shop and it was easy ppl to kill. They really wanted me to show off the new stuff in the shop.
Correct. It's not a stable number that will predictably go up or down a bit depending on how "well" you've done past 5 matches or whatever (like your rank in Ranked Play would). It's just relative to your lobby in last game - if you get matched to a skilled lobby avg score +300 and you're at -400... your score will go up at end of match *even if you get zero kills* and get like 200 score total.
For BO6 mine varies wildly from +120 to -600, often within a span of a few games (though on average it's around -300).
@@Yuuki_Asuna really depends from my experience. CW - MW22, buying a bundle and playing a match after felt incredibly sweaty compared to the matches before. MW23 on the other hand, did the opposite for me tbh. Didn't really buy too many bundles on MW23, but after purchasing a few (especially the Darryl skin) my lobbies have just been nothing but complete bot lobbies, with maybe 1 or 2 other players actually being able to do decent.
You're a proper treasure, Ace. Observation and analysis without presumption or hyperbole. Someone whose goal is absolutely the acquisition and sharing of knowledge, and not just the view count. You have my utmost respect and admiration. All power to you, sir x
I'm actually glad that you would actually go out of your to study this. That is definitely why your 1 of the best call of duty youtubers. Good information that is well researched instead of assuming things and just seeing everything in the negatives like blame the truth or Nero does. I love your content.❤️❤️❤️ and I will be happy when your gonna break down the lmgs in your weapon guides
I'm getting "We've encountered an error. Please try again." when I tried requesting my personal info from Activision.
You need to log in with linked accounts like psn/steam/battlenet along with Activision
@@rami9225 Thanks
you're by far the most empirical content creator in this community. I don't even play bo6 but your videos are so engaging and thorough i cant help but watch
Asked for the Data one or two days after your video on it and still nothing in sight, but will share this Data with you so it can help you decorticate a bit all this information!
Very nice from you as always, thanks!
I haven’t played COD for two years and I’m still enthralled watching your videos. You’re doing some great content. I’m hoping COD gets to a game that I want to play again, but my hopes aren’t high for it.
Hey Ace, just be aware that one issue you might have with the data coming in is people that play with friends. It could have a similar effect to the 2 boxing players data and skew the lobby data and overall skill rating of the player relative to their true K/D. Also, I suspect your recent W/L is a big component into what your lobby skill rating is going to be. It seems like your are not allowed to win 3 games in a row in modern COD without the 4th game getting totally stomped by high skill rating players.
You get 3 game streaks? LoL
Exactly why I no longer care about W/L or K/D. My K/D is 1.8 but my W/L is 0.2. I'm over it and won't be touching COD again.
@ yes I back out all the time to skew SBMM in my favor. If it gives me a crappy match I instantly back out. I play the ones that are fun and competitive but I’m not playing when people are smashing me because the system said it was time for it
@@emwolsi leave at 198 on dom and 70 in tdm
I don’t play COD anymore but I do find this really interesting… my skill PLUMMETED after MW2019. To a degree that made me *so* confused as to what happened between games…My experience between 2019, and II, and III was night and day. The only thing I could think of was either some tweak to the damage values or the SBMM system that I wasn’t privy to… and the data is leaning towards the latter.
I'm glad my 2-box data was interesting - super excited to see what you find once you're able to collect all of this data!
Regardless of what people feel about 2 boxing, your data feels like it holds some real sigfingance in this conversation. It was really interesting.
2 box ng is for weak cowards. No 2 ways about it
To be a coward in a video game is just embarrassing
Have to pick on weak players thats the only way u can feel good about yourself LMAO
@@JfkSush I decided that I didn't want an algorithm manufacturing my experience in the game, sorry that upsets you!
Have not got mine yet, but i can share when i do.
For me its all about finding out how it looks the 3 first days after starting a new game, or after returning after a long break or after buying bundle/battle pass, compared the the days after.
Im also wondering about early warzone 1, as i played dual sniper and how that affects the skill ratio, cause my k/d should not be dramatic high due to me beeing that one guy dropping on loadout 10 times with zero care, cause i want to play with my loadout.
make sure you do a regression on skill and percentage of time moving. would love to see if the game favors rushers or campers
I am willing to bet on the game favoring camping. My guess is that more time moving increases your skill rating giving you sweatier lobbies.
I would love to see that data too
@shari0nplaying slow or methodically is generally better for a good K/D than playing fast and being constantly rushing around to new places (even though streamers will have you think otherwise) So I’m not sure that will be the case
@@emwols that may be true. the annoying thing is that no one wants to play like that
@@blikthepro972 I play like that when defending an objective or getting close to higher streaks. Otherwise yes I totally agree
Making general observations and initial assessments of potential trends IS scientific. This is the fuck around stage of the scientific method.
It's crazy that pubs are now essentially ranked without being able to see your actual rank. And they wonder why COD is bleeding player numbers.
Sincerely agree. I don't mind a ranked system, but not knowing the level of your opponents is just aggravating. Just give us a rank.
Really insightful analysis! I think there are some fascinating opportunities to dig deeper into the temporal aspects of this data that weren't covered. Since we have timestamp data for each match, we could analyse skill rating volatility across different times of day and days of the week. This could reveal whether SBMM behaves differently during peak vs off-peak hours when player pools are different sizes.
Additionally, I'd suggest implementing a time-series decomposition to separate the 'roller coaster' effect into its trend, seasonal, and residual components. This could help quantify how much of the skill rating variation is systematic vs random. Using something like an autocorrelation function (ACF) could also reveal if there are any consistent patterns in how long it takes for skill ratings to cycle between peaks and troughs.
For the correlation analysis between KD ratio and skill rating, I'd recommend using Spearman's rank correlation instead of Pearson's, since the relationship appears non-linear at higher skill levels. You might also want to look at conditional probability distributions - i.e., given a player's current skill rating, what's the probability distribution of their next match's rating? This could help characterise the 'rubber-banding' effect more precisely.
I've done similar analyses on other games' matchmaking systems, and one thing that often proves insightful is looking at the first derivative (rate of change) of skill ratings rather than just the absolute values. This can reveal whether the system adjusts ratings more aggressively after certain types of matches.
Can't wait to see what insights you can pull from this study.
Sent my data in. Hopefully I didn't mess up any formatting lol
Way to go, Ace! Very cool and interesting stuff!
Finally I got to request my data! I'm so exited to see what the data looks like considering I've been try-harding this game since mw2019. Just took 5 attempts to get the request to go through.
was it giving you an error too?
In the last CoD, I always played the s2 map pack, s3 map pack, s4 map pack. I found there was often seemingly minimal sbmm and I could regularly dominate with 3kd and 4kd. When I went into the regular general playlist, I didn't really enjoy the game at all.
What’s the point of ranked play modes if we are being ranked in casual play?
4:30. I know that had to suck. Not even 5 seconds in Double Agent. Also, love the info you are sharing, thank you.
after hopping on BF4 player run servers with no SBMM, you get a wide range of skill across the 32 player teams
Always love the videos brother ! Great job, keep up the good work!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Ran-snack definitely had no SBMM, I haven't played as much Cod in years as I did when that playlist was out, it genuinely felt like old cod and my EKIA/D for the prestiges I was doing it was up to a full point higher than in the other lobbies.
still don't have mine. did it the day of the first video on it.
Mine came in literally 45 mins ago, I submitted the request 3 hours after the initial video was posted
Still waiting myself. Fingers crossed will come soon be interesting to see it all
mine came 2 days ago, must be low on the list or something
Same
Same here, looked for updates and kept saying there was none. Now it says I've never requested anything lol
Hey Ace, if I could make a request, when you do the video can you take a look how K/D ratio correlates with W/L ratio? It seemed when I first started that everyone who was above a 1.0 K/D had a negative W/L, and a lot of people with a negative K/D had a positive W/L. Would be interesting to see if that is true when you get the data. Thanks for taking the time to do work on all this skill rating stuff and keeping the community informed.
That’s mostly a mindset people have , they value a win or a high kdr. My w/l is only in the .70 range but my kdr is 3x that.
I could pretty much guarantee that K/D ratio and W/L ratio have an inverse correlation amongst the community. And it’s not because Activision/COD is conspiring against “good” players with high K/D. It’s because people that value K/D over all else pretty much screw over their objective playing teammates every match by not making any effort whatsoever to try and contribute to winning the match and thus the low W/L.
I'm glad K/D isn't the most important because my K/D is only 1.4, but I'm an objective player and I play Ranked. I die a lot just trying to capture points because teammates won't.
My scrub ass should be useful as my skill rating varied from -500 to -200. I've also been no lifing BO6 so I'm at Prestige Master, so there's a good sample size, and I do have a sub 1 KD while mostly playing Domination, so score per minute vs k/d will be easy to tell. I'm almost certainly bottom 5%, if not 1%, of your regular viewers, so you know, still coping about that, but happy to help.
I’m in the exact same boat as you, prestige mater, play dom/hard point and k/d is around 1 and my skill rating floats around -200 to -500 so I would what makes playing obj so weak
I havent received mine yet and I requested it immediately when you posted the video about how to do so. Hopefully soon!
Negative skill rating is crazy 😭
I requested my data. I will send it over once I get it. I will say however as someone that works with data fairly frequently for my IRL job this data is mostly useless... but it will be interesting to see what you come up with.
A) You need to understand how the values were calculated. Without this knowledge it makes it very difficult if not impossible to be able to make any inferences from the data being viewed. B) Has said calculation changed over the release of the game? I would say its highly likely that the method used to calculate the values you are looking at has changed overtime. Likely has changed, multiple times, since the launch of the most recent version of the game. C) You need to have some sort of known baseline to compare the data against. You may be able to achieve this by having people share there data with you, but its unlikely that you will be able to collect enough data samples. Plus points A and B are still a problem. D) Data manipulation. Even if you can solve for points A, B, and C you than have to deal with the possibility that the data you have received has been manipulated. And I would define manipulation here as some sort of user exploitation, cheating, or any other known/unknown factor that has skewed the data. Honestly this is likely a significant problem even for Activision to overcome and you will have zero chance of being able to overcome this.
I could go on, but I feel this drives the point home... And I suspect that the reason why we are not provided access to a skill ratting of sorts in the game directly is likely due to some of these factors mentioned above along with a number of other reasons. And really has nothing to do with Activision hiding anything.
I hope CDL pros share their data that would be interesting to compare against low and average players.
I just received my data yesterday. I am a Iridescent MP players and the skill rating on my ranked game went as high as 700 skill rating.
It looks like SBMM (for B06 at least) wants you to average 0.
When you do well it records that you have a positive skill value and it increases difficulty to force you back to 0, but it ALWAYS overcorrects which sends you negative, and that makes everything easier. I have a wild rollercoaster where I keep peaking at 300, then it crashes me down to -100 to -200 before working back up to 300.
I do also need to consider that I've been camo grinding and I don't do it "in order" so I'll randomly work on a launcher, pistol, or melee until I get board then swap to an AR or SMG.
But it feels and looks to me like it wants to force people into the 0 range, and it looks like once you get above a certain skill it can't push down (so ace for instance keeps getting pushed to the 200 range).
Just my thoughts.
Also there is ranked mode for skill ratings and ranks, keep Casual, you know... Casual...
Unfortunately it seems like the ranks don’t mean anything since it’s all skill rating based, which defeats the whole purpose of ranked
@@HaidDaSalami1 Damn, I haven't played ranked, I just don't care for it, but it's sad to know that it's not properly implemented.
Yep, I’ve made an alt account this week. Played pubs until I got 50 wins, absolutely smashed it. Went into my first game of ranked and had to play against pretty good G3 /P3 players..
finally got my data as well, 1.4ish kd player with between 500-700 skill rating for most games. After a small break it reset to around 250 ish.
No more sneak dissing ACE 🗣️
Wdym
Thats why i loved playing infinite warfare because you see the kd of the lobby before going in game
I would provide my data - but keep getting "We've encountered an error. Please try again."
Literally couldn’t be happier I gave up cod 1.5 years ago. Played for over a decade. Seriously guys, you gotta break away and find a better use of your time. I wish I had used that time to acquire real life skills and invest in relationships with other people in real life.
One huge problem that needs fixed is the backwards reticle movement they launched with mw2. All my OG friends stopped playing because of it. 12 years of brain training and muscle memory down the drain and 3 years later I still cannot learn this backwards mechanic. Perhaps this was done deliberately in order to give the newbs an advantage over us COD vets. However the ill advised move backfired and caused my 20+ crew to literally quit. They want returning players to stay when verdansk launches they need to revert the reticle mechanic back to 2019 status or COD will loose the OG base forever.
This skill rating seems to work similarly to BF3/4 skill rating. Based on who you kill and how many points you get.
More then seven words for support and the algorithm ❤
Camping away from objectives doesn’t affect your skill level unless you do extremely bad I think.
There’s a stat that says “percentage of time moving” my lowest were 23% & 32% where I’ve went 49-7 & 30-10. Skill ratings for those were 310 & 400.
These games were like months ago way before BO6 even came out in MW3.
guy slides in kind of slow, ace shoots him with hand cannon, face slams into wall at 200 mph
Remember when sbmm was up to the players by staying or leaving the lobby after each game
I'm not the young guy I once was, but I've been a crimson ranked player for 3 years in a row now. The fact that my KDR (or even worse, elims) has hovered around 1.4 in the modern era despite it frequently being in the 2.5 to 4.5 range during the golden age of COD is extremely concerning. Public matches should absolutely not be setup this way on the roller coaster scale, it's terrible. I quit so many games now and just don't care about my win record at all. More often than not, I just close the game altogether when I feel the SBMM deciding I have to lose in PUBLIC MATCHES. Oh btw, can't play ranked anymore because the cheating is 90% of matches and Activision/TreyArch or whoever is in charge just does not care at all. Overwatch is getting stomped by Marvel Rivals right now and I really wish there was a franchise to stomp COD.
That rollercoaster in some peoples graphs definitely mirrors how it feels to play even though I watch this Channel I'd say I'm still Average maybe slightly below Average (usually stay around a 1.0 on but W/L and K/D though with BO6 my Domination W/L is like a 3.something) and it feels like sometimes I'll be cruising along doing pretty good like Top 3 players on my team and then all the sudden I'll just have like 5 games in a row where I'll just get destroyed and have players doing crazy movement and playing great and then it'll go back to where I'm doing good again
I don't really mind though I'm not a Competitive person I'll try my best but if I'm on a losing streak I'll just tell the other Team GGs and move on I also tend to just want to have fun so I'll go for 360 trick shots even though I never get them, or dive over every corner just to have fun even if it gets me killed
Or they were doing camo challenges you can't know
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth
I have an idea, what if we could get as many people in the community to put their average skill rating over the lifecycle of the game in their clan tag? If it catches on, it could be a game wide thing.
This is too much work to find out for the average gamer
I suspect we would all end up getting banned for breaking some TOS clause or something.
Still waiting for my data - it’s been nearly 2 weeks .. (I’m in Aust if that matters)
Will send through once I have it though 🤝
I’m still waiting for mine, but VERY CURIOUS. I’m above average and went sweaty in MW19/22 but also did mastery camos. But in MW23 and BO6 I was tired of manipulation and stopped trying. And even for awhile while doing the melee/launcher weapons in BO6… I would feed enemies to give them THEIR headshots since I know the pain and again fed up with manipulative gameplay.
Rolling averages explains a lot of my experiences. I’ll start every play session with just kinda average like pretty decent match. The lobby is pretty sweaty but not insane. I’m “okay”. I’ll do that for 3/4 games then from there I won’t struggle. That’s an understatement! Like I’ll be going like 11-25 for like 3-4 games straight and this is when I fully expect to be essentially in 2 box esque lobbies for how poorly I’ve been doing. That’s not the case though. I’ll be put back into those lobbies where every gunfight is tight and kinda sweaty but I just perform to my average 25-13 perhaps 🤷🏻♂️ that will last for about 3-4 games and I fully expect to be thrown back into a CDL tourney but then for no reason whatsoever I’ll be thrown into the biggest bot lobby ever. Like so much so it’s almost as if I 2 boxed pre patch. That will last for 2 games then I’ll be thrown into not bot lobbies not “my skill” lobbies and not lobbies where I’m going double negative but “even lobbies” like where I’m going 20-20 for 3/4 games.
I have a couple of huge negative dips like -120. I also am seeing the roller coaster effect. Still sorting through my data but BO6 looks like a low of ~90, high of ~300, average ~180. (This isn’t a calculation btw just by memory). MWIII and II were more like 420 high, 350 average, 200 low.
Step by step, we will solve this. I do suspect Activision is going to purposefully obfuscate things to make it more difficult but it's going to get exposed sooner or later
My skill rating varied between -474 and +420, I have a 2 e/d and 1.5 w/l across maybe 8-9 prestiges of MP. With a score per minute of I think 800-900
The difference in skill ratings between games could be caused by the age of the games. If the way changes in your rating are determined after each game result and a net increase when averaged across the entire lobby, the average skill rating of the player base will increase over time. You also should consider that players who cared to send their data for older games may have done so because they put a lot of time into those games, and will have a higher skill rating. You are not necessarily getting an unbiased sample of players.
The data you showed regarding two-boxing also makes me think the devs implemented a system similar to Elo in chess. It makes sense for them to do so because Elo is a well-established system that removes a lot of the guesswork. With this system, a death or a loss against a player with a lower rating than you will result in a much bigger drop in skill level than if you were killed by a player with a higher rating than you, so you tend to be pushed back to a point where you are a similar skill level and rating to those you play against.
The roller coaster effect could be created pretty easily by delaying the effects that games have on your skill rating. If a good game doesn't affect your rating until a few more games have passed, then you are allowed to do very well or very poorly for several games in a row before the sbmm actually corrects where your skill level should be. For example, if you start with a rating of 100 and do well, you keep your 100 rating. Then after you have done well for 5 or so games, your rating starts to climb to 200 or 300 and you do poorly, but the games where you do poorly will not cause your skill rating to drop until several games in the future. This would cause your skill rating to continue climbing temporarily, even if you are doing very poorly.
More clearly
start at a low rating -> do well for several games -> rating starts you go up -> you do worse, but your rating keeps going up for a few games -> you have done poorly for several matches -> rating starts going down -> you do better, but your rating keeps going down -> you are at a low rating and do well
Then the cycle repeats.
This is actually how all second order systems work. This is a great video about second order systems if you want to see more. th-cam.com/video/O85OWBJ2ayo/w-d-xo.html
You know even if they want to keep the skill value hidden if they introduced something like leagues (C grade B grade A, AA, AAA) like they do with sport with anything A+ being professional level ...if they had something like that to just give you a general idea of your own progression
I’ll happily send my skill data when I get it… if I ever get it. What I have gotten is several emails about the squid games skins available for purchase.
Ace can you figure out why loads of people playing before the update got shadow banned immediately after it went live??
I’m still waiting on mine. But I’ll send it to you as soon as I get it. I only play resurgence though so not sure if that will affect your data analysis.
@thexclusiveace it might be useful to compare someone's sr vs lobby data from the previous cod titles that allowed that info to be seen (wzstats, etc). That might give you some insight into the sr vs lobby strength relationship
Sent it, hope it helps! Thanks for the work and effort spent!
ayyyyy thats my graph with the red line lets goooooo
you mentioned that LTMs don’t affect skill rating but what about 10v10 or stuff like face off mosh pits? there’s apparently a general trend where 10v10 apparently has a “lower SBMM” factor
Im interested in helping out for sure! I think a useful stat would probably be your position in the match - would it be helpful if I tracked mine over the next while and submitted this as well?
Thank you for the update man
Yeah, that's been my takeaway for awhile. There should be a small amount of SBMM but for casual playlists, don't have super thick algorithms. It's literally what made me stop playing Cod.
I'm glad now that people can see what all the "haters," cuz that's apparently what I've become, have been saying for years. If there was transparency and I could see my skill rating, I don't think I'd complain, but if you're going to make casual the new ranked and not tell me, I'm not going to stick around. It sucks. It's a bad feeling system.
They probably use an ELO style system for the skill ratings.
Thanks Ace, good video 👍
I get on penathalon and go absolutely crazy. I have to have like a 5.0 KD in that game mode.
I don't think the LTMs impact your stats or skill level at all. The squid game modes don't count in your combat record and won't impact your W/L or E/D ratio. They don't even show up as your last played match.
I thought about getting my data but then questioned, what exactly would be the point? Will the game get better? NO. Will cheating get lower? No. Will SBMM get toned? Nope... I appreciate people like ACE doing this sort of research, but honestly nothing will change unless you hit ACTI wallet. Become one of the statistics that have abandoned the game, and then and only then, will we start seeing a measurable change to the way they do things.
I could be wrong, but didn’t one of the white papers confirm that even ranked play is based on your skill rating, not just your rank?
When I first started playing ranked mp this year with some of my sweaty friends, the bronze lobbies were sweaty af. But when I queued with an irl friend who was gold (but not as good at the game) and his other gold buddies, lobbies were much easier.
The statistic I'd really like to see is unachievable at this point. I would like to see what the overall feel and acceptance of the game would be to players without all the analysis/exposure/etc. Like, what would we really be thinking if we all just played the game? The "control" of the experiment, if you will. As a software developer (not games), I do appreciate all that has come to light, and I'm curious about it all and enjoy the analysis. I try not to think about any of this when I'm playing though. It will either be fun or not, and if it is not, I will stop playing.
I wonder if playing exclusively hardcore affects the skill rating.
there's a new call of shame video exposing skill based damage
5:03 What's 2-Boxing?
9:51 I might have a decent skill level though even if I feel I fell off a bit at COD
11:00 11:25 11:40 11:48
Wasnt there a thing a while back that if you bought something for $ they would put you in a lobby youd dominate with people who used similar guns to you to show off the skin so the guy who just got his ass beat would see the skin in the kill cam and youd be a beast for a few games with your shiny new skin? wasn't that a patent or something?
There was a patent for this but I haven't seen any solid evidence of it being implemented in the game. I wouldn't be too surprised to see this one active but I'm not interested in buying a ton of bundles to test this. One big thing to know about patents is the vast majority of patented ideas will never actually make it to market so I know a lot of people will jump on the existence of a patent as confirmation that the ideas in the patent are in use but we really don't know unless they reveal it officially or unless someone manages to prove it with a proper study (which is difficult to do wince we can't see lobby skill data).
Skill should be shown after the match. Stops players "shopping around" for easy lobbies at the start but lets you know if you lost legit or got put with players outside your wheelhouse
Create your own video game and include a skill
Rating if thats what you see fit.stop trying to tell a billion dollar compny how they should make their game you sound dumb and clueless. Ur literally a nobody
You have zero experience making video games. You also arent in charge of a multi billion dollar company. So just shut ur mouth and stop trying to suggest what “should be in the fame” thats the reason why the cod community is the dumpster fire it is today because theres thousands of people justnlike
You who really believe their opinion matters
if activision allowed players to see the overall skill rating in public lobbies, then I imagine people would just start backing out if they see a level that they consider too high for them. And activision will never allow that.
Yep. But we should be able to see our own skill-rating at minimum.
People are already quitting in droves. If anything they may feel challenged to do better.
I imagine they would let you see you're overall skill in your personal stats. Lobby ratings could be displayed after the fact in a recent stats area.
@@spartanx169x Nobody cares about how they do or how much their challenged its casual people are there to fuck around with friends and grind camos. This a system that belongs in ranked/competitive games.
@@MC_605 You may be right, you may be completely wrong. Unless you have a source that says otherwise. Other games(not COD) had this information and its always beneficial to the player to be able to see it.
There was definitely no SBMM in ransack and I wish they would bring it back
I'm so confused on how he died at 7:18 (I skipped this COD) FYI
the gun he was using can explode random in this game mode
the handcannon
It’s called Roulette, so it’s like playing Russian Roulette. You keep pulling the trigger, but there is a chance you take yourself out
doesnt condone two boxing but condones the COD alhgorithm
The 'Pentathathon' Gamemode in BO6 also does not contribute to your k/d or w/l stats. Not sure why no one has mentioned this the entire time. I like it but I'm not going to play it if they don't record my stats lmao.
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How about adding input as factor aswell? Or have you noticed any difference?
This is the most frustrating information release ever. Activision was gaslighting us all for years making Ace and Driftor run full investigations to determine that there was in fact SBMM. Then as soon as they can’t even deny it anymore they just switch the argument and say it’s better for everyone if we have it. Ping is not king. I have 20ms of latency on west region and my lobbies consistently have 70+ping . I’m sorry everyone can ignore me this has just made me schizo